Call of Duty 4: Larger burden on Sony PS3 than Xbox 360

Games like Call of Duty 4 run at a framerate of 60 frames per second on both systems. But Call of Duty 4 is a game that experienced technical problems with various bottlenecks due to the varying levels of action that occur on the screen. The game was originally designed to run at 60 frames per second at 720p, but it caused drops in the framerate.

The proof of this is the fact that Call of Duty 4 runs at a resolution of only 640p on both the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. This may be "equal" in terms of what is displayed on the screen, but the FACT is that Call of Duty 4 is putting a much larger burden on the PS3 than it is the Xbox 360.

Confirmation of this can be seen in the large number of games that "run smoothly at 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360, but struggle to run at 30 frames per second on the Playstation 3." That was a quote from Gamespot.

It's simple math: The Xbox 360 can display approximately 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to 275,000,000 polygons per second for the Playstation 3.

[OgTheClever]

flamesuits at the ready.

[Captain Tuttle]

This should be epic.

Drinks are on me!

[Rikitatsu]

a 360 game as good looking as Uncharted,MGS4, GT5P !

[MJY2K]

That's what I was thinking.

Fine, we all know about most multiplats running better on the 360 but why do many PS3 exclusives look/run so much better?

[kazuma]

flamesuit on!

[MrWonderful]

in the words of the human tourch "Flame On"

[zapass]

this is so full of sh!t...
reported.

[sonarus]

There is no need to flame. This article is stupid. Author is talking out of his ass. This could be true in the days of madden running at 30fps on PS3 but not anymore. PS3 had rocky start with development, devs are catching up. The fact that devs had a full yr with the 360 before PS3 and also the fact that MSoft has better tools is the real reason for this. Not some BS imaginary numbers stated as fact.

Everytime they brought out a game the PS3 couldn't run it has been proven wrong.

[chasuk08]

I honestly dont care about this article, and im not concerned about an extra 30 frames the xbox has when our eyes can barely recognise them. This article is the same as the rest of them trying to put down the PS3, and its not working.

[SixTwoTwo]

Let the products speak for themselves. Show me a 360 game that looks as good as Heavenly Sword or Uncharted or MGS4 or GT5P. Look at Killzone 2 on the horizon. I can't believe people are still able to fool themselves like this.

[TayTayShaniqua]

"I can't believe people are still able to fool themselves like this. "

There are still people who sit out in console forums who are still trying to convince the world that 'teh Dreamcast was more powerful than teh PS2'.

Most of the Dreamcast fanbase latched on to the Xbox when the system died and are still spouting the same garbage to this very day.

[TANOD]

Uncharted looks much better than Gears 1 and 2

http://www.n4g.com/ViewComI...

[mindedone]

I'm not disagreeing with what you said, I'm disagreeing with the Giant Wall of Text.

[CrazzyMan]

People SHOULD know, that nowdays SHADER operation are much MORE important, then polys count.

AND PS3 OWNS in That.

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RSX
5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU)
27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
68 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
364 GFLOPS ( ((27 FLOPS x 24 pixel pipelines) + (10 FLOPS x 8 vertex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
24 filtered and 32 unfiltered texture samples per clock
Maximum polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second (in HS RSX _alone_ 3MT = 90MT/s)

Xenos
2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, co-issued)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
48 billion shader operations per second theoretical maximum (2 ALU x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
240 GFLOPS (10 FLOPS x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
16 filtered and 16 unfiltered texture samples per clock
Maximum polygon count: 500 million triangles per second (in DR _with cpu_ only 4MT per frame with 30fps = ~120MT/s, 4 times less)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
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Taken from beyond3d:

In [b]Lost Planet[/b], each character is 10-20K polys. A VS robot is 30-40K polys. A background is about 500K. With shadows and other hidden rendering cost, it's about [b]3 million[/b] polys per frame.

Different platforms require different care, would not be surprised if ppl working on 360 and suddenly dropping their datasets onto RSX would not observe good numbers (and viceversa)
Now..I can't see how RSX, if used in the right way, should be so limited at vertex processing: in HS we easily render 2-2.5 MTriangles per frame at 30 fps without being VS limited and without making any use of CELL to speed up vertex shading and I know for sure that being more clever we could even go faster..[b](just using the GPU)[/b]

The numbers quoted about HS are slighty wrong..cause a few days a go I realized there's a bug in the code that computes the triangle count: in some cases it's more close to [b]3M triangles[/b] per frame mark than 2M.

Regarding cpu, yes its totally different arguments. The 360's is a very standard setup, a bunch of cores that can all see main memory. The advantage to this is that lots of thread coded written over the years can be ported to it easily. For example, Valve (the Half Life guys) are writing an entirely threaded engine for the PC. When it's done, porting it to the 360 will be easy. How about porting it to the PS3? Nope, won't work, it's a totally different setup. The PS3's main core is basically the same, but its spu's can't see main memory. Each one has 256k that it can work with, so you need to rewrite your code to pack things into 256k chunks, feed it to the spu's to process it, then copy it all back to main memory. In other words, you've gotta rewrite your code.

Now before I get jumped on here let me briefly mention the downsides. The 360's cpu setup is painfully easy to code for. But, they really aren't all that fast. Worse yet, all three cores use the same memory controller so the three cores are not three times the power of the one core on the PS3 due to some overhead. The PS3's spu's on the other hand are monstrously fast. You need to setup your data correctly to work with them, but once thats done then yes, [b]the 360's cpu setup is crap compared to fully working spu's.[/b] I say fully working because most current games out there barely even touch on them, it will take time to re-write everything. I haven't done spu coding....yet.

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MOST games use 90-180 mln. polys per second, since using more you won`t have stable framerate.

300 mln. polys per second is ENOUGH for this gen.
That is 10 mln. with 30fps or 5 mln. with 60fps. And again, Lost Planet only 3 mln. with 30fps.

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"The game was originally designed to run at 60 frames per second at 720p, but it caused drops in the framerate.

The proof of this is the fact that Call of Duty 4 runs at a resolution of only 640p on both the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3."
LoLz, then x360 version should be run at 720p IF it would depend ONLY on polys count. BUT it depend also on PROCESSING power, where x360 is WEAK.

Those 500mln. are theoretical and have NO use.

[RememberThe357]

Well now I feel educated!

[CrazzyMan]

Fanboys of`course will stay in DENIAL, but that won`t change how things are now:

Uncharted and MGS4 rules graphically in 3rd person action games.
GT5P rules graphically in racing games.
Naruto Storm rules graphically in fighting games based on anime.
FFXIII will show it`s greatness during next several months in JRPGs.
KZ2 will own graphically in FPS on consoles.
I could continue, but you people just will see it with your own eyes, when time will come. =)

[SixTwoTwo]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a 360 game that looks as good as the PS3 exclusives I named above (1.9). Anybody going to step up?

[ChampIDC]

I'm still waiting for 360 and PS3 fanboys to just get along...

[Dannagar]

@Rikitatsu

I'm not sure what is so impressive about Uncharted. I bought it because Playstation 3 users on N4G are constantly bragging about it. It isn't bad but visually, It has an inconsistent frame rate, it has constant screen tearing. As far as what the PS3 hardware is doing in Uncharted, it's similar to Kameo with all the foliage, water effect, normal mapping on the rocks and lighting FX. Only Kameo doesn't have the problems of Uncharted. Kameo Looks better than Uncharted and it isn't even the best looking Xbox 360 game.

Forza 2 is better that Gran Turismo 5: Prologue in ever aspect (Physics and car damage). Metal Gear Solid 4 is impressive but it's linear and it's only for Metal Gear fans.

[Dark General]

http://www.gamepro.com/micr... Kameo

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje... Uncharted.

As for MGS4 being linear please play the game first. MGS3 and MGS2 was linear MGS4 however is not.

[Dannagar]

Half the pictures of Kameo on IGN/Gamespot are from the Xbox version or GameCube. The time of day makes a difference in Kameo's look. I have played Metal Gear Solid 4, if the Playstation 3 kept track of games I've played (for others to view like Xbox Live), you'd see that. I didn't like it and what I played was linear.

http://www.armchairempire.c...

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

[SixTwoTwo]

How can you compare Uncharted with Cameo??? I'll give you credit for being original with that one though lol. And MGS 4 linear? The game gives you two choices. Shoot your way through. Or sneak your way through. If thats linear then what isn't?

[SL1M DADDY]

Try and not post up flame bait like this. I know it's a nice thought to have an article reach 1000° but when you post up trash like this it makes you look pretty sad.

And involving myself in the argument I will add... How did Kojima work his magic and get MGS4 to run so well on the oh-so crippled PS3?

Gee... Maybe it's not that PS3 that is so crippled after all.

[Dark General]

Some of the screenshots may be from the gamecube and xbox versions of the game but the one i linked to is not. look at the button commands on the screen Rt and Lt. Though the twilight time shot you linked to does look better. But certainly not better than Uncharted in my opinion (and i don't even like Uncharted's art direction much). As for MGS4 being Linear i played through the game twice now i can definitely tell you for sure it's not linear. Try going up a different street or looking at your surroundings for alternate ways because they are definitely there.

@SixTwoTwo: You must have gotten my comment mixed up. I was saying that MGS4 is NOT Linear and that Uncharted looks better than Kameo. You might want to reread what i typed out above.

[fusionboxer]

This guy started listing a whole host of statements with the only support/source being gamespot.

I may be wrong, but I can't call that a totally reliable source. The fact of the matter is that developers are coming out and proving this article wrong with their astonishment of the ps3's cell.

When resistance 1 came out Insomniac said the cell processors allowed them to construct more things on screen at once then any other platform to date. By assigning specific tasks to one of 6 usable cores, The physics, animations, shaders, and AI could each work in tandem to provide super smooth gameplay and action on screen without even the slightest bit of lag.

Despite what the haters say about Resistance 1, later levels had you and 50 of your friendly soldiers going at it in a war against literally hundreds of chimera all acting differently according to the battle. It was impressive no doubt and really built up to the climax of the game. All of it was running at 30fps, but it never dropped once.

Also I can't help, but see certain games come to mind that throw this article for a loop. Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran turismo, Resistance, Oblivion, uncharted, warhawk and even heavenly sword are some examples. Warhawk and resistance have ALOT going on at once with zero framerate drops, while oblivion runs smoother and streams faster on the ps3. And not to mention Uncharted and Heavenly swords brilliant textures.

So I don't know... I can't list a huge list of specs because it'd be pointless and go right over our heads, but the numbers he listed had very little to do with the games themselves other then visuals. He didn't list anything about the physics, AI, or anything really gameplay related other then the supposed framerate issues. And even then there are too many solid examples (not data spreadsheets) to prove this guy AND gamespot wrong (again).

[Isaac]

Dannagar you are so full of FAIL. There is no game on Xbox 360 looking as good as Uncharted, a 1st year game, funny you compare it to Kameo which looks like a Gamecube game with a few bells and whistles. Halo 3, a 2nd year FPS, did not manage to look considerably better than Resistance 1, a launch title, and it runs at sub-HD resolutions, even though it is First Party. Gears 2, a 3rd year game, barely looks better than Gears 1.

However, that does not surprise me, not even a little bit, considering it is made with Unreal Engine, something Epic is already done with, hell they were done with it when the generation started because that is the point of a Middleware engine, they have merely tweaked it.

And BTW, when Forza 2 looks or sells as good as the GT franchise, we will talk. After all, Gran Turismo is the professional simulator, and the reason it does not have car damage is because it has the support of industry professionals, not because it cant be done. Nobody outside the Xbox fanboy world knows what Forza is, everybody knows what Gran Turismo is, after all it sold the same as Grand Theft Auto 3 on PS2. Neither Halo 3 or 2 nor Gears can claim a cypher like that.

[Dannagar]

@Isaac

You don't know any better because you haven't played any better. I would be upset too if I only owned a Playstation 3. And If I only owned a Playstation 3, I'd probably try to make myself feel better by plugging my own system.

I own both system (Actually, all systems). If I want to enjoy PS3, I do. If I want to enjoy Xbox 360 I do. I just call it how I see it.

BTW, Forza 2 is the professional simulator and it out does Gran Turismo in ever aspect. Xbox 360 owners have had it more than a year (the full version). Playstation 3 owners have a $39.95 demo. I'm not stupid enough to buy it. By the time Gran Turismo 5 comes out, Xbox 360 owners will have Forza 3. You can make excuses as to why Gran Turismo is missing Feature and licenses that Forza has but all they are are excuses.

[OgTheClever]

i think this must be some kind of record.

[twoface]

If you do really own a PS3, you don't seem to want to enjoy it too much. If not, I don't think you would have said the comments you did - MGS4 being too linear and GT5P is a demo scam, all this in a thread about polygons. Well done!

[Dannagar]

@twoface
You can send me a friend invite over the PSN if you'd like. My user name is Dannagar (providing you have Firmware 2.4). If I thought the Playstation 3 was a top notch system, then you'd hear me praising it but I don't. I have a lot of issues with PS3.

I wasn't a fan of the Original Xbox (though I own it and about 20 games). I thought the Original Xbox had way too many Shooter and not enought diversity. To me, the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 switched places. The larger percentage of big budget PS3 games are Shooter (Resistance2, Killzone 2, Socom, Haze, Metal Gear, etc.) By all means, that isn't why I enjoyed the Playstation 2.

I think all the installing is Bull S#$T!. Even Demos have to be installed. You can download a demo off Xbox Live and you just play it without any kind of installation. The Playstation 3 firmware updates take me 3 hours and they happen often. Xbox Live updates are like a minute or so.

The games I'd like to see (on PS3) haven't even been announced yet. Playstation Network has a weak line up of Arcade style games. Hearing the same guys, talking about the same games everyday (since the PS3 has been released) is old.

Uncharted wasn't bad, it just wasn't anything (visually) I hadn't seen on the before. To hear fanboys praise it like it's something special gets under my skin. It's hardly the best looking game out there; BioShock looks better, so does Assassins Creed.

As for this practice Sony started of releasing partially finished games such as Gran Turismo 5 Prologe, WarHawk and Socom, I think that's crap too. What a great company Sony is for releasing Half finished games and charging $40 a pop.

All the things I'd hope (many years ago) would make it into the Gran Turismo series are now in Forza. So for me, the Playstation 3 isn't any good. Maybe at some point in time, they'll release some game I enjoy on PS3.

[twoface]

I don't think you got me correctly.
You have your gripes with PS3, and I have my issues with 360. Customer dissatisfaction is always a good starting point for product improvement.

But what's MGS4 being too linear to do with technical capabilities of PS3 to draw polygons?
What's GT being the number one racing simulator game even praised by professional racers, but being a worse simulator game in your opinion than Forza 2 got to do with PS3's capability to draw polygons?

[Dannagar]

@TwoFace

I'm trying to think of the most impressive polygon pushing game out and after much though, I think it's Dead Rising. What other games has 1000's and 1000's of fully detailed on screen Zombies/Enemy's at once (with no hint of slow down)?

However, Visuals, Resolution, frame rate, game play all come down to the resources, money, time, talent and heart invested in a game. It doesn't matter what the hardware stats are. It's not hardware that makes good games, it's good games that make good hardware.

[twoface]

I think we are getting a bit of zen here.
You can't look at the whole without looking at the one (i feel enlightened by myself).
These are the basic building blocks of gameplay.

And good games do not make good hardware. Sorry to bring this into the discussion, but no matter what Gears or Mass Effect did, 360 still remained an unstable piece of hardware.
But with good hardware, that adds as another basic building block to the overall equation in games creation.

To sum it up, everyone has their own opinion. That's why we are individuals and not whole. It's obvious that ours differ, so I'm gonna have to stop here before we compile a book which no one is interested in reading. Ciao

[Dannagar]

@twoface
The Playstation 2 wasn't that reliable. I was the weakest of the three last generation consoles. However, it was the best not because of fantastic hardware stats but because of spectacular games. Whats Good hardware without good games? I'm tired and going to bed. Take care - Dannagar

[twoface]

i think you forgot to mention the price, and when it got successful in relation to that.
Anyway, goodnite

[chewy317]

http://n4g.com/ps3/News-165...

COD4 Burden Story Is Fake

TheSixthAxis: "Apparently Daniel and his mate Mike Zoran don't really like the PS3, and spent all day Friday writing about 'cores' and 'fill-rates'.

But who's this - Mike Zoran - haven't we heard from that guy before? Oh, yeah, wasn't he the guy that was exposed as being a Microsoft 'fan' 2 years ago?"

[Tainted Gene]

From IGN.com

"Uncharted" 2007
9.0 Graphics
'There's no doubt the game looks great and that the use of in-game assets for the movies is seamless transition, but there's still a fair amount of screen tearing and texture pop in."

"Gears of War" 2006
10 Graphics
"The most beautiful game on the Xbox 360. Amazing attention to detail and vibrant, diverse environments make for a feast for the eyes, even on a standard-definition set."

1st year games for both PS3 and X360...................
Just to let u know

[Stryfeno1]

Damn, E3 is around the corner so what is up with this old news? I dont think anyone cares because the sells say something different.

[Spike47]

what's the point of this article? Haven't we heard this 100 times already.

Many games this gen on PS3 and xbox360 have taught me that gameplay is top priority.

Heck should this be considered news? I'm not gonna report this, but I don't have to approve it.

[ChampIDC]

Yeah, to me, gameplay is also top priority. As long as graphics aren't total crap, I'm fine with toned down graphics. I'd rather have a quality game that looks decent than an excellent-looking game that just plain sucks. Alone in the Dark anyone?

[techie]

GT5p is 1280by1080 at 60fps...

and COD4 is 600p not 640p

This article fails.

Name the 60 fps games on the 360 please.

[Leafs117]

Madden 08 :D

[Stryfeno1]

Forza 2 :D

[ApocalypseShadow]

the questions deep is:

why aren't ALL games after microsoft's 1080p update "1080p?"

if 360 is so powerful or more powerful than ps3 or has more memory than ps3,then why aren't games in 360's third year 1080p/60fps?

why are microsoft INHOUSE games not hitting 1080p/60fps?doesn't microsoft have billions of dollars to invest in better game engines?

oh,and forza2 had to back off of detail to hit 60fps.(which is backed by the devs comments.)madden took 2 years to get 60fps.

i see DEEP that there are still gamers that think 360 is more powerful than ps3.or that ps3 is holding 360 back.the FUD continues.they gave you disagrees.

apocalypse................... ......

[x C H 3 3 Z Y]

itz gran turismo 5 prologue 1920*1080 60fps

[techie]

Of course there are 60fps 360 games - but nice test to see who's concentrating - unlike this article.

Shadow - that isn't a question Microsoft have to answer. The console supports 1080p, every game needn't render at it. Same with the PS3. Developers must choose what best suits their game engine.

Cheezy: GT5p is not 1080p. It's 1280by1080 (1920by1080 in the garage, at the cost of 0xAA)

[segasage]

then you landed flat on your face...

you no longer credible..

[Dannagar]

60 fps isn't that special. Playstation One, Sega Saturn and N64 have plenty of games that run at 60 fps. At least a quarter of the 360 library runs at a rock solid 60 fps.
Just glancing at my collection alone:
Virtua Fighter 5
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4
Devil May Cry 4
Bomberman Act Zero
Sonic The Hedgehog
Virtua Tennis 3
SEGA Superstars Tennis
Rumble Roses
Dead Or Alive 4
Ace Combat 6
Ninja Gaiden II
The Simpsons Game
Ridge Racer 6
Spider-Man: Friend or Foe
Eternal Sonata
Tetris Evolution
Test Drive Unlimited
All the Koei games
Phantasy Star Universe
All the EA and 2k Sports games run at 60 fps
All the Guitar Hero's
All Lego Star wars/Indiana Jones
Nearly all the Xbox Live titles run at 60 fps. Many at 1080p such as Soul Calibur.

Actually... There's a hellish amount of games that run at 60 fps. It's nothing special. Maybe I should start listing the Playstation One games that run at 60 fps.

[omni_atlas]

So why is the asian guy (PS3) b*tch slapping the white dude (xbox) in the article link?

[Omega4]

the PS3 is clearly reaching its limit even Kojima said he couldnt make MGS4 as good graphically as he wanted cause of the PS3's limits and everyone knows about the poor amout of RAM the PS3 has compared to the 360. Maybe next gen Sony can make a system which can at least equal that of the 360s power!

[Snukadaman]

Both have the same amount of ram but the ps3 has it only for specific tasks and you cant point resources to other spots.....here is hoping playstation 1.5 fixes this problem or even adds more ram to the mix.....then and only then the ps3 can compete.

[Kleptic]

hahahahahha the ignorance this generation runs deep...

the 360 has never recieved a game that looks half as good as MGS4...'reaching its limit'?...if thats true...the 360 peaked in 2006 with Gears...'the power of the 360'?...gtfo...

and snuka...yeah they have the same ram...the PS3's XDR server class ram can be shared with the RSX...but the CPU can't use any of the GDDR3 dedicated to the RSX because of its slower speed...the 360 can share it in both directions...thats the only difference...

[Egzekutor]

So what if they have a bigger library of games when most of them is sh1t like VIVA PINATA.

SONY doesnt care for that kind of sh1t.

[Omega4]

your right they dont care for quality they care for flops like Lair, Haze, Heavenly Sword and the soon to be released flop thats Killzone 2 LOL!!!!!

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Bill Gate$ leaving has really got to them!!! ;-D
PATHETIC

[LuHawk]

Well people can't wait for your ass to leave your more annoying than ever

[power of Green]

This is why PS3 fanboys are fooled in thinking when devs use PS3 as the lead with multi platform games there is little to no issues with the PS3 versions and is a solution to the problem *vs* the 360 being lead; when infact the reason there is less issues is because the games are being gimped to PS3 standards by default.

I can spot a game that has PS3 in mind without knowing so just by the lighting, color and textures.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

I'm glad i annoy you!!! ;-D A lot of people on this think your Pathetic. Never mind, keep kissing Bill Gate$'s @ss

[Pain]

So making a F&%$@$& game on and for a PC or XBOX 360 MADE WITH AND BY PC PARTS... u get a Sh!ty running Playstation 3 game.

God damn u kids spin crap sideways.

u idiots are going to eat your words in next few years when PS3 is Screaming like chick on prom night.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

,FIRST can you say Xbox 360=10MB EDRAM =Low def!!

Get your facts straight dumbass,FIRST: Gamespot has no!- I repeat NO credibility in the game industry any longer!!!
2ND:This comparison is a joke and is not a fair comparison..(different technologies Cell is parallel)!
3rd:Call of Duty 4 is not as revolutionary as youd think it is!!
640P is low def and many programmers hit Hi-def on PS3 way before COD4 was release!!
Telling me that they tried to port 360 crap over!!!
4RTH:Guess what Killzone2 and Resistance 2 will eat their COD ass for breakfast!!!

[BLUR111]

"It's simple math: The Xbox 360 can display approximately 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to 275,000,000 polygons per second for the Playstation 3"

WOW the 360 needs to get on the ball then with exclusives. cuz what rikitatsu is true

[chidj2]

this article just get PWNED

this are the ps3 GPU SPECs

* 550-500 MHz G71 based GPU on 90 nm process[1] , proporcional a la serie GF 7900FX
* 300.2 million transistors total
* Multi-way programmable parallel floating-point shader pipelines
* Independent pixel/vertex shader architecture
* 24 parallel pixel pipelines
* 5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle ( 2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU )
* 27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
* 8 parallel vertex pipelines
* 2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle ( 1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issued )
* 10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
* Maximum vertex count: 1 billion vertices per second ( 8 vertex x 550 MHz / 4 )
* Minimum (worst case) polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second ( 1 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per triangle)
* Maximum (optimistic case) polygon count: 800 million and more depending on how many triangle strips are used in a game.
* Maximum shader operations: 136 shader operations per second
* Announced: 1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)
* 24 texture filtering units (TF) and 8 texture Addressing unit (TA)
* 24 filtered samples per clock
* Maximum texel fillrate: 12 gigatexel per second ( 24 textures x 550 MHz )
* 32 unfiltered texture samples per clock ( 8 TA x 4 texture samples )
* 8 Render Output units
* Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second ( 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* Maximum Z sample rate: 8 gigasamples per second ( 2 Z samples x 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* Maximum anti-aliasing sample rate: 8 gigasamples per second ( 2 AA samples x 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* 74.8 billion shader operations per second
* Maximum Dot product operations: 33 billion per second
* 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range rendering ( HDR)
* 256 MiB GDDR3 RAM at 700 MHz [2]
* 128-bit memory bus width
* 22.4 GiB/s read and write bandwidth
* Cell FlexIO bus interface
* 20 GiB/s read to the Cell and X.D.R memory
* 15 GiB/s write to the Cell and X.D.R memory
* Support for OpenGL ES 2.0
* Support for S3TC texture compression [3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[BLUR111]

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[TheColbertinator]

He is saying that the PS3 running 330 million polygons is the worst case scenario.The best that PS3 could muster is 800 million polygons per second which would negate this article.It does'nt matter anyway because even games that run 1080p can still be garbage.Check out Bullet Witch or Two Worlds.

[Common Sense]

At any given cycle, the shaders in the 360's GPU are either vertex or pixel shaders. That polygon count is only achievable by assuming that ALL the shaders are assuming the roles of vertex shaders. The only way the 360 could pull this off is by not using any pixel shaders which means to colors which means no picture on screen.

Pixel shading is more prevalent in gaming than vertex shading that's why graphics cards have more pixel shaders than vertex shaders. So in a sense, the 360 could not surpass the PS3 in polygon count because of unified shaders. It could possibly be equal.

And according to anandtech the RSX is the most powerful console GPU.
http://anandtech.com/trades...

[grantps3]

look at killzone 2, it looks better than anything on xbox.
and dont even try to tell me halo looks better.

and ps3 slaughters xbox in power. ps3 are used to make supercomputers and help find oil, NASA and the military bought a bunch to make stuff, what has 360 done besides act as a space heater. and why do almost every analyist and critics all say "MOST POWERFUL", and also got gadget of the year instead of xbox?

ps3s have six processers so it can handle way more complicated stuff at once, xbox has 2...so it cant

i will say that xbox 360 has a larger library right now but ps3s is going to get big fast.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

It's true. PS3 is the strongest console this gen.

[Kleptic]

never point out that PS3 exclusives absolutely crush the 360's, they hate that...UT3 is arguably the best looking 360 game now, finally edging out Gears...or maybe CoD 4 is the best...but there is a problem with a system when multiplatform games, that look identical and run identical on the other similar systems are the flagships...

the 360 gets better versions of some multiplatform games...because of familiar tools and very inexpensive development...the PS3 gets exclusives that seem like they are from a different generation...

[Wakka_]

Bots are just scared, ya?

[LuHawk]

scared that the 360 want have any competition when the Ps3 dies

[WIIIS1]

Explain why PS3 games need HDD installs to cheat through framerates please.

[sunnygrg]

MGS4 was only the beginning. FFXIII will be a carnage for the bots. That is when gamers will truly experience a next-gen RPG.

Me lovey RPG.

[AngryHippo]

.....don't see the point of this article at all to be honest apart from trying to irritate people. In all honest i have not seen anything to prove that 'The Xbox 360 can display approximately 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to 275,000,000 polygons per second for the Playstation 3.'

I don't think that games are going to really blow us away anymore but they will gradually start looking better as time goes on which is only natural. Both consoles have advantages and drawbacks but in the end developers will manage to unleash more and more hidden potential in both consoles.

As long as gameplay and story don't get sacrificed for good graphics then i will be happy.

[biggamerhk]

multiplats these days are becoming more and more identical. in 06 and 07, PS3 was more behind. so, i dont understand in this article why they say the gap is expanding....wtf? and MGS4, Uncharted, and GT5P in terms of graphics?? Nuff said

[Voiceofreason]

Why do you kids talk about exclusive games as proof 360 isnt superior. UNcharted isnt on 360 to compare. Of course it could have another game but you kids would simply dismiss it. Fact is if the PS3 was way more powerful you wouldnt have to pull up exclusive games as your proof. When it comes to multi plat games they all look and play better on 360. I am not sure why people think that with the PS3 not even being able to play GTA4 on the same level as 360 that is is some how superior.

[Spydr07]

VoR, ALL of them, huh? What about Burnout? I only need to name one to discredit you.

[chidj2]

idiot 275,000 polygons ps3 ure a stupid retard

this are the RSX specs

* 550-500 MHz G71 based GPU on 90 nm process[1] , proporcional a la serie GF 7900FX
* 300.2 million transistors total
* Multi-way programmable parallel floating-point shader pipelines
* Independent pixel/vertex shader architecture
* 24 parallel pixel pipelines
* 5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle ( 2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU )
* 27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
* 8 parallel vertex pipelines
* 2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle ( 1 vector4 and 1 scalar, dual issued )
* 10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
* Maximum vertex count: 1 billion vertices per second ( 8 vertex x 550 MHz / 4 )
* Minimum (worst case) polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second ( 1 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per triangle)
* Maximum (optimistic case) polygon count: 800 million and more depending on how many triangle strips are used in a game.
* Maximum shader operations: 136 shader operations per second
* Announced: 1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)
* 24 texture filtering units (TF) and 8 texture Addressing unit (TA)
* 24 filtered samples per clock
* Maximum texel fillrate: 12 gigatexel per second ( 24 textures x 550 MHz )
* 32 unfiltered texture samples per clock ( 8 TA x 4 texture samples )
* 8 Render Output units
* Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 gigapixel per second ( 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* Maximum Z sample rate: 8 gigasamples per second ( 2 Z samples x 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* Maximum anti-aliasing sample rate: 8 gigasamples per second ( 2 AA samples x 8 ROPs x 550 MHz )
* 74.8 billion shader operations per second
* Maximum Dot product operations: 33 billion per second
* 128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range rendering ( HDR)
* 256 MiB GDDR3 RAM at 700 MHz [2]
* 128-bit memory bus width
* 22.4 GiB/s read and write bandwidth
* Cell FlexIO bus interface
* 20 GiB/s read to the Cell and X.D.R memory
* 15 GiB/s write to the Cell and X.D.R memory
* Support for OpenGL ES 2.0
* Support for S3TC texture compression [3]

now ass hole where are the 275,000 huh?

proof of the ps3 have more polygons just look killzone 2 mgs4 etc

[DevonTheDude535]

The PS3 also has higher anti-aliasing relative to the 360 too, look at GTA 4 for example.

[power of Green]

You get that from the same archive the *EMOTION ENGINE* info was?.

[grantps3]

yeah what he said

[BLUR111]

^^^ um what just tell me.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Uh oh I would like to see where this dude got "his facts" from

[chidj2]

me?

if its me

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Mighty Boom]

Ill give it a try...

360>PS3

Not as exciting as I thought... Oh well,have at it kiddies.

[Booyah]

lol

[Gitaroo]

there are already developer that slammed this kind of spec comparison, saying the polygon output is complete retarded for a real game performance.

[Fragking28]

so i guess they are saying multiplat wise ps3 is holding 360 back performance wise and im preety sure ps3 has advantages over the 360 also.

[Firewire]

What a load of crap!

I can't take this BS on this site any longer. N4G has become a joke, and is recognized as such by most respectable gaming sites. Most of the news on this site is BS blogs and fan boy made up articles.

Delete my account please, I'm done with this site!

[BLUR111]

I FEEL YA MAN.

bubble up :)....lol

[ChrisGTR1]

where will you go?

[grantps3]

well...i will admit that sony had a bad plan due to a major lack in a library of games at launch, and 360 didnt. but it is rising in sales and a lot of great games are coming out

[unbiased]

GTA5 puts out over 2 million pollys per second.
OWNED!

[SUP3R]

GTA5?
I want GTA5!!!

[Pika-pie]

Oh My God!!! Thats all i can say. What the hell his this taking to tell such lies. I am literally amazed.

[jmcorp]

An article that is positive towards the xbox 360 gets posted on this damn Sony site...

This article is 100% correct the graphics on the PS3 are not yet up to the standard of the Xbox 360 yet, and it shows in multi-platform games like COD4 and DMC4...oh don't forget GTA4.

GTA 4 on the PS3 was a blurry and dull experience.
on the Xbox 360 its is sharp, clear, the view distance is better and the textures are of a higher resolution.

"but, we still haven't seen
a 360 game as good looking as Uncharted,MGS4, GT5P !"

take the wool of your eyes!
Mass Effect looks better than all three of those games, Gears of War 1 & 2 looks 200% better than all three combined so. FAIL.

but of course the 'truth' pill can be very hard to swallow.
especially on a site infested with Sony Fans.

[Pika-pie]

Mass effect is not all that. It had horrible texture pop which seriously ruined the whole experiance for me. You could almost see the world being loaded in all around you as you moved, not acceptable this gen.

No truth pill needed, 360 has some great games. But so does the PS3 with plenty more to come. game on.

[jmcorp]

lets not beat about the bush.

look at this screens of GoW and tell me they dont destroy any thing on the PS3.

http://screenshots.teamxbox...

[rev20]

LOL

Gears of war looks exactly like Unreal Tournament 3 and guess what Unreal Tournament 3 looks identicle on both PS3 and 360.

NEXT!

This is straight off the TV playing the game

i win ;)

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

they don't.

[MikeGdaGod]

"Mass Effect looks better than all three of those games, Gears of War 1 & 2 looks 200% better than all three combined so."

LOL!!!

dude either you're and extreme fanboy or in total denial. there's no way those games look better than Uncharted, GTP5 or MGS4. that's just not true. and the sad part is you're lying to yourself. i just don't understand fanboy logic.

whatever helps you sleep better at night i guess.

[mesh1]

im a ps3 fan and guys i have to admit ive noticed this my brother has kameo a launch title for the 360 which uses the dame type of carttonish polygons these platform games go for they are not realbump maps which immitate real life texutres kameo looks amamzing but these carttony type of graphics are easy for next gen console cod4,gears of war 2,gears of war 1,resistance1,ressitance 2 are the real graphical showcase of these next gen console you have a pick what look sbetter gears of war 2 or resistance 2 as both are being released at the same time and have had the same dev time.

[TayTayShaniqua]

It is likely that jmcorp actually believes the crap he just spouted.

Those infamous fake Unreal Engine marketing shots for Gears of War and Mass Effect were seized upon by 360 fans the same way a person would if your bank accidentally deposited a million dollars into your account. You want it to be true so badly that you actually start believing the money is yours.

360 owners did a good job of making PS3 owners believe the 360 was in the same league graphically as the PS3 for the first year because many of them were so desperately delusional that they were very convincing. Everyone has seen how mediocre the actual in game Unreal Engine graphics are and laugh at the old Gears of War and Mass Effect marketing shots but many 360 fans still cling to them.

[n4gno]

What a blind fanboy : cod 4 is the same, and gta4 is better looking on ps3 (see comments of pixels counters, or reviews)

but the more ridiculous is comparing cut scenes (like videos) mass effect, with real time 3D :)

the article is talking about more poliygones for xbox, it's just the contrary. (look at the comments, someone is talking about facts : "The XBOX360 is able to claculate 1 teraflop erp second whereas the PS3 is able to calculate 1.8 teraflops per second. Punto.")

[robep3]

Yes Gears looks very nice and its quite a good trick they do to make it look good.

1) Put hi-res detail in foreground characters & objects
2) Then exaggerate the depth of field effect to make things look
almost 3d.
3) Low res hardly any detail in objects etc that appear mid to long
distance.
The thing is it uses unreal engine so any game could be made to look like that on PS3 OR PC as well!!!.

There are tricks that can be used to get more output from the GPU'S
ON BOTH machines the thing is the 500m in the 360 is theoretical max
IIRC so is the 275m for the GPU in the PS3 but the cell can assist the
RSX in the PS3 that changes things altogether as you see in EXCLUSIVES
This will show up more later this year with R2,MS2,then KZ2,GT5 etc.
Compare UT3 on both machines nothing in it unreal engine and 8 MONTHS
EXTRA DEV TIME FOR 360 VERSION what happened to all the polygons there
eh!!!!!

[TayTayShaniqua]

What is wonderfully ironic about jmcorp using Gears of War and Mass Effect as examples of 'teh 360s power' is that they are both Unreal Engine games.

UE3 is entirely based upon massive use of normal maps which is a way to fake poly counts/geometric detail with texture level effects. It is a technique used to over come the underlying hardware's inability to push enough polygons. That is why it is so popular on the 360 and considered a joke on the PS3. Normal maps look incredibly lame compared to games running with actual geometric detail.

The fact that the 'big game' on the 360, Gears of War 2, three years into its life is using an engine that has to fake geometric detail with massive use of normal maps is all that needs to be said about how graphically weak the 360 is compared to the PS3.

[shrep]

GTA4 for the PS3 didn't have the popup issues that the Xbox Version faced, ie buildings suddenly appearing.

[Origin]

i've played call of duty 4 mutiplayer on both systems
the ps3 has better lighting in certain levels and when the windows on the cars crack when u shoot them realisticly

[RememberThe357]

Gears 2 looks great and I can't wait to pick it up, but I don't see anything that blows games like Resistance 2 or Killzone 2 away. I don't like that everyone is jumping down your throat but I guess the PSfanboys are getting a little tired of the double standard that exists between the PS3 and the 360.

[Common Sense]

The writer of this article is highly uninformed and is spinning numbers to garner support. Even Microsoft could not utter this with a straight face.No game on the 360 could EVER boast that number because of the 360's UNIFIED SHADER structure.

That number is achievable ONLY if all the 48 shaders on the 360 take on the role of vertex shaders. Which means there wouldn't be any pixel shaders available to render the pixels and/or colors on screen. If the 360 renders 500 million polygons per sec, you wouldn't be able to see it because there would nothing on the screen because there wouldn't be any pixel shaders to render the picture on screen.

I mean it's just common sense and one who disagrees must lack common sense.

[Wolf873]

truth-pill is even harder to swallow for a 360 fanboy who can't face the facts that PS3 has some games that beat 360 by a long shot. Don't take it too hard, you should have seen the way 360 boys were rubbing in faces of PS3 boys about every friggin' thing that was released on 360, during the days when PS3 was still young.

[Kratos3452]

your full of crap non of that is true.exclusives look insane on ps3 call of duty both run great and are both graphicly the same.

[wizerd]

wtf if the 360 is so much more powerful the the ps3 why does both 360 and ps3 run call of duty 4 the exacly the same wouldent it make sense for the powerful 360 to outshine it not be equal to it lol wtf is the piece of crap article

[SUP3R]

Exactly.
They were both separately built from the ground up for each console.
Meaning specifically optimized to work to its best capabilities on each system.
That being the case, how is it that the 360 version still performs equally to the PS3 yet, according to this article, it should be outperforming it.
This story is a hot load of sh1t with "facts" as loose as the authors whoring mother.

[wizerd]

lol if you truly believe that you got the brain of a cheese sandwich

[jmcorp]

lest not waste our time, form what i've seen of Suckzone 2, the game makes use of blurry textures, i.e many textures in the environment are not suprisingly low-res, yes low-res textures they are dull and blurry, character models in Suckzone 2 are high-res and i must admit look good, sadly the game will be let down by the environamental grafix.

there is a reason there is no colour in killzone and that the sky is grey...and its not bcuz the devs wanted so.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Gears of war 2 is the one with blurry textures,and low resolution's.

Killzone 2 looks fantastic.

[Xbox is the BEST]

you seen the new Killzone 2 trailer on PSN? It looks like sh1t. Sony Droids were in awww over SD videos of Killzone 2. Well the HDMI don't lie folks.

[jmcorp]

why? please explain your self, and prove that you have at least half a brain...

[Isaac]

You would not need the explanation, you can do your own research.

[thewhoopimen]

Dude... just give it up. Your not winning this argument with weak evidence. There are games in the PS3 library that surpass gears.

[Delt4]

..........pointless article! I think I'm a little dumber after reading that! :D

[Ballistic Jay]

A bubble for you sir!

[Ghoul]

Ok, little education for the article writers.

360 being ABLE to run 500mil. and the ps3 being ABLE to run 270 mil. polys at once, is pure technical limitations and has NOTHING to do with the reality of how many polys you can utilize to get a game running at a constant acceptable framerate.

todays games utilize about 15-25 k polys per main character a lil less for villains and not so important (front characters) props to about 10k environments to about 1-1.5 million polys (in extreme cases)

do the math you come to around 1-4 mil. polys at current gen games, wich is so to say an insane number of polygons on screen

270 MILLION polygons at once !!

no game on the market now and in the next 5 years will use that huge amount of polys on screen at the same time, its about fillrates texture caches streamings pixelpipelins etc. NOT about how many polys you can display.

the 360 OR ps3 will never run a game on 270 million polys at anything above 5 frames in realtime (and im speaking about basic textured meshes/polys without postprocessing or shaders aplied to them.)

this flamearticle fails couse of unbelievably BAD research and knowledge

[Avto]

Have to agree on this one. Modern games struggle to brake 3 million polygons per frame and this is usually for very unoptimized engines with bad clipping Crysis is around 2 up ro 3 million the problem is not the raw poly count, but the lighting and applying textures to this polygons

[Ghoul]

yes

todays polygons in a game are layerd with several layers of textures,
(diffuse, specular, normal, paralax, shadowmap, globalillu, etc) and shader operations on top of those + postprocessing filters in the end.

in fact making a game with 1-2 million polys all layerd with textures and shaders is pushing the 360 and ps3 both to the max, and hardcore engeneering is at work to make it run smooth. some of you might be shocked how lowpoly gears of war is couse mostly anthing of the details is rendered via normal maps and detail normal maps (for closeups).

[chidj2]

Car models in GT5 average 200,000 polygons each.

that game and crysis are the the games with more polygons actually

[Fanboy Slaughter]

Thanks to you (Ghoul) and Avto for the lesson in Graphics, bubbles to both of you.

[Avto]

Well yes, I hear Marcus in GeOW had like 15000 polygons and this is very, very low if you take into account that Resident Evil 4 Leon had like 10000. So this gen is not about polygons, it's about textures, lighting and other effects. Also even if you have a machine that could do 300 million polygons making a game with this much polygons per frame is too expensive by modern standards, only big devs like Square Enix or Sony could pull it of and they would be making one or two games per year, it would be easier to make lowpoly games to make profit.

[Ghoul]

"Car models in GT5 average 200,000 polygons each."

yes you are right but NOT all the time, you get that resolution when closeup to the car, the other time you have LOD (evel of detail) models wich degrade over distance.

closeup 200k
10 meter 150k
50 meter 50k
100 meter 10k

and so forth. A gameengine switchies between the lod levels on demand and distance eotherwise you would have 0 fps in every game out there on current game consoles.

even a gt5 is not over 2-3 mio. polys per scene at its best (and i would even scale it more downwards to around 1 million per frame at gt5)

@avto

actually it would be no problem to make a game with 1.000 million polys but no engine or hardware would run it. Marcus highres model would be around 10 million polys (the highres out of with the normal maps are baked for the ingame lopoly model) the normal maps in gears would take several hundret million polys if they would have loaded the basemeshes into the scene, but its impossible. nuff said.

[ShinGundam]

Lair PS3
Main dragon plus its rider - 150,000 polygons
((16x16KM)) scene - 134M polygons (streamed into memory, not loaded at run time)

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[Ghoul]

yeah

these pretty much should people give a sense of what i talked about

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, PS3, 2007
Main characters - ~20,000-30,000 polygons
Drake - ~30,000 polygons
Pirates - ~12,000-15,000 polygons

Crysis, PC, 2007
Nano-suit character - 67,000 polygons (uncertain whether it's an in-game model or not)*
Characters' heads - ~2500-3000 polygons
Characters' bodies - ~5000 polygons

[wizerd]

Dont even get my started on what you just wrote everything you said was biased untrue and totally crap im not gunna explain my self ask anyone with a higher iq then a grape and they will find the time and explain what is wrong with ur commment @jmcorp

[paracardium]

that one ghostbuster dev they could do alot more on ps3 but they can't because they have to keep it the same as 360 version..that's why mutiplat games suck bcause they have to be the same as 360 version which is stupid.

Exclusive games for ps3 slaughter other games for 360.

[jmcorp]

wizerd or weirdo...

What is wrong with my comment, you clearly have found nothing wrong with what i wrote, but your Sony contract states you must speak otherwise...

The facts speak for themselves, but as i said the 'truth' pill does not go down well in a fanboy's throat.

What is wrong with my comment? i ask again, answer or be proven a fool.

[LTC]

Its the other way around. 360 is holding back PS3, Im sure if COD4 was a PS3 exclusive it would have run at 720p and not 600p. Also how come Halo 3 an xbox exclusive only runs at 640p also. Is the PS3 holding it back there aswell?

Killzone 2, GT5P, MGS4 and Uncharted all destroy what the 360 has to offer. This is one BS article.

[sonic989]

he is moving moving and scored a goal for m$ .
how much money will m$ pay for this article its funny to read this kind of stuff cause the ps3 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar more powerful than 360 but its ok .
i like to read it just for laughing
note the cell is a sleeping monster not unleashed yet

[sonic989]

the cell can handle anything anytime where you want

[Ri0tSquad]

Wow, I'm still debating with myself if I should care or not......

[gnothe1]

this is gonna be good LOL!!

but sony only guys, serious non idiot guys only!! how come when the 360 was released an then the PS3, most if not ALL multiplat games LOOKED an PERFORMED better on the 360. i know many of you stated that the 360 had a year head start but that was only because was waiting on the finalization of blu ray, the system specs an dev kits were already out an accessible to many devs. most PS3 games suffered from frame rate problems AND lower graphical quality than the 360, just like this article stated. how many times have we seen games made for the 360 run like crap on the PS3 but game built for the PS3 run the same on the 360.

this graphical grap is starting to close right? thats because alot of devs are starting to make the PS3 lead, BECAUSE if they can get the game they wanted to build running on the PS3 then they know they will have a good running 360 game. havent it been stated that deving for the PS3 first makes for a better 360 game. I think what happened is that sony sold the devs on the PS3 having so much power that they were using the 360 as lead because they thought that any game they made on the 360 would translate over to the PS3 with no problems an it didnt work out that way.

has it not been PROVEN that the 360 can produce sharper an better looking TEXTURES, DMC4,COD4,Assasins creed, has it not been proven that you can get a smoother frame rate out of the 360, Madden 08 60 fps to 30 on the PS3,I know both versions will be 60 this year but they probably built that game with PS3 specs in mind an modeled the 360 version around that.tony hawk, skate, Grid,AC, just like a few multiplat games that run at a higher resolution on the 360 than the PS3, GTA anyone.

so i know you guys are gonna write this article off as flame bait but the evidence is right in front of you but its up to you to accept the FACTS that layed out for you to see.

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

what facts? That the PS3 got some crappy ports by lazy devs(i say this because of what i saw good devs can do with ps3 games)

You uttered groundless statements/oppinions. Explain how even remotely the 360 is actually 'better' or more powerful than the PS3.

I personally think the PS3 exclusive games (graphics wise) are far better.

Good day!

[Origin]

no it is easier to port from ps3 to xbox

[Says you]

This article doesn't even know what its talking about considering there just lieing and spreading nonsense every where even other PS3 games have proven this article wrong too.

[wizerd]

ok firstly you said mass effects graphics beats uncharted gt5p mgs4 hands down FAIL look on any unbiased website you will see that most of those games graphics were given higher scores then mass effects graphics take ign for example mass effect graphics were rated 8.5 mgs4 10 nuff said secondly you said gears of war 1 and 2 look 200% better then those 3 games combined lol i don't think so look on any website again and find the results your self and as for gears of war 2 it aint out yet so save your judgment until the final product i could ramble on and on and point pot holes at your post all day but i have a life o and as for the truth pill you should take it orally instead of shoving it up your ass all the time

[OmarJA]

THE3FIXME HAS BETTER GRAPHICS

IT CAN RUN NINJA GAIDEN 2 AT 585P AND HALO 3 AT 640

[Omega4]

and yet they still look superior to most of the PS3's exclusives lol!!!

[-Maverick-]

LOL NO THEY DON'T!!! Try again!

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Yeah that's what I don't get, why are the 360 exclusives equaling the resolution of those of multiplat games while PS3's exclusives are totally different, i.e. higher resolution?

[TheDeadMetalhead]

...that since the PS3 is much harder to design for some game developers cut corners on their games, like the framerate. I think that's probably the most logical explaination.

[59fifty8]

if thats true than why is a game as good and as long as metal gear 4 wont be able to run on 360 itll take like 7 dvds to run. more powerful yeah wheres ur blu ray player, oops. the ps3 has more graphics, hdd, and a load of more stuff. the 360 cant handle. this article is wrong. and for the xbots why is microsoft already making 720 it looks like the ps3 doesnt it.

[Snukadaman]

Dam the amount of total knowledge on this posting would be able to fit on the head of a pin.

[n4gno]

The question is : "how many crappy blogs microsoft or xbots can open for 2008's dammage control, before nobody care about ?"

[CertifiedGamer]

They are on the MS payroll

[matts82173]

Can’t take the truth, can you? I suppose all the failures of your system are getting to be too much to bear… Call of Duty, Orange Box, Haze… games just can’t run as well on the PS3 as they do on the 360. The PS3 was rushed out only as a Trojan Horse for Blu-ray anyways so enjoy all your Blu-ray movies (with the pauses in between scenes) that nobody else is buying. Sony really messed up this race. Well, hopefully one day MS will buy Sony and then we can get the next ICO/SOTC game (the ONLY game that really interests me on the PS3) on the Xbox and it will just be them vs. Nintendo.

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

laughed my ass off when a 360! owner told a ps3 owner,"I suppose all the failures of your system are getting to be too much to bear."

Epic Fail!

[TheDeadMetalhead]

..................*laughs so hard his head explodes*

[Fanboy Slaughter]

a 360 fanboy talking about failures?! HA HA HA!! yeah, okay, tell that to your RROD and you totally awesome NON-working port of Bully, a PS2 game!

[_Q_]

Aren't you cute you adorable lil thing you. Keep trying.

[dro]

were did this article come from... i blive uncharnted, mgs4 and gt5p alerday proved that the ps3 will eat the 360 up graphics wise, dont get me wrong i like both the ps3 and 360 and i could not care less about what this article says but the truth is that any time one of sony first party studios makes an exlusive game it always has better graphics than the 360. i bet the writer of this article just wanted to find something to say or start another dumb fan boi war, any way f all the bs, bring on E3 =D

[sonic989]

no need to get angry ps3 fans we know that our console is the best so relax .
m$ economy is going down these i wonder why ?
i get it paying money for websites to smash ps3

[scottmichael]

wow fanboys make me laugh (the people writting these comments, not the author)

Its common knowledge 360 has a much better/sophisicated GPU, although the cell can compenstate for some of that, its not happening and wont be anytime soon

:D

[Isaac]

"Its common knowledge 360 has a much better/sophisicated GPU"

It is common belief, not common knowledge.

RSX and Xenon have very similar capabilities, the advantage of the 360 is it has unified shaders which makes it easy to program for. The RSX has higher theoretical computing power in terms of shader processing, but since it has no unified shader pipeline, it will run into a lot more bottlenecks if it runs a directly ported game with no tweaks. If the game is programmed optimally, you get much better results, but that is why PS3 is more expensive to develop for. If you use the cell, you get even better results, which is why exclusives on PS3 show better what it is capable of.

[Isaac]

It sounds like it came from 2005 and all the FUD that Microsoft fanboys have been spewing. The guy is evidently not a game developer, and he makes very poor use of information and makes too many assumptions that could be easily destroyed; i.e. the writer is either a moron or a fanboy or both.

I could tell you that the RSX processes less polygons than the Xenon because it has half the RAM available but it processes more per RAM unit and the cell processor also processes graphics and has access to the RSX RAM, but that is ridiculous and pointless since the proof is in the pudding.

A similar argument could be said about how the game is more a burden on 360 than PS3 because of PS3s "higher floating point capabilities", which is retarded since all games have different specs. The proof is in the pudding, and if you think otherwise you are mistaken. Just compare these:

Metal Gear Solid 4 versus Gears of War 2

Uncharted versus Gears of War,

Killzone (or Resistance 2) versus Halo 3

GT5:P versus PGR4,

GT5 versus Forza 2

Warhawk versus Ace Combat 6 (unless it is multiplat?)

I am not saying which is better, you come up with your own conclusions.

[scottmichael]

i own all the games bar resistance/killzone, so im not biased, but what the xbox does, is take the not so good games, and add hours of playability to them because of its online services

i think if you put 80% of the ps3's hardware, and 20% xbox hardware, 100% of the xbox's software, you'll have the perfect console

[Ballistic Jay]

this article was just pwned, that list is an easy all-win for PS3. And yeah, i've played most on both sides.

[n00bzRtehgey]

lol. dumbass isaac strikes again.

all those games are better on 360 and look better, too.

and to further pwn u, the COD4 comparison shots posted a week or two agao showed higher rez normal mapping on the 360 shaders. ps3 was blurry crap. there was a difference. fact. u gotta ask yourself why :)

[thehitman]

so the 1080p games @ 60fps which 360 has none of doesnt mean anything?. UT3 running @ 720p 60fps which is by far a better graphically game then cod4 doesnt mean anything? Load of bs I mean the game runs the same on both systems and somehow they still trying to say that the ps3 is worse. Give me a break if the 360 was more powerful why does it run the same then??? The game was DESIGN to run the SAME has nothing to do with which is more powerful. Developers job when making multi plats first priority is to achieve the same quality on each platform which they did.

[PimpHandHappy]

and anyone thats says he is right is a complete fool

i see a few fools on this thread

[BRACHATTACK]

I knew this would cause fanboy arguments, but seriously, whats the big deal? The game looked great on both consoles, so why argue about it? I'm sick of comparisons, a most of the games are identical anyway, i couldn't really care if a game has pop up issues on the ps3 only, or darker shadows on a 360 game.

[Egzekutor]

I think that soon on the net, there will be an article saying "360 processor faster and better than the PS3's CELL".

The articles are being written by the biggest amateurs ever. They have no clue about the topic, but they still act a big mouth, like they know it best. If the XBOX 360 graphics CHIP is SOOOO MUCH fuking better, tell me WHY THE FUK are we not seeing games on the 360 that look anywhere near like Gran Turismo 5 , MGS4 and the biggest one KILLZONE 2.

So please tell me what the fuk happend to the super xbox 360 graphics abbilities ? Because at the moment the only game that is showing something is GoW.

Ive had enough bullsh1t talk about the PS3's RSX. RSX this RSX that.
RSX is weaker, RSX is sh1t.

Look at the first party games ?? Its that fuking sh1tty RSX provides those stunning graphics, you FUKING MORONS. Get your fuking sh1t together you fuking id1ots. Get your sh1t right, before you talk about RSX.

First party studios are making a GREAT fuking job on producing those AAA titles. So far, only the FIRST PARTY studios and Infinity Ward has showed some skill in developing for PS3.

The games will come out just like they did for PS2, from GOOD to THE BEST. Resident Evil 4 on PS2 can be counted as next gen, can you fuking believe what is waiting for us in a year or two ??

[Egzekutor]

Which fukin xbox fanboy dared to disagree with me ??

You know its fuking true, face the fuking facts, puss*es

[scottmichael]

Not a fanboy, you just dont have a clue what your talking about

PS3 is a great machine, but its like a second dining room, with the best china on the table, which you use twice a year when the whole family is around

Xbox is like a breakfast table, which you use every single day

Own both consoles, and youll find yourself posting less sh1t like above

[Xbox is the BEST]

bad RE4 on the Cube looked better that the PS#2's version.

[scottmichael]

When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

[Egzekutor]

* Minimum (worst case) polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second ( 1 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per triangle)
* Maximum (optimistic case) polygon count: 800 million and more depending on how many triangle strips are used in a game.

The XBOX 360 fanboys and Microsoft are going down like a TITANIC.

[scottmichael]

The 51 billions dot products per cycle were listed on a summary slide of total graphics system performance and are assumed to include the Cell processor. Sony's calculations seem to assume that the Cell can do a dot product per cycle per DSP, despite not having a dot product instruction.

However, using Sony's claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.

It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360's 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

[Isaac]

Funniest article ever
It sounds like it came from 2005 and all the FUD that Microsoft fanboys have been spewing. The guy is evidently not a game developer, and he makes very poor use of information and makes too many assumptions that could be easily destroyed; i.e. the writer is either a moron or a fanboy or both.

I could tell you that the RSX processes less polygons than the Xenon because it has half the RAM available but it processes more per RAM unit and the cell processor also processes graphics and has access to the RSX RAM, but that is ridiculous and pointless since the proof is in the pudding.

A similar argument could be said about how the game is more a burden on 360 than PS3 because of PS3s "higher floating point capabilities", which is retarded since all games have different specs. The proof is in the pudding, and if you think otherwise you are mistaken. Just compare these:

Metal Gear Solid 4 versus Gears of War 2

Uncharted versus Gears of War,

Killzone (or Resistance 2) versus Halo 3

GT5:P versus PGR4,

GT5 versus Forza 2

Warhawk versus Ace Combat 6 (unless it is multiplat?)

I am not saying which is better, you come up with your own conclusions.

Edit:

Can anyone tell me if the guy below me actually said something intelligent? Because I have him on my ignore list and I do not even want to press show because I might lose a few neurons if it is bullsh1t. Thanks.

[MUNKYPOO]

this guy obviously doesnt know what hes talking about. hes comparing port on games that started on the the 360 and used 360 codes. of course its not going to run well. same thing if they did it with the ps3, the 360 would look horrible. this guy fails in so many ways. he doesnt even try to hide the fact hes biased. i guess desperate times calls for desperate measures

[ApocalypseShadow]

"PS3 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN 360"

i know there are 360 fans that don't believe that a system released one year later is not going to have an edge on a system released earlier.but the truth is in your faces.you just choose to believe microsoft's lies as they have lied about other things when it comes to 360.

1)PORTS aren't PROOF of which system is more powerful.

2)early games in a systems life is not indicative of what a system can do.

3)you can post numbers,talk about memory size,talk about unreal engine 3 games to death.

4)more devs have achieved better results on ps3 than 360 when it's from the ground up.better lighting,more enemies,better detail,more players online without huge lag.or ANY lag.

5)sony devs say ps3 is more powerful.

6)microsoft devs say 360 is more powerful.

7)the majority of third party devs say ps3 is more powerful.

***so,TWO OUT OF THREE say otherwise that ps3 is more powerful.***

8)CARMACK,a leading PC dev,says ps3 is more powerful.

9)scientists use ps3 for all kinds of things,while they don't care to use ANY chips in 360 for scientific studies.

360 is a powerful system.it has good games on it.even I can see that.but....

"360 IS NOT MORE POWERFUL THAN PS3.

lie to yourselves.disagree.continue to believe that games like COD4 are burdens when in fact,it's telling that it takes more "BRAIN POWER" to make ps3 games.instead of being lazy and making "PORTS."

just look at microsoft INHOUSE games compared to sony IHNHOUSE games.not games bought and published by microsoft.INHOUSE.that should tell you right there.it is only because of "ONE" game engine that 360 has been able to compete....but not BEAT ps3.

apocalypse........

[Siqness]

The PS3 is more powerful according to its specs..and the CEll of course...But the 360 outperforms it.Tht has to be embarassing. And the framerates a game gets shows how well it performs..The 360 gets higher framerates in every multiplatform game avalaible than the ps3..so just beacuse its more powerful doesnt mean it has a better performance

[Varsarus]

Multiplatform games are running better on the 360 because it was a 360-based engine with HLSL coding (DirectX), PS3 uses Cg and is not fully compatible with HLSL, the people at Beyond3D were having a chat about this, when some smart individuals asked that are they running HLSL code on the RSX?, and apparently, that was the problem....

Sadly, 360 to PS3 ports will always turn out crap for the PS3, because 360 can only do HLSL.

[trancefreak]

Who wrote this dumb and dumber??. the game is a huge success leave it alone.

[Ballistic Jay]

LoL at the disagree ^ YES! MESS WITH IT!!!

[GafferUK]

I have enjoyed reading articles on N4G for a good year now and enjoy reading the comments also but I have to admit to becoming extremely annoyed at the number of completely untrue fake pro 360 articles that are popping up in recent weeks.

Because of this I have finally decided to join and post my own comments.

I am amazed at the stupidity of a large number of 360 owners who seem to be completely oblivious to the games the PS3 is now getting and the state of the console war in general.

To read simply daft comments such as "the 360 has twice the RAM of the PS3" makes me wanna grab a 360 fanboy by the head and force him to read the console specs. This article has a lot of magical numbers that mean nothing, the only thing that does mean something is the games. All I can say is look at MGS4 and tell me the PS3 is weak, I love Uncharted and think the graphics are amazing but MGS4 just takes it up a notch, runs smoother and has no screen tearing. The PS3 is getting better and better whereas in my OPINION the 360 has levelled out.

I guess the momentum the PS3 now has in sales worldwide (not just US) is really getting to the 360 fanboys so they're doing their bit to stave off the death of their console, admirable in a way but a complete waste of time.

[jif86]

Well said

3FixMe is dead and buried. Move on, bots.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Well said;)
That's why i joined this site.
I use to just read the Articals on this site and that was it, but then i started to read the LIES's on this and joined up!
I didn't like the xBox 360 much anyway before but after reading the cr*p the xBot Lemmings were saying and their Dark Lord(you know who they are)i HAD to defend the PlayStation Brand. Can't wait till the xBox 360 is dead, i'll be DANCING IN THE STREET!!! ;-D
+I don't mind Nintendo's fans and Nintendo!!! Believe it or not!;)
(Hmm apart from Mr.fork!!!) ;-D

[AngryTypingGuy]

The RAM in the 360 is more accessible to programmers. Half isn't specifically assigned to one thing or another like on the PS3.

[jmcorp]

this article proves N4G is now the new website for the Sony Task force, loyal gaystation 3 supporters may i just say, the newer PS3 has worse graphics than the 'old' Xbox 360!

lets face you fools(Ps3 ass budies) stated that in i years time the Suckstation 3 would be better than the Xbox 360.FAIL. i'm waiting....been a year now

[uie4rhig]

this article fails, he/she is right, but it still fails, he fails to mention that the RSX was designed to work together with the CELL.. the Xenos is just an average gpu that was designed for the 360... Exclusive games take advantage of this (RSX working together with the CELL)... however.. multiplatform games DON'T take advantage of this.. that's how ps3 exclusive look so good..
another factor is that they try to port a game from a console which is less hard to program for, to a console that is harder to program for..

greeetzz

[dkgshiz]

I wonder if the person who created this article ever knew the RSX and the cell work together. The RSX doesn't just work alone. what a Fuk bag. Same thing with the PS3s RAM. It works with the Cell. Sony said this, since the PS3 was ever announced! Look at uncharted! Or MGS4. They all look better than any other 360 game. Even lair looks better. Oh, also why did they make this article? COD4 is pretty old.

[ShadowSnake_27]

honestly it dusnt matter wot system u play it on they both look and play the same.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

I took these polygon count specs from Wikipedia

The PS3 RSX: Minimum (WORST CASE) polygon count: 333.3 million polygons per second ( 1 billion vertices per second / 3 vertices per triangle)
Maximum (optimistic case) polygon count: 800 million and more depending on how many triangle strips are used in a game.

The 360 Xenos: MAXIMUM polygon count: 500 million triangles per second[3] (1.5 Billion vertices / 3 vertices per triangle)

There was no minimum listing on 360 specs. It also mention that the RSX has 24 texture filtering units while the Xenos has 16, but the Xenos makes up for it with the eDRAM, enabling 4x AA compared to the RSX's 2x AA

The article claims the PS3 tops out at 275 Million polys is complete and utter bullsh!t, and that is FACT, not opinion.

As any reasonable person can see, these are two EXTREMELY different GPUs, fully capable of amazing graphics, but requiring VERY different programming skills to achieve max output on both GPU's. I will say that the 360's trump card (for now) is the eDRAM, that enables 4x AA.

I guess the best way to simplify it is that the 360 would print the Mona Lisa on a Laser Printer, while the PS3 would hand-craft it with brushes and paint. While they both would look great, there's just something about more hand-crafting that makes it better. Visually, not by much, but look up close and the differences will pop out.

[Judge Mental]

I have talked to numerous people that have played COD4 on the ps3 and xbox360. Everyone I talk to says the same thing, COD4 looks better on the PS3.

The people in question claim that object from a distance look pixelated or less clear on the xbox360 than they do on the PS3.

I havn't play it on the xbox, but can anyone else confirm or deny this?

[_Q_]

My friend let me try it on the 360 before I bought for the ps3. When I got it we compared with pip/splitscreen then full each. On the 360 you can see more jaggies as the camera pans on the ferris wheel in the opening movie. In gameplay the two are very very close but the ps3 is just a bit smoother. Other than that no differences. Note: both were running on a sony Wseries 1080p model with hdmi

[Enterprise-E]

Amazing i learned nothing from this article. FLAME ON!!!

[Gitaroo]

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

found this old reponse to this reused of a OLD statement, gets pwned again

[byeGollum]

According to this article, in other words Halo 3 looks better then any game on our preciouSsSs

[gnothe1]

well i know i may come off like a xbox fanboy to most of you guys an i own a PS3, but why do most of you feel justified by posting SPECS. to me these specs mean NOTHING!! the question should be WHY does game A run better on system X when system Y SUPPOSED to be more powerful!!
answer these question

why does AC,DMC4,COD4 support better TEXTURES on the 360 when the PS3 supposed to be more powerful.

why does madden,skate,OB,grid,AC, jericho, dark sector, run at a worse frame rate on the PS3 than the 360 when the PS3 supposed to be more powerful

why does a game like GTA4 run at a lower resolution on the PS3 than the 360 when sony sent help to rockstar to make it better when the PS3 supposed to be more powerful!!

these are simple questions that i ask but nobody wants to answer but instead call me a fanboy an call the devs LAZY.

xbox 1 didnt have ANY problem running games built on the PS2 hardware an we all know the xbox got all the PS2 hand me downs, but it actually made them look better. madden an GTA looked better on the xbox 1 than they did on the PS2. so whats the excuse this time!!

edit: AVTO
do i really need to post the video comparison SHOWING the 360 version of DMC4 sports BETTER TEXTURE quality than the PS3 version do i really have to do that. an then you say MGS2, thats 1 game, ONE GAME, that was ported that didnt translate good over to the xbox 1.

slaugther!!quote from you
some of those games you listed are either trash or on par with the 360

thats the problem there either trash OR ON PAR.with 360 to PS3 ports there trash from PS3 to 360 ports there on par, see where im going with this. I have both systems that i compare all the time running on a 60 in 1080P SONY HDTV an right now the PS3 isnt SHOWING its more powerful, the 360 is with better performing games.

[Avto]

listen gnothe1 I don't know about others but DMC4 has the same textures on both. Now about Xbox and PS2 remember MGS2 Xbox could hardly run it with about million and one other glitches while the game was silky smooth 60fps on PS2.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

because in this article, the specs were called into question, and I used the said specs to call out the article's bullsh!t.

And besides, the system specs (GPU and CPU) are the vital organs of how the games perform. The specs have EVERYTHING to do with this.

Not to mention, to find so-called "better" textures, you'd have to look at every frame in all of those games with an electron microscope.

Not to mention some of those games you listed are either trash or on par with the 360, like DMC4 (sans install) and AC and COD4. I personally played through Dark Sector, and couldn't find a drop in frame rate on the PS3, and Jericho is trash, and we all found out how much better "GRID" really was on the 360 when GameTrailers used PS3 footage to supposedly display the "better crash physics" on the 360 version.

Granted, I'm not calling you a fanboy, and you brought up a valid point, but the system specs have EVERYTHING to do with how a game performs.

[robep3]

Its down to talent plain and simple when a game has a lazy port from
360 to PS3 you get problems its has to be programed to work with the Cell not AGAINST it.
Many early ports dont use the spe(spu) of the cell if you look at quotes for say Motorstorm or RFOM they are using a FRACTION on whats avaiable even KZ2 wont be pushing the PS3 to its limits yet.
Re games like Madden devs have said PS3 will run at 60FPS same as 360
NOW THEY have got to grips with it.

[The Wood]

just look at the first party games. Its really that simple. Inhouse vs Inhouse. And yes you sound a little like a fanboy:) kiddin. you have your preference and i have mine. I look at drakes and heavenly sword. I look at GT5p and MGS and i think that articles like this are there for entertainment only and are more suggestive than informative. Just show me something that looks as good as that gt5p 'demo' on the 360. Best graphics on the 360 was/is gears 1. If there's something better please let me know because im patient (i own a ps3 and patience comes with the territory)

[_Q_]

Funny how you don't mention burnout:Paradise And the answer to your question was answered much earliar. Its EASIER to PORT old or premade code to the 360 as opposed to designing a new code set for the PS3 as the threaded codes or premade codes arent always completely compatible with the PS3's processing structure. When you are accomplishing two of the same tasks on two different systems the edge is gonna go to the system the devs are more familiar with. That makes sense id say.

[Avto]

hey gnothe1 go ahead and show me your DMC4 video buy not the crap gametrailers used to do okey? And MGS2 was seriously well made and had Emotion Engine written all over it, all the problems this game had on Xbox would be common to all PS2 exclusive titles of this calibre be it MGS2 or MGS3. Have you ever seen DMC3SE on the best of modern PCs sure the resolution is higher, but the game runs bad and looks bad, a lot of effects are gone also.

[Dark General]

Actually just stop and look at the quality of textures and look for frame rate dips and whatnot? I mean i thought you'd be too busy enjoying the game itself than looking for evidence in your little debates over graphics. Some people take minimal differences and make them look like it's a world of difference. In reality if you were playing the game side by side with the consoles covered up you wouldn't know which one was which.

[DFresh]

Both games run 60FPS and play at 720P.
I really don't believe this article is accurate.
I know cuz I've played it and compared it.
Even though the Ps3 version as the better graphics it sold more on the 360 because of the larger install base.

[DevonTheDude535]

"Confirmation of this can be seen in the large number of games that "run smoothly at 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360, but struggle to run at 30 frames per second on the Playstation 3." That was a quote from Gamespot."

This was a quote about madden 08 not COD 4. Madden 09 and NCAA 09 both run at 60fps on both consoles.

[GameHero]

I like turtles!

[AngryTypingGuy]

Sony fans say that the 360 is holding back gaming because of storage limitations for the DVD 9, but it looks like the PS3 is holding back gaming even more so, strictly for performance reasons.

Tell Sony to quit holding back our multiplatform games!

[Common Sense]

You can't port a 360 game to the Ps3 and expect it to look good.

First of all, the 360's cpu is three core general purpose cpu which means it will run on any code no matter how crappy.

The PS3 runs on specialized code. It won't run very well on general purpose code.
PS3 to 360 ports however are better because 360 will still run specialized code for the PS3 with minor alterations because it uses a general purpose cpu.

Here's an analogy to clarify things.

360 is like C++. It's a general purpose language.
Ps3 is like SQL which is used for database programming. SQL will outperform C++ at database programming because it's specifically built for database programming but C++ will outperform SQL at programming operation systems because C++ is a general purpose language and SQL is a specialized language and will on program databases well.

In a nutshell, the 360 uses general purpose hardware so it runs any code even sloppy ones. The Ps3 uses specialized hardware so it requires specialized code.

The results are evident in Madden 08- a lazy port and exclusives such as Uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet and Clank and Heavenly Sword where their code are designed specifically for the PS3.
Porting 360 games to PS3 is like using FORTRAN or SQL to code an operating system.

[Isaac]

Even if the PS3 had less power which is not true, the only thing it would hold back would be lighting, color and minor graphical details, while the 360 is holding back the size of games, the amount of content we actually play. I am sure some lazy developers are happy that Xbox 360 does not allow them to go past the DVD9 limit since that way they can put the blame on Microsoft for making such a short game like Gears of War and GTA4.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Tards, 99% of games this gen are able to fit on DVD 9, exclusive or non-exclusive.

"First of all, the 360's cpu is three core general purpose cpu which means it will run on any code no matter how crappy.

The PS3 runs on specialized code. It won't run very well on general purpose code.
PS3 to 360 ports however are better because 360 will still run specialized code for the PS3 with minor alterations because it uses a general purpose cpu." -- Don't fault the 360 for being easier to program for. If a console is easier to program for, has better RAM and a better graphics card, then what the hell do you expect?

[DevonTheDude535]

"Sony fans say that the 360 is holding back gaming because of storage limitations for the DVD "

Explain to me why the Vice President of Rockstar North said that GTA 4 was scaled back due to DVD 9 limitations, and they champion Blu-ray for gaming (and said that the next iteration of GTA, probably Vice City, will be utilizing the size of Blu). Also EA and Kojima (Konami) champion Blu-ray as the best next gen disc medium.

"Tards, 99% of games this gen are able to fit on DVD 9, exclusive or non-exclusive.

Ever play Lost Oddsey on 360 w/ 5 DVD-9 discs.

"First of all, the 360's cpu is three core general purpose cpu which means it will run on any code no matter how crappy."

I swear the 360 is based on a dual core processor, the Ps3 has 8 cores if you didn't know. The 360 and PS3 can not run "any code" maybe you should go back to your computer science classes. Even the US Air Force
is utilizing the power of the cell processor to power their super computer (don't believe me check the web).

"The PS3 runs on specialized code. It won't run very well on general purpose code."

The PS3 uses C++ programing language, far from specialized, its widely used in windows based programs.

"Don't fault the 360 for being easier to program for. If a console is easier to program for, has better RAM and a better graphics card, then what the hell do you expect?"

The 360 is easier to program for because the software and the hardware are based on directx-9. Programing 360 games is essentially programing a 2004 windows PC game. Hence why Gabe Newell of Valve (a pc gaming company) champions the 360. Try explaining how 2004 PC hardware is superior compared to a proprietary chipset from 2006.

All I can say is that Sony is a hardware company first and Microsoft is a software company first, hence why PS3's hardware is superior and why the 360 has such a good dashboard and community interface.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Devon, I'm not disputing that BluRay is a better format than DVD 9. Anyone with half a brain knows that BluRay is superior. I'm just saying that for 99% of the games this gen, DVD 9 is fine. Lost Odyssey is in the 1% that won't fit on one DVD 9 disc, that's all. Even still, I'm willing to bet that is runs just fine on a DVD 9, but I can't say for sure because I've never played it. Microsoft would be foolish to not incorporate BluRay into their next console.

If the PS3 runs on specialized code, then good for PS3. The 360 is running most multiplatform games better. You'll never hear me say that the PS3 isn't a powerful console, there's no disputing that. But it is not lightyears ahead of the 360. Assuming the Cell processor is more powerful than the 360's processor, which I'm sure it is, doesn't make up for it having half the RAM ( http://www.videogamer.com/n...

And let's face it, games run and load just as well, if not better, without requiring that games be installed on the hard drive.

Do I really think Sony is holding back gaming? No, I just type things on here sometimes to deliberately P!ss people off, just for laughs. If you looks at most of my posts on these type of topics, you'll see that my responses are generally the same...each console has its strengths and weaknesses. Neither console is perfect or all-powerful.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I've yet to have a problem with COD4 on PS3.

[n00bzRtehgey]

strange, that has nothing to do with this article.

or maybe u missed the comparison shots posted last week or two?

[ThatCanadianGuy]

"COD4 is more of a burden on PS3 then on 360"

"Confirmation of this can be seen in the large number of games that "run smoothly at 60 frames per second on the Xbox 360, but struggle to run at 30 frames per second on the Playstation 3." That was a quote from Gamespot.

so yeah,If you'd pay attention ya f*ckin moron,you'd know COD4+PS3 are apart of this article,hence why i said i've yet to have a problem with COD4 on PS3.

"or maybe u missed the comparison shots posted last week or two?"

that's what doesnt have anything to do with this article.
Why must you contradict yourself in every comment you post?
Why are you so stupid?

[Matpan]

Both technologies have their pros and cons. I get that cell processing and the PS3 is virtually more powerfull than 360 architecture. And I say virtually in the views that no actual developer is fully milking it´s power out. Be it the need to recode everything for it or write with your head set into a different way of programming, the PS3 is actually a harder machine to program for. Sony is known for this as it kind of made the same kind of decision for the PS2, I recall back then how they spoke of the prowess the machine was capable of. I also remember the devs complaining about dev kits released too late (quite what happen this gen, correct me if wrong).

All in all this gives sony a mild advantage. In theory we have a very powerful machine, In reality, we have a machine which gets pumped out one step at a time and which shows a little more power year after year. By the end of the gen it will maybe maxed out. Probably by then the more "standard" pc classical tech will have eight folded it´s power (or maybe adopted some of this new tech and combine it giving a better result).

Don´t get me wrong, I have NOTHING against sony. Actually, I LOVE what they do... they just need to release dev kits earlier or get devs used to their upcoming techs in order to fully provide all the power their console is capable of as soon as possible.

Who knows... maybe after all this is actually Sony´s technique for their machine to be exploited little by little hence looking more actual thrughout it´s whole lifespan as devs take a little more out of it each time they make a new game...

Anyways, I didn´t know 360 almost doubled PS3 in raw poly count.

[mattolla]

The power of the 360 is apparent in Halo. Thats all that needs to be said.

Graphics are par at best. The PS3 cant make games look as good as Halo 3? ROFLMMFAO!(because it cant produce that many polygons)lol.

No one can deny that the gameplay is great in Halo3.
Guess what? PACKMAN has great gameplay.

Soooo why woudnt MS use ALL the power of the 360 for its flagship game?

[Fanboy Slaughter]

If you think Halo 3 is a testament to the 360's power, then you got some serious eye issues.

Even 360 fanboys have submitted to the fact that Halo is hardly a graphics powerhouse with it's 640p and bland environments. Yeah, gameplay is fine and good, but once again, the immature personality of your average XBL player rears it's ugly head in the form of what you just said.

If you said Gears of War, my reply may not have been as snide, but Halo 3 as a graphics threshold? The stupidity of that statement was mind-boggling.

[Asurastrike]

Fanboy Slaughter he is saying that since Halo isn't that good looking and it is their biggest game, that is the best they can do.

[uie4rhig]

I am sure that guy was being sarcastic

[PimpHandHappy]

MGS looks better then anything you have ever seen on the 360

[azmanmanz]

shall i borrow my ps3 to xbot owner to know which console is better? This site should have "new comer/junior gamer & older/experienced gamer" instead of gamer zone & open zone. Here a lot of kiddo, still sucking and and don't know anything.

[Fighter]

You know it's fake when the author only goes by his or her first name. Looks like we all just gave the site some free hits to make the person happy.

[ForROME]

This is true, Dreamcast Textures were much more colorful and sharp on Dreamcast then PS2, which in turn in the beg made the Dreamcast seem much cleaner and well built, however long run shows the PS2 had much more un tapped potential.

Its like 100m dash

first 50 meters 360 smoking however great out of the gate doesnt mean you win, PS3 over time will run over it in the long run. With that being said I do hope in the future SONY really starts to take note, build an easy to program system like you did the PS1

[Asurastrike]

Basing an argument off of a quote from Gamespot? lol this doesn't deserve to be flamebait.

[khellendros1]

The fact that this is coming from Gamespot and not a developer that's familiar with both consoles makes it hard to believe. Especially, considering that the PS3 has some of the most graphically impressive games of the generation. Why is Forza and PGR not able to do what GT5P was able to do the first time through?

[longbug]

Why do so many people rise to flamebait without bothering to even check their facts? Both MS and Sony made seemingly poor design choices and both machines struggle against the far superior (yet vastly more expensive) PC. The cell was primarily designed for multi processor servers. It aint too hot on its lonesome. Forget the SPUs, with only 1 cell, the system is so crippled, Sony wanted to use 2 but because of either cost or their inability to match a modern GPU had to bolt on a stock PC Nvidia card.
The 360 uses a hot triple core CPU that was already end of line and greatly surpassed by Intels dual core behemoths. The ATI while good for its day has an undersized Dram for AA purposes. Nice idea badly executed.
End of day, both companies made mistakes, both made wild claims about power. Both machines relatively similar on power. Enjoy them for what they are. Stop whingeing and being fanboyish about which is better.

[xg-ei8ht]

As much as i like both dreamcast,xbox,ps2.

Graphically, dreamcast and xbox were more powerful, dreamcast never reached it's full potential because of the system dyeing so soon.

On the subject of graphics,

Gears is a sweet looking game with bumpmapping,depth of field etc.

But it's easily done, on any system, christ i ran gears on a 6800gt with a single core amd 3500@ 1024x768@35-40fps.

I've since played gears on a amd dual core with a 1900xtx, and it smokes gears and then some. and you even get the option to turn the filter off, doesn't look grey anymore, but actually looks worse, that's what people mean, when they say, it's how a dev wants a game to look. Different strokes for different folks.

Everyone seems to want to compare Gears 2 vs Rfom2. Kinda silly when you think about it, a tps vs fps. Totally different engine. (gow2)One is going for close range, small amount of enemies, so high details apply.

The other is going for large environments, many enemies, and looking
more realistic. Not futuristic.

but both look good, and it all depends what your going for.

I've seen ut3 on both systems, and it is exactly the same.

Dmc4 is the same, cod4 is the same. Only diff is color calibration. turn on full white on ps3. It's a must.

Grid i've also played on pc and ps3,360 and all look excellent.

[poopface1]

can run orange box better than the ps3.

[Siqness]

yeah of course they will look the same because thts how the game is designed. Wht the article is saying is tht the 360 gets higher framerates..therefore it performs better

[poopface1]

WHY IS THIS NEWS, and who cares.

[kyzer1978]

It's falsifying information and the site looks completely fake.

[Jpinter]

Where is he getting his statistics from?

[andron]

I hear the next article will scientifically prove the existence of alien technology inside the 360. When unlocked it will unleash it's full power.

Simple math is all it takes...

[Andronicus]

its bs author got info from a bs source

[rbbrdman]

What/Who is productreviews.net???
Ehh... what do I care I've got both.

[Siqness]

Just because a console is more powerful doesnt mean it performs better..u cant look at facts and say its bullshit because the ps3 is more powerful...sony says the ps3 can pull 800 polygons but u will never see a game on the ps3 tht pulls off more thn 500.Every time an article like this with actual fact are put up and show the 360 outperforms the ps3...ps3 fanboys just come up and give specs to show the ps3 is more powerful...we Knoooooowww its more powerful...but tht power doesnt do anything.

[poopface1]

800 polygons. thats like 50 times more than snes.

[Spydr07]

W.H.O. C.A.R.E.S.? Both systems have great looking games. If it was ALL about graphics, Halo would suck and PCs would still be all the rave.

[aliveinboston]

How can we know this? Compare polygon heavy console exclusive games that are optimized for the hardware (unlike multiplatform games) for which we know the numbers. These are the theoretical peak polygons being processed for the cars on track in the following racing games.

PGR4: 100,000 per car x 12 cars x 30fps = 36M per second
GT5: 200,000 per car x 16 cars x 60fps = 192M per second

Anyone who has seen both games will tell you the GT5 cars really do look that much better. Add another 2M/frame each for the environments and youre look at well over 200M for GT5 and over 50M for PGR4. That's about 4-5 times the performance.

What about resolution in a game with similar shader load?

PGR4: 1280x720 x 30fps = 27.7M per second
GT5: 1280x1080 x 60fps = 82.8M per second

GT5 is churning out more than 2.5 times as many pixels under a similar per pixel shader load. Thats more than 150% more performance!

Again, anyone who's seen the games side by side will tell you GT5 really does look that much sharper and cleaner.

Just goes to show that when a game is optimized for the PS3, it will significantly outperform a game that has been optimized for the XBox360.

Unfortunately, COD4 was made for the XBox360 and ported to the PS3 with minimal resources applied. This is typical of multi-platform games this generation because the XBox360 was released first and therefore has a larger number of existing customers. However, now that the PS3 is outselling it by a large margin developer attitudes are also changing.

[Oner]

This is exactly what fanboys will not discuss nor admit to. All they do is say multiplat this or multiplat that....that does not give a good representation to the systems TRUE performance whether it be for/against the PS3/360.

Generally speaking multiplats are "better" looking on the 360....so? Then why do exclusive titles like Halo 3 look worse than some multiplat games that are BETTER on the 360 i.e. COD4 (etc.) and then their counterpart look better on the PS3 to boot?!....But back on topic, why is it when you point out certain games on the PS3 (GT5P, Uncharted, MGS4) there NEVER is any real proof/substantiating evidence that the 360 can out perform the PS3 when put up against the "best of the best" that in house/exclusive devs can code on their respective consoles?

It never ceases to amaze how certain types of people avoid such questions (poly FACTS, shader FACTS + just plain visual confirmation) and seem to just "sweep it under the rug" as if it just isn't so. It always boils down to deflection and no real proof only biased opinions or old misinformed conjecture that has been disproven many times before.

[Playboy89]

That article had something awfully familiar but I couldn't remember exactly what. However the last sentence "Thanks to Mike Zoran" gave it away. If you don't know who Michael Zoran is (and you are really curious),google it.

In a nutshell: he is a quite notorious Xbox/M$ fanboy, lots of his posts (the size of essays) had turned into articles in the past, his zeal to propagate the master console had inspired journalists into writing articles about him, he has contacted M$ trying (unsuccessfully) to convince them to hire him and he is mentally unstable.
Some of his many nicks he uses: "Thomas Brooks", "Kim Naroz", my personal favorite "Unbiased Technology Professor" and many more.

http://www.1up.com/do/blogE...
http://www.gamersreports.co...

[gnothe1]

nobody still hasnt answered the questions i asked earlier as to WHY the PS3 versions of game lack compared to the 360's. you guys can throw around all these specs an stats an say look at first party games all you want but that dont change that fact that PS3 GAMES LACK COMPARED TO 360'S. an consoles games are made up of atleat 75% multiplat games an THATS were the PS3 lacks the most.

somebody asked WHY PGR4 or forza dont look as good at the GT prologue game. simple!! If i didnt have to worry about CRASH PHYSICS an damage modeling then yeah I would pump the graphics through the roof. for that reason alone is why they have been able to make that game look so good all these years because all the systems resources are going towards the graphics an nothing else!!it RUMORED to be coming, but lets wait til it happens then make judgements.

also if you dont have both systems an PLAY AN COMPARE them regularly with the way there supposed to be compared on 1080p with RGB turned on an all the PS3 special setting dont try an argue with me about the way games look because your going off of hear say or videos when IM looking FOR MY SELF!!

anybody wanna play MGO add me :Gnothe1

[ngg12345]

I mean honestly, how the heck does this get approved? This articile is idiotic.

[segasage]

360>ps3

i already knew that.

[ParadoxicalAssassin]

dontchya mean 360 failure rate > than ps3's?

oh wait, i bet you already knew that huh buddy.

[CAPT IRISH]

lots of wild fanboys are lose and out of control

[JokesOnYou]

I should have microwaved some popcorn before I started, although this flamewar was predictable as usual I'd still rate it about a 8.5, damm it would got better marks but all those who posted tech spec's lowered the score, in fact who actually reads that wall of cut & paste crap? lmfao, I bet they believe somewhere in that text theres "proof" of something.

Trust me I've read plenty of them before and after both consoles launched= THEY PROVE NOTHING, when it comes to proving which will deliver better games, I can find tech spec's that say ps3 is more powerful and I can find tech specs that say 360 is better made for games, and blah, blah, blah= In the end nobody cares what the fcking paper says, the GAMES speak for themselves folks= the avg gamer doesn't give a damm about specs, you can keep screaming about specs all day long but at the end of the day Joe Gamer walks in the store and buys the game he wants for the console he owns, if its multiplat and owns both consoles, he likely already has a preference for one console over the other, after that I'm sure the ONLY thing that would persuade a dual console owner to opt for the version on the console he prefers less would be if the one version he prefers has some seriously technical flaws not present in the other version, thats it folks.

The bottom line is it put up or shut up for game devs, scream all you want about tech specs but the GAMES have and edge on 360 from what I've seen, according to some this was suppose to change awhile back, right now ps3 is suppose to be already showing its superiority, and Uncharted and MGS4 look great but Bioshock, COD4, ME all whole their own and Gears 1yr and half later still is the best of the bunch imo. Its funny that either camp would act as if the performance difference of these 2 consoles is anything more than minimum, stop fooling yourselves multiplats will always have trivial or minor differences unless the dev(not the console) just totally blew it and exclusives could be done on either console with the same minor differences found in multiplats, their quality will always just be about talent of devs/time/money and most importantly what games you prefer. Whatever the differnce in "raw power" is its minimum at best, if it wasn't then the games would show this, Right Now, so all this "but they need more time to figure out how to use it" is pure BS excuses, we heard that before, of course they still have a learning curve, every console does over it life cycle games get better on all consoles, better tools, better engines etc, ps3 devs will unlock more power, more tricks and so will 360 devs.

JOY

[n00bzRtehgey]

"It's simple math: The Xbox 360 can display approximately 500,000,000 polygons per second, compared to 275,000,000 polygons per second for the Playstation 3."

---LMFAO! and lets not also forget, the comparison shots show that the PS3rd version uses lower rez normal mapping cuz of the sh1t ram and lower shader fill-rate.

-HAAHAHAH ps3 am phale.

[Killa Aaron]

Another Bullsh!t Article

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

How come they don't explain Uncharted: Drake's Fortune with zero load times and no installs (using the first layer 25GB)? If Uncharted: Drake's Fortune can do it than multiplatform games can since it has to go on a DVD9. Is this the reason why Wardevil: Unleash the Best Within went exclusive to the PlayStation 3 at 1080p / 60fps? There is so much physical proof to contradict this article they even quote GameSpot, lol. What does GameSpot Editors know besides manipulating users?

[tojfs7931]

on how much cashhhhh microshaft pays the third party developer to make the game run crappy on the ps3.

[Solid_Skip]

COD IS A GREAT GAME AND IT LOOKS GREAT ON BOTH SYSTEMS THE END. I DONT CHECK THIS SITE FOR FLAME BAIT STUFF. JUST FOR GOOD INFO ON THE PS3 AND 360 NOT ON A GAME THAT CAME OUT ALMOST A YEAR AGO.

[Siqness]

Because its showing the 360 outperforming the supposedly more powerful console

[tojfs7931]

Who effen cares? Just play the damn game!

edit- note i didn't mean this in reference to the above poster.

[DJ]

The fact that they got the framerate wrong for Call of Duty just makes this all the more enjoyable. =]

[Rocko]

"bu..bu..but nothing looks better than MGS"

"360 games look like sh*t" BLAH BLAH.

MGS's cutscenes look great, the actual gameplay visuals aren't that awesome. Sh*t, Bad Company has better character models. As for 360 not having any graphical equals, Mass Effect and Gears say hello.

[iGrenade]

It's quite obvious you have never played MGS4 or don't know anything about it. It's probably both. MGS4 uses real-time cutscenes using the game's engine. It's how MGS has done it 10 years ago. And it's how it's still doing it today. You, my sir, are an ignorant fool. I can't believe bots are still sucking on Gears. Seriously, in-game models are exactly the same as in the cutscenes, Kojima said so himself... the only difference with the cutscenes are the shaky-cam and the fancy angles, along with more complicated lightings, to make the cutscene look more flashy.

[Rocko]

LMAO go do some more Uncharted d*ckriding lame@ss.

[CallOfWar22]

Yo wat happened Mr. Ken Kutaragi???? 360 holding back the PS3. Gta should be an exclusive to PS3 only so they show their true power? So who is truely next gen now??? Ouccccccccchh. I feel so bad for all u fools who kept saying 360 is holding PS3 back. Hahahahahahha. Eat em folks eat em. 360 FTW!!!!!!!!!!

[ElementX]

The PS3 has sh!tty AA. It relies on Sony's proprietary "Vaseline" filter to smooth out edges. Just google PS3 and vaseline. Yeah, that stuff you guys use when you bend over for Sony.

[SPECTRUX]

this article is the worst piece of sh!t i have ever read

[CallOfWar22]

Its so sad its just not even funny anymore. Whenever there is some negative news about PS3 you say its cuz of an Xbox fanboy. Some of you even said firmware 2.4 update mess up was xbox fanboys bullshitting. It never happened. I guess sony pulled it off for no reason. this explains why multiplatform games are better on 360. 360 didn't reach its limit with Gears. Just wait for Gears 2. Multiplayer GOTY!!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

old enough to have played games when power didn't matter. It was about fun. You used to be happy your friend had a different system, because when you got tired of playing your Genesis, you went to his house to play Super Nintendo. Playstation owners didn't give a damn when they had the weakest of the 3, but now power is all the rage. Play a game & enjoy it. What's so hard about that?

[a_cold_soul]

Mass effect > Drake Uncharted (A lot of screen tearing)

MGS4 (I don't know why sonyfagboys keep saying MGS4 is the best look game ever cause it not. I will say the charter models look really good but the environment look like sh*t. They very bland too the point where it is just pathetic. Also the game have SLOWDOWNS a plenty and the game run @ 30fps seem like the game go all the way down too 15fps at times. Also the 60mins cutscenes killed the game for me lmao and did I mention the really bad A.I.) < GOW2 (at least the everything look good and not just the charter models and it smooth and have no slowdown unless your online)

Heavenly sword (A pile of crap that got a lot of mixed reviews mostly being bad)

Halo 3 > Haze

Lair (LMAO liar was also a pile a crap that got bad review form just about ever web site there is)

GTp5 (lmao jaggies ever where and by the time the real thing come out forza 3 will be out lmao) < Forza motorsport 2

Final Fantasy 13 (look like ff13 has been downgraded http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3... < Star ocean the last hope real time http://www.staroceanthelast... for the 360

I own a ps3 but every since I had it I've been nothing but disappointed ps3 is nothing but hype. The only good game to me that are on the ps3 is also on the 360 which are mult-plat. The only reason I didn't get a 360 because of the whole rrod crap but now I wish I had taken that chance. Either way I will get a 360 right after they announce that price drop.

PSN ID: a_cold_soul

One last thing N4G is a sony fanboy hell hole.

[iGrenade]

I know that you know that your comment there was just... stupid. Seriously? "LOL JAGGIES EVERYWUR" "LMAO AT TIHS"

"OH HAY, EVURY1!!1!! I THINKS TAHT DIS GAME HER IS BETAR TAHN TIHS GAME DER BECAUSE LOL"

Sorry I don't want to waste my time picking out specfic games so I'm just gonna say it. PS3 exclusives > 360 exclusives. How's that? Don't like that, huh? "OH HAY YOU DUN GIV GUD REASONZ" Pshht. I wish I would've said that too.

By the way, I can't seem to find your PSN ID. But I'm having problems with my connections anyway, my brother screwed with the network.

[Jandre02]

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

Report this as spam...because thats what it is.

[Oner]

I still haven't seen an article pulled for spam/misinformation/bias yet...

[FPS nut]

Well it is the truth, plain and simple.

[The Goulet]

EXposed as fake...bots lose AGAIN...ahhahahahahah how can they lose that much?!!
AJHAAHAHAH all the bots do is LIE LIE LIE...ahahah wow so pathetic this is hilarious...this shows them for what they truly are...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHH so fucin pathetic...ahahahhaAHAHAHAHAH! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goulet

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Kinda makes you wonder..Of all the new 360 fanboy accounts up above,how many are the same person?

[aaron5829]

Ps3 is the suxxorzzzz...

OH, well, i guess i'll just go back to my room and play some MGS4 and GT5P..

Good day !

:P

[HelghastGeneral]

The crying has really started with metal gear solid 4 but that's just the beginning. What happens when god of war 3 comes out and killzone 2, Resistence 2, motorstorm 2, Final fantasy 13.

The developers who are making the ghostbusters game even stated awhile back that the 360 brought the game down. They said they could of had twice as many effects on the screen if it was ps3 exclusive.

Its the xbox 360 that has been bringing down every game just look at killzone 2 its the best looking shooter. The best thing i like about killzone 2 is when you shoot a helghast soldier he has animation getting shot or falling to the floor. Every other shooter they just fall straight to the floor with really bad animation. The ps3 is the true next gen system with blue ray and cell its too bad though we can only see them in exclusives.

Microsoft wants to be first in the next console war again because being first takes advantage of the developers. At least next time microsoft will be able to create a real system because 360 is the fakest system of all time that brought down a whole generation of games.

[GafferUK]

Another thing that made me laugh is the claim that COD4 uses 90% of PS3 power compared to 60% of the 360's power. Surely that statement alone is confirmation that this article was written by a tard.

I don't think there is a game out there that uses 90% of the PS3's power, by this I mean Cell and RSX combined. I believe that to utilise the full power of the Cell all of the SPU's must be utilised.

From what I have read no game uses all of the 6 available SPU's, I think KillZone 2 only uses 4 but that will most likely change by release.

With regards to RAM, I am no expert but isn't the 256mb XDR RAM in PS3 much faster than the other 256mb and the 360 RAM. I'm no expert but doesn't this mean data can be pumped in and out at a much faster rate?

[xboxftw]

NObody uses spu cuz they are crap to progrm for. They are cripple poor man's cores. They are not real core there is only one core and then small offshoots. If you had seven hands would us use all to jerk off? u only use the strong one and in case of cell there is only one core compared to 3 fully functional cores of 360.

[onyxbox]

until one system shows a clear difference then these comparisons are just for the pixel & frame counting OCD fanbois.

So far all I see is they're about neck and neck and neither is really pulling ahaead in terms of performance.

[JaPo]

People always seem to ignore Gears when comparing PS3 to the 360. Uncharted is a spectacular looking game, right up there with Gears, but I don't think MGS is such the graphical powerhouse that everyone claims it is. The textures and motion blur in Gears are second to none, whereas in MGS these are pretty mediocre.

Gears of War is superior graphically to MGS but that's not to say it creates a better atmosphere and is more versatile. It isn't.

The writer of the article is clearly simply a reactionary idiot and his theoretical fantasism should not be acknowledged. It's just BS.

Let's face it. Everybody knows that when the PS3 is the chief platform everyone gets a better deal. It's just that this isn't necessarily financially viable for some developers.

@Dannagar: hahahahaha look at you, you're a cretin! Go home!

Plus, Resistance 2 is by no stretch going to beat GOW2 in the graphics runnings. PSW magazine stated the graphics are nothing to call home about.

[Siqness]

Yeah exactly...ppl who thk mgs4 has amazing graphics are just a little bit excited about the game. GoW came out 2 years ago and the details are so much better.

[Lex Luthor]

Thats true MGS4 sometimes has suprising bland and poor textures in game and even during cutscenes.

[Varsarus]

500 million polygons?

Do people think the 360 will do that to a game EVER??, with the limitations of it's CPU....

Sorry, but their getting that spec from a completely old and untrusted sheet.

[xboxftw]

LMAO.. Toystory graphics. Yeah ever watched a pixar movie? not even 100 ps3s can do a single frame render of that quality in 1 hour. Cell cell cell same B$hit hype of emotion engine for ps2.

[Lex Luthor]

Ps3 version holding the 360 back, it woul dbe interesting to see what would of happened if the game was made solely for 360.

[thereapersson]

Read THIS:

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

The article disproving this failed approval because it was a blog post, but the blog entry itself is legit.

[cliffbo]

what utter crap

[hrusa2]

this article is BULLSHIT. this is all what can i say

[Kratos3452]

Multiplatform developers are always saying that if a ps3 game was exclusive they could make it so much better but since it has to go on 360 they have to hold back.

[a_cold_soul]

iGrenade are you slow? How can you not find my PSN ID? It's a_cold_soul is it that hard for you to understand?

Also 360>PS3 How's that? Don't like that huh?

You fu*king GEEK! Everything I said was my opinion why are going to cry over my opinion? Also if you don't like it then go f*ck your self.

God I hate you geeks! you come on the internet and think your gods. I wish I could meet you in person so you can tell me all that crap to my face.

[iGrenade]

Calling me a geek? For what? How the hell would you know what I am? First of all, you're the one coming in here and start to flame and bash... it seems like you dedicate yourself to this thing... you know what that sounds like? A geek. Now that's my justification. I want yours. You clearly have nothing to back yourself up bro. Anyone can rant all day without giving any evidence, and by itself is just screaming fanboyism. I know you're hurt by people calling you a "GEEK" and want to take it upon yourself to do the same at random people on the internet. Don't cry geek, don't cry. BTW, how was that crying? I just told you that it was one of the stupidest things I've ever read in my entire life. Don't try to act childish and by calling me a geek... Also PS3>360 don't like that huh? I can't believe you would just copy me like that... give us a call back when you hit puberty kid.

[Tainted Gene]

From IGN.com

"Uncharted" 2007
9.0 Graphics
"There's no doubt the game looks great and that the use of in-game assets for the movies is seamless transition, but there's still a fair amount of screen tearing and texture pop in."

"Gears of War" 2006
10 Graphics
"The most beautiful game on the Xbox 360. Amazing attention to detail and vibrant, diverse environments make for a feast for the eyes, even on a standard-definition set."

"Resistance" 2007
9.0 Presentation
"Insomniac has created a compelling mythos and the unique blend of World War II-level battles with alien technology is a great mix. Expect load times only at the beginning of stages."

also

"GT5 prologue" 2008
9.0 Graphics
"The in-car view is fantastic, and the lighting models are awesome. There are some lingering filtering issues here and there, but it looks amazing overall"

"Bioshock" 2007
9.5 Graphics
It may not be as technically impressive as Gears of War, but the art style, animations, and special effects create an unparalleled sense of mood and believability.

1st year games for both PS3 and X360,except GT5 and Bioshock (I know Resistance is launch, but still first year)...................
Just to let you know none of the PS3 "best games" touch the 10 point mark for graphics. the only game that could do it and also the only reasoning i purchased the MGS4 bundle is...

"MGS4" 2008
10 Graphics
"Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made."

^^and I wholeheartedly agree I've never seen such detail in my life (Great game, best in the whole series, and the epilogue was the best part for me..."back to zero"). MGS4, totally worth the PS3 bundle purchase, but sadly that's the only thing that make any PS3 worth having (in other words no free MGS4, not worth it).

So I call them as I see them (w/IGN.com help) I can't stand it when people say Uncharted, GT%, etc are (except MGS4) the best in graphics...don't get me wrong they're damn good but not the best in the least. Don't believe me ....just look at the above info.

[Oner]

Have you actually played/seen Uncharted or GT5P on an HD set @ 1080p? Plus your info is from a known biased site as well as most gamers have WAY different views then what aa website says....There is no way Gears looks any where as good as this

[Tainted Gene]

Yes i have played Uncharted, got passed the zombie creatures. I haven't played GT5 though. I also have a 32 inch samsung hdtv and I was impressed with the Uncharted graphics but compared to GEars and especially MGS4 it not even a close call in the least. I love Gears but i can say MGS4 graphics are one step above Gears (mostly due to Gears' unique style with body and facial expression while MGS4 is completely realistic in that regard).

[THC CELL]

alone in dark was delayed cause they wanted more items god bless blu ray
and bioshock will look a lot better
i really hope they add mp

x box need to quit now
there going to bring x box 7 what ever they forget ps3 is future proof
ps4 will not be mess with this time round