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Using Sony's Playbook, Microsoft Will Attempt Xbox One's Turnaround

Today, Microsoft unleashed a torrent of news about Xbox One, tacitly revealing that it's learned plenty of lessons over the past six months. Its new console is experiencing success in the market, with over five million consoles shipped so far.

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gary_m3663d ago (Edited 3663d ago )

Typical garbage coming from the fanboys at IGN.

The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million.

Sony's first price cut was thanks to the bleeding edge and incredibly expensive Blu-Ray diodes dropping in price to manufacture.

Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch.

DLConspiracy3663d ago

Just wanted to add that some of your numbers seem a bit off.

Xbox 360 2006 Total Units was 5 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

PS3 2007 Total units was 3.61

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

While PS3 may have sold more in sales they did not sell more units. So it was just shy of 2 million in profit in comparison.

Also from what has been reported in many editorials. The Xbox One is about 4.3 million units or more past that sold. If you trust VGcharts it's sitting about 4.5 million units sold and PS4 is about 7.5 million units sold as of May 3rd.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Just trying to be factual so we can all debate and spread proper information.

With all that said. I enjoy both consoles and this time around I don't have to worry about exclusives on either console. I realize that people are passionate about this stuff, but in the end if one of your friends had the other console you would sit down and play with them.

NewMonday3663d ago

@DLConspiracy

Sorry you can't be factual using VGChartz numbers

As for MS, they don't have a full year head start this time to build a lead, the best they can hop for even after cutting the price to $300 is a 1:1 ratio in NA and UK, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are simply unwinnable.

And even the console sales will not bring much profit, because the XB1 will be the "second system" to only play occasional exclusives, gamers will naturally by 3rd party games on the superior system, that also means PSN will be the main service and few will pay for a second subscription in XBL

DLConspiracy3662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

@NewMonday

I did say "If you trust VGcharts". I would say that's a lot more reputable than ZERO links and assumptions. The only link from VGchartz is current sales.

Consoles make money on the front end, but successful is breaking even in the hardware. I have said it numerous times but these consoles are now digital money boxes. That means the money they make on the back end outweighs the front in cost.

As it stands, I still prefer XBL over PSN. Chat quality is better for me there, but you have to own both to really know what I mean. No, it's not the mic I used. NO, it's not the headphones I have. Yes, I have tried everything I could but there is no work around.

Either way. it's a different experience for both. My PS4 is a nice single player box though.

truefan13662d ago

Are we just going to ignore direct ways sony has copied MSFT:
-internal hard drives
-psn modeled after xbl
-Indies self publishing from xbox arcade
-Apps on consoles
-PC like architecture
-trophies directly copied from achievements
-party chat
-Controller triggers

MSFT has brought a lot to the gaming industry, whether you like them or not.

sonarus3662d ago

i love how quick it is to dismiss vg chartz now when their data doesn't align with ones opinion.

I will be getting an xbox one at some point this summer more than likely. The ability to integrate seamlessly with cable is something that appeals to me somewhat especially now that some of the stuff behind the pay wall is coming out to play for free. However i will likely still do 90% of gaming on PS4 primarily due to personal preference

gary_m3662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

LOL at linking to fake vgchartz numbers...

PS3 first year sales: 10.5 million
Xbox 360 first year sales: 8.5 million

The irony of someone trying use fake vgchartz numbers for the Xbox 360 is hilarious.

The hardcore Xbox fan who started the fake sales site did so for trying to use Microsoft's 'ship' numbers to retailers in an attempt to pretend they had 'sold' 10 million Xbox 360s in its first year on neogaf.

The neogaf admins perma-banned him for it and he ran off to create his fake sales site vgchartz so that no one could stop him.

choujij3662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

@DLC Excuse me CF, those xbox figures are shipped, not sold.

@TF1 The PS2 (which launched before Xbox) included a HD bay to internally install a harddrive.

The triggers were directly ripped off from the Dreamcast controller, like many of the controllers buttons.

ramiuk13662d ago

thats SOLD TO RETAIL
sont has sold that many because stocks are still limited 7 months after release.
i would expect xbone to be below 4million,infact sales must be really bad for MS to do all the things they have done period!!

BlackTar1873662d ago

Truefan,

Dude
You realize most of your list has nothing to do with MS and almost all to do with the evolution of home consoles right?

It's like saying everyone copied Dreamcast or whoever had internet in the consoles first. It's not true no one copied they are industry standards thus they are natural evolution in the medium and not able to be tied to one company. 1st doesn't always make you founder.

gary_m3662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

"trophies directly copied from achievements"

LOL!

http://www.darkspyro.net/ye...

Microsoft ripped off Sony's Spyro the Dragon's Sill Point system and just renamed it

"You've earned a Skill Point"

"You've unlocked a achievement"

DLConspiracy3662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

@gary_m

Sorry then. I wasn't aware of a several year long debate about something that happened on Neogaf sometime ago once on a forum... I guess I should look for these numbers on Neogaf the one true place for information? I assure you I wasn't posting to belittle you and thought I responded quite politely to you.

OK, So where did your get your original figures? To back up your numbers? I can't find those figures anywhere.

"The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million."

Then there is this.

"Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch."

NPD (US numbers only?)

I see that you won't be able to respond back now, but perhaps someone else can fill me in on good ol' gary_m magical numbers. Links generally help at the start of the conversation so that we can choose to berate you or not based on your links you search online for.

BlackTar1873662d ago

Hi DL,

I'm not going to pretend like the #'s i'm abotu to provide are fact. I have no idea and hosnetly don't care enough to validate my post(I know what a lazy POS i am) but according to wiki

PS3
Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2006) to Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2007) PS3 sold : 10.53 Million

360
Quarter 2 (ending December 31, 2005) to Quarter 2 (ending Dec 31, 2006) 360Sold:7.6 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

My Source. Again if these are wrong sorry again i did not fact check these with anything i typed in PS3 first year sales and xbox 360 first year sales and cliked the first link on both which was the same wiki

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user95970823662d ago

You're what's wrong with the online gaming community

Manic20143662d ago (Edited 3662d ago )

I think your predictions are way off, to be honest,

XiSasukeUchiha3662d ago

@Truefan

Honestly just give it up, Sony has the better rep so any, and any arguments will be useless.

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barb_wire3662d ago

If you want fanboy logic you should check out GAF.. some truely delusional people over there.

There are a number of threads open over there and after the announcement, the fanboys were making comments that the XB1 will retake the lead next month in NA and all of Europe by July.. and then they start yakking on about just wait until the cloud is turned on and DX12 comes out..

It's kinda sad that there are people like this nowadays.. what MS did yesterday was good but they still have a long way to go. baby steps.

mochachino3662d ago

Xbox has been 500 with Kinect and Titanfall and barely matched PS4. Everyone has to buy a game so it was really $440 with Kinect. The price drop is about $40 bucks in reality but I think many rather just pay the $40 to have the Kinect included. I don't even like Kinect and I'd pay $40 for it just for OS usage.

SteamPowered3662d ago

Well I may as well use my kinect as a doorstop. The support for it went from half-ass to full stop.

Death3662d ago

Sadly I have to agree with you on that. Support has been very slow with a 100% attach rate. Now that Kinect will no longer come with the hardware support is all but gone. They might as well offer a trade in program where you send your Kinect in and they send you a couple free PS4 games.

RiPPn3662d ago

Yeah it's pretty much a $100 harmony remote now with a camera and mic. Oh well, I won't be early adopting a Microsoft product again anytime soon, that's for sure.

Mugen903662d ago

I just know both systems have their strengths, weaknesses, and games they're known for. I made the mistake of getting a 360 because I like more adventure games, with the 360 it had much more action/FPS games compared to the PS3.

This time around I'm def getting a PS4 because I know down the line it will have more game styles I like compared to the Xbox One

MysticStrummer3662d ago

What they can't change is that XB1 was designed around a mandatory peripheral which they're now removing, and they sacrificed power in the name of that design. They won't be freeing up much in the way of system resources by dropping Kinect because they'll be selling it as an add on, and also that would really rub the early adopters the wrong way. Imagine the backlash...

I bet any dev who is in the middle of working on a Kinect game is in shock.

jmc88883662d ago

They shouldn't. Microsoft's unreal position about Kinect should not of been trusted. It was obvious to any 5 year old Forrest Gump with his head bashed in with a baseball bat what was going to happen.

Many people even thought it would be gone by E3, and it will be.

Remember folks, even with the mandatory inclusion, what games have come out for it? Barely anything.

Anyone that wants one, because a developer actually finds a cool use for it, can buy one. If not, then there is no reason to have one.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Kinectless version still have a microphone. If it doesn't, Microsoft screwed up, because a $2 microphone can do 90 percent of what Kinect is usually asked to do in UI/games... Voice commands.

I know Microsoft said it was integral, but we all knew that was pure propaganda. Spin words don't change reality, and while Microsoft is a big corporation, they can't escape reality either.

I don't think this is the end for it, I think now it will have to live with it's ACTUAL utility. There is some, it's just niche. Microsoft wanted desperately for it to become a big way to play for everyone, but instead it's just a niche product. The fact they didn't realize this by 2013 is absolutely shocking. Like that Japanese WWII soldier who was marooned on the Philippines still thinking the war was on...in 1974!

It's like the TBTF banks. We bail them out with trillions of dollars to prop up their fraudulent and worthless derivatives but if we pulled away support we'd find that everything from 2008 is there and actually much worse, and all the big banks are insolvent (or broke and should be out of business). This is basically what Microsoft is doing, creating a fake environment for Kinect.

But we can separate the good from the bad with Glass-Steagall. So then you don't have the crap dragging down what's real, nor confiscate it through bail-in.

Same thing here. Instead of creating a completely fake situation, like pretending that if people have Kinect they'll use it. No, not really. Microsoft could claim that XX millions of people have Kinect, therefore you have all these people able to play your Kinect games.... in reality that number is bogus.

Most people don't want to play Kinect games, thus all those numbers the devs are supposed to rely on are FAKE FAKE FAKE. So the whole install base thing is complete bs.

If I was a dev, I would want TRUE numbers. I want to know how many people want to game with Kinect, not overall numbers. Because while they may have sold ~4 million Xbox One's....and have 4 million Kinect2's in the wild....how many of those are Kinect game players?

1 million? 500,000? 150,000?

What if you take away the casual people who were just trying it out?

N4g_null3662d ago

It's funny you bring up tbtf banks and no one mentioned sonys 1.4 billion lost. 74 million was on the games division. People are jumping ship. The system is collecting dust. If the kinect 2 cases the xbone a problem then it wouldn't be any different for the ps4 camera also.

If you think ms can't catch up to a sinking ship then you are wrong.

I know the ps fans wish that was nintendo that lost that much.... Yet that was sony. It's going to be hard to bribe 3rd party with no cash. Square is no longer under sony. They are not done cutting ethier.

Right now their banking section earn 65 percent of their profits not the ps gaming division. The days of the Walkman are gone fanboys. Sony is face first floating in the water. All the bad pr against ms and Nintendo won't get you anywhere.

jmc88883662d ago

What are the numbers the actual game dev's can use to determine whether or not to make a product?

Dev's should realize this, it isn't rocket science. Kinect2 sold separately will give Kinect devs a much better picture of big their audience really is. Because if you pay for it, you know it is far more likely to be used.

Kinect Sports Rivals isn't even in the Amazon top 100! In fact if you highlight JUST FOR XBOX ONE STUFF...it is the #30 highest selling Xbox One thing. 29 other Xbox One things are selling more, including lots of peripherals and pre-orders.

To be fair I think SNAP was the reason they went with DDR3, which meant they needed ESRAM (even if they could only fit 1/2-1/4th of the ESRAM they needed into the Xbox One).

But yeah, still the COGS might have led to a different direction if they didn't have the cost of Kinect in there.

But the devs should have known what they were walking into. Motion gaming has been dead for years. Wii/PS3/360 all showed this. That's what is crazy. Microsoft had years of data showcasing the public's waning interest motion gaming across all platforms, and they decide to force it on the customer. Every dev that didn't see the writing on the wall was dumber then a box of doorknobs. Just because Microsoft tells you to believe in Unicorns, doesn't make it a legitimate excuse for you to believe in Unicorns.

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Microsoft to Add Copilot AI to Video Games

Microsoft recently revealed its plans to incorporate Copilot directly into video games, with Minecraft being the first showcased example.

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Fishy Fingers3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

F*** AI

"Hey Copilot, what's a good meme to prove I dislike AI".... https://giphy.com/clips/sou...

Einhander19723d ago

Two trillion dollar company that just can't wait to put as many people possible out of work as fast as possible.

It feels like every single thing they do is making gaming worse and destroying the industry.

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darthv722d ago

....you know it takes people to program the AI.... right? It isnt like it is sentient. We haven't reach skynet level of situation or anywhere close to the matrix just yet.

That's next Thursday.

Einhander19722d ago (Edited 2d ago )

It takes a people to program the AI then that AI is used for who knows how many games eliminating countless jobs which only grows as AI is used for more and more game creation functions.

What you're saying is so ridiculously short sighted and truly larking any kind of understanding and foresight.

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CaptainFaisal2d ago

Why all the hate? Im actually excited about this! Always wanted this kind of immersion, and an AI companion with me all the time helping me out knowing the status of my skills/inventory/progress and giving me tips on the best approach or how to craft something specific is game changing for the industry.

Hate all you want about AI, but this is just the start and I can see the potential already. You wont be complaining in the next 5-10 years about this, but rather complain if a game hasn’t implemented it.

MrDead2d ago

Yes we can't wait for the work of others to be used without the need to pay them so that MS can profit even more from the people they fire.

I_am_Batman2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There is no chance I'd ever use something like this, especially if it's not part of the core game design, but a layer on top of it. It's way too much handholding. Many games already feel like busy work, because they don't let the player figure things out on their own. Having a real-time interactive guide defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place in my opinion.

If this were to become the standard like you predict, we'll see more and more video games get away with bad design, because people will just be used to ask for help from the AI companion anyway.

Number1TailzFan2d ago

Well Nintendo don't need this with some of their games these days, with invincible characters, items, easy bosses etc.. they do the hand holding built in

helicoptergirl2d ago

Takes "hand holding" in games to a whole new level.

BlackDoomAx1d 12h ago

Because human nature xD Almost every new technology had these kind of comments.

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Activision team is opening a new game studio in Poland 'Elsewhere Entertainment' to build new AAA IP

Microsoft's Activision subsidiary announced today that it is opening a new game development studio to take advantage of the huge talent pool growing in Poland. It'll be the second Activision studio based in the region, joining Infinity Ward Krakow, although this studio is, in fact, not working on Call of Duty.

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They’re not working on Call of Duty? Give it time.

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Microsoft's quest for short-term $$$ is doing long-term damage to Windows, Surface, Xbox, and beyond

Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation, and it all revolves around Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood's plans to increase every department's margins.

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"The plan to move Xbox games to other platforms is codenamed "Latitude" internally, and I know there's debate and unease at Microsoft about whether or not this is a good idea. More upcoming Microsoft-owned games slated for PlayStation are already being developed. At least for now, they're potentially obvious games you'd most likely expect. And yes, while it's true Microsoft is a prolific publisher on PlayStation already, it has typically revolved around specific franchises like Minecraft. From what I've heard, Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation, and it all revolves around Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood's mandate to increase every department's margins. "

Yeah, they are going to kill Xbox hardware.

Xeofate8d ago

"Yeah, they are going to kill Xbox hardware."

It's for the best.

Quit stringing along xbox fans and screwing over PlayStation owners.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

Take good care of those Xboxes if you have 'em ...

outsider16248d ago

An Xbox game on a Playstation. Never in my years of gaming did i ever thought this was gonna happen.

jznrpg8d ago

It is dying anyway so doesn’t make much of a difference

VersusDMC8d ago

No way can they get rid of the hardware as probably 90% of game pass subscribers are hardware users.

Highly doubtful those users will move to PC or Cloud to subscribe there and the competition (Sony and Nin) will never have gamepass on their system.

If they want to keep the current subscribers, they need to keep releasing new hardware.

PSPSA7d ago

I'm not convinced, why then announce that they're actually working on the next-generation Xbox with “the largest technical leap”, and also looking into handhelds now?

Rols7d ago

Not like MS don’t drop things a hot potato if it is not performing. Look at MS history to see products or platforms discontinued. Xbox is not a charity for MS, it needs to make money and the ABK was the last roll of the dice for Xbox.

purple1017d ago

Xbox hardware team members have been incorporated into surface team

This perhaps shows they are not expecting big things from Xbox as a separate entity

Abear217d ago

Seems like they are planning to win next gen. All the acquisitions were this generation and nobody except Xbox fans expect games from the acquisitions any time soon.

I’m sure Microsoft can afford to lose money on the short term, pretty sure they do risk assessment when acquiring many companies and spending billions, they’ll be fine lol.

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gold_drake8d ago

i think it will kill off the xbox brand. windows will be fine.

but there is and would be a chance that xbox might be killed off in the future. if they fail to make the money they put in. imo.

S2Killinit8d ago

They wont kill it, but they will go fully PC while keeping xbox as a brand, and go multiplatform for the most part. They will also work tirelessly to diminish console gaming’s importance.

PRIMORDUS8d ago

It would be best if Xbox goes the way of Sega, just make and publish games. I know I myself will not support them at all with buying games from them, you all can. 🙃

ChasterMies8d ago

The Xbox brand will live for the games. I don’t expect Microsoft to entirely drop out of gaming hardware. They make Surface tablets and laptops. They’ll make Xbox branded hardware for those that want it.

shadowT8d ago

"Microsoft is pushing for no "red line" for what games could come to PlayStation"

Forza and Starfield next?

Skuletor8d ago

Starfield would be no surprise and there's the rumor that it will come to Playstation after the Shattered Space DLC, Forza (along with Halo and Gears of War) I find less likely but I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually end up on PlayStation too, especially if Xbox give up on hardware and go the Sega route.

shinoff21838d ago

Not to worried about forza. I'd rather see others like what inxile and obsidian are working on. Starfield sounds like it needs more time in the oven so let it cook first imo. If starfield and it's a small if does release on ps it'll be in the fall around the time for dlc or right at the dlc and come packaged with it.

-Foxtrot8d ago

In the words of Phil Spencer when he was talking about Nintendo last year

“It's just taking a long time for Microsoft to see that their future exists off of their own hardware"

S2Killinit8d ago

Yup. MS are a cancer to console gaming.

Aloymetal8d ago

100%!!
I wonder what happened to that dude that was always here posting those court articles with cartoons about MS spending all those billions in studios. He suddenly disappeared, I guess he doesn't like bad news when the green brand is in trouble. No new articles from him as of late...

PRIMORDUS8d ago

Yup, and it's only going to keep spreading.

Outside_ofthe_Box8d ago

Phil Spencer's words always comes back to bite him lol

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