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Using Sony's Playbook, Microsoft Will Attempt Xbox One's Turnaround

Today, Microsoft unleashed a torrent of news about Xbox One, tacitly revealing that it's learned plenty of lessons over the past six months. Its new console is experiencing success in the market, with over five million consoles shipped so far.

gary_m3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

Typical garbage coming from the fanboys at IGN.

The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million.

Sony's first price cut was thanks to the bleeding edge and incredibly expensive Blu-Ray diodes dropping in price to manufacture.

Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch.

DLConspiracy3650d ago

Just wanted to add that some of your numbers seem a bit off.

Xbox 360 2006 Total Units was 5 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

PS3 2007 Total units was 3.61

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

While PS3 may have sold more in sales they did not sell more units. So it was just shy of 2 million in profit in comparison.

Also from what has been reported in many editorials. The Xbox One is about 4.3 million units or more past that sold. If you trust VGcharts it's sitting about 4.5 million units sold and PS4 is about 7.5 million units sold as of May 3rd.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Just trying to be factual so we can all debate and spread proper information.

With all that said. I enjoy both consoles and this time around I don't have to worry about exclusives on either console. I realize that people are passionate about this stuff, but in the end if one of your friends had the other console you would sit down and play with them.

NewMonday3650d ago

@DLConspiracy

Sorry you can't be factual using VGChartz numbers

As for MS, they don't have a full year head start this time to build a lead, the best they can hop for even after cutting the price to $300 is a 1:1 ratio in NA and UK, Europe, Japan and the rest of the world are simply unwinnable.

And even the console sales will not bring much profit, because the XB1 will be the "second system" to only play occasional exclusives, gamers will naturally by 3rd party games on the superior system, that also means PSN will be the main service and few will pay for a second subscription in XBL

DLConspiracy3650d ago (Edited 3650d ago )

@NewMonday

I did say "If you trust VGcharts". I would say that's a lot more reputable than ZERO links and assumptions. The only link from VGchartz is current sales.

Consoles make money on the front end, but successful is breaking even in the hardware. I have said it numerous times but these consoles are now digital money boxes. That means the money they make on the back end outweighs the front in cost.

As it stands, I still prefer XBL over PSN. Chat quality is better for me there, but you have to own both to really know what I mean. No, it's not the mic I used. NO, it's not the headphones I have. Yes, I have tried everything I could but there is no work around.

Either way. it's a different experience for both. My PS4 is a nice single player box though.

truefan13650d ago

Are we just going to ignore direct ways sony has copied MSFT:
-internal hard drives
-psn modeled after xbl
-Indies self publishing from xbox arcade
-Apps on consoles
-PC like architecture
-trophies directly copied from achievements
-party chat
-Controller triggers

MSFT has brought a lot to the gaming industry, whether you like them or not.

sonarus3649d ago

i love how quick it is to dismiss vg chartz now when their data doesn't align with ones opinion.

I will be getting an xbox one at some point this summer more than likely. The ability to integrate seamlessly with cable is something that appeals to me somewhat especially now that some of the stuff behind the pay wall is coming out to play for free. However i will likely still do 90% of gaming on PS4 primarily due to personal preference

gary_m3649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

LOL at linking to fake vgchartz numbers...

PS3 first year sales: 10.5 million
Xbox 360 first year sales: 8.5 million

The irony of someone trying use fake vgchartz numbers for the Xbox 360 is hilarious.

The hardcore Xbox fan who started the fake sales site did so for trying to use Microsoft's 'ship' numbers to retailers in an attempt to pretend they had 'sold' 10 million Xbox 360s in its first year on neogaf.

The neogaf admins perma-banned him for it and he ran off to create his fake sales site vgchartz so that no one could stop him.

choujij3649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

@DLC Excuse me CF, those xbox figures are shipped, not sold.

@TF1 The PS2 (which launched before Xbox) included a HD bay to internally install a harddrive.

The triggers were directly ripped off from the Dreamcast controller, like many of the controllers buttons.

ramiuk13649d ago

thats SOLD TO RETAIL
sont has sold that many because stocks are still limited 7 months after release.
i would expect xbone to be below 4million,infact sales must be really bad for MS to do all the things they have done period!!

BlackTar1873649d ago

Truefan,

Dude
You realize most of your list has nothing to do with MS and almost all to do with the evolution of home consoles right?

It's like saying everyone copied Dreamcast or whoever had internet in the consoles first. It's not true no one copied they are industry standards thus they are natural evolution in the medium and not able to be tied to one company. 1st doesn't always make you founder.

gary_m3649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

"trophies directly copied from achievements"

LOL!

http://www.darkspyro.net/ye...

Microsoft ripped off Sony's Spyro the Dragon's Sill Point system and just renamed it

"You've earned a Skill Point"

"You've unlocked a achievement"

DLConspiracy3649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

@gary_m

Sorry then. I wasn't aware of a several year long debate about something that happened on Neogaf sometime ago once on a forum... I guess I should look for these numbers on Neogaf the one true place for information? I assure you I wasn't posting to belittle you and thought I responded quite politely to you.

OK, So where did your get your original figures? To back up your numbers? I can't find those figures anywhere.

"The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by over 2 million units in its very first year on the market while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The Xbox One is getting absolutely destroyed by the PS4 in worldwide sales. The PS4 is already over 8 million while the Xbox One is around 3.8 to 3.9 million."

Then there is this.

"Microsoft's first price cut...just wait for NPD on Thursday. It will be obvious why this desperation dumping of Kinect and slashing of the Xbox One's price is happening just six months after launch."

NPD (US numbers only?)

I see that you won't be able to respond back now, but perhaps someone else can fill me in on good ol' gary_m magical numbers. Links generally help at the start of the conversation so that we can choose to berate you or not based on your links you search online for.

BlackTar1873649d ago

Hi DL,

I'm not going to pretend like the #'s i'm abotu to provide are fact. I have no idea and hosnetly don't care enough to validate my post(I know what a lazy POS i am) but according to wiki

PS3
Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2006) to Quarter 3 (ending Dec 31, 2007) PS3 sold : 10.53 Million

360
Quarter 2 (ending December 31, 2005) to Quarter 2 (ending Dec 31, 2006) 360Sold:7.6 Million

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

My Source. Again if these are wrong sorry again i did not fact check these with anything i typed in PS3 first year sales and xbox 360 first year sales and cliked the first link on both which was the same wiki

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user95970823649d ago

You're what's wrong with the online gaming community

Manic20143649d ago (Edited 3649d ago )

I think your predictions are way off, to be honest,

XiSasukeUchiha3649d ago

@Truefan

Honestly just give it up, Sony has the better rep so any, and any arguments will be useless.

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barb_wire3649d ago

If you want fanboy logic you should check out GAF.. some truely delusional people over there.

There are a number of threads open over there and after the announcement, the fanboys were making comments that the XB1 will retake the lead next month in NA and all of Europe by July.. and then they start yakking on about just wait until the cloud is turned on and DX12 comes out..

It's kinda sad that there are people like this nowadays.. what MS did yesterday was good but they still have a long way to go. baby steps.

mochachino3649d ago

Xbox has been 500 with Kinect and Titanfall and barely matched PS4. Everyone has to buy a game so it was really $440 with Kinect. The price drop is about $40 bucks in reality but I think many rather just pay the $40 to have the Kinect included. I don't even like Kinect and I'd pay $40 for it just for OS usage.

SteamPowered3649d ago

Well I may as well use my kinect as a doorstop. The support for it went from half-ass to full stop.

Death3649d ago

Sadly I have to agree with you on that. Support has been very slow with a 100% attach rate. Now that Kinect will no longer come with the hardware support is all but gone. They might as well offer a trade in program where you send your Kinect in and they send you a couple free PS4 games.

RiPPn3649d ago

Yeah it's pretty much a $100 harmony remote now with a camera and mic. Oh well, I won't be early adopting a Microsoft product again anytime soon, that's for sure.

Mugen903649d ago

I just know both systems have their strengths, weaknesses, and games they're known for. I made the mistake of getting a 360 because I like more adventure games, with the 360 it had much more action/FPS games compared to the PS3.

This time around I'm def getting a PS4 because I know down the line it will have more game styles I like compared to the Xbox One

MysticStrummer3649d ago

What they can't change is that XB1 was designed around a mandatory peripheral which they're now removing, and they sacrificed power in the name of that design. They won't be freeing up much in the way of system resources by dropping Kinect because they'll be selling it as an add on, and also that would really rub the early adopters the wrong way. Imagine the backlash...

I bet any dev who is in the middle of working on a Kinect game is in shock.

jmc88883649d ago

They shouldn't. Microsoft's unreal position about Kinect should not of been trusted. It was obvious to any 5 year old Forrest Gump with his head bashed in with a baseball bat what was going to happen.

Many people even thought it would be gone by E3, and it will be.

Remember folks, even with the mandatory inclusion, what games have come out for it? Barely anything.

Anyone that wants one, because a developer actually finds a cool use for it, can buy one. If not, then there is no reason to have one.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Kinectless version still have a microphone. If it doesn't, Microsoft screwed up, because a $2 microphone can do 90 percent of what Kinect is usually asked to do in UI/games... Voice commands.

I know Microsoft said it was integral, but we all knew that was pure propaganda. Spin words don't change reality, and while Microsoft is a big corporation, they can't escape reality either.

I don't think this is the end for it, I think now it will have to live with it's ACTUAL utility. There is some, it's just niche. Microsoft wanted desperately for it to become a big way to play for everyone, but instead it's just a niche product. The fact they didn't realize this by 2013 is absolutely shocking. Like that Japanese WWII soldier who was marooned on the Philippines still thinking the war was on...in 1974!

It's like the TBTF banks. We bail them out with trillions of dollars to prop up their fraudulent and worthless derivatives but if we pulled away support we'd find that everything from 2008 is there and actually much worse, and all the big banks are insolvent (or broke and should be out of business). This is basically what Microsoft is doing, creating a fake environment for Kinect.

But we can separate the good from the bad with Glass-Steagall. So then you don't have the crap dragging down what's real, nor confiscate it through bail-in.

Same thing here. Instead of creating a completely fake situation, like pretending that if people have Kinect they'll use it. No, not really. Microsoft could claim that XX millions of people have Kinect, therefore you have all these people able to play your Kinect games.... in reality that number is bogus.

Most people don't want to play Kinect games, thus all those numbers the devs are supposed to rely on are FAKE FAKE FAKE. So the whole install base thing is complete bs.

If I was a dev, I would want TRUE numbers. I want to know how many people want to game with Kinect, not overall numbers. Because while they may have sold ~4 million Xbox One's....and have 4 million Kinect2's in the wild....how many of those are Kinect game players?

1 million? 500,000? 150,000?

What if you take away the casual people who were just trying it out?

N4g_null3649d ago

It's funny you bring up tbtf banks and no one mentioned sonys 1.4 billion lost. 74 million was on the games division. People are jumping ship. The system is collecting dust. If the kinect 2 cases the xbone a problem then it wouldn't be any different for the ps4 camera also.

If you think ms can't catch up to a sinking ship then you are wrong.

I know the ps fans wish that was nintendo that lost that much.... Yet that was sony. It's going to be hard to bribe 3rd party with no cash. Square is no longer under sony. They are not done cutting ethier.

Right now their banking section earn 65 percent of their profits not the ps gaming division. The days of the Walkman are gone fanboys. Sony is face first floating in the water. All the bad pr against ms and Nintendo won't get you anywhere.

jmc88883649d ago

What are the numbers the actual game dev's can use to determine whether or not to make a product?

Dev's should realize this, it isn't rocket science. Kinect2 sold separately will give Kinect devs a much better picture of big their audience really is. Because if you pay for it, you know it is far more likely to be used.

Kinect Sports Rivals isn't even in the Amazon top 100! In fact if you highlight JUST FOR XBOX ONE STUFF...it is the #30 highest selling Xbox One thing. 29 other Xbox One things are selling more, including lots of peripherals and pre-orders.

To be fair I think SNAP was the reason they went with DDR3, which meant they needed ESRAM (even if they could only fit 1/2-1/4th of the ESRAM they needed into the Xbox One).

But yeah, still the COGS might have led to a different direction if they didn't have the cost of Kinect in there.

But the devs should have known what they were walking into. Motion gaming has been dead for years. Wii/PS3/360 all showed this. That's what is crazy. Microsoft had years of data showcasing the public's waning interest motion gaming across all platforms, and they decide to force it on the customer. Every dev that didn't see the writing on the wall was dumber then a box of doorknobs. Just because Microsoft tells you to believe in Unicorns, doesn't make it a legitimate excuse for you to believe in Unicorns.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 17h ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow1d 6h ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo18210h ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie51m ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow0m ago

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why by games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service.

You feel for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

OtterX13h ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Tody_za13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno12h ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno10h ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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Game Studio Closures, Entertainment News, Disney, And More Skewedcast

The full Skewedcast crew back for this episode and Gareth, Justin, Michael, and JoeyZ at Skewed and Reviewed break down the latest entertainment news qith a focus at 40:00 on the Microsoft Studio Closures and how it impacts the game community and what can be done to help offset this negative trend.

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What is the point of Xbox?

Xbox has repeated the same terrible mistakes for over a decade. The reason is simple: its priorities are back-to-front.

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purple1011d 14h ago

ohhh man, the press really did not like those last closures, their having a field day bashing xbox,

anyway, ive got to nip off to the shops now, i've run out of microwave popcorn.

Jingsing22h ago

Apparently the last 10 years wasn't enough to get the gaming press to notice but as soon as they touch Bethesda it is full on nuclear war. A lot of people in the gaming press seem to have this irrational hard on for Fallout and Skyrim despite the fact they are low quality poor buggy games.
I've grown tiresome of the unbalanced fandom in the gaming press for fantasy games and their ability to just forgive crap so long as it's a fantasy game RPG game all quality concerns are not an issue for them,

anast22h ago

Popcorn has been good lately.

PapaBop19h ago

Clearly this is just a big conspiracy orchestrated by the popcorn industry, Microsoft are just their puppets, every time they open their mouths, I'm forced to stock up on popcorn.

TheEroica13h ago

Yep, Microsoft and Sony are a mess. Neither have a compelling business strategy and they're not making bangers anymore.

anast11h ago

Which Sony games are you talking about?

PhillyDonJawn10h ago

You enjoying all the bs Sony and MS been doing? Shame on you

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Xbox is getting rightfully roasted here

Einhander19721d 12h ago

The only point to xbox is and always has been to take market share and money from PlayStation and Nintendo, but mostly PlayStation. It's been the goal since sweaty Steve Balmer said it himself.

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ApocalypseShadow1d 6h ago

Yup. To put Sony out of business because they thought they were a threat to their Windows business.

solideagle17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Genuinely curious: how is Sony (hardware company) threat to Windows (operating system/software company) business?

isarai1d 10h ago

I mean the motto "xbox, the most optional console ever made" was peaked years ago, people are just now taking a step back from deepthroating Phil to see what we've all been seeing for a long time now.

Ra303010h ago

The current Microsoft Xbox motto is .....We're Microsoft Xbox, and we don't care and it shows!

P_Bomb1d 9h ago

I’ve still got friends that main on XB. For their sake, I hope it sticks around. They’ve put everything into that ecosystem. It’s all or nothing.

I wonder if we’ll ever get back the level of competition seen during the 360/PS3 era?

NotoriousWhiz23h ago

Seems like Daddy Microsoft is trying to shut it down. Or at least bring costs under control. On the bright side, it seems likely that acquisitions are going to stop.

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