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Ninja Gaiden II: No Room for Wiggle

Gamespot published an article explaining why their review of NGII is being delayed, they have explained that they received a letter from Microsoft explaining why they should delay the Review.
Read for yourselves:

"Hi all! I've had several readers ask me about Ninja Gaiden II, and when they could expect to see a review post. The short answer, of course, is always the same: we will post a review when it is ready.

The long answer is that Microsoft did not send final code to review outlets. The build we received suffers from loading issues, visual glitches, and other noticeable flaws that may or may not be present in the game you buy. Here is the statement we received from Microsoft when we pressed them on the matter:

Just a quick note from Team NINJA below regarding the "Ninja Gaiden II" red discs. Please note that the delay in load times you may experience is not representative of the final game. In the final boxed copy of the game, which you will receive once the game ships to retail on June 3 in the U.S., you will not experience any lag in load times. Team NINJA is aware of the issue and requests your patience as you play through the review red disc.

Xbox 360 spins DVDR media slower than replicated media, so it's not representative of how final media will perform. Also, please keep in mind that this build distributed early to you guys for review purposes is not final retail code (emphasis added -- KV). While the build contains many final gameplay features, story elements, and graphical capabilities, it's a press evaluation build so it is not as fully optimized as a retail product. Generally, load time is one feature that improves between review builds and final product. While there typically is not a major noticeable difference between review builds and retail product, it can vary, so please keep this in mind while working on your review.

You may remember that we reviewed Lost Odyssey based on code provided to us as reviewable, and rightfully called out load times that lasted close to two minutes in our evaluation. The retail game did not suffer nearly as much as our review build did, and we replayed a significant portion of the game and adjusted our review text to reflect as much once the issue came to our attention. We do not wish to repeat that circumstance, and will only post our Ninja Gaiden II review when we know that it is factually correct.

Frankly, we aren't willing to accept any developer or publisher at their word when we're told that flaws in the review build will not be present in the retail game. While we want to bring you timely reviews, we are strongly committed to bringing you accurate reviews based on the same exact game that will be in the box. Games are expensive, and you deserve an honest evaluation based on the final product. Publishing an early review with potentially incorrect information (or one that glosses over important information because we take the publisher at face value) does a disservice to our readers.

We will publish our Ninja Gaiden II when we are fully confident that it reflects the game you will purchase. You deserve nothing less."

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Silogon5826d ago

I'm all for better scores on ninja Gaiden 2 but only if it deserves it. with all the problems plaguing the review world now does this lend itself to the problem or what? This is almost like Microsoft out and out bribing them to hold off for a good review. I know it's probably not but it would appear that something is going on here. It's sad when you can't even trust the opinions the so called professionals.

Condoleezza Rice5826d ago

To see what's going on here,this is corruption in broad daylight.

*Sigh* I wonder how much money was involved though,any guesses?

frostbite065826d ago

but this definitely stems from there terrible Lost Odyssey review. I remember reading that review and wondering what game they had played. Unfortunately people don't want to wait for reviews so i'm positive this will continue happening in the future.

gtgcoolkid5826d ago

I think they are just negotiating the final payment terms right now.

Pornlord5826d ago

I liked lost odessy too, I think it will be just fine when it hits the shelf.

TheSadTruth5826d ago

Do you kids even know what 'corruption' means?

SteveUrkel5826d ago

how do you pull corruption out of this? i smell lack of critical reading skillz

IQUITN4G5826d ago (Edited 5826d ago )

Nobody on here is going to know this Gamespot thing to be true or not.Sounds perfectly plausible though from what the notice says

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pimpstation5826d ago

Don't worry, as soon as Gamespot is paid and they decide how they're going to spin this one, the review will be posted. 9.5/10 !!!

juuken5826d ago (Edited 5826d ago )

You know, its idiots like you who make this site such a stinking pile of shiat.

(Oh bloody noes, I has been called an idiot! :o Whatever shall I do? No, it's not *idiots* like me who bring down this site. It's brainwashed people like 360 owners who bring this site down.)

Let me explain it to you. MS sent *non-gold* code to reviewers so that they had 4 weeks instead of 1 week time to review the game.

(Uh-huh, I'm listening.)

Thats it. All the reviews are based on PREVIEW CODE -- and they want to make sure the previewers know that. Thats all.

(Sure they do.)

Now, *YOU* brought up MSG4.

(Yes I did.)

What about the "exclusive early reviews" we've seen of MGS4? *ALL* those score were given by a select few outlets who were given the game **BEFORE** all the rest (of gold code or not, not really important).

Why do they do that? They cherry-pick outlets for these prviews because they *know* they can get a good review. They pick friendly outlets. These friendly outlets get a exclusive review and an great draw to their media (advertising) sales.

**THAT** practice is corruption.

(Uh-huh. Didn't it just OCCUR to you that the game may be Kojima's best work ever and it wasn't based on this so-called corruption you're bringing up? There were early reviews of NGII if I am not mistaken.)

See, there was a two step embargo on Haze (if you recall).

(Yes, I'm listening.)

The first "early exclusive reviews" were from Famitsu (34 / 40) and PS Magazine Italy (9/10)

Wow! What great scores those two early reviews were! When the "media embargo" was lifted and all the rest of the reviews came in, what happened?

Well, Haze is now 5.6/10 average on Metacritic after 22 reviews.

They are doing the **SAME** thing with MGS4. Some media firms have been given "exclusive early review rights". And SUPRISE SUPRISE(!) PS Magazine UK gave MGS4 10/10! What a surpise?!

(1. Spell surprise correctly, 2. Stop with the conspiracy theories, and 3. That argument is full of holes.)

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In short, MS has A) Sent all outlets preview code and B) they all can publish at their discretion -- some are holding back to see gold code.

(And you would take that word as gospel? You actually trust that this thing doesn't reek of suspicion? You actually believe MS is THAT innocent to send a letter to Gamespot regarding this issue? )

In short, SONY has A) provided "exclusive review" rights to a select group of media for releases and B) created a 2nd "everyone" review group.

The two situations are *VASTLY* different. TOTALLY UNRELEATED.

And only **ONE**: Sony can possibly be accused of any wrongdoing.

Remember, it was **SONY** who has been caught and fined for fabricating review scores of its Movies and Music;
http://arstechnica.com/news...

Sony tried (and failed) to create good reviews for Haze.
Sony *is trying* to create good reviews for MGS4.

They are using the same process with MGS4 as they used with Haze.

(...and then I got lost from there. 1. The link does not work. 2. Your argument does not stand, and 3. I don't trust MS at all. They were so hell-bent on beating Sony and it wouldn't surprise me ONE bit that this reeks of corruption.)

Willio5826d ago

why even mention the reason behind the delay? Whats the point of sending preview code games to not be reviewed until for the final version, no one wants to beat a game multiple times within a month.

Why are there 2 different types of reviewers? Cherry picking outlets is not corruption, its a business strategy. Its the game developers product, who wants bad reviews? thats just stupid.

hades075825d ago

Thanks Juuken for a huge waste of time I will never get back.

Superfragilistic5825d ago (Edited 5825d ago )

Sorry jukken but that was a fanboy rant if ever I've seen one!

juuken5825d ago

Fanboy rant? Sure it is...because I just mentioned how foodbox completely missed where he was going in that argument. Gave me a link that does not work, false accusations, that kind of stuff. Well, you folks believe what you want to believe but it doesn't change the fact that MS is up to something. I have never heard of something like this happening with ANY game whatsoever.

godofthunder105825d ago

you can never give or trust any review till the game is released.they had games that was reviewed before it was released and they gave them a good or bad rateing but after they were released the finale review was the opposite.

for exsample,everyone was talking how great haze will be and everyone gave it a great review but when it was released it was the opposite.some reviews that was given before it was released said that the game will change the way we play shooting games and it's a must have game,but the same people gave it a 2 out of 5 or a 4 out of 10 because they said that it was a regular shooter and it had lag and loading problems.

you can never trust a review of a game before it's released.i don't care what console or game it is because some times a game is worked on till the last minute before it is released,it happens all the time.i like to know how can anything be reviewed if it's not even finished,it just doesn't make since.

solidt125825d ago

Every video game retailer that i talk to has told me that Gamespot takes payoffs for reviews. I believe it.

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Real gamer 4 life5826d ago (Edited 5826d ago )

Why would they not send the reviewers the final build of the game? It makes no sense at all. And wasn't this rumor shot down already, there was a article posted on this site saying that the problem that plague ninja gaiden does show up in the final build. I think microsoft wants to make sure this game gets a good score from the media because they want to soften the blow that metal gear solid will do to them.

BeaArthur5826d ago

I agree with you and think it's stupid but that has been going on for a long time now. Lost Odyssey was the same way; the reviewers had a build of the game that had lag issues and the scores reflected it. Personally I don't understand why you would send reviewers an unfinished version of the game, considering they can effect peoples purchasing habits.

kewlkat0075826d ago

that's called you cooking up conspiracy...lol

Hey LO went through the same ordeal, when I got the game every one was like WTF is the 2-3 minute battle load? More like 10 secs or so..

juuken5826d ago

You're right on the mark.
This game was supposed to match MGS4 and it backfired on them.

foodbox5826d ago

@juuken

You know, its idiots like you who make this site such a stinking pile of shiat.

Let me explain it to you. MS sent *non-gold* code to reviewers so that they had 4 weeks instead of 1 week time to review the game.

Thats it. All the reviews are based on PREVIEW CODE -- and they want to make sure the previewers know that. Thats all.

Now, *YOU* brought up MSG4.

What about the "exclusive early reviews" we've seen of MGS4? *ALL* those score were given by a select few outlets who were given the game **BEFORE** all the rest (of gold code or not, not really important).

Why do they do that? They cherry-pick outlets for these prviews because they *know* they can get a good review. They pick friendly outlets. These friendly outlets get a exclusive review and an great draw to their media (advertising) sales.

**THAT** practice is corruption.

See, there was a two step embargo on Haze (if you recall).

The first "early exclusive reviews" were from Famitsu (34 / 40) and PS Magazine Italy (9/10)

Wow! What great scores those two early reviews were! When the "media embargo" was lifted and all the rest of the reviews came in, what happened?

Well, Haze is now 5.6/10 average on Metacritic after 22 reviews.

They are doing the **SAME** thing with MGS4. Some media firms have been given "exclusive early review rights". And SUPRISE SUPRISE(!) PS Magazine UK gave MGS4 10/10! What a surpise?!

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In short, MS has A) Sent all outlets preview code and B) they all can publish at their discretion -- some are holding back to see gold code.

In short, SONY has A) provided "exclusive review" rights to a select group of media for releases and B) created a 2nd "everyone" review group.

The two situations are *VASTLY* different. TOTALLY UNRELEATED.

And only **ONE**: Sony can possibly be accused of any wrongdoing.

Remember, it was **SONY** who has been caught and fined for fabricating review scores of its Movies and Music;
http://arstechnica.com/news...

Sony tried (and failed) to create good reviews for Haze.
Sony *is trying* to create good reviews for MGS4.

They are using the same process with MGS4 as they used with Haze.

Superfragilistic5825d ago

@foodbox

Well argued. Bubbles! :)

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Condoleezza Rice5826d ago

So they won't be reviewing it because the company that publishes it wants to make changes to it AFTER they've sent it to be reviewed?

So the flaws that are in it should just be ignored and brushed off as a bad build even though THEY,the Publishers,sent THE build to be reviewed,hmm?

Smell that,gamers?It's the scent of Moolah mixed with a whiff of corruption.

BeaArthur5826d ago

It's not damage control, that stuff goes on all the time. Again, I agree, it's stupid and mind boggling but I don't think it's damage control. The version we get probably won't have these problems.

Condoleezza Rice5826d ago

"The long answer is that Microsoft did not send final code to review outlets"

It's corruption.

IdleLeeSiuLung5826d ago

Now it is true that the final build is what should be sent for review, not an imcomplete version. However, the reviewer is saying that the product you will get in store may or may not be the same as what they are reviewing so they are waiting for the actual final build.

On the other hand you should question the other sites that are reviewing a "review" or incomplete build.

This makes perfect sense to me and I don't see why it shouldn't for you.

foodbox5826d ago (Edited 5826d ago )

@Condoleezza Rice:

You cannot be this stupid.

They sent everyone preview builds. Then when asked, they said "this is a preview build, it has issues that we know are resolved, if you are concerned about X,Y,Z wait for the Gold code before your review".

THIS IS A TOTAL NON-ISSUE except for people like you who are now UPSET you wont be able to write "oh, NG2 sucked because of the load times!11!one!!1!".

Give it a rest. Go play Haze.

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They arent supposed to "ignore them". They are supposed-to be aware they are playing a **preview** build. One that has issues not present in the final code. Some sites (like Gamespot here) are being forthcoming about this reality, and have decided (by virtue of journalistic integrity) to withhold their review in order to be fully informed before they render judgment.

The preview builds were sent early so that the reviewers could play through the game -- it is long and difficult.

What part of this process confuses you? But, frankly, by reading your incomprehensible and broken analogy, I understand why.

You need to work on your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.

Condoleezza Rice5826d ago

Care to elaborate on the 'people like you' part of your rant?

Cupid_Viper_35826d ago

if they're supposed to ignore the issues with the copy that was sent to them,

THEN WHERE IS THE F*CKING POINT in REVIEWING THE DAMN GAME?

i dont get, its like some is trying to tell you that they are RICH, and they send you a copy of their bank account, which shows that they only have $500, and they live in broke down house, and rides the bus, but send you a letter and say, "oh, ignores those glaring facts, IM RICH B!ATCH"........ it just doesnt make sense..

Presentist5826d ago

As always you have no idea what you're talking about.

95% of games have "review builds", things are changed from the review build to the final, the fact that this one had a few more bugs doesn't mean anything.

You're obviously just reaching because we all know your bias.

SolidSnake935825d ago

Virtue of journalistic integrity isn't really something that I associate gamespot with. What is the point of sending out preview builds and allowing reviewers to pass their judgment and then telling them to wait, because they made a mistake and they want to fix it. Secondly don't bring MGS4 into this because any one who has played the previous Metal Gear Solid games knows that Kojima doesn't need scores to be manufactured for him. If a game is not ready to be reviewed then, don't send a review build. Let's leave it at this Ninja Gaiden is a great game which is getting scores that it deserves however, gamespot and all of its "journalistic integrity" may give the game a score higher than what it deserves because of certain practices which should not be tolerated.

Condoleezza Rice5825d ago

And how does this ^ change the fact that Microsoft are now going to be sending them a final build to review rather than the review build they already sent to be reviewed?

I hope you see the problem here.

Halochampian5825d ago

will you please stop it with the whole corruption thing. It is quite childish.

and please stop taking every little thing about the 360 and every game on it and try to bash it. Every comment.. I see a bash.. and it is very annoying.

how did you get all those bubbles anyhow.. just curious?

Halochampian5825d ago

wonders how he got 3 disagrees for just stating Rice's fanboyism.

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DiabloRising5826d ago

On one hand, I believe that games should be final when reviewed, so that they are playing the same version of the title, load times and all, the we consumers get to enjoy. At the same time however though, I never see this sort of courtesy being extended to PS3 games. So this definitely smacks of bias and pleasing the "winning console" fanbase.

I really hate game journalism. So biased.

OOG5826d ago

Ive never seen a ps3 game that has had the same issue....hence it hasnt had the same treatment

Silogon5826d ago

Thing that makes me really go ho hum is that everyone's reviews so far have said the same thing that there isn't any innovation in gameplay and it's basically Ninja Gaiden sigma with new enemies and story that seems convoluted.

Is that going to make the review better here? I don't think they're going to send out a copy that is going to fix those problems.

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