PS3 GTA IV almost certainly 630p

Eurogamer writes: "The PlayStation 3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV almost certainly runs in 630p.

Word spiralled from comparison shots by the same fellow responsible for outing Halo 3 as sub-HD, and the same chap who assists with our Face-Off screenshots before we show them to you.

However, Eurogamer's Face-Off compiler and resident big-brain Rich Leadbetter says that while the PS3 version may be a touch blurrier, it's not necessarily inferior. Far from it, in fact."

[sonarus]

Long story short ps3 looks better at a lower resolution lol. That is interesting indeed

[Capt CHAOS]

I only know of the popping issue on the 360 and the slightly worse frame rate on the PS3, even though it's running on a lower resolution. And the colours on the PS3 version appearing bland.

[MattFoley]

I played for 4hrs and had pop in once on 360.

How do you disagree with what happened at my house.
Were you looking in my windows again?

[Scerick]

IGN:

"While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected."

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster."

Edit: @Matt above,

They must have webcams setup in every room of your house...

Someone disagreed, they must be higher-tech than your average webcam..

[WIIIS1]

It was telling enough which console is weak when the fact surfaced that one console has to rely on harddisk installation to run GTA4. Now we have this news that Rockstar also had to lower the resolution to make the game run on PS3... no wait, there are reports of the game freezing too. Dam am I glad I purchased the right version!

[JsonHenry]

So let me get this straight.. the game HAS to load on the PS3 HDD, it runs at a lower resolution on the PS3, the AA is better on the 360 version, and to top it off the colors are slightly washed out on the PS3 version?

So where is this "superior" PS3 technology at? I swear, if it were not for a VERY few games I would have sold my PS3 when it was still worth something on Ebay...

[green]

Sony said the PS3 will make the 360 look like XBOX 1.5.I am still waiting for that to happen before i get a PS3.

[INOUE]

The guy who pointed out PS3 was 630p said it looks better.

"it's 630p (1120x630)
regardless PS3 media look better for me, the light and atmosphere is more real (maybe HDR vs X360 MDR, post-process...), i agree with global reviews feeling but more comparison screenshots would be good
it's interesting, it shown that number of pixel isn't enough for determine better visual"

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[WIIIS1]

So INOUE, let's put aesthetics aside, are you now man enough to admit that from a technical standpoint, the console that requires harddisk installation and lower resolution to run GTAIV is clearly NOT the superior console? Because apparently a lot of peons on this site were trying to say otherwise just a day or 2 ago.

[Spinner]

Did anyone even read the article?

"It's worth noting that due to the post-processing effects the game employs (there's a serious amount of stuff being done to the raw frame), the PS3's lower resolution serves to mask a lot of the nasty after effects," said Leadbetter.

"For example, look at the dithering on the signs in the background on those shots. A bit ugly on Xbox 360, but smoothed and blurred away on PS3, presenting a generally nicer look."

[shadow_hearts]

GAMEREACTOR

http://www.gamereactor.se/r...

Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.

IGN

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".

X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version
"Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

EGM "PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "

GAMESRADAR

http://www.gamesradar.com/x...

"Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08...

GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR

"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"

http://www.gamesradar.com/p...

IGN's video revealed massive differences between the 2 versions especially in terms of color

[barom]

lol there is one guy on a forum stating that it's 630p or wutnot. And suddenly that becomes a fact? Cmon folkz. Did you suddenly just forget all the reviews stating GTA IV looks better on PS3?

But even so. Regardless of what resolution it is, in the end the PS3 version is the better looking one.

[dan-boy]

what do you prefer to be called?? and can i ask why some people have multiple accounts, and just say the same thing? copy and pste the same sh!t and put up the same links trying to validate their desperation??? laughable and just more than a touch sad imo!

[Gam71]

Nasim or doodoobrains or shadow hearts, Hows your multiple accounts going.
Only had this one 17 hrs and down to 3 bubbles.
I predict 3 days and you'll need another account.

Why don't you play the game.

[shelbygt33]

So when Halo 3 came out and was found to be sub-720p, people believed this guy right out of the box, no questions asked.

Now that the SAME PERSON has posted on the ps3 GTAIV being sub-720p, those same people doubt him?

It must be nice to be able to pick and choose what you believe only when it supports your beliefs.

End result - both Halo 3 on xbox 360 and GTAIV on ps3 look stunning!!

[sonarus]

Why is everyone having such a hard time accepting that ps3 version looks and runs better?. Its slight as hell and they are almost identical so it isn't such a big deal but all the major sites that we relied on to tell us which version of multiplatform games ran better have already given ps3 the edge in performance. In fact i haven't heard anyone say the ps3 version is bland since the real reviews came out.

Everyone has said the ps3 version has the edge in AA, ign and gamereactor gave ps3 edge in framerates. Everyone gives ps3 better load times and pop ups. Everyone agrees ps3 version looks slightly better.

I wonder why they look better at a lower resolution. It seems like some people are going to be in denial about it. I personally don't care because it isn't a big deal. But pretending that its not happening is a little pathetic.

Lol at captain chaos and 360 has better framerates
lol at jason henry and 360 has better AA

[LJWooly]

If you're the sort of person who plays a game and actively thinks about the difference between the two versions, then you are a sad, sad person.

It really doesn't matter, it's still the same game. Why can't people live with that?

[BenzMoney]

Actually, it's looking more and more like the PS3 doesn't use any anti-aliasing at all... just filtering and upscaling.

"this?
http://img294.imageshack.us...
no AA, just filter and upscale"

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

It seems like Rockstar was unable to get the game running on par with the 360 version at the same resolution (360 runs true 720p w/ 2xAA) so they downscaled it, removed AA, and applied a good filter.

It looks like they got pretty nice results from doing so, of course. The final product looks nice. But that doesn't eliminate the technicalities... only the "PS3 version looks better because it's technically superior" arguement is eliminated.

[thewhoopimen]

Xbox Defenese force you do know that if this "forum" speculation is not verified as true you guys lose all credibility for whipping up a huge stink right? The posters haven't even been able to verify 100% that the screenshot they are using is a ps3 shot and is only confirming the resolution of a shot they received. (I went through the forum and the assertion btw is 640p for ps3 not 630p).

[sonarus]

well i guess that explains the better framerate, the pop ups and the shorter loading times:D

See i'm not here to compare console differences my first comment was to spark a rise out of you guys.

PS3 can run in 480p and 360 can run in 1080p but if it looks better than 360 version then there is something else clearly going on. Maybe the post processing effects aren't possible on 360 i don't know don't care. All i know is PS3 version looks better runs better shorter loads times is sharper whether its due to AA or not and then it is has less pop ups which to me is the single most important factor anyway

The end justifies the means. Simple as that. I don't care how they did it be it upscaled or native resolution whatever all i know is that at a lower resolution it looks better than 360 version. For all i know they intentionally downscaled ps3 version to keep it on par wit 360 or intentionally didn't downscale 360 version to keep it on par with ps3.

Whatever they did i don't care. 360 lead development, it was easier to program for...but yet ps3 came out on top end of story

[MikeGdaGod]

how is this true if the ps3 can't upscale games? and if it can upscale games, why not upscale to 1080p?

GTA4 says 720p on my tv, MGO says 1080p. how are these not native if the ps3 can't upscale.

will someone please explain this

[LJWooly]

The PS3 does upscale it scottie. That's why the PS3 natively displays the game at 1080p, but according to this, the game only runs at 630p (i would have thought 640p myself, but whatever).

Sort of like COD4. Displayed at a 1080p setting, but actually only runs at 640p.
(Sorry if I didn't answer, I may have misunderstood the question).

With that said, take this with a grain of salt.

[Statix]

The latest tests by Quaz51 at Beyond3D have revealed that the PS3 version HAS NO AA! Compared to 2xMSAA for the XB360 version.

So much for the idea that the PS3 version "has better AA." Looks like it just fooled everyone because the game is 640p, and the lower resolution results in a BLURRIER image overall (thus, looks "smoother," because the BLUR hides jaggies).

[sonarus]

So let me get this straight. The ps3 version has NO AA and runs at 630p while 360 runs at 720p. But majority of the reviewers including IGN agree PS3 version looks sharper, slightly better framerate, FAR less pop ups and slightly better loading times

Now i didn't know lower resolutions look better than higher resolutions. Whatever PS3 version applied to make it look better than 360 version should have been applied to 360 version as well because it fooled all the reviewers and it will fool all gamers.

Bottomline is END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS. I don't care how they did it but they were able to at least make the ps3 version appear to look better and that is really all that counts. The way it looks on my tv not on a computer monitor after they have blown up the screens by 400X.

On my TV it looks better than 360 END OF STORY

[Statix]

The reviewers didn't say it looked "sharper," they said it looked "cleaner" and "smoother" because of less apparent aliasing. This is due to the fact that the PS3 version only runs at 640p, a lower/blurrier resolution, thus giving the appearance of less jaggies/smoother image, but also blurring out the details. Like a haze of vaseline. You can arguably achieve the same effect on the XB360 by turning down the Sharpness setting of your TV.

Weird that the PS3 version has no AA, after all, contrary to what reviewers have been saying.

FYI, here's a screenshot comparison between the 2 versions:

PS3:
http://img294.imageshack.us...
360:
http://imk.cx/screenshots/x...

[BenzMoney]

How about we tone down the hyperbole a little bit, shall we?

"FAR less pop ups"

-- I don't recall reading any reviews that said the PS3 version has *FAR* less pop ups. Fewer pop ups? Yes. But try to cut the exaggerations down to a minimum, ok?

-- As for framerate, it's funny that people keep quoting that IGN review, "...framerate drops AND (particularly on the 360) pop-in..." Does everyone just ignore the little word 'and' between the portion of the sentence referring to framerate and pop-in? The review is clearly stating that both versions suffer from occasional framerate issues, and the 360 has more noticeable pop-in.

-- Finally, would you not expect a game that is running at a lower resolution to have better framerate, less pop-in, etc? I don't understand why you find this so surprising? Typically, when you turn down the resolution on a game, you're reducing the load on the hardware. You get the same results when you remove AA. Try loading up a game on your PC at highest resolution and AA settings. How's the performance? Now reduce the resolution and remove the AA. Notice the boost? Why is it, then, that the PS3 runs at a lower resolution, with no AA, and only manages a minimal boost in performance over the 360 version running at a higher resolution with AA? Wouldn't you expect a huge improvement in framerate, for example? The PS3 is pushing about 1,000,000 (23.4% less) pixels than the 360 is, per frame. The reduction of loading times and pop-in is most likely due to the installation as opposed to processing power.

It comes down to the machines having radically different architectures; just because something works for the 360 doesn't mean it'll work for the PS3, and vice versa. If anything, the fact that Rockstar was able to get the two versions so alike on two completely different sets of hardware speaks to the talent of their studio. One might expect a huge boost in performance after reducing the resolution and AA, but we know this isn't the case. Why? Perhaps the PS3 is doing SOMETHING ELSE behind the scenes, like filtering/upscaling, because that's what works for THAT console. Big deal.

Watching you guys fight about miniscule details is hilarious. What's even more hilarious is the amount of 'damage control' (as if there's any damage to control) and energy is spent on trying to cover up fact. I don't care about which console you prefer, or what game looks better to reviewers or anyone else. I just care about pointing out the facts.

EDIT:

As for which actually looks better, I don't know because I haven't seen either in action. But from these comparisons, it looks like the 360 holds up pretty well against the supposedly 'superior' PS3 version:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[sonarus]

From those comparisons, i think the ps3 has better colors. I really don't care about this so i don't know why i am using all my bubbles debating this.

What i do know is no one cares about the technical specs, its how it performs on your tv. Majority of people who have seen both gave ps3 the edge on visuals. Last time i checked, higher resolutions looked better than lower resolutions.

If they need to downgrade to 480p to make it look better than 1080p then they should feel free to do it anytime. Its the way it looks on the tv that counts and not under scrutiny by some beyond3d forum dudes.

Actually if you go thru that thread you actually see them say PS3 version is better A LOT

[Statix]

So are you suggesting that we move back to the SDTV era? It would certainly ease the developmental pressure on developers, and allow for better graphical effects, at the expense of screen sharpness.

I don't know about you, but I didn't pay a couple grand for my HDTV to play non-HD games.

640p for the PS3 version of GTA4 is fine by me, at least for now, but if I had my way for all games, I'd rather they ALL run in at least 720p minimum. Microsoft and Sony established a resolution minimum this generation, and marketed their machines as high-definition products. The consumer expects and deserves to get what they paid for, which is high-def gaming. People like you, who make excuses for game companies compromising on quality standards, you're the ones who are holding the industry back from progress. You're not doing yourself or other gamers in general any favors by not only condoning developers straying from the 720p standard, but criticizing others for (justifiably) pointing out the obvious.

[prunchess]

It displays GTA at 720p @ 60hz.

[skagrerrrr]

i'm happy with my gta iv, now go & play

[fablib]

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Just follow this link and click on the comparative shots (to see them in full res.)… As I have feared, vaselline effect and lower resolution… Now I understand “the warm & soft colors and the better aliasing” ….

Sony you have cheated me for the last time!!!

[Scerick]

Sony developed GTA IV and paid off IGN, EGM, and many other websites out there to say it looked better on their system. *rolls eyes*

[WIIIS1]

It all adds up. GTAIV was supposed to be released last year for 360, but it was delayed because (as speculation would have it) of development issues with the PS3 version and Rockstar was paid by Sony not to release the game on 360 before the PS3 version. Now we're seeing why there was all this delay - Rockstar had to find ways and means to make the game run on PS3 such as harddisk installation and lower resolution, and still there are game freezing issues.

[GutZ31]

How come no one told me I couldn't play 360 games on the Wii?

[konrad]

Maybe on PS3 it is 630p but has more details ( doesn't use fog to hide this problem ) better frame rate and no popups so it looks better than jagged 720p XBOX
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[Britjadg]

@ CAPT CHAOS - you spin that sh1t fella. you know fully well that both games are technically identicle. 360 having slightly fuller colours does not make ps3's bland. Jesus.

i read these forums and laughed, so many competing opinions nobody knows whats going on. even if its 630p, game looks beautiful so who really gives a toss? and its been said time and time again that the ps3 version and the xbox version look virtually identicle (even in the comparrison shots mentioned above), so if gta renders higher on xbox you cant actually tell the difference, so again: what does it matter?

[dan-boy]

the sony army have been banging their collective chests for the last few days saying how superior the ps3 version was...obviously pre-release! now it's on the market, and things haven't quite turned out how the fanboys prayed they would. in all honesty, i don't care really. i have the 360 version by the way, and i got that version because that's where all my pals will be! and we will be having it large on-line! but, if my mates were all going to be getting it on the ps3, then that's the version i would've got! regardless of resolution, AA, hdd installs or any other things!

now from my 4-5 hours of gta4 experience... the colours look gorgeous on HD-tv. nothing bland about them! and never in my honest opinion, have i played a 360 game that has not had a rich colour pallete! that's why i couldn't understand why all the sony fanboys have been making such claims the last few days! bland colours and the 360 just don't go together! i've not noticed any slow down/frame-rate problems yet either. but, i've only had my wanted level up to 4 stars so far. and i did'nt notice anything when i was in a 16player team-deathmatch either. and i didn't see any problems when there was 7 of us in a free-roam aswell.

also, i was fearing the worst with gta4 on-line. i was expecting it to be a laggy mess with 16 people, all wearing headsets complete with police and peds...but from what i've seen so far, it's not bad to say the least.

bottom line, a great game no matter WHICH system you play it on! just enjoy, and be thankful that it's arrived!

and a side note to some of the worst sony-fanboys that dwell on here... stfu now, the ps3 is a great machine granted, but it aint the be-all and end-all like some of you want everyone to believe.

[Boldy]

The only reason anyone would be making much of a deal out of this is because the sony fans were makin fun of Halo 3 for only natively showing in 640p so I guess this is kinda like payback for the xbox fans.

[gunnerforlife]

dam this is gone cauze a storm:S

[Auron]

It's like STFU and go play it for you system! quit arguing!

[gunnerforlife]

exactly lol as long as the game is good and dosent have glitches and slow down then i dont care if it runs at 630p or 620p

anyways im gone get dis like in 3 days if they have it in stock, if they dont oh well, not dat hyped up about it anyways and i can waite

[power of Green]

The media did a hell of a job keeping the rabids under control before they were busy with the game after it released telling them(PS3 fanboys) what they wanted to hear.

If it wern't for the ignor feature on this site I'd probably have a heart attack from the backlash from PS3 fanboys personally attacking me due to me saying this was happening to keep the PS3 fanboys under control saving the industry the whole time" now the truth can come out when people are to busy to care as I suspected, it happend with DMC4 and Assasin's Creed..

[Atomic]

what truth ? that the PS3 version looks better , and every gaming media outlet prefers the PS3 version ?

[Denges]

POG brush your teeth because you talk alot of shít..

i dont think this idiot even reads the articles... just the headlines..

[Britjadg]

as you suspected? you forsaw it did you? did it come to you in a 600p halo induced vision? or were you simply stoned?

[scoobysnacks]

If indeed it is at 630P, its only speculation at this point, then let me remind you of this article:

http://www.n4g.com/dev/News...

and your response POG was:

"This site is used as a platform for haters using this news as some sort of anti MSFT tool when infact NO ONE GIVES A SH*T. If it looks better it is better(HD rezs)... Rather have the lighting it helps people miss and is more realistic..."

Hmmm, anti MSFT, lets apply that here, anti Sony perhaps?
"No one gives a sh*t", could be?
"If it looks better it is better", most sites are saying the PS3 version of GTA IV looks slightly better.

If you try and spin this any other way, then only one word applies to you, HYPOCRITE, but then most of the people here that can be classed as gamers, not fanboys, on either side already know this to be the case. Have a nice day.

[juuken]

You talk way too much crap...seriously.
THE PS3 HAS THE SLIGHT EDGE-GET OVER IT.
NOW GO PLAY YOUR FOGGED UP VERSION AND STOP THE NONSENSE.

[shadow_hearts]

**courtesy of SAMMY
_____________________________ _________________________

GAMESRADAR,IGN,GT and EGM said the same thing

However Swedish gaming mag Gamereactor said that there are MAJOR DIFFERENCES between the 2 version

http://www.gamereactor.se/r...

Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.

IGN

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".

X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version
"Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

"PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "

GAMESRADAR

http://www.gamesradar.com/x...

"Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08...

So happy that i own a PS3

GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR

"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"

http://www.gamesradar.com/p...

It is OVER for XBUTTS and 3 FIX ME

[dan-boy]

YOU ARE SAMMY_MANTRA YOU SAD MOFO!!!! lolololololololol

this is just the saddest thing that i've yet seen on this sony fanboy dominated site. trying to big up your fanboy self with another account.

i'll give you a tip. get a girlfriend, get a boyfriend, get a sheep just get what ever makes you happy. because that is some pathetic sh!t rite there...there's no words that describe how much of a c**t you have just made yourself look. you sad little person!! lol at you

[zapass]

good way to spread a rumor and cover your legal ass.
the baboons get all wet and come too soon, as usual.
eurogamer is trash news for the few remaining xcox suckas there.

[Pain]

making it with inferior tech in-mind gets that.

[ravinshield]

hahahahahaha.fuk the psgrill

[CyberSentinel]

I tried to tell the lemmings...

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

...but I was out numbered.

Blind Lemmings, Truth Is Truth.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

You tried to warn them my good man. A high-five to you!

I love some of these respones:

Shadow_Hearts:
1.1 - ABSOLUTE FAKE
Look at the same page of Beyond 3d forum. when images of both versions are zoomed 400% it was found that X360 version had DITHERINGS.now how on earth would a HIGH REZ version has dithering and low rez version HAVE NONE

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

absolutely FAKE

GTA4 runs at 720P on both PS3 and X360. Gameradar has confirmed this
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The Gaming GOD(yeah ok sure whatever):

Hmm, xbots just can't stop crying today huh
Yet one more FORUM or BLOG posting of this fabled rumor.

Let's see, Egm, Gamesradar, Ign. They already confirmed 720. Those are LEGIT sites.

Not forums or blogs. Until a CREDIBLE source can vouch for this bullsh!t rumor, it's just that a rumor and FUD
-----------------

Of course the story was reported as fake and SPAM by the usual Sony Defense Fishheads and failed approval.

[Atomic]

I'll take 630p and cleaner image quality over pop-ups , more aliasing and longer load times anyday!

[SL1M DADDY]

You hit that one right on the head bud. Those that talk crap about the PS3 version are silly fanboys that seem to have no idea what they are talking about. Even in the differences you describe there is so little difference that it would take a keen eye to notice most of them. Go play the game guys, it's there calling to you!

[dan-boy]

did'nt you say just yesterday that the winds were changing because games were starting to be "superior" on the ps3??? now one of has not turned out quite that way, every one whos dissing the ps3 version is just a "silly fanboy", yet the whole sony army on here have been more than just a touch vocal in the last 4-5 days, claiming a massive victory over the 360? and people like you were involved aswell!

i like how it's all forgotten now, and everyone is trying to sweep it under the carpet!

[Statix]

Actually, the PS3 version has no anti-aliasing (AA), while the XB360 version has 2xAA.

People were just fooled into thinking the PS3 version looked "smoother" or "cleaner" because it runs at a blurrier resolution (640p) and is upscaled, making the image as a whole look blurrier. This has a side-effect of hiding more jaggies, but it also blurs out the details.

Bottom line is, the PS3 version only runs at 640p with no AA, while the 360 version runs at 720p with 2xAA.

[SL1M DADDY]

Here is my comment from yesterday - word for word:

"Can you hear that?
That is the sound of the winds of change... Not that it's all bad, I own both consoles. ;-)"

There is nothing in there about the PS3 version being superior, only that now the devs are getting a hang of the PS3 hardware and are coming out with games that are identical to the untrained eyes when compared to their Xbox 360 counterparts.

Let's face it here, this game looks great on both consoles and only the rabid fanboys are dragging this war through the mud.

As for the Sony boys being too vocal... Call it payback for the year or so longer that they had to put up with every stupid xbox fanboy raving about the 360 and rubbing great games in their faces. If the xbox fans can't take a little heat from the Sony guys, then perhaps they should never have opened their mouths in the first place. That's just how I see it anyway.

@ Statix:

I guess some would say that a slightly lower resolution to keep from pop-in and poor frame rates would be an improvement...

[duarteq]

Who Cares about if it is at 720p, 630p or other resolutions as long as the game looks good and grab the attention to play ?

and this is for both consoles and all games. I like to play games, not set new standard in Game visuals and other stuff. That kind of things are responsability of game developers not gamers...

[shelbygt33]

The same people who cared when it was talked about during Halo 3's release. What goes around, comes around.

[wow4u]

@6.1

No no no! You dont understand how to play "irrational zealot" -- you defend the behaviour when it is on YOUR machine and attack when on THE OTHER machine.

This is N4G after all.

[Robearboy]

I remember when all of the boo boys laughed at Halo when that was suppoed to run at about 630p, just goes to show that it dont matter, graphics and specs dont make a game, the gameplay does

[SuperSaiyan4]

The 360 version does look more clearer.

[Britjadg]

yes in ur mind. the only diff with those screenshots is that ps3 looks slightly redder. if it bothers you taht much turn the red down on ur tele.

[ssj]

Yeah and fog up your screen too

[Britjadg]

here he goes. que cheerleaders jason360 and crab...

PoG you got enough milk left in that nipple of urs to feed the bots as they arrive? or do you want me to pop down the shop and get some powdered stuff?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

boo hoo slip in poo your comment smells like doo doo.

I think you are going to need an extra large box of tissue for all the crying going on from the POS3 force.

[The Closing]

The back of the box says otherwise.

[caffman]

the 360 version is running at 1080p

[i Shank u]

the back of the box lists what resolution the game can be upscaled to; the Native resolution is what the game runs in and is upscaled from (halo3 runs in 640P, cod4 600P)and isn't listed on the box

[599 US Dollars]

lmfao. BUT BUT BUT BUT... TEH CELL!!!!!!!!!!!!11 ROFLMAO!!!!!!

[titntin]

If you actually read the original posts made on the forum where this comparison was done, the guy was pretty sure the picture he was using was not sourced from the PS3. Hence the 'almost certainly' - its currently speculation.
The forum post this 'news' is based on, was rejected as news yesterday, but its no surprise its reported on a site thats desperate for hits with absolutely no substantiation at all! Anything GTA gets a headline at the moment.

I'd suggest that we wait a little before assuming this is a valid. With the game officially available now, valid comparisons from verifiable screenshots will soon establish the truth of the matter.

[Britjadg]

bubbles sir.

[PR0NE]

your tenth one is on the way mister (or madam =P)...

[justgamez]

with your post speaks volumes as to why rumors like this burn in flames on sites like this (fanboy paradise). There was no sides taken with your point and yet some immature insecure moron hit the disagree tab. Absolutely sad.
Bubble up to you titntin for an EXCELLENT post!

[jackdoe]

Wait and see I guess. But even if it is 630p, at least the compromise has yielded something; fewer framerate drops (unlike Dark Sector which ran at 640p on the PS3 but had more occurences of framerate drops than the 360 version).

[ECM0NEY]

look at the umbrella cart on the screen shots. 360 is clearer for sure.

[Scerick]

You're kidding right?

You realize if your game looks like *either* of those shots your TV needs some serious calibrating. That is WAY too dark for any kind of enjoyment let alone an unbiased fair comparison.

[segasage]

for it to run better and a little bit smoother?
if true, that's not that great.

but but but it's not tru hd.

"'ll take 630p and cleaner image quality over pop-ups , more aliasing and longer load times anyday!
"

definetly take the monkey off halo 3's hands. well Cod4 did that.

[iMad]

But i don't know if it's good or bad until play the game.

[shadow_hearts]

Ofcourse not to mention about the HORRIBLE POP INS in x360 version

even Eurogamer is also saying that PS3 version looks better

[shelbygt33]

Nobody said "horrible pop-ins" when referring to the Xbox 360 version.

[poopface1]

I have it on 360 and there are barley any pop ins, its usualy only right after you load from dying or something. The draw distance is so far you can see from island to island so its not like buildings are just appearing or anything. The game is beautiful and runs smooth all the time even while creatuing huge wrecks.

[ECM0NEY]

wow the Cell rapes LOL!!!

[Cheboury]

Played over 6 hours on the PS3! I can't get used to the softer/darker image quality produced by the PS3. Also cut-scenes and certain areas aren't as smooth as on the Xbox 360.

I am switching back to Xbox 360 and will finish the game there. My point being that it all comes down to preference really. Xbox 360 is sharper, viberant and has more oomph color wise.

[titntin]

Except of course anyone reading your previous posts here will plainly see you are not a guy who's opinion is consistant.. and you seem incredibly ready to dismiss the findings of pretty relaible reviewers.
You or the reviewers? I know who I'd trust..
I've been playing 360 version for 5 days now and expect my PS3 version shortly, so I can see for myself soon.

4 days ago you posted:

' am a huge Xbox 360 fan but have to admit that opting for GTA IV to be ran without the HDD is a HUGE mistake!
I can say that having PLAYED both retail version of the game that the PS3 is superior!

[Mikelarry]

OWNED!!!gotta to watch wat you say you never know whos reading ur comments

[SickNick85]

the color,light and contrast is totally editable...for me you don't have a ps3 and don't have GTA4

i play on 360 and on ps3 and for 360 has a frame rate issue and tree pop in and more aliasing

there is a slightly blur on ps3 version

the version compared are very similar and for me isn't 630p on ps3 or isn't 720p on 360...the resolution is the same

this news are a failed news becasue it's based on forum post and an identical news is in failed

why this fake news is here?

[Cheboury]

Well you are very quick to draw YOUR conclusion on my previous post and that is understandable.

We are still conversing in English, right?

I said I prefer the PS3 at that time, since there is less pop-up!

But I simply can't get used to the blurry/softer picture that it produces.

Like I mentioned before... you can't go wrong with any version! It all comes down to preference!

However, pop-up seems not as bad as softer/blurry image accompanied with lesser framerate.

I am used playing my games with more of a pop to the colors!

So there you have it gun slinger... you shot but missed by an inch!

[prunchess]

You do realise that there are image adjustment settings on all HD TV's? Have you thought of adjusting yours?

[meepmoopmeep]

tin OWNED your azz boy.

[Bombomb]

haha so that's what it takes for the Ps3 games to look as good or better huh.

Adjust your TV sets gamers. That's where the problem lies.

It's your TV set.

Sony you are too clever for me...1080P 120fps BS. I gotta say you got me, ahhh you got me and plenty other Ps3 owners.

[aiphanes]

You know there are display settings to set...

You have to calibrate your HDTV....

The best settings for more tvs are the following:

Turn on super white but leave RGB to limited if you want shadow detail otherwise you get black crush with RGB full.

Try this folks...

[kewlkat007]

You just can't go around and Calibrate every Ps3 owner's tv.

not many know what your talking about in the first place and if in fact that was a solution to every multiplatform games, th en certain things would be turned on by default.

but they are not.

[fablib]

They have paid principal gaming sites just to say that our PS3 version is slightly superior…
The reality seems to say:

-) Lower Resolution
-) No AA but Vaselline effect;
-) Mandatory Installation (and it seems that some Pop-in are still there)
-) Worse frame rate
-) Huge Freezing problems (see the official forum: http://boardsus.playstation...

Sony, you are lies, never-ending promises and lies again!

[flambeau]

You are so delusional.

[justgamez]

@fablib
Care to explain IGN going out of their way to do a comparison video saying none of it matters if they were paid off by Sony?

Sony: here IGN say our version is slightly better in more aspects of the game over the 360 counterpart.

After review hits.

Sony while blushing: here IGN take some more money and do a comparison video and say they are pretty much dead even and none of it matters.

[SickNick85]

watch the image in the article...360 version seems suffer terrible dithering

[shine1396]

fablib: owned...!

[aiphanes]

By gosh...do you guys even think before you type this bull crap? I mean...I can see some of you are hardcore fanboys and fangirls...but to make these bogus claims of 630p and sony paying off reviewers is just crazy...when most people who have decent eyes and a decent tv know the Ps3 version looks better and plays better.

Sure we have freezing issues on some PS3 and Xbox 360 on this game...and it does effect both consoles...so it is either a bad discs or bad code...but some people are playing fine.

Some of you need to get a life...get your eyes checkes, get your HDTVs calibrated...get a correct HDMI cable from monoprice...here is the best HDMI cable for the PS3....the Xbox 360 is not HDMI 1.3a...so any HDMI cable will do.

http://www.monoprice.com/pr...

HDMI 1.3a Category 2 Certified Silver-Plated Copper CL2 Rated (For In-Wall Installation) Cable (24AWG) - 10ft (Gold Plated Connectors)

$23.85

This will give you the best picture...belive me I have this cable...and it rocks!

When you are doing a comparison...you have to set up both Xbox 360 and PS3 to the best settings to the same type TV.

You have to use a 1080p TV...
You have to set up the PS3 to use all the feature sets of a good 1080p tv...like
24 hz....automatic
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI)---on
RGB Full Range ----for bluray movies
RBG Limited Range----for games

Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr Super-White (HDMI)
Adjust output settings for TVs that support Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr input signals. Super-white signal can be output when playing a DVD, Blu-ray Disc (BD), or AVCHD-format video. This setting is for use when the TV is connected to the PS3™ system using an HDMI cable.
Off Disable super-white output.
On Enable super-white output.
Hints
If image quality is reduced or the image does not look right when this option is set to [On], set to [Off].
[Automatic] or [Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr] must be selected in [BD / DVD Video Output Format (HDMI)] under (Settings) > (BD / DVD Settings). *
* When [Automatic] is set, the TV in use must support a Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr input signal.

About x.v.Color / x.v.Colour
When this function is set to [On], content from AVCHD-format video files recorded in x.v.Color / x.v.Colour can be played with a wide color scale.

x.v.Color / x.v.Colour is a trademark proposed by Sony as the name to be assigned to devices that support "xvYCC," which is an international standard for color space in moving images. An advantage of x.v.Color / x.v.Colour is that it can reproduce a wider color scale than the conventional standard.
Hints
A TV that is compatible with x.v.Color (xvYCC) / x.v.Colour (xvYCC) must be connected via an HDMI cable
Content from an AVCHD-format video file recorded in x.v.Color / x.v.Colour is required to use this setting.

RGB Full Range (HDMI)
Adjust the output settings for TVs that support RGB full range. For RGB video signals, the range of color scale that is input varies depending on the TV in use. This setting is for use when the TV is connected to the PS3™ system using an HDMI cable.

Limited RGB output signal is output in the range from 16 to 235.
Full RGB output signal is output in the range from 0 to 255.

Hints
If black sometimes appears bright and sometimes appears pale on the screen when [Limited] is selected, set this option to [Full].
If black appears dull on the screen when [Full] is selected, set this option to [Limited].

[acdata]

what a superior ps3 version run at 630 p +pop up + 4GIG installation + with out Achievement + no rumble for six axis ( 9 million ps3 user doesn't have rumble ) + FREEZING issue + lack of DLC + no xboxlive
so CELL(tm) your ps3 and buy xbox360

[Britjadg]

equally: worse pop up on xbox 360, colder colours, slower load times, no sixaxis, you dont even know what dlc is yet, no psnetwork and lack of home integration.

spin works both way doesn't it you douche?

and as has already been said in countless threads, about 100 game review sites disagree with you, not to mention that 630p is even unconfirmed on the very site you are quoting from.

[iMad]

So if with 630p GTA4 looks better on PS3 why don't they do the same thing for XBOX 360 to look equal? I am really ROTFL because it's very funny what RockStar and media made in order to save PS3 GTA4 sales.

Great SONY!

[shadow_hearts]

Swedish gaming mag Gamereactor said that there are MAJOR DIFFERENCES between the 2 version

http://www.gamereactor.se/r...

Swedish Gamereactor mentioned in their 10/10 review that they were pretty surprised regarding the difference between the PS3 and 360-versions. The PS3-version features better colours, contrast, load times and what looks to be better resolution textures. The game also looks sharper and has a more stable fps.

IGN

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

" For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud".

X360 version has FR dips too . more frequent than the PS3 version
"Past GTA titles have had mild-to-serious framerate issues and technical glitches, because the games were trying to do far more than the PlayStation 2 could handle. While GTA IV is pushing the PS3 and 360 to the limit, it also runs amazingly well. Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected. That a game with great AI, an awesome physics engine and a detailed open world runs so well and with such short load times is a technical marvel. For that, I can forgive framerate issues and some noticeable aliasing. "

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

" PS3 version looks slightly more vibrant and sharp "

GAMESRADAR

http://www.gamesradar.com/x...

" Occasional pop-up".........ONLY IN X360 version of GTA4

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08...

GAMESRADAR also confirms that PS3 version is SUPERIOR

"While the PS3 and 360 versions of the game are functionally identical, the PS3's visuals sport noticeably smoother edges, along with a warmer color palette that makes everything look slightly more realistic. If you're looking to compare Accomplishments with your Achievement-hoarding friends, though, forget it - GTA IV ignores these half-assed consolation prizes altogether. PS3 owners also have to put up with a nearly eight-minute installation the first time they start the game, which puts the normally slower Blu-ray load times on par with the Xbox 360 version. (That is, unless it's running on a 360 with no hard drive, which we're told will face much longer loads.)"

http://www.gamesradar.com/p...

It is OVER for XBUTTS and 3 FIX ME

***************************** ********************

courtesy of SAMMY

[ssj]

Yeah & the worst part is you have been owned by a version designed 4 a 360 core using 'last gen' dvd.

[V_Ben]

thats a good way to start a flame war.

[Varsarus]

There has been no official comment from Rockstar, so it's still speculation, but I'm confused about them 400% zoomed in pictures, where the 360 version seems to be worse than the PS3 version.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[titntin]

Absolutely.

The scaled images are an excellent way to see the dither effects that are often seen on 360 renders.

Far from having a 'vasaline' effect as some trolls would like to claim, the PS3 simply renders to smoother blends instead of dithering, and this results in its smoother look.

This is indisputable from the images.

[fablib]

Vaselline effect is a filter applied over the images. Consequently, this filter gives smooth and blurs effect on the ENTIRE screen, loosing in this way many many details. Consider that PS3 seems to have also a lower resolution…
Now you know the warmer & softer graphic for our PS3…

[PirateThom]

So, PS3 has all the advantages bar resolution?

I'll accept that. Maybe the reason the 360 has worse AA, worse pop-up and what not is because of the higher resolution... just a thought.

[bym051d]

If by all advantages you aren't including DLC?

[PirateThom]

Paying more money for more product?

It's not really an advantage or a disadvantage, now, is it?

[bym051d]

Well, having the option is an advantage.

That's like saying that GTA V being exclusive for PS3 wouldn't be an advantage. Either way, it's more content.

[yanikins111]

Thought id come on here and see whats up.....Why dont you w***ers shut up and go and enjoy the game. Ive clocked about 10 hours now and i love it. Whingers.

[PirateThom]

Mine hasn't arrived yet, I'm allowed to continue my complaining. :p

[killer_trap]

well i'm a sony fan but i'm not a hypocrite. to everyone saying the resolution don't matter, remember what you were saying back when halo 3 was launched. life never ceases to amaze me, what goes around always comes around.

p.s don't be laughing 2 hard about this xbox fans cause you'll get your soon.

another saying, if you make enemies at both ends you'll end up with noooooo bubbles. lol

[PirateThom]

If anyone had actually played Halo 3 (or COD4) they'd know how pretty those games are, so it doesn't matter what resolution they run at.

[killer_trap]

don't forget call of duty4. it was even running at a lower res than halo but it's the best looking fps on CONSOLE to date.

console caped so if anyone says crysis i'll snipe him in the head.

hey....that call of duty wasn't there when i wrote this!!!!

[PirateThom]

Ha, it totally was, I don't want some PS3 fanboy to try and deny how good Halo 3 looks because of resolution.

I don't even like Halo 3, but it's a lovely looking game. It had a lot of colour at a time when most games were grey.

[killer_trap]

it was....looks like the only think that has a lower resolution is my eyes, please kindly help me play gta cause i can't see a thing.

[kewlkat007]

this is N4G after all.....

besides the fact Sony promised everything at 1080P 60-120fps while MS was more of a "realist" with 720P being the sweet spot because of all these factors with frame rate and sh^t.

Now devs are cutting corners to make the game simultaneously run and look smoother. I knew this was going to happen. After the Halo 3 = NOT TRUE-HD fall out. Look at where we are now?

I've always said, I would rather install the games on my HDD just so you get less load times but didn't think it would be necessary for most games. After the DMC4 fall out, Look at where we are now?

You know Karma can be a b$%^h.

Now as far as the superiority of each console, I bought them for the games I cannot play on each. I'll take a closer look at multi-platforms, before making a purchase, for whichever console. Right now I just do not think 1 console is way above the other. some will think Exclusives proves otherwise, while some will look at multi-plat titles and say the opposite.

Now I'm glad this game is finally out. Now put down COD4 and go play the Fn game, and stop B$%^hin. Now what will be the next game with as much flaim bait prior to release?

[360 man]

ha ha ha 630p
ps3 is so inferior

[shadow_hearts]

PS3 version upscales to 1080P

that 3 FIX ME version runs at 1080i

[tehReaper]

Sammy, you're an idiot.

[karlostomy]

Please oh please oh please

STFU!

You are an embarrassment to the human race.

[dale1]

@cheboury one word owneeeeeeeeeedddddddddd, ouch bigtime what was the point with that comment

[Bathyj]

I'm playing upscaled at 1080p and its beautiful so I "almost certainly" dont care. Its time to stop nitpicking and just enjoy this game guys.

[dale1]

considering gtaiv was started first on 360 and by all accounts of reveiws that stay the ps3 is the better version its a great starting point for the next gta series under rockstar.lets not forget that ps3 will get rockstars next game exclusive to ps3 and 360 will almost certainly not get the next gta game due to disc space as hinted by houser, so i can,t see any problem,s here

[Ariexv]

Both LA Noire and Red dead revolver are Multi-platform, you fail HARD.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

GTA V, LA Noire and Red Dead 2 are all coming to the 360.

Why would Rockstar even mention that MS needs to get their storage situation resolved for GTA V if they had no plans at all for releasing the game on the 360? By the time GTA V comes out who knows what the console landscape will look like.

[MrSwede]

If you are really interested in pixels just check Quaz51's posts here http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

They locked the pixelcounting thread for now but the next post Quaz51 makes should be about pixels :)

[WIIIS1]

Its all coming back to haunt the droids HAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm sure I'll be having a few more good laughs when MGS4 launches with bloopers as well. Power of the Cell!

[aliveinboston]

Rockstar was never able to get as good performance out of the PS2 as other developers and I don't see why people expect anything different with the PS3, which also has a very complex architecture.

Having said that, they obviously made a very good game so I'd recommend buying it anyway.

As for PS3 vs Xbox360, despite the lower resolution, the Xbox360 version has inferior lighting, less stable frame-rate, and really bad texture and geometry pop-in, particularly when you move fast. Sometimes things pop-in right in front of you. Neither version has incredible graphics so the reality is that if the game had been made exclusively for either console it would have had much better graphics.

[jtucker78]

You're kidding right?
"Rockstar was never able to get as good performance out of the PS2 as other developers..."
How do you know?
Before GTA3 how many other games had so much going on at once in a large city?
How do you know how hardware intensive creating a huge city with long draw distances is?

Regarding the PS3
CoD4 looks amazing, but it has shorter draw distances than GTA4, has less NPCs on screen at once and isn't using a Euphoria animation engine in the background. So it is bound to have better visuals.

I hope you're not basing your argument on graphics alone as that would be particularly ignorant.
How do you know what calculations the GTA games are having to run in the background? Which ultimately reduce the quality of the visuals.

I take it that you used to work for Rockstar so know how good their programming staff are?

[poopface1]

the fps are smooth and pop in is pretty much no existant, only time I ever noticed it was right after a load when I deid. Not while driving fast as crap. Do you guys understand how far the draw distance is in this game?

[360 man]

if the ps3 is truly more powerful than 360, then why do they need to cut corners by reducing the resolution to a non HD resolution. the 360 is in native 720p. shouldnt the ps3 be running at native 1080p.

[mistertwoturbo]

"Almost" Certainly.

[BIoodmask]

because it will be upscaled anyways. It was the same with Halo 3 and most other games. These consoles don't have enough video ram to run high resolutions at good framerates, Especially with big open worlds. If they had a gig or more ram it would be different.

If it is true that the PS3 version runs at a lower resolution it was most likely because Rockstar was having problems achieving a smooth framerate on the PS3 version.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Decrease in resolution = increase in frame rate. Ever played a PC game before? You can adjust the settings manually.

[Varsarus]

Halo 3 had the same issues, which is how it got dumbed down to 640p to improve frame rates, but this is happening to a multiplatform game....Halo 3 res happened in an exclusive...

Dumbing down the resolution on an exclusive is far far more embarrasing then it happening to a multiplatform....

@below

ROFL, dude, you don't know what your saying, you name me at least ONE PS3 exclusive that has had to dumb down the resolution to improve the frame rate....

[WIIIS1]

Think about what you're saying, 'cos the logical inference to make would be that if Halo 3 was done on the PS3, it'll probably have to be 480i.

@ above - LMAO maybe you should try to understand that different games have different demands - gameplay as vast as Halo 3 with smooth online multiplayer as priority certainly require more from a system than a single-player/ single character platformer like say Uncharted or that hack and slash Heavenly Sword.

[Varsarus]

I find it funny that you putted in Uncharted & Heavenly Sword since the graphics of them games require ALOT more from a system, and also without mentioning Killzone 2 or Resistance 2, THAT also requires a heck of alot from a system, not even a very high-end PC can handle them sort of animations, lightning & such that KZ2 is doing, and to say the least, that the 360 is uncapable of using 60 players online.

Again, give me an article that states the resolution of a PS3 exclusive is dumbed down to improve frame rates...

[Britjadg]

@ 10.1

how the fuk would you come to a dumbass conclusion like that? what is it you think is so superior about the 360 that means it can play at substantially high res than ps3? i'm fairly sure that this 630p thing will prove to be false or that xbox will be running at the same res. there would be noticeable differences in sharpness if not.

but even if its not: to date the only games i know of that have been 1080p have been prologue and lair both ps3 exclusives. halo was 640p and gears was what? 720p?

[ssj]

Yeah your right thats why Mega Gay Solid is a MF joke

[Lookbehind]

Wow it doesn't even say 630 p on the box.. isn't this false advertising then.Or wait some of you actually take this article seriously. This isn't true boys only 360 people would believe this garbage. Ps3 version is clearly superior.

[green]

Halo 3 runs at 640p but check behind the box and it states 720p/1080i/1080p

COD4 runs at 600p but behind the box it states otherwise.

Dark sector(PS3 verison) runs at less than 720p but states otherwise.

The console upscales it to the resolution stated behind the box.So it aint false advertising

[Glad to be a gamer]

So that why the graphics appear warmer and softer on the Ps3. They down scaled the resolution then added the vaseline filter so that you cant see some of the imperfections. Would also explain why the colours dont seem as vibrant.

Either way we all get the same game but i must admit that as a neutral gamer i still find it funny that the ps3 which is meant to be the power house of consoles had to get the res downgraded.

Been playing the 360 version for 3-4 hours and no pop up once so far and no frame rate issues either. I wonder if these differences have been blown way out of proportion on sites. Maybe it only occurs when the screen is rammed with action?

Guess ill find out soon enough.

[ElementX]

Sure, everyone laughed at Halo 3's sub-HD resolution but it's cool now because GTA4 on PS3 is the same?

[Varsarus]

Dumbing down the resolution to improve frame rate on an exclusive is far far more worse & embarrasing than a multiplatform...

[green]

Its the other way round.With an exclusive you have nothing to compare it to so it aint bad because there is no way of knowing how that exclusive would run if it was on another console

But with a multiplat it's worse because you have to dump down the resolution to match the version on the rival console that Sony claimed is way way more powerfull.

And this is not even the 1st time.Dark sector on the 360 is 720p but less on the PS3.

[Varsarus]

I would definitely find it impossible for the 360 to run GT5P with the amount of polygons each car produces, and the capabilities of 16 cars on the track, not to mention 1080P @ 60fps.

Not even a very high-end PC can handle the amazing animations, lightning that KZ2 gives.

Multiplatform developers haven't received all the available dev tools for the PS3, where they have for the 360 and have been for the last 3 years, plus it's Rockstar's first game on the PS3, so you think they'll do better with it in later games, when more dev tools come?

Dark Sector was also a first game on the PS3 by Digital Extremes, and Halo 3 isn't the 1st game on the 360 to dumb down the resolution, Perfect Dark Zero had the same issues too.

[green]

I played GT5p extensively on the PS3 last week for a long time.The graphics are fantastic i will give you that.But what makes you think that GT5p cant run on the 360?

Hope you are not comparing it to forza 2 because that game focused much more on the physics engine then any other part of the game.

I am just going to quote what FORDGTGUY posted about forza2 in a previous thread

"The engine it uses the most advanced tire model in existence co-created with TOYO Tires. Including a 360 pfps(physics frames per second)and also over 70,000 physics calculations a second per car on track. The cars and tracks were fine tuned by race drivers and automotive engineers not to mention the creator of Road Atlanta. After the physics engine Forza 2 also sports the best engine sounds and sound effects i've ever heard in a racing game".

Dont also forget about the immense levels of customization to both the engine and chassis and also the thousands of paint layers that you can apply to cars.Go to Forza website and see the cars that people have designed.

Forza 2 started work on the original xbox then switched to 360 loosing 6 months of dev time.So alot of things like in car view and the rest had to be removed.

All i am saying is that looks are not everything in a game,COD4 looks way better than GTA4 but GTA4 tests the capabilities of a console far more than COD4 can every do.

So from all this,there is absolutely no way of knowing if GT5p can run on the 360 or not.

EDIT:Dont hype killzone2 until it is released.which is now looking likely to be in 2009

[ghostface]

yea, but halo wasnt mutiplatform either.

[Varsarus]

I'm not comparing Forza 2, that quote has no meaning that GT5 (the full game) will look or play worse.

The RSX is scheduled for an API update which is OpenGL Mt Evans, it's a DirectX 10 equivalent, plus it can do a whole lot more. GT5P nor Uncharted, infact every game on the PS3 released hasn't come with any of Mt Evans' features. This information could be why Home was delayed, and the exclusives being held up due to Mt Evans' being delayed a few times.

The below link will prove it all

Notice that the RSX supports OpenGL ES 2.0?

"Next Generation OpenGL “Mount Evans” will leverage OpenGL ES 2.0
- Adding significant new functionality to the streamlined OpenGL ES 2.0 core"

on page 6

http://www.khronos.org/deve...

You will then see that after Mt Evans, it will merge into OpenGL Halti, which is due in 2010, and no doubt will be even better!

I can see without a doubt that GT5 (the full game) will be alot lot better than the prologue edition, OpenGL has a history of outperforming Direct3D in performance & quality just to point that out lol.

All this information about OpenGL is the reason why I'm saying, that the 360 just simply cannot run PS3 games in the future, the 360 only has limited capabilities of DX10, whereas the PS3 will have ALL of it's features & a whole lot more, thank's to OpenGL.

"Dont hype killzone2 until it is released.which is now looking likely to be in 2009"

I'm sorry, what??, do you know that's also scheduled to be playing the part of the Mt Evans beta???, which is why it's "rumoured" to be coming in 2009, now, I would like you to give me a 360 game that looks on par with the KZ2 gameplay at E3 2007, because I haven't seen one.

[jtucker78]

630p
Who gives a crap? I wouldn't be bothered if this game ran in 480p

The technology that makes GTA4 special is the physics, draw distances etc. If that causes us to lose a little resolution... ...so be it.

We are gaining far more in the way the game plays than we are in terms of graphics... ...not to say GTA4s graphics aren't good.

When are people going to stop writing articles saying "PS3 version does this..." "360 version does that..."

I've got one word for you all:

"GOURANGA!"

[Says you]

Not a developer from R* knows the PS3 version is 630p? last time I check you would have confirmation from the game developers themselves like Bungie when they said that Halo 3 is 640p and you guys are just getting excited something thats not from the developers themselves you XBox 360 fans are truly pathetic in every way! congratulations!.

[SL1M DADDY]

Good god, fanboys need to give it a rest.

[meepmoopmeep]

a lower res game looking better than a higher res?
life is wonky

"almost certainly" almost? that's like the same but different

[MrSwede]

Ok, thread unlocked now in case you're interested :).
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[XB-T]

Doesn't change the fact that the PS3 version is still the superior one.

[MrSwede]

So here's the final result from Quaz51:
"Good news, dot50cal send me very good screenshot (thanks) and finally it's 1152x640p (and no AA) exactly like Halo3, perfect Dark or Dark sector PS3
even though i has clearly identified 7/8 recurrence on many different edge and screenshot but insufficient edge lenght and bad screenshot lead astray me, sorry, it's finally 8/9 and 9/10 recurrence, it's the final result!"

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[4cough]

PS3 630p, overhyped juddering bland piece of crap.

[acdata]

nice picture attached

[pp]

630P I'M GLAD I DON'T OWN A PS3 HAHAHA

[ssj]

F@ck yeah

[MrWonderful]

i dont see what the big deal is. halo 3 was sub hd and all you xtards thought that was the greatest game ever

[fablib]

Unfortunately, the point here is very clear.
Sony as usual, has deceived us as the PS3 version presents:

-) lower resolution
-) no AA but “Vaselline effect”
-) Mandatory installation (but pop-in issues still remain)
-) Worse frame rate
-) Infamous Freezing Problems
…no dlc…

I feel angry:
1° ) because is it clear now (at least to me) that PS3 is not the monster Sony wants us to believe… Think about the recent Kojima statements…
2° ) because all the main gaming sites (not all!!! But now we finally know the ones that are to be trusted) do not tell us the truth!!! They have sold their professionalism to Sony!!!

[Britjadg]

OMGGGGGGGGGG its a global deception conspiracy theory isn't it? sony have bought every gaming journalist in the world!!!!!

LOL little dude.

[u got owned]

@14.2

That's what everybody said about MS when Halo 3 was getting good reviews. Karma is a B1@tch.

[MrWonderful]

I personally dont buy systems for what the companies say the can do I buy them to enjoy the games that are coming out on them

[meepmoopmeep]

i'll wait for a more reliable source. how can the majority of reviewers and even sam houser say the ps3 version is slightly better but a nobody on a forum says otherwise?

[Rhythmattic]

Holy SHlT,
I generally read through forums, and never reply...

But this i've gotta say, Talk about a bunch of School Boys, I'm giving you all an early mark so you can all go home and play GTAIV.

And there will be no test tomorrow.

EDIT. Ahh , the disagrees for what ? U Just another Lamer Gamer ?

[mistertwoturbo]

So there you have it folks, the biggest games of this generation is running lower resolutions. Started with Halo, then COD4, and now GTA IV.

It seriously points out how much people care more about graphics than gameplay. Which is what GTA IV excels at.

[360 man]

ha ha ha 630p

[xg-ei8ht]

Maybe because this nobody is the man who discovered halo 3 resolution.

[fahmbo]

see here for 360 unprocessed screen captures:

http://imk.cx/screenshots/x...

proof is in the puddin. I would rather have less pop-in than a slight bump up from 640p, though this is more likely related to the lack of an install on the 360 version (MS! let RS make a patch for an OPTIONAL install!) Either way ultimately both versions are equally awesome (been playing it since yesterday), you cant go wrong with either.

[ssj]

except 4 the PS3 1

[Bombomb]

"You do realise that there are image adjustment settings on all HD TV's? Have you thought of adjusting yours?"

adjust your TV sets gamers. That's where the problem lies.

it's your TV set.

Sony you are too clever for me...1080P 120fps BS, super duper computer.

I gotta give it to you sony got me, ahhh you got me and plenty other Ps3 owners.

[Grown Folks Talk]

still b*tching & moaning & arguing with strangers. I guess most of you were right. You'll never finish the game because you'll be too busy trying to prove your version is "better".

[monkfish]

Can anyone confirm this 100% yet..... What would the reasons for this be. I do dislike the way it takes so long for this sort of stuff to be found out.... Either way it looks like a great game on both systems but why would the ps3 have a lower resolution. i didnt know this happened on other games as well.
i dont want to start a flame war but the ps3 should be the one running the better resolution if you beleive sony in its power claims. Thing is...i dont. Anyone else feel this way....

[Azures]

Not once has the 360 version been called graphically superior by a review outlet. It has always been the same or the PS3 ahead because of the framerate and pop-in issue the 360 has.

I know it might shake up this fanboy world, but a multiplatform game might be better on the ps3...omg save us.

AND the PS3 currently leads the 360 in review scoring by .7 points across all reviews. I know it isn't much but it's worth rubbing into your 360 fanboy faces for not seeing the truth.

[monkfish]

thats the thing though if this rumour is true the 360 version is 720

also i think everyones trying to be very careful about not saying nything much against either version less they anger one side and lose sales maybe?

i would be suprised if a reviewer would say version A looks great but version B looks terrible...

ah i see you edited out the 630 bit....

[Azures]

Then really people should ask themselves.

"How does the PS3 manage to look better even at a lower resolution?"

Hell they might have purposely toned it down to make both versions appear equal, lord knows their is enough blu-ray space to kick the res up a notch if necessary. No one thinks about that possibility.

[poopface1]

the 360 has NO FRAMERATE ISSUE.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Rockstar said the PS3 version is clearly better.

This, of course, was before they released the game though.

Anybody else smell a payoff?

[monkfish]

i hear the wii is graphically superior to both what with its 480p resolution version due out soon.... maybe?

[Lord Vader]

I defended Halo when ppl said this & I'll defend the PS3 now, 630p = it doesnt matter ! A higher or lower resolution is subjective to the nature of the recording or video feed. You can take a crappy looking movie & convert it to 1080p & it still looks like crap with more lines of resolution, in fact, it will probably look worse.

Conversely, you can take say the video data of a game like GTA IV or Halo 3 & release it at a supposed lower resolution (630/640p), & it will still look great. As long as it has more than 500++ lines of resolution, & more importantly, the quality of the original recording/video. 1080p, 720p, these are numbers identifying the available lines of resolution on HDTV's. It doesnt matter how high the resolution is if the original recording sucks.

Ever seen a dvd or a BluRay movie that looked better or worse than another movie ??? That's not the lines of resolution available talking, it's the equipment used to record it = it's reflective of the quality of the orignal recording.

So 630p ??? It doesnt matter. All that matters is that it looks good, not how many lines of resolution it has.

Enjoy your game.

[bootsielon]

Considering the PS3 version still looks better.

[Official General]

I've just bought a copy of the PS3 version of GTA and I'm about to play it now. It says HD 1080p, 1080i and 720p on the back of the GTA 4 PS3 version's box. Rockstar themselves confirmed on Gamespot that both versions of GTA 4 run at 720p natively, just Google it and check it out yourself. If the game's own developers state this then I'd rather believe them. This information is coming from one guy on an internet forum who's counting pixels off screenshots, I mean come get real! It's funny that when nearly all reviewers say the PS3 version looks and runs better than the 360 version, all these silly bullsh*t stories come out. You 360 guys are now sounding desperate and look like serious idiots, cant you just go ahead and enjoy playing the game? Just accept it 360 fans and live with it, the PS3 version is the better version.

I'm off to play it on my PS3 and I'll be back to tell you how it looks.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Yes and the back of COD4 says 720p/1080p/1080i and so does Halo 3.

Don't you understand why people have a problem with this so much? They are advertising the upscaled resolutions versus the native ones. Probably thinking that people don't care or won't notice. If I bought a V8 and then came home and found out it was a V6 I would be p*ssed.

@18 below - Brilliant! I will be using that across the internetz. +bubble for you.

[Bullseye]

Right of the bat i'll admit to having absolutely no interest in which version of GTAIV is 'superior'. In fact i have no intention to buy or even rent the product, so may you all be very happy with your purchase regardless of console.However, i would like to pose a question to the fanboys ,because i'm interested to hear their reasoning.Now,it's not yet confirmed whether the PS3 version does run with a lower resolution or not, lets make that clear.Still, lets suppose for a second it is true.Wait for it... The question is simple.Why would devs choose to lower the resolution on one console and not the other? That's it, nothing more, a simple question. Anyone care to answer?

[iiprotocolii]

And let's add a little something to this ludicrous debate. People don't seem to perceive that any news conjured on GTA release day WILL, without a fact, get attention. Trolls/Fanboys want to fiercely take an unknown site's story as "confirmation" and use that as a basis to attack and belittle the PS3. They don't seem to understand that the words "almost certainly" means "maybe". But the fact of the matter is that you cannot take news like this to heart. And, of course, these same trolls will religiously promote the fact that reviewers who gave the PS3 the "preference" were paid off by Sony. It seems to me that the majority of these trolls have issues with understanding the context of written words - where preference, I thought, meant personal choice. Keywords, gentlemen - _Personal_ choice. It's funny how gullible people can be to speculation and misinformation; and how quick they are to use that as an attack without actual confirmation. It'd be pretty funny if Rockstar shoots down this rumor. Then trolls/fanboys will, of course, whine over the fact that Sony paid Rockstar to say that. Heh... fanboyism at its peak.

You gentlemen want to sit their and spend the next five hours ranting about which console is better and which version of GTA is superior? How about to do away with the whining and just enjoy the game. It was made to enjoy, not to argue over. I, personally (<---- Keyword there, trolls) PREFER GTA on PS3 and now I'm going to go have Niko abuse random people.

[karlostomy]

There once was a console PS3
what should be available for free
it was chockfull of hype
but really just shyte
and ran at crappy 630p

Flame on brothers!

[butterfinger]

My favorite thing in all of this is that 360 people read the title of the article, then they quit. I've read a few articles about this today, and everyone says the most interesting aspect is that they still prefer the PS3's visuals over the 360's. It is hilarious to see that people truly believe they can see a huge difference in 720p and 630p on their TVs and that it means they can just come on the internet and argue about something they are not getting paid to spam sites for.

In the meantime, I've been up all night playing GTAIV, and I'll go back to playing with my EU friends on my non-region-locked version with free online, smoother framerate, and less pop-ins. lol

[Mwaan]

It's actually running at an even lower resolution than Halo 3. Remember all the hell you sony fans gave the xbox guys? Well, it's about to come back on you ten fold. I on the other hand, don't care. A great looking game is a great looking game.

[felidae]

who cares? even this guy says it looks better on the ps3.

lol 630p ps3 looks better than 720p on 360 ...

[Ariexv]

Really? Where does he say that? Not even once is it mentioned, he just shows the post processing effects vs the resolution.

[kevin1122]

the first post he writes says he like the ps3 version more. But this still seems fishy, i would wait a little while longer to see more proof.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

So whats new? this was expected when you cross platform develop =slash resources-and given Rockstar previous crappy game engines ,(not exactly or ever will be top tier playstation programmers) until they get exclusive.

Everyone here would agree a game Like Uncharted thats been out for a while is graphically superior cause of it's exclusiveness on the native platform PS3/bluray,cell,streaming used
..While these cross platform games are just a Hand me Down inferior PC version as usual.
best played at 1024x768 on an nvidia 8800gt.

Rockstar North will go Exclusive in a year Im sure.
Hopefully They'll learn Bluray and RSX and Cell Right...
And give us a GTA we deserve.
*& yes Im a Graphics Whore why else would I trade in my Sega Genesis?
=D lol

[Ariexv]

Really? got any proof? R* themselves have said they have several works around to the Dvd9 size, why would they bother if they were going exclusive? Not to mention LA Noire and Red dead revolver 2 are both Multi-platform now.

[akaFullMetal]

ok so some guy says the ps3 version is 630, ok???? not really legit, but anyways, what is the 360 resolution???

[Ariexv]

360 resolution is 720p native.

[lucious]

My roommate and I got both versions. I've been playing the 360 version on the 42inch plasma, he's been playing the ps3 version on the 42 inch Sharp LCD in the living room.

If ....and I do mean if......the ps3 version is running at 90 pixels less of rez, they did the right thing. I was noticing trees and pedestrians popping in a good bit and it didn't really bother me on the 360. When I watched the PS3 version, you could tell the edges (especially white on black or black on white) where not nearly as rough as the xbox version. Also, the trees and pedestrians didn't pop in all the time on the PS3. The overall experience is much more what you want to experience on the PS3.

If they did do it in 630p, maybe it was because they needed more horsepower to get the extra AA and resolve the pop issue by making it run on HD. Sucks that he's moving out in 3 weeks because he takes the LCD TV and the PS3 with him. But I've still got Gears......

[nambo]

but if this story is indeed true, I hope we can finally put to rest that the PS3 isn't superior to the 360, and vice versa. They're about equally powerful, both with their strengths and weaknesses. The fact that to some, the PS3 version looks sightly better, but runs at a lower resolution should be evidence of that.

I do think it was a mistake by MS to not make the HD standard on the 360. The pop-in issue and sightly longer load times could have been eliminated if a good portion of the game was loaded on the HD like on the PS3.

[pp]

Hey akaFullMetal i'll tell you one thing its not 630p xbox360 version runs at 1080p after all it is xbox360

[Britjadg]

really? so the developers were lying when they said the 360 version runs @ 720p?

if you dont know the answers to questions. simply dont answer them. theres enough fanboy rubbish in here without ignorance boosting the ranks.

[firelogic]

Just read every single review that's been published so far and view all the head-to-head comparison videos for your answer. The bottomline is (by the majority of cases) the PS3 version looks better than the 360 version. Some say the differences are minimal, some say they're pretty noticeable. So it doesn't matter what the PS3 version lacks, all you should care about is which one looks and plays better. If you told me that the PS3 version is running with no post processing effects at a native resolution of 640x480 and it still looked and played better than the 360, there's nothing to complain about. You're all making yourselves look like idiots because a lower res game, with no AA looks better than your 720p native version.

[TOM]

http://static.videogamer.co...

blurry is better i guess.

[Ariexv]

So on Non-HD Tvs that Ps3 looks better(480i/480p) but on 1080p/720p TVs the 360 version will look better..... bu bu but I thought the Ps3 was the tru-HD system to own? what happened?

-) lower resolution
-) no AA but “Vaselline effect”
-) Mandatory installation (but pop-in issues still remain)
-) Worse frame rate
-) Infamous Freezing Problems
…no dlc…

[Ariexv]

So comparing the game to my friends Ps3 version on my 1080p TV.... swapping back and forth every couple of seconds. It's clear the 360 version is better in 1080p and 720p. As for the frame-rate it seems like the 360 version has higher, but also has very slightly more pop-in(I think I saw a tree popin from a mile away once)

[monkfish]

i can see it now lol......high def tellys are a pointless wast of money so join me in ushering in a new era of 480i CRT'S

i seem to remember a lot of sony owners having a good laugh at halo for its low resolution and now its not even important anymore....hell lets play gta4 on our phones then.

[edhe]

All the claims about the ps3 for release.

Yes folks, Sony lied through the teeth about the fullHD console and you've all been shafted again.

You cannot expect any crossplatform release to be technically superior on the ps3, the 360 has it already. PS3 was too late.

i think 'less popup' is hardly a good deal vs lower resolution, no AA, smeared graphics, mandatory install, evident ps3 60GB crashing issues, bad controller, no custom soundtracks and no pre-packaged voice or cross game invites and extra cost.

Want value? Don't buy Sony.

[Varsarus]

I've got a PS3 vs 360 comparision in the bowling alley.

PS3
http://img294.imageshack.us...

360
http://imk.cx/screenshots/x...

as you can see, a big difference.

ahahahahaha.

[juuken]

You're right, there is a difference.

[Rhezin]

PRICELESS THATS WORSE THAN HALO 3, HAHA THAT OUGHT TO SHUT YOU PS3 DUMBASS' UP.

[RacingX]

all you people are like crabby old ladies losing the big BINGO game....who gives a FROGS FAT A$$ if the PS3 has mandatory loads, or there's minor popin in the 360 rev....ARE YOU CLOWNS PLAYING THIS GAME???? ITS FREAKIN FUN! I got home from the 12am launch and popped it in to check it out and before I knew it, it was 3:10am AND I HAVE TO GO TO WORK in 3hrs... $HIT...Get your fanboy a$$es off this site and why don't you play the game instead of complain about it, who knows you might ACTUALLY like it.....

[RacingX]

I got a disagress for telling people to just play the game.....incredible...this site is a joke, grow up people

[Avto]

This is so gay how can a bloke who doesn't even have a PS3 dev kit and does all his screens without HDMI can tell us what resolution does the game run plus all the reviews said PS3 version looks a bit better all the vids on the net say the same thing I've seen PS3 version and doesn't look anything like the pics posted so what's up. Now internet tells what to believe.

[u got owned]

So the rumor is true, this is interesting, it makes you wonder if the PS3 really is more powerfull than the Xbox 360. More like PS2.5 and Xbox 1.5 jeje jeje

The botton line is that we gamers got a superb product for both consoles.

[aiphanes]

The cell will run rings around a cpu in the Xbox 360...do you see any xbox 360 folding@home?

GTA4 runs better and looks better on the PS3...fact...all reviewers have said so...and some people with 1080p tvs have not ran GTA4 in the 1080p upscalled mode...so they do not know what the best this game can look...

Everything negative on this thread is just to try and make the PS3 version look non superior to the xbox 360 version...when they really are close...but not quite.

[The Dude]

@aiphanes

Wow too bad the cell can't run rings around GTA4 in HD. I guess you can go back to folding or playing gta4 in standard def. Wow all along the ps3 was holding back the 360. I can't wait till developer figure out how to unlock all the power of the 360. They unlocked all the power of the ps3 and there is none left. PS3 DOA

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Bad news for the Droids all around today. 360 degrees of bad GTA IV news.........boo hoo :(

Call of Duty 3 ~ 1088x624
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600
Conan = 1024x576
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720p
Def Jam Icon = 1152x648
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720
Fifa Street = 1920x1080
Full Auto 2 = 1920x1080
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585
Jericho = 996x560
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance = 1920x1080
MX vs ATV = 1024x576
MLB08: The Show = 1190x640 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Pirates des Caraibes = 768x1080
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
The Darkness = 1024x576
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground = 1024x576
Transformers = 960x1080
Virtua Fighter 5 = 1024x1024
1024x768 en mode 1080p
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720

[InYourMom]

What??!!

Is that for real??

LOL!

I do like my PS3 though, but all this superior talk needs a good head butt!

Where did you get that video of Nasim/Shadow_Hearts at?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Youtube, just type in "throwing fit" should give you a list of vids. Very funny stuff, temper tantrum, whiner, and cry baby are also good.

[djroberts]

Where's the proof that it's 630p? Not that it matters but this seems like some random rumor everyone is treating as fact.

[sheng long]

soooo, are any of you guys going to play and enjoy the game, or are you going to get your panties all twisted and lose sleep over which version is superior?

[harpua]

"For example, look at the dithering on the signs in the background on those shots. A bit ugly on Xbox 360, but smoothed and blurred away on PS3, presenting a generally nicer look."

does anyone even read the articles any more? not first time "ugly" and "360" are used in the same sentence.

[DFresh]

Wrong both versions are confirmed to be 720P with the exception of the PS3 Version being able to upscale to 1080P.
Whoever wrote is article is retarded probably just another jealous Xbot afraid that the PS3 just won again.

[tonytouchx]

i cant believe everybody reads this garbage and starts a silly fanboy war,what a shame! while everybody should be playing the damn game,so get over your selfs,this goes to all u fanboys

[KingME]

Remember when it was found that HALO3 wasn't running at 720p. OMFG you guys went on a rampage. Regardless to people saying that game still looked great, that didn't stop you. You just kept on barking. Now, as it's being said that the PS3 version of GTA IV is running at 620p (which is even lower than the 640p that halo 3 was running at.) you all are saying "so what, it looks better than the 360.", "Who cares as long as it looks good.", blah blah blah. You guys crack me up with your double standards.

Funny how I see it, with out judging (too much), it just makes questions pop up in my head.

Question 1: Why the manditory install
Question 2: Why the lower resolution

Kinda makes you go hmmmm.

[jackdoe]

1)Mandatory install to improve load times and reduce pop-up (which it does).
2) Lower resolution to improve framerate and add more filters/light sources (which it does; fewer framerate drops on the PS3 version than the 360 version and a "warm" feel on the PS3 version).
Oh, and for the record, I couldn't tell if Halo was 640p or 720p and I didn't give a damn. I bought the game anyway. Though, it seems that both 360 and PS3 fanboys have double standards (those that defended the Halo 3 640p are attacking the GTAIV 630p, and those that attacked the H3 640p are defending GTAIV 630p). You know why? Definition of a fanboy: double standards up the wazoo.

[butterfinger]

Kinda makes you go "duh".

[joevfx]

whya re soem peopel saying " it relys on a hard drive install to play" you guys are idiots, you WANT the game installed on your hard drive. what shmuck wants to stream a game liek this ( or any game ) off an optical disc? THere isnt an home optical drive in the word that streams data faster then a harddrive SATA 2 connection.

[ceee227]

So I guess the Blue Ray disc is only needed for movies...if we go by your argument, right.

Install the 3 DVD discs and just run the game off of the Hard Drive. Who needs BD for games, not me. I have tons of multi-disc PC games, it did not bother me because of the installs.

[etownone]

Holy crap!!!

I am just amazed at the sonyfans just totally dismissing the facts and still stating the ps3 version is superior!?!?!

The latest tests by Quaz51 at Beyond3D have revealed that the PS3 version HAS NO AA! Compared to 2xMSAA for the XB360 version.
And now the same guy that confirmed Halo3 ran at 640p now discovered it runs at 630p for the ps3??

So, the "superior" ps3 version has no AA, runs at 630p, no DLC, washed out colors, and the latest news is reports of problems installing on the HDD.

hahaha....as much as ps3 were jumping on the chance to brag that the ps3 version is "superior", let the FACTS show, Rockstar had to dumb down the resolution with no AA just to try to get it running on par with the 360 version.

EDIT guy below.... typical fanboy in denial.
ps3 owners still jump at the chance to point out Halo 3 runs at 640p.
So to have all these FACS about the lower resolution and no AA is a big deal, and NOT a matter of preference like reviews. We are talking FACTS. PS3 got dumbed down to try to make it as good as the 360 version.

[aiphanes]

Who said that the PS3 version has no AA and was native at 640p or 630p...how did he do his test? What mode was he running his PS3 at?
It all sounds made up to me....washed out colors? that is a new one to me...I like how the xbots make stuff up all the time..when they know in their hearts of hearts that the PS3 version is superior graphically....I hear you guys on the DLC...but come on now...this DLC is not comming out till Christmas...and we still have not final info that the PS3 version will never get DLC...its all speculation....just like this whole thread.

And now it is 640p and not 630p? somebody make up their mind on how they are really testing this...later on they will come back and say it was 720p or 600p...

[jackdoe]

Added the Kotaku take on the story. Pretty funny and not a PS3 bashing story! They pretty much say, under their own analysis, that while the PS3 version runs at 630p, Rockstar took the extra processing power freed up by it, to put more filters and lighting which gives the PS3 version its supposed "warm" feel.

[Scrooge]

I guess we'll have to stop making fun of halo 3 being 640p.

[JokesOnYou]

Well I have been enjoying the game on my 360 for about 3hrs now, so I decided to take a break, its a pretty cool game, the City is huge and so alive, great voice acting, Rockstar has improved so much in every category, the Cell phone is pure genius, yeah and this game ain't for the kiddies, definitely deserves the high scores except for graphics imo, but other than that small gripe its a blast to play.

Now as far as this news goes all I will say is that its very very ironic considering how hard some sony loyalists have tried to convince the world how "superior" the ps3 version was. ha ha luckily I'm still on my very best behavior, so I will just say stop counting pixels and play the damm game no matter which version you own, oh I forgot some can't play the game with that annoying "little" freezing problem I just heard about, damm that sucks.- j/k No but seriously I hope Rockstar will work hard to get that fixed quickly for those who have that problem.

JOY

[InYourMom]

who jumped all over me when I brought this up yesterday!

HAHAHAHA

I told you so!

Someone actually had the nerve to say that it is running 1080p native LOL. You are running the superior non-HD version. LOL!

bu bu the cell.

[Vip3r]

Oh so now the graphics are important? But I guess 630p is a far site worse that popups or slow textures.

[The Dude]

I haven't seen any popup on the 360 version, guess that was all trash talk. Back to playing GTA4 in HD unlike the standard def ps3 version. All along its been the ps2.5 holding the 360 back.

[Vip3r]

So I guess you don't play Halo 3 then seeing that it's rendered in 640p too then?

Seriously, grow up and less of the childish fanboyism plz.

[ChickeyCantor]

Anyone who bashed Halo 3 for the 640P, and is now defending GTA for the PS3 should shoot himself in the fase.
But who cares? Gameplay remains the same

[chino3xl]

Look they both run at 720p pull up your lcd info and you will see the damn res. maybe he gotta lcd t.v with the hd tuner or maybe this whole article is pure bs. All i gotta say is if reviews say the PS3 verios is slightly better and its running at 630 res then damn what the 360 running at then, all i gotta say is get a life and stop speading these dumb azz rumors ill post a image of mines with the res showing 720p stay tune.

[Xiru]

What is proven by this is that even at a lower resolution, a game can look better than 720p. The PS3 version looks better even at a lower resolution. Here is the quote from the forum that discovered the PS3 version runs at 640p:

"Many Beyond 3D users note that in spite of the lesser resolution, the superior effects of the PS3 version gives it the visual edge: "the PS3 version looks nicer IMO. Everything just blends in nicely and makes a seamless contrast between front objects and background objects," noted forum user Nebula."

So everyone saying "The PS3 version sucks or is inferior", you are just flat out wrong.

[xg-ei8ht]

I still think rockstar has done a good job on the ps3, Dithering effect is bad on the 360. not sure if the pixel stuff is correct.

[DailyAddict]

Ok, so I've read like the first few posts and really, this site makes me laugh sometimes. "PS3 is better!" "360 is better!" "OMG the PS3 isn't superior because a multiplatform game runs better on 360!"

First off, half of the people that post in these threads are retarded. I'm sorry, but you are. Second, if you think ANY console is inferior because of a multiplatform game, then you are REALLY retarded. Yes, because I'm sure the laziness of one developer must mean that the entire console is pathetic. You guys crack me up.

Stfu, go play your GTAIV on whatever you own and go cry in the corner about what's better.

[kingtigar]

so is it saying it doesnt matter if u run it on 720 1080i or 1080p its always gonna be 630? ...

[kornbeaner]

This is what trips me out, I work tons of OT just so I can catch up on some late bills, hoping to get GTA next week, NEXT WEEK!!!!.

Yet we have all these people who supposedly have the game and all they can do is argue on which version is "Better", WTF!!!

I'm I missing something, it seems that most of you just bought the game played for 5 mins and OMG!!!! PS3 is the best!!!!!! NO,NO 360 FTW!!!!!!!

Dude if I were able to get my hands on GTA I would've played hookie from work (due to sickness of course :) ) and you guys wouldn't have heard from me for at least 2 days, but since I'm at work waiting for my map to build and got time to kill I can only wish I were home right now "SICK" playing GTA.

Asses you guys don't deserve to play something as great as GTA4, if it were up to me I would take all the fanboys from this site (PS3 and 360) lock them up and only have an Atari with E.T. for them to play, then maybe they would come out reformed.

[ReBurn]

I actually liked E.T. on the 2600 when I was a kid. The rhythm of the little guy's feet...I remember it like it was yesterday.

I don't have the game yet, either. I'll pick it up tomorrow or Thursday. I'm waiting to see how the freezing issues work out.

[Big Jim]

Why do I read these threads? Now I'm going to have to rent the version that I don't buy, just to compare the two games on the same TV on the same settings. I'm way too obsessive not to compare them both on the same TV now that I've read all these articles. What a waste of five bucks that'll be.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

And you guess which console hold the other.

[OldGamer]

...which looks better? The game is f'ing awesome. Been playing all day and I'm going back for more in a little while.

[The Dude]

Yes, it matters to us that want to play our GTA4 in HD. The best version is on the 360.

[Ali_The_Brit]

figures, numbers, facts, 630p ? k who cares, we all know for a fact it looks best on PS3 version

[Ivix]

I love it. The stories with the most comments are one the 360 and PS3 are compared. Good times.

[brothersimon]

HAHAHAHAHA

PS3 GETS OWNED

COULDNT HANDLE GTAIV... ROFL

[air1]

man, i keep looking for these dang pop ups on my 360. i just keep crashing cause im looking so damn hard to see a damn pop up in the game. i havnt seen a car a sighn a building or textures yet.. so what is everybody talking about? dah well im off for some achievements. good luck with the install, superior, lmfao..

[Mikey Mike]

this game is running in 720. Man you guys are getting desperate!

[The Dude]

I didn't realize the ps3 was powerful enough to pull off 630p not even HD. The ps3 is future proof my ass. All cross platform games play and look better on the 360. 360 FTW.

[TrevorPhillips]

GTA IV on ps3 looks sharper and 360 ver has better colours but i think the 360 ver runs a bittt smoother even tho its runing on 720p tho ps3 ver runs at 630p that kinda sucks for ps3 owners i have both systems but wat can u do thier both good but i piked up the 360 ver over the content and online and games like halo 3 runs at 640p that suked cause halo 3 was more like halo 2.5 but in the end gta still isnt using full power of the ps3 hopley will see that with GTA 5 :)

[TrevorPhillips]

sorry i ment GTA IV on ps3 isnt 630p its 640p just like halo 3

[poos3]

hahah aany 1 whop is playing gta on a hd tv using a vga cable know thos edetering effects look amamzxing and are only on the shadows ofobjects and gives it a shimmering effect liek the shadows of the trees have does effect if the ps3 dos not have this and has non dynamic shadows liek that its a minus and 640p hahaha what a joke

[leon76]

I waited for my copy of GTA4 to post any comment, I read a lot of stupid dumbsh*t news yesterday, and I just have to make sure of that, so here it is:
- I have a 60g PS3, and after the installation, comes the intro cutscene and after that the gameplay, whith ANY FREEZING, in fact I played like 5-6 hours in a row, and no freeze, no glithch, no nothing, and connected to the net!!!! the truth is noone that I know have this problem!!!!!
- The graphics are AMAZING, just like IGN and other sites told to us, making well known that the PS3 is suporior of its x360 couterpart...I can't compare both, only have PS3 version, but one thing I'm certain... this games' graphics are one of the best in this gen, not the best, but hey it's a GTA game!!!!
- This is for sure the best GTA game ever, and one of the best games I ever played, don't undestand how some @sshole bash this game!!!! It's an intense experience of gameplay, tottaly funny, whit specatcular little details, just amazing!!!!!!!!!!!
- Wow I'm really lucky that this game is being a SPECTACULAR EXPERIENCE for me!!!!!!!!!!
- And these are the reasons that I think this stupid stories that are coming along are ALL COMPLETLY BULLSH*T!!!!!!The curious that the same happened whith games that were proved to be better in PS3 like DMC4, COD4, Burnout paradise, Assassin's creed, etc, all of them good experinces to me!!!!!!.... In fact I can't understand how news based on FORUNS, RUMOUR-BASED SITES and ANOTHER SH*TY SITES nonody knows could call them NEWS!!!!! I can enter a forun saying that I'm a owner of x360 and making up that i have 18000 freezing in my game and blablablablabla nad call support and blablabla!!!! It's funny how n4g is expert in posting news that a couple hours later are proven to be fake!!!! Ahahahahahahah!!!!
Bye bye n4g!!!!!