Kojima Disappointed With Metal Gear Solid 4

Kotaku writes:

"Looks like Kojima Jr. isn't the only one disappointed with Metal Gear Solid. The latest issue of the UK's Edge magazine contains an interview with Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima, who expresses disappointment with the latest game in the series, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It isn't so much the gameplay itself as it is the graphics."

[Violater]

selling my ps3 as i type this.

/sarcasm

[suedester]

I don't think Kojima will ever be satisfied with his games. The joy of being a perfectionist (something I wouldn't know about!).

[Palodios]

Kojima just has incredibly high standards. This is taken wayy out of context. He had a vision, and the canvas just wasn't there yet. Maybe next generation, it'll be perfect, but it doesn't say anything negative about the ps3, only about our generation of gaming.

[ruibing]

He's too harsh with himself and his team. They built MGS4 on a first generation engine for a platform that has a steep learning curve. This isn't like in MGS3 when they already had experience from MGS2. The previews are already pretty much blown away by the immersion level of the game engine.

[Vertius]

Violator does have a PS3. I played against him in Warhawk once. And notice the sarcasm tag.

[sonarus]

lol. For a 50GB game with some what open gameplay in the sense of multiple paths, crazy special effects possibly 1080p/60fps and graphics that exceed gears of war...i guess i would be disappointed too. lol

[Dannagar]

Kojima complains about the graphic; however it's the game play that really matters. And he seems convinced that the game play is what he envisioned. I think that is the important factor.

[ip-student]

While I appreciate the power in the PS3 and XBOX 360 - they both fall short of allowing developers to do what they want. Everyone would have been better off with a more powerful dual-core CPU. The problem is that Intel owned the IP for that and MS found out the hard way that if you don't own the IP you cannot reduce the cost sufficiently.

Or to put it another way - I suspect we would have a lot more powerful console if we all had 2.4 Ghz core 2 duo chips. Out of order instructions would crank and we would see a lot better AI, etc. Instead we have stripped down chips that have strengths but a lot of weaknesses. Still, I suspect there is still a lot of untapped power in both consoles and we will continue to see improvements over time.

By the way - don't hold your breath for 1080p/60 - it ain't happening for anything but the most simple graphics - the GPU in the PS3/360 cannot handle the resolution.

[iHEARTboobs]

Kojima FTW!

[RobotIsTheFuture]

Hey Everyone I'm New To The Site... Uhh, I Been Thinkin In Gettin A PS3. But Something That I Been Askin My Self From A Long Time Is: Lets Say I Buy A PS3(Somethin I'll Do) And I Download The Latest Update...Uhh Do I Miss Anythin From The Other Updates Months Ago??? Like I Won't Be Able To Have Stuff Other Ppl Have Just Because They got Their PS3's Earlier Than Me???

Thanks For The Help Everyone.

PS3 FTW!!!(Fanboyism NOT INCLUDDED)

EDIT: Yeah, KOJIMA FTW TOO!!! =D (Bubbles For Everyone...I Really Mean It)

EDIT#2: Done, :-D I Gave Everyone A Bubble, Even These Below Me T/C Everybody Hope To See Ya'll 'Round...

[RacingX]

If anyone here's going to be in, look me up in the Metal Gear Online Beta on 4/21...PSN racingx

I'm always around playing Warhawk, Motorstorm, COD4, EoJ, Burnout, Team Fortress etc....look me up

[microsoftsux0rz]

PeOpLe R DuM

KoJima wuznt even trying wen he maed MGS4

if He WuZ tRyinG it woD be the besT game ever not bad liek M$ gameZ

[gambare]

an artist is never satisfied with his work

[Bonsai1214]

i can picture it now. ZOE3, one seamless world where you can go in and out of atmosphere at will. its something to aim for.. haha

[ravinash]

"Kojima just has incredibly high standards..... He had a vision, and the canvas just wasn't there yet. Maybe next generation"

Your right, but I expect no matter what level the latest technology is, Kojima will always be two steps ahead of it.

[TresTrendu]

I am just as disapointed at the graphics as he is.

[Mr_Bun]

He is just downplaying the game so that everyone will be like "wow, I don't know what he was talking about...the game rocks!"

...It is kind of like telling people you suck at Canasta so that they have low expectations but then when you actually play and destroy your opponent you say, "Maybe I am not so bad at Canasta...sucka!"

[Milky]

Could someone tell me if the graphics in MGS4 are good ? I havent seen much gameplay because I dont want to spoil the MGS4 experience. Thanks in advance.

[Kojima touches kids]

The excuses people are coming up with to defend the PS3 are hilarious. The technical limitations on the PS3 are becoming more obvious.

It is a fact, that if Kojima made this for the 360. The graphics would be superior and he would be happy with it.

[theKiller]

the game is a master piece, but kojima was dreaming of the unlimited power of ps3 and he thought ps3 is a super computer so he got disappointed, ps3 is 400$ u cant expect 400$ machine to be equal with 10000$ machine!!

and about the graphics, well i can check some pics from within the game, its almost like uncharted if not better, but i cant really say because mgs4 is a huge game and there is a lot in the environment than uncharted but its very high graphic game!

i think he should make another game after 3 years, when everybody have much better understanding of the ps3 hardware!

[NO_PUDding]

I think maybe time constraints effected this somewhat.

We can all be sure, if he's not satisfied with the PS3 he won't be satisfied with 360 ever.

I just hate to think that what he was dreaming up will never come to fruition.

[Transporter47]

well you know knowing kojima if he wanted to build his ultimate game the only he can do it is on a computer, because they have the least restraint of anything, but then again graphics can only go so far with the technology the Ps3 has, and to max out the cell processor is pretty amazing i must say, that is why Kojima is a legend, and artists never reach perfection because they can only do so much but Kojima he knows what he wants that is for sure

[lawman1108]

He should be disappointed. Maybe when they put it on the 360n 6 months later and get all of that cash then he will be happy.

[solar]

perfectionists are never happy. :P

im buying the game reguardless.

[Marceles]

Exactly, this shouldn't sway anyone from buying it...I don't remember him ever saying he was satisfied with any of his MGS games. I can tell how the comments are going to go over from the "other" camp as well...just read the kotaku comments.

[Homicide]

It's a good thing he isn't a video game reviewer, or else the fanboys would've send him death threats. Still buying the game.

[kingOVsticks]

is never happy like others have already said a perfectionist which is a good thing. He can complain all he wants about how the graphics aren't where he wants them to be he can make sure the next MG installment is where he feels meets his expectations. If he decides he wants to be apart of it.

[Qbanboi]

Man, i don't get where he is going with this. I mean, only two things comes to my mind.

1. He's just trying to take a little of HYPE out the game, we all know that SUPERHYPE games usually boom.

2. He really mean it. He hate doing MGS4 and his favorite console is the Wii.

Nothing good will come from saying what he said. People like me that already love the serie will still buy the game. But new people who know nothing about the game will just don't buy it (why buy it?, the developer said the game sucked). Either way, they will only end losing money. Another thing, come on Kojima, this is like the first and half year of the Ps3 did you actually tough you were going to make the best looking game ever? Do another game, and i bet it will look a millions times better. But if you don't want to wait, just go join Crytek and do the best looking game ever but no computer on earth could play.

[pimpinal88]

I think it would be great if we found out that kojima was just playing a joke on us, u know, messin with our heads again.

[PS360WII]

yeah he's being pretty critical of himself and he still says they have made progress just not as much as he wanted which any game maker could say really.

[rogimusprime]

he should just commit seppuku then, or throw himself off a Tokyo High rise like so many other J-

OK, so maybe that's going too far. We'll see how ZOE 3 turns out if it ever happens....THEN he can off himself!

(not serious for all your crybabies out there)

[Captain Tuttle]

Well this should be good for a laugh or 2.

[Fishy Fingers]

Kojima will never be happy, you will never have to power to match his aspirations, as tech grows, so does his vision.

I think the headline is rather deceiving, I dont believe he is disappointed with MGS4, just that it didnt meet his expectations, which we all know are sky high.

[Marceles]

lol @ phantom disagree...they're hiding in the shadows

[Fishy Fingers]

lol, screw them, they have become part and parcel of N4G. Jealously can be a harsh mistress.

[TruthBTold]

they can come in here and disagree but afraid to say why cause they have no reason, theyre just hating. YOu only see them come out when it is an article pure anti ps3 which they somehow feel the courage to continue flaming. The funny thing is also how the media tend to take what important people say out of context in order to make their stories "interesting" to readers. Everyone one who knows how Kojima works knows he always wants more, he's more than a perfectionist so he will impress everyone but himself. Its funny because he is the only person that has said anything close to being "negative" about MGS4. I cant wait for this game.

[mindedone]

just based on the definition of disappoint.

disappoint

Main Entry:
dis·ap·point Listen to the pronunciation of disappoint
Pronunciation:
\ˌdis-ə-ˈpȯint\
Function:
verb
Etymology:
Middle English disapointen to dispossess, from Middle French desapointer, from des- dis- + appointer to arrange — more at appoint
Date:
15th century

transitive verb : to fail to meet the expectation or hope of : frustrate <the team disappointed its fans>

Therefore I disagree with you too, because if he failed to meet expectations, by definition he WAS disappointed.

[THC CELL]

Before pog mart comes in

THIS game will never run on the 360 So shut it

Still going to be game of the year no matter what

I dont think he will make sony ps3 look bad really
he could of made this game for the 360 if he thought he could of got better ( means this game could of dropped exclusive to ps3 and made x box exclusive)

I like the guy cause he is not over hyping the ps3 but we will see something amazing

[sammy_mantra]

Kojima is a perfectionist and is never staisfied

However we all are satisfied with MGS4

[gEnKiE]

I think he should say that today technology is hampering what he wants to accomplish more so than just the PS3. I just hope the limitations of the hardware don't bring down his ambition for the project..... Nothingness, MGS4 is going to be amazing. I already got my LE paid for, now I just got to wait till its released.

[liquidsnake]

Kojima was NEVER satisfied with any of the MGS games BUT, It has been proven 3 times allready that the MGS games are pure kickass. This won't be an exception.

[Z F1GHT3RS]

'Apparently the team overestimated what the PlayStation 3 was capable of.'
the ps3 is not as powerfull as you all thought it was. not saying it is not though. u over estimated it.
bit like halo 3 all hype didnt live up to it.
a good solid game. but not perfection basically
cell pushed %120 2 years in lol. XD

delay the next gen BEYOND

[wow4u]

Look at you THC, coming in here and trolling.

Sad, just sad. What Kojima has said is NOTHING we really havent heard before.

The only person with a problem is jaded PS3 owners who have this hope -- hope beyond hope -- that somehow, Sony is going to get them some 4D.

Keep dreaming. The PS3 is what it is, and that is a difficult to develop for box with the same horsepower as the Xbox 360.

Kojima just told you so.

---

Edit; look at THC's comment below:

"he is a guy who dose not like to hype his games

"The cell is more powerful than 2 x box 360s so will see right"

You are just delusional man. Kojima has just told you A) he's using the full horsepower B) It wasnt as much as he had been led to believe

And, that second point "2 Xbox 360s" is just a sad sad sad delusion.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Quick one of yous fisheads get right in that article and say something that the "360 couldn't handle this blah blah blah".

Sounds to me like the POS3 couldn't handle it either.

HAHAHAHA

Your biggest game this year and the dev is already saying he is disappointed in it before it even comes out.

[NO_PUDding]

Maybe SDF is justified.

Unlike Microsoft jumping in and taking a nibble at Sony for a 5 minute install time. That's deseperation...

120% of Cell? Lol, maybe people don't realise that if they expected more, their code would have been based on that, and if their code has been based on that, then optimisation would be difficult.

He is effectively saying, the engine uses the full potential of the Cell, hi' code isn't totally proficient though. And not only that, all I have heard from those who went to Japan is praise. He said the same about PS2 on MGS2 (something about the ram) and then created MGS3 much better.

I am guessing these xbots are still just jealous they won't be getting the first actual masterpiece of this generation on thier system. Ken Levine and Bioshock eat your heart out.

[leon76]

Xbots are so happy!!! But here we see how dumbsh*ts they are!!!! who knows Kojima, knows that this guy want allways something more from the master pieces he makes!!! like many guys just said, this guy is a perfectionist, that's because his games are works of Art!!!!! Sh*tbots are like their master, MS, and now they are bashing MGS4, but all they want is this marvellous game in their console!!!!! Keep dreamin' @ssholes, it wont happen!!!! Ahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

[PopEmUp]

it's better having a japanese built blu ray player with built in wireless,free online,monster exclusives..etc is better anyday than having a ugly last generation defective chinese or korean dvd player.

[lodossrage]

So him saying it for this one is nothing new

It still won't stop sales or the hours upon hours of gameplay. That I promise

[BlackCountryBob]

Has Kojima ever been entirely satisfied with one of his games? Thats why he is the best, he is able to objectively take a step back from his own work and see where he can improve unlike many who are blind to their limitations. Only he very best can do that, in music, art, literature, games and movies its all the same, the very best are doomed to always be incapable of fully realising what they can imagine.

[AlterEgo]

funny he's not happy, but the dudes who played it were blown away like always

imagine mg 5. every game gets better

[Statix]

I remember watching the first ever debut trailer back in TGS 2006. It looked SO amazing, it was just incredible. The game looked like it was going to blow everything else away on both a technical and design aspect. I can see what Kojima means when he says he had an amazing vision for what the game was gonna look like originally, when you look at the early trailers and tech demos. It seems like, going off the latest trailers, that the game has been substantially downgraded from those first trailers that we saw way back then.

[Fishy Fingers]

What you have to bare in mind is that EVERY screen/trailer we have seen are taken from a 8 month old build.

Go read any of the hands-on from the 16 guys who have played the game, all of them state how visually impressive this game is.

I think so people seriously over-exaggerate the power of the consoles.

[BulletToothtony]

you probably just need a better tv... cause the latest trailers look freaking incredible.. i still think that killzone2 tops them but the way that the gameplay trailers shows dust in the air and all the detials can't really be appreciated unless you got a good tv

[mistertwoturbo]

You know, usually graphics are the last piece of the developing puzzle. Meaning, that's what gets the most optimization time towards the end. The other majority of the time, it's all about the concept, story, gameplay, programming all of that, and then optimize graphics for either better frame rates, textures, or even downgrading if necessary for it to run better.

Of course I'm making an assumption lol, but it just makes sense to me.

[NO_PUDding]

Bear in mind also, that way back when in 2006, we'd never played a next-gen game yet. And we were still in that euphoric area of hype, about the capabilites of our games.

When I first saw paralax mapping on Perfect Dark Zero, I was amazed. But now, I am bored of it.

Seriosuly, how much like the gameplay we've seen does the TGS 06 trailer look like?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

Almost identical.

And not only that but Kojima was impressed by CoD4, he must be lying when saying this. Or he wasn't really impressed by CoD4. He is a perfectionist.

[Azures]

Yet we have the same kind of media blackout that the other games had.

Anyone notice yet we haven't seen anything we weren't supposed to see? Even new screenshots are just the same shots from trailers or something. No team keeps stuff secret like Kojima's team.

[DJ]

;)

Hmm, true. We never really got an entire level walkthrough for MGS4.

[Azures]

I'm pretty damn sure we've seen more of Killzone 2 than we have of MGS4. We've only seen shots of a small portion of the game, a single area and nothing more.

This is just like MGS2 and all the shots that were on that tanker. Thats not to say that he's gonna make us play as Raiden again, but this guy could school M. Night Shyamalan on story twists.

[mistertwoturbo]

I agree with Azures, we have actually not really seen anything. At least based on previous metal gears. I remember MGS2 when it was first announced with all the trailers and everything. Kojima went to even as far as putting snake in some shots where we actually play as Raiden instead. Kojima is very tricky when it comes to this stuff. And to be honest, I could care less of Kojima thinks the graphics in MGS4 is a pile of stinking poo, I'll play the game for the Story and the gameplay. The graphics looks amazing by my standards already.

[nutjuice]

the reporter didn't ask him if he thought the 360 would have been able to do better. I think that's what the point of this article is - to put doubt on the PS3.

[mistertwoturbo]

Yes, because if they put it on the 360, they could have just used 5 seperate DVD's and would have been able to focus on 1 DVD at a time so the graphics would have been better. Of course they would have to compress the sound effects left and right, but hey it doesn't matter to 360 owners. They just want graphics and nothing else. And Kojima will love the fact that Microsoft will want them to make the game based that not all 360 owners don't have a HDD. That same 360 console where Kojima said is a "DVD" while the PS3 is a theatre type console absolutely means nothing. Yes, no HDD, no Blu-Ray will definitely suite Kojima's Vision.

/sarcasm

[aiphanes]

He is just saying this so people will not overestimate what the game is....This dude is smart....

As long as it is better than what was shown at TGS last year...and that it really fills the 50GB bluray disc.....everybody will be happy...we will see in the MGS4 online beta on monday...

[PSWe60]

Artists are never completly satisfied with their work.
They also always say how their work is never complete. I think that's what Kojima is feeling.

[Superiorrior]

He's opening himself for a sequel he did this 5 other times, and every time it led to a sequel, mark my words, Metal Gear Solid 5.

[mistertwoturbo]

Your words are noted, because wow... I think you're onto something. Maybe this is just the "Excuse" for him to make MGS5. Once he makes MGS5 and they ask him "We thought MGS4 was the last?" He'll take this interview out of context and say "I wasn't satisified with MGS4."

[Whoooop]

He better be disappointed with MGS4 and with all his future games....

The day he feels satisfied with a game he developed, is the day his games will start to suck.

:)

[Booyah]

Lollll, what if he is satisfied and the game is as good as any other games ?

[THC CELL]

he is a guy who dose not like to hype his games
at the end of the day he has done his best

the 360 would never run this game for many reasons

I will see what developers say about maybe killzone and other games
theu have there pros and cons

@ PP
Hey we have not seen or played this game yet so will see about that ok
Gears will never be better than MGS

If this guy has pushed the cell to the limit i really dont think it will be worst than gears 2
The cell is more powerful than 2 x box 360s so will see right

[sabbath420]

How does that cell help your games?

[DomUltra]

How does the Xenon help your games? 3 Cpu's versus 7, it's unanimous Cell wins.

[4cough]

The ps3 only has ONE core

[ravinshield]

even the the fu**en developers are not satisfied with their own sh!t,thats just funny.hahahahaahaha their goes your 7.5/10 game

[The Real Joker]

I am really suprised by this. He isn't directly Sh!tting on the PS3, but he still isn't very kind. He says they pushed the Cell to the limit. Thats kind of crazy. I mean the PS3 is still very new and Kojima is certanly no slouch of a developer. I am still going to get the game and play the pants off of it, but I am really blown away by this. Everyone please try to keep the fanboyism to a minimum.

[shine1396]

woh!

(runs away scared...)

[Condoleezza Rice]

lol,he said the same thing with MGS2,same thing with MGS3,and now with 4.

Those MGS games were brilliant,I expect no less from 4.

[S1nnerman]

He is expressing his dissapointment that the game doesn't match his vision. The same way I'm dissapointed that I'm not a squillionaire and not retired already and permanently surrounded by semi-clad women. Analogy kind of works - bear with me, it's a Friday! :)

[heyheyhey]

thats Kojima for ya

twisted genius

[heyheyhey]

enter pp with laughably ignorant comment

[crinale]

What a perfect timing dude... Have bubble.

[heyheyhey]

its pretty predictable you know

his comments never really have any substance or meaning to them and it takes him about 5 seconds to cook them up thinking they're funny

so hes always like 3rd or 4th to comment

[pp]

ps3 has already used its full power so soon, even gears 2 will look better than mgs4

[Amp]

To PP on your machine when its on fire?

[Blankman]

You know you are jealous just admit it. HAHA foolish fanboys don't know that the 360 reached its limit as soon as it started RROD. Most games out now are going beyond its limit thats why it RROD's. Go ask Microsoft they will tell you. The more powerful the game the hotter it gets. 360 is only capable of running games like viva pinyata party animals

[TheOutsider]

Shut the hell up already!! Gears is gonna look like crap compared to this!! It will flop just like your gay-lo 3 did! hahahaha they thought that would win game of the year! but didn't hahahaha COD4 Baby!!

[power of Green]

They say Kojima is a perfectionist but the game simply looks like sh*t period. Its over hyped. Splinter Cell double Agent the 360 version looks better(If you compare the Africa level thats green in SCDA for 360 you can see the detail and charactor model quality is far beyond MGS4's)

[Xiru]

Why are you making this out as a 360 vs PS3 argument? He's saying that EVEN the PS3 can't realize his true vision. The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. He was not saying 360 > PS3, he's saying his ideals > PS3. L2Read!

[Kleptic]

some of you guys are so blatantly ignorant its frustrating...

POG...SC:C?...absolutely not even close and you know it...there is not one game to date on any console that looks as good as MGS4...don't be retarded...

Several hands-on previews in that last few weeks have mentioned MGS4 being a serious contender for the greatest game ever created...this is far from 'over-hyped' as you put...your system is much more well known for that category of games...

and also, its obvious that a lot of you have never read any interviews on Kojima...just 2 months ago he was saying 'there isn't enough matter and energy in the universe to realize my true vision'...he said Blu Ray didn't have enough space for his vision...he is a perfectionist, and also mildly crazy...He was saying that the PS3 wasn't powerful enough to create his original vision...and then realized there were some unforseen restrictions that limited him slightly...but the point is that its still undeniably great looking...

I understand you guys are doing what you do best...spinning news completely out of context to help fuel your on going campaign...but you seriously need to leave MGS4 alone...it will only embarrass you in the end...

and you guys need to finally shut the hell up about Gears...that was 2006...UT3 looks and runs better, on both systems...so let it go...you guys sound like retards again...and we all saw the scans of Gears 2...it will be a little better than UT3...but its still a UE3 game...good luck with that...

[Ri0tSquad]

You always give me a good laugh, kid.

ROFL @ POG

Lol, you win man. I give up. MGS4 looks like sh!t? SC's environments are probaly dumbed down because its on a dvd so all the resources aren't going into a continuous living and breathing battle like MGS4.

Lol, you win bro, you win. Have fun with SC and pretending the Xbox 360 is god, you idiot.

[sandip787]

MGS4 will be perhaps one of the best games ever to have graced our consoles. and kojima is disappointed with it? damn, what will a game that he's not disappointed with be like?

[Hydrolex]

This is fake I think,

It's like Microsoft comes and say, oh our xbox 360 dies left and right. The real Fail ratio is %50

Just B.S

WTF happened to the 50GB game ?

[The Lazy One]

He needs to change his expression in some of his pictures :(

[Says you]

I mean he could put more graphics I mean after all hes the one that wanted the graphics to look like this so hes the only one to blame and no I'm not critisizing him and again if he keeps disappointing himself he would be in a depression state.

[DJ]

High standards are a must-have for game directors like him, and seeing how impressive MGS4 is I can't wait to see how much further he wants to push with his next title, whatever it may turn out to be.

[CViper]

Sell my PS3 now.. and my psp, as well as my TV, and my phone.

This is unacceptable. Thanks SONY!

[TresTrendu]

What does you psp and tv and phone have to do with anything? He said he was dipleased with the power of the Ps3 not the sony brand.

[The Lazy One]

/facepalm

[juuken]

Tres, he was being sarcastic. :|

[sabbath420]

Did you people read the article? Did you read all the things he said about that super computer of yours? Sounds like he would of rather made the game on the 360. He was even fooled by sony (like the rest of you) abot how the ps3 is all mighty, and now realizes sony lied.
Did you say the graphics are better than anything the 360 can do? Get a clue. your ps3 is no more powerful than my 360. The hardware is a bit more reliable though, I'll give you that. My 360 has never failed though.

[Hercules]

i would do my home work..as far as CPU goes, the ps3 is far more powerful...if it were to get ported to the 360, how would he fit it ALL on a 10gb disc? oops my bad, it will have to go on 5 separate discs...and the only real good thing that the 360 has over the ps3 is LIVE and the Xeno chip...thats it...next time you try and flame the ps3, i suggest you research it more in depth than just come out and give your fanboyism a try

[DomUltra]

Don't be an idiot, Xenon chip is garbage compared to the cell I can't even begin to explain, it's laughable too, your argument is so biased even though the PS3's cpu is twice as strong at the xbox you'll say anything to seem smart.

Btw the graphics are better on the PS3 have you not seen Killzone 2? Uncharted? R&C? LBP? Of course you haven't dumbshit your ignorant as hell.

@ Below, Xenos is the GPU, Xenon is the cpu.

[Hercules]

@above: thats what i meant the GPU chip is powerful than the RSX by itself, but comparing it to the power of the Cell, then its another story, too bad fanboys dont see the facts, they just try to downgrade things as much as possible

i cant tell if you were directing that to me or the other guy..but the xenon chip is powerful than the RSX, now combine with the Cell chip than we have ourselves a winner..and dont confuse the Cell with the RSX...

[acetw1n]

Kojima being the mastemind that he is, dosent Know jack about computers cpu's ram ect ,he's just a game director (and i use that term loosely) .His vision for the game would have never been fufilled on any system xbox 360 or playstion 4,5,or 6, and i say that out of repsect for the man.

He has a staff of experts that deal with graphical specs and ect.
I wonder, dose he often play the games in the m.g.s series ,he proboly just comes up with the concepts

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Don't listen to the actual people who make games on the system but rather listen to a bunch of nobody comment nerds who think they know everything about the POS3.

I did read the article and I agree he sounds like he was fooled (at first) by $ony's fancy lip wagglin just like these fishheads are now.

WAKE UP FOOLS! Your "god" Kojima said you are all full of sh*t

This is too funny.

[juuken]

Sabbath, it sounds like you ought to read the article more closely. It has NOTHING to do with the fact he didn't think the PS3 could handle the game. The guy is a perfectionist-there is nothing wrong with that. I think he'll be pleasantly surprised when this game sells like hotcakes. It looks amazing and I have no doubt in my mind it'll play just as amazing. He probably wanted to add more to the game but couldn't because the PS3 was filled out.

That doesn't mean the game will suck.

[Fishy Fingers]

The day he is satisfied is the day he stops making games.

Frankly I hope he's never happy.

[heyheyhey]

wise words fishy, wise words

all geniuses have never been contempt with their work, always striving to make it better

[Strife Lives]

Imagine what the next ZOE would be like?

[DJ]

I play ZOE 2 from time to time, and even after all these years it still boggles my mind that PS2 was able to pull that off. Best Mech action ever. If he doesn't make a part 3, it's time to riot!

[GutZ31]

I'm sorry to try and debunk this, and I may even be wrong, but I cant find the story on EDGE anywhere about this, only kotaku.

[Lumbo]

strange, i have the edge right here and it has the story.

Maybe you should bash your pal for ripping out the missing pages ?

[Azurite]

Windows can use 100% of the CPU, doesn't mean it's optimized for it.
Somehow I doubt a third-party developer can utilize the full potential of the Cell.

[Azures]

Kojima's team is essentially first party.

[PStriple703]

still day one for me!

[kazuma]

ya know what? ofc it doesn't meet his standards. wanna know why? because kojima is a freakin genius that's why. he always wants more than what the console he's working on can provide (there ARE limits ya know to ps3 and 360, as were with other consoles in the past). still let us not jump ahead of ourselves since ps3 has been out for 1year and a half. everyone knows that IF mgs5 comes out...it will play/look/sound better than 4. it's just the way things go. developers code and the system runs it. then they code some more games for the system. "hey if we do this differently we can make it run faster/put more stuff/whatever". remember snes? nes? master system? genesis? remember ps2? ps1? n64? gc? xbox/360? as a matter of fact there are only 2 types of statements when developers come out talking about console power. 1-our game reaches whatever 10% of the system or 2-our games uses 100% of the system. neither are right, since that perfomance is relative to the code that is running on it and the tools that are used to measure/enhance perfomance are being constantly updated to give better performance.
i honestly hope no one is really canceling their pre-order because of what kojima said because rest assured, mgs4 (imo) will probably be the game of 08 (but hey i'm just a diehard metal gear fan).

[tweaker]

I'm pretty disappointed too. I should've been one the lucky 16 to test this game out. I would saw off one of my toes with a worn out rusted blade to play this game 2 months before release. ;)

[CViper]

Wow, Kotaku. seriously Wow. Its safe to say that a maxed out PS3 game dwarfs others.

[jackdoe]

Kotaku has been hating on Metal Gear and Konami for the past few days.

[angel604]

one mans disappointment is another reviewers 10/10 score

[Meus Renaissance]

I was being criticised and dismissed for making similar points with my threads and posts on PS3 Forums - the game has had visual downgrades in comparison to the TGS2005 footage. That's not to criticise the game because it looks great already, I was just stating that point before I was flanked by the defence force a.k.a. the inability to see anything negative in major PS3 titles that some members here experience from. My disappointment however, in regards to the graphics, is that it looks more saturated

[Raptors]

What happened to you? I remember you being VERY pro sony. I'm glad to see some of your views have leveled out. I understand ppl love the playstion brand and I have no problems with that. I do have a problem with them overstating the power of the ps3 and everyone just blindly believing it. Its powerful, but just like all things it has its limits. Thats why I keep telling ppl there's a very good reason why you're not seeing a good deal of KZ2, they're working their *sses off to make compromises to the original trailer and even the subsequent one. There's going to be tradeoffs somewhere in the game.

PS: I didnt disagree with you Meus.

[Meus Renaissance]

I defend the PS3 when I think its being undeservedly attacked, and I criticise it too. But I'm not being negative about anything, I'm just stating that the game looked washed out in comparison to the TGS2005 footage.

I got dismissed for it. Now Kojima admits he noticed the same and I suddenly have been listened to.

The only negative is the graphical limitations of the game in comparison to the target. Suffice to say, it looks great.

[HelghastGeneral]

This guy said once before that he was disappointed with the 50gig blue ray disc. Which people stood silent and he laughed......

Then he explained that the story for metal gear solid just couldn't be explained it that i was so epic.

Obviously now after saying all the things he said it shouldn't be a surprise to hear him say this. They used cell to its limit which i think is amazing this game probably has more animation than the best five xbox1.5 games put together.

Think clearly these people used the most powerful machine to this date to its limit there is no hardware more powerful than ps3 at the moment. The cell bridges the gap between any other processor its a super computer and he says they used its full potential haha i can't wait to play this game. I am looking forward to realistic cut scenes and animation not something like a overly textured character models that move like last generation which only xbox1.5 can do that is gears of war 2 ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh bet you didn't like that tobad.

[Iamback]

He is never happy with his games. He said same stuff about every MGS game in past and they all rocked if you ask me.
He is not perfectionist, he is just insecure and honest person.
When it comes to pushing CELL to its limits....maybe their engine is, but looking at MGS4 i am Sorry but facial animation and graphics in Uncharted are better looking, and if Evan Wells tells us that they are using only around 1/3 of CELL ...i have to believe him.
Srry Kojima

[radzy]

you can see this in how bad the textures are in the screenshots.
ps3 cant keep up with the xbox 360 in frame rate , smoothness,textures, and it takes a fricken long time to make a game on the ps3 , compared to the ease of the 360.
i feel sorry for the bloke , all that effort for a 7-8/10 game.
we will teach kojimah a lesson in graphics with gears of war 2.

sorry to all the fanboys but i gotta say : "360 all the way" (just keep it cool or get a falcon motherboard)

[Hercules]

you are really stupid the ps3 has two GPU chips...so if i were you..i would stfu..oops you only have one bubble..

[THC CELL]

Hmmm a point here for u guys why has he not stated this in his blog
????????????????

[Hercules]

just wants to be the best, but he cant do it, no one can do it, its part of life..weather you are playing sports, or academic-wise, you ARE not going to be the best because something is either going to get in front of you, or something hold you back, look at Bill Gates..he is the richest man in the world..does that make him the best? no it doesnt, back anywho i say that this game is going to rip thru stores...there is no other way to put this..Kojima, you are doin a good job keep it up, next time dont take it too hard...we are all hear to support ya ;D

[Raptors]

Well I'm glad to hear the end of all that "The PS3 is limitless" crap. There is no doubt that the PS3 is powerful, no one can deny that. But Sony, once again, over promised on what the system can do and so many people bought into that again. Just like the emotion engine on the ps2. Guys, its a great system and so is the 360. They both powerful systems with the ps3 just edging it out. Not the blowout like everyone falsely wants to proclaim. I'm glad Kojima put things into perspective finally for everyone.

[Raptors]

I see there are alot of people who are quite offended about their ps3.

[TresTrendu]

I agree totally, But the problem is you are going to get slaid and hogtide cause you are saying something that is bad about the ps3 be it true or not. And people on here talking about, well look how good Res2 looks. They havent even shown anything on the game (or in game for that matter)yet so why are people using this.It's going to set the bar for having 60 people online thats only 10 more than what they are doing now. And about KZ2 people are mentioning, have you not looked at gameplay footage and the first trailer that was shown. Looks like 2 different games. And dont get me started on socom 2...........

[Raptors]

They do not bother me in the least bit. I will continue to speak the truth regardless of however people feel. The ps3 is a good system but there are alot of things that were overhyped and overrated about it.

Resistance is severely overrated.
The sixaxis sucks. Thank goodness for the Dualshock
PSN online service is as basic as basic gets. It is free tho.

I've said numerous times that the 360's quality is horrendous and some sort of lawsuit should be taken again MS for the shoddy quality. DVD 9 will hinder the 360 and MS are crooks when it comes to the price if their accessories.

I call out both bad and good for both systems but its very evident on this site that alot of people are in denial about a particular system. Thats fine if they wanna fight to the death about their system however I will continue to point out the truth and expose lies

[duarteq]

Still The best stealth game around

[Vip3r]

The only thing that makes me wonder is if MGS4 is pushing the PS3 to its limits, then howcome GT5:P looks so much better? Is it pushing the PS3 to the max too?

[Hercules]

you have to relize that GT5P didnt have all the background that MGS4 has, also the AI has to put into account, in GT5 the sidelines are probably random signals (Waving, smiling, cheering) but in MGS4 there are physics engines to be used...so that is probably the reason GT5P is stabled like this and to have the graphics like this, also, its smaller compared to MGS4

[TresTrendu]

They have already said they have pushed ps3 to max. But it doesnt really look that good. There is no life around the tracks, just seems blank alot of times. And has anyone noticed when you are taking a turn and another car goes off road it chops awful bad. People say the game runs at 60fps, maybe half the time it does but thats about it.

[liquidsnake]

lol, I have a very hard time to belive his team used the full capacity of Cell.

[DomUltra]

Same I love Kojima but I think he's confusing it with the talent and capacity of his team, no offense they're obviously brilliant at what they do, but no one has unlocked the full power of the PS3 yet.

[Iamback]

Same said one of KZ2 developers back at PSforum. He said something like this when asked if KS2 is using CELL to its limits "No game in 2nd or 3rd year of PS3 life can use CELL to its limits, not even KZ2, but it will take years of optimasaton to get to that full power"

[jackdoe]

Lol. Kojima wanted EVERY piece of the environment to be destructable and thensome.

[xg-ei8ht]

Pushed cell to it's limits. lmao.

On a first gen engine.
I don't think so.

The bloke needs to take a step back, and compare his work to other games out now.

That's how you'll know if you pushed the cell.

Sorry to say this, but i'll wait for Resistance 2 to see how much they used the cell. Spu's are used to great effect in rs2.

I'd like to see the engine mgs4 was built off, and the spu usage.

[Raptors]

LMAO So you're now telling me you know the PS3 and its architecture better than Kojima and his team?? And three people agreed with you too? WOW. Some of you sony diehards are out of control.

[GameDev]

and his team design consoles?? if so why haven't they made a billion already??

I've reading your posts and you need to slowdown with all the PS3 hate.
For all you know Kojima is setting you up to look stupid. (he's been known to play mindgames.

I know for a fact that routines to run the SPU's are still in their infancy so why would it be any different for Kojima and co.?

sounds to me like someone is looking for any excuse to slag off on the Ps3.

[kingboy]

Damn!! i wouldn`t mine Kojima help designing Ps4 with Sir Ken Kutaragi(yes i want him back)

[sak500]

LOL

"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."

Real translation...We fell in the hype trap of the three stooges, Ken, Phil and kaz. I can't do anything about ken since he split the moment he saw the pos3 can't handle games properly. 3 years back we were told we can make toystory 2 looking games, now all i can create is ps2 looking game with slightly better gameplay due to ps2.5 hardware. ANyway, i shudnt be bothered since blind sony bats who actually bought the ps3 for games will only pick up 2million copies. Rest of the people will watch BD movies on it.

Next time i'll wait for the hardware to come out before believing in the hype like 4d and 120fps @ 1080p, as right now i can manage 20fps at 640x480 rez only.

[DomUltra]

Man, seriously are you retarded? I know the majority of Xbox owners are but you bring it down to POG Level, 20 fps, 640x480? First of it runs at 60 fps dumbass ahah, and its in 720p, upscaled can go to 1080p. I love picking on bots it's so priceless no one can match there stupidity level.

[sak500]

Rename urself to Ultradumb. Your comments reek of idiotic stupidity of the worse kind.

[Iamback]

SAK500

Actually he owned you

[GiantEnemyCrab]

POS3 has reached it's limit CONFIRMED! And this is by the god "Kojima" himself.

So enjoy MGS4 because it is as good as the system gets and we aren't even thru the systems second year.

ouch

[power of Green]

PS3 hardware is inferior Sony did this last generation making false claims. Xbox outperformed PS2 from day one because it was more powerful regardless of hardware know how.

PS3 holds back Multi platform games due to devs trying to match all versions. If the 360 was delayed(or the console not launched a year earily) GeoW would have been a 360 launch title.

[juuken]

===>
The door is that way.
Your comments is so full of crap that no wonder you were owned by the guy below you there.

[BrianC6234]

You sure are dumb little boy. The PS3 is very powerful. This story is just about Kojima and how he has a big vision that is still too far into the future. He wants everything and no console can do that. One thing is sure though. If MGS4 was to be ported to the 360 it would be horrible. The 360 is very weak and would most likely burn up trying to run the game.

[Meus Renaissance]

I can't believe he is blaming the PS3 for the graphical limits he sees in the game; there are better looking PS3 games out already and will be better looking ones after MGS4.

Their engine needs to tweaked.

[Captain Tuttle]

That what I was thinking...he's blaming the machine.

[Daz]

This just proves that it just more then just graphics that take a machine to it limits.

Graphics arnt not the only thing. Remember that :)

[himdeel]

This is both refreshing and increasing my anxiousness for this game at the same time. I kind of doubt that they've reached the limits of the PS3 with this game. For those of you old enough...please think back to EVERY game you can remember for any system that has claimed to max out the capacity of the system (set the bar of what can be done). ONLY to find that later another developer sees that bar and leaps right over it as if its barely off the ground.

While I don't doubt his genuineness about feeling like he wanted more or to accomplish more with this game he's got a habit of being too emotional about this type of thing. He needs to sit down with a video retrospective of all his games, have a coke and a smile then lighten up.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

That's just my opinion. What ever they create, they always see something "missing" after that finished stage. The man is being hard on himself. I understand from his point of view and respect his feelings of being a "artist". The Metal Gear series is a "priceless" piece of work in gaming industry.

[kewlkat007]

when this game was started in development.

Kojima is a perfectionist. I'll always remember what he said in 2006.

""If you talk about the war between Japanese developers and those overseas, I acknowledge that we have already lost. The Japanese creators have lost to the European and American creators. Therefore, I always say to my staff, Don't look at the Japanese creators. Look toward the Europeans and Americans when looking at development". -- Hideo Kojima in the newest issue of Game Informer"

Game-play wise this game sticks to the formula. It is a long standing franchise that have built on every game but has not strayed much from the formula.

I see people comparing this type of graphics to gears and they are not the same type of game. Gears is close quartered combat where the they really pump in the visuals, unlike MGS. Gears will look Better per square inch. IMO.

This game will sell pretty well but looking at the past sales of the game in relations to the user-base, this might put a little damper on the reviews. If the creator is not satisfied, I think it will trickle down to the review sites. Look as to why, and they will find something.

[wangdiddy82]

doesnt bother me at all and im going to still buy the game.. But you know there are some people out there who will take this to the heart and probably stay away from the game now..

Anyway he should show more respect to a system who basically made him though. Without the playstation brand he would be a nobody.. And i can bet you he isnt pushing the ps3 to the max yet. Not even close..

[DarkSniper]

Hideo Kojima is known to be one of the masterful creators that has propelled the good name of PlayStation into the household name that it is today. With that said, he's never been "satisfied" with each creation of Metal Gear Solid. For Mr. Kojima to create the game of his fullest vision, he will need to still be alive when technology is in it's peak in the year 2050.

The best way to look at it is like this. The difference from Metal Gear Solid 2 to Metal Gear Solid 3 is phenomenal in all aspects. Both games being developed on the same platform. Hideo Kojima's vision has always been on an unrealistic grand scale. Dark Sniper's reason behind this statement can be seen by playing Metal Gear 2:Solid Snake on MSX. That game alone is STILL ahead of it's time.

Food for thought:

Kojima was not satisfied with Metal Gear Solid 1, do you think it would have been a better product on Sega Saturn or Nintendo 64? Saturn did not have the graphical structure to produce the full scale 3D vision he had. Only the unreleased Shenmue came close. Nintendo 64 would have been perfect for graphical purposes, but all of the cutscenes and dialogue would not have fit into the cartridge.

Kojima was not satisfied with Metal Gear Solid 2, it got ported to the XBOX. Only to have it's exclusive features back on the Playstation 2 where it recieved superior sales and critical appreciation.

Dark Sniper would like you to raise your hand if you truly think Kojima's vision can be fully realized on Xbox 360. With the inferior hardware structure, disc limitation and etc. it's preposterous to think that Metal Gear Solid would actually be taken seriously on Xbox 360.

Dont worry, there's hope for Splinter Cell. The developers of that game seem to be "proud" of their accomplishments. Same with Bungie being "proud" of the underachieving Halo 3.

$niper

[Z F1GHT3RS]

'We're using the Cell engine to its limit'
ps3 reached its limit all ready LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DELAY BEYOND!!!!!!

[PS3GamerFix]

i believe this is one of those case of artist's need for perfection being misquoted and misunderstood.

[pp]

i feel sorry for the people who brought ps3's i really do there is still plenty of time to purchase xbox360

[SUP3R]

Why? oO

[Xiru]

Another dumb comment. You are on a roll today. Why would ANYONE in their right might give up a reliable PS3 with the best exclusives coming this year for a 360 that will most likely fail on them, and has only a few great titles for 2008 and beyond? Only someone who looks past reality and lives in fantasy land. Also, this again has nothing to do with 360 vs PS3. The game fills up an entire 50gb blu ray disc. The 360 can't even come close to that space. I've heard that low res textures are used because of space constraint. This could be why he is disappointed in the graphics. Because even blu ray doesn't have enough space for his vision.

[Salta_nelas]

LoL. He said the same about previous MGS games...

[Salta_nelas]

When is he ever happy? He even says 50gb is not enough!

[Alcohog]

Says the man who said HD wasn't important.

[whoelse]

Well he is a perfectionist :)

[pp]

i guess kojima should have had made the game on xbox360 first and ported it to ps3

[DomUltra]

See, Kojima is going for a demographic that isn't 13 year olds going through puberty thinkin' there coolshit, Kojima wanted to know his game would be on reliable hardware that is more powerful than the competition, and he got just that, he just wishes it was more powerful, No body wants your Xbox 1.5, anyway keep playing Gears of Grey and Gaylo all that other fantastic gay stuff.

@ Below:

It's true Gears of War 1 and 2 would look marginally better on the PS3 there is no denying that, the PS3 is a more powerful machine.

@ Sak500

"Kojima disappointed..."

"Soon all sony driods will join him in the ranks."

Man oh man your a dumbshit

[Dacapn]

Gears of War 2 would be better on the PS3. See what I did there? I took a 360 exclusive...and said it would be better...on another platform!!! I know...genius.

[Infolite8907]

So kojima can numb down the graphix to support dvd9? hmmmm

[jkhan]

I read the article some where else and this is how i responded there:
Well I really appreciate Kojima San. He is a perfectionist. Still believes that can achieve the unachievable even in this age. PS3 will turn 2 this Nov. and even thats no in all region. What do he expect to release the end all game just in the infancy of the console. Its simply not possible. Although MGS4 looks stunningly beautiful but we will see a huge leap when 4 years from now we will be comparing the game of PS3 first gen and 5 gen. Remember they allowed developers to overclock the PS2 processor in its later stages and we saw games like God of War 1 & 2, same will happen with PS3. Just imagine the PS3 cell processor being over clocked:P

[replikka]

r u losing faith in ur ps3 mister? talking about overclocking lolol

[man0fsteel]

I wonder how awesome of a game it would be if he could create EVERYTHING he wanted to create in it.

-would it be the best game of all time forever and ever? :)

[Infolite8907]

... that pog hasn't showed up yet! haha maybe he jumped out

[Z F1GHT3RS]

i think he is playing a game or having a social life. something u cant do.

install beyond

[psycho360]

YOu sound like you're his biatch.. Dont worry honey he'll be home soon to do you one over.

[sak500]

"Kojima disappointed..."

Soon all sony driods will join him in the ranks.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

LMFAO!!!! HAHAHAHaaHHAHAHHaaaHAHAhahaAHA

[Gladiator7]

he said the same thing before MGS2

[Iamback]

There is no denying that this interview and i am sure he will repeat this before game comes out, hurt PS3. It can be translation but he is basically bashing on PS3. I think this is mistake, even if true, because sales of his game might suffer. I mean what kind of attitude is that you go around sell your product and when people ask you what you think, you say "I am disappointed by it!"?!
Its not something we do in west, we hype even if we are selling sh!t from a sick horse, "ITS AWESOME". Maybe it is Japanese thing, but not smart move. I wonder what publisher thinks, hmmmmmmm

[IzKyD1331]

MGS4 is the first game to use ALL the power the PS3 got, so im pretty sure this will be revolutionary to us PS3 owners.....but what can you do? Kojima is a perfectionist....which isnt neccesarily a bad thing, hey maybe this will drive him to make a MGS5 on the PS4? lol, im dreaming again

[4cough]

Its the emotion engine all over again....................OVER HYPED and UNDERACHIEVING.

[Z F1GHT3RS]

you got that right.

delay this gen BEYOND!!

[replikka]

oh my look at this. the sony fans are very good at damage control. the man said he is disappointed. dont imply crap. its a 50 gb disappointment lol. im glad i have a 360, with the best software line up so far. and yes, they OVERESTIMATED the PS 3. the man has spoken. Kojima is a god to some of u fools

[IzKyD1331]

wrong zone man, -1 for not being able to read....and for being an uninformed fanboy

[smurfie4]

If Kojimas vision was too big for the ps3 what makes you think it isnt for 360? Oh but teh ComPressionz! Compressing 50g of space down to fit a dvd would result in a lot of loss content. This game was built from concept on up with the playstation 3 in mind. You can wave specs around all day, but in the end it wasnt built for 360. Kojima isnt the only developer whos had to make sacrifices because his vision was too big.

[LevDog]

This is just like God saying he isnt satisfied with Jesus.. When your a perfectionist Nothing will satisfy you

[cloud 279]

Like the people in the comments said "Artists are never satisfied with their own work." Just like Fantasy never lives up to reality.

I think the writer of this article has twisted Kojima's words and presented in a different manner.

I'm still getting this game, my mind won't deter from this. His imagination for these games is really big and I do understand this.

I have pre-ordered the LE version of the game already.

[smurfie4]

So I get a disagree from one of you immature xbox fanboys. If any of you care to make a sensible argument be my guest.

[wow4u]

Why dont you just read what Kojima just TOLD you.

"the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction."

" But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today. "

"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually."

*WE* dont need to tell you anything, KOJIMA just told you that he *TOO* was over-promised on the PS3 -- why dont you believe him?

[Chris_GTR1]

did u read the article? he says hes dissapointed that the ps3 didnt allow for him to create what he wanted.

[Swat20]

we can add this to the pile of further proof that the PS3 can do about the same as a 360 and both consoles are the same damn thing with just fanaticism separating the two.

[Captain Tuttle]

Not so loud! ;-)

Have a bubble

[Xi]

he should've made the game for the 360 and PC... that way he could do SOOOOOO much more. :P

[Obama]

Like I said before xbots don't know the definition of being humble.

[JokerSGS]

Honestly I think this is Kojima being a perfectionist. If you watch the game so far and it's beautiful and probably the best thing we've seen this generation aside of GT5 that is out now. Kojima is asking something that is very unrealistic for this generation and for a possibly the next. I think Kojima is having a vision to the point where the difference between a game and real life is skewed. But this is only a positive comment because it shows that he is never satisfied which shows he is always thinking about how to one up himself and anything else out there.

[Avto]

The day a good dev is completely satisfied with his/her games is the day we should stop playing games and the sh!t about using Cell to the limit it'll take another MGS game to show the limit of Cell and PS3. Sure we all want bigger maps, better character animations and destructible environments, but the thing is with every next-gen we get we'll be promised to get this but in the end non of the machines are up to the job not PS2 and Xbox, PS3 and 360, neither Xbox720 and PS4 will live up to the promises

[moujahed]

Kojima's next game could have graphics comparable to real-life, gameplay that actually makes you feel like your there... and smell-o-vision.

HE STILL WOULD'NT BE SATISFIED!!!!

The man conquered the PS3 console, thinking he wouldnt be able to scratch the surface, but he touched ground. Now he's bored... go figure.

[darx]

This guy is annoying!

[replikka]

did u say he conquered the ps3? with graphics like that? i know for a fact the reason y it is 50 gb is becuase all of that space is wasted in cut scenes. mgs4 is one big CGI movie, with little 5 minutes of playtime. ps3 can keep mgs4. gta 4 is a real game. im out

[Avto]

man you're fcuked all the MGS games have ingame cut scenes not CGI

[IzKyD1331]

have fun playing GTA when your 360 blows up

[DomUltra]

Guess what.. your also real Ϝuckin' stupid.

It's all real time.

[bakasora]

That guy really don't know many things.

[nitramn4g]

A little honesty from Sony. The game may desapoint but it's the best ps3 has.

[Doctor Strange]

If MGS4 is what he achieved his first time out on the PS3 and he wasn't exactly as he envisioned it, I can't wait to see what the perfect game is to him if he can create it.

I'm sure this will not stop anyone from buying MGS4 since everyone is blown away anyway.

[Mercutio]

This is the same guy who wanted, the game disc to stop working if you lost a game...

Very innovative, true artist..

BUYING FO SHO..

[sixaxis]

this is very funny article actually, why on earth would a game developer say such a thing, and to be so confident in it. Which one is it, MGS 4 sucks or not? I hope that theres few people who are going to read it! Kojima is taking it really seriously, he needs break (some time out). I will definetaly buy this game, because i havent played any other mgs game. i know i have missed some very über games.

[Trick Nolte]

But you are about taste the creme de la creme. Enjoy my friend.... enjoy. If you have a PS2 you should go buy MGS:Snake Eater, it pwns!

[solar]

or buy the Essentials Collection :D

[LightningPS3]

But the reality it's not more powerful than XBOX 360 like it's hyped to be. It's about the same thing.

And to me Kojima saying this, really just cements what everyone has been seeing for the past year.

PS3 fanboys will say whatever they want, but I have my own eyes and I'm not gonna make excuses.

Nothing wrong with that, I just say it again, that's why the PS3 needs to cost the same as XBOX 360 worldwide to complete. There is no reason for PS3 to cost more in Europe and no reason for them to cost $50 more in the US with the Premuim 360 at $350 and 40GB PS3 at $399.

PS3 charging extra for what? Again it was a sad day, the day Sony got the Idea of Blu ray. Using the playstation brand to push Blu ray, technology that will probably become useless in a few years anyway.

The more you think about it, just the more you see how Sony tanked it up.

The solution is price cuts, that's what has gotten them somewhat in the game again, and we all know that PS3 started going better with the 399 Sku and pric cut in Europe. It's obvious that PS3 and 360 are neck and neck and it's a price war.

[Avto]

well we can talk sh!t X360 would make a better MGS4 but the thing is this game can just fit on one Blu-ray so there is no way this game could ever be for X360

[Trick Nolte]

Konami could always do a 12 disc MGS4 box set for the 360. LOLZ

[kadosho]

Whenever I read an article like this one, depicting its director's afterthoughts; its closure. Why? When a game is complete, and the main director gives you insight in what a system is capable of. But when fan-ism gets a hold of it, its almost as if their reading from a bible.
Q:Does a console have to be perfect?
A: No it doesn't, like all things, we run into a few bumps

If there was ever a perfect game, it would be the model for others to follow. So much has changed since the 2D days, we're pushing ideas many of used to play with action figures; re-enacting fights in our imagination. And what you see in games today, are those same daydreams we've had as kids re-imagined, and brought to life.

And I can't disagree with Kojima, if a game feels undone, then its that way. With so many years in production, and actually hitting a systems weak points; that takes a lot of strength to admit. When you look through some of your gaming mags, how many directors admit "our title had a ton of potential, but we just couldn't fit everything we wanted into the game". We're actually beginning to see that more & more each console. Wonder if there will be a moment, where a game makes its developing team actually have closure.

[SL1M DADDY]

Really I do. Anybody that is that hard on himself must be awful tormented each day. I for one think the game looks awesome and is leaps and bounds over the others. Too bad you can never convince the perfectionists...

[Trick Nolte]

He's a genius and a perectionist but just as important humble and very ambitious. We need more devs like him. 1st he was unhappy about the amount of space on BR and now he isnt pleased with a masterpiece. Well, Kojima San... I'M HAPPY AS HELL ABOUT MGS4 :D. In fact, I'm Sh!ts and giggles over MGS4. MESSSAAAAGE!!!!

[crank]

blah blah blah fu**in blah

disappointed with your own work

could it be... human

this has nothing to do with the ps3

five years ago this guy was working with crayons and pixels and now he has a robotic da vinci to carve with and he is.... underwhelmed

see you in 2039 when your clone is not satisfied with your haircut

[IQUITN4G]

I'm sure MGS4 will be exceptional to all those wanting another game in this series but the article clearly shows that Kojima had bigger plans from the PS3 hardware.Graphically it will be very nice i'm sure but for Kojima to openly addmit his unhappiness at the standard of visuals means it will unlikely represent some of the best visuals on this machine.

He mentions how he has achieved just the 1 fold increase of his original 10x ambiton and that to me is a game less than it was planned to be.

I'm not slagging PS3 here but some of you guys need to stop kidding yourself that Kojima is actually saying something entirely different in this interview.

A ton of disagrees with what i'm saying here should tell you something at least

[solar]

it sounds like his visions overpower even the most power PC's. technology is limited his form of "art". and it upsets him.

[zonetrooper5]

Delicious Sony tears...

[Angelitos]

Kojima is using the same engine he used for the ps2, of course he is going to be limited.

[tatotiburon]

so everybody says that an artist is never happy with his work because he only want perfection? did kojima once said that devs that think themselfs as an artist are really stupids?

[synetic]

come on its the same guy that said 50 GB bluray is not enough .

[RAM MAGNUMS]

no worries even still. This guy is really using his hype to direct movies! Maybe then he feel his " vision "?
Either way this game is still exclusive.
it seems this guy is a real perfectionist. I don't think metal gear is all that original & I think kojima is a manic depressive.
but the game is nice & its fun so... Whatever.

[Nagthragarthoth]

therefore we can expect 99% perfection.

[himdeel]

NO!! 95.789...I mean come on I LOL at your 99%!!!

[likeaboss302]

This game has been hyped to the extreme. He's just trying to bring it down a notch before everyone gets it. That way when it doesn't make your lunch for you, you're not upset.

[wow4u]

Its pretty funny at the number of PS3 owners saying "Oh, that funny Kojima, he's always kidding like this." and other arm-chair psychoanalysis.

Hey, Kojima just TOLD you the PS3 is maxed with his game. He just TOLD you that it couldnt do what was promised.

You guys are just laughable.

Oh, btw, the Iron Man Demo is pretty good. Check it out.

[bluegoblin]

how does FF looks better if the ps3 has been max out???
I mean MGS4 looks amazing but there is no doubt in my mind that this is not the PS3's limit.

[HondaSIRowner]

Of course first gen games don't come out as people expect them to.

Kojima's creating his own stress. Don't worry man!

[phctheone]

don't worry kojima.. we will love it besides the amazing graphics

[itsalive]

Wont be happy until everyone has an Enterprise class holodeck at home.....

[HelghastGeneral]

You know its funny how shameful xbox1.5 fans are they do not realize how badly Microsoft screwed this generation of games.

All multiplatform games move exactly like last generation why because of xbox1.5 inferior cpu. For example somebody please show me a xbox exclusive game that has better animation than uncharted drakes fortune? Or better facial animation than heavenly sword? Or how about near live action gran turismo 5 replays? Or what about how realistic a helghast solider moves when getting shot?

It will never exist on xbox1.5 why can’t xbox fanboys see that truth do you know that if Microsoft would of invested in a powerful processor like the cell all games could have had animation like uncharted drakes fortune?

They didn’t because they wanted to blind you with highly textured character models that move like last generation so that they could sell as much as possible before ps3 came out.

I have both xbox 360 and ps3 and this is the reason why I support ps3 because its overall performance is so much better every game could have been so much better.

So what do you think I am ps3 fanboy for because of blueray? Because my ps3 is shiny black? No because it is the true next generation system and its so sad how all these xbox fanboys defend a fake system so much.

You know what Microsoft did a really good job fooling you people but its time to wake up and accept the true next generation system.

[wow4u]

Thats funny, Kojima just told you otherwise... and he's not the first.

Come-on man, try and pretend to be a little honest.

[himdeel]

Think Kojima will need a blankee and some warm milk. Someone should tuck him in and read him a story or better yet the reviews of MGS4 when it comes out so he can sleep a night :) Poor japanesebabyman ahhhhh

[stennexxx]

Kojima better be joking. I am computer student and i have looked at the cell design. It is very powerful and crunching numbers. I think the GPU however might not be powerful enough. Most of you by now have played Uncharted, COD4 and Ratchet and Clank so if MGS4 comes out looking better than these games then there is no need to worry. I personally don't think graphics should go beyond COD4 for now. They should tighten up things such as AI, and more particle effects. Kojima is a perfectionist so no amount of graphical power will please him for long. He is always going to want to do more. GT5pro looks sweet so we need not worry about the PS3. I know that PS4 will we a hell of a machine though especially if Intel has anything to do with it.

[wow4u]

If your a CS student (I also have a CS degree), you'll like to read this:

http://technabob.com/blog/2...

http://arstechnica.com/news...

One of the issues the PS3 Developers may be encountering is the resources they give-up to implement things like In-game commerce, friends-lists and such, things that are available from the Guide on Xbox 360.

The development environment is the real back story here. I'd be very curious to know which of these "extra" things Kojima has put into MGS4 and the consequent resource limitations.

[xionpunk]

And thats why MGS4 is going to be an instant classic. Kojima actually cares about what he is working on.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

---LLLMMMMFFFAAAOOOOO. Maybe you droids will listen next time when we tell you it looks like sh1t. Trust me. Even the creator thinks so.

""When we first showed the game engine at TGS, the staff were really proud and happy. PS3 was a dream machine, y'know, and we were going to work on this and that - and we had so many ideas. But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today."

"we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU."

---OUCH.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Oh... my friend you are getting good at this :) bubbles bubbles bubbles for you.

[FirstknighT]

Well I for one have given Hideo some respect. MGS4's graphics are average at best. Definitely not mindblowing like you guys used to say. The whole game has a strong green look to it. But I will say that MGS was never about the graphics. Just the gameplay.

[DomUltra]

Shut up knight, your always a dumbass no one takes your comments seriously.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

are you done playing Halo 2.01, or did those green lights on your system decided to differentiate themselves from your green ssa sh*tface by going RED?

i really dont get it man. when a dev comes out, and say, man, this game is SO GREAT, ITS SO MUCH MORE THAN WE COULD HAVE HOPED FOR.... as smart person should go, REALLY MOTHERF*CKER? REALLY?

only you guys can accept halo 3 as the greatest game ever, i really can't see that. i really cant understand that mindset.

and thanks to you FirstSH*t, i can kinda see why some people actually believes that if they blow themselves up, then they'll get 72 virgins in heaven, although its not clear whether its male virgins or females one. to say that MGS4's graphics are average at best? NEVERMIND you're the same f*cker that said the same sh!t about UNCHARTED, and PROLOGUE.

so i wont be surprised when your 360 sets your house on fire, and you go and buy another one the next day. after all, with a name like FIRSTNIGHT, and that stupid avatar......everytime you post, i look at the avatar, and i imagine someone on a toilet trying real hard to take a sh!t. same goes for that Genuine dude......dumbf*cks.....shakes head....

[zonetrooper5]

Trying to see if this image would be attached....

[MALVAD0]

he push the ps3 to his limits.... let see when the game come out

but now just imagine if he make a mgs4 4 360 and they push it to his limit 2 the 360 gona xplode or red ring of death?

[psycho360]

DEJA VU..looks like 2007 all over again. Sony droids had their laugh for last 3 months. Tables have turned back again.

[bluegoblin]

when the reviews come out!!!Stup!d bots

[Ovidius]

Then it HAS to be good. Probably great. Not Perfect(which is why he is disappointed methinkz)

[AngryTypingGuy]

Kojima seems like a perfectionist with unrealistic expectations. MGS4 will be a GOTY candidate for sure, but Kojima will always wish he could've done a little bit more.

Looks like an awesome game, maybe I'll have the chance to play it one day if I ever buy a PS3 (doubt it). Oh well. But nevertheless, I hope all of you PS3ers enjoy it.

[pp]

those words from kojima himself must be hurting you all ps3 fan boy's.there there wipe those tears away

[TheREALHarryEtTubMan]

He's just trying to flatter himself in some way DUHHHHH... everyone that went and played this said it was absolutely mind blowing... this is his way of saying "I'm so good this STILL isn't good enough."

MGS4 is going to be one of the highest rated games this generation, if not the highest/

[DFresh]

The only thing Kojima was disappointed about this game was their wasn't enough space.
PS3's are able to upgrade their hard drives to 1 Terabyte.
I believe once every Sony Gamer gets at least a 300Gb Hard Drive or bigger and Sony makes the space on the blu-ray disc even bigger like 200Gb instead of 50Gb.
Once you fix those 2 things we can make even bigger games and make them better like 4X bigger in space/ disc.
Memory space seems to be a big thing now this gen.
Bigger, more complex, and more vibrant games.
See there's your solution everybody.

[sak500]

Jeezus, stop u idiot. All the space in the world wont help ur precious po$hitstation3. It has gimped cell and 2 gen old gpu and 256 video ram. WTF will he do with 200gb of space. Stream it like rail game ?

GO and read some reviews of gfx cards from last couple of years. See what difference a gpu makes with 256mb - 512mb. Or nowadays the 1gb has become the standard in vgas. You can see games like crysis wont run on freaking 256mb vga at acceptable details

[brianpk80]

He shouldn't be running around saying things like this. Either he's just unduly hard on himself or MGS4 isn't what it was cracked up to be and he's trying to do preemptive damage control for his own reputation, at the expense of Sony and Konami. Shame on him either way, for spreading bad publicity on MGS4.

[Varsarus]

Why are the bots so excited about this?, the game won't be able to run on their system.

Have any of you been reading the review from the press that went to the Konami MGS4 3-day Boot Camp?

http://forums.maxconsole.ne...

Now I tell you these journalists were humbled by this game

[GiantEnemyCrab]

And that wouldn't happen to be because they flew them out to their secluded studio and then wined and dined them for days. With fireside chats with Kojima.. Just listen to 1up and Shane (the resident PS3 fanboy) was there and they bring up interesting point's about it.

Let's just say any responsible journalist will not allow the person who went to this retreat to review the game.

[perils]

you cant write your own reviews. with kojima this is probably a good thing!

[meepmoopmeep]

damn Kojima-san is rough on his own awesomeness
o_O

[Figboy]

what i find amusing is how many people are taking Hideo Kojima's comments to heart.

the guy is a perfectionist, who will never be happy with his work. this is what drives him to continue to produce the amazing games that he does; he's constantly striving to produce that "perfect" game, at least perfect in his eyes.

thankfully, that hasn't happened yet, and he's still making games.

as for the graphics of MGS4? it looks fantastic to me, and yes, it HAS been downgraded from the initial reveal trailer from a few years back, but that doesn't mean it doesn't look fantastic now.

it's only natural that the Playstation 3 has limitations, all gaming platforms do, i just think Kojima is being hard on himself concerning MGS4. if i recall, i believe he expressed similar sentiment with MGS2 a year after the PS2 launched, saying that he pushed the machine to it's limits. then his teams cranks out MGS3, which is, almost hands down, one of the best looking PS2 games on the system, and looks absolutely fantastic being upscaled by my PS3 to my HDTV.

i think the word "limit" to Kojima means something a bit different to him than to other people. limit is a subjective word anyway, by definition. we all have our own limits.

there's some people who's limit is running 2 miles. some other people's limit will be 1, or 3, or even 5 or more. it's all subjective.

i think Kojima HAS pushed the PS3 to it's limit as far as the CURRENT UNDERSTANDING of the architecture is at the moment.

once again, look at this:

Metal Gear Solid 2:
http://www.absolute-playsta...
http://www.absolute-playsta...

and this:

Metal Gear Solid 3:
http://www.mtv.com/games/vi...
http://www.gamepro.com/sony...

see the difference? i know i most certainly do.

in the case of Metal Gear Solid 2 above, Kojima thought he had pushed the PS2 to it's limits graphically.

as you can see with MGS3, he was WRONG.

i have no worries about the quality of MGS4, and any future games on the PS3. we're only a year and a half into the consoles lifecycle. to think that ANYBODY has tapped the full potential of the machine is ridiculous.

don't take Kojima's words to heart to harshly, he's just being the hard on himself perfectionist that he is.

[Vip3r]

Well said, bubbles to you.

[solar]

very well said.

[juuken]

Well said. I'll give you bubbles as well. That was very well thought out.

[altimako02]

if anyone said that about the xbox 360 all you fan boys would dog that system out hard as you could

[videogamer]

he is an artist, who wants to do better every time.....and i totally respect that. Mr.kojima, thank you for bring MG/MGS to this world.

[altimako02]

but then you say that he should have said ( this or that ) .dont you think if he is a perfectionist that he he said exactly what he ment.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

You just blew my mind....

[JokesOnYou]

"When we first showed the game engine at TGS, the staff were really proud and happy. PS3 was a dream machine, y'know, and we were going to work on this and that - and we had so many ideas. But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today. The original vision was to go ten steps further, the reality was just one step, which isn't to say we didn't progress."

-damm he could at least said 3 steps further.....ha ha nah, of course the guy is being to harsh on himself but it does remind me of the days prior to ps3 release when Sony's PR had everybody believing the ps3 was soooo powerful with the "power of the Cell" and blah, blah hell some sony loyalists were talking like the damm thing would make you breakfast in bed too. lmfao reality has a way of inserting a little logic into the madness, Kojima I guess is labeled as a perfectionist but he was right about the graphics because imo all though they are good, they don't look as good as they did before. Oh well I know its his game and he can say whatever he likes but in the end this isn't the kind of talk anybody wants to hear just before a much anticipated game is due.

JOY

[PMR_21]

way to negatively affect sales

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

The PS3 already did that.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Actually there is a little bit of truth to RealTimeWeaponChange's comment. While the PS3 itself won't negatively impact sales, its lack of install base compared to the other two will. On the flip side, I'm guessing that MGS4 will affect the PS3's install base in a very good way.

[DevonTheDude535]

Kojima JR has disliked all of his fathers games, they even talk about it in the Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 disc (The pre-order one with the MGO beta inside)

[juuken]

Kojima has always never been satisfied with his own products. It doesn't mean that MGS4 is going to be crap. I don't know why you Xboys are getting so excited and gleeful. You hear the man say he's not satisfied with his product and already you're here, ready to bash the PS3 to smithereens.

When this game is sold out, I'll be seeing your tears very soon.

[sak500]

Sold out? No wonder they are only releasing 100k copies. Tears would be of laughter at the poor droids.

[juuken]

Get over yourself buddy. If you have to go so low as to bash a console, then you have serious issues.

[ShadesMoolah]

I was at TGS when they first showed the trailer for MGS 4, and like the rest of you noticed how much SONY rhetoric was in the trailer (you know the winning the console war with the cell speak etc etc), and the surrounding buzz. As a fan of the series, I was so excited for the game.

Then we had the other early trailers which had some real beautiful character models (oh Meryl and that hair) and the beautiful Dr.Hunter

Then BAM!!!! --- it all changed.

We had the real trailers with changed character models and an obvious downgrade in graphics for all to see. Only those in denial would argue that the new version looked as good or better than the early videos.

It's obvious from reading Kojima San's comments that the specs they were given were not the real deal and was basically part of the SONY spin machine.

SONY talked up the power of the PS3 and it was only until Kojima got his hands on the final specs has he realized that the PS3 wasn't as powerful as SONY made it out to be.

Still MGS 4 will be a great game. It's just a shame that the obvious downgrade had to happen.

[juuken]

I think you should read what figboy had to say before you start that thing about Sony lying.

[juuken]

He's being too hard on himself, in my opinion. The game looks incredible and he should be proud of that. But perfectionists will always be perfectionists so...*shrugs*

[DevonTheDude535]

If you ever listen to many directors commentary's, especially Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, many directors in motion pictures typically wish they could have omitted/made changes to the movies after they all ready came out. Hence why theres so many "cuts" of Blade Runner.

[cr33ping_death]

in the end no matter how certain fanboys try and spin this.......MGS4 still isnt coming to the 360. as i said long ago i bought the 360 for GEARS and it looks like youll have to buy a PS3 for MGS4. keep on spinning.

[cmrbe]

if he was touting his game people will say he is an arrogant prick. MGS4 rules. Period.

[ShadesMoolah]

QUOTE KJ: "When we first showed the game engine at TGS, the staff were really proud and happy. PS3 was a dream machine, y'know, and we were going to work on this and that - and we had so many ideas. But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today"

Because SONY PROVIDED YOU FALSE SPECS IN AN ATTEMPT TO BELITTLE THE COMPETITION.

QUOTE KJ: "I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."

BECAUSE SONY LIED ABOUT THE SPECS AND USED YOU LIKE A PAWN TO HELP ITS CAUSE IN THE LOOMING CONSOLE WAR.

Basically pre PS3 release SONY said one thing, Kojima went "WOW, COOL" and then when it was crunch time the PS3 and its uber CELL wasn't what it was initially claimed to be BY SONY.

SONY used Kojima.

[juuken]

Shadow, Sony did NOT use Kojima. Kojima has said all of this about his MGS series. It's nothing new at all. That does not mean that Sony used him.

Get your head out of your ass please.

[richie007bond]

MGS4 doesn't impress me at all,graphicly its good but not stunning.The PS3 isn't the super console sony promised us 2 years ago,its just a glorified blu ray player,don't get me wrong the ps3 has some nice games,i have a few myself but dont exspet the ps3 to surpass the 360 graphics wise,there about on a equal footing when it comes to nice visuals,sony has lead us all on a merry dance.

[jackdoe]

I think it looks stunning. Truly makes you feel like you are in a warzone.

[Big Jim]

I agree that MGS4's graphics are not that great. But the PS3 ALREADY HAS surpassed the 360 graphics wise. Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, and Lair (yes, Lair) all have better graphics than anything on the 360. If Killzone 2 looks anything like the preview videos, then it too will have better graphics than anything on the 360. The graphics race is over, and the PS3 has won.

[B-Rein]

I seen some gameplay and thought it was too amaizing, lol kojima really does have his high standards lol, i know its gonna be good when its out though

[getrdone]

Hes dissappointed because the game wouldnt fit on a 50 GB blu-ray disc.

[Covenant]

I wouldn't read too much into this...Kojima is the king of perfectionists.

[RobertGonz69]

Imagine if this game was coming out on the 360 also. I wonder what would he say. I am sure he would say worse things about the game about the game.

[Nitrowolf2]

he always douting himself.
i think he is a great dev and he probaly did a good job at being director.
i mean all his MGS were beautiful
I hope someday kojima will start making MGS again and this time he will be ahead and finally wont feel disappointed (and hopefully the game wont suck because he is finally satisfied).

[Big Jim]

I really, really doubt that MGS4 has pushed the limits of the PS3. Uncharted, ratchet and clank, and so on all have better graphics than what I have seen from the MGS4 videos. MGS4 is not going to be the PS3's graphics showcase, not even close. Killzone 2 looks much better than MGS4. MGS4 will be a great game and I'll buy it on day one, but it sure as hell is not going to reach the limit of the graphical ability of the PS3. Other games ALREADY look better than MGS.

[mistertwoturbo]

Now BigJim, I agree to a certain extent. But you do realize we have not seen anything but 8 month old builds? Once the actual game ships, trailers, screen shots, etc. Then we can all criticize the graphics if they are good or not.

To be honest, I just played MGS2 the other day. Yes MGS2, and that game was a graphical show piece even til now. I highly highly highly doubt that MGS4 will disappoint. Bear in mind, the Metal Gear games were the ones that Pioneered graphically for the console it came out on. Starting with MGS1 on PS1, then MGS2 on PS2, and then MGS3 on PS2 again which improved over MGS2, and I bet MGS4 will be no different.

[Big Jim]

I hope you're right Mister, but I just don't see the graphics being massively improved in such a short amount of time. Still, graphics or not, MGS4 should be a great game.

[Xi]

hype.

This game is getting more hype then halo 3. Too bad that it probably wont score as well as halo 3.

[SiLeNt KNighT]

in the past two days ive read about 5 extremely old and repeated stories. didnt kojima say this like a month ago?? and didnt i not care about this pointless story about a month ago?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Well there you have it, even he thinks the PS3 sucks.

[juuken]

Reread the article dumbass.
There's no indication of him thinking the PS3 sucked.

[Ri0tSquad]

Jason360 is running around and owning himself with his own comments. Lol the last time you got a game on your console that was half the size of this game, it looked like a PS2 game. Yeah, Lost Odyssey? Yeah you know what I'm talking about. Your laughing at a game thats impossible on your system without 8 dvds being included. Yet your system can't pull this off and the one that can sucks?

See how you owned yourself?

[Martini]

Finally somebody has the balls to tell it how it is.

[f789790]

It just means he's upset that he couldnt do everything perfect. George Lucas wasnt happy with the special effects in Star Wars until Episode III but everyone still loved every movie.

[cmrbe]

So many xbots. Must be the 5k margin that has brought them out again hehe. Nice to see you suckers are still around haha. Troll all you guys want. Nothing will change the fact that not only this game is a GOTY contender and most likely win, It will be better than any game coming out of the x360 period. So eat your hearts out losers.You will never see this game on the x360.

[Obama]

I agree that mgs4 will blow everthing that the 360 has to offer this year. No competition. The bots are just jealous that they can't get their hands on mgs4.

[cmrbe]

Just look at how many of them are on this thread. Very insecure bunch i say. The reality really sucks for the bots.

[Martini]

Wow you guys sound like a support group for disheartened ps fans - need a hugh ?

[cmrbe]

Martini. Group hug??. If anyone needs a group hug is xbots like you. Coming on to these PS3 threads hating on a game that bots were crying for haha. I know it sucks being an xbot. Reality really does sucks eh?. From the words of bots themselves. A blu-ray player is outselling your precious x360 even at a higher price point and no heavy hiters while the x360 already blew its load haha.

Stick around. Its going to get so much worse for xbots. Mark my words.

[njd82]

Maybe his team aren't the master programmers he/we think they are.

[Ritterrav]

In my HONEST, HONEST OPINION. You know how when someone directs a huge blockbuster game, they become famous? like the the creator of God of war? or Gears of War? Well how much more famous would they become if after they released a best selling game and then said, 'Oh, that was nothing really, You should see my next game' or, 'Thats not even what i was aiming for, i was limited by my team/funding/hardware/time/Wha t ever'. They would be held in the limelight like a mad man for saying he could do better then is super holy sh!t blockbuster and get massive massive hype for his/her next game.

BASICALLY, what would you do or say if after Rockstar releases GTA4 and says, 'Wait until you see what we REALLY HAVE IN STORE for the next GTA, because now we __Insert excuse here__'? You would crap on the walls and wait for their next release.

[Big Jim]

I think you're letting your imagination run away with you.

[AngryTypingGuy]

It mentioned in the MGS4 Boot Camp article that some of the cutscenes are around 30 minutes in length. Ouch. I know that long cutscenes are a staple for the Metal Gear series, but 30 minutes is too long.

[kornbeaner]

can you please provide me a link cause I have read 4 of the Boot camp reviews and nowhere on those four has it even mentioned that the game contained Cut-scenes 30 minutes in length.

Not defensive in anyway but from the 4 boot camp articles I read, all I got was that this game rocks harder than any game before it.

[AngryTypingGuy]

No problem. A previous poster on page 2 of this comments section posted this link: http://forums.maxconsole.ne...

If you look at the third asterix from the top is says "* Some of the cutscenes will be very long. Apparently Kojima mentioned some of them will extend to around 30 minutes in length."

To be clear, I'm not slamming the game. I loved Metal Gear Solid, and there's no reason to think that with the over the shoulder view and controllable camera that this won't be the best Metal Gear yet. I'm just of the opinion that 30 cutscenes are too long for a videogame. It interrupts the flow.

[Neo604]

it story is base on real history

[Solotov]

Kojima, "We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually."
Well, at least we get to see the absolute max of the PS3 in June.

[ElementX]

He seems arrogant to me. Sure, you can call him a perfectionist, but I think he's arrogant.

If you're never happy with your final product, just f#cking quit.

The last MGS game only sold 3.7 million copies with 120 million PS2s out there. For his sake I hope this one sells better. New IPS are selling more than that these days.

[kornbeaner]

Be careful what you ask for, if it wasn't for people like Hideo Kojima we would have a bunch of people like EA who are happy putting out garbage games year in and year out.

[ElementX]

I'm going to try to get the MGS bundle, but I asked at Gamestop and it's first come, first serve. Maybe I'll just buy the $400 PS3 and the game separately. I can always install a larger hard drive. BC is useless for me because I never owned a PS2.

[kornbeaner]

Funny thing about this story is, Kojima is making a game for the PS3 and is unable to reach what he really wants to do and there for the PS3 must suck.

Now lets say Fable 2 comes out and in an interview with Peter Peter Molyneux he states that he wasn't totally happy with the game because of hardware limitations, much like he stated when the first Fable launched.

All of a sudden he is one of the best designers in the world because he was able to max out the 360, and all the fanboys Scream "just wait till technology can keep up with him, the xbox720 is gonna own all" then you have your PS3 fanboys proclaiming "the 360 sucks , this game should've been on the PS3, blah, blah, blah."

Fanyboys are fvcking retarded, Hideo Kojima and Peter Molyneux have put out some of the best and original games out there and all fanboys can do is use them to see whose console preferences is best, HAHAHAHAHAA. How about enjoying the games they put out and be grateful that we have the ability to enjoy some of the greatest minds during our lifetime.

Fvcking losers.

[Xbox is the BEST]

the Cell is going on? It's mind bottling that these Sony fanboys think that the PS#3 is the Second coming of Christ
Play Behind

[Ri0tSquad]

That you Microsoft lab dogs with 4 bubbles are hating against a game that is impossible with 1 disc on your console and won't come to it either. WHAT A SURPRISE.

And "Play Behind"? Lol, that was real cute, I'm sure Bill Gates would be proud of you.

[AngryTypingGuy]

1. It's "mind boggling", not "mind bottling".

2. You're right, many Sony fanboys worship the PS3 a little too much, and won't ever admit that there are pros and cons to owning either console. They also will disagree with any post that contains anything remotely negative about the PS3, which shows how big of babies most of them are. Also, some of them like to pretend they are Sony executives. And at least one of them talks in the third person.

3. ri0tsquad - I am at least 360 fanboy or "Xbot" as you guys like to say, who truly hopes that this game turns out as great as expected. I may or may not get the PS3 one day - probably not - but for the sake of the people who dropped a wad of cash on the PS3, I hope they get their blockbuster. Why would I not be bitter you ask? Because the 360 provides many AAA and other great games, and I don't have the time to possibly ever beat them all. I'll never have a shortage of great games to play. So yeah, I hope most PS3 owners have a blast playing this excellent game - except for a few super annoying PS3 fanboys on this site - you know who you are - I hope you get the yellow light of death!

[Xbox is the BEST]

watched Blades of Glory?

[cmrbe]

its hard arguing with fools so i will just wait until the game is released. I have copied all the x360 fans comments that are hating on this game and publish them later when this game gets 10's and mark my words it will. I will call out everyone one of you.

[angel604]

thats probably a lot of people

but ive seen the tgs 2005 trailer, and do admit it does look slightly better, probably because they just had to focus on that one trailer and tease everyone on what they wanted to do, but most games are like that killzone, even gears when the first screen shots were posted a year before it came out were better than the final product but gears, killzone 2 still looked great

basically your going from 12/10 in graphics to 10/10, so even if hes dissapointed everyone damn well knows its gonna be best of the best, no need to say if it was on 360 he would have reached his vision..its pretty much crap he would have said the same thing

and both consoles wont reach there peak until the nxt generation of consoles come out...thats why they make the nxt generation of consoles, so when the rumblings about xbox 720 or ps4 are heard and theres a set release date..thats when well see the peak of 360 and ps3

besides if anything is gonna truly push the ps3 to the limits after metal gear its gonna be Resistance 2 or god of war 3

[ElementX]

I never said this game wouldn't score high, I'm saying it won't sell like Gears of War or Halo.

[feejo]

Whatever they say it is going to sell alot.

[BigKev45]

I guess I'll cancel my pre-order then.

[Bathyj]

I like the guy and his games, but hes such a pre madonna.

[sumfood4u]

All he wants is Perfection!

[H2Os]

@IP Student, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't GT:Prologue 1080p/60fps?

[jackdoe]

It is 1080p/60fps during regular gameplay. During replays, it is 1080p/30fps due to added effects.

[mistertwoturbo]

So I just re-read the comment by Kojima, and it looks like he got a little specific which to my surprise nobody here has mentioned.

"But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction."

Size of the map? Maybe graphically it's to his satisfaction, but perhaps he couldn't make an open world like he envisioned similar to how he was praising Assassin's creed for it's open world.

And we know Assassin's creed generally has good graphics, with the huge cities it has. But with a chugging frame rate.

And in previous metal gears, the smooth frame rates and sensitive controls were pretty key to the gameplay. So I'm going to assume in MGS4 the graphics were pushed as far as they could go, but not able to accomplish the huge scope of the game like he wanted.

And then there's motion-blending. I'm not even sure what he's referring to with that one.

[jackdoe]

He probably means motion blur, but too much motion blur isn't too good either. He also probably wanted 4xAA which is pretty damn hard to accomplish on the consoles(isn't 2xAA the norm?).

[XxCYONIDExX]

If he's talking about how there's not enough space on it then why doesn't he make a disc that installs some a part of the game on the hdd. I'm pretty sure it has enough space on it to accommodate for it.

[Ri0tSquad]

There will be games that look better then this.

Killzone 2 dev even say we won't see the PS3 pushed to its limits for a couple of years from now.

[Spydr07]

I doubt he's pushed the graphics of the PS3 to the max. I'd bet later PS3 and 360 games look better than MGS4. The best looking games are never out on the first year. I guess MGS2 looked as good as God of War...

[Ri0tSquad]

But the whole "Oh, PS3 sucks!" and the childish comments will never end.

[heroman711]

graphics for this game are still amazing and one of the best ive seen so far besides killzone 2. its not really the graphics for me but the story that makes mgs so great

[hamburgerhill]

SO this is the game that maxes out the PS3? I mean he's basically saying that they pushed the PS3 as far as they could but the graphics couldn't be pushed any further! Yes the game looks good but I just cant see how they pushed a new console to its limits so fast in it's lifecycle! KZ2 looks really good but I would have to give the overall edge to MGS from what I've seen so far!

[busytoad]

Kojima should bring mgs4 to Xbox360,better framerate,no jaggies,awesome online thx to xbox live,bigger player base which = more money for them.

sony just droped the ball way too many times,they did goood with ps2 but failed hard on ps3.

Honestly if sony said they would refund your money you spent on your ps3 wouldnt you get your money back?i know i would.

[TheBronxxx]

It's sad how sony I'm guessing lied to Kojima about how far he could push the system (PS3) and what he "could" have it looking like in the final product, but only to realize he just wasn't able to accomplish what sony promised him he could. I mean, why else would he have his hopes set so high on a game and then not be able to reach those goals and have to come out with statements like this so close to it's release? It's not like he couldn't do it if the system were powerfull enough. If I were him I'd be pretty ticked off knowing my name is on a game that can't live up to the expectations sony told me they could. Or I dunno, maybe I'm reading too far into this and he's just sad cause the exclamation point won't fit on top of snakes head anymore...

[RINGOFDEATH]

Why,because Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 and HAZE looks way better than their Metal Gear 4 so they blame the system,its his team a big dissapointment,not the PS3.

[King_many_layers]

The lighting in Killzone 2 is far more sophisticated, you merely having seen a level where there is direct sunlight so your comparisons are really far off.
Another not on Killzone 2 is that it has been stated many a time that they were not even nearly done on the textures of surfaces in Killzone 2.

also, personally I think that the lighting from that slight trailer in Resistance 2 looks very good ( I'm fairly sure that it was in game )

I still believe this game looks very good though. Maybe not as Good as upcoming games, but what can you expect really. I think they've done a very good job and I look forward greatly.

[jackdoe]

Please stop blasting the graphics in MGS4. IMO they wipe the floor of any current console game on the market in terms of atmosphere and attention the detail. ALso, you CANNOT compare Haze to MGS4. MGS4 kicks Haze's ass three times over and thensome (MGS4 has more detailed textures, better character models, and a better story). As for KZ2 and R2 comparisons, yes, they look better in some regard but they aren't coming out for a few more months.

[misterssippi]

Truthfully the gameplay I have seen looks much like MGS3. The cut scenes are rendered beautifully however. I don't think he is being a perfectionist in what he is saying. I think he is being honest in his assessment of his game and the limitations of the machine. He isnt the first to say this of the ps3.
Fanboys are taking it to the outer realms on both sides.

[King_many_layers]

limitations of the machine is a bit critical so far.

I'd say limitations of the engine they're using on the machine or their current knowledge of the machine

[Citizen Cook]

Then he would have been happy with the tools provided him...

HA HA HA HA!

[Daz]

Half the people in this fraed thinks graphics are the only thing what takes a machine to it limits :p

IT comman sence that its not just the graphics.

[MrBii]

Xbots have become desperation itself.

They now resort to attacking the PS3 with every positive news possible (just spin it around and around).

Them bots now claiming that PS3 is a weak machine and it is maxed already.

Come on, who the fk are you trying to convince. This is the machine that gave us GRAN TURISMO 5 which PWNS anything on the 360 graphics wise.

Then there is:
Killzone 2, Resistance 2, FF13, FF13, MGS4, Uncharted, Heavenly sword, Ratchet and more. THERE IS NO GAME ON THE 360 THAT COMES CLOSE TO THESE TECHNICAL MARVELS AND POWERHOUSES.

The proof is in the pudding. The "weak" PS3 is still 3 times stronger than the 360.

[AngryTypingGuy]

You're right, the proof is in the pudding. I guess that your pudding hasn't arrived yet.

The proof is in the pudding - go to gamerankings.com and look at the scores for the new generation of games, both multiplatform and exclusive.

[GrimWarrior]

That Japanese dude is CRAZY!!!! xD

Seriously, he's so genius to the point he drove himself to insanity!!

We'll see how good MGO is in a couple of days...

and if MGO is good ---> MGS4 WILL be good!!!
at least gameplay-wise. ;P

[BoneMagnus]

When we reach this point - where we can plug ourselves into a world that is indistinguishable from reality(except for zombies and aliens to shoot with plasma guns) - gamers and developers will be satisfied.

I'm really curious to see the final reviews of MGS4 - to see if his disappointments are based on an unrealistic perfectionistic vision or whether the game itself is lacking. I'm guessing its the former - meaning the game in and of itself is great.

[altimako02]

haven't even been released yet , so how can you say they are technical marvels or even powerhouses. this is the ignorance that i have came to expect form a fanboy who spends more time arguing that their console is better , than playing the games they defend. wait till the games come out and you play them to form your own personal opinion , not the opinion of people you dont even know. quit believing everything you read on the internet

[Smoove808]

There has been plenty of positive outlook in sight of this huge statement by Kojima. Not so much flamming shockingly. It'll Probably be a fantastic game anyways. The Japanese in general are critical. Kojima seems to be very traditional in that sense. I can't say that there isn't any doubt is lingering. It would be a tremendous dissapointment for the ever so patient PS3 fans who waited this long to get there hands on a "REAL DEAL" exclusive, and it sucks big Snakes B@lls.

[Ali_The_Brit]

he IS too hard on himself, he has been disapointed with every game in the franchise but guess what its still one of the most giant gaming franchises in gaming history, and graphicly looking its one of the best i have ever seen it truely looks amazing, and i wish xbots would stop comparing it too a crappy unreal engine game

[Ali_The_Brit]

you know whats funniest of all? when the MGS4 on xbox rumours went around a while back the xbots couldnt stop rubbing it in with glee. now they know, not only is it never coming to there console, but there console could not even handle the game, they try act like they dont care. HA!

[7h3ultim8p00]

Aw, chill out Kojima. I'm sure the cash you get from this will be more than enough to comfort your "failure" to achieve perfection.

[eddispider]

After playing gt5 prologue its clear to see that the ps3 is not as good as the x360. There is tearing everytime 3 cars or more shows up on screen(its dam ugly) ,and slowdown. Then there is no car damage and few polygons on roadside detail. The cars in forza 2 have 50000 poly more than gt5 does. Forza 2 does 60fps with no slowdown with more roadside detail. Gt5 prologue is a joke.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Oh man, the PS3 fanboys will RAPE your bubbles. But yeah, prologue wasn't as hot as the fanboys had me believing it was going to be.

[hamburgerhill]

Your comment is really out of place and should be next door in the Open Zone!

[poeo]

HAHA.

Funny guy :)

[Mars Attacker]

How long are we into the PS3 life cycle now? Nothing seems to change. The PS3 has survived all this time on brand loyalty and the promise of great things to come. Looking back, most of the PS3 exclusives have been long overdue and have come up short of the mark if they do release. Multi-platform games are almost always better on the 360. At best MP games are equal on the PS3, but never better.

If you listened to the hype for the last three years, you'd figure by now the PS3 would have many great exclusives and multi-platform games would be far superior to 360 versions. This just hasn't happened.

GT5 is the only saving grace for the PS3 and it probably won't be out until mid-2009 at this point! Even GT5 will suck without custom music, so hopefully that long promised feature will be out by then.

[MANTIIS]

this takes NOTHING away from the impact of the game. Kojima is a perfectionist. Everybody knows this. The gameplay movie we all saw from TGS last year shows that even at that point the game looked and played fantastic. If there are criticisms from Kojima's studio about difficulties programming for the Cell, then I think it can hardly be certain that such troubled programmers could have juiced everything the Cell can render. Be that as it may, judging from the gameplay footage I still think they did a pretty good job. This game will kick the competition's collective @sses.

[candystop]

Well most of the xbots have valid points unlike yourself and other delusional sony fans stuck in the past! This game pushes the PS3 to the edge or should I say limit and Kojima is upset for being a fanboy and falling for the PS3 hype like anyone in his position would! Time and time again its been said by developers that the PS3 pretty much sucks but fanboys ignore this and boost up the system status to that of 360! MGS4 could of had the best visuals of the year but due to the limitations of PS3 now the crown will go to Alan Wake, Wolfenstein 360, or Gears of war 2! I truly hope the best for this game but its ashame it was made for that lousy console which isn't as powerful as once perceived!

[bootsielon]

If he wants his game to sell