GTA IV has frame-rate and pop-up issues, says 1UP

According to a 1UP preview, GTA IV suffers from the same glitching and frame rate issues as its predecessors.

"You'll likely notice the same graphical 'quirks' that the series has dealt with since the jump to 3D. The same filmlike, grainy framerate exists and usually holds steady, but it can momentarily dip when things get frantic," the article says.

"There's some long-distance graphical fade-in as well as some street-level hazards that appear only after you hit them. Traffic will be nonexistent one second, then three cars deep when you rotate the camera back around, and then completely disappear when your wanted level gets to two or three stars (which is oh-so-fun when you desperately need a getaway vehicle)."

However, this time round, Rockstar has made attempts to veil them.

"But even these problems have been 'upgraded' in a sense for GTA4: An artistic application of filters hides some of the uglier character models, there's more types of cars to choose from, and overall, the feel of the city trumps any of the shortcomings we're familiar with by now. But you'll be able to see that in the screenshots and eventual videos."

[SPARTAAN]

this is why no game should get 10/10 because no game is perfect but i think this game deserves a score between 9.5 to 9.8 and 9.9 should be given very rarely
havent played it yet so cant give it a exact score

[MURKERR]

how can any game recieve 10/10?

uncharted
halo3 got-graphics wernt great,640p
Bioshock-people complained about no online
mario galaxy

those games you could put in the 9/9.5 bracket which is an amazing score but to give a 10/10 thats pure hype and reviewers that do that should be ashamed,improvements can be made to any game

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

I just take them as a METAPHOR for a MUST-OWN.

I really CAN`T WAIT to see/hear/read the PS3 reviews. This could be interesting, to say the least.

[sonarus]

i have been complaining about the same thing as well. Once a game has hype these days, a 10/10 is given. Its just sad. When smaller games come out with the same frame rate issues, the game is far to unplayable and gets a 6.

[wageslave]

@ 1.1 MURKERR

oh! I see what you did there. Very clever. Lets play "one of those things is not like the others, one of those things does not belong."

Metacritic Review scores:

uncharted 88/100
halo3 93/100
Bioshock 96/100
mario galaxy 97/100

You're point was "hey, these games dont deserve all those excellent reviews". The problem is that Uncharted's reviews werent as good as the others by a long stretch. Its incredibly ironic.

@1.4
That review was posted in the PS3 section.

@1.5
You're offtopic. Reported as such. Nice FUD though.

[Varsarus]

@Wageslave

read this quote.

"And, oh yes, the shooting. Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view"

They reviewed the 360 version and copied it to the ps3 section.

[Amanosenpai]

Thats not bad cause its (actually) the best way to solve mistakes in future titles.

The big deal here is that WE ALWAYS WANT MORE... and more... and more...

Then, Nothing is perfect ^_^

[Jinxstar]

You see though. 10 is an average. It also takes into account other things. you can't score more then a 10/10 for say "Plot" but maybe the reviewer wants to give it a 12/10... like extra credit. I think a game can get a 10/10 but it is very hard. It always says in the end "Not an average" Just an overall what they think its worth. its worth 65$/65$ I think thats what a 10/10 really means...

[thor]

10/10 is not perfect. Think of review scores this way: What do you think, say, the original half-life would score if it were released today? Based on graphics, it's poor. Based on gameplay, yes I know it innovated at the time but we've seen a lot of games like it since so if they first released half-life now it would be unoriginal. The score would be quite low I think. Review scores are just a guide as to the reviewer's opinion of

-Which games are better than which
-Which games you must play
-Which games you shouldn't waste your money on

There's a 10/10 score for a reason, and that's to make people think, "WOW I must get this game".

[SPARTAAN]

anything above 9.5 can be considered a must have and nowadays many mags and sites are giving away 10/10 even if the game has many flaws and the score of 10 should be reserved for those once in a life time games... just count how many games were given 10/10 and you will be surprised

some website went to the extent of giving SMG a 11/10 because well every hyped game that comes out gets a 10/10

[Mr_Bun]

I killed your father...I am prepared to die.

[dan-boy]

so you've played the ps3 version and the 360 version then???????? ofcourse you have'nt! so take your fanboyism to the open zone yeah!

with a game like this, some frame-rate and pop-up has gotta be expected! unless rockstar have made the greatest game engine of all time ofcourse! which clearly they have'nt. it still wont stop me and about 10il others buying this though.

[sonarus]

lol i'm sorry wageslave i hope i didn't hurt your feelings

[etownone]

"oh! I see what you did there. Very clever. Lets play "one of those things is not like the others, one of those things does not belong."

good to see i'm not the only one that caught that!!

[NO_PUDding]

Nice avatar ^

Anyway, I think that Uncharted deserves as much recognition as Gears of War: Very little.

If anything it did more and looked better, so that's the proof. Although Uncharted had sucky gun play in comparison. Being a big camp man typical of UE3, always makes things better... hehehe. But it did genuinely have a more visceral feel.

[misterssippi]

@ Spartaan
How can you think it deserves a 9.8, like you said you haven't palyed it yet. I'll reserve judgement till it comes out. Too many folks thinking this game will be the next Jesus. In the long run it isn't offering any real innovation, Just kinda moving the Liberty City story line along. We'll see tho.
If reviewers were honest, games ratings would be considerably lower.

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

A game's score is never the sum of its parts. It's a 10 if it feels like a 10. Period.

[Corrupt]

"Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view."

I expect the PS3 version to be similar.

[green]

It is the 360 version that they are previewing.But i agree with Spartan.No game is perfect so a perfect score is not needed especially if the scoring is percentage based.

But why did they put the 360 preview in the PS3 section as well?Well it's 1UP.

[SPARTAAN]

the same preview is in both the sections

[Corrupt]

http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

It's just a copied preview for both platforms.

[green]

yes its true.But its a very complex world,so technicall issues are definately going to happen .

Anyway how come other sites that have previewed GTA4 failed to spot the issues?Even if they are not the final build they should still be reported so that it won't be so much off a shock when reviews come out.

[Corrupt]

Personally, the Lazlow is one of my favourite parts of the latest GTA's (the rest is the icing on the cake) and not even frame rate issues will stop that man.

From what I've read, few have touched upon how it runs technically, they tend to spend all the review on the content.

[destroyah]

And put the same preview in the PS3 section. Wow. This just goes to show you how truly biased 1up is. Trying to make people believe they actually previewed the PS3 version. Idiots.

[St0]

Didn't the first review say the 360 was slightly worse with popup & framerate than the PS3?. Guess we'll just have to wait to find out since no other site has played the PS3 version yet

[TheExecutive]

every site has basically copied the 360 preview of this game and tacked it onto the ps3 site.

We actually dont know a whole lot about the ps3 version.

Does it have accomplishments?

[TrenchaunT]

The first review, in the Official Xbox Magazine, said that there was a little bit of texture pop-up, but it was very minimal. They didn't seem to think it was an issue at all, and did not mention cars appearing out of nowhere.

As long as it's a bit better than GTA3 was about it, I'll be happy.

[Genuine]

With approximately 90% of multi-plats performing better on the 360, would you really have felt better if they had a separate PREVIEW for the ps3 version?

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

Greatest pic I've ever seen.

[hydrog]

Well that does it, i'm cancelling my pre-order... :-)

[GutZ31]

thats said, it shows that its under the PS3 preview, but its completely copy and pasted as the 360 review as well.

Check for your self:
PS3: http://www.1up.com/do/previ...
360: http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

The real question here is, what version was he "really" talking about.

On the last summery of the preview, this is said.

"And, oh yes, the shooting. Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view."

and thats on the PS3 and the 360 storys.
So there is actually no way to know what the hell hes really talking about, if he even played the 360 version all the way, or play the PS3 version at all.

[BLUR111]

cancelling your pre-order? why? cuz what 1up says lol

[TheJBag]

oh well what can you expect, it still will be one of the greatest games of 08.

[Corrupt]

These issues didn't stop the previous GTA's from being great. It won't be any different for this one.

[Pricey]

they should mark it out of 1000

[heyheyhey]

in before Ken says its the 360 version and before brothersimon says its the PS3 version

[Sir Ken Kutaragi 4]

Your a good Mind reader!!! ;-D

Was going to say -
'GTA IV on the xBox360 has frame-rate and pop-up issues, says 1UP'
;-D

[heyheyhey]

why thank you Krazy Ken

i have a pretty wonderful gift if i do say so myself

for example- i can tell that MART is the one trying to trade a goat for a PS3

[brothersimon]

If you look its the PS3 section. :D

PS3 failed lololololololol,olololololllol olololololol

[Foliage]

Speaking of fail:

http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

It's nice when people own themselves.

[Varsarus]

"And, oh yes, the shooting. Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view"

So I guess they definitely previewed the 360 version? rofl.

Deal with it bots, your version is having problems, and it's not our fault lol.

[brothersimon]

nope :-D

[NO_PUDding]

I like how being a fanboy is so open nowadays. I genuinely do, it means we can take the piss out of ourselves, great job brothersimon and Krazy Ken.

Love the open zone... Love it.

Anyway, I don't care, I bet it will be neither versions... they just had a go on a demo.

[happyjimmy]

Thgey should be banned for posting such a lie. There are no glitches.

[v1c1ous]

pirate alert!

[tweaker]

No game is perfect man. Not even Tetris. lol

[Yi-Long]

....well... I never experienced framedrops on Tetris!

:P

Nah, ofcourse no game is 'perfect', yet that doesnt mean you cant give a 10. People value scores too much, take them too seriously.

The framedrops sound disappointing, and there arent many games that i personally would give a 10... but of other reviewers wanna give a 10, then that's their business.

Also, some sites dont use the point system, so 9 point 3, or 9 point 8, etc. So in those cases it's fully understandable that they give a 10 instead of 9.

[Exorgasm]

I'm very surprised you didn't get more disagrees for suggesting Tetris is anything but perfect.

[green]

I will reserve my judgement for when more credible sites like IGN review it.
Reminds me when they said the 360 build of DMC4 was almost unplayable compared to the PS3 verison and they ended up being of the same high quality.

[Corrupt]

is when Shane (the 1up Sony fanboy) mentioned it (about DMC4). This is Andrew Pfister, so I expect it to be fairly credible.

[onyxbox]

It wasn't Shane.

[DivDee]

I was expecting these things anyway. I mean come oan, it's Rockstar lol.

[meepmoopmeep]

i agree, it has nothing to do with DVD9 at all.
it's the caching system.

[OOG FunK]

yea this is bound to happen with pop up etc unless they get way more ram in these systems to deal with everything...and lil more power in the video cards wouldnt hurt either.....but hell its GTA yehaw lol

[Exhaust]

Tell that to destroyah. ^^^

[gaffyh]

I think it also depends on the engine that is used, not just the RAM, I mean a lot of Unreal Engine 3 games suffer texture pop-in like Mass Effect and other games don't. Most likely the GTA4 devs haven't optimised the game enough.

[Ghoul]

it's more likely about asset management, texture/data streaming, it's not the ram's fault if you get popups, it's the engine that is stuffed with too much content that can't be handled by the system anymore, and it's a huge problem the 360 lacks a harddrive so 3verything really DOES have to be in the ram since you cant cache data to the harddrive.

+ before i haven't seen it myself i wouldnt dare to tell the cause of those problems only ign reported sofar

[LightningPS3]

You know the 360 version isn't gonna have problems like that. hahaha

[DivDee]

I sure do hope thats sarcasm I can smell. lol.

[wetowel]

I blame this on Microsoft.

[Scarfy]

... but it's Grand Theft Auto. They've always had frame rate and pop up issues.

The GTA series is one of those games that attempts to squeeze as much out of a console as possible.

So, if you were expecting it to run at 30fps in 720p without any pop up or frame drops, then you were expecting far too much.

THE HONOUR OF THE KNIGHTS
http://stephenjsweeney.blog...

[Kain81]

has a resolution at 1080p but i dont know about the framerate.

[Fishy Fingers]

Both, yes BOTH support 1080p. Support being the key word, as its just upscaling, nothing more. Naive res for both systems will be 720 (max).

[DeadlyFire]

So what if the game's target speed is 30 fps. All games that have targets of 30 fps take a few dips into 20-29 fps with a few frames, but that's okay. That isn't going to stop me from causing chaos in Liberty City.

[The Closing]

Guess it's not perfect after all. Shocking news. ; p

[TheExecutive]

YES IT IS!

*Goes and cries in the corner*

[boJABER]

1up is the last place i look for reviews and news. so i dont care about wat they say

[OpiZA]

Interesting, i'm glad they said what we've all been wanting 2 know. Can't fault them for that.

Game will rock my socks though... i'm sure of it.

[kewlkat007]

so does that mean some are gonna cancel their pre-orders?

Or not buy the game?

There are no perfect games. There is no perfect console that can pull it off.
Anyhow I'm sure it won't distract from the game itself. Even though technical issues are more serious then minor graphical flaws.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

I don`t even PLAY anything under 9.9.

All I own is OCARINA OF TIME!

Perfection FTW.

@edit. (the exec)

Yep, if your game is under 9.9, we go w/ PitchForks and burn their studio down.(@the FBI, I`m joking)

LOL.

[TheExecutive]

lol @ Anego. I agree. Screw these lazy developers! IF we all demand perfection they will have to give it to us!

[Mike134nl]

Thanks to the ps3 they had a extra few months for the xb360 to fix the glitches so it should not be that bad.

[Ghoul]

the delay was not because of the ps3 but the multiplayer component.
as stated by rockstar several times now.

when will this end ?

[Unreal_Liquid_Jonte]

When every fanboy is dead.

[m-s-8-2]

Are allowed to procreate, that day will never come =/

[THE TERMINATOR]

Didnt the first review state that the 360 version suffered from framerate and pop in issues.
Anyway it IS the 360 version "Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view"

[Gamer13]

I played all GTA games, and ive experience all these pop up and frame rate issues which im ok with. Just under 2 weeks to go can,t wait.

I don`t think it was the final build 1up played it was just a demo - what ever build im kool.

[Hiresdes]

The pop up and glitches never really bothered me that much in past GTA's , in fact I've come to expect a little pop up here and there, especially when you are working with game with such an immense scale and groundbreaking detail

[Hellsvacancy]

nothins perfect, the amount of effort R*'s put in2 this game and yet people still moan, grow up or if u think u can do better DO-SO!!!

[bob2083]

i think 1up are just trying to make some "big news" so they get some hits on their website.
We have to realistic with all that is happening in any kind of game like GTA you will expect some frame rate issues, as so much is happening. i don't think any of these "problems" will harm our fun playing this game .

[Yi-Long]

... yet it wont really affect my decision to buy the game.

What I'm more disappointed in, is the fact that many sites/magazines have failed to mention it in their previews and/or reviews. It's their job to tell us all about the good stuff, but also about the bad stuff...

Hopefully, some of the pop-up issues etc can be fixed later through a patch or something.

[Varsarus]

Hmm, interesting, the GTA series never really had a good frame rate anyway, can someone mind telling me what the pop-up issues means? :S, I think Mass Effect has them.

@below

Nice info, thanks.

[Corrupt]

far off objects 'pop' into view when you get close enough to see them, instead of slowly coming into view.

[TheKungFool]

the pop-ups remain my only critique against "Oblivion"; sometimes you're walking along looking at the treeline and *pop*, a tree, building, castle etc just sort of shows up, as opposed to coming into view smoothly. (still, one of the best looking games to date)

the issues with Mass Effect were different. It wasn't so much "pop-ups" as much as it was a lag before the textures filled themselves in. One second your characters face looks bland, then after a second or two, the detail textures would fill themselves in.

[meepmoopmeep]

oh noooez

hopefully the PS3 version isn't affected.
but yeah, no game should receive a perfect score.
even my precious MGS4

[Salta_nelas]

Frame rate issues have been noticable in all released trailers.
This was the 360 version, maybe the PS3 wont have this...hopefully.

10/10...? Right. Hype.

[DARK WITNESS]

there is no perfect game and i suppose if you take a full 10 score to mean it has no technical flaws or problems and that is what a perfect game is then ya, nothing should be 10/10 because there will always be technical flaws.

i have always felt that technical flaws can't be helped but there is also so much else that can go into a game and so much else that can be done wrong.

to me ( this is my opinion ) a 10/10 score is just a way of saying that given everything else that is currently out so far, this is the best overall and the best you are going get thus far.

i am much more interested in knowing the score for things like story and overall gameplay, the controls etc.

to me ( and i understand that not everyone will agree with me on this ) this game is a 10/10 game. its as good as it gets so far.

it sounds like it has all the wright points working for it. There have been so many other games that have promised sooo much from " next gen " and done nothing then give us better graphics.

Its nice to see a game that is not boasting about graphics but putting next gen power into other areas of game play. Thats not to say it looks bad or anything.

can't wait for this game, one of the few games that really is next gen and not just pushing nice graphics !

[Kaz Hirai]

Looks like the 360 version is a GLITCHY MESS! Once again, my Sony Soldiers are blessed with the SUPERIOR version! Those Nazisoft GOONS have already lost the GTA 4 war!

57 days until Judgment Day, Nazisoft!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[timmyrulz]

If the ps3 is so superior i expect their version to be running at 120 fps with no mantatory install, no texture pop ups and for it to turd out golden nuggets when you complete it ....................

[meepmoopmeep]

sorrry, what?
do you even think before you type?
why would it need all that?
and now you see why having an install isn't such a bad thing after all, now is it?
hrmmmm..

[Ares84]

....that humans can only see 60fps. So 120fps won't make any difference to us.

[timmyrulz]

was done with the "optional" install done if its the 360 version

[Kleptic]

most likely not...this is 1up...Any features that would prevent this kind of thing, 1up ignores...also take into consideration that these problems are probably exaggerated to the point of extreme...

that is the only way 1up does things...make a big deal out of nothing...and overall continue to suck at all costs...

[MK_Red]

1UP is just looking for a reason to give a lower score to this. If they count these problems for GTA4, then Saints Row should have gotten 2/10 instead of 8/10s it got.

As I said, fanboyish sites like 1UP and some others will probably end up giving lower scores to GTA4.
I haven't played it but from the previews and early word, GTA4's phenomenal and so far, no reasonable negative or con is revealed.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

Some people LOVE to be the person that doesn`t like what everyone else likes.....just to be THAT guy.

In this case I don`t know if 1up are wrong, but I hear ya.

EDGE is a bit like that, sometimes....less fanboyish.

BTW, have you heard the 1up podcast where Shane talks about MGS4, Garnet(i think that`s how you spell it) sounds MAD trying to come up w/ anything negative to say about Shane or MGS4, If you haven`t heard it, check it out. It`s funny.

[mistertwoturbo]

This whole "pop-up" thing is so blown out of proportion. Gears of war had pop-ups here and there, but it did not detract from it being a super bad-ass game!

A pop up here or there won't mess up GTA IV. Those of you crying "ohhh wahhhhh i'm going to cancel my pre-order now" need to grow up already. Jesus christ, you guys act like GTA IV was going to be the epitome of super duper next-gen video games or something.

Get your heads out of your butts, and just play GTA IV and enjoy it! 360 or PS3 it don't matter, just play it and be happy already. (on April 29th that is)

[Maldread]

It didn`t stop the other GTA games from beeing great, and i`m guessing it dwon`t keep people from buying it either. The real issue is if it will be the rule of the game or the exception of it. I`m hoping for the last, or at least that it runs better than the previous games which didn`t have the best framerate. A few drops here and there though, i can live with. Even MGS4 with a perfectionist like Kojima behind it will probably have a few framedrops in it when the action get`s heated, but it`s not something that will ruin the whole experience for you.

The whole point of a game for me is to be fun of course, but also capture a mood, give you a right feeling from playing it (even though that may sound very strange to some hehe). That should matter more than if the framerate is 100% smooth all the time which is close to impossible, even though i must say i do hate framedrops in games. A lot too. but if the game is overall great and the drops a few, then i do think it`s possible to give a game 10/10. I though i should comment on that too, since many here have brought it up hehe. I do think it shouldn`t happen as often as it does though, as some members of the press seem to give out way too many 10/10.

[TheExecutive]

I am really interested in the reviews that both versions are going to get. I am awaiting IGN's and Gametrailers video review like a kid at christmas.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

This could get interesting.....No NEED for me to say it.

[SUP3R]

360 version is glitchy lol
We already knew this from the 1st review.
So all you hdd less xbots better get your $$$ ready hahahahahaha

[brothersimon]

nope

[ps3-360-wii123]

the first review? you mean the FAKE on that FAKE site with FAKE WRITTEN ALL OVER IT man some fanboys are truly irgnorant its okay to defend your console even if i do think its retarded and stupid and exposes alot of people for being what they really are ..loners anyways
that first review was confirmed fake and if it wasnt fake then you failed to mention he changed the review and said the 360 was equal
and he said there was an install feature on the 360 WHICH THERE ISNT
so there you go you made yourself look like and a$$ dipsh!t next time check and the first 2 REAL reviews from the xbox magazine and ps magazine both gave equal scores so stop bickering you fanboy and try to get laid for once in your life

edit keep disargeeing your just proving my point that fanboys are f@gs

[SUP3R]

but one thing is common between the first review and 1up's preview.
"360 version is glitchy"
suck it

[ps3-360-wii123]

you do realize the first ever review was fake right? did you ignore what i wrote cause your so blinded with fanboyism 76% of all multiplatfrom games run better on 360 its no fanboyism its the truth
and people only previewed the 360 version the ps3 is none for jaggdey frame rate even uncharted (one of my favourites) had a bad frame rate at times your dumb for believing the first fake review you dont realise that you partically ignored half of my comment because you dont want to face the fact that im right your a loner/fanboy reply back b!tch i love owning you

edit: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGET AGAIN THE FIRST REVIEW WAS FAKE DONT IGNORE THIS COMMENT ITS FAKE IT WAS A FAKE do you understand now
dont ignore this again

PS i love all consoles im not a fanboy

[leon76]

Ahahahahahaha!!!! humph, 1Up....only testing the x360 version, and assuming that the same problems are in the PS3 version whitout testing it!! Ahahahahahah!!! This is great, how biased this sites are!!!! When comparing games that were ported to PS3 from x360, every one notice framerate problems in PS3 versions, even the miniscule ones, no other gamer could see, but they saw, and then gave them inferior scores....now that the framerates problems are in the opposite side, no one cares and the scores are going to be the same, you'll see!!!! Great journalism, great game-sites...this is what we get, unfortunely!!!!!!

[Keowrath]

Some of the glitches are what makes the previous games so awesome! Who here got busted in the air while flying an apache by SUPERcop?

[Evildoomnerd]

That supercop b@stard busted me in Vice City while I was raising hell on a rooftop in Downtown in a Cheetah. I was completely out of reach when he teleports next to the drivers side door, throws me out and busts me. He was like an 80's version of Agent Smith. But on topic, with all the things you can do in GTA IV, this is expected, as long as it wasn't as bad as San Andreas. I've crashed countless times in a Hydra as a result of buildings and trees that pop out of nowhere, but still a great game :)

[Varsarus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the early and present?? previews based on the 360 version?

[alcaponedya]

a lot macroshaft.

[bootsielon]

It's only the 360 version

[ps3-360-wii123]

hmm if i remeber rockstar said that there will be pop in and slight techincal problems that will eventually be visible on BOTH consoles
again another fanboy bashing another console without a reason lol
answer my question why do bash another console?
why do you love your other console?
why are you a fanboy?
do you have friends?
do your parent neglect you?
are you depressed?
do you defend your console because you have nothing else in your life that matters? you are a sad person and i wish you luck i really hope you dont turn sucidal after the things i said but honestly answer those questions and you'll realize how much of a loser you really are
fanboys are f@gs period wii 360 and ps3 all of them get a life play the game!

[Merkaba]

Since when is it wrong to hope for a version to be better? The only fan boy here is you. Ask your self those questions.

[ps3-360-wii123]

that the way you free aim is pull the trigger half way its easy on the 360 but remains almost immpossible on the ps3 controller why would rockstar do that ? that just seems lazy.. has anyone else realized this? does the new dualshock have better triggers?

[avacadosnorkel]

Every reviewer gives it a 10 but there is problems with it.

[atomdooze]

but i never ran into that in mass effect. Did I get lucky? IDK Anyway as long as this suckers playable Im sure im gonna like it.Truth be told I would love to buy the ps3 bundle just wish I had an extra 750. I wouldnt doubt if the ps3 version is alittle better R* has been dev. for sony a long time. But im sot gonna spit at the DLC my box is giving me. And if the game runs bad they always make a patch to download. Nothing to get too upset about I run into that problem with my PC. games alot.

[ps3-360-wii123]

mass effect never had pop ins ....just pop in textures and i really dont understand the big complaint about pop ins they really dont affect the game that much what i really worried about is screen tearing that was a real big problem in saints row

[Mike Bowden]

Considering almost all PS3 multiplatform titles have had worse framerates than the 360 it seems the PS3 version will most likely be even worse than what !UP is reporting here.

So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[Varsarus]

Early multiplatform games were, that's because developers had no skills with the Cell (I think), but is there a lead platform for GTA IV?

[TheKungFool]

"HL2:ORANGEBOX" was supposedly worse on PS3.
"LOST PLANET" was supposedly worse on PS3.
"RAINBOW SIX" was supposedly worse on PS3.
"FEAR" was supposedly worse on PS3.

Every time a multiplat comes out, 360 supporters all line up to tell me my copy is broken....but they all seem to work fine on my PS3. Do I have some magical PS3 that seems to work better than most, or are these games not as inferior as 360 fans would have me believe?
Some games, for example "OBLIVION", runs and looks way better on my PS3 than it ever did on my 360.

At the end of the day, I find most of these "huge differences" are minor at the most, and of the 7 multiplat titles I own for my PS3, I've had no problems (personally speaking).

[ps3-360-wii123]

sorry but orange box fear lost planet and rainbow six all sucked a$$ on ps3 im not being a fanboy it was due to lazy developers not doing there jobs its there fault not the ps3 but now ps3 is getting better even tho gta 4 is lead platform for 360 ( i dont know for sure but it seems like it because all previewers got the 360 version before they got the ps3 version) the ps3 version will be the same because rockstar is not a lazy company and they want both console owners to have the best possible experience possible

[TheKungFool]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think its ignorant of you to try and tell me my experiences with those games are somehow "wrong".

I own copies of "Fear", "Rainbow Six Vegas", "HalfLife2:OB", "Oblivion", "Call of Duty 4" and "Lost Planet", as well as having rented several other multiplats, and I've honestly had zero problems with them. Sure, there could be minor differences that make one version slightly better, but that hardly makes those games "suck A$$" as you put it. What, are my copies magical or special versions or something?....because they're working and playing just fine.

Also, your comment about GTA4 being different because "RockStar isn't lazy" seems silly considering all hoopla about the 360 version of "Bully" not working properly (and thats a 2 year old PS2 title).

[ps3-360-wii123]

i was being nice but now you are a dumbass i never said your opinion is wrong i just said almost every review site disagrees with your opinion 76% of mutliplatform perform better on 360 its a fact (check ign gamespot, wikipedia and kotaku) some of those game did have minor problems but some also had big ass problems like raibow six vegas blurry and washed out graphics orange box was graphically infefior on ps3 and to me f.e.ar control where cumbersome and the graphics were dumbed down im not bashing the ps3 im simply saying games that get ported to the ps3 tend to be inferior to 360 this is not my opinion this is a fact and just because you said you had no problems ? how can i take your word i see you on other comment bashing the 360 and making fun of it so your OPINION does not matter because your bias as for the crappy ps3 ports they are starting to disappear because developers are getting less lazy does that mean the ps3 version is going to be better then 360...no get your thumb out of your ass and stop trying to sound neutrual when you cleary bash other consoles except your precious ps3 grow up

EDIT i guess you didnt read my comment AGAIN i already said NOW that ps3 multiplat play just as well as 360 minus the install on ps3
and again your intitled to your opinion of course your gonna enjoy lost planet on ps3 because you dont have a 360 but if you played both and both systems then you realise that ps3 version isnt that good and the reviews show it and thats why you fail and next time read my f##cking comment before spewing bs ..and for the record no gives two sh!t about your lame ass opinion anyways

[TheKungFool]

you were not "being nice", nor were you being civil when you called me a dumbass. You referred to games that many PS3 owners are enjoying as, and I'll directly quote you, "sucking a$$". Sorry, but I'm enjoying those games and don't agree that they suck.

EDIT: I have read every word of your comments. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't read what you wrote.

1) Just because a game got a lower score on one system over another, doesn't mean the game won't be enjoyable to both people. I don't care if "Lost Planet" scored "8" on 360 and "7" on PS3, because my copy plays just fine and I'm enjoying the game regardless.

2) Many of those reviews are written right at the game's launch, and have since had patches or fixes. I can only speak to my personal experiences, and regardless of what you imply, my PS3 copies of those games are running fine.

3) Don't get me started on review scores because more often than not I disagree with them anyways.

4) The reason most of those early multiplat titles were superior on 360 was because it was out a year earlier and the devs knew how to work with it. But look at multiplats like "DMC4" and "CoD4" and such since; they play and look just as good on the PS3.

5) I notice you didn't bother responding as to why "Oblivion" plays better on PS3 or RockStar's 360 port of "Bully" is considered flawed.
Does that mean owners of a 360 aren't allowed to enjoy those games?

[TheKungFool]

Seriously, is a few minor flaws honestly going to stop you from playing this game!?

Sure, its a tad strange that reviews sites are giving it perfect 10/10 reviews and then some flaws are revealed, but lets say those reviews had only given it a 9/10.....you going to cancel your pre-order!? LOL.

[himdeel]

...to seeing the previews for the PS3 version so we can compare. I see some fanboys on fire and I'm getting ready to pour my high grade gasoline. I'm sure this game will be fantastic but I do not expect perfection. The only time I use the word perfection or a derivative of it as it relates to a video games is when I say, "That was perfectly easy to turn that piece of trash off!".

It's just lazy on the part of these previewers to slap the 360 preview in a PS3 section of their website. If they do not have the PS3 version reviewed/previewed then don't say nothing. I prefer they keep the 360 previews where they belong in the 360 areas of their websites. They should not being doing this for any game whether its on the 360 or PS3. Could you imagine the ***tstorm if they did this for games that were worse on PS3 than their 360 counterpart and pushed those reviews as the same for 360 without even reviewing the 360 version of the game?

You'll never see Toyota running an ad for a comparable Ford vehicle just because they both have the same exact model of tires and rims. That's just ridiculous...

[Citizen Cook]

They all had bad controls, bad graphics, and poor frame rate. Yet everyone always overlooks these shotcomings and give them 9 or 10/10!

This wouldn't happen if it were Mario,Zela,Metroid, Halo, or Grand Turismo...

HA HA HA HA!

[qohelet]

my 360 barely handled mass effect (great game by the way)
i think i'll get the ps3 version at first and get a second hand 360 version when the dlc hits (provided it is any good)

[JokesOnYou]

Once again 10/10 does NOT mean a game is perfect or flawless or without any issues, NO its simply a numerical value that represents the overall enjoyment of the experience the REVIEWER had playing the game.

Yes some games may get knocked for framerate drops while other games may not simply because in the mind of the REVIEWER the sum of the overall experience may render those flaws either very minor or in some cases irrevelant. In other words gamers take the review SCORE too literally, I would describe a review score more like the REVIEWER trying to give a number from 1 to 10 that represents how much HE enjoyed playing the game.

So of course no game is perfect, but yes if you play a game and you feel its one of the BEST EVER in that genre, then why not give it a perfect score? In the end previews, reviews, scores, blogs are all just opinion story pieces.

Now with that said, I dont see what the fuss is about this game, never did, but I have a few friends who swear its the best game ever, ha ha I laugh at that statement, but seriously for me it doesn't have to be the best ever, it just has to hold my attention for more than a few hrs unlike past GTA games have done.

JOY

[Postlik]

I simply dont care, And so should everyone else. It's all forgiveable considering it is GTA.

[Varsarus]

Bots, this is coming from a different developer and these issues are similar with Saints Row which is also a GTA-like game, IF the 360 can barely handle GTA IV, then I dunno what will happen to it in the future.

[ps3-360-wii123]

the 360 will probably not sell better the ps3 now
but 360 has some great game
ninja gaiden 2, fable 2, gears of war 2, too human, alan wake,left 4 dead etc. i wouldnt really worry the ps3 still has alot of catching up about 6 million console and the 360 has 35 games sold over 1 million and the ps3 has 10 so everything is good

[juuken]

I don't see what's the big deal with frame rates. If it's not horrendously bad to the point it hinders the game...then what's the issue?

[Official General]

@ sonarus - damn you always seem to keep popping up first amongst the the first few bunch of comments on every interesting article. You like to keep ahead of that pack dont you? LOL no big thing just noticed thats all.

Back to the main point. I just seriously hope that the PS3 version of GTA 4 does not have these pop-ups and framerate issues. From what I can see from reading this this article it seems like they are talking about the 360 version of the game. I'm not expecting out-of-this-world, never-seen-before graphics, but I just want this game to look very good and play excellently on my PS3. I'm just better waiting for official and proper reviews of the game and see it for myself, but these small snippets of information are a useful way of getting an insight as to what is coming ahead.

[Hellsvacancy]

Can we stay on the subject of GTAIV frame rate drops not games/console sales!!! all the bit<hin'll start otherwise

NOTE. would u believe i cant use the word b!tch but i can use the word CUNT lol

[Z F1GHT3RS]

yeah both sides stay within the gta 4 subject.
lol @ CUNT

[thehitman]

wtf is a pop up??

[Whoooop]

is what popcorn does when it's ready...

[thehitman]

didnt help you mean like the game jags???? Like your in 1 place then your in another like lag?

Edit: Thx Kung ok now I see what your talking about like instead of the cars coming into you they just appear on screen bubbles :). Not really a big deal thats how GTA always been doesnt really affect the way you play it because thats how GTA is and its probably for all the things thats in it because it is an open world. Im sure this problem could be avoided if it was developed mainly on the ps3 and use the blue ray and spu's as an advantage but oh well.

[TheKungFool]

To answer your question properly.....

a "pop-up" is a glitch of sorts in a game when something that is supposed to be there pops up suddenly, when it should have come into view smoothly.
Like buildings, tress, cars etc in the distance. As you get closer the graphics would normally fill in smoothly, but sometimes theres nothing there and then all the sudden "POP!" a tree or something just appears.

[aiphanes]

I am laughing so hard right now...

[PiTCHBLaCK]

pop ups can be annoying, but GTA is awesome
so the pop ups arent that big of a deal.

GTA SA had big time pop ups, It's weird to, I'd
be driving really fast and the road would vanish
then reappear..LOL, It was a trip, or would
that be a pop under?. :)

[sleepbox]

What a bunch of whiny people on this board. If GTA4 isn't a perfect 10 then I don't know what is.

[nutjuice]

people would line up to buy it so the score on reviews doesn't matter

[LiquifiedArt]

Seriously, If they use fast XDR in the PS3 with the HDD, hopefully it will be a better play experience. Seeing as how the PS3 was meant to stream High-Resolution data. Its a Streaming Beast!!@#

[eagle21]

They talk about the 360 controller in this preview. You KNOW 1up previewed 360 first. Deal with it. :)

[KBDuB]

Well if you people have problems with this then simply don't buy the game. As it seems you'd rather fight over which system that is having the problems instead of actually saying something good about a VERY GOOD FRANCHISE..

You don't like the few problems(not even a big deal) then don't buy it, it's that simple.
Stop Complaining.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

REmber the first review he said that was one of the main problems with the 360

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

they mustve only played the 360 version...
wait til critics play the ps3 version

[Infernus]

I've disagreed with far too many reviews in my time to even consider basing a purchase on them again. Games on the PS1 like Future Cop: LAPD by EA or Unholy War (AAA game) by Crystal Dynamics were awesome but missed by the masses and given low scores by reviewers unjustly.

Although this is now GTA4 and not a PS1 game lol the same problem exists today with reviews, if a game is seen to be a big hit it'll get high scores otherwise the reviewer's site gets boycotted a lot of the time. Just remember what happened to the Kane and Lynch 'bad' review lol, crazy times.

So forget reviews, the score shouldn't be something to live by. Those that quote metascores to try and prove a game is better than another have no life imo. A high metascore doesn't mean a game is an amazing must-buy, it just means the game has been hyped to the hills enough to push reviewers to give high scores, a thousand 10/10's of a game that suffers from lag online is not a 10/10 game lets face it...

Take what the reviewers say about their experience, think about what you'd think of the game had you experienced the same thing, then check around for more reviews of the game to get a more accurate idea of what the game will be like when it comes out and whether it's worth buying. GTA4 is a game that's worth buying just for the experience, even with these glitches included :)

Turned into a semi-rant there soz...

[bioshock]

man the best thing about the ps3 version is now we got dual shock 3 support plus sixaxix...wow...now i can say only one thing in comparson ps3 version is far more superior thn 360 version at launch.....

[KBDuB]

Cause of sixaxis and rumble? That's not superior to me.. Especially if they don't use or don't use the six axis right.

[Obama]

So the 360 version has plenty of problems.

[power of Green]

I can only imagine what will be wrong with the PS3 version. Its better to expose the 360 version due to 360 fans not caring as much as PS3 fanboys and the fact the problems are probably not as bad on the 360 version hiding whats wrong with the PS3 version avoiding starting a PS3 fanboy war without end.

It would be simply amazing if the version that caused the delay came out on top when the other version was the lead.

I read in the open zone some Sony fanboy saying 1up is biased and was unfairly tagging the 360 issues on the PS3 but what I think happend sence they used the same preview universally is that the PS3 version is worse and they're hinding it exposing the milder 360 version's issues.

1up would be finished if they came out saying PS3 suffers worse problems its not even risky at all exposing 360 issues due to the more muture fanbase hence why they used the same preview(probably milder)issues for both consoles.

[chaosatom333]

the DELAY WAS BECAUSE OF MULTIPLAYER. You must have been living in the cave or something.

[Obama]

I wouldn't go as far to say that the ps3 version doesn't have any problems, but I would laugh so hard if it doesn't. What has been confirmed however is that the 360 version HAS problems. Deal with it.

[eagle21]

The tale of the "World's First GTA IV Review" will go down in N4g history: whether it was an old wives tale or the truth? (wooooooo, spooky) It looks like it is becoming true. :)

Everyone I talked to today about this seems to care. Dual owners care. But duh, if you only own one console and don't plan on buying another one this month, pretty obvious which version your buying.

And for the last time, this game has no LEAD PLATFORM. Did you read the IGN interview?

:)

[power of Green]

They're the same atleast!. Because we all know multi platform games are better on PS3 when its not the lead *wink* *wink*.
1up would end their reputation falsey tagging issues on PS3 and if PS3 did not have issues it should have been clearly stated that the PS3 version has either not been played through or that it does not have these issues. lol

Why wasn't it pointed out" this is only the 360 version why didn't they say *the PS3 version has yet to be played through* or *the PS3 does not suffer these issues*.

I think they're worse on PS3 no amount of attacks will change that(360 fans don't try to destroy non praiser and 1up knows it).

PS3's RAM use will have you guys crying as soon as some reviwer has the balls enough to come out and tell it how it is.

All the smarter Sony fanboys are not jumping all over this useing this as a chance to bash 360 because they know better. Sony fanboys sense somethings wrong, this is why hardly any Sony fanboys are in here" or should I say there doesn't seem to be as much as there should be.

[devilhunterx]

You never fail to amuse me. Keep it up mate. Here is a bubble for you.

[derseb]

the sony fanboys are not more aggressive towards gaming sites than xbots. that's BS

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

GTAIV should get 6-7 score

[Tunerboy8732]

that the 360 version has issues I have a HDD on my 360 so ill just do the optional install so it will run better.GTA games never been great when it came to framerate & pop up but its not about that its about pure gameplay most of all.

[KBDuB]

That's not true.. The only thing that matters is that one console version is better than the other.. Well, at least to the fanboys, and that one person that disagreed with you.

I on the other hand, agree with you.

[aiphanes]

but the PS3 version will be slightly better overall..

What i do not get since this game is suppose to be so epic...how did they squeeze it down to a 8.5 gig DVD9 disc? Why would they not go all out and use better textures on the PS3 version since they had the space?

Oh well, we will see...since nobody has really reviewed the PS3 version yet...

[Brixxer600]

Probably because they can't get a hold of it.

That's just sour grapes on my part, i was told today that i wouldn't be receiving GTA IV on launch for the PS3, they have only been able to supply about 20% of the store's pre-orders, this has resulted in me opting to get it on the 360, which i have had no problem in doing.

I was told that the problem was due to a lack of discs, a percentage has obviously been kept back for the PS3 bundles.

To put it into perspective the store i go to will be able to supply the game in a 5:1 ratio in the 360 favour.

I will eventually get it on PS3 butaccording to the shop's suppliers "It could take a while", whatever that means.

[Genuine]

Because the slow read speed of the ps3's BR drive completely negates the extra space on a BR disc. Developers are forced use redundant data, and mandatory installs for games to even run properly on the ps3. Blu-rays extra disc space does absolutely nothing to improve gaming on the ps3.
http://jbooth.blogspot.com/...
http://multiplayerblog.mtv....

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

Whoa! What do we have there? Two blogs, huh? That is one hell of a source!

Don't be stupid, just because devs can upgrade performance by making installs on PS3, it don't make PS3 games can't run without that... There is many PS3 games that don't have any download and runs just right. Or you can please tell me how Uncharted, the most beauty game on PS3 and arguably on all consoles 'till now, don't have any mandatory install and runs smooth?

If most devs don't know how to make it dinamic without mandatory installs or if they don't want/can't spend the time, effort and money to achieve it, well that is a problem that Sony should resolve by helping devs figure it out and making it easier (and, in fact, they are doing it, just look at how much Insomaniac have been working last quater). But this don't mean anyway that PS3 or it's BD drive can't randle it.

The big problem here is that PS3 is specific platform, it don't go that well under most standard multiplatform engines, vide Capcom or Epic engines. But if the devs don't go just pushing the cheap way, they can optimize multiplat engines and make then very functional too (like COD4), so it's no way a "PS3 can't randle" problem.

Just try getting some new argument next time please.

[Genuine]

That's right 2 blogs. One is that of a prestigious 3rd party game developer (Harmonix), and the other is that of Patrick Klepic a Ziff Davis game journalist(1up/EGM). What's the problem?

[PSWe60]

I blame everyone but myself

[Skerj]

I blame the media blamers.

[gauravraw]

Previews say that both the MP and the SP modes of the game are 'perfectly-playable' so as GTA fans, I don't think we should be giving a s**t about some technical flaws here and there in the game.

Gamers enjoyed Crysis even in less than 20 FPS so there'll be nothing which could stop us from enjoying GTA IV.

[Jamegohanssj5]

I expect things like this from and they make the game funnier and funner.

The Genius has spoken.

[shysun]

So, dose it interfere with the game play?

[Skerj]

Hah I called this so long ago, while everyone was complaining about the game being delayed.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Why does the PS3 have to screw everything up?

[Mc187]

Seriously do you really know how lame you are?

[Vulcan Raven]

Please explain. What a vague worthless comment. How has it screwed everything up in a review of the 360 version?

[Genuine]

As long as it's not "Oblivion level" pop-in and framerate drops, it won't be an issue for me.

[jordan8445]

The article clearly states that it was experienced on a 360, so what are you talking about? Thats what happens when you use 9gb discs with no HDD.

And if the PS3 suffers from this too - the 360 is to blame for both. No matter, GTA 5 won't fit on DVD9.

Thank God.

[jkhan]

Well I don't mind, if its an occasional popup or frame drop, considering the grand scale of this game.

[ion666]

All you guys is dorks.i just want a murder simulator lol

[himdeel]

Go play Assassins Creed or wait any of the GTA games...

[RealTimeWeaponChange]

These complaints are stupid. If a game DOESN'T have minor frame dips during heavy action, then that means the game is NOT pushing the hardware during regular gameplay, which would make it look a whole HELL of a lot worse 95% of the time. It's dumb, and therefore this is more than acceptable. It's normal.

[himdeel]

Well until we can get a comparison to the PS3 version relatively speaking in those heavy action areas and 360 gamers get to play the game we can't necessarily call these issues on 360 acceptable or normal.

[Trekster_Gamer]

I don't expect the PS3 to run as smooth or have less graphical glitches for 2 reasons.

1:
Ps3 Ram 256MB GDDR3 (700MHz)
360 Up to 512 MB GDDR3 system RAM (700 MHz) plus 10 MB embedded DRAM (eDRAM) frame buffer

The bandwidth is greater on the 360 as well
While the system ram is faster on the PS3
PS3 256 MB XDR RAM (3.2GHz)
360 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (700 MHz),

I think the extra memory and faster bandwidth would allow for less glitches

2:
the 2nd reason is the dev tools on the 360 are still superior to the Ps3 and it takes much longer to get close to the same results as you would get on the 360.

[Official General]

This article it seems is talking about the 360 version having pop-up and framerate issues. If you read the article closely you will see they are referring to the 360. You 360 guys have been boasting the whole time that all the previews and hands-on tests of GTA 4 being shown to the media so far have been on the 360 (which pretty much has has been the case). Now that you hear stories of a few minor graphical glitches/flaws on the 360 version you wanna now start talking sh*t about the PS3 version? Come on, cut that bullsh*t! Very very FEW gaming media outlets have played the PS3 version of GTA 4. The only ones I know of are:

IGN - Who have stated that the 360 has brighter, vibrant colours while the PS3 version has better anti-aliasing.

PSM3 - I read the GTA 4 preview of the PS3 version in the UK PSM3 magazine issue 98 (March). They stated that the pop-up had almost been eliminated, the framerate was looking good and the game seemed to run very smooth.

GAMASUTRA - They said that Take-Two stated that the PS3 version slightly comes out on top in some areas over the 360 version.

THE CAM GARISH REVIEW (the one some say is fake and some say is real) I know this might be fake, but the guy seemed like he was in line with the other previewers have said. He too said the 360 version was very bright in colour while the PS3 version looked more realistic. There is always the chance his so called "first review" might be true.

EDIT: This aint no fanboy stuff I'm writing here, these bits of information have been extracted from sources I've seen and read myself. I honestly have not made anything up before I get disagrees!

There are a couple more others I've read and seen, but I have honestly read NOTHING bad about the PS3 version so far, so dont be talking nonesense Trekker. You know this is not the first time this type of thing has been said about the 360 version. Nobody has said any of these things you say about the PS3 version, you talk like you have played it or seen it been played. Just because you heard some negative stuff about the 360 version it dont mean you should start bad-mouthing the PS3 version to make yourself feel better.

[xg-ei8ht]

Your wrong time and time again.

360 has less shader power.
360 has less processor power.
The ps3 has 512mb ram. 256mb of it runs at 3.2ghz.

As time goes on, well resistance 2 won't be long, you'll see what spu's are all about.

I'm guessing Rockstar have had a helping hand from Sony. Because the PS3 version of GTA Looks realistic and runs smooth, no slowdown at all and no popup.

You'll see.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

What's up 1UP? So much love for GTA IV before... Specially around the time we knew 360 would have downloadable content...

What's up? After getting that the DLC will not save 360's ass and PS3 has a bundle, good reviews for that game should just benefit PS3, 1UP is trying to bash or something?

I mean... WTH! GTA always have glitches and no one cares... For sure it's not a review that will change this.

And anyway, people should stop caring about this 10/10 and any review rate stuff... The best games I played last year was Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank and none of then was the highest rate on PS3 (it was COD4)... Same goes for the 360, I just loved Ace Combat and Trusty Bell (Eternal Sonata). Zack and Wiki, anyone?

[-SIXAXIS-]

I bet you that they played the 360 version. Because from the idea I get from reading the companies that previewed both versions, the PS3 has NO install, faster loading, no frame rate problems, slightly better grpahics, no pop-ins, etc.

[forget_123]

Personally i just have no interest on it at all, its like a pretty dumb and boring game to me.

- - ...

[Official General]

And your point is? How about this - generally no one here is interested in your opinion. Shall I explain why? Because everyone here is talking about GTA 4, a franchise game they all love and want to buy for their consoles. This post is for those who like GTA and want to talk about it. If it's a dumb and boring game, then you must be dumb and boring yourself to be talking about it.

[forget_123]

u said no one interested in what i am saying then why do you reply? no matter for hate or some other of ur reason, my msg does makes u want to reply me right? so that means u have response for my msg.

and why do u need to explain to me how "others" think my pts is not worth reading? did you represent everyone else? no.

well why do you say this is a post for "someone love the game to talk about" ? i dont think there is a clear sentence at the title saying (plz only post if you show love to the game) above. where do you get this feeling from?? imagination?

although i post the msg there, it doesnt mean u have to read it or u have to tell me how bad the damage my msg does to u. why cant u ignore my msg and go on? i dont like it doesnt mean u cant enjoy it as the way it is.

i mean i dont like the game cz this game doesnt show me much element that's worth digesting. it shows how u can kill plp easily, steal cars easily, beat up whoever u want and get out of control easily.

those arent my my gaming style. and i said it clearly this game looks like pretty dumb and boring to "me" in my "opinion" and what does this offense to you? and what makes u think that if i dont like this game for my own reason and then i must be dumb and boring to say it ? u know more about me than myself? you are too smart.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

This is funny, I'm going to take a stab
here and say: You are with the Mothers
of america group?, or another organization
or individual who believe that GTA type
of games are very bad for you?.

Toy guns are bad for you, yet so many allow
there toddlers to play with them, I'll join
you if you fight against Toy guns.

Video games have Ratings, Toy guns don't.

I Just had to point this out, It's not
the video game you should be worried about, It's
the bad parents.

Like me, I'll never let my kids play GTA OR Toy guns.

[Asurastrike]

Did they play it on the 360 or PS3? And if it was on 360, did they do the optional install or not?

[Official General]

The guy states in the article that he's using a 360 controller to play the game. Now some negative stuff is being said the 360 guys not boasting anymore about their version being previewed all the time in the media, funny aint it?

[xg-ei8ht]

There is no slowdown in the ps3 version, been there done that.

Because of the install. and of course cell. There is more going on in the ps3 version, this is not some fanboy rant, its the truth.

Once real reviews start coming, you'll see what i mean.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

[Domer25]

id be worried they haven't showed this so called better version yet. The 360 version is the one they let get reviewed and shown us most of. I wouldn't show the inferior version if i was Rock*. Makes no sense. Id be worried if i was a PS3 owner.

[xg-ei8ht]

I can think of 50million reasons why they are reviewing the 360 version.lmao. Can't u,lol

[sak500]

You sony jacka$$es. People always show the best product first. Thats why most multiplatform games were either released first for 360 or atleast the copies of it were sent before to the reviewers. They are delaying the ps3 version because right now its running as a powerpoint slide show and they are busy praying to GOD and hoping for a miracle to make it run like 360 version on the pos3 with its limited video ram and gimped gpu.

[DRE1970]

CHECK THIS OUT http://theexplodingbarrel.c...

[G4drake]

WELL GTA is quite famous by frame rate problems and other stuff,and it play well(for me there,s no problem)

[Trekster_Gamer]

Read the full article at IGN and you will see where you are wrong.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

[DRE1970]

THATS WHY THE PS3 COD4 HAVE SUN LIGHT AND 360 DON'T

[ktr]

Good job for posting something from 2005. You know that PS3 specs were mostly hidden during that time, and most of those numbers were made up. The actual specs came out in '06.

Read this: http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

[Mclovin96]

Think about this for a second. I cannot think of one multiplatform game that has had a worse frame-rate on the 360 compared to PS3 version. The vast majority of multiplatform games have been much better on the 360, and if not better than at least equal.

Also, considering it was the development problems with the PS3 version of the game that caused a 6 month delay, does it make any sense whatsoever that the 360 version would be worse than the PS3 version? Do you think the 360 version was just sitting on the shelf the entire time, in an unfinished state? I don't think so.

Finally, the superior hardware of the 360 plus the ease of development would indicate the 360 version will be far superior than the PS3 version. Use your brain for once, POS3 fantards, if you even have one in that thick, fat head of yours.

[Vulcan Raven]

What superior hardware? So far i have seen nothing phenomenal in regards to this supposed superior hardware.

I refer you to first party titles from each console. I would gladly put HS, R&C and Uncharted in a graphical comparison against your "superior" console. I ask you if you can comprehend the article in question. The article reviews the 360 version and states it has problems, get it through your fat head that it was the 360 version. I clearly understand that a vast majority of multi platform titles are superior on the 360, but that was not a question that arose in the article.

I'm sure the ps3 version has problems, that could be why it has not been reviewed yet, but that is not the current issue.

"plus the ease of development would indicate the 360 version will be far superior than the PS3 version." we can only wait and see. Don't start jumping to conclusions, did it ever occur to you that maybe the limitations(no hd, dvd9) of the 360 hinder the game and that is why it suffers from these problems.

[Xbox is the BEST]

the PS#3 can't push graphics like the 360. HS, R&C, Uncharted all average games with average textures. And when GTA4 comes out my room mate will be getting it for his PS#3 and I the 360, so I see for myself which system will have better graphics. And we all know that it will be the 360.

[sumfood4u]

No Pizza has ever been made purrrrfect, Pick off what U cant stand to see & move on!

[Grannyvukka]

Wasn't there a side by side review done on the game that stated the PS3 version (if installed on hard drive), eliminated these frame rate problems mostly...And the 360 sufferered worse out of the 2 versions?

[pp]

all ps3 gay's should stop crying because xbox 360 version will be the best version to get.END OFF

[jones smokey]

well this is to show no game is perfect, but i am still bying this on day one =D