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Reality Check: There’s a Strong Chance We’ll Have a PS4 and Xbox 720 A Year From Now

Kotaku
We talk to people. It's part of our job. And lately we're not hearing any big bombshells about the next generation of game consoles, but we're hearing the same buzz we've been hearing all year: the next generation of Xbox and PlayStation are right around the corner.

The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to.

wishingW3L4164d ago

we'll know for real in 5-6 months anyway.

I_LOVE_MYSELF4164d ago

I have a strong feeling that new consoles will be announced. I need them to be announced now so I can enjoy my PS3 for a couple of years and ease into next gen at a price drop. I don't want to be bored of this gen and feel the need to buy a next gen console at launch.

Y_51504164d ago

That's werid...
You say that you are bored of this generation but you can last a couple more years of this generation? Read what you post please.

I_LOVE_MYSELF4164d ago

I said I want to enjoy my PS3 for a couple more years meaning I won't be bored. If a new console isn't released by the end of those years then I will be bored. Learn to read properly, please.

ABizzel14164d ago

Kotaku trolling Sony once again. Surprise, surprise.

"The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. "

What the F()@# does PS3 and Vita have to do with Sony's or anyone's confidence in the PS4. MS and Sony are rumored to be using practically the EXACT same GPU, most likely the EXACT amount of RAM, the EXACT same media format Blu Ray, thus the only difference being the CPU in which case MS's should be the more powerful (but Kinect 2 will eat some of that power) while Sony's is better for games and graphics which is the selling point of a VIDEO GAME console.

This is beyond ignorant to me. Both companies are suppose to be using off the shelf products besides MS CPU which is why MS is the unlikely company to launch 2013 because they're supposedly having problems developing and mass manufacturing the CPU.

SONY IS BUYING OFF THE SHELF AMD-A10's. WHY IN THE HE!! WOULD THEY HAVE PROBLEMS LAUNCHING WITH OFF THE SHELF PRODUCTS.

It makes no sense. Sometimes a tiny bit of critical thinking goes a long way.

"What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to."

Of course confidence is high at MS. They want to get the Nextbox or Xbox 1080 (thanks Kotaku reader for that one) out by the end of the year, so they don't have to miss holiday sales, and they don't give Sony a head start, so they're doing everything they can to get the CPU running and into production. SOny on the other hand has nothing to worry about because AMD has all their stuff taken care of (if the AMD rumors are true).

ABizzel14164d ago (Edited 4164d ago )

Then he wraps up with:

"But is there room for both against a year-old Wii U, potential Valve-backed hardware and the generally-resurgent PC and the presumed iPad 5 and other tablets of Christmas 2013?"

Wii-U will have no effect on gamers who are looking for PS3 and Xbox exclusives, and if the PS4 and Xbox 1080 are superior to the Wii-U as the article states then HD gamers are going to pass on the Wii-U until it gets a larger enough library of core games, and a price where it's a must buy.

And as far as PC goes, that's going to hurt Xbox a lot more than it will PlayStation because, PC and Xbox share nearly 90% of the same library, where as Sony can still count on it's vast amount of exclusives to entice the PC gamers.

iPad 5 isn't going to do anything. It may cut into sales a bit just because people will choose to buy it, but GAMERS are going to buy a games console or a PC, not a iPad.

"What happens if Sony slips to 2014?"

EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. MS is more likely to slip. The only way Sony slips to 2014 is if they want to give the PS3 another full year of games, but seeing how all their big exclusives are scheduled for the first half of 2013 I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

"Through all of this, what if the impressive console-market-leading momentum that the 360 has had for two years continues... and people don't feel the need for new consoles? What if game-makers feel the need to keep making games for the 360/PS3/WiiU standard not just through 2013 but into 2014 and 2015, too?"

"Console-market-leading momentum that the 360 has had for two years continues." I'm not even going to comment on that. As for the rest, it happens all the time. Developers who can't afford to move to the next generation will continue to develop for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii-U. That's why Sony can say their console will have a 10 year life cycle. It's also why MS says they want the Xbox 360 to last for 10 years now, and it's what the Wii-U is banking on if the PS4 and Xbox 1080 turn out to be powerhouse consoles. Games will continue being made for the PS360 well into 2015 and possibly into 2016 and beyond, until budgets are lowered and tools make developing easier (although it should be easy since they're both practically PC's).

However, the big third party developers like EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Kojima Productions, Capcom, Square Enix, and more will be moving on the to PS4 and Xbox 1080, and those developers / publisher control the success of a console (along with first party). If they're not making games for your console you're not going to succeed unless you a casual gaming device like Cell Phones and Tablets.

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ritsuka6664164d ago (Edited 4164d ago )

Sony not learned anything from this generation?

If they're releasing PS4 in Autumn 2014, then they have to absolutely be praying that the new Xbox is specifically, only targeting the casual/Kinect crowd and PS4 can come out as the hardcore console gamer choice. I rally don't see how else they survive next gen.

caseh4164d ago

Uhh yeah, because the PS3 has clearly stuggled this genration hasn't it. I mean to say, if the NextBox releases Halo 5 Sony will clearly be f*cked...

/s

stage884164d ago

The PlayStation brand is stronger than ever. You must live in the USA...
I'd be more worried for Microsoft. When PSN is upgraded MS won't have any features that warrant payment for Live.

Conzul4164d ago (Edited 4164d ago )

This is quite true, unless Sony bungles and ties too many of its new features into PS+

Megaton4164d ago (Edited 4164d ago )

The PlayStation brand has never been weaker. Microsoft has spent billions to make "Xbox" the trendy console name, and now it is paying dividends.

Sony became the console king right out the gate, and then continued their dominance with their second offering, the PS2. The PS3 has been a colossal failure by comparison, trailing behind two rivals they easily crushed in the past. The console market was theirs to lose, and lose it they did.

Shaman4164d ago

"The PlayStation brand is stronger than ever"...maybe on N4G it is, but in the real world? I think you need reality check.

Thatguy-3104164d ago

@Megaton
Well if the 360 trailed the PS3 with selling 50+mill more consoles then I would have agreed with you that they fell this year but it didn't. Yes it didn't conquer like it did the past two generations but they kept up with the competition which is Microsoft so they didn't really lose. Think both consoles will release around the same time. Couple of months tops a year I doubt it.

BitbyDeath4164d ago

PS3 have sold 10 million more consoles than 360 if you start from the PS3 launching so it's not really losing.

All a matter of perspective, but that said we should stop playing numbers and just enjoy the games.

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ABizzel14164d ago

The fact of the matter is the PS3 has been outselling the Xbox 360 EVERY YEAR since 2008, hence the reason the 360's 8 million console lead is down to barely 1 million, and at a price that has always been higher than the 360.

The Nextbox is rumored to be more Powerful than the PS4 (simply because it'll need a better CPU to run Kinect 2.0), so it's likely to cost a bit more, unless MS takes a cut and use XBL to replace the loss. But if it cost more then we'll see how things go when the shoe is on the other foot and MS comes out after the PS4 (again another rumor thanks to CPU issues) and with a higher price.

hennessey864164d ago

I'm ready for the next gen consoles now

showtimefolks4164d ago

there is no strong chance let me confirm it for everyone, ps4 will be released in fall of 2013.

ms will try their best to launch same time with ps4 but from rumors you can read that they are having some issue with IBM

i say both will launch around blackfriday 2013

BitbyDeath4164d ago

PS3 games schedule for next year also proves this.

I just hope it launches worldwide at the same time (or close to)

BXbomber4164d ago

amazing....already kotaku claiming sony is doom to fail and xbox will prevail. getting tired of all the love the media gives microsoft.

ALLWRONG4164d ago (Edited 4164d ago )

There is no doom and gloom in the article, just speculation about launches. Let me guess... you must be angry over the comment about the Vita struggling, which it is.

Saigon4164d ago

If I am not mistaken this is what they said:

"The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. "

...and then he mentions the launch.

Saigon4164d ago

I thought I was the only one to notice that...

Who do they talk to when they get there information? The other sites that I have read rumors say the complete opposite. This is why I hate rumor.

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How can any Xbox studio trust Microsoft now?

For Xbox’s hugely expanded gaming division, anything that isn’t Call of Duty is now a failure, and that’s a problem

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lelo2play17h ago

Honestly, If I worked presently for Microsoft's gaming division, I would update my CV and look for work elsewhere...

Simon_the_sorcerer17h ago

I would do the same, because MS will most likely pull-off more stunts like this in the near future...

Chocoburger7h ago

"Now"?

How about "ever"?

They closed so many of their dev teams during the second half of the Xbox 360 era. Have we forgotten history so quickly?

Dummy fake journalists acting so surprised over these recent closures, when this is something that's been going on for well over a decade now with MS.

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Report Claims Xbox Is Planning More Cuts Following Studio Closures

"The sudden closure of several video-game studios at Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox division was the result of a widespread cost-cutting initiative that still isn’t finished.

This week, Xbox began offering voluntary severance agreements to producers, quality assurance testers and other staff at ZeniMax, which it purchased in 2020 for $7.5 billion, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. Others across the Xbox organization have been told that more cuts are on the way.

Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said.

Game Pass has not seen the massive growth that Xbox boss Phil Spencer may have been hoping for."

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just_looken13h ago

Sense it seems very few remember that human's were around before 2020 the next studio to close will be bethesda based no doubt on the history of.

Fallout 76
Elder scrolls online
elder scrolls blades mobile
fallout mobile
The vr versions of old games

Then you got starfield pissing out cash nothing to cover it.

I doubt tod's team or any sub team is making m$ cash they are no doubt on the chopping block for job cuts

If you can remember before 2020 even fallout 76 was made with over 4 studios.

purple10143m ago(Edited 40m ago)

pretty sure starfield coming to playstation 2024, nx gamer deep diving on the creation engine update in a recent blog, he seems to think, there is a lot of stuff developed to use on starfield for its Playstation release,

who will buy it though, ?? I think M$ has lost all good will now, after the Activision debacle, and now all these studios closing, people dont want to support them even if the game is half decent

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"Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said"

So what you're saying is...you bought all these studios and you guys can't run them.

Jesus.

Inverno14h ago

Spread thin after firing over 2000 employees a few months prior. So basically they created the problem and their solution was to just fire more people. Absolute geniuses over at Xbox, of course can we even believe this to be the reason for the closures?

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Profchaos13h ago

Leaders can't run them hire more management create new roles don't shutter entire studios cause you can't figure out how to run them.

Unless the reality is this whole consolidation thing was really an excuse for IP harvesting

anast2h ago

He's lying. They are doing it for the shareholders.

Eonjay14h ago

Reports are suggesting that Game Pass will be getting a price hike soon and that Call of Duty may not be added to the day one offering. I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated. Jim was right but I wish he wasn't because at the end of the day, its gamers, devs and other front-line workers who have to absorb the blow for Spencer and team's miscalculations.

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NotoriousWhiz13h ago

And out of the ashes something even better than Xbox will be born.

Eonjay13h ago

Honestly as long as is not a situation where the industry has to contract in order focus wealth on a few people who are already trillionaires..

Barlos8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

It's already here and it was born before Xbox was even a thing. It's called PlayStation.

Tacoboto12h ago

I think 2022 killed the Series X.

2021 was a good year for Xbox though and maybe the best in a long long time, hardware and software and as a publisher. Halo Infinite launched to popularity, Forza Horizon 5 blew everyone away, Psychonauts 2 was so well received, Flight Simulator on console, Deathloop even on PS5 & PC.

But they followed that up with next to nothing. Then 2023 with Redfall, a disappointing Forza, Starfield, and 2024 leads with closures and layoffs. And some tweets reminding us Hellblade is days away.

The only disappointment with the PS5 is not enough Sony games. Xbox followed up no games with disappointing ones.

Scissorman14h ago

For all the armchair executives who were calling for Sony to release its big-budget AAA games on PS+, the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation. Game Pass has killed Xbox. Congrats.

shinoff218314h ago

There's not many of of us clamoring for Sony to do this because most of us understand it would kill Playstation. I'm sure there's a few but I've not seen alot of it myself.

porkChop2h ago

"the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation"

But the same thing *has* been happening at PS. They've closed, what, 3 or 4 studios so far this gen? Laid off plenty of staff, restructured studios, etc.

BehindTheRows1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

PlayStation isn’t struggling. Xbox is. That’s the difference.

Sony also didn’t buy out multiple publishers with LOTS of studios and leave them in a state of uncertainty.

So, he’s absolutely right that Sony not following Game Pass in its entirety was smart as this very thing could have happened. Name a team, like Tango, who wasn’t struggling (like Tango) that Sony closed. Every closure was because of a studio who wasn’t pulling their weight.

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Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024

Twisted Voxel writes: "We've almost reached the end of the 1st half of 2024, and Xbox has had more studio closures than first party game releases in the year so far."

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KicksnSnares1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Hellblade 2, Indiana Jones, Avowed, Towerborne, and Call of Duty are still to be released this year. Marcus Fenix collection to be added to the list with the Xbox showcase, hopefully.

anast1d 2h ago

Those are all coming to PS5 too.

Tech521h ago

"Xbox Has Had More Studio Closures Than First Party Game Releases So Far In 2024"

they kept the IPs though. they'll be making them under the MS brand i'm guessing. like minecraft all those years ago.

solideagle1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

the keyword is so Far...

on topic: Ouch!

Hedstrom23h ago

Kinda missing the forest for all the trees statement!

shinoff218323h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Bet all those don't make it though this year

romulus2322h ago(Edited 22h ago)

If we're going to talk in "still to be's" there still could be more studio closures from Microsoft this year as well.

DOMination-19h ago

How much confidence do people have in these games being good though? I hope they will be (especially Avowed) but from what we know of them so far, it's hardly a guarantee, is it?

And even if they do turn out to be good, how much of that will be down to Xbox and its leadership? Most of these games were either sequels to games made before being acquired or started development before being acquired.

And just a note on Hellblade II - it is out in two weeks and unless I'm missing something, I don't see much in the way of previews or advertising from Microsoft. Not ideal for a niche game that looks like it probably cost a lot of money to make. It genuinely feels like another game being sent out to die and then have the studio shut down.

Elda18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

To me...Avowed graphics look cheap, the game looks generic as well as boring.

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anast1d 2h ago

Popcorn is good. Anyone want some?

anast22h ago

I wouldn't mind a caramel and cinnamon mix actually.

dumahim21h ago

That does sound good. I have trouble just finding caramel corn.

anast17h ago

I find it interesting that people have to resort to praising how they were randomly born in a certain location to say they're not weird. But, I'm not sure this kind of stupidity can be generalized over an entire group of people, at least, I'm being optimistic here.

Eonjay1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

Sony doesn't have to bother fighting the next Microsoft acquisition. The massive layoff by themselves should be enough to get the next big buy blocked.

Hofstaderman1d ago

Vindicates Jim Ryan. Don't know who didnt see this coming except those frothing pro acquisition fanboys who are not commenting here for some reason....

Tacoboto23h ago

What did happen to Obscure?

Tody_ZA23h ago

Obscure is working on his thesis on how to spin this.

Elda23h ago

Exactly. Where is the mayor & spokesperson of XB?

badz14922h ago

Obsecure where are you? Don't tell us Phil fired you too

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MatrixxGT21h ago

Let’s not pretend Sony is setting the world on fire with its first party either….it’s been crickets from them as well. In fact they even said not to expect any at all this year.
MS is a dumpster fire and Sony isn’t fighting anymore and it shows. I fail to see how this is a good thing.

Skuletor16h ago

Wasn't it no new existing IP entries? That would still leave room for new IPs, maybe we'll see one or more of those this year.

Sonic188121h ago

I was actually thinking about that. You beat me to it

MrDead1d 1h ago

So if MS hadn't spent $80 billion consolidating the industry just think of all the games and jobs that would have saved.

MS is a drain on gaming and have been nothing but a negative.

MrCrimson23h ago

not exactly like the studios were putting out good games anyway. Industry needs to restart from the ground up; if games like battlebit or manor lords can be made by teams with 10 people - then there's something fundamentally wrong with having 500 man teams put out glitchy overmonetized crap.

shinoff218323h ago

Interesting. Prey was a good game, evil within was dope, and hi fi was the best Xbox game that Xbox has had in so many years. That's according to the base.

romulus2322h ago

HiFi Rush was a really good game actually so that's hardly the reason for shutting down Tango.

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