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Confidential Xbox 360 "RROD" Source Responds

Here is their response:

"Hi everyone. I understand the questions you all have. I hope you understand that it's a bit overwhelming to try and answer everything in real time. After tonight, I'm going to ask Jake (or Jacob?) to field your questions and funnel them to me for answers. Then we can do that in an organized way. But for now, I'm going to try and answer some that I thought were most important."

First, why the secrecy?

"MS knows who I am. That's why I'm not concerned about self identifying to them in these postings with details only they would know, as some here have pointed out. The people who founded Xbox hw number 10. 1 left to go be the VP of manufacturing at Qualcomm, 1 left to go be the GM of engineering at Zune, 1 left after only 2 months in '99 due to conflicts with toddhol. He works on Surface now. The rest still work on Xbox. I am the only one who left the company entirely."

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gamesR4fun5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

makes a lot of sense but I dont buy his whole I came out so late reason...

edit feels more like a disgruntled employee imo
Still i think hes painting a very accurate picture of what happened with the 360.

edit2 at the fanbois reporting this article stfu
plenty of stories have been published here from this source just cause it sheds a little light on the screw up m$ called the 360 doesnt mean its not news... Hell if this was dirt on the ps3 form a two bit web blog you'd be jumping over each other to approve it.

edit3 oops sorry DeltaP42 & Jdash24 you dont seem like total fanbois (just read some of your comments) still dont think its lame tho it might be fake sure but we've seen a lot less legitimate stories here. Fact is we all know it could very well be true. Besides you cant deny this guy sounds like he knows what hes talking about. So why report it?

edit4 all out of bubbles :( and the ignore counts going up lol
How about a little luv from some of the real gamers? Bubble me pls.

bizi64985941d ago

we've had way too much patience with pathologic denial in this country.

DJ5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

It shows EXACTLY what went wrong with the Engineering Team in the Xbox Division, as well as upper management, and why the 360 was pushed ahead in spite of (what we now know) as blatant signs that the hardware wasn't ready.

What's even more surprising is that Microsoft is working on even more hardware, including Personal Computers (something a few N4G contributors and myself predicted a while back). Of course, it would bring up a dilemma of not making any clean-cut revenue for their OS and Office Suite for that particular hardware, but they would have full control over both the hardware and software within that package. I'm kind of hoping that Apple, not Microsoft, wins this strategy, mainly because Apple makes great hardware and great software; Microsoft doesn't seem to be particularly gifted in either area.

I'm also hopeful that Microsoft puts greater emphasis in proper staffing and smarter decisions.

nicholascage245941d ago

in 2 years.

damn what are they doing exactly?

shelbygt335941d ago

Okay, so I have no idea if this is a real story or just a gimmick, but the one thing that gets me is this:

From the article: Plus, I have contacted every single attorney who has filed a lawsuit against MS and offered to help. Some have accepted, and that work is in progress.We'll talk about that in another post.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that if there is "work in progress" with any lawsuits, that this person is able and willing to speak about them. I'm a little wary just because of that right there.

MattFoley5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

I use a MS made PC at school so they are already in production.

2.2 would you fix something that people are still buying even though they know the failure rates.

LastDance5941d ago

I agree....If the matters in a court process.. Although he didn't say anything directly, It could become a mistrail if Lawyers found out.

Or he could just be stupid? who knows.. But that is a bit iffy.

VirusE5940d ago

Don’t kid your about apple. They are a tyrant of a company that screws over loyal fans all the time. I bought a dual 866 g4 the day it came out and it had to be replaced with a new g4 4 times. The battery in the ipod is not user serviceable, an x1900 for a g5 cost more than an 8800gt for a pc and the list just goes on and on. Macs are for people who 1. Prefer form over function 2. Are computer illiterate/know nothing about computers 3. Have more money than brains 4. They are enough of sheep to believe what apple tells them and 5. are easily swayed by crafty marketing. Look at the whole 32x pci-e scandal that is going on now. They sell macs as upgradeable but now are locking them down so you can’t upgrade them. Oh yeah and FOR GOD SAKES THEY USE FB-DIMMS!! Name another 5000 dollar home computing device that comes with a 256 meg ati 2600xt? You could buy an alienware monster for that cash. Lets not even get into what you could build on your own for 5 grand.

Rubbish, pure over priced rubbish.

Kleptic5940d ago

VirusE...totally agree with you...

the PC vs. Mac debate has some really strange points that can be directly compared to the console market...and it leaves a very big question of "why did MS do that?"...

Windows, as an OS, has what?...like a 95% grip still on the market?...that is almost total domination...and that doesn't end with PC consumers...that is global business wide...Macs have had to implement software sharing procedures to get their own machines to run programs that people simply can't live without...

windows succeeded for a number of reasons...but the biggest was in choice...it was easy to make software for...it was easily manipulated...machines running the software were able to be upgraded with 3rd party peripherals and hardware...keeping a huge amount of competition in a market that MS completed owned...

Apple does the opposite...they tailor to a bunch of ignorant art students whom are still convinced that their iBook is better at viewing pictures than a PC (of which has thousands of free software downloads to do way more than what OS "n" will allow on its own)...factor in what you have to do to upgrade one of those things, and it is very obvious as to why they have basically not one measurable amount of the market...

and it doesn't stop there...mac users constantly praised how "safe" the OS is...commenting on how spyware and viruses have no effect on a Mac...while that is true, that is not a strength of the Mac...that is simply that adware creators aren't interested in addressing the 27 people that own a mac...they are more interested in the billions that use windows...its not that its a better OS...its that its an OS that nobody uses...

now transfer over everything MS has learned in this regard...how they have constantly held that market for over 20 years...and put it towards their Xbox line...and it would seem they learned nothing...

the PS3 behaves more like a PC running windows than the 360 does...the PS3 allows all kind of 3rd party accessories...has options for different OS installs...doesn't force overpriced proprietary HDDs on the user for upgrades...has an open online service, with a built in browser for distributing media in a number of different ways, of which is worth noting does not cost you a dime over your already expensive broadband connection...

the xbox line does more or less exactly what Mac does...and saying "well they want to make money" doesn't hold much weight either, because last I checked they hadn't made enough to buy the office a bucket of KFC...

In either case...expect some changes with MS and their stance on home entertainment...they still have a stranglehold on the business market...but with PC gaming wallowing in a slow and painful death, and very public problems with their biggest piece of released hardware...maybe the next Xbox will answer all of this

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Anego Montoya FTMFW5941d ago

trying to STOP this story.

shame on you.

Anego Montoya FTMFW5941d ago

i`m NOT afraid to APPROVE any ANTI SONY news.

why?

because i B3LI3V3.

CRIMS0N_W0LF5941d ago

Fake: (9 minutes ago)
Self explanatory, ...FAKE!!
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it can be a fake history, if y9ou wanted to post it please place it as rumor becaus ethe source can be my brother (?)
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utter garbage
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How does a someone who left the company know what the details are about _CURRENT_ rates of heat-failure? 8bitjoystick.com is gaming N4G for traffic.
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gamesR4fun5941d ago

wow @ the bots spamming the report button
I understand you love your box but suppressing the news wont help anyone.

power of Green 5941d ago

Fake fke fake idiot... Somebody told me Sony's going to leave the console market he use to work for Sony and he's got this exclusive info but he doesn't want to say who he is.

gamesR4fun5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

shut up already
look real gamers are ok to let the facts speak for themselves but no you guys got to keep spamming this site with your nazi like pro M$ goon squad.
Fact is this is news its off a repudible site and while were not saying this guy is or isnt 100% legit the fact is it was published. What Im guessing has your collective green panties in a knot is the fact if its not 100% true its as close as well ever get. To the truth as to why the 360 wasn't properly made. I mean we all know it rrods heck I dont personally know a 360 owner who hasnt seen rrod at least anyones whos had it for a year or more. Myself included.

antoinetm5941d ago

power of green : so u trust this guy but you expect to convince us that your source is more credible.

anyways that guy didn't say anything that was worth mentioning.
Except that he should sue nintendo.

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Boffin5941d ago

This is obviously a Sony employee trying to make the xbox look bad. I've never seen a RROD in person, who knows if they even exist?

bohemian 235941d ago

I think it's a neo geo employee undercover as an Atari employee secretly disguised as a microsoft employee.

Anego Montoya FTMFW5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

between me and a few friends(5), we`ve had 16 360`s returned.

so, STFU.

BardockS30Z5941d ago

the demo 360 at work RRoD. several of my friends's 360s RRoDed several customers 360s RRoD. I feel bad for all of them. Sure they can send it in to microsoft for repair but would u really want to. One of my friends has sent his in 4 times. Maybe its cause he uses it alot. Yet he still claims 360 is superior in all aspects. Sighzorz

DJ5941d ago

Most of them are my brother's friends, since they all invested in 360s. One dude's been really lucky though; he has a launch unit, and it still works (much like the person being interviewed). My group of friends are primarily Wii/PS3 owners.

crck5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

4 out of 5 have red-ringed. Its funny how some fanboys are still trying to deny it.

Rice5941d ago

lol, i saw a 360 in Walmart with a RROD.

antoinetm5941d ago

time to move on ?

may i suggest the ps3 :)

Iron Man 25941d ago

Do not believe this guy,as he has be hypnotized by the RROD,it's too late for him now:'(

KillaManiac5941d ago

Both Gamestop store's 360 ive worked at have RROD'd and of the 4 people who I personally (talk/hang out every week) know have ALL RROD'd (atm 3 people just 1, and 1 person sent it 2 times).

Chug5941d ago (Edited 5941d ago )

I've personally had 2 RROD's since launch. Can't say that I know anybody else thats had hardware failure.....AND THATS BECAUSE ALL MY FRIENDS HAVE PS3'S!!!!!

Edit: Why is it that "Bots" are constantly defending MS and the 360's major defect rates? I understand that you guys love your console, but to accept and defend this BS is just crazy. As a consumer, you should be fighting back, not supporting this crap.

SHEEP, YOU'RE ALL SHEEP!! BAAAAAA!! BAAA!!!!

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Pacific Rim Pinball comes to Pinball FX

This could be fun as they make great tables. Go big or go extinct. Prime your senses for a neural handshake and step into the cockpit of a Jaeger. It is on you to cancel the apocalypse when Pacific Rim Pinball comes to Pinball FX on May 16.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv722d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1d 18h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18811d 15h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1d 14h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning771d 10h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga1d 17h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv721d 3h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer199222h ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21831d 16h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga1d 15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan1d 11h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit1d 4h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus231d 10h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv721d 10h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier22h ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan14h ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1011d 20h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos1d 19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1d 9h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac1d 19h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011d 18h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic1d 16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1d 9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein2d ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno2d ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k42d ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson1d 23h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu2d ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson1d 23h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -