The PS3 rendering architecture explained

Originally Posted by LADev

"The PS3 rendering architecture is designed to be used like this:

The PPE functions as a controller for the entire system.

The SPEs function as the heavy lifters for game logic, physics, and dynamic vertex work. They also are used for some pixel work.
(I've been saying the exact same thing folks)

The RSX functions as the main pixel painter, but it is also used for static geometry.

A PS3 engine will start off with the PPE spawning off tasks to the SPEs and acting as the central control point for the engine. Static geometry is put onto the RSX. PPEs start cranking through tasks in parallel, usually setup to double buffer the data they operate on. A SPE will have its code uploaded, then it starts a DMA fetch for its initial data into to one half its local memory, and then it starts ping ponging back and forth: work through one half the local memory while the second half is being DMAed in, then swap. Ideally you have it setup so that you are effectively hiding almost all of your data loading latencies with the double buffer setup and chaining SPEs together where you do animation, deformation, physics, transformation, lighting all going on in parallel.

The heavy vertex work being done, that data is then sent off to the RSX to be rasterized along with the resident static vertex data. So in effect the PS3's Cell RSX combo is one giant unified rendering system. Depending on the nature of your game, your division of labor between the RSX and Cell will be different. It is entirely possible to do all vertex work on Cell or none. And the same for pixel painting.

What the design of the PS3's rendering architecture brings to developers is the unification of your physics, collision, dynamics, and geometry. On systems like desktop pcs or the 360 you have a division between your geometric data and collision/physics data with each of them sitting in GPU and CPU space respectively. The latest Factor 5 interview talks in general about this design of the PS3 and the Lair engine.

The RSX does exactly what it was designed to do, have the pixel painting power to handle 1080p output. The extra vertex power is a nice addition. The RSX in isolation is not very interesting to talk about. Or is a comparison to standard desktop graphics cards or the Xenos."

[TriggerHappy]

RSX specs are in and Teamxbox and Ps3forums ( BIGGEST GAMING) rivals are at it again. Extreme fanboyism and facts.

[snoop_dizzle]

here comes another flame war! :(

[gta_cb]

hmmm you seem to be right lol
but then again if you was a fanboy and an article like this came up then wouldnt you expect yourself to want to go deffend your console?
im not defending fanboys just kinda saying yeh duh! (about the flamewar coming) lol =)

[gta_cb]

also just want to say that i havnt read past your comment as there are 62 comments so far ... (prob more now) and there isnt much chance of having a decent convo so... cya in another thread =) lol

[rusgreim]

Your assumption is based on the idea that the PS3's graphics are better, and thus far, head to head titles prove otherwise.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[TriggerHappy]

nice song, lol, will definately sell if published, almost every "FANBOY" like you would get a copy

[trane07]

Doing just fine.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

[tehcellownu]

wrong..Every single multiplatform looks the same..The only game so far that showed a crappy port was ubisoft fear..even oblvion on the ps3 runs and look better then xbox360 version..also the games that xbots got that is really great lookin is only gear of wars nothin else..and how long you guys waited for it? one year..if you really want to compare wait till mgs4 and final fantasy viii comes out..and what i dont get is that a lot of devlopers came out and say the ps3 is more powerful but xbots continue to ignore it.

[ITR]

Flame War waiting to happen..

[kdawg222]

This was posted by a developer, because of this i think is important that it was posted. But this is a good question though, if the xenos or however the hell you spell is so powerful, why does the ps3's gfx look better ?

[JsonHenry]

I really (HONESTLY!!) do not see where the PS3 looks better in any game that is mutliplatform. Not a single one. Show me some screens to prove me wrong, please.

[TriggerHappy]

This is not just a forum post, and as kdawg222 stated, if you read that, you would know that it was posted by a Developer,

[WilliamRLBaker]

because the posters nick was ladev.....im pretty sure i could make a nick called montdev and post some stuff too.

[THC PRITCHARD]

Still GTA fits LOL

[Black Republican]

stupid-title says it all

ps3 gfx better???
alot of ppl will say the oppisite
this is just someones aopinion and backing it up - like most things
no facts

[Cartesian3D]

alot of ppl, doesnt mean FACT.. as I said before RSX is far more powerfull in pixelshader, and lower power in vertex shading compare to Xenos.. becuz Xenos hasnt CELL for that kind of process..

all xbox fanboys want ot believe their machine is more powerful but Im sorry guys.. it isnt.. its just easy to code , and EPIC games said they optimize GeOW in every aspect to push 360 to the limits.

so dont expect so much difference in coming titles.. (anyway GeOW was amazing and its graphic will satisfy ppl for long time.. )

[jp 117]

after that statement they turned around and said that gears two will look way better .you need to do your research before you post

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Who told u GTA fits...

[trane07]

Here we go with another long ass ignorant ass flame battle that will jumpstart and consist of over 100 comments.

[THC PRITCHARD]

on blu ray it dose

[Vip3r]

Who cares which one is better? I'm not going to go out and buy a 360 just because a bunch of fanboys think one game looks better for it than the PS3.

[trane07]

NO one should. GO WITH WHAT SUITS YOU BEST!!! ALL THAT FLAME WAR AND ALL THAT FIGHTING ISNT EVEN WORTH IT.

[Hayabusa 117]

If the Xenons are so powerfull, then why do PS3 graphics look better? Maybe it's because they DON'T. Can anyone show me a running PS3 game that looks better than anything on the 360?

[ThaGeNeCySt]

one may make an argument with Motorstorm

[TriggerHappy]

one may counter with Dirt but is multiplatform so no one looses out.

[Black Republican]

fanboys can lol

but ppl who arent brainwashed by sony or ms can show you games that look better on x360 and can also show you games that look better on ps3

[Hayabusa 117]

I've played Motorstorm, and yes, it looks good, but not any form of leap over anything on the 360.

Dirt, as you said, is multiplatform, so I don't know why you mentioned it.

And one may counter with Gears of War...

Both console in my opinion look just as good. PS3 seems to have smoother geometry, but 360 seems to have more detail. That's from what I've seem anyway.

[Marceles]

...it's just up to the developers to unlock it, like Epic finally did on Gears of War for 360. But you see Oblivion came out on the 360 and the PS3 and the PS3 edged over the 360, but they also had a year to rework the graphics on it. No system has better graphics than the other for now, it's just some developers can make games look alot better than others. Let's wait for Unreal Tournament to come out, then we can start the flaming again lol...

[Black Republican]

unreal tournament is on both consoles - i dont think that will be a good game to compare

i think the real games to compare are exclusives
example: gears of war vs. rs:fom

and this year we have a lot of exclusives to compare between ps3 and x360
: )

[Marceles]

Epic hasn't come out with a game for the PS3 yet, so everyone who throws Gears of War in the PS3's face must also think the PS3 can't handle a game like that, so we'll just wait for Unreal Tournament to come out. But I agree with you also with the exclusives :).

[techie]

Both ahve great gfx showing. But so far...AF seem to be on PS3 titles. 360 titles with 4xaa? Name me some.

[kewlkat007]

Bring on them Head to Head titles. As of now it descredits this article.

Notice I said "as of Now", so what are they comparing?

I think this is based on the numbers, and the jibber jabber jargon, hoping that one day the potentials will be realized. Wait people, just wait. As of now we do know some things.

[Armyless]

yep

[ItsDubC]

We all know the Mack truck has a more powerful engine, so why does the Honda Civic accelerate faster?

Point being: Graphical quality isn't determined solely by Mhz or whichever single metric you choose to define how "powerful" a GPU is. Each system has its own strengths/weaknesses, and rendering capability is no exception. It's like comparing apples to oranges just because both were shoved down your throat by your parents when you were a kid at one point or another. Or did that only happen to me? ;-)

[cartman313]

Because a Mack truck weighs about 10k+ lbs? What a stupid comparison. Lets see that Honda Civic take off when it's carrying 80,000 lbs...That's right, it can't do it!

[ItsDubC]

Ya, and both vehicles can get you to a destination in the end, just as both consoles can render graphics in the end. Don't feel too bad that the metaphor went straight over your head, you'll get one eventually.

[Armyless]

They're experts in that after all.

[weekapaugh]

each system is going to spit out what its given. Look at Motorstorm and Gears of War and we can see what each console is capable of.

[techie]

and funny thing is Motorstorm doesn't use Cell or Spu's for what this forum is saying. Motorstorm uses RSX for all it's GFX...cell is just for physics.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Reality---> http://www.gametrailers.com... The PS3 has not shown one single (correction oblivion) game that matches what the 360 can do. Here is a good Idea why don't you Sony fans go to the bathroom, splash some cold water on your face and wake up.

Here are 8 reasons why the PS3 is truly worse and its not counting F.E.A.R. and Splinter Cell DA
http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

Its in a forum could have been posted by anyone, not hard to make a name with dev in it.

Here is some more reality for ya
http://video.google.com/vid...
http://video.yahoo.com/vide...
http://youtube.com/results?... I thought the PS3s didn't break, hmm guess you were all wrong. Each one of these links open up to hundreds of other pages with broke PS3s. Now Imagine those who didn't post videos? Things that make you go hmm.

Anego Montoya "you found 1 ps3 that broke"
Maybe you should actually click on the links, you will find that they open up to many many pages of broken PS3s.

SmokeyMcBearc congrats you found one.

Cartesian3D Are you throwing a Temper Tantrum? Need a binkie?

[SmokeyMcBear]

oblivion

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

i guess no game matchs the 360.
have you seen Heavenly Sword?
and you found 1 ps3 that broke.
2 of my 360 have..

and for daydreams,there`s a 50% chance you`ll be doing alot of that when your 360 becomes a paper weight.

@jason (above)
i would never click on your video comment.
i never would want to see what you actually look like.
sorry.

dude, w/ some of the sh!t you say i swear you work for MS.

[Cartesian3D]

those are crap proting, cuz of STUPID and LAZY developers.. look at Oblivian engine , they said their engine is flexible to fit in every device well.. and they have
SAME TIME ,
SAME TIME ,
SAME TIME to develope for Ps3 and make it better with FASTER loading..

and to Jumpman23 : r u serious ? u compare R:FoM to gears?? .. FoM was a lunch title.. wait till E3 and compare Killzone to GeOW..

[dominusbellum]

your argument is flawed b/c when that happens if killzone looks better 360 guys are going to say "well geow is old just wait till geow2" ya know?

[jeanm3306]

one ps3 that broke wow such a big argument. compare to thousand of 360. maybe your drunk or something.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Forza Motorsport looks sh!te compared to GTHD, MGS4 and FFIIIX cant be done on 360 and GTA4 is being held back due to this crappy hardware. Just admit you made a bad console choice and move on.

[Xi]

actually all 3 can be done. Kojima said mgs can be done on the 360 when it was being developed, the only limit was him using uncompressed data so there would be about 3 discs for the game on the 360. The white engine is opensouce and Hironobu Sakaguchi said that the white engine can run easily on the 360.

[gta_cb]

omg! canon is at it again!
why do you come on here? why do you post CR@P all the time?!
WHY?!

[darkdoom3000]

""actually all 3 can be done. Kojima said mgs can be done on the 360 when it was being developed, the only limit was him using uncompressed data so there would be about 3 discs for the game on the 360. The white engine is opensouce and Hironobu Sakaguchi said that the white engine can run easily on the 360.""

yeah you really want MGS3 in a diffrent shell?

anyway its probally like GTA4...no planes, no custimisation, no spare places, hopefully they can revive the lost in the Ps3 version, Disk changing is a bad deal for a free roam:

hop in a plane: please change to disk 2: hop outta plane: please insert disk 1.....suck..

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Ps3 forums...are you freakin serious.

[23478ueyur_938223]

TeamXbox forums...are you freakin serious...

http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

Edit: I'm glad that the posters in both TeamXbox/PS forums are generally handling the situation truthfully and without palpable fanboyism. Good posts on both sites.

[JIN KAZAMA]

getting Lame.

[Leathersoup]

Agreed :(

[cdawson]

so then why do all multi platform games look better on the 360...hmmmm.....It's nice to compare the two but rather than ignore facts they should do some research.
Wouldn't it be nice to actually read an article about this from someone with a neutral position?

[jeanm3306]

the reason is because its a port. they don't put anough effort like an exclusive game. when the game is exclusive they can tap into the true power of each console. I'm sure if epic did an exclusive game for the ps3 it would look similar to GOW or even better.

[Raist]

Depends what you call graphical power. If you restrict it to pretty polish, then the 360 is on top at the moment (altho titles like Motorstorm are very impressive in this department).

If you take into account draw distance and geometry, then the PS3 is far more advance. Look at the scale and details of games like RFoM or Lair. didn't see any game approaching that level on the 360. Because the Cell help a LOT for that.

[SmokeyMcBear]

haha amen.. i like how every 360 game is over the top with colors and has this weird shiny glow to every surface

[TheMART]

"We all know the "xenon" is a more powerful GPU, so why do PS3 gfx look better?"

Well, the first half of your title was the truth, the second cleary a wish.

The best game with best graphics out there is cleary Gears of War and on which console is that title? Right, the 360.

All the multiplatformgames look best on 360, except Oblivion that looks a tad better on the PS3, but with one year extra development time that doesn't surprise me

@ poster below

"anyway Oblivion looks better? doesnt it?"

A tad. Like almost not to notice. Plus, nope they didn't had the same amount of time on the game, they had more on the PS3. Plus: that doesn't mean the other games are bad ports. All PS3 games have the problem to be washed out in colours.

Again: which console has the best looking game around? Right. the 360 with Gears of War that's why the second half of this title is wrong in the first place, plus if you agree only Oblivion looks a tad better and the rest is worse on the PS3, then PS3 gfx overal don't look better.

Thanks for proving my point!

[Cartesian3D]

with 1 or 120 year more developing time Oblivion looks better...

it means other portings are just crap.. and they must be better if developers put alittle more time on it..

and its not true about time... they have nearly same time to develope ..

[Raist]

Gears has stunning graphics yeah. If you restrict yourself to the foreground. The backgrounds look blurry as hell (so does Too Human, blame the UE3 engine) and in terms of draw distance orstuff running onscreen at the same time, it's NOWHERE close to RFoM.

[iceice123]

Two lemmings disagreed with Mart even though he speaks the truth, idiots.

[SmokeyMcBear]

baaaaaa.....baaaaaaa

[XxZxX]

If one can't differentiate truth and opinion, you can safely classified that person as mentality impaired.

[xfrgtr]

Take a look at the source The mart,youre just so stupid to believe this FORUM.TEAMXBOX.COM
UNREAL TOURNAMENT is using the same engine than gow and is running on ps3,Motorstorm has the best grafics and use only the GPU,Oblivion much better than the xbox one,LAIR is a beauty,GT HD is close to perfection,forza 2 looks like plastic and cartoonish,

[solidt12]

I own both systems and the PS3 out shines the 360.

[sak500]

Whats making it shine? The casing? Anyway what games or demos are you currently playing on your PS3? Anything matching what we 360 owners had been playing for last year and a half like Gears, Lost planet, PGR3, GRAW 1/2, N3, TDU, Crackdown, Just cause, Saint's Row and many more which have given us months of gaming nirvana. Come on be serious and tell us other than Motorstorm and RFOM which game is so exceptional on ps3?

[nice_cuppa]

usage goes 360....pc....ps3....wii !

and if you played gears and saw the krill in the sky,
the emulsion caves and the train attack you wouldnt even be questioning the best games right now !

ps3 may 1 day pump out more than 360 but its not now !

i expect this gen to be even between ps3 and 360 with 360 getting more share due to larger game variety and cheaper price !

i love my ps3 but i remember the t-rex and the bouncer in game (sony wish) pics and the killzone and motorstorm vids !

sony has fed me too much bs to believe what they say !

i believe what they do and what i play and so far 360 is giving ps3 a kicking !

in the future who knows !
games that look better than gears will come on both systems !

all i know is im glad i can afford both !

[Xi]

You wont see games much better on either system. They're the pretty much the same strength. This bull about which looks better is a lie, if either console was stronger then it would've been proven by now. Just like when the original xbox was released it blew away the ps2 from day one, if the ps3 really was stronger it would've shown by now.

[Premonition]

Both arent the same, you arent a dev so you cant tell a dev he cant push a hardware stronger than the other, and first it took a while for xbox games to out do PS2 games, and it took a while for PS2 to show its true graphics, now to say "o if they were both different you would have seen it by now". There is no now its always later devs usually take 2-3 years to show a system true potential. And what people dont seem to not understand is orignally the Cell was suppose to be the CPU and GPU for the PS3, sony didnt go through with it all the way but the Cell can still be used to do graphics, and then you have the 7900 GPU in the PS3, so basically to make it nice and simple PS3 really has 2 GPU's 1 weak but good enough to render things and not look last gen then you have the powerful GPU which is the RSX. What the cell cant do in graphics the RSX can and what the RSX cant do the Cell can. So you do the math and tell me what you truelly see here. And if the Xeon is so powerfull why are we still today seeing games with screen tearing, beautiful games such as Bioshock and Too Human.

[Xi]

because I am taking courses at the university of calgary in game development and computer science. I pretty sure I know a thing or 2 about hardware since my first year was nothing but OOP and computer hardware. Unlike you I know what a ALU is, the different between stack and x86 cpu architecture. So yeah, I know a thing or too about development of games.

Second of all, beta kits for both the ps3 and xbox 360 were released at the same time, remember that the ps3 was supposed to release with the 360 but had it's dates pushed back. Development for a game like rfom and gow started at the same time.

third, the xenos, is finally being caught upto in the graphical area, the r600 chipset for ati is based on the xenos. The gpu in the 360 can handle dx10 effects, something that the ps3 can't do. If the ps3 is stronger why can't it do the same effects.

and yes, from the start xbox games looked better than ps2 games, DOA was the best looking game to date, with halo being another very good looking title. Games like ninja gaiden for the xbox still trump anything released on the ps2 including GOW2. Ports on the xbox were also sharper and better looking than the ps2 counterparts. I would know, I own both systems.

Finally, if you really think that games will look better on the ps3 then you're delusional. Almost all third party support are using the 360 as the base of their development, which means much of what will end up on the ps3 is going to be a port. Though the cpu in the ps3 is very nice, you also have to remember that most of the graphics you see on screen come from the gpu, and though an spe can help with rsx, the xenos is still stronger.

[FadeToBlack]

Exactly which PS3 game has looked better than some of the top xbox 360 games to date? I would much appreciate the answer along with some evidence?

[MetalProxy]

give it time(just like the 360), there will be more evidence than you can handle.

[anh_duong]

this was actually originally posted in an xbox forum so didn't come from the ps3forum.

i actually own a ps3 and right now i think there is little to choose between the two consoles. for the future i do think that having the blu-ray and hd is an advantage - almost as much as having the cells assist the gpu. for example, when more developers start using the cell in combination with hd streaming - which can require loads of storage as well as hard disk caching facilities you should really see the ps3 come into its own.

but this is just my view and i could be wrong. if i am wrong i will buy an xbox. no biggie.

[CG]

Im no expert on this, but i do know that the 360 has a more powerful GPU and more memory availabe for graphics, especaily with the EDRAM!!!!!

More memory + more powerful GPU + EDRAM = Superior graphics to the PS3

It doesnt take a genius to see that the 360 has clearly got better graphics capability its just upto the developers to take advantage of it.

To the sonyfanboys:- When sony can release a game that can match or surpass gears of war for graphics on the 360 then you can brag...but until we see that day ya'll need to STFU!!

[anh_duong]

you should read the article though before you comment since the article does make a point of the fact that the xbox has a better gpu but it also goes on to say... hmm.. why don't you read it.

[Marceles]

how many times do I have to say it's the developer? They could bring Gears of War to the PS3 just like they could bring GT HD to Xbox since Forza 2's car models look like Hot Wheels compared to Gran Turismo...nothing is really superior, xbox just had Epic make a cool looking game for them. Unreal Tournament is coming out for PS3 and 360 with the same graphics as Gears of War. Epic can make a game look dope on the Wii if they felt like it..

[dominusbellum]

hey i remember this argument back in elementary school this guy said his dad could beat up mine and i iwas all like yeah right my dad is older and then he was all like my dad can show more characters on screen. . . . .

[ItsDubC]

ROFLMAO

Thx for the laugh dude.

[LoveHateTragedy]

So here's the truth about RSX. It's heavily skewed towards Pixel Shading, but it's also no slouch in Vertex functions. In fact, it has the largest amount of Vertex and Lighting/Transformation cache of any GPU on the market (except the 8800, which it equals in that respect), and exactly twice as much as Xenos has. If you're wondering why PS3 titles have significantly higher polygon counts than PC and Xbox 360 titles, this is the main reason why.

Unfortunately, pushing the Vertex Shaders creates overhead for the Pixel Shaders, which is why the concept of SPU assistance came up. PS3 was designed to do this from the start, but it's such a radical idea that very few developers have even implemented it yet. The RSX chip itself is not "innovative"; Xenos wins that title. However, the RSX has years of documentation and coding to back it up since it's the structural equivalent of a 7800, albeit much faster, more powerful, and with some clever new tricks.

While the Xenos is more efficient than the RSX (and slightly ahead in theoretical performance in terms of rendering capabilities), RSX was put into a significantly more GPU-friendly environment. nVidia's chip has a dedicated bandwidth line to its GDDR3 RAM, does not have to multitask I/O functions, and even has a 35GB/s connection to Cell and its XDR RAM. Xenos on the other hand is treated like a CPU in that it handles major I/O functions (hard drive, controllers, USB, etc) and shares all of its memory and bandwidth with the CPU. This directly hinders performance, and leads to problems with both CPU and GPU tasks.

CPUs access their RAM a lot faster than GPUs, and the fact that Xenon is accessing GDDR3 means higher latency. Both chips lose out.
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Despite only 5 months of market presence, 1st-gen PS3 titles are beating Xbox 360 titles in every category we can think of: draw distance, polygon counts, texture quality, animation, AI, etc. The worst part though is that the technological divide is only going to continue to increase with each year, and that potentially spells bad news for Microsoft. Resistance only used 3 out of 7 SPUs, Motorstorms used 15% of its SPU resources, and yet these games are technological powerhouses.

It won't be long before the PS3 Target Renders start becoming achievable, just as the PS2 and PS1 target renders did. They're already expecting a 5-fold increase in Physics Performance for Motorstorm 2.

[spacetoilet]

I like games!?

[kewlkat007]

for the engineers, right now I rather use my EYES.

HEAD to HEAD 360 games look better. If you think otherwise, then you need your eyes checked.

I just made it sound REAL SIMPLE without resorting to JIBBER ENGINEERING JABBA, while just using my God Giving Eyes. If the POTENTIAL for the PS3 is there, then it will always be there, and eventually come out, but for now I'll go with RESULTS.

You are getting them on the 360 as of RIGHT NOW. It is what it is.

[Gears]

NEW INFO: An EA developer has called in to let Maxconsole know that he believes the Xbox 360 will triumph over the PS3 due to its better performance and more rounded support. These claims come on the revelation that development of Army of Two on the Xbox 360 manages to yield a maximum of 60fps while the PS3 version struggles to reach 30fps currently. Army of Two is expected to hit retail shelves during November.

Link: http://www.maxconsole.net/?...

THE 360 GPU IS MORE POWERFUL THAN A 7900GTX and X1950XTX which is way beyond the PS3's GPU. Xenos can actually sustain its max outputs, where as the PS3's GPU is only 60% efficient, which means it is very WEAK in comparison. Xenos will kill the 7900GTX and X1950XTX, something the PS3 can't.

First to put this to rest the PS3 has a severe memory limitation when compared to the 360. Example: I did notice a report done by 1up.com that talked about the main memory in regards to PS3 version of Oblivion and downloadable content. In that report they said that the memory that the PS3 had could not hold all the downloadable content that has come out on XBOX 360 so in that case it is a big deal. The developer had to choose the content for Oblivion on PS3 instead of including it all. That is a limitation that will continue to get worse as games grow larger and larger in games of this type. SO EVEN IF THE PS3 GPU IS MORE POWERFUL COMBINED WITH CELL YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW BECAUSE OF SEVERE MEMORY LIMITATIONS. Look at Prey, couldn't be done on the PS3, again GRAW2 and Rainbow Six Vegas devs are having a he11 of a time working with the PS3 memory limitations, I guarantee FRAMERATE ISSUES.

Quote from a developer: From all I've seen, and overall feeling here at my work (no, it's not MS, it's an independent developer) the 360 is way better from memory, graphics, overall CPU power and functionality. and it's clearly easier to develop for, as well.

Want to know why Xenos doesn’t need as much raw horsepower to outperform say something like the x1900xtx or the 7900GTX? It makes up for not having as much raw horsepower by actually being efficient enough to fully achieve its advertised performance numbers which is an impressive feat. The x1900xtx has a peak pixel fillrate of 10.4Gigasamples a second while the 7900GTX has a peak pixel fillrate of 15.6Gigasamples a second. Neither of them is actually able to achieve and sustain those peak fillrate performance numbers though due to not being efficient enough, but they get away with it in this case since they can also bank on all the raw power. The performance winner between the 7900GTX and the X1900XTX is actually the X1900XTX despite a lower pixel fillrate (especially in higher resolutions) because it has twice as many pixel pipes and is the more efficient of the 2. It’s just a testament as to how important efficiency is. Well how exactly can the mere 360 GPU stand up to both of those with only a 128 bit memory interface and 500MHZ? Well the 360 GPU with 4XFSAA enabled achieves AND sustains its peak fillrate of 16Gigasamples per second which is achieved by the combination of the unified shader architecture and the excessive amount of bandwidth which gives it the type of efficiency that allows it to outperform GPUs with far more raw horsepower. I guess it also helps that it’s the single most advanced GPU currently available anyway for purchase. Things get even better when you factor in the Xenos’ MEMEXPORT ability which allows it to enable “streamout” which opens the door for Xenos to achieve DX10 class functionality. A shame Microsoft chose to disable Xenos’ other 16 pipelines to improve yields and keep costs down. Not many are even aware that the 360’s GPU has the exact same number of pipelines as ATI’s unreleased R600, but to keep costs down and to make the GPU easier to manufacture, Microsoft chose to disable one of the shader arrays containing 16 pipelines. What MEMEXPORT does is it expands the graphics pipeline in more general purpose and programmable manner.

I’ll borrow a quote from Dave Baumann since he explains it rather well.

“With the capability to fetch from anywhere in memory, perform arbitrary ALU operations and write the results back to memory, in conjunction with the raw floating point performance of the large shader ALU array, the MEMEXPORT facility does have the capability to achieve a wide range of fairly complex and general purpose operations; basically any operation that can be mapped to a wide SIMD array can be fairly efficiently achieved and in comparison to previous graphics pipelines it is achieved in fewer cycles and with lower latencies. For instance, this is probably the first time that general purpose physics calculation would be achievable, with a reasonable degree of success, on a graphics processor and is a big step towards the graphics processor becoming much more like a vector co-processor to the CPU.”

And about the DX10 features, PS3 will never be able to go past DX9 level, but the X360 has a large portion of the DX10 features already built-in. So once developers get a better grasp of shaders, you will see the X360 surpass the PS3 as far as graphics are concerned.

on the other hand, Xenos has a more advanced level (for lack of a better phrase) of pixel-shading because it goes well beyond shader model 3.0 whereas RSX is stuck at just slightly above 3.0

CROSS PLATFORM TITLES MAY LOOK THE SAME BUT THEY SURE AS HELL DON"T RUN THE SAME. 360 wins in that category fangirls. 360 ftw

[Cartesian3D]

these numbers r from XBOX forums . and there isnt any official numbers from SONY (RSX) right now.

look at this trust worthy Link.

http://www.anandtech.com/vi...

" Remember that the RSX, being built on a 90nm process, is supposed to be running at 550MHz - a 28% increase in core clock speed from the 110nm GeForce 7800 GTX. The clock speed increase alone will account for a good boost in GPU performancewhich would make the RSX “more powerful” than the G70."

"First and foremost, you have to keep in mind that these are not exact transistor counts - they are estimates. Transistor count is determined by looking at the number of gates in the design, and multiplying that number by the average number of transistors used per gate. So the final transistor count won’t be exact, but it will be close enough to reality. Remember that these chips are computer designed and produced, so it’s not like someone is counting each and every transistor by hand as they go into the chip. "

this article is from June 2005..

Nvidia has released a statement correcting the previous one.

"There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar workings with the PS3's RSX chip - only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599."

some psfan topics.. but with some numbers and real source

http://www.thecomputermecha...

from Xbox forums.:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/s...

[MetalProxy]

I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

[bluebrad1974]

Looks like we have some Sony fanboys as contributers to this site. It is a well known fact that 95% of PS3 titles are graphically inferior to their 360 counterparts.

[Sphinx]

Here I was preferring the graphics on the 360. I'm such an idiot. Thank you for making me see the light! I will now head home, light my 360 on fire while I urinate on it, and go to the store to get a PS3. Geez, I hope they have some there!
Captain Obvious says,"the above statement uses sarcasm".

[KA-BAR]

I would have a house with a room dedicated to each platform I like em all for different reasons.
So whatever floats your boat, fits your budget.
After all it's YOUR money.
I have my own flame wars and fanboy battles on the weekends, It's called NASCAR and my Ford driving brothers........I'm a Chevy driver/fan. LOL

[achira]

the ps3 is the most powerfull console. look at motorstorm, awesome physics and graphics, look at resistance, the biggest levels with the most action, look at sigma demo, the sharpest textures, look at f1 the most impressive weather effects. the ps3 has all! and what has the xbox360. gears ? lol . hahhaa how poor. resistance looks far more realistic, although it has not so good textures, but has far more characters on the screen, has far more polygons on the screen, has bigger levels on the screen, and so on. and dont forget it gears is developed by epic, the graphic whores. in the next time you will not see any games, that will surpass the graphics from gears on the xbox360, till gow2, by a little bit. ps3 will win the race, thats for sure. dont even mention this crappy ports from ubisoft, lol. should i say mucisoft.

[Grown Folks Talk]

it barely looks better than the xbox original. just more shiny with a little extra detail. as i've said long ago, if you have been a playstation only fan during your gaming life, PS3 graphics amaze you because you had the lowest common denominator. the jump from PS2 to PS3 stands out more because the xbox already looked better. the jump from xbox to 360 isn't as great because xbox didn't have as far to go. xbox games looked better than PS2 from the start because it was better graphics hardware. if you take a game like splinter cell (originally made only for xbox) and compare it to the PS2 version, it's not even close. games made for both at the same time still looked better on xbox, just by a lesser margin. i continue to see every day people hoot and holler about PS3 graphics from resistence to gthd and so on. while they don't look horrible, they by no means look anywhere near as good as people try to say they do. period.

[P4KY B]

'nuff said

[chrisin3]

The more i read what hardcore gamers have to say, the more i realize that stating intelligent, insightful, and thought-out comments are pointless. Most of the gamers on here use this logic: Read article from unknown source, discern if article meets agenda, spew back the information incoherently. In other words, think about what you say before you say it. Regurgitating information you know nothing about does not make you an expect on that topic. People throw around the words like EDRAM like they invented the stuff. I work in IT with highly technical security applications and servers, but will not claim myself an expert on any of this new gaming technology. I know I cannot explain it accurately. Even the sources we read on the technology are often times highly questionable. Most of these types of arguments by hardware gamers are completely without proper understanding, which leads to a completely inaccurate portrayal of the technology. But when did logic have anything to do with these forums... Flame on kids...

[Violater]

which is why I keep out of these tech discussions b/c though I may know a little about computers and 3d rendering I know nothing about console technology.
I sickens me when i hear people throwing around terms loosely, and I cannot imagine how actual game developers feel when they see random people spewing crap about their art.

[MetalProxy]

Someone that is over the age of tweelve.

[deadeyes99]

PS3 GFX NEVER WILL LOOK BETTER LESS U CONVINCE URSELF THEY DO

[XxZxX]

I hope that's not you in the your avatar cause your above statement agreed with your avatar look.

[Ludwig]

O_o' .. uhhhhhhhhhhh

Xenon = CPU
Xenos = GPU

I think the guy was looking at the wrong processor ..

[THAMMER1]

I agree with deadeyes99. The PS3's games only look better to people who are still caught up in the hype. The games must not look that much better because here in the USA we are all graphics sluts. If the PS3 was out doing the 360 the world would know by now.

People are still waiting to see the PS3's defining moment. MAybe MGS? Hmm will people still care by then.......doubt it.

Edit below: @ DEEP
It is O.K. MAN express your self. What do you have to say?

[techie]

"MAybe MGS? Hmm will people still care by then.......doubt it."

Ah yes nice to have the hold Thammer back

[MetalProxy]

I remember waiting for the 360s defining moment..it took a long long time. It was about a year remember!

[techie]

It's alright Tham....maybe your title should have been 360>PS3

Titles that will have amazing gfx BEFORE mgs4...Lair, HS, Uncharted and Ratchet. Now note I didn't say these would be AAA titles, as I have no idea...but I know from research that these games have some of the best upcoming GFX for any titles. And both consoles will be getting many more. So when you say MGS4 you belittle every other game coming to the ps3.

It'd be like me saying in 2005...maybe the 360 will get it when Gears releases...or maybe people will have stopped caring by then...

Anybody to say that is an absolute d*ck. So why bother tham. Why respond to this sh*tty forum post that shouldn't have made it on this site at all.

[THAMMER1]

They were 100% correct the best next gen game to date was launched right with the PS3. GEARS OF WAR. We got to see what next generation could show us the same time Sony put out the PS3. The thing is it just did not come from the Sony camp.

Yes it did take one year for M$ and Epic to get GOW ready, but it was one hell of a year. PGR3, COD2, GRAW1, Fight Night R3, DOA4, Battle Field 2, Kameo, ect. So say what you want but the truth is the 360 holds it's weight up against the competition and things are still getting better for us all PS3 fan and 360 fans.

MGS4 and FFXII are coming up to bat for Sony and it just mite pay off. We are still waiting for that Sony promise to pay off. Riiight!

[nicodemus]

IF an actual article/news story were to be posted on this subject, shouldn't the headline at least be a little more fitting? Perhaps something like this:

"We all know the PS3 is more powerful, so why do Xbox gfx look better?"

That seems a more reasonable question to ask, since a PS3 title is yet to approach Gears of War visuals.

And besides, don't the rules on this site say that random forum posts don't count as news anyway?

[rowdy 1]

It seems to me that when i play Rfom. Things are much more spread out and clearer form a distance and the physics are pretty clean. When I play gears things up close are awesome but in the distance things become distorted. The online play is better on RFOM becuase the maps are bigger and there are more opponents to battle as to where it's only 4 v 4 for gears. I enjoy Socom over both. But from my experience The systems are about the same. I've seen some crappy graphics for both and some awesome graphics for both. I prefer football on PS3, but prefer Fight Night on 360. I enjoyed splinter cell on XBOX and Metal gear on PS2. You people need to start taking advantage of both systems. But I do play my PS3 more than my 360, don't know why.

[nice_cuppa]

DEPTH OF FIELD !

look out the window dude !

there you go !

[power of Green]

Where did this Sony fanboy find this post?. It's nonsense no one thinks PS3 games have an edge over 360 games. If you like the faded washed out color filted painted looking textures look them PS3 games will seem to look better than 360 games.

[artman]

that is very clever to explain~

[Saint Sony]

PS3 might be all great and powerful, but it doesn't help much if devs don't make anything good out of it. Currently it sucks, but all knows there will be more games for PS3 and for 360. Just wait and see what happens. I will buy PS3 as well, but only then when it is worth it. Currently it is not.

These idiotic fights over consoles are sooo f#cked up. Just play with one you think is good, as simple as that.

[snoop_dizzle]

I completely agree

[Marceles]

I totally agree...it's the devs. This argument is retarded...if you want to argue Gears of War looks better than any game out, then it's a good job for the devs, not a good job for Xbox 360's graphics power because PS3 could have handled Gears if it weren't exclusive. Maybe Xbox could've handled Resistence too (here comes the fanboys to say there's no way Xbox's processor could handle everything on screen), but wait for the devs to unlock the PS3's potential...Unreal Tournament 3 is coming out soon, then we can argue and all be fanboys over one system's lighting and textures being slightly better than the other...

[THAMMER1]

I would rather people say they just like Playstation more than Xbox. It is also more honest. How can you argue with that. If an Xbox fan says that the Xbox has better graphics over Playstation just bong them over the head with "SO WHAT I STILL LIKE PLAYSTATION MORE!!!"

[Elginer]

it's another penis sizing contest lol

[ngg12345]

Gears: Those numbers, are inaccurate, and are wrong. Where did you get this? Sony announced that the ps3 was clocked at 550 mhz. Did you follow the website wikipedia, or inquierer? Because both are wrong.Here are the true numbers for each system, I don't care where you got your data, I got mine from what they announced. Not either of those sites

PS3:
Clocked at 550 MHz
1.8 TFLOPS (trillion floating point operations per second)
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
136 shader operations per clock. It should be noted that will contain only 8 ROPs as opposed to G70 , that contains 16 ROPs.
Transistor count of 300.2 million transistors
74.8 trillion shader operations per second
33 billion dot products per second
128-bit pixel precision offers rendering of scenes with high dynamic range imaging
128-bit memory bus width , as opposed to G70 with a 256-bit bus width
S3TC [1]
Over 1.2 Billion Vertices per second. (Over 275 Million Polygons/Second)

Do you notice that the ps3 has a faster gpu, but most likely a more superior gpu.

Xbox 360:
* 337 million transistors total
* 500 MHz parent GPU (90 nm process, 232 million transistors)
* 500 MHz 10 MB daughter embedded DRAM framebuffer (90 nm process, 105 million transistors)
o NEC designed eDRAM has internal logic for color, alpha blending, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing.
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
o 4 arithmetic logic units per pipe for vertex or pixel shader processing
o Unified shader architecture (This means that each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders.)
o Support for DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0, limited support for future DirectX 10 shader models
o 2 Shader operations per pipe per cycle
o 96 Shader operations per cycle across the entire shader array
o Shader performance: 48 billion (48,000 million) shader operations per second
* 16 Filtered & 16 unfiltered texture samples per clock
* Maximum polygon performance: 500 million triangles per second
* Pixel fillrate: 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA
* Dot product operations: 9.6 billion per second theoretical
maximum, 33.6 billion per second theoretical maximum when summed with CPU operations.

[Gears]

The 360 GPU is the first ever to acheive almost 100% of its theoretical #'s where as the PS3 GPU is 60%, which means the 360 GPU is still stronger, it is stronger than a 7900GTX and X1950XTX as well.

EA Developer: Xbox 360 will triumph over PS3 due to performance and support

An EA developer has called in to let Maxconsole know that he believes the Xbox 360 will triumph over the PS3 due to its better performance and more rounded support. These claims come on the revelation that development of Army of Two on the Xbox 360 manages to yield a maximum of 60fps while the PS3 version struggles to reach 30fps currently. Army of Two is expected to hit retail shelves during November.

[Russbomb]

Are you sure this isn't per processor?
I think it is because 8 is definitly more hoarsepower than 3.

[xg-ei8ht]

And why do u think every developer there is calls RSX a shader monster.

I've never heard that said of the 360.

Not really sure why he's infact saying ps3 games look better, because atm there is nothing that couldnt be done a on mid range pc.

[Pheneus]

do PS3 graphics look better than 360? Give me an example of one game *that is released and has a steady frame rate* that looks even marginally better. The only thing I can come up with is Oblivion and even that is debatable.

[calderra]

There are none. Ps3 graphica do not look superior. Thus, this article is bull.

[naturalgamer]

Motorstorm looks 10 times better than any 360 title. the 360 could never do this. it's like real life racing man. lololololol you're a funny guy.

[progx]

Im happy with what ive seen on my 360 so far. All this talk about cell and the ps3's graphics doesn't mean $hit.

[progx]

"i think the real games to compare are exclusives
example: gears of war vs. rs:fom"

-Theres no way in hell you can compare these 2. Resistance is no where near gears graphically.

"Forza Motorsport looks sh!te compared to GTHD, MGS4 and FFIIIX cant be done on 360 and GTA4 is being held back due to this crappy hardware. Just admit you made a bad console choice and move on."

-Only the core system because it has no HD. Get your facts straight.

[Russbomb]

aside with your fascination of the s word,
I agree, the cell is overhyped but that does not mean that it is usless. I don't think developers should focus thousands of hours making the ps3 games look that much better. Because they can only look but so much better.
What they need to do is stress the importance of blue ray and an automatic hard drive and start making ps3 games with extra levels as opposed to less levels on the 360 version or somthing because the blue ray can handle it.
This will show why ps3 owners paid 600 bucks!
I really believe that the ps3 is better hardware wise but if sony wants to win they need to incorporate that into better games.
also R Fom can be compared to gears because r fom had 52 levels while gears has 5 acts

[Bathyj]

I would like to discuss about how the Cell and RSX are designed to work in tandem while the Xboxes CPU and GPU, while very powerful are less symbiotic, but since everyone so hung up on this "Who'se graphic are better" its apparent there will be no sensible discussion in this thread.

[Premonition]

I was explaining, basically PS3 has 2 GPU's since Cell origianlly was suppose to be the PS3's main GPU. Sony never scrapped the whole idea, thats why its able to render, basically Its like brother and sister one helps out the other when in need, I mean thats what I see.

[Bathyj]

Thanks for trying though, its just not the time or place for it apparently. ;)

[Marceles]

http://www.engadget.com/200...

hmm..looks like Forza should've thought about adding HD in their title first, so what's use of adding an HDMI output for the 360 in the first place? *cough* rip off *cough*

[techie]

Please can we get this sh*t off the site. It's not needed here. It's a forum post from ps3forums and we don't need it. It's starting to p*ss me off.

I know it may have been posted with a good heart Prinz so you could try your luck, but whoever approved it, you're the ones to blame. This "article" should be reported off this site. NOW. Please join me community.

[holynerds]

you are such a fk'ing nerd lol

Im not talking about the 'cute, adorable' type of nerd that is floating around ... just a hardcore nerd.

you dont even have a PS3 lol ... and dont feed the BS that youre going to school yadda yadda ...blah!

you = pathetic

flamers flame on ... but seriously - fk this wannabe.

[techie]

lol if you think I'm a nerd then you don't know me. I have a lot of interests, and currently this and my work feeds me. But yeah find me a nerd who's a model, actor and muscision and gets a lot of sex...and then I'll agree I'm a nerd.

[kewlkat007]

Review of both the PS3 and 360.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk...

The PS3's SPE's will come into play , much later on down the road. However, the vast majority of desktop applications, on computers today aren't, even dual-threaded, let alone widely multithreaded. Games, in particular, just aren't there yet. Nobody doubts PS3's potential, but as of right now, where we stand this article is rubbish.

He states: "The X360 GPU is slightly more flexible due to the subtle differences between the respective architectures of the nVidia and ATI chipset. Certain shader restrictions are lifted or easier to work around on X360. The bandwidth of the X360 GPU is pretty massive too, though partly this is balanced out by the differences in VRAM layout of the two systems that means the Xbox needs to move graphics data around the system more than the PS3 does."

BUT

"Certain procedural effects are easier to create on the PS3 because of the power of the SPEs. Effects like water simulations, especially when you move beyond simple surface effects to fluid dynamics require the kind of algorithms that are really suited to the CELL architecture. Having said that the slightly more flexible GPU and unified memory model on X360 allows some neat tricks that level the playing field somewhat."

I've come to the conclusion, like that guy said, "any slight edge will not make a big difference on each console, whether they fail or not." Developers have a lot of work cut out for them.

The way I see it, PS3's CELL counters the XENON, while the Xbox360's XEON counters the CELL. How much of a big difference we will see in games, well only the FUTURE, DEVELOPERS and PROGRAMMERS know, as GAMERS we can USE our EYES for now.

[Rybnik]

I so wish that the poster linked this post to the original forum which is not PS3forum but teamxbox,

Secondly, the source of the info sounds pretty genuine to me. I think it is unfortunate however that he posted this info so early, as the facts that many people here pointed out still stand, that being that Motorstorm is the only released game in favor of supporting the developers claims.

After having read what he said and seen footage of soon to be released titles his claims, I believe will likely be backed up. Everyone here should bookmark this article and check back around nov-dec of this year and see if the "360 games obviously look better" thing still stands.

I am beginning to see signs that it wont,
1. Motorstorm only used 15-20 percent spu power??? wow

2. Resitance didnt quite stack up graphically to Gears because IG didn't have time to include texure streaming, ahh
http://palgn.net/article.ph...

3. FIRST playable build footage ie trailer footage of RCF:TOD looks in some ways to be comparable to Pixar quality (others not) but hey it is September 06 footage.
http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

4. Heavenly Sword graphics have matched/ might beat its own E3 05 target render
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

5. Lair's world looks pretty unbelievable and there is no blurriness to make everything appear smooth.
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

6. Yikes, and I almost forgot, thanks to Deep the new info on Drake's Fortune's animation system may pull one of the things so unbelievabe about the KZ trailer: the illusion that no single animation is the same!!

I am pretty much 100 percent convinced that if Ladev had waited a bit longer to share this revealing (heretofore undisclosed information about cell/RSX combo) people would see far more evidence of his words expressed in the quality if released games.

[Premonition]

But i say bookmark this page for next weeks gamer day where they will show uncharted Drake, that should so whats to come in the future.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Same Ole' Sh!t. Give it a rest people, both consoles can kick a$$ and take names so give up the ghost already! Enjoy your games and leave the BS in the pasture.

[Eternal E 808]

i mean what game has better graphics on the ps3 that is better than Gears which is out......none

just face it ppl the 360 has better scores,better and more games,better online better sales and great graphics if you ask me i don't know why ppl avoid the fact that 360 is just dominating.FACT!

[techie]

Can we have a pact of silence. PLEEEEEASSSSSSE. No one wins or loses. Saying anything more means nothing. let's just stop. :( Otherwise, this site has turned to sh/t

[Eternal E 808]

its ashame that they allow these type of articles to be posted up i dont know why this is news its irelivent news with no facts im sick of these type of storys i find this site turning more and more into a zoo of idiot fanboys fighting there wars over news posts which is rediculous $hit thats why we have forums ppl damn!.

[Rybnik]

Deep, I feel your sentiment, but I think that we are too late, people will continue to flame and argue, until uncompromising evidence exists one way or another exists. Unfortunately, even that is somewhat subjective, LOL.

For my part I am not really interested in saying OMG teh XBOTs were right hahaha, or OMG PS3drones were'nt so piein da sky afterall.. I just want both consoles to be fully worth the experience that they offer and more.

I do slightly favor what appears to be in the near future of ps3 but that has not yet materialized so we will see. I will say this, IF the E3 target renders truly become a reality on PS3 it wil be way more than just worth it. On the other side, yes the 360 is well worth its price and more now. We will see...

[kewlkat007]

Fanboys will be Fanboys on this site, Posting articles and Approving anything that makes their console of choice seem so superior, when we all know the real truth is in the tasting of the pudin.

now who's really tasting..

[Kuest]

Sooner or later (I realized sooner) you gotta realize that fanboys are a major part of this "News 4 GAMERS" site. AS for the article- look, lets just let the games speak for themselves. Okay, please?. If Heveanly sword turns out looking like the best thing since slice bread so be it. that means Developers were good and maybe the PS 3 is more powerful. But then again...I could say the same thing for Mass Effect, Bioware (yeah, f#cking BIOWARE- just saw the water movie) or Halo 3. Lets just let the GAMES do the talking and sit back.

Thats not saying we all can't be fanboys (do what you got to do) but arguring about some future game when you, yourself haven't even PLAYED is just stupid. I don't go around saying Xbox 360 is better! Why? Because Halo 3 is coming out 4 months from now. No, I would say look at Gears or Oblivion or Resistance or Motorstorm (I'm referring to both sides, calm down).

Oh no, now I'm starting to preach... Huxely looks pretty damn sweet, I think it serves as testament that the 360 *best console in the world* is CLEARLY better than the *ugghh* PS 3. What! You don't see the amazing graphics? Well your just blind.

[ben hates you]

i know i like what i see on both consoles even though i am a fanboy and like when one console fails and the other succeds but in the end they both look great so quit being babies

[ChickeyCantor]

why would we care for things like this =/.......games people!!! games! even tetris is still a killer.

[CaliGamer]

The problem is you have to keep in mind that this is mostly a user generated site. That being said, there is always going to be some bias involved in the process of approval and posting of stories, I for one don't really waste my time commenting on most of what is said about a story because for the most part a lot of the comments are uninformed and lack the logical evidence to be taken seriously.

The anonymity that sites like this offer can be a blessing in that it allows people who would not otherwise state their opinion more willing to do so but on the other hand the knuckle heads who just frequent the site to start trouble are also afforded the same luxury and there is no way to say who is who.

In the end we are all consumers and whether we have a PS3 or a 360 as long as we are happy all this ranting and raving doesn't matter. We would all do well to take this site for what it is, ENTERTAINMENT, and move on with our day to day lives away from our respective consoles.(Unless thats is your life)

E3 will prove a lot but the detractors on this site will do what they do best, and that is H8 on the opposition.

[macalatus]

Are you fanboys (from both sides, especially the most annoying bunch, the Xbots)sure that the "owl" picture right next to the article title isn't you? That's because I was going to say you guys look mighty ugly (all fanboys, especially the Xbots)while arguing which system is better!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

signifies that you as well are a fanboy. both sides have their share of extremists. and both of those extremes are just as annoying.

[Xi]

really because I find all fanbois annoying, including the likes of you. Most of the time psf's enjoy starting the fights, and insulting the xbot while, xbots usually like to rub things in the psf's face, and blow small things out of the water.

[macalatus]

UPDATE: For Grown Folks Talk
Don't cry now, Junior, I have a nickname for Sony fanboys: PlaySuckers!! See, I'm also an equal oppurtunity guy!! So now, Junior, don't let the pesky "PlaySuckers" bother you and finish your veggies!! Nothing personal against the Xbots, but they're a tad bit more annoying than the PlaySuckers, FOR NOW.

PS: Hey Junior, the fact that you felt "offended" by my post makes you...one! LOL!! Alright, just kidding!! Now finish your veggies!!

[Grown Folks Talk]

they're yucky.

[Arkham]

Your response to Grown Folks' reply proves his point.

(I go away for a week, and, what, I expected this place to change? Hmm.)

[kevin]

actually the ps3 when combining the cell and the rsx can have 9 gpu's ill explain:

you idiots really do not have a shadow of a clue about the ps3 and its true power don't you find it sort of embarassing that the weak60 is already maxed out after only a year yes it has i really honestly feel so sorry for you wanna be tech specialists you dont understand the hardware design of the ps3 in any way but you keep using your last gen knowledge to try to decipher a truely next gen system you minds are only subpar at most you have no idea what your talking about first of weak60 is nowhere near the ps3 in any way wanna know why because the ps3 is a supercomputer and do you wanna know what supercomputers do they are the machines behind these movies such as the incredibles, madagascar, toy story, final fantasy, cars and even those movies that will have those computer generated dragons, and creatures that dont really exist but look incredibly close to real they also render movies such as the day after tomorrow i know your minds are to weak just as weak as weak180 in comparison to the sheer unparalleled magnitude of the sony playstation 3 supercomputer and i know even after this post of the truth someone else will try to come up with their lame explanation of why your little miniscule minds believe that the weak180 is even at the shadow of the bondary of the sony ps3 and its true power many of you are saying that the ps3 had shown some fake trailers at e3 05 yes you may be right but then again maybe not those games shown were tech demoes done to the ps3 spec and wonna know one more bumber the graphic chip wasn't even complete at the time of e3 05 and one more bumber even with the incomplete system they were only harnessing 70% of the ps3's power that is extremely scary considering no one will ever use 100% of the ps3's power thats if there is a 100% now many of you poor idiots are so bent on just judging these launch titles as oppossed to the full power of the system you idiots dont even understand that whereas the weak180 is very very close to its limit if not exceeded its limit ps3 is doing its warm-up excercise ill show you idiots just how foolish you are why do you think that microsoft released gears of war right around the time of the ps3 launch gate ill tell you why gears of war was microsofts graphical trump card oh its very much common sense micrfosoft planned this release for a long while they knew the game exceeded what the weak60 was capable of but they knew the ps3 is 2X + powerful as the weak180 and they were doomed if they didnt try to battle the ps3's starting graphics with there best graphics you see microsoft is sort of smart and sort of stupid kinda like you people they released the game at the launch of the ps3 because they knew developers werent going to be able to make that level of graphics at the launch of the ps3 so that was microsofts opportunity to release this gears of war but you boys didnt notice that im no tech but yet i figured that out reason 2 why bill gates even stated,"this game is what the system is built for" in other words thats all the system is able to withstand you know the weak180 may be able to match the ps3 if you had 2 weak180's + something else and here is another scary fact sony said the finalized ps3 hardware was more powerful than expected another bummer guerilla games confirmed killzone 2 is already in developement and some elements already exceed the trailer and you that say that the weak60's current games look better than on the ps3 your far from correct because develpopes say that every game done for the ps3 is only possible on the ps3 because its a supercomputer developers could easily at this point and time stop what they are doing with the ps3 just trying to get the physic power out of the system not so much as to scratch the graphic power im so tired of you idiots saying that the graphic processor in the weak180 being superior to the ps3's your so far from right that im sorry for you you see the ps3's graphic chip had to be compatible supercomputer hardware in order for the system to be able to render the true photrealistic graphics that you will be seeing in the very near future plus do youo really beleive that aftr all the trash talk last time about the graphics and the inferiority i would highly doubt that sony would make the same mistake this time around thats why there was 6 years of planning and testing that the ps3 had to go through to insure the ps3 would succeed geniouses are the ones that made this gaming console/supercomputer which weak180 unforunately the weak180 is not not by a long shot when you say that the ps3 and weak180 is equal you must mean the 360 that is comming out in 2010 yeah thats right not the weak180 thats currently out 2005-2010 i said all that to say this stop dreaming that the weak180 is magically more powerfull or equally as powerfull or almost as powerfull because in all reality its leaps and bounds behind the ps3 microsoft knows it they've already sucked it up why cant you all just suck it up as well wake up from this dream the 180 is so last year its not next gen its sorta middle gen and wii is post gen ps3 will be the only one to endure the entire 2006-2010 + believe that no doubt about it 180 is alread all washed up don't expect any improvements over gears of war you'll surely be highly dissapointed enough said but i still know after this post some 100 or 1000's more weak180 fans will come and post on the same subject with more trash and one question why do all you 180 fans come visit ps3 sites so much anyway is your system really that washed up if so please do enjoy 180's little shine time cause it will be small because i guarantee you won't be comming over once sonys system warps past the 180 we will see less and less of you and you wont have anything to say now here is the last part of my post you microsoft fans are the source of the foreshadowed weak180's defeat you post so many comments and talk a whole lot of trash that microsoft will not be able to follow through with on the 180 you see people are surely visiting these sites and reading your posts and you have set a very high bar for the 180 which is maxed out and some more and saying so much that the ps3 cant do but when the time comes and the 180 cant deliver what you said it could and i know microsoft is shaking in its boots because they know that none of what you are saying is anywhere near a reality it may sorta seem like it now but its only been what 2 months please ill give it at the most 5 more months and watch you'll be regretting what you have stated guaranteed and when sony comes through and tells you i told you so that the ps3 will deliver you will be crying because the graphics will even exceed way past even killzone 2 on the ps3 there will be nothing else left for you to say end of discussion at that time i think it would only be fair to pay 180 sites a visit and tell you why the next gen doesn't start until sony said and we will get on your nerves just as you have done to us but it will be the truth not guesses or your wanna be tech analysis you really believe you know everything last gen things dont serve the same as the true next gen youd do well to remember that i will be the first to say i told you so. thanks for your time oh and wait why do you weak180 fans keep still insisting that the ps3 and the weak180 are anywhere near equal let me show you PS3 supercomputer 218 tflops movie making past photrealistic grapic capabilities>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >weakbox 180 1 tflop gears of war and thats the max no further git a clue the first release games on the ps3 look either as good or better than the current games and games to come on the weakbox180 ps3 is going to ball the weakbox180 up and throw it in storage. love you and no hard feelings oh and what developers have you heard say that the ps3 and the weakbox180 are equal either thats just something to get in our heads that thats true or thats just paid people that were told to tell you that to suck you outta gettin that good old ps3 let me ask you if the ps3 and weakbox180 are equal then why are the graphics as good as weakbox180 and developers say that they do not even understand the hardware its very much impossible and secondly why do ports that come from the weakbox180 look either as good or better than the original ill tell you why ps3 is like Goku ss4 and weakbox180 is like bebi without vegeta and EA games is only using well under half of the ps3's power if EA really wanted to they could release a whole noter type of football game for the ps3 that would be completely real life mud, dirt, blood, bones breaking, individual hairs, facial hair, muscle definition, every aspect of the eyes, true facial expressions, breathing, every aspect of the face such as moles, bumps, wrinkles, sleepy stuf, tears, real sweat not like the sortta real sweat being rendered now, veins, nuckle definition, stains, fingerprints, pores, wounds, damage to any part of the body as in real life and so much more because the ps3 is a supercomputer and this is not just for football games its for every genre while you all are saying killzone isnt possible it is very possible but you had better get ready because for the ps3 thats just the tip of the ice burg. BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID. this is the truth yes the truth that these puny weakbox180 fans are trying to mask by giving you little subpar understanding of last gen standards of tech specs to try to make you truely think that these to consoles well at least one of them are consoles are really on the same level if your all dumb enough to believe them and any dumb developer that would like to follow behind them and anyone else go ahead but the true knowledge and understanding can only be done by real next gen minds not americans the japanese there the geniouses so they know dont let you faith be wavered by these would be trash talkers they are making claims that will never come to past. just believe.

you see my friend this time around is much different for the ps3 you see unlike the other times sony has proved that their machine has the power to do whatever they say you may think that the games so far arent good enough but the only reason that motorstorm didnt look like the trailer is because the developers didnt know how to correctly program a game for a supercomputer with a graphic chip and Blue Ray, also the budget for the game wasnt anywhere near the budget that guerilla games has invested in killzone 2 so i would expect a game that will surpass the e3 2005 trailer by alot, if you dont believe that sony's ps3 then please help yourself and check out for yourself go to youtube and type in ps3 tech demos there are ps3 tech demos that look better than any ps3, 180, or pc graphics and the reason i know that ps3 aint even done its warm up routine is because 1. no developer yet has merged RSX and CELL together but they have in some of these tech demos 2. the tech demos were acheived in such a short amount of time and also early in ps3s lifecycle 3. once again no developer has truely put enough money into a ps3 game other than kojima, Final Fantasy 13 creaters Square Enix, and also of course Guerilla Games and one reason why i know sony aint lyin is because i still havent seen sony let up and say that, "Naw we just playin the 180 IS as powerful as ps3 our ps3 is NOT 2 times as powerful as the 180." The truth is that the ps3 is a bit more than 2 times as powerful as the 180 the 218 tflops compared to 1 tflop that the 180 has is just for the base hardware, and that is where 180 stops but, sonys ps3 goes some steps further than that first of all the specs you see on paper arent the true specs of the ps3 because like i said when RSX and Cell are merged the specs completely change by a whole lot for the idiots that say that on paper 180 and ps3 are equal that even if it was true, it aint because whereas on the 180 the specs are final and what you see is what you get the gpu and cpu dont merge and also the cpu of the 180 cant produce graphics that is all you get, with the ps3 that is different say the ps3 and 180 base form was equal such as in dbz when goku and vegeta were fighting in the buu saga, they were completely even the thing was that goku had an ace up his sleeve that he never used and that was super saiyan 3, or when majin gohan buu was fighting base form veggeto they were basically even but then again i think buu was more powerful than base form veggeto, but that completely vanished the equality in there power when veggeto went super saiyan, so what in the world makes you think that even if the ps3 and 180 were equal in base form that when ps3 uses the RSX and CELL merger that the 2 would still be equal (although even in base form the ps3 has a computing power of 218 tflops, and the 180 only has 1) remember the giant boost a merger can do goten and trunks for example they were basically weak seperately, but when merged as one especially after the time chamber the power boost from the tranformation was enourmous, especially considering they when merged surpassed goku as a super saiyan 3 now the thing is that even though the ps3 is far far more powerful than the 180 and probably still more powerful than the 360 comming out in 2010 why dont games look better than the 180 games that are multiplatform? in short because the 180 is only making grapics that arent what ps3 is made to render, ill tell ya why the initial plan of sony even before ps3 was first shown was to make games that will have little little difference with cutscenes and realtime and later years have games that will even enter the 4d era, which can only be achieved by a supecomputer (unfortunately ps3 has one, and even extra to go along with that to make surtain that ps3 will acheive and even break deeper into the 4d era) that goal has no changed and sony did put hardware capable of getting the job done, let me show you why the 180 IS weak compared to the ps3 the ps3 has the RSX but many of you believe that the 180's penos is more powerful than the RSX but you will be sadly dissapointed when you figure out the RSX really alone has a higher power than your entire 180 combined and i will show you just go to wikipedia and they will show you whereas the 180s entire system performance is 1 tflop the RSX has a performance of 1.8 tflops now that is alot but the thing is even if the RSX had been the same power or the 180 chip was more powerful than the RSX you are still missing the point of CELL the graphics would still topple anything that 180 has or has comming, why you ask? Because when RSX and Cell are merged whereas there is 1 penos and 1 penon with 3 cores, there is 1 RSX and 1 CELL (although the CELL alone is more powerful than the weaklin180) that changes horribly you see the cell is a supercomputer alone because it has 9 processors with there own performance each running at 3.2ghz the cell acts as an amplifier which many dont know the thing that i am going to tell you is the reason why Phil Harrisson said that, "No one will ever max out the ps3." In all accounts he was trying to sound a little more realistic then what he couldve said, this is what he couldve said, "No one will ever come close to maxing out ps3." Well here is where ps3 completely leaves 180 in the middle gen and takes of to next gen lan after the next gen boulevard where in 180 the gpu and cpu are all seperate but help one another out in the ps3 the cpu and gpu CAN act as one now when this happens which we havent seen only some of the power in the tech demos, when the two combine the power is somewhat on unrealistic boulevard, but it is a R3ality:

1 RSX

1 CELL

merge

RSX counts 9 times across 9 processors running at 3.2ghz each

this is why the ps3 in all accounts could be sony's ps4, notice phil didnt say wouldnt max out the ps3 till 10 years is up, he said no one will ever max it out and this is why.

if you judge the first year even of the ps3 you are dumb to judge the r3ality of what ps3 is truely capable of, this is why i also laugh at the pc fans that say that crysis isnt possible on ps3, that is about as funny as saying bush won the presidential election fairly.

now the only reason that we currently dont have any game on the ps3 that you can truely say is a generational leap is because sony thereselves are holding back, i can GUARANTEE there are things behind closed doors in developement and testing for the ps3 that will nock your socks off one of which is killzone 2 no developers have found it within them to invest 20 million+ dollars on a game for ps3 but think in order to make cutscene graphics in game you would also have to invest the same type of money that you would for the initial cutscene or whatever it cost to make a hollywood movie, now even after the RSX and Cell merger sony went even one step further and added a next gen movie format this will ensure that ps3 will break into the 4d era with force, so with all do respect ps3>>>supercomputer because it has a supercomputer, a mega gpu(that is highly underestimated as some modified geforce something gpu but i would doubt that since it IS a CUSTOM graphic chip that already has a computing performance of 1.8tflops) and then has the Blue Ray disk player oh and why in a million years do you think that sony not only put a blue ray player in the ps3 but put every ps3 game on a blue ray disk as well, duh to acheive cutscene/movie and then even 4d graphics in the future games for the ps3, microsoft was thinking good graphics just not next gen graphics, Glitches of Ware may do it for you but that just aint next gen for me more like middle gen and it did max out the 180 and i do also have proof of that Epic games even said they exceeded the systems power limit, bill gates stated "glitches of ware is what the 180 is built for.", the timeframe that the game was developed and released come on think about the timeframe there was a playable version of the game on nearly finalized 180 hardware and it looked pretty good but watch this, remember the game was initially supposed to be released on the release date of the 180, why was the game pushed back nearly 1 year for extra developement when in e3 2005 the Epic team said the game was what 60 or 80 percent finished? and why was the game not all that much better looking than the e3 2005 trailer? Short answer the machine was maxed out probably well before the release date of the 180 they were just polishing up the game and adding features to the game that is all the graphics were complete.

the only other reason that the motorstorm, resistance titles that were released didnt meet the target renders is because those were cutscene level graphics and were impossible to meet in that time with the budget of either titles, but i have a question for you what developer do you know of that is familiar with supercomputer hardware other than guerilla games and especially for video games they are only use to working with normal pcs to design the games, but the cg films are designed by an entirely different team of people using supercomputer hardware and it cost legions of money to make a cutscene at say final fantasy 12 and 10 and even 8 and 7 level, this is why it is extremely hard to bring out the true graphic power of ps3 sony built the system to darn advanced for the current time, say if the system came out in 2008 mid year the launch games would look better than killzone and i said launch games i repeat, but until developers minds and understanding can meet ps3s technology and the minds o...

[ben hates you]

grow up post something diffrent you have no proof of you claims i don't care if you think you do until you just post comments i will continue to take bubbles

[Kuest]

I know I make long posts, but HOW in the HELLLLL do you expect me to read all that anti-paragraph, big block of, uh, well I can't really say because I didn't really get to read you whole post. (does that suprise you?)

[Lex Luthor]

anyone who manages to read all that is a fuking legend.

[nicodemus]

I tried to copy and paste into Word so I could do a word count, but it crashed my computer.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

don't post such long posts its really annoying. Do you really think anyone would want to read all of that, not to mention theres like a 99% chance none of that typing is yours. Please stop these types of post, and if you are gonna post something at least make it short and to the point.

[Hayabusa 117]

Oh brilliant. See, no one can counter what he said, because no one is going to bother reading the damn thing.

For now, I'll say most of it is BS, since those who know what he's saying, haven't finished reading it yet.

[macalatus]

Are we gonna get tested on Kevin's post?? If we are, do we at least get a study guide? Oh, yeah, is the grading gonna be curved?

[kevin]

that genie can allways come out and make the 180 have better graphics than the ps3 but then again he may not even have the power to power up the 180 that much, why not make a wish to make the genie travel to the future 2010 and bring back the 3shitty then that may be able to somewhat match the ps3 that is the only solution, either that or stop smoking pot, and dont do meth either 180 fans it makes your statements backwards

[Saint Sony]

Sorry pal, but your 180 comments are so old. You should consult Paris Hilton and ask what is HIP today. I recommend that to you because it seems you're really outdated.

[funkysolo]

I'm tired of all these calculations, what's real and what is on paper are 2 different things. If we had to judge what system is the most powerful based on games, wouldn't the 360 win hands down. So why would I care what the PS3 is cabable of if none of the games are taking advantage of it. I hear motorstorm used only 20 percent of the PS3 power, but where does that leave us looking at an average game. This is almost as dumb as PC guys arguing about nivda and ATI graphic cards when both will play the same games in high setting...I'll buy a PS3 when I see that it's worth it until then I don't need a system collecting dust.

[Saint Sony]

OMG NO WAAAAY!

ps. Am I the only one who hates the bloody smiley ads on N4G.com?

[PlayStation360]

THANK YOU!!!!!! Dude i'm with you there. Those little suckers are really annoying. I HATE EM' I HATE EM' I HATE EM'!! lol Oh, 72.1, NO ONE should consult Hilton about ANYTHING!!!!!!! That no talent rich snob is getting what she deserves, well it should be more jail time but i'm not complaining. lol Sorry, I'm just annoyed with chicks who try soo hard to be like her, when they really need to do is grow confidence in their own abilities. Trying to be someone else, changes what makes you special. I had to get that off my chest.lol ..............GAMES RULE!!!!! JOHN THOMPSON SUX!!!!!!!!! SUPER STREET FIGHTER 2 HD.....HELL YEAH!!!!!!

[freeza]

because its not lol hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa, microsoft lied to you fools

[alsef07]

WTF???
ARE YOU SERIOUS, YOU WROTE A BOOk!!
dUDE GET A LIFE, SERIOUSLY

[StrboyM]

welll... duh!!

[FeralPhoenix]

Hey how are you guys doing?....I just got my SCUBA license, me and a buddy are going for a few dives this weekend. Huh?...what?, uhm did I miss another "flame war"....wow thats too bad, honestly I don't know why it was APPROVED, -who is LADev, oh yeah he's that anonymous dev on ps3forum via teamxbox, oh yeah that guy, why didn't you say so at first. @#%#!

Well anyway I was curious what the comments actually said about this so I read through them....honestly they weren't too bad, alot of fans on both sides actually did use some common sense and reasoning, given the title I expected much worse, yeah the usual extremist did their dance but alot of the comments made some sense, at least IMO. Either way I won't fight over spec's by now I know there's a million ways it can but twisted and then we start talking "potential", "theoreticaly", blah, blah, blah= boring.

Well I lied...a little, I read all the comments except for Kevins, Bro I haven't read more than a few lines of that cut & paste journal you keep posting since the first time I seen you post it, I mean honestly I much rather would read a fanboy comment like the un-original "360 or PS3 sucks" comments. I'm guilty myself at times of being long winded, but jeez you are on a whole other level, and from what I can tell from just going back and "skimming" over it briefly, is that you sound like a "bad" PR robot, that Sony decided NOT to use, unfortunately some homeless got pulled you out the recycle bin and hit the play button, apparently they didn't code in the periods and paragraph structure. Here's a tip for some of you but most especially Kevin, unless you are a dev with some serious creditability regurgitating tech spec's is useless on N4G. I promise you I have read close to 50 tech comparisons and some say "this" and some say "that"....the thing that most all them conclude with is that both consoles are very powerful, better in different areas but far more equal than apart....and get this because the overall hardware is almost equal the most critical factor will be the vision and talent of the dev's= who ever shut ups and puts up, will make the best games on either console= it just depends on what the dev's do with the hardware in front of them. -Fanboys can cry now.

[Russbomb]

I see that you are a future kevin.
Though you are no where near kevin status I advise that you type for hours on end practicing the way of kevin and learn the ways of novel writing.

I think that a slightly more powered machine doesn't matter in a gaming perspective, I say slightly because blue ray is goint to prove to be able to do things that DVD9 can't

[chrisin3]

You probably take the cake on arrogance. Anyone who thinks they are important enough to write an essay that big in a forum is arrogant. That first paragraph was excruciatingly long . . . and that was just the first paragraph. I strongly believe to present your opinion on a forum you should follow these guidelines:

1. Make sense most of the time
2. Have some clue about grammar
3. Possess intellect capable of stimulating people other than yourself.
4. Do not divide the numerical characters in a console's name by 2 so that you can sound cool, or prove some worthless point.
5. Even if you are the most biased console owner in the world, please try to abate your blind allegiance by at least 50 percent . . . maybe 60.

I am a PS3 owner, but i cannot stomach your post.

[FeralPhoenix]

Thats exactly what I wanted to say...but your post is short and to the point. -Kevin please take the hint.

[techie]

Much better title :)

[snoop_dizzle]

I'm afraid to click the do not ignore button.

Seriously dude, I am not trying to be mean but make it shorter please.

[magqcc7]

The 360's been out for over a year,and all I hear is gears, gears,gears.It's a shame when R:FOM was twice as long and twice as good(and it was a launch title).I beat GeOW in 10 hours,it took me 4.5 days to beat R:FOM,and thats not exaggerating.R:FOM moves twice as fast,and it's twice as intense, and in my opinion looks better too.The only part of GeOW that looks good is the cut scenes.The in game graphics don't look nearly as good as R:FOM when it's motion.If it wasn't for GeOW the 360 wouldn't have anything to distinguish itself,nor would it offer any incentive to compel purchase.As a matter of fact I just sold my chrome 360 on eBay.

[Ps3ShellShock]

how many people here are dev???

thought so - only dev know these things - all we could do is get a understand of things. im sure there are dev out there that know more then another - thats a fact or every game would look amazing.

you ppl just need to relax. its specs and a dev point of view on the RSX and cell - unless you make games and know these things u really should be adding in ur 2 cents

[dork0783]

I don't care what anybody says I think both of them look the same to me and besides WHO CARES I'm STICKING to my baby and thats my xbox360.SONY YOU WENT WRONG WITH YOUR PS3 I'LL JUST KEEP PLAYING MY 360 LOL!BLAME THE BLUE-RAY!!!!!!!!

[ChickeyCantor]

i'm really amazed you people care what gfx card is better , we have seen they both render high quality pictures, so why go beserk over these things?

well back to my Ds....while you people discuss which system has the "ultimate graphical horsepower" i will enjoy playing my game.....something you all should do

[Hydrolex]

PS3 >>>> Xbox 360

[FeralPhoenix]

he said everything you always say in just a few words.....I think Kevin can learn a thing or two from you, like how you came up with that incredibly "creative" name Xsux360....good job buddy. Alright, alright I guess I over did it messing with Kevin. -My bad.

[xg-ei8ht]

I tried to copy and paste that into a ps3, but the spu's couldn't calculate it.

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I like this one!

[Dragonopolis]

RSX was custom tailored to work with the Cell. Since the SPEs can ease a lot of the GPU's workload it really doesn't need to be a massive and encompass everything. Instead, RSX is more efficient and has more of a focused job - basically outputing the graphics. AI, physics, mathematical calculations, blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc. are all pulled off by the SPEs. The RSX is still pretty much your typical Graphic Card just design to work with Cell efficiently.

Really the only way people are going to know which machine is more capable is to wait 4-6 years and see what games have utilize each console to its fullest and then compare those to games to each other.

So until that happens enjoy the games that come on whatever system you decide to go with and stop trying to one up each other with

"what could be and theoritical nonsense"

[snoop_dizzle]

8 pages
and 5,244 words.
and a bunch of grammatical errors

wow.

oh and on 12 font single spaced.

[marison]

Just kidding, of course...

[AuburnTiger]

I wonder who needs a life more, the guy with a long post, or the guy who takes the post, puts it into word to see how many characters, words and grammatical errors there are.

Quit trying to make yourself look good by making someone else look bad.

[Russbomb]

I love pokemon diamond and motorstorm and mario kart Ds.
And GTA3

I love games that why I buy them so maybe you guys should be a little less concerned with whether your processor can pump out more KBS than the other and start getting concerned about the games because thats what its all really about

[alsef07]

ANother NERDY fight huh

[Marriot VP]

hey for the 1% of video consumers who actually can fully grasp this stuff it's important to them because they need to reinforce their insecure choices of which console to have.

[Maddens Raiders]

between the two warring bros. SNE and MS. Ahhhh...some things should never change. The sheep and the wolf. Stuff like this still makes me chuckle. Just a li'l neat reminder of why I'm here. Wait, this is why I'm here? Oh nevermind....

THammer1: --"50.3 - I also agree
I would rather people say they just like Playstation more than Xbox. It is also more honest. How can you argue with that. If an Xbox fan says that the Xbox has better graphics over Playstation just bong them over the head with "SO WHAT I STILL LIKE PLAYSTATION MORE!!!"

So hammer, when are you getting you're PSTriple? Resistance is Futile. Everyone knows you want one. Just get it and give in to sin. T_T

#88 - great reminder. Great video link man.

Cheers.

[Sly]

interesting.....architecture?. ....hmmmmmmm

[progx]

kevin...just kill yourself already.

[wipeout]

lets face the fact that without the combo of CELL and RSX the PS3
is nothing DEAL!!!! , but it doesn't mean that one day it will surpass the 360.
looks to me that developer mostly looked at the ps3 more than 360 in development.
i'm pretty sure that RFOM and motorstorm can be done on 360 !!! the only limitation the 360 have is the stupid DVD drive that can't handle bigger of data. as for future graphics
i think 360 will beat only bout an inch out of PS3 , since it's beyond shader 3 model. BUT again media storage also take role. when graphics become more advance the media storage needs to be upgraded,
and the current DVD won't handle the capacity

SO BOTH HAVE POWERFULL CHIP

ps3 = RSX need's to combine with cell
xbox = GPU handles all , cpu just helps

i think that's the easiest way 2 say
oh and the xbox360 can handle more polygons

at END it all depends on DEVELOPERS and MEDIA storage

SO CUT THE CRAP WITH TECHNICALL MUMBO JUMBO !!! one claim ps3 has advance and one claim ps3 has advance. as long as both look almost identicall no one is the WINNER!!! and no one looks better !!!

jezz guys if you REALLY wanna know WHY the PS3 is more better
i let u know:
1. it has blu ray
2. expansion slots
3. higher version of HDMI
4. dolby and dts HD ( thanks 2 the blueray )
other than that i guess not . . OK !!!!!

so AGAIN AND AGAIN , CUT THE CRAP WITH SPECS !!!!!

[PhinneousD]

doesn't this sound kinda like what sony claimed about the emotion chip on the ps2... and only until gow2 has it delivered, and that wasn't until after the ps3 was released. well no doubt the cell will be great, but they are only possibilities. walk the walk and deliver. i wanna play mind blowing games on my ps3. they won't have this article if the ps3 was delivering on what they promise.

[silent ninja]

does it corcen you which is more powerful? of all sites i have been this site's members are the ones who take this seriously and its not even smart discussion

i thought with launch of xbox 360 wii and ps3 people would shut up and spend more time gaming instead of arguing which one is more powerful

[THC PRITCHARD]

LOL deep is class

What a comeback
with u all the way mate

We are all Geeks by the way not nerds

[elliot_]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Geohound]

if only children were had this much passion for politics, science, and or the arts.

[Numark]

The problem is with all these people that have a pointless passion about what console is better, are just fanboys. And unfortunately, most fanboys are complete idiots who couldn't get in a real debate. i for one, still dont understand why anyone cares what console is better. You know what, maybe the ps3 is better than my ps3 and is more powerful. So what if it sells more in the future(its not like I get any money from it). I could honestly care less, as i dont benefit if my console does better. Its all personal opinion. I prefer the games on the 360 and xbox live, that is just me. Its not right or wrong.