White Engine and Final Fantasy XIII Development Not Stalled

Playstation 3, Xbox 360 and PC Square Enix engine, the White Engine, which is the engine behind the game FInal Fantasy XIII, was earlier reported as having experienced stalled development. FF-XIII.net has found this to be a mistranslation which is further proven by earlier news from SE about the White Engine.

[pwnmaster3000]

i dont get wat is trying to say here

[Darkiewonder]

and people shouldn't worry and move on with their life.

[gtgcoolkid]

it was funny seeing the 360 fanboys jumping over it though.

[Mu5afir]

Is a Playstation specific engine, where did they get "Xbox 360 / PC" from?

[TheZippo]

The White Engine is going to be for multiple platforms. That could be why.

http://www.jetpackninjadino...
http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...

[Pika-pie]

Yeah the 360 is getting its version of the White Engine, but it will be used on other (non FF) games.

[Peekay]

Sony would never let development stall. This is one of the most important franchises to Sony and probably gaming history in general. What makes you think development stalled when Sony were so damn quick to sort out the unreal engine with epic. One thing i admire Sony for this generation is their willingness to right their wrongs.

[fredy]

on how many games have been delayed or in waiting form sony and it's hardware.

Even f$%ked up ms contract for GTA 4, for xbox fans couple months ago.

[AznSniper]

Do you have proof that GTA4 was delayed because of PS3? Only way to find out is if you worked there.

[ruibing]

Sony is doing everything they could to help development across the board. This one of the main reasons why Naughty Dog did their game in C++ versus LISP like they always have. They want to be able to share their technology to first parties and select third parties.

Sony is fulfilling their promise that TGS that price cut won't be their only strategy, and I hope it all pays off in 2008.

[WilliamRLBaker]

google translator isn't good but it does translate the major word with accuracy, So why would Stale, or stagnent appear when it comes to the white engine?
The funny thing is no one has come forward even by this site giving us a completely 100% accurate translation.

[felman87]

they said it was NOT stalled, in japanese, the difference between the stalled and unstalled (or not stalled) is just two letters.

[DEADEND]

It's funny how those 360 fanboys were saying that it's being stalled because FFXIII is being ported to the 360, I guess those hopes just went down the drain hahaha.

[Death]

Square says the White Engine is running smoothly. The White Engine is a hybrid that works on PS3, 360, and PC. The White Engine is the game engine for FFXIII. If Square has no plans of making FFXIII in some form on PC and 360, why do you think they have a cross platform engine? You don't think they did it so they can say "yeah, we could have done this for PC and 360, but we choose not to" do you?

-Death

[kspraydad]

are there NO japanese readers here?

http://www.watch.impress.co...

[WilliamRLBaker]

wish we had a trusted japanese person here so we could get an truthful 100% translation, Id like to know the truth once and for all so this debate can be put to rest, all i know is that google translator is bad when it comes to the subtles but majority of words are translated so i dont understand how stagnent or stale would appear with the white engine is concerned...

[DemiseofPandas]

* "' The white engine ' development has not been stagnant",
「『ホワイトエンジン』の開発は停滞していない」 This is the only mention of it in the article. Anyone with even basic knowledge of Japanese language knows that (ない) nai, is basically a conjugation for not. Them mentioning it was only to releave any speculation, as the engine has not been mentioned in a while, and to assure that they are still making progress.

[WilliamRLBaker]

then why not just say....The white engine development has been smooth....there are representive words in the japanese language for that...
but oh well.
thanks for the answer.

[Spike47]

that said that it would be delayed get owned!!!!!!!!!

and gta4 could've been delayed because the 360 does'nt have enough space and the ps3's issues.

Rockstar stated that their sandbox title exclusive to the ps3 L.A Noire is not possible on the 360 because it needs more space.

[AllroundGamer]

the year 2007 is definitely a year of neverbeforeseen mixed reviews and dumb rumors news...

[ash_divine]

sadly' that is true

[allforcalisto]

dumbass...

i think whats also terrible is the lack of japanese speakers especially in a lot of these gaming sites. I remember when square-enix trailers would be released it'd take AGES for the sites to post stuff up; literally because no-one knew japanese. Now tell me how that makes sense...how many HUGE titles come out of japan...wouldnt it make sense to have at least ONE japanese speaker?

[lodossrage]

So you won't see that xbot here lol

[Greysturm]

This means (once more) "FF13 not coming to 360" but you can still dream. I remember mart and some other fellows really excited about this news, i hope they arent letdown too hard. Anyway next week we'll probably hear a new rumor about mgs4 going multiplatform which will make them feel better only to be shot down again.

[Kleptic]

since when is the white engine a 360 and PC engine as well?...I thought that, as of now, the white engine was only being optimized for the PS3...and is used by FFXIII and versus XIII...both of which are still exclusive to the PS3...

rumors of that changing fly around all the time, just like MGS4...but nothing has been confirmed in the slightest...

[solar]

they would throw so much money at Square to keep FFXIII an exclusive.

[felman87]

What makes you think they're not?

[rushbd]

that they already didnt do that ?

[solar]

im trying to say they better have. companies like to make money. if they feel they can make a lot more money going multiplatform they wont bat an eye at not doing it. hence, throw lotsa money to make them not. come on guys i know your smart :D

[Grassroots]

Well besides owning a decent size share of Square, I'm sure Sony is paying heavily for these two titles (like 50-75% of production and marketing haha). I feel they also gave mad money for MGS4 as well but in the end to me it's a game of better quality been optimized to their single machine.

[tab553]

the thing you have to remember is final fantasy is one hell of a boring game. I could not continue the last one. It is merely a commercial juggernaut which I would be quite happy as a ps3 owner if it either stalled or went to the 360.

[Greysturm]

Is that at its worst iterations it is way boring and unimpressive (recent examples ff12, ff10-2, ff9) but when done right (latest trend is the first ff on a system) it pushes storytelling, gameplay and graphics of rpgs to new limits which are more than worth the while. (Recent examples ff7 and ff10) so being the first final fantasy developed completely on a next gen platform a lot is expected out of it and by the looks it appears it will acomplish it.

[antoinetm]

Get him!

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

but the particular one for final fantasy 13 and versus uses, the one that uses cg in realtime is only possible to run on a ps3, billions of polygons are on the screen all at once, unless you have a render farm like ps3, you will not have this game, the game will be using 4 spus on the cell, to do this, 180 will not do this, and unless you have about 4 or 5 of the strongest gpus on pc all together you wont be seing this game on pc either, so get that idea gone

[ElementX]

LOL Billions of polygons and render farm.

[DJ]

RSX on its own does around 400~500 million per second, but each SPU can actually push more than that if solely dedicated to vertex functions.

Keep in mind that this is with games running at 30~60 frames per second, with each frame ideally being composed of 4 render passes in order to get 4x MSAA (anti-aliasing).

Killzone is already doing this in order to get the huge poly counts seen in their title.

[jjfunaz]

LOL. FFxiii would run better on a PC then it will a ps3. Games like Crysis aren't coming to the ps3. FFxiii would be able to run on 360 just fine as well (would just be about 12 dvds lol). The massive power of ps3 is marginally if at all better then the 360. This isn't a ps3 vs 360 depate though.

I am eagerly awaiting this game as I think that Square is finally coming close to making a game they have always envisioned that they would. Man I love technology.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Hell, most computers can't even run that thing, at least with a PS3 title ya dont need to worry about Requirements.

also, how many have a ubber fast super computer?, not many, so It'll be better for square not to go that route, so if it comes for the PC, It'll look very much like the PS3 version, either way this game will Rock!

I Heard that FF13 will have over 300 hours playing time...LMAO, if thats true thats one BIG game.

[redninja]

Phew! That's a relief.

[WilliamRLBaker]

so many sonyfanboys say it wont ever EVER come to the 360....yeah if the ps3 doesn't match 13+m sales by the end of 2008...then it will you know it will square doesn't back a losing horse.

will the ps3 get lots of sales? yes...therefor final fantasy 13 will not go to 360, but trying to make out that there would never be a chance that the game would come to 360 is just dense, if the ps3 didn't sell then it would and you know it.....it wont because the ps3 WILL sell but it could.

[ash_divine]

it was a little confusing but I think I get what you mean.

[DRUDOG]

Is that a joke? They're already half way there and we've yet to hit xmas. You're funny...if they get to 13Mil+ PS3 sales by the end of 2008! Maybe you should lay off the sauce or put the crack pipe down, cause you're about an inch away from incoherent.

[theoneandonly]

Give me a break!!!!!

That's like saying trash such as MASS EFFECT 2 will never be on PS3, HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

With the 360 doing increasingly better in Japan and dominating NORTH AMERICA, all you can stick to is a wait and see approach, SQUARE-ENIX could very easily send FF13 in some form to the 360 as WELL any time they chose to do it.

http://translate.google.com...

Also the White Engine platform, is capable of running on PC & PS3 + 360, so at most the game was always simply time exclusive. One thing is guaranteed already, it will arrive on PC.

Whether it arrives elsewhere will depend on the sales of LAST REMNANT which is also on the 360......along with how much $$$$ is being thrown around.

I'm sure SONY has tried DESPARATELY to buy off LOST ODYSSEY, and make that game PS3 exclusive, since these games are easily Sakaguchi & Microsoft's ace in the hole....
http://translate.google.com...

Only problem is, GUNDAM WING INTERNATIONAL is now TIME-EXCLUSIVE to 360 and MORE RPGs are announced for the 360 today & 360 sales continue to do just a bit better in Japan......It won't hold true forever.

http://www.rpgamer.com/news...

The game has CHANGED SONY FANBOYS, because ATLUS just took up an exclusive publishing deal with Microsoft in North America....

If a enormous company like Square-Enix wants a piece of the NORTH AMERICAN PIE, they are going to make a similar partnership........all but GUARANTEEING the Playstation 3 LOSES and painfully....

First, it will be no more than a trickle of wounds. SONY can not do anything now as the HYPE TRAIN for INFINITE UNDISCOVERY & other JAPANESE EXCLUSIVES and EXCLUSIVE RPGs to the 360 has already started in Japan...........Not even 6 billion dollars could take those exclusives away now!!!

http://www.famitsu.com

So it will be a SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW burn, THE LAST REMNANT and LOST ODYSSEY will sell out.........and gradually SQUARE-ENIX will go multiplatform.............And SONY will be left fighting hand over fist to compete in EUROPE....

When the 360 releases its BIG GUNS like FABLE 2 and SPLINTER CELL 5, even GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, SONY may just alltogether LOSE Europe.....
And unless PS3 shoots up to maybe 12 million next year, I HIGHLY DOUBT FF stays on Playstation................... ......IT WILL BE DECIDED BY THE $$$$ WHEN THEY SEND IT MULTIPLATFORM.

Oh no, I'm just saying that because thats how this industry works. NOT because I'm an FF fanatic!!! AHHHHHHHHH THE TRUTH STINGS DON'T IT, SONY DEFENSE BOYS?
>=D

[jjfunaz]

While you make a lot of points, MOST bad, a FEW Good. Its hard to take you seriously with your fanboy spin on everything.

I do agree that FF will come to 360, if and only if, ps3 doesn't have enough of an install base, and even then it will be 6-12 months after the ps3 version, and by that time who cares.

Even that is a HIGHLY unlikely.

[Skerj]

The Internet - Where rumor becomes fact then becomes rumor then is dug up later as fact again.

How many times does something in Japanese gets horribly mistranslated and starts needless flamewars?

[DRUDOG]

And the funny thing is they were basically saying that "development is not stagnating". It can be difficult for people to understand tenses in other languages. It was kind of a hard lesson at times when I was learning Italian.

[ElementX]

I own a PS3 but I won't buy FFXIII. I don't like JRPGS.

[Panthers]

ok

[jjfunaz]

Thank you for contribuiting an insightful and well thoughout statement to the conversation.

[Rybnik]

Why am I not surprised at all...all these VG related rumors are really getting out of control. I Knew this one didn't make sense as EGM reported that the engine is finally now running on PS3..news that now, some month and a half later and development just stalls?? Come on. Next rumor will be MGS4 delayed to 2009 to accommodate 360 release!! RETARDED.

[DRUDOG]

Careful or what you just said will end up on some obscure blog from Pakistan that will translate what you said to mean that MGS4 is now 360 exclusive and is on shelves now...

[jackdoe]

That is interesting. Oh well, whatever. The sooner FFXIII gets in my hands, well actually I am more interested in Versus, the better.

[aiphanes]

This was a gross mistranslation....I am not saying Final Fantasy 13 is going to come out by next christmas 2008...but it might...

[jjfunaz]

Not in america it won't. It would have to come ou in Febuary in Japan for NA to get it by Christmas. I hate how they FF sells more in America, but always gets released 2nd.

[m9105826]

What part of "ONLY ON THE PS3!" at the end of the XIII and Vs.XIII trailers did some of you people not understand?

[Fighter]

They think quality over quantity and the rest of the gaming industry around the world should learn from them. White Engine is designed for the PS3 but they have been able to make another version of the engine for the other consoles but that modified engine is a bit of a downgrade.

[jjfunaz]

I may have to dissagree with you now. Square specifically, does quality over quantity, but Japan as a whole does not. There are MANY MANY ps2 and ds games that are Japan only releases that are utter crap.

For the DS there is a game Balance my Checkbook, come on!!! Not exactly quality there.

[TheMART]

Still it is the WHITE ENGINE. The Engine that runs on PS3, 360 and PC.

The engine that is used in The Last Remnant also. That engine is used for FFXIII, if that engine runs on the 360 also, why would a 3rd party company let go all that sales on the system that has the most users out there?

Only a bag of money from Sony could do the job. As long as they didn't pay off Square Enix, a 360 version is pretty sure to be released.

[fury]

Suck it up Mart. Still jealous, eh?

[PiTCHBLaCK]

doesn't really care about how many XBOX 360's are out there in the world compared to how many PS3's are out there.

I've played Square games from the very beginning, Watched them grow and grow, Square Enix are innovators, they will go with what system has most potential, They use to be Exclusive for nintendo, until N64 came out and it was still cartridge, Square left Nintendo for Sony PS because it was CD, and also Sony allowed more adult rated materiel on it.

Eventualy once Nintendo went CD, Square started making games for them again.

In other words Square Enix will fully support the most capable Console, in this case the PS3 with It's blue-Ray that can hold much more then the 360's platform, even if FF13 came out for the 360 it'll be a downgraded version.

[Foliage]

"Still it is the WHITE ENGINE. The Engine that runs on PS3, 360 and PC.

The engine that is used in The Last Remnant also."

Sorry to burst your little bubble there Mart, but as far as I know "The Last Remnant" is developed on the Unreal Engine. In fact a simple trip to the official website will tell you this. (I attached an image for convenience). The White Engine is Playstation exclusive.

EDIT: http://na.square-enix.com/r...

[Avto]

The Last Remnant runs on Unreal Engine 3 so no WHITE ENGINE or FFXIII on Xbox ha ha!