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Blu-ray holds 90% of market share in Japan, and outselling HD-DVD in EU/US - IFA 2007

Today at IFA press day, the BDA gave a presentation running through the status of operations along with studio bigshots from Disney, Warner Bros and Fox. Here's the rundown on what they said:

- Blu-ray holds 90% market share in Japan for both movies and hardware
- In US Blu-ray has 63% standalone unit market share and over 66% of hi-def disc sales
- 70% of hi-def sales in Europe are Blu-ray with 3:1 ratio over HD DVD

TriggerHappy6083d ago (Edited 6083d ago )

Impressive!. Good news, hope this means this accursed war is finally coming to a close with a victor slowly looming in from the not so distant future.

PS: Mind you, am not saying Blu-ray has won the war, the point am making is that, things are looking really good for them right now.

cuco336083d ago

look at the facts with an unbiased view... HDM (high def movies) make a blip of profit in overall movie sales regardless of where you are. HD DVD has made a big stride in US only and very little in europe and asia (all soon to change)

i'm neutral but will state it'll be years before either camp wins. also note, anything a USA resident preaches about euro or asia should note most films made in those regions don't mean squat since BD is region coded and hence can only play USA titles. like gaming, who cars how sales are in europe or japan. if you are an american, look only at american figures

ktchong6083d ago

considering Paramount/Dreamworks have an 18-month exclusivity contract with HD DVD.

TriggerHappy6083d ago

So basically, their deal is timed ?

Infernus6083d ago

Blu-Ray games are region free. BD aren't region free by default. I could buy a US PS3 game when it comes out and play it on my UK PS3. The only reason I don't do that is because the game comes out just 2 days later over here.

What do you mean sales in Europe and Japan mean squat? There are more regions than just the USA Region 1 you know... The region coding is exactly the same as it was for DVD's in terms of movies. For games there is no region locking and you can moves games around different regions without any problems.

Also, this is global news; not just news for the US. I certainly want to see how Blu-Ray is doing compared to HD-DVD because I want to know what the future holds for movies, games and disc storage media. No I don't have a blu-ray drive built into my computer, the things are expensive, but we should be looking ahead not just looking at the present and the past. Blu-Ray discs have a larger capacity. Single layer BD's are only 5GB smaller than double layer HD-DVD's, with the dual layer BD providing a huge amount of space at 50GB that I don't think games could fill up for many years. Ever heard of a 50GB game? Nah didn't think so, but it's nice to know there's a media that can provide that. Blu-Ray has my support all the way.

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Bloodmask6083d ago

With Bluray sales acounting for about 3 % of total DVD sales worldwide. And HDDVD about 2%. So total HD media sales make up about 5% of the market.

On order for either format to win you would need to achieve at least 51% DVD market share. That won't happen for years.

Most consumers are still buying DVD-9 and will be for quite some time. Get back to me in about 2012.

Bathyj6083d ago

51% would be to win the whole market. BR only has to win the HD movie market.

Once it does, then overall penetration will climb because fence sitters wont be so nervous anymore.

Rageanitus6083d ago

Always trying to downplay blu-ray... and it sad that you bring up the argument of attach rate and stand alone players, but those things are of the past) Hd-dvd is still losing ground.

And to bring up the standard dvd argument.... it is just pathetic. You make it sound like hd movie watching should take over standard dvd immediatly. Sorry but there is the concept of TRANSITION period.

TheFatOne6083d ago

you always have to put down any BD related news, but if it was HD DVD then you would be praising it saying that BD is all but dead. Well it's obvious that BD is winning now, but it will still take a year or two to destroy HD DVD.

Bloodmask6083d ago (Edited 6083d ago )

But that is for the sole purpose of pissing off Sonykids bc they irritate me. Note....not Sony fans, Sony kids.....My above statement is a very logical statement and also very unbiased yet people still disagree with me.

It took many years for DVD to overtake VHS. This format war has basicly just started. When people made the jump to DVD it was a huge uprade from VHS. The only differences this time are the resolution and sound quality. And HDTVs don't even have a mass market penetration yet. Not to mention how many people have the kind of stereo equipment with HDMI outputs to truly take advantage of the sound upgrade yet??

stunt2136083d ago

i dont know what world u live in today but u have to go to a junkyard to find VHS today and no one even watch movies on VHS today because u will never see any new release movies in VHS again.

Rageanitus6083d ago

to me you sound more like a kid who cant afford the luxuries of blu-ray or hd-dvd.

And yes it took many years (~10 years) for dvd to mature.
Whats your point, blu-ray\hd-dvd is progressing just as fast.

hdtvs will also increase in market share. Its not people will not buy them within the next couople of years.

Scrooge6083d ago

I read an article stating that 90% of all BD are played on PS3's. Is this true? If so, would these huge production companies invest their money purely on a demograph that consists of video-gamers? I think the war still has a long way to go.

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The Karate Kid6083d ago

1 year from today there will be nearly 15 Million PS3 consoles sold worldwide which means a whole lot of Blu-Ray movies being sold daily!

3.5 Million in Japan

6 Million North America

4.5 Million Europe

With nearly all the manufacting companies supporting blu-ray the retail will be overloaded with players that is indeed dropping in price every quarter. not to mention a Possible Playstation 3 Price Drop in March 08" and it will be all over for HD-DVD.

Can't even start on all the possible Blu-Ray movies that will drop in Q4 and all the movies that will launch in 2008. My Prediction is that this war will be officially over by X-mas 2008. Just in time for Finding Nemo On Blu-Ray =)

gsx-r6083d ago

your new name should be Toolbox.

neogeo6083d ago

IF the AAA games sell like hotcakes and there is another price cut this year then the war will end very soon.

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7 Iconic Games That Put The PS1 On The Map

The first PlayStation is home to an array of iconic video games that went on to define the sheer significance of this console.

SimpleSlave10h ago

I think from a historical perspective I would change Spyro for Grand Turismo. It's the franchise that made the PS1 look like an absolute unit. Other than that, I can't argue with the rest when it comes to games that defined the PS1.

And to be honest, there should be space for Tekken 3, Wipepout and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater in order to round out the PS1 identity as the machine to own at the time.

With Tomb Raider 2, Silent Hill, Symphony of the Night, Tenchu, and Soul Reaver as backup contenders.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv722d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle2d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga2d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv721d 17h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19921d 12h ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21832d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan2d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit1d 18h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus232d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier1d 12h ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan1d 4h ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1012d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1d 23h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac2d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic2d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1d 23h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein2d ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno2d ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k42d ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson2d ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu2d ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson2d ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -