Exclusively first: Microsoft defends Modern Warfare content

Ars:

"When Microsoft announced that there would be new content coming to Modern Warfare 2-and the Xbox 360 would get it first-gamers had one of two reactions. People with 360s were excited, while other gamers complained that Microsoft seemed to be yet again locking down content by writing large checks. At CES we sat down with Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg, and asked about the business of getting exclusive content."

[yoghurt]

The exclusive DLC didn't work that well for GTA did it? I don't think that system works, because by the time the DLC is released there are better/newer games out. Now i'm not sure what following BFBC has from 360 fans, but in my opinion BFBC is better, so what if everyone ditches MW2 for BFBC time? again, Msft paying for exclusive DLC (first) but not actually making it work that well

Where as Sony focus thier money on 1st party developers and with that we get a constant stream of exclusive games, normally high end games too

maybe I'm wrong - thoughts?

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

No You're not wrong. They dont invest @ the right places. GTA4 DLC was stupid in a way because the content came out about a year after the game came out and the other episode almost 1 1/2 after the original. By the time they got out Nobody really played GTA4 anymore. they could have spent that 50Million(I think) Into making Halo ODST a better game.

but I guess they think they did something good because they made more money then what they Spent on the DLC exclusivity.

[mrv321]

With 50 million they could have get ensemble AND had another exclusive for 2010... maybe even another RTS.

Instead they wasted 50 million on DLC to game many people didn't see as the 10/10's it got EVERYWHERE.

First Party Games are usually superior. Name on incredibly bad game from Sony or Nintendo. I mean c'mon the only game I can think of is Lair which was developed by Factor 5 who aren't a part of Sony.

[Saaking]

I'm a 360 owner, bought MW2 on the 360, and I'm not happy. I want MS to use that money for exclusive games, not crap dlc for one of the most disappointing games of all time.

[umair_s51]

I don't really care about exclusive DLCs especially those that turn out after 1 1/2 year after launch. I'd rather have a full-fledged game.

[heroprotagonist]

Regardless of anything you might say, you can't deny that Modern Warfare 2 was the biggest game of last year (I still can't believe how many people I see playing it online) and getting exclusive content for that game first is a positive bonus for the 360.

We still get plenty of great games on the 360 also, so I don't see the harm in getting exclusive timed content on top of that.

[JokesOnYou]

I'm a 360 owner, bought MW2 on the 360, and I'm very happy. I like how MS is using their money to bring us a ton of great exclusive games in 2010, its nice we get extra dlc on top of that for the best game of 2009.

JOY

[cyborg6971]

Mw2 the best game of 09 that's funny not funny ha ha but re re funny.

[vhero]

The thing is Greenberg is a Map pack won't sell Consoles you idiot!!!! Especially if you announce it AFTER the games already launched and sold over 8 million!

The money they spent on that exclusivity they could have used on a new IP.

[heroicjanitor]

Is that 360 owners got nothing from this, they just delayed the ps3 version. That doesn't benefit the 360 owners , if they made a new game that game wouldn't have existed without them, so that is the best way to help your user base.

[pippoppow]

Ms' MO; Buy exclusive or timed exclusive DLC for high profile games especially with shooting mechanics. It is cheaper than buying/creating studios. Just like how a 3yr warranty is cheaper than a recall. While all companies are out to make money MS gives back the least to their fans. MS realizes that shooter games coupled with x-chat(XBL) is there bread and butter, so they try and get all the shooter centric game content they can.

Now as for Devs releasing exclusive content for a multi-platform title is wrong. Whether it's on a Sony/MS/PC platform, it is turning their back on a segment of their fans. Fans that supported them with millions in sales. Devs that do this lose respect from me and I keep an eye on them in the future. Either support a game 100% or not at all. Greedy SOBs.

[CaptainAmerica]

The thing is Vhero, your the idiot. It was announced way before the game came out. And you guys were pretty happy to get Joker on the PS3 but now when 360 fans get extra exclusive content we are all idiots right? You guys are pathetic.

[beans]

"1.9 - The main thing to me
Is that 360 owners got nothing from this, they just delayed the ps3 version."

Actually 360 gamers get something PS3 fans fail to comprehend. You see we have a choice and will decide will it be worth a purchase or not. You guys don't and will as usual sit here and down play it. This content will make millions and as a matter a fact more than triple the investment made by MS. That money can then be used for additional Live features or games as simple as that.

[slave2Dcontroller]

-@beans

Ok beans lets see.. MW2 DLC< Oh I dunno.. MW2(PS3), GOW Collection(PS3), Demon Souls(PS3), Uncharted2(PS3 AND The real biggest game of 2009 XD), Ratchet & Clank;ACIT(PS3), AC2(PS3), Borderlands(PS3). See what PS3 fans are getting at here beans? its not that we down play these things. We just have ALOT more to play than D..L..C'YA! Have fun beta testin it for us buddy.

[heroprotagonist]

360 owners also have a lot more to play than DLC, but there's nothing wrong with getting a little DLC now is there?

[slave2Dcontroller]

Nah, there isnt but it would be nice if MS started investing in getting more ip's on their console instead of cutting all of these wack side deals. This wouldve only been effective if they had this DLC day 1 of MW2's launch. So whats the benefit here? MS spends millions so 360 gamers get to spend another $10 or $15 to beta test the DLC first? All I'm sayin is MS doesnt need another 2009ish year. The 360 was trash in 2009 and had MW2 not lauched in 09 then WOW! It was indeed The saving grace for the 360 so maybe MS feels they owe Acti a few mill.

[heroicjanitor]

"Actually 360 gamers get something PS3 fans fail to comprehend. You see we have a choice and will decide will it be worth a purchase or not"

That makes so little sense I worry for you. You would've gotten it anyway, all they did is delay the ps3 version. The ps3 version being delayed doesn't affect your "choice" of whether or not to buy it.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

So greenburg is an idiot then?

That star player should be your own exclusive game, nor timed exclusive DlC. Sigh this guy can't be anymore of a moron sometimes.

[ape007]

man that game is amazing, specops on veteran is awesome, mw2 is one of the best games I've ever played, I'v e never been this hooked on a game since gta 3

and about xbox 360 in 2010,it has better game lineup than ps3 both in quality and quantity imo

tbh the xbox 360 is a must have, man crackdown 2, halo reach, splinter cell ,mw2 dlc, alan wake, mass effect 2 and xbox live, don't forget that xbox live makes things better

also on ps3 Im really excited about gow3 and I wanna see agent

2010 is full of amazement, enjoy your time :)

[Persistantthug]

ERROR POST...my bad

Maybe I'll fill this with something else...something fitting and troll worthy since that seems to be fitting and logical around these parts, especially on topics like these.

[hakeem0996]

I think you guys are wrong here, The GTA DLC didnt do extremely great instantly but they did over time.Plus they already made they're money back with the first DLC .all they had to do is sell 2.5 million dlc at 20 bucks.

I agree with everyone who said they should have kept there studios open first party is the way to go .

As far as people b!tch!ng about the guys arrogance ,it's his job.All of them are arrogant MS,Sony aND Nintento ,they have to show tht there products is the best on the market period.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

i think its the other way around. DLC is pointless, and it doesnt sell systems. all it does is fund for PS3 exclusives. for example, 360 owners buy GTA DLC, they are basically funding for: http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

yea, i went that far...

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

It's pretty simple really, instead of arguing about console wars, reality is MS is seizing the opportunity to market their console as the one getting content for the biggest game of last year first.

This re-inforces that the Xbox 360 is the console that gets exclusive content for big games. If you agree or not is another thing, but that is the way MS tries to market it. Most people (unless you select few or fanboys) don't just look for exclusives.

[BattleAxe]

I'll be well into playing other games by the time MW2 DLC actually comes out.

[rezenu]

This exclusive content crap needs to end. Doesn't matter which side does it.

[WildArmed]

As much as I enjoy mw2 (LOVE the spec ops)
I dont think I'll be buying the DLC regardless. DLC (esp. maps) are a waste of money imo.

But I am looking forward to many games that will make me forget about MW2. So forget DLC.
Mass Effect 2, GoW3, heavy rain, Splinter Cell, GT5, Yakuza 3, FFXIII and White Knight Chornicles (HELL YES) in the first half of the year alone!
I always love playing something new over something I've been playing for months. So Mw2 can take a hike after March =p

[pixelsword]

It's not like they made the game exclusive; it's just extra stuff, and it's not even like GTA 4's content which is as far as we know permanently exclusive, it's just temporarily exclusive.

They have to do what they have to do to get people to buy it too; and since they lost almost all of their studios due to closure, it's really the only thing they have other than three to six exclusives that people are looking forward to (depending on who you ask, of course).

I can't hate them for wanting to survive.

[meepmoopmeep]

"This exclusive content crap needs to end. Doesn't matter which side does it."

agreed

[vhero]

@CaptainAmerica you just proved your the idiot along with Greenburg actually as this exclusivity was announced at CES this week and forgive me if I'm wrong but modern warfare came out last year so this was announced AFTER release so get your facts right before you try and be clever. God I hate 360 fanboys you know absolutely nothing. How did you not know Modern Warfare 2 came out on 360 last year and not this week?

[bruddahmanmatt]

Idiot asking the questions should have asked Aaron Fatberg what was going through his mind when he thought throwing cash at a hack developer was a better move than brining in a quality team to develop a fresh new IP. Then he should have proceeded to inform him that the reason MW2 is selling so many more copies on the 360 is because PS3 players have better games to choose from. Sorry but MW2 was a pass for me and many other PS3 gamers because quite frankly, UC2, Demon's Souls and R&C are simply better games.

Paying big money for exclusive DLC early is just as a stupid as paying big money for exclusive games early. We all know they'll eventually make its way to the PS3 so who gives a **** so long as we have other top notch quality games to play in the meantime? If Microsoft wants to continue trying to win folks over with this lazy business practice then they'll need to dole out more cash to make sure that exclusive content stays exclusive. Either that or you know, maybe go out and actually find a few studios worth backing financially to develop some brand new quality IPs for a change. Stupid.

[Bzone24]

Sorry but Captain America is right, you're the idiot. This was announced at e3.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbo...

[BigPenguin]

Why do all the people keep on acting like MS gets all profits from the timed exclusive DLC? The point of the exclusive DLC is to get people to purchase more 360 systems then the PS3. MS does not get 100% of profits in addition to that. MS has to buy DLC because the company's are not first party, and these are multi-plat games, keep that in mind.

[SilentNegotiator]

I think their decision to close Ensemble Studios had nothing to do with money. I think it had more to do with their de-commitment to Windows as a gaming platform (And their continued support for the 360).

Either way, it's a shame. Ensemble Studios made great games (I don't blame them for that shallow Halo RTS....I blame the publisher (MS) for even thinking for a minute that taking them away from AOE to create a halo was a good idea).

Anyway, yipee? Thanks for basically delaying map packs on other systems, microsoft?

[TheDude2dot0]

I really don't understand MS's reasoning for this. They are paying tens of millions just to screw over PS3 owners?

[Elven6]

Pope_John_Paul_II: Where was it stated that the GTA DLC money is/was being used to fund Agent? Given the time the deal was made it could also have paid for the GTA IV development costs (it is the most expensive game ever made at $100 million) or even payback Take Two loans, fund other Take Two projects/studios, etc.

Also keep in mind, a figure was never officially revealed for the exclusivity, the $50 million was something Michael Patcher ball parked.

vHero: The timed 360 exclusive map packs were announced at Microsoft's E3 press conference. They will come to the other platforms eventually.

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

Edit: Also keep in mind that previous Call of Duty DLC's have sold insanely well, especially after MW2 in comparison to a game like GTA IV where DLC was a first for the series and perhaps didn't have the same pull towards DLC as say a multiplayer heavy title like Call of Duty.

[YourCall]

What a big bunch of fkin jealous crybabies. Negative thing about the PS3;Downplay it. Negative thing about the 360; applaud it! Positive thing about the PS3; applaud it and give bubbles to your fellow comrades. Positive thing about the 360; spin it into negative oblivion, claim that Microsoft has opened their wallets, and take bubbles away from anyone that stand against you. This my friends is the CREDE of NG4.

Sometimes I wonder do you guys even remember the sh!t you typed 24 hours prior.

@Saaking - "I'm a 360 owner, bought MW2 on the 360, and I'm not happy. I want MS to use that money for exclusive games, not crap dlc for one of the most disappointing games of all time."

First off if you are a 360 owner, you are also the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen considering that all you ever do is praise the PS3 and hate on the 360. Tell me, why would you buy a console that you hate so much. You're not that guy that calls a girl fat then try to get in her pants when no one is watching are you. I'm afraid you are my friend. What a loser. BTW Saaking, Funny how you think MW2 is the biggest disapointment of all times, yet you just finished playing it 23 minutes ago. It also appears that you are paying for XBL, did you say you wouldn't do that. Owe one more thing, what made you buy Assassins Creed II for the 360 instead of the PS3 being that you hate the 360 so much. There is only one word to discribe someone that would put GOW III FTW as their phrase of the day on XBL. And that word would be "DouchBAGE! What a drama queen.

Either way, it business. Microsoft has their way of doing business as do Sony, so don't hate on one if you're not gonna hate on the other.

[Jaces]

The fact that they spend so many millions of dollars on something that's going to come to the PS3 at a later date is idiotic.

What does it do, honestly? People who bought MW2 for PS3 aren't going to go out and buy it for the 360 for some minor content that's a timed exclusive.

Morons.

[ARBitrator]

Funny how the most narrow minded morons on this site tend to have the most bubbles.

[Pika-pie]

MS needs to invest its money in development studios. Nuff said.

Sony have so many first party games in development, something like 15-20 at the moment.. Why should it care care about timed exclusivity on a dlc map pack

[Guido]

The 360 will never be in first place at the end of each generation. They make poor decisions to buy DLC exclusivity and not put together a better first party dev team to make exclusive games. I would rather them invest money in the games not the DLC.

[Rhythmattic]

As he says...

"I think about it like a sports team, when you sign a star athlete for your team... when you sign that free agent, I think it makes your team better. At the end of the day, we want to turn as many people as possible into Xbox 360 fans."

As for me , I'm a multiple console owner and as such, this business model MS employs has not got 1 cent out of me.. (Actually most their business models - Lotus, Avid, Seattle DOS.... Google it)

So their idea of timed exclusive/DLC t didn't make me buy a 360.. True Exclusives did........ GeoW2.

[Alcon Caper]

vhero, do some research. gawd

[CrippleH]

Exclusive dlc or timed exclusive dlc is ruining gamers choice period. That goes for both consoles but we know the one that pays more often for exclusive dlc.

[heroprotagonist]

But when Sony buys some studio to restrict that studio's content to the Playstation brand, isn't that also "ruining gamer's choice"? It is in fact the use of money to restrict content, that much is not debatable.

After all, I can't get Killzone 2 on the 360, I can only get it on the PS3, and that is because Sony paid MONEY to buy Guerrilla. I fail to see much difference.

[Megaton]

Exclusive games and exclusive DLC are completely different things. All or nothing. You get the full game on one platform, period. With exclusive DLC you get the full game on one platform, and part of the game on another. Pretty basic, really.

I'm against exclusive DLC on all platforms. Fans of the game can't get the full experience just because they don't happen to own console X.

[heroprotagonist]

I don't see how buying a game gives you same unassailable right to any related content down the line.

When you buy something, you are buying that specific thing and nothing more.

Buying a studio is one of the MOST restrictive things a console maker can do, because it is restricting that studios creative output to one console indefinitely, whereas in cases like these the content is only a fragment of that studios total output and will eventually end up on the other consoles anyway.

Microsoft's approach gives independent developers the most flexibility because usually the deals are on a case by case basis. If the partnership isn't working to one of the parties advantage they always have the choice to not work with the other party on the next project or can choose to work with the same party but can come to a better arrangement for the next project.

There are some advantages to the way Sony does it too, but to act like there aren't advantages to Microsoft's approach is simply naive.

[Godmars290]

You're talking about the difference between Sony paying a dev to use their hardware to the fullest where MS is paying for an added segment of a full game that's already released. Limited and timed access at that.

Its literally the difference between MS paying R* $50 million to make a 360-specific GTA or just four bonus missions of a multiplatform release.

[Consoldtobots]

well we know that financially it's an exercise to lock down content for a game that will be OLD NEWS by the time it comes out, so the only other thing motivating MS to keep doing stuff like this is an insatiable need to create the perception that 360 is the console of choice for blockbuster game content.

[Godmars290]

Nevermind that the very act of buying instead of earning such a thing defeats its fundamental purpose.

[m-s-8-2]

I understand why people get all pissy about Microsoft buying dlc exclusivity, but I think they're anger is misdirected. Take it out on Infinity Ward/Activision. They're the ones who made the decision to restrict the content to a certain console for the time being.

"After all, I can't get Killzone 2 on the 360, I can only get it on the PS3, and that is because Sony paid MONEY to buy Guerrilla. I fail to see much difference."

What Sony and Microsoft do are very similar, yet very different. Sony owns the Killzone IP because they funded the development of the game. That happened well before Sony bought Guerilla Games.

[pippoppow]

Agree.
We need to keep an eye on these companies that sell out a segment of their fanbase. They are the true problem.

It's like blaming the other person instead of the person you are with for cheating.

Bethesda, 2k, IW, and Rockstar, EA (mirrors edge), Rocksteady etc need to be looked upon suspiciously whenever a new game is released.

Would be nice for gaming journalist to berate or question them on this practice but we know where their allegiances lay.

[Aquarius]

heroprotagonist You are ONE COMPLETE IDIOT, sorry.

"it is restricting that studios creative output"

Blu-ray and the CellBroadbandengine says HOWDY!!!
_____________________________ _

Is Killzone 2 possible on the 360?
Is Little Big Planet possible on the 360?
Is the Uncharted series possible on the 360?
Is the R&C Future saga possible on the 360?
Is the Motorstorm series possible on the 360?
Is WipEout HD possible on the 360?
Is the Eye of judgment possible on the 360?
Is Heavenly Sword possible on the 360?

HELL is even Flower possible on the 360?

I know they are short phrases but use your head that the good lord gave you. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those games to run on the 360 because the technology inside the 360 and PS3 is worlds apart. ;)
Metaphorically speaking the 360 is like a PS1 compared to the PS3.

"Microsoft's approach gives independent developers the most flexibility"
There has been several times where Microsoft has tried to manipulate devs with their nasty ways.

[cyborg6971]

I wouldn't put blame on the devs but rather on the publisher for this crap. And it is crap on all fronts.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Seriously guys?

So what about Halo and Gears of war? Should I be angry at Microsoft and Bungie and Epic for not making it on the ps3? Should I be mad they limited it to one console?

Exclusive games =/= timed exclusive or exclusive DLC.

Exclusive games are owned by the parent company, and made solely for the one console. You are getting the full game when you buy an exclusive game.
With exclusive DLC you are buying the game, then the developers are sticking their middle finger in your face saying you cannot have this content because your parent company didn't pay for it.

Difference right there.

[Persistantthug]

Because you recognized arguing over game DEVELOPERS and EXCLUSIVE GAMES is an apple and oranges argument to that of EXCLUSIVE DLC.

Thanks for at least TRYING to get everyone back on track.

Unfortunately the "troll-force" runs strong on this topic and the derailing of what should be the actual topic will not be stopped...unfortunately.

Bubble for you though.

[jessupj]

... The difference is sony invests in developers to create NEW games and ADD and GIVE to the industry. MS on the other hand just wave a cheque and say 'don't release this content on the ps3'. They TAKE AWAY from the industry and BlOCK experiences from fans. ACT and IW are just as bad for accepting that cheque and slapping their ps3 customers in the face. Why should I support pricks like that, that are going to do that to my console of choice?

[mrv321]

'I think about it like a sports team, when you sign a star athlete for your team... when you sign that free agent, I think it makes your team better. At the end of the day, we want to turn as many people as possible into Xbox 360 fans.'

Except for the fact this sports team invested all it's money into fixing it's shoddy foundation which caused it's stadium to collapse every once and a while and invested the remainder into 'securing' third party games as 'exclusive' when infact they will still come out for PC... but their exclusive right? WRONG.

How about you turn them into 360 fans by
A) Stop being an arrogant moron
B) Stop closing down studios after they make good games for you
'Ensemble Studios was a video game developer initially established in 1995 as an independent company, but was owned by Microsoft from 2001 to 2009, when it was officially disbanded.' Their game sold 250,000 on the first day in America alone. THAT'S A LOT!
C) Make Some Games. Design them from the ground up to FULLY utilize the hardware.
D) Don't even talk about the competition, shall I tell you why more people like Insomniac BECAUSE they make games they talk about their games and that's it. You not only talk about you 'exclusive' but think it's a good idea to nock the competition.
E)Actually release games this year. All in All their was what 2-3 retail 360 exclusives... sure 2010 looks great, but if this is the pattern(2 year developement cycle) 2011 will be no different.

'and be the exclusive place you can get that downloadable content first, I think that's a big deal.' Yeah because gamers are so impatient they can't wait a month... speaking of which Alan Wake... or two Human, people waited for those PERFECTLY fine. 1 month is nothing with

Uncharted 2, Dragons Age, Mass Effect to name a few. See I am too occupied to not care about 4 maps (probably) at 7.99 or some spec ops.

'That's a big reason you'd want to buy an Xbox 360 instead of another console.'

The big reason to own a 360 is that you get content a bit earlier... now given the choice between

1. Getting content 1 month later or getting great exclusives
2. Getting content on time

I choose 1.

'So we think from a business standpoint that's part of the reason more people are buying the Xbox 360'

Shall we do the math. the 360 has sold 35 million consoles in about 4 years average of 8.75 million a year. The PS3 has sold 27 million in 3 years... 9 million a year.

And what about the Wii... EVERYONE seems to forget the Wii is a Next-gen console. MAYBE because it's outselling them.

'more than two to one our box vs. the PS3.'

Worldwide? Because the US one is roughly that... so I don't know especially considering the PS3 has half the number of units as the 360 in America.

'He points out the "bet" Microsoft put on Modern Warfare 2, by putting out the custom console and showing it off at E3' Plus in all honesty you needed some filler...

[ATi_Elite]

Microsoft is stupid to spend that money for DLC. They already got burned by DLC from Rockstar. (nobody bought it)

They keep saying more people are buying MW2 for the 360 than any other platform. Very true and here is why.

The game was made for the 360
it's the best game on the 360 (LOL)

PC gamers weren't going to buy it because it's a direct port from the 360 and it doesn't utilize any PC features that PC gamers expect, the game is virtual crapware.

The PS3 has way more AAA exclusive titles to play at the moment instead of this crap. PS3 owners are buying Uncharted 2 and having fun

The Wii didn't want this game and can't handle the graphics. Plus there was no role for Mario in the game. (Airport scene maybe)

So instead of waisting money on DLC on a game that is multiplatform Microsoft should be making AAA exclusive titles. Every move Microsoft makes is just shooting themselves in the foot. They are pissing of Xbox 360 fans and PC fans. Thank goodness for VALVE.

[Godmars290]

It would probably help if MS had some solid in-house creativity so they could stop spending all that money outside for content.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

I despise Greenberg more than ever now, he's the type that, if I invited him over to play a game or two, he'd un-RSVP after learning we wouldn't be playing the 360. He goes on to say this ridiculous comment...

"I think about it like a sports team, when you sign a star athlete for your team... when you sign that free agent, I think it makes your team better. At the end of the day, we want to turn as many people as possible into Xbox 360 fans."

If I were to compare the 360 and MW2 exclusivity to a sporting event, I'd think of MW2 as the hottest team right now, with the biggest fanbase. So that would make Microsoft and Sony a stadium for MW2 to play in. Now MS is making MW2 gametime run longer than other stadiums, something that really wont make a difference with Sony gamers.

All in all, my point is, people are fans of the team, not the stadium in which they see em in. MS and AG can force people into their stadium with content and timed-exclusivity, but those of us who live around Sony's stadium will continue to go there.

Mainly because admission is free, and their stadium doesnt randomly close down after long time use.

[heroprotagonist]

Your analogies are all out of whack, but whatever.

Sony says the same kind of stuff and you guys never whisper so much as a peep.

[Godmars290]

No, everyone pretty much points and laughs. Even a few Sony fans.

Here I'm hearing more of a general groan. The praise of the MS cult not included of course.

[rezenu]

And 360 fans are just as guilty as PS3 fans. Seriously? You're both bad!

[kenpachi]

i could less who gets it first i still wont buy it when comes out every were the chances are it will be over priced just like the map packs for modern warfare 1

[mrv321]

chance, CHANCE!!!! There will be no chance as this WILL BE OVERPRICED.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Crackheads are afraid the dealer will run out of crack by the time they get to him.

[ChozenWoan]

Well when a console only has 1-2 games released within the last 2-3 months of a year... each year... people tend to react like crackheads who just got a bird and over dose on the spot.

I'm so glad I get my fix throughout the year, too bad the latest harvest season has left me with too many buds to pick. UC2, Demons Souls, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, and a few others. And thanks to hydroponics, this spring is looking great as well with MAG, Heavy Rain, GoW3, and GT5 just to name a few.

Yep, long gone are the days of playing with a wheel and a stick... a stick.

[RetroPietro]

So that jackass think I am gunna sell my PS3 and go buy teh 360 copy just because the DLC is on xbox first?? what a douche. I would rather decent hardware than some DLC that's gunna cost me £40 a year plus RROD.

[heroprotagonist]

RROD is no longer a notable problem.

In any case, who said anything about selling your PS3? Some of you guys are way too touchy and defensive.

[BX81]

Light'n up on the vag. sauce. Where in the article did he say that consumers were going to sell their PS3 for a 360.

[Foliage]

Right after reading this quote: "So we think from a business standpoint that's part of the reason more people are buying the Xbox 360, more people are on Xbox Live" it became clear that this guy has no grasp on actuality. Why even interview the guy if he has no idea about sales figures, or the amount of users on Live versus PSN?

For those not in the know: The PS3 has been outselling the 360 for a very long period of time. In fact since the launch of the PS3, it has consistently sold more than the 360. Also the PSN has twice as many users as Live.

[starchild]

Then why is the sales gap larger today than it was when the PS3 first came out?

The PSN is filled with tons of repeat accounts. I know for a fact that every single game I play on the 360 has far more players online than the games I play on the PSN. It is glaringly obvious that Xbox Live has far more active users.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

those accounts are not counted by sony.

PSN is not just tied to your PS3 account either, its tied to your PSP as well. and thats set to expand on non-gaming consoles.

[Double Toasted]

are the ones that aren't for MS & the 360...its quite simple.

[gamingisnotacrime]

PS3 gamers:
If you want to get the max out of your PS3 gaming experience rely on PS 1st party and 2nd party studios. 3rd party studios are cashing checks all over the place to cripple the PS3 multiplat experience (Fallout 3 DLC, Oblivion DLC, now this MW2 DLC)
I know some PS3 only owners that are hardcore about MW2, is their main game and to see these behavior from Activision, IW and MS is just dissapointing and disgusting. MS tries to compensate the lack of internal studios by crippling multiplats on the PS3 and that is pathetic. A. Greenburg makes a poor analogy, because athlets are not on both teams at the same time cashing 2 similar checks (MW2 costs $60 in 360 and PS3), according to him is like having K. Bryant on the Lakers, and in the Clippers at the same time but without an arm (crippled). Does not makes sense. I like my 360 a Lot, but this business approach is BS.
PS: I also dislike how 360 owners cant play as the Joker in Batman AA, that is just wrong for Batman fans on the 360 console.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Microsoft's exclusivity usually runs out...

For some odd reason, when Sony does get an exclusive (Joker for example) it usually stays "exclusive".

[heroprotagonist]

Except that Infinity Ward is an independent developer. They can choose to make Modern Warfare 2 simultaneously for both consoles, which they did, or they could have chosen to make it for one console first and then later make it for the other console. They could have also chosen to just make it for one console, for that matter.

The point is that they are an independent business and they have a right and obligation to do whatever they see as best for their business at the time.

Using your logic, it is wrong for companies like Sony to buy studios like Guerrilla because they are preventing their games from being enjoyed by owners of the other consoles. Should Guerrilla not have taken the money from Sony just so they could continue to make games for multiple platforms? I mean, morally that's the right thing to do according to some of you, right? Or should they have made the best decision for themselves as a company and as individuals?

Sony and Microsoft have somewhat different approaches towards getting content on their consoles, but make no mistake, fundamentally they are both using money to get content on their consoles.

[pippoppow]

Yes exclusives are where it's at. Besides being of the highest quality, you know you will not get stiffed by not being able to play additional content you helped finance in the first place.

[ChozenWoan]

I've only bought 4 multiplatfrom games this gen so far.

GTA4... disappointment (only 30% complete)
Assasins Creed... good game
Oblivion:Game of the Year edition... great game
Modern Warfare Game of the Year edition... was cool tell KZ2

In the near future I don't see too many multiplatform games at the top of my must have list. Likely I will get those used and for less than $25 as they tend to drop in price fairly quickly.

[Hades1337]

I think its great to have this exclusive content to hand whether you buy it or not. I didnt buy either of the GTA4 episodes, but for many of my friends it was a big deal. I definitely want the MW2 DLC, a regardless of when it comes and how quickly it comes in relation to other platforms, Microsoft is making a commitment to its customers by bringing us this highly-anticipated DLC either exclusively or for an exclusive period of time. Im paying £40 a year for Xbox Live, and that money has to go somewhere, so I dont think its asking alot to expect these perks for paying a premium service.

[cyborg6971]

Wrong you pay for live because you have to not to secure exclusive content.

[aaronisbla]

you pay MS for xbox live because you are forced to if you wanna game online, simple

[pansenbaer]

Its funny because as long as they keep doing this, the longer I will avoid them, not the other way around. I have a 360, but mostly for exclusives. I haven't touched the thing in over 2 months.

[dragonelite]

The gta 4 dlc on 360 were like 4 single player full games.
But yeah i rather have a new ip and some more games. But i somehow have a feeling that with natal launch we will see some more new ip if there anything for gamers we shall see.

[ActionBastard]

is the stupidest thing I've ever read.

"Hey, look at me! I get to buy DLC first!" Hahahaha

[heroprotagonist]

The only reason you say that is because you are a PS3 owner that gets most things LAST.

[ActionBastard]

No, I say that because I'm a PS3 owner who didn't buy maps for COD4 or WaW and won't buy maps for MW2. Try harder.

[bjornbear]

PS3's gotten GoTY's

360's got DLC's

Hmmm...

[theEnemy]

Exclusive Beta..

;)

[JD_Shadow]

You really need to stop. All you've been doing in this topic is to say how PS3 fans are not considering the buying of studios and the Batman DLC into the equation. And now you just ASSUME that this person is a PS3 fanboy.

Here's the thing: PS3 buying studios also means funding for projects, and that studios only have to worry about one platform for their games. With the Batman DLC, Eidos offered it for free, and it was a small cry from what MS secures with the bucketloads of money that they have. MS requires charging for ALL DLC. And plus, Sony is NOT replacing actual games for DLC. MS apparently IS replacing actual, full games for DLC. They expect us to continue to buy up the Halo games forever and ever for the first party fix. That and you forget that Nintendo has had first parties for YEARS, and you've yet to mention them (then again, God forbid that we mention Nintendo's NAME here on N4G, right?).

Again, you REALLY need to stop this brigade, because it's not helping you any.

[Ninjamonkey82]

Playing in a war that should be equal when it comes to dlc imo. Its sad that a games console can not use all that money to come up with something new for there console rather they would prefer for other gamers to lose out on content for there games. Tbh the likes of Activision should be slaped in the face there with half price sales on all the games that do not contain the content at launch. There has to be a legal loop hole some where that gamers can come back at them from.

[bjornbear]

those guy's in comment's sections that shout "First!" ? xD

on a serious note, meh people who are celebrating this "exclusive DLC" so called "advantage" should ask themselves, "shouldn't I be getting this content along WITH the game?"

I seem to notice people complain about DLC, until it becomes exclusive (or free, but free DLC is a-ok =))

if this is exclusive DLC, its more content, but its also the possibility for the company to extort more cash from an "exclusive" set of people too

[ssbains]

hehe

[Harlequiine]

How is it a system seller that the Xbox 360 gets the DLC first? If I owned a PS3 only, and found out that the DLC for MW2 was coming the Xbox 360 first, I'd still buy it for PS3 and.. be patient! It's not going to be a year or so, like the original BioShock was, I'm guessing about a month, if that. The game is decent, if you like the MP, be happy with the maps you have. I bought it for PS3 over my Xbox 360 because my PS3 is my console of choice, I couldn't give a crap about the DLC being "exclusively first". If they paid IW for that, it was a pretty poor choice.

I refuse to buy MP map DLC anyway, Valve constantly upgrade TF2 on the PC for FREE almost monthly, for a game that now costs $20. We pay $100AUS here for a game, and have to fork out another $15 for 3 more maps? No thank you.

[soup187]

Am I the only one that wants to slap this guys fuking fathead with a backhander?

[TheTruth2009]

1. Judging by 98% of the multiplatform games, XBOX360's version looks and plays MUCH better than the PS3's version.
2. XBOX Live is universally known as being HEAD AND SHOULDERS above PSN.
3. Downloadable Content comes to XBOX360 first, and is exclusive most of the time and/or a timed exclusive.
4. The controller on the XBOX360 is ergonomically sound.
5. The XBOX Live Community is 20 million strong and always has people available for Online Gaming. 200,000 people playing Halo 3 right now. 4,000 people playing Uncharted 2.
6. Almost all XBOX360 exclusives have an Online Feature attached. Unlike its PS3 counterparts.
7. No (or very rarely) patches, load screens, or updates.
8. A headset comes with each XBOX360.

That is all.

Playstation 3 is a BluRay Player.

NO. ONE. CARES.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

The DLC is coming first for the X360 because MS is paying for it not because of the wall of BS that you wrote there. Even Greenberg himself is stating it on the article... Man you're saaaad. And then people say that Sony fanboys are the worst...

[Man_of_the_year]

How is what he said BS? Because he didn't add that maybe MS buys content? He said that DLC is either exclusive or timed exclusive. You agreed with him but added that Greenberg said that MS pays for those exclusive/timed exclusive content. So where is the BS?

The only group of people that get upset about MS "maybe" purchasing DLC for exclusivity/timed exclusivity are those that chose to only purchase a PS3 or choose to purchase multiplats on their PS3 over the 360.

[Aquarius]

Hahahahaha, oh my.

You do realise that's a nursery song don't you.
I keep on hearing that 8 out of 10 times your wearing a headset on P2PLIVE that there is always* children screaming down your ears...now you basically confirmed it. XBL is a children's playground.
Let me finish the rest of the song for you :P

...Head and shoulders, knees and toes
Knees and toes
Knees and toes
Head and shoulders, knees and toes
Eyes, ears, mouth and nose...

...are there tears coming down your eyes truth, you obviously care you twisted idiot.

[Double07]

"The only group of people that get upset about MS "maybe" purchasing DLC for exclusivity/timed exclusivity are those that chose to only purchase a PS3 or choose to purchase multiplats on their PS3 over the 360."

Wow way to generalise there.

I have MW2 on PS3 and dont have a 360 and couldnt give a flying f*ck about the DLC at all. Even if it was fully exclusive to PS3 or the other way around I really wouldnt be bothered. Possibly the most overrated game of all time and the biggest disappointment of 2009.

[topdawg122]

You say Uncharted 2 only has 4,000 people online right now? Surely that's not enough people to find a game. What ever will I do??
/s

[awesomeperson]

"7. No (or very rarely) patches, load screens, or updates."

Wait no patches or updates is a good thing now?

[gameraxis]

aside from your opinions on the the game I MYSELF play the game a lot and I'm pissed that I'll have to wait for the maps... BUT its not going to make me buy a 360 to play them...

there are PLENTY of games to keep me busy, and when it comes, it comes... hell i just bought the socom add on and that took what? a year and a half?

btw, darksiders gets really good if you stick with it, i was having a blast with that game lol

[Godmars290]

Sorry, not to offend, but I'm really tired about hearing about a game, something you do for fun, needing an investment of your time before it actually becomes fun. Seems to be happening far too much this gen.

Nevermind such investments come at $60 a pop.

[gameraxis]

no worries bud, but you may have taken my statement a little out of context...

it was good fun the minute i started the game, but it really ends up turning better than I (or maybe most people) intended once you get into it... but its not great, and that is why i rented it..

I've been playing games for a long time and i know my rentals vs my buys lol

other than that, i totally hear ya, with the exception of demons souls, but i rented bayonetta and darksiders both at once, i played both off and on, and although baynotta's combat and graphics are far superior to that of darksiders... the cheesiness of the game just really really turned me off and i couldn't enjoy the setting i was in. On the other hand darksiders nailed the setting, mythos, and even the voice acting wasn't that bad so I'm surprised to say i like it better than bayontta... go figure

its really a shame (bayonetta), SUCH good fighting, imo just to be wasted in a worthless plot with cheese smeared all over... i wish i could take the production values of bayonetta and apply it to the darksider world lol

[fucadastates]

what the. Cod:MW2 did not sell 2 to 1 on xbox360...
http://www.vgchartz.com/yea...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

as always. the xbox camp lies. like when they call a game exklusiv ;)

[Ether]

"Turn people into 360 fans"

I don't know a SINGLE PS3 owner who has bought a 360 just for timed exclusive DLC. Does he honestly thing DLC is gonna make people change consoles?

[mfwahwah]

Signing on a star athlete? This is closer to how strangers offer young children candy to get in their cars, when they can just get candy from their parents when they get home.

[divideby0]

who really cares....I bought this years game and its the same...camp shoot, move, camp, shoot, move...MP still is boring.
SP is where its at, but this years was terrible..short and was their a story?
let MS write the checks, they will make money on this, but not from me

[sackgirl]

1.) Most people who were interested in MW2, already bought it
2.) I don't think many people will switch console to get a DLC few months earlier.
3.) Paying to have content delayed on the competitor's system is a dirty trick in my opinion. Just 1 step away from paying to have the other console version downgraded.
4.) And yes, Microsoft should make games instead. They can't compete with Sony's exclusives with mutliplatform titles and timed exclusivity.

[iistuii]

I thought you hated MW2, so it wont matter that the 360 get's the maps 1st then does it. Or is it secretly your all playing it and will be gutted deep down. Well someone must be playing it as its the most played online title on the PSN.

[mfwahwah]

This isn't necessarily about Modern Warfare 2. Some people look at the Microsoft aspect of this article.

[gameman]

it's only timed you know

[slave2Dcontroller]

post!

[makingdamage]

Great example of how MS is bullying people. For the 360 owners there are no gain in this action, they would have got it even if it wasn´t a time exclusive. To me it sounds strange that a company have a business plan to bullying people. It´s just stupid, I´d never buy a 360 because of this, it shows that MS doesnt care about there costumers, if they were, they would have spend that money on things that actually would benefit the 360 owners instead.

[taylork37]

Bullying??????

Yeah that huge check they get is surely an act of bullying.

Get real.

[Shendow]

The only time I think DLC is really needed is for the good RPG games, other then that its a waste of money and time.

As to paying for DLC, I'm happy to get more of the DLC free on the PSN and for the ones that cost, well I get them when I got some left over money to put to it. 508 things I have downloaded from the PSN and more then half didn't cost me a thing.

[Darrius Cole]

So let me get this right...This guy is contemplating buying a 360 because his PS3 broke. That's gotta be a joke.

Any one or any article that attempts to compare 360 failure rates to PS3 failure rates is attempting to distort the truth. That is because the failure rate of the 360 is so high that the machines are not even in the same league in this regard. Simply comparing them without stating that fact is lying by implication.

I don't know a person who had a 360 last for 2 years. Among 1 year 360 owners, I don't know a person that is still using his first one. Since I bought my PS3 (Nov. 2007) all of my 360 friends have replaced their 360's; some have replaced it twice.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Whine some more droids

[gamer22]

Droids = Nintendo fanboys, (Nintendroids)

Really does show how much you really don't know!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

nice try droid

[JP177]

Exclusive DLC for the most hyped game ever , sad part , this game is far from great ...

[peeps]

it's called business...

[jessupj]

I'm getting really sick of the close minded fanboys that hide behind the "it's just business", "you think sony don't want to make a profit?".

Following that same logic I could be in the mafia and have to kill off a few rivals. But it's just business right? right? Doesn't matter if I cheat, lie, propogate, gate keep, block, it's just bunisness right?

Think before you say such a close minded statement.

[percephone]

What gets me is that IW is the one that said "That they didn't want to split the community" when they gimped the PC version of MW2.

Now they turn around and offer exclusive DLC on one platform?

[Major Kanimo]

are willing to pay for better gaming

[jessupj]

Uncharted 2, amoung manny ,others says hello

[mrblacknut]

LOl

Half of you butt hurt over DLC that half the time you complain about DLC, brag about it being on the PS3 which is funny how none of these comments come up when the PS3 gets DLC like this. Then use it to claim MS has no money for exclusives. MS doesn't need exclusives and if they did why does the system still sale. Why did the system still outsell the PS3 for NPD in November? Who knows this buisness better than MS, Sony and Nintendo? If the roles were reverse it is clear non of these comments would have happened.

Exclusives for fanboys has turned into nothing but bragging rights for games we are all supposed choose if we want to play them. You fanboys don't even buy games and if you dual console owners complaining are a complete joke. Why would it matter if one game or DLC is exclusive to one system if you own both systems. If you are among people complaining vs a single owner of one of the consoles then the companies won't ever be able to satisfy. I have a PS3 and 360 and I don't get how anyone who owns both would spend time complaining about what system doesn't have this and that if YOU OWN BOTH. I mean seriously lol.

[Cobex]

you don't honestly see why? Think past the whole fanboy thing and actually think on the gaming community as a whole. Bringing politics and signing cheques into game developers on the whole is a bad idea. It basically makes the dev more interested in money then making great games altogether.

I'm not saying MW2 was a bad game in any sense but the price tag was cheeky as f*ck. It was practically saying "are game is better than any others so we can charge more".

(main point) *If they were going to make a hugh commitment to gamers by releasing loads of updates and new goodies for a reasonable price then thats fine by me. It shows their dedication. However that is obviously not the case. Infact they want to fob off a massive branch of players just to line there pockets.*

I love the 360 and and think its brill. I just cant stand MS in any sense.

[Mikeyy]

Dear microsoft, Use the Money to get 1st party studios.

Its sad when almost all your exclusives are from 3rd party developers, whom you probally had to do a lot of convincing to even get them to go exclusive.

[mrblacknut]

Because clearly that has helped Sony in the last 3 years.

[starchild]

When you waste all your money just buying up studios like Sony does then you are stuck with them even if their games are mediocre. On the other hand you can always be working with the top developers in the industry and making deals on a game by game basis if you choose to invest your money that way. Microsoft can stay more nimble on its feet and adapt to the changing gaming climate better.

[Shmotz]

One mediocre first party Sony game other than Lair.

[The Maxx]

Zipper - Socom and soon to be M.A.G (sorry but i just finised playing the BETA and it is really really bad.)

[pansenbaer]

1st of all, Slant Six isn't owned by Sony and they were the ones behind Confrontation.
2nd of all, Confrontation isn't a mediocre game. It was a game with a rough start that has been patch to completion and has had more support than most games this generation.
3rd of all, Zipper has always been spot on with their SOCOM games and I have no doubt that MAG will be a good game. Will it be a AAA, home-run exclusive? Maybe not.
Point is, Sony First Party studios rarely put out mediocre exclusives.

[The Maxx]

You want a longer list of mediocre first party Sony games other than Lair? There are plenty 1st party mediocre games by Sony.

Don't be so blind.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Not every 1st party game are guaranteed heavy hitters by MS or Sony. Only blind fanboys think every exclusive/1st party games are AAA which just isn't the case.

[pansenbaer]

Ha, so you send me a link to the PS3 site of Metacritic? How does that prove anything? Are all those games first party? How about this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony's first and second party studios and the games they make. Like I said, they RARELY put out mediocre titles.

Compare that to Microsoft's first party titles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

You basically have Fable, several Rare games, and Forza. Most great games, but I would hardly say Sony is wasting their money buying studios.

[The Maxx]

That link was provided to you as a stepping stone where you can start your research.

Start by looking at the Meta scores for games done by Sony and then cross reference the company that developed the game.

"Sony's first and second party studios and the games they make. Like I said, they RARELY put out mediocre titles." - so now it's RARELY huh when Shmotz said:

"Name Me One mediocre first party Sony game other than Lair." - which is the question that i responded too.

But now you are saying "RARELY" which means there are more than 1. I agree Sony has put out some great games this gen but don't go fooling yourself thinking SONY only puts out AAA titles cause they don't, "RARELY or not".

And why are you bringing in MS? This is a conversation about Sony. MS has nothing to do with this. Just because a 1st party game is released doesn't mean it's an automatic AAA game. MS or Sony.

But please don't make this a MS vs. Sony conversation. I am done with you if you even try. This is Sony and Sony alone as per the original question that i answered. Don't get your Sony Defensivness all up in a bunch.

[BigPenguin]

The guy told you name games, you have not. You have waffled at each post, and merely provided a link to a site, and told him to do it. You did all of this while still insulting him, and asserting you are correct. You insist as well that you answered him.

""Name Me One mediocre first party Sony game other than Lair." - which is the question that i responded too. " You did not respond to it at all.

I call you out. Telling him to do it, when he is taking the other side is insane. You only need to get one, he would need to look at every game ever released on the system to get his side confirmed, and I have a feeling even then you would still insist you were correct.

EDIT: as said, you were wrong about zipper and socom, mag is not out yet, and as you said, its still in beta.

[pansenbaer]

Why am I the one that has to do the research? Like penguin said, the question, "Name a first party game that was mediocre, other than Lair" has been dodged. The only one you named was MAG and it isn't even out yet.

I'm the one that said rarely, not Shmotz. Never doesn't leave any room for error so it would be silly to use that word. Plus, he never stated that they NEVER made a bad title, he asked for someone to name one.

This whole debate started with Microsoft if you look at the top...

"Dear microsoft, Use the Money to get 1st party studios.

Its sad when almost all your exclusives are from 3rd party developers, whom you probally had to do a lot of convincing to even get them to go exclusive."

Followed by this:

"Because clearly that has helped Sony in the last 3 years."

And this:

"When you waste all your money just buying up studios like Sony does then you are stuck with them even if their games are mediocre. On the other hand you can always be working with the top developers in the industry and making deals on a game by game basis if you choose to invest your money that way. Microsoft can stay more nimble on its feet and adapt to the changing gaming climate better."

So it is very much about both companies and how they spend their money. I wasn't getting defensive about Sony, I was merely stating that their use of money for studios has, I think, benefited them more than Microsoft's use of money for exclusive DLC.

[Justin_bristoe]

modern warfare will be history on the psn soon. we're going to be raining games for 40 days and forty nights again this year.buy the time that that ms money dries up at activision theyll be lucky if that dlc gets one sale off the psn. HAHAHAHA

[starchild]

Few good games.

Anyway, MW2 is a great game. Quit hating it just because not as many people play it on the PS3 as the 360.

[abc1233]

oh please, why must you relate everything back to 360 VS ps3?

mw2 is a pretty good game, the multiplayer will probably keep me occupied for quite a while, but anyone can see that it didn't live up to the hype and is really overrated, especially when you compare it to games like uncharted 2.

[rbluetank]

the sales for GTA4 would have been better if they sold it right away why the hpye was high on both sytems. this just shows everybody that M$oft is a mplate/dlc/ based company. i hope actupvision do not reach their sales goal for this dlc of mw glitch 2...

[leafnation]

2 to 1? Its 8 mil for the box and 6 mil for the PS3......why would anybody owning a PS3 purchase a box just for exclusive content that will be available for their system anyway? Probably a month later too. HURTING MICROSOFT Thank god this company is mega loaded or else they would be broke with all the useless spending they do just to keep the box ALIVE.

[DJ]

If it was exclusive, FREE DLC, i'd be a little irked. But Microsoft has been making countless "Exclusive DLC" deals for the past three years. Though these deals haven't had any noticeable benefits for the Xbox 360 itself, at least the huge monetary payments are keeping developers financially healthy.

[kvg88]

I'm sorry, but you just made me laugh...

Do you ever notice how the Only on XBOX 360 logo has little to no value to gamers anymore, because their so called exclusives always show up on other platforms? If they were first party games, their wouldn't be a chance of this happening.

now look at the only on playstation logo, how many games have ever jumped shipped to another system with that logo on it? None, zilch, ZERO - that's because it is usually only found on 1st party games, or IPs that sony actually owns.

Buying studios is smart because it guarantees you exclusive experiences, 3rd party exclusives are a thing of the past and are severely dying out.

[Stationfan]

Pathetic how your live subscription only nets you exclusive dlc, while my Sony membership nets me a wide variety of new and old exclusives mostly all AAA. Now tell me who got the better bargain.

[Dorwrath]

I don't mind DLC when it comes to games like Fallout 3.

Couldn't care about DLC maps for MW2 at all. Theres a choice to by or to not. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

I would object strongly if a campaign for example was release far shorter than it should be so campaign extension DLC can be released in the future.

Funny how when there is DLC tied to the PS3 everyone here is gloating about it, yet when Microsoft do it, its a crime.

[bunfighterii]

I want DLC for MW2- I'm sick of the maps. I share my time between this game and Uncharted 2 at the moment.

I think you'd still be hard pressed to find a shooter as fun as MW is online.

[Karum]

Timed exclusive DLC won't sell consoles.

What it will do is perhaps convince people that own multiple platforms to buy a game on the 260 if they know ahead of time the 360 will have timed exclusivity on any DLC.

Which brings me to my point. Why oh why MS would you state the reasons you did for getting this timed exclusive DLC yet only announce it well after the game has released and has already sold the majority of it's lifetime sales? It makes absolutely no sense.

The logic here is very confusing. Had they made this announcement a couple of months ago and advertised that it would have the DLC first then it would have made sense....but like this it's just stupid.

[spektical]

to those saying RROD isnt a notable problem, WTF are you talking about. my friends box RROD on him yesterday, my other friend from skool bought a ps3 cause his bricked also, and my schools xbox work division at ISB 120 had all 10 360's brick on them because they wer workin on machine code. so much for investing in pieces of crap. jump out, play beyond.

[dkgshiz]

CODMW2 is a buggy mess.

[Soldierone]

Microsoft doesnt care about gamers, they need to keep signing large checks to companies to get exclusive content. Yet Sony gets it free of charge because companies just want to make GOOD GAMES. Doesnt matter, dont care about MW2 content anyways. LETS BRING MOH!

[ReBurn]

I really don't care if Microsoft buys exclusivity. If they feel that's what will keep them competitive then so be it. Just because Sony refuses to do it doesn't make it wrong. It just makes Sony lose exclusives.

[The Iron Sheik]

Timed exclusive DLC for a game I don't even want to play online any more. Yeah what a coup for M$ you guys should be really proud.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Business.

[Silent]

CODMW2 is full of crap every week theres new glitches. WTF!! I wouldnt want the DLC anyways. Need to fix all the problems first.

[Hidden Star]

Greenberg talks about Microsoft's line-up of exclusive content this year as being incredibly strong. "And then to say, on top of that, to take the biggest game of last year, and be the exclusive place you can get that downloadable content first, I think that's a big deal. That's a big reason you'd want to buy an Xbox 360 instead of another console. So we think from a business standpoint that's part of the reason more people are buying the Xbox 360, more people are on Xbox Live, it's part of the reason more people are buying Modern Warfare 2—more than two to one our box vs. the PS3."

LOL so you're saying I should buy a 360 because the MW2 downloadable content will come to 360 first? But I have to pay for that content right? I don't see your logic there Greenburg.

EDIT: This guy cannot have an interview with anyone without saying PS3. Just like Broly "Kakarott, Kakarott, Kakarott". Like WTF!

[Ps_alm3k]

they could have bought devs with those money they be sending out.

[r3xmund1]

I hate his pudgy kuhntee face
i hate his 8 chins
i hate his stupid press release mumbo jumbo
i hate his cheap shirts
i hate Aaron Greenberg...

[phantomexe]

I don't really care to tell you all the truth i play uncharted 2 more then MW2.The online is so much better ,MW2 was great but it buy no means beats uncharted.Enjoy your DLC content xbox fans its a shame you can't play uncharted 2.

[N4BmpS]

Yeah I play Uncharted 2 more as well, they seem more organized. I like MW2, though I never played it online.

[bunfighterii]

If this was announced when Modern Warfare came out it would have made a bigger difference. But right now, myself, and all of my friends have the PS3 version so its not suddenly going to make me go buy it for Xbox.

I think the strategy of exclusive DLC though still has something going for it- for example Batman: Arkham Asylum on PS3 outdid the 360 version because of DLC. That exclusive DLC also launched with the game- so you could get it as soon as you got the game. The sore point is MS announced this MW thing way too late- these days 2 months after a game comes out is too late.

With GTA, I would have got it on 360 if the episodes came out within 6 months of the game dropping, but like everyone else I'd stopped playing GTA by the time the episodes came out, and so had everyone else. As my 'main' console, I usually get everything on PS3, unless there's a blatant reason not too- which usually in the past has meant poor quality ports for PS3.

If you want people to see the benefit of exclusive DLC, you need to be able to see the benefit right away- not months (or a year) for it.

[Obama]

Greenburg should shut up and stick to doing what he does best - eating cheeseburgers.

[MonHun]

Writing cheques, thats all Micro$$$$oft can do to get exclusives.

[Gambit07]

I've never baught DLC anyway.

[N4BmpS]

If anything uhh Greensberg? Is that his name? yeah he sorta/kinda proved that Microsoft is throwing their money around, to get people into buying their game console. But to be fair MS is just doing business, although cheating gamers out of possible fun is never nice. The gamers who loved MW2, that have a PS3 will have to wait; something about that doesn't seem...right, morally speaking. If MS isn't giving IW money then that means that IW is playing favorites so which is it IW. Money or are you guys Bias? Either way your committed fans suffer.

[BLADE_X8]

There's really no sense of banging on Microsoft about this anymore. It's become quite obvious that the practice of buying up exclusive content is how they want to beat out the competition. MS is known for it's software, but want to try their hand at video game stuff. The name of the game (In bussiness) is to make money, in the most efficient, dominating way possible.

I'm a gaming fan. And, like most gaming fans, I tend to used my heart in discussions like these...forgeting that for most companies/bussiness, it just for profit. I look at Sony like Mark Cuban (Dallas Mavs B.ball owner), a guy that spends big, but also takes care of his fans and players. Most other gaming companies are like the Ford Family (Detroit Lions owners), who just look at the dollars...not really trying to improve. Al the logic is up to each individual company, and people should just understand that honor is dead. Microsoft may be the Evil Empire in video games, but a lot of shady companies are out there. (Oil, politicians, guns, ect...) If MS would be honorable, and earn their stripes in the game biz....maybe they feel that they would lose money, and the gaming respect. However, what they are doing is legal...no matter what we hate about it. Xbox 360's are flying off store shelves (I don't have one), so all MS needs to be worried about are Xbox 360 customers. All this shady stuff will end, as soon as the gamers decide that they are done paying. MS isn't making people buy their product, it's up to gamers wanting to pay. (I have no intentions on paying XBL and DLC stuff...but I believe that people have the right to choose what they want.)

[SnukaTheMan]

There was not this much complaints when batman had exclusive levels and a totally different way to play....AND...they did manage to get the upper hand on sales of the game for ps3...and i disagree on the xbox 360 exclusive missions for grand theft auto being flops.

[BLADE_X8]

MS was approached for exclusive content. It was shown that they turned away because the payout was not lucrative enough for them. the only games that are targeted are the mega triple A titles. DICE even confirmed that MS jumped to them at first, but then decided that Modern Warfare 2 was much better for them. (That is actually some of the "BEEF" between IW and DICE. DICE makes fun of IW all the time, commenting on how IW was stealing a lot of their ideas for MW2.)

[gameman]

you know that fat bot Greenburg he never shut up when any good news comes to sony he park like a dog trying to do something too bad for him that it's not and don't blame him after all this is the dlcbox3fixme

[glennc]

this is not as bad as witholding a full game release to a specific region because you can't don't have the rights to do the whole world like sony and ghostbusters. PS3 owners please STFU. sony's motives and actions are the same. these companies are all alike and you are blind, immature or extremely dumb if you disagree.

the problem for me is the game was just really average just like GTA4 and as such will not be giving anymore of my money to this lazyass developer when bad company 2 will be taking up all my online gaming time anyway.

[Cobex]

Dont just jump to thinking its just ps3 owners kicking off about this. As i said in another reply.

Bringing politics and signing cheques into game developers on the whole is a bad idea. It basically makes the dev more interested in money then making great games altogether.

I'm not saying MW2 was a bad game in any sense but the price tag was cheeky as f*ck. It was practically saying "are game is better than any others so we can charge more"

If they were going to make a hugh commitment to gamers by releasing loads of updates and new goodies for a reasonable price then thats fine by me. It shows their dedication. However that is obviously not the case. Infact they want to fob off a massive branch of players just to line there pockets.

[taylork37]

Its a simple as supply and demand.

Millions of people want it and will buy it...so they will charge whatever they would like for it.

[Cobex]

I agree with you but cutting down user base might not be the most profitable idea for current or future games. The reason i think this is because its only this generation where we have the certain ppl known as fanboys.
I know that sounds abit odd but i heard from plenty of ppl where i work, that they wont be buying FF13 new but preowned. This is mainly due the the reason of Square going over to MS.

Sad as f*ck but this is where the cash comes from.

[napoleon_ist]

i don't care about add-on for an fps, exclusivity matters with games. and this happens on PS3 with tons of games coming this year so STFU.

[Rowsdower]

half of you say you hate mw2 so what do you care? As a snooty owner of both consoles I am once again shown the reason that I go 360 with my multiplats and exclusives, and Sony just for exclusives. Like usual I'm a happy camper.

[taylork37]

i completely agree...bubbles

[BLADE_X8]

It's your money, so do what you want with it. I am no fanboy, but I do call out shady practice...no mater if it's Sony, MS, or ESPN. It's cool for you to own 2 systems, but please tell me that you do know why you are? (I have been reading a lot of your comments, and you seem like a very bright gamer.)

Fanboys are out of control, but they also deserve credit too. MS fans don't like to hear rival fanboys on the other side of the road, calling out their King. I respect fanboys, because they are the REAL HARDCORE gamers. what is missed in these battles are the simple facts that companies don't care about loyalty, honor, and respect. Again Rowsdower, I respect you choice (And you should have it), but companies like MS and Infinity Ward makes a killing of your logic. The PS3 may not be the best system out there, but I hope that you are not thinking that MS didn't cover the same scenarios and options as Sony. (In terms of next generation gaming/multi media) DVD-9 is crap, and either Blu ray or HD-DVD should have been on the 360. DLC only exist because of the excuse of storage/processing limitation, which DVD-9 is known for. MS is not trying to make stuff better for gamers...when you got idiots, that will keep buying old Halo technology. (Halo is a great game, but the tech. is very old!) There is no HD-DVD because unlike Sony, MS did not want to go through early losses...like the 1st Xbox unit. It's quite clear that MS is hurting the industry in terms of advancement, and most fanboys (FROM BOTH SIDES KNOWS THIS.)

I choose not to by a 360, but if the next man/women want multiple systems....and that's fine. (YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR CHOICE) But please, don't try to act like your not being forced to "Grab YOur Ankles", with all this money grubbing by MS. How many times have you heard MS, PC, and Sony fanboys hate on Nintendo? because NIntendo is the most honorable of the 4 giants, THAT'S WHy! Watch how much MS charges for the Natal system/bundle, WITH THE OLD DVD-9 LIMITED DISK AND OLDER GRAPHICS...then they pay Best Buy to promote the 360 as next generation, and hype multiplats as exclusives...because of some cheap DLC security. (It's a joke, and you know it.)

[Cobex]

I take my hat off to you sir.

[Rowsdower]

I like playing video games with my friends. That is it. You want to over complicate things go ahead, but at the end of the day while some folks here are arguing over whose toy is better, I'm playing and having fun.

Not saying your points have no merit, I'm just saying I dont care.

saying that I'm allowing a company to f*ck me in the ass is a little much, but I'm guessing that metaphors are hard to come by these days.

[Cobex]

I think thats the point. You play games to have fun. I don't think you or i would be happy if we get charged more to get less content.

If ppl don't look into this sort of thing then i could imagine more developers charging more for less game content. That = less fun to me.

[taylork37]

I just think that some people compare Sony and MS in the wrong ways.

The 360 is in a different situation that the PS3. The PS3 is still an "underdog," so they are a lot more limited on what they can do and what they can charge the users.

Take for instance Live and PSN. You can go f*ck right off if you believe that Sony wouldn't rather be charging for PSN instead of getting nothing for it. But, they can't because they are playing "catch up" and they know that they are not quite on the same level as Live. With that said, people still say that MS is greedy because Sony fell behind and was unable to realistically charge for their service while Live has been out for 6 years and has not increased the price ONCE.

The same goes with other things that MS charges for. Sony is simply not in a position to charge. In fact, they are still eating money every time a PS3 is made and sold.

To sum it up, you cannot say that MS is screwing people over just because you are comparing it to Sony. I'm also not trying to say that MS is not doing some things wrong, but when it comes to this specific topic I think there is misplaced judgment.

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@Blade_X8

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are saying that MS has DLC because there is not a larger disc for them to include more content. If that is what you are saying then I disagree with part of what you say. There is obviously more room to put more content on an HD-DVD disc so I think you are saying that instead of having DLC you could have more content. What about future DLC that is not developed until a year after the game comes out. For example, the map packs and Zombie map DLC for COD:World at War.

What I'm basically saying is, by getting rid of those storage limitations you may have more content on a disc to begin with, but money is money. They are going to come out with DLC even if they have more content in the original game.

[BLADE_X8]

If all of the gaming community wanted DLC stuff, they would just need to pay for it. I'm not a MS hater, but the fact is this: MS knew that some sort HD DVD device was inevitable and necessary, to push "real" HD gaming. (I know I don't work for them, but you don't have to live on video game websites to understand evolution of electronics, because it's all around us.) So the real question is, Why is there DLC in the 1st place? The answer is really quite simple.

Aaron Greenberg (And the MS games division) are not idiots. I don't need to make this an "I hate Microsoft thing", because this shady stuff happens among all the video game titans. Gamers sat back and ate the excuses Nintendo had for holding back North American Wii systems (At launch), PS3 loyalist (Like myself) ate up the $600 PS3 launch, Iphone nerds bought the over priced phone, and so on. Now, Aaron Greenberg says that DLC is a matter of competition, and he's right. However, people who think like this pays no attention to fanboys. You see people, fanboys are very loyal and usually, they are the No. 1 customer. (Like Red Sox/Yankee fans....who fly all over the country for their team.) companies like MS main focus in on casual gamers....you know, the rich people, that buys their kids everything. (Causal fans....known as "Fair Weather" fans, is how business survive.) Aaron Greenberg had no intention on advising MS to drop the inferior DVD-9 for a bigger disk...THAT WOULD BE F-ING DUMB FOR NOT ONLY HIS JOB, BUT THE COMPANY AS WELL!! DLC can exist on a smaller DVD, leaving shady developers like Infinity Ward the excuse to not complete a game. (thus introducing DLC crap...UNDERSTAND??) Forza 3, Halo: ODST and GTA should have been given HD-DVD/Blu Ray treatment.....like Uncharted 2 and MGS4. There are 2 disk for Forza 3 & Halo: ODST (Deleted scenes from Halo 3 really) because their developers knew that what they wanted to do required MORE SPACE! MS blocked that, because they know people are going to pay EXTRA for what they should have already received. Fanboys see this stuff and get pissed....well, at least the ones that don't a 360. This stuff is visa versa for 360, Wii, and PC fans...who see the other companies doing shady stuff also. It is just that MS is doing a lot more dirt, so their closet is raided more often.

[sofocado]

"The exclusive DLC didn't work that well for GTA did it? I don't think that system works"

It did not work? where do you get your info? If it did not work, why are MS is doing it again? I think it is working for them and for us gamers. We will continue getting DLC by MS and Sony.

[hoops]

So whats so wrong with DLC? You have the choice to buy it or not. That's a lot better then NOT having a choice.
I wonder if this content came to the PS3 version how some of you would be reacting.......

[dredgewalker]

Will someone please educate this douche on what "exclusive" means. Im not even American, i also suck at english most of the time but i do know the meaning of the word.