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Xbox Claims Console Market Growth Is Stagnant Since 6 Years, Discusses Call Of Duty On Game Pass

Microsoft has shared plans regarding bringing the Call of Duty series to Xbox Game Pass & has shared some insight on the console market.

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Kornholic96d ago

Since Xbox Series console sales are even weaker than Xbox One's, stagnant is a bit misleading - it's shrinking!

VenomUK96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

Nintendo would disagree with him, over the last six years it’s had fantastic growth both with Switch hardware and software.

Sony would disagree with him, it launched a new console during the pandemic and eventually got it leading the market in new sales and its subscription service and multi platform game sales are thriving on PS5.

It seems like Phil Spencer is reflecting on stagnant sales of the company he has led for a decade and is disingenuously projecting its failings as a comment on the state of the entire home console industry.

crazyCoconuts96d ago

Technically growing at a slower rate

--Onilink--96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

By that argument, every single Sony and Nintendo console have sold less than the PS2 and DS so they are also shrinking…

I really dont understand why people here keep saying that Nintendo and Sony are proof what he is saying is wrong, both companies most successful devices are 20 years old, and considering that the DS came out at practically the same time as the the Wii, the Switch basically has to compete against both

Assuming the PS5 is literally at the half way point and Sony is already starting to reduce sales forecasts, its likely to at best do around the same numbers as PS4, which are great sales numbers, but not showing growth in market size, if anything, if Xbox is selling less than last gen and Sony sells the same, again they actually failed to capture that market Xbox lost

Yes, Xbox as a brand to sell consoles has gone downhill and they have been terrible at it since the 360 gen ended, but everyone else is literally selling the same or even less consoles than they were 20 years ago, its literally what a stagnant market is…

Software sales are not quite the same as the console side, though given how expensive games have become, being a million seller is usually not enough anymore anyway

peppeaccardo96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

When a company has no vision and the only matter of interest is profit, all the moves it makes are NOT for the players nor for the evolution of the industry, They have played it safe and brought no innovation and relied exclusivelly on a lame subscription model that is backfiring on them on all directions. Typical american corporate greed !

Shikoku96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

That's is on purpose no matter what Spencer says about being committed to "physical media" the CEO of MS has stated the company wants all of it's properties in the cloud and they want every thing digital because then it's a subscription service not ownership. It's a corporate mandate and he just like the Wins team have to comply with the corporate vision. So its by design, this so all to push people further and further to digital only. Mattrick tried it too fast and this is slow death by a thousand cuts. They bought all those studios to bolster game pass not so they could be multiplatform. The multiplatform is so the FTC and others don't claim monopoly on them.

StormSnooper96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

I’m not sure why Xbox fans don’t demand that MS have a VR headset. It’s so strange.

Come to think of it, it’s a sign that MS wants out of console market and into service only future. In the past, this would have been blasphemy to console gaming players…

Einhander197296d ago

It's not profit that drives them, it's control, they want to control gaming the way they control PC.

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EvertonFC96d ago

I'm Pro playstation as many on here know but laden and Andrew's both said the same.

1Victor96d ago

“SURPRISE “ said no one after reading this
“Spencer mentioned that Microsoft’s intent is to have the full portfolio of games from ZeniMax, Activision Blizzard and Xbox Game Studios day one on its premium subscription service”
Another 180* turn or does that means CoD on PlayStation+ premium day one “free” as well 😱.
A billion dollars franchise dropping to a few millions, this will be the final nail in the eyes of the all powerful investors.

ChasterMies96d ago

A lot of folks like to point to Nintendo as a sign of growth but Nintendo only has one console now compared to two back in the Wii / DS days. Overall, Nintendo is selling 100M fewer units than a couple of generations ago.

PS5 is growing marketshare at the apparent expense of Xbox. Overall the number of potential PS5 and Xbox owners has not increased in the last two generations.

Software_Lover96d ago

I don't think you know what growth means.

porkChop96d ago

Nah, he's not wrong. Though it's been longer than 6 years. The console market has been comprised of roughly 200-250 million gamers for decades. It hasn't actually grown at all. Market share between the 3 manufacturers change but the overall size of the pie is still the same.

shinoff218396d ago

Mnot back in the ps2 Era. Under 200 mill for the 360 ps3 wii Era also.

porkChop96d ago

The PS3, 360, and Wii totalled out to around 275 million units. Considering the 360s RROD and PS3s YLOD and accounting for replacing broken systems, that would still be in the 200-250 million range.

The PS2, Xbox, and GameCube totalled out to just over 203 million. Bricked consoles were far less common that gen, though it could technically have been slightly under 200 million.

343_Guilty_Spark96d ago

The entire market is stagnant. Show us the console with 300 million sales.

Christopher96d ago

What's interesting is that the console market overall hasn't 'grown' but Xbox has shrunk while PS and Switch have grown to fill in their loss of market. So, yeah, he's right, but the phrasing is interesting since the console market has shrunk for them and grown for the others.

343_Guilty_Spark96d ago

It’s still largely the same overall numbers of console gamers just that market share structure has changed.

Christopher96d ago

Yes.... I just specified how that market share structure has changed. But, yeah, you can say exactly what I said with less info?

neutralgamer199296d ago (Edited 96d ago )

phil it has been like this because xbox brand hasn't been helping grow the industry. If xbox console were at 40 million instead of 26 we would have healthier industry

BillyCrystals96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

Console sales
10 million - Game Gear
10 million - TurboGrafx-16
9 million - Dreamcast
9 million - Sega Saturn
6 million - Series X

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Jingsing96d ago

The only thing that is stagnant is Phil Spencer. Time to go.

DarXyde96d ago

I don't see the point. Nothing would change.

Honestly, I don't see much difference between what the Xbox One was supposed to be under Mattrick and where they're going now.

People worried about used games going away. Now you've got game pass and you can't really share that.

People worried about DRM and always online. You need a connection for the sub service.

People were worried about MS spying on your consumption habits. They kind of come out and tell you as much with game statics, don't they?

I don't think Microsoft has changed their trajectory with the difference in leadership. They just package the same vision in a way that is now palatable.

I see them though. They've got the average muppet fooled, but not me.

Shikoku96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

They haven't because it wasn't Mattrick that was behind that it was a corporate strategy for all MS properties. Mattrick just tried to do it too quickly. Phil is lubing you up before he slides it in, while Mattrick just tried to ram it home dry, by pushing the BS "power of the cloud" nonsense.

FinalFantasyFanatic96d ago

I think it's going to be hard to salvage the brand at this point, no one is buying Xboxes, and it's got a reputation that there are more games on other systems. They would need to push out a slew of high quality exclusives over a consistent period of time, that means that they would have to change the way they manage the entire brand. I also don't think the Xbox has a killer app/game, I struggle to think of anything that I consider to be a big system seller for them after the 360 days (Halo isn't what it used to be).

NotoriousWhiz96d ago

Xbox's market is shrinking for sure, but PS5 is also behind PS4 (but just barely).

https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

S2Killinit96d ago

He only does what MS wants. He is just a suit dressed up as a gamer.

BrainSyphoned96d ago

On today's episode of "Phil says" we gleen "Insight"
From a guy that has been having to hide his brand's numbers for years because he hasn't managed anything besides trying to copying Netflix with the world's largest corporate spending account. Unlike Phil, Netflix actually manages to release quality in-house content and is a good place to find Japanese and Korean titles. But yes, the console market is a stable slow growing market. How about you leave it and go play on PC where your company that runs the world's computers already failed with their own storefronts and has to release their games on Steam.

gold_drake96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

for them? yes.

look no further than the ps4, ps5 and the switch and hpw successful they've been in the last 6 years

Workshyskiver96d ago

That's missing the point though. Even when you look at Playstation, the market leader, its not really grown the total pool of people buying their consoles. Its just capturing the majority of what has been a fairly stagnant market since the sixth generation.

Total sales across all relevant platforms
6th Gen- 209 Million Total: PS2 155m, Xbox 24m,GC 22m, DC 9m
7th Gen- 273 Million: PS3 87m, X360 84, Wii 101m
8th Gen- 289 Million: PS4 117m, XBO 58, Switch 125m

The only real driver of growth has been both the Wii and now the Switch. The others have just been split between Playstation and whoever the other competitor has been.

shinoff218396d ago

I swore ps3 was 89

Also where the wii u

TheCaptainKuchiki96d ago

Lmaooooo, PS and Nintendo would highly disagree

The_Hooligan96d ago

Both Sony and Nintendo have done great this gen, especially Nintendo. I mean anytime you sell more than 100 mil consoles in a generation is a huge accomplishment. I am sure PS5 will do more than 100 mil as well. I do however agree that the growth rate of the consoles has not seen a steady increase. This does not mean the consoles are not selling because the numbers for PS and Switch are amazing or the gaming market size as a whole is not growing, it means there are other means by which people can access games and that has caused the growth rate of the gaming industry to grow but the consoles themselves have not seen a huge growth rate. PS2 for now is the best selling console (switch might take that crown), so if we were to add all the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube (~204 mil total) add all PS3, X360, Wii (~274 mil) add PS4, Xbox1, WiiU (~189 mil) and the current gen with PS5, Xbox series, Switch (~210 and counting), the numbers for each generation has not grown as much. This is just my opinion based on the numbers I see, it does not make me right.

Off topic: Kuchiki, I thought you had died by your own bankai! lol

TheCaptainKuchiki96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

Xbox is the only one holding the gen back as far as growth rates are concerned. Both the PS5 and Switch are outpacing their predecessors and setting new sales records, which should mean higher growth rates. However because the XSX is selling slower than the XBO, it lowers the overall growth rate of the sector.
Xbox is the weakest link. Therefore, the claim is WRONG, the growth rate isn't stagnant for the other 2.

OptimusDK96d ago

As the most here you dont really understand the concept of a market.

TheCaptainKuchiki96d ago

Blablabla. The market isn't stagnant, especially not with the covid boost.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

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He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty3d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken3d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty3d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken3d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken2d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

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@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto2d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer2d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek2d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken2d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie2d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12083d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast3d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit3d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export3d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2033d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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Naughty Dog Boss Neil Druckmann Says AI Will 'Revolutionize' Development

Druckmann claims the tech could 'push the boundaries of storytelling in games.'

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I’m more interested in what else he said.

“Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’

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H94d ago

It will be something like "we erased gameplay all together it's just a movie now"

purple1014d ago

every time naughty dog make a game, you play it and get the feeling "this is not possible'

from the boulder running towards you in crash, on ps1,
to the massive open world of jak and daxter, on ps2,
to the QuickTime events sequences of uncharted on ps3/4

and now we will see what they do with ps5,

H94d ago

Press X for doubt at "PS5"

-Foxtrot4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Arrogant asshole who sniffs his own farts bigs up next game…sounds like typical PR to me

You know what I find interesting? Almost every site reporting this as the main title where the REAL interesting bit of the interview is Neil praising AI and saying it will be used to help push story, characters, dialogue and more.

It’s super shitty to big up AI especially when it comes to story telling and other creative elements.

senorfartcushion4d ago

Just because someone says this type of stuff, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be good news.

You can say this about microtransactions. MXTs revolutionised the gaming industry.

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Levii_924d ago

Geez how full of themselves are these guys.

Einhander19724d ago

He also said it has "ethical issues we need to address" but of course that doesn't get the clicks.

CrimsonWing694d ago

I’m all for it. Cuts the time to make a game. Look, Hellblade 2 took 5 years to make, if AI can do that in half the time, as a consumer, I support it.

Chard4d ago

Things will get far sloppier brother

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CD Projekt RED and Yigsoft have launched The Witcher 3 REDkit on PC. We interviewed both studios to discuss the release of these mod tools.

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