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Epic Games Store On Xbox Would Benefit Gamers, Phil Spencer Says

The Microsoft Gaming CEO wants consoles to be more like PCs.

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Petebloodyonion50d ago

This is actually an interesting proposition.
Apple is currently facing some legislation issues for exactly that.

crazyCoconuts50d ago

Read between the lines. The next "Xbox" will be a PC. Of course it'll support the Epic store.

--Onilink--49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

There is no need to read between any lines… he was asked especially if it could happen and he said yes, comparing how its already done on PC, not everything is some sort of double meaning or hint to what they want to do, sometimes its just a straightforward question and a straightforward answer

And given how the EU is basically pushing against basically all sort of walled gardens more and more, I would not be surprised if this is what will eventually happens for all consoles anyway

crazyCoconuts49d ago

There's no logical reason to put an Epic store on an actual Xbox. Epic only has PC games anyway, which the XSX can't run. This is trying to sell the future of them getting out of the console business. Xbox branded stuff that runs on a PC. There's been a lot of signs pointing to this lately

--Onilink--49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

“There's no logical reason to put an Epic store on an actual Xbox. Epic only has PC games anyway, which the XSX can't run.“

Mmm what???

You do understand those storefronts could literally be selling any kind of game version? Its just game files and keys on a server, they dont sell console versions of games because there is no (legal) way to play them on PC…. Not because they can only sell PC games

Epic games (or any other storefront) on Xbox (or any other platform) would simply license with the publishers for whatever games will be in that store and you would download the version for that particular console from their servers….

Its literally just a storefront…

crazyCoconuts49d ago

Dude I don't know how to say this any other way... There is literally no reason to put an Epic storefront on an Xbox console. Every game that can run on the Xbox console is already on the console store and MS has nothing to gain by disintermediatiing their own damn store.
Epic store = PC. That's what he's saying

MrBaskerville49d ago (Edited 48d ago )

And if the current xbox gets Epic store, you will probably only be able to play games allready ported to xbox. Unless they have some magic software that can solve the porting issue.

This would also be kinda cool, because there would be more competetion on digital sales. But I think a lot of people dream of other things when they hear "Epic or Steam on xbox".

blacktiger48d ago

Not that simple buddy. You still need developers permission for any version you sell. Epic games do not own games other than selling specific version which epic games of pc that's all.

fr0sty48d ago

They're just throwing Hail Marys at this point.

Cacabunga48d ago

With his broken logic it would actually benefit PlayStation games even more when you see the gap in sales

SprigganN4G47d ago

Hope so, the final stage to consoles is evolve to PC. Nintendo wont do it they like to mantain all tight in control, Sony well... PlayStaion will be over in a couple of years, no innovation, no games, 35.000M debt.

Market will be:
1. Nintendo
2. PC/Xbox (with Epic, Steam, GamePass, even PlayStation App and other lauchers all in one, thousands of combinations and choices from Xbox to PC, Laptop, Steam Deck, ROG Ally, MSI Claw, etc )
3. Streaming platforms like XCloud, PlayStation Now, GeForce Now, Amazon Luna, Apple Arcade those being the biggest.

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Christopher49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

It's only interesting to Epic if they can get all the profits. Just look at how they treat iOS/Android. It's interesting to Microsoft solely because they know Sony wouldn't allow it at the level Epic wants and this would be a reason for people to move over to their console/hardware instead of Sony.

But, yeah, you know, Microsoft totally isn't competing with Sony. Totally.

Petebloodyonion48d ago

It's an interesting proposition for the consumer period.

Apple is currently facing justice for monopolistic practices related to the Iphone despite owning about half of the market share of Smartphones.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...
What's the difference between Apple and Sony when Sony controls the majority of the market share in high-end consoles?
What's the difference between Apple's practice of making sure other devices have a harder time with an iPhone
And Sony's practice of paying for exclusivity when looking at the lawsuit " tthe company had violated antitrust laws with practices that were intended to keep customers reliant on their iPhones and less likely to switch to a competing device." ?

What's the difference between the IOS store and the Playstation store?

Christopher48d ago

***What's the difference between the IOS store and the Playstation store? ***

Nothing. And it's not about market share since more money is made on Android devices than iOS. It's about the validity of a closed hardware and software system to remain as such.

theindiearmy48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

The main difference between iOS store and Playstation store is physical/retail games still exist. So publishers and consumers have another option when it comes to offering/buying games on Playstation.

Lightning7750d ago

Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article I was gonna say Phil wants multiple store fronts on their console. Which would give the console more games, options and different ways to buy and consume.

He talked about a handheld

Expansion and meeting where Gen Z wants to take their games where ever, download somewhere and go and connect with their friends.

"This notion that Xbox can only be this one device that plugs into a television isn’t something we see in the Gen Z research. Because nothing else is like that for them,” he said.

“Some of them will have an iPhone, some will have an Android, but all the games and everything is the same. I can still get to TikTok on both of them, at least for now.

“All of their stuff is available wherever they want. So for Xbox, our brand pivot — as we attract and maintain relevance with a younger audience — is ‘Xbox is a place where I can find the great games I want to.’”

How is plus this any different than what they've been doing? They're targeting Gen not millennial and definitely not Gen X as they're old and are car from the demo. It's Z, instant access, multiple devices, f2p (sadly)

helicoptergirl49d ago (Edited 49d ago )

Sony owns a 1.25 Billion dollar stake in Epic games. First it was 250 million, then after they bought into Epic for another 1 Billion. Not to mention some of their games are sold on that store, as well as Steam. I don't see how any of this will work in regards to Steam and epic on the Xbox. Even just every PC only games will have to be optimized for console.

This all seems like a really tall order. Maybe they make a PC Xbox, but the Steam consoles didn't go well when they released them. Sony are just going to allow their games to be played on an Xbox through Epic? Maybe Sony will allow it if it's true that the majority of Xbox games are indeed going to go to playstation. Then Sony might think, well, Xbox are similar to PC now, they are not our immediate competition anymore. I don't know.

Christopher48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

***Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article... ***

Last restriction 200d ago for 1 day. Been a lot of chances to discuss this since then. You have an alt account we should talk about?

***Phil wants multiple store fronts on their console. Which would give the console more games, options and different ways to buy and consume. ***

Phil wants to drown platforms with as many games so that the industry can move to subscriptions since platforms will no longer matter. It will also move further away from ownership and competition and let Microsoft utilize their IP power to get more for their games rather than pay platform holders for hosting and providing them, much like they did when signing agreements with UK cloud streaming companies (0% profit for the streaming companies, 100% for Microsoft).

Lightning7748d ago

"Last restriction 200d ago for 1 day. Been a lot of chances to discuss this since then. You have an alt account we should talk about?"

Why the hell would I waste my time on a stupid alt account? I'm sayin the last article I couldn't comment anymore.

I'll Leave the money, profits and what not to the company's. For Xbox users it'll mean more games, deals, discounts and more ways to consume from. Various store fronts.

Christopher48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Just so you know, words matter.

***Since they restricted me from commenting on the last major article***

Is not the same as

***I'm sayin the last article I couldn't comment anymore. ***

And regarding:

*** I'll Leave the money, profits and what not to the company's. For Xbox users it'll mean more games, deals, discounts and more ways to consume from. Various store fronts. ***

Hey, good on you for being an ill informed consumer who will have to accept the future that the companies decide for you, not the consumers themselves.

Lightning7748d ago

You speak as if MS is the only Platform out there. There's also Sony, there's checks and balances MS moving away from ownership would kill what little they have left already. Especially knowing Sony will do pro consumer moves (like owner ship) MS can't be that dumb to have 0 ownership across everything and subscriptions only games.

Christopher48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

***You speak as if MS is the only Platform out there. There's also Sony, there's checks and balances MS moving away from ownership would kill what little they have left already.***

I spoke about Microsoft's plan to undermine Sony. Literally brought it up in my first comment to you above. Please, read all my stuff, not just part of it.

***Especially knowing Sony will do pro consumer moves (like owner ship) MS can't be that dumb to have 0 ownership across everything and subscriptions only games. ***

Unchecked, Sony would do the exact same thing. Let's not be ignorant here. Everybody needs to compete in the same market, not try and create new markets by undermining the market that exists, leveraging your massive market in cloud services, and throwing money at the situation to get people to move towards the Netflix of games and the new market of video games rather than the hardware market.

And, the big block Microsoft has isn't even Sony, it's Valve. Valve will be the holdout for their goals. Sony will eventually either lose enough market share to not be able to produce hardware, because they are a small company by far compared to Microsoft and gamers go where it's 'cheap and affordable' because they're dumb and are easily led astray by companies selling worse products, or they'll cave in and will allow Microsoft's content and continue to be fighting on hardware but lose out on profits from Microsoft games (and likely as well as companies like Epic or whomever else forces Sony to do what they want).

In the end, this is all profit seeking companies fighting each other, but right now, the lesser of all these evils is the system we have now. The one where publishers rely on hardware but don't dictate it and where hardware manufacturers are actually competing instead of letting one monopolize entirely and decide what is best for consumers.

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Einhander197249d ago

More lies, Phil you don't care about gamers.

You want Epic on xbox because no one buys games on your platform so you have nothing to lose, and your long term goal is to force other platforms to accept other stores on their platforms including yours, lowering their own revenue while you subsidize your own xbox business until all your competition can no longer maintain themselves.

I have said from the beginning the FTC is fighting the wrong fight, instead of trying to block Microsoft from buying publishers what they need to do is force Microsoft to split up and divest its hardware and it's cloud business from it's PC software (windows) business.

Countries have laws that prevent people from dumping cheap grain or iron ect. into markets and making it so other companies can't compete, this is exactly what Microsoft is trying to do, flood the market with cheap games and hardware until no one else can compete.

crazyCoconuts49d ago

The government doesn't need to break MS up as long as they keep making the decisions they have been. They're failing just fine on their own

CrimsonWing6949d ago

You get a full steam library on your console and I’ll bite.

CrimsonWing6949d ago (Edited 49d ago )

I don’t know, maybe like that 30% of sales thing marketplaces do? 🤷‍♂️ or whatever Epic is doing do the same with Steam?

CantThinkOfAUsername49d ago

I'd love for that to happen, but looking at it realistically I doubt Valve is willing to split its 30% cut (or 20% if a game sells +1M copies) with Microsoft unless Xbox is generating a significant amount sales. On the other hand, given how cheaper older games are on Steam compared to consoles, I doubt Microsoft are willing to lose their 30% of game sales on their own store either. Anyone betting on the future of Xbox should be concerned with Phil's strategies (or lack thereof).

CBaoth49d ago

MS could've spent of third of what it cost them to acquire Activision and bought Valve for almost 3x their market value and at least have an identity. Would've never worried about royalties going this route. The reason Steambox failed was Valve's stupid decision to open license OEM companies to produce their very own steambox. Same goddamn reason Trip Hawkins failed with the 3DO. MS will never top Sony in the console space but it could've secured a spot for decades to come. Now, apparently the grass is greener in mobile pastures! Have fun with that Phil.

neomahi49d ago

Of course he would, this would get Xbox games tbag publishers wouldn't ever consider Xbox for, but, it would also get him PlayStation games, he wants sore badly, because PlayStation publishes their games to Epic Games store so, he's trying to find work arounds to get games devs don't want to publish on Xbox. Read what Euro game devs are saying about Xbox, they're getting ready to abandon it and Game Pass is showing the truth, it's flopping there too. Euros are smart, they don't want any of it..These are Phil's final attempts to see what he can do to stay relevant in the hardware market, he's desperate here, big time but this is a desperate attempt and a way to try and land games publishers don't trust Xbox with, he's a deceitful one, but it's only going to make publishers more mad because now you're insulting them and trying to pull the wool over them. By their honor they're seeing this and you'd find how honorable they are. This is also showing just how well Game Pass is really doing. (It's not). He wants Steak for the same reason. Microsoft may as well go back to making and selling PCs at this point. Phil, gave it, dude. Ya failed

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