You’re Insane If You Think the PlayStation Neo is Releasing This Year

If you’ve followed PlayStation this year then there’s a good chance that you’ve heard quite a bit of chatter about the PS4.5, also known by its codename, the PlayStation Neo. Rumors about this new console began circulating earlier in the year when developers in the industry began talking about the next iteration of the PS4. This […]

[S2Killinit]

I think it will release right when scorpo releases and it will be just as powerful.

[Nitrowolf2]

Doubtful. There's been way to many leaks, the console obviously been in the works for some time. They aren't going to back track after pouring money int o it already.

If Sony wants to compete with Scorpio in terms of power, they'll do it with a true next-gen console update. This is merely a midgen boost. Think of it like the N3DS vs the 3ds

I don't expect some crazy huge boost from the console, but enough to help with performance of titles that would have been otherwise struggling.

I do think it's insane to be releasing three products this year given how much time is left, but it's very possible. I expect February the latest though

[Neonridr]

Agreed, assuming they are planning an early 2017 launch (which seems reasonable), a lot of the hardware would already have to have been finalized and put into production in order to meet their supply needs. Things like RAM, CPU speeds, etc can always be tweaked last minute, but the GPU has long since been decided. And I seriously doubt the Neo's GPU will push anywhere near 6 TFLOPS like the Scorpio is rumoured to.

[NewMonday]

will not even bother to speculate

in less than 2 weeks this drama should be over

[FITgamer]

It's releasing this year. There is no benefit to them passing up the holiday season. The console is what is and Sony isn't going to go back to the drawing board to match the Scorpio specs. It would be stupid for them not release it year. They have a much bigger advantage getting it out as early as possible.

[Gazondaily]

Gonna bookmark this thread for the future 😂

Although I really can't see it coming out this year myself. It's such a hectic release schedule.

[S2Killinit]

@septic
You're bookmarking my opinion? Interesting.

[ziggurcat]

"There's been way to many leaks, the console obviously been in the works for some time."

not really, there hasn't been too much about the neo, and even then, the information that's out there could be obselete. and i'm also sure MS has been working on scorpio for some time, too. sony could have easily changed their plans based on the information about scorpio that was shown at E3, and decided to push back the release of neo until next year to allow them enough time to make any necessary adjustments to the API.

i'm skeptical of a 2016 release for neo, and i don't think that they would talk about it on september 7, then release it a month later. of course, i'm the first to admit that i could be horribly wrong, too. either way, we'll know exactly what's going to happen in less than two weeks.

[lunatic0001]

1.8 teraflops to more than 4 teraflops is not just a small boost either though...that's quite a big difference and that by going by the leaks of course...it may not sound like a huge upgrade because ms is going nuts on their xb1 upgrade but rest assured ...the neo is no small upgrade

[neutralgamer1992]

Nitrowolf2

actually those were supposedly old documents for neo so i wouldn't put too mich into leaks and sony's own eurpop CEO jim ryan said let's talk specs when we actually reveal neo

people want ps4 neo to have lesser specs so badly on this site. if sony were to say on september 7th ps4 will be 8TF than some of you all will go nuts LOL

personally really want to see that

[dumahim]

That, and I don't think they'd be having a PS event to announce the Slim.

[jmc8888]

Why not? Don't you think they might feel that losing some of what they put into it might be worth it in the long run?

Wasting money to not lose market and/or mindshare is not wasting money.

We don't know how things are going to go. Some people are thinking a PS5 is in 2018? Well, what if it isn't until 2020 or beyond? We don't even know if there will be generations any more. There may not be a 'true next-gen console update'. We might just be getting these updates every few years. Will a PS5 really be any different than a Neo, except for maybe a different OS? Is that what makes a 'full fledged' update now? Because in reality, Scorpio/Neo are taking up the gains that used to go to a new full fledged update, and so what PS5 is to NEO is basically the same as Neo to PS4.

In any case, if you have the opportunity to neutralize a competitors, competitive advantage by 'wasting' a little money, thus keeping your product more relevant, that is a valid strategy they probably are considering.

They might release Neo this year, they might release it early next year, or they might have had their plans altered by Scorpio and if they altered their plans who knows when it launches.

What I do know is, that all signs point to knowing more, if not having some definitive answers around Sept. 7.

If they are using the same architecture, it would indeed be easier to upgrade it. 4.2 TFlops is not that far behind 6 TFlops. They're both AMD, so it's not like either have the Nvidia advantage, nor Intel advantage over each other.

[RosweeSon]

What's to say they can't upgrade a few key parts tho like hard drives and the techier stuff that's waay over my head... Teraflops? Sure if they've gone into production it might be too late but as we all now know they are clearly busy producing slims at the moment, I still don't see why it couldn't launch in October alongside VR but chances are with VR and slims launching they'll give them a good 6 months to sell a few and then bang Neo out after NX around March launch... Sometime before Scorpio in Oct/Nov.... Aug/Sep/ Early October latest for Neo gonna be an expensive year or so

[amiga-man]

For whats it's worth l fully expect neo to be released this year, and the reason is simple VR, Sony are making a big push into the VR arena and is it really a coincidence that PSVR previously Morpheus and the new PS called Neo?

The two were made to compliment each other, Sony wants to showcase VR and Neo will help them do that.

[freshslicepizza]

I still think it will come out this year but it might be smarter to release it next spring around NX. Sony has psvr and the new slim to sell. Having 3 new products is overkill. This way Sony can double dip. Get people to buy psvr and then next year show the power of Neo and get even more into psvr and trade up.

If Neo is coming next year it will get exclusive games in a couple of years. There is no way Sony will come out with the ps4 Neo to only be out for a couple of years and then the ps5 comes out? Sorry but that ain't gonna happen.

[morganfell]

I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory. In those same leaked documents were Sony directives stating that all games release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization?

Sorry but those leaked documents point to Neo releasing this year. In October to be specific. Or else you must discount the documents entirely, including the TFlop values.

And that may be just the case based on an interview with Jim Ryan.

http://www.jeuxvideo.com/vi...

Breakdown here: http://www.gameondaily.com/...

[freshslicepizza]

@morganfell
"I am not positive when Neo will release but we should could consider this piece of oft forgotten information. Many detractors of the Neo have used the now infamous Giant Bomb documentation to attack the Neo's technical specs. Specifically the all important Teraflops - as if speed ever led to a console war victory."

then stop getting yourself involved in the console war. be happy with what the ps4 neo offers (im sure it will be a great product and sell very well), stop tyrying to downplay anything about project scorpio and be done with it. because the more you talk about scorpio in a non-positive manner its damage control on your part.

[PeaSFor]

@morganfell

"release for the PS4 in September 2016 are required to have a Neo compatibility patch and all titles released from October on must be Neo ready out of the box. If the Neo is releasing next year, why require October releases to be Neo ready out of the box? If Neo isn't releasing until next year as some suppose, why not allow devs extra months of optimization? "

excellent point,

[morganfell]

You fail to comprehend matters moldy. Tsk tsk. I am not getting myself involved in a console war. It exists whether I am a part of it or regardless if I even know who makes which console.

Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this.

The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one. What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read.

You obviously suffer from a persecution complex. I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery...

I am discussing the possibility of when Neo is launching. The dates bear direct relevance to the supposed documentation from Giant Bomb. After demonstrating how such documentation might point to an October launch I also had to be fair and show how ALL of the documentation might be in error. The only news which might indicate such fault is the Ryan interview. My point being if he is correct about the documentation being in error regarding NEO'S SPEED (Not Scorpio but NEO'S) then that would also mean the indicated October launch is also in error. It is a sophomoric deduction yet remains beyond your comprehension. Is such a principle so difficult for you to grasp? I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now. You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree.

[freshslicepizza]

@morganfell
"You fail to comprehend matters moldy."

you will see that what i say will come to true.

"Maybe you think people can be disconnected from certain events if they poke their head in the sand like an ostrich or put their fingers in their ears and run around the room screaming la la la. Reality does not function in such a manner. Perhaps one day you will realize this."

who said anything about being an ostrich? we all know what lies ahead and what input we can expect from you.

"The only mention I made of a war was that speed does not win one."

i never said otherwise, i said it would be in your besty interest to enjoy what sony offers while trying limit yourself to comment about scorpio because again we all know what lies ahead regarding your input. go ahead and disagree but bookmark this and you will see i will be right.

"What does that have to do with my involving myself in such a manner? How is that involving myself in a war? Did you even bother to read what you have written? How about what I wrote? Did I use too many big words? Did you read some other post when you responded to mine? There is a great disconnect in what I wrote and what you think you read."

looks like the reaction i was expecting, again you are proving my point.

"You obviously suffer from a persecution complex."

i don't think you even know what the real meaning is. we are talking about videogames.

"I am not talking about Scorpio except in the most indirect manner and even then only as relates to Ryan's remark. A remark that points not to Scorpio but to the veracity of the supposedly leaked documentation on Neo. It isn't rocket surgery..."

you seem to type a lot without really saying much.

" I am fine with any speed Neo provides and do not care what Microsoft offers over a year from now."

actually you do care, which is what i have been saying all along. it is not in your nature to simply enjoy what the ps4 offers without downplaying scorpio. prove me wrong. i can live in a world where ps4 neo thrives and does well and also project scorpio doing well. you can't, it really is that simple.

"You are the one that enters one Sony thread after another sowing discord. You are the one whose very actions show you cannot be satisfied with the company your words have clearly indicated you support to the nth degree."

deflect all you want, we all know what to expect.

[starchild]

Yeah, the best evidence we have points to Neo releasing this year. Which I'm happy about, since I want to play upcoming games like Nioh and The Last Guardian at their best. I don't want to have to wait until next year.

[rainslacker]

While I agree with you, the back tracking may not be as extensive as one might assume...particularly if it's using the same technology.

Only way Sony would actually expend effort to do so is if they are concerned Scorpio would cannibalize their sales of Neo, or put their overall position in the console market in peril, and that's hard to determine with MS only releasing target specs. In any case, if Sony does indeed decide to do so, they'd likely be coming up with a comparable system, at roughly the same price....so long as all other factors are equal.

@Neutral

If Sony comes in over the 4TF mark, say 5.something which puts it closer to MS specs, or comes in at 6TF, or for some reason comes in at the highly unlikely 8TF mark, then the narrative will just shift to MS will just release a more powerful console since they have a whole year to work on it. There could be merit to that as well, but if for some reason it's a reasonably priced 5.something machine, and MS comes in at 7+ TF, then Sony will be in a strong enough position with the year head start to not worry about it so much.

MS has more to do with their brand than just release a more powerful console. They're making headway with game selection overall, now they just have to work on getting that selection to resonate better with the consumer, and more importantly, work on making it a more global brand instead of just focusing on specific larger markets. That is of course if MS is looking to actually beat Sony, and not just gain more out of the markets they currently reside in.

@Overall topic

I think this year could be possible, or early next. Sept. 7 would have no other purpose than to announce a new console. There is no reason for a PSVR dedicated event, and given the hype going, it'd be terribly disappointing if they don't announce the Neo. Although I suppose they have a few weeks to dial that down like they did before E3 with Neo.

[neutralgamer1992]

well if u put 2 and 2 together ( and by that i mean a) sony qucikly removing PS4 neo out of E3 when MS Scorpio rumors arrived with 6 TFLOPS vs NEO 4,2 TFLOPS + b ) seeing this guy honestly laughing his as.. off = SONY is not dumb, they are playing this chess game with Microsoft for a long time, and since 2013 they are pretty much wining every single time, usually by tricking MS into underestimating them :) ( PS4 4GB RAM rumor says hello )

- SONY has thrown a bite out there with 4,2 TFLOPS to make MS react, now when they did, and SONY knows specifically its gonna be 6TFLOPS, all they have to do now is bringing 6,2 TFLOPS NEO and posting Jim Ryans laughing gif all over internet :) checkmate

SONY are very clever, by previously confirming yet not showing NEO at E3 and by concentrating on a whole bunch of amazing looking games instead, they kind of forced MS hand into revealing details of Scorpio....yet SONY very much stole the show with the games they displayed...people want to see games, amazing games and right now...not new hardware, not just yet. SONY are really on top of the game...but I think both camps will be testing each other over the coming months on this new hardware.

[darthv72]

for all we know, the scorpio is a minimum of 6tf. It could be more but it wont be any less. MS has plenty of time to revise if needed.

[ShowanW]

this would mean that Sony would of had to backtrack on any chipset agreement that they may of had with AMD. Somebody would have to eat the cost of all these chips being mass produced...

Adding something is one thing, but changing up a part completely is another.

Neo is rumored to be using Jaguar still, where Scorpio is rumored to be using AMD's next gen chip set.

[RegorL]

Before E3 SONY said two things
1. "Neo" exists
2. we will not show it here at E3

[kstuffs]

You're revising history. MS wanted 8GB of DDR3 + eSRAM from the beginning. Sony gambled with 4GB of GDDR5 and it was increased a result of developer feedback. Sony was also fortunate that there were higher density GDDR5 chip in time for the mass manufacturing. Unless of course all of these stories are elaborate tricks that Sony played.

https://www.vg247.com/2014/...

"Murakami stated that the PS4’s increase from 4GB to 8GB of RAM was approved during that line of questioning. He said that the Knack team were involved in those hardware discussions and asked for the RAM increase after learning that Sony was going to rest on 4GB. The company agreed, and that’s effectively why the console is the way it is today. It was quite a simple decision, it seems."

[kstuffs]

Sony is SO on top of their game that they intentionally leaked the PS4 Slim to actual people and then send copyright to YouTube and anyone mentioning PS4 Slim. They're certainly on top of their game.

[DeadlyFire]

No Darth. Scorpio is a minimum spec of 5.5 Tflops. If Sony wants to match it they easily could do so. The ram spec could also be matched simply by switching to gddr5x.
Sony loses nothing by launching in late 2017. Slim will be on the market keeping sales up until then.

[sammarshall102]

Microsoft would have a whole year to come out with the more powerful console

[--Onilink--]

Point by point, i couldnt disagree more with this article. At the latest, and still doubtfull, i expect a February-March release

1. Considering that the rumors were true and was confirmed to be in production earlier this year, the whole incentive thing is kind of a moot point because they were clearly already considering the release of the console. You seem to be going by the impression that something that was already in production could easily be delayed by another year just because Skorpio is releasing until Holiday 2017, not to mention that if Skorpio does end up being that more powerful, they have all the incentive they need, in trying to capitalize as much market as possible during their whole year alone in the market.

2. Im pretty sure that their whole marketing campaign is already crafted and we could see quite the marketing blowout in the 2-2.5 months before release starting on the day of the reveal. Its not like when a console is announced 1 year before release most of the marketing doesnt end up being in the couple of months prior to the release.

3.While true that they would be competing against themselves in the market during the holiday, it is looking pretty likely that the hardware in the regular PS4 isnt really gonna cut it for VR in the long term. The NEO might actually be the boost that the console needs to properly compete in the VR space. Its still probably considered a pretty niche market by itself, so probably pushing consoles would take priority anyway.

4. You are "insane" if you think Sony originally considered a launch in Holiday 2016 or Early 2017 and they would still have time to actually adjust most of their plans after the Skorpio reveal. Pre production, contracts and manufacturing of components happens a lot of months before the release of a console. They might be able to push some higher clocks on the processors, maybe try to alter something like the RAM, but most of the specs should have been pretty nailed down by the time Skorpio was shown.

5. I dont really see how the Slim would be relevant, regardless of when NEO is released, there were always going to be 2 SKUs, one the mainstream/regular PS4 and the Elite/more expensive NEO. The Slim coupled with a small price drop would only cement that position.

Extra point: Doing an early 2017 release would mean:
- Losing the holidays
- "Competing" against the NX (they might end being very different consoles, but it would still have to share the attention)
- Less time alone in the market before a more powerful competitor comes along.

[Aenea]

Nope, it's releasing this year, my guess: mid to late October.

Just look at the Slim, if they wanted to wait until end-2017 they would've added an UHD bluray and 4k upscaling to the Slim as well, they would be stupid to let MS have the only console on the market with UHD/4k...

As for the specs, well, we got early specs leaked to us, when people say they didn't have enough time since E3 to up them 'cos of the Scorpio, don't forget that the Scorpio specs had been leaked way before E3 as well and I wouldn't be surprised when both MS and Sony receive way better leaked info way sooner than we do...

[Artemidorus]

Self entitled millennials won't agree with a comment like that, they will demand Sony brings it out early only for them to pay stupid prices and cry later on about why it's not powerful enough.

I do agree though it's going to be a near end 2017 or a 2018 date.

[vegasgamerdawg]

No sense of reality. It would cost Sony BILLIONS to go back to the drawing board. I'm afraid the fanBOY inside of you froze your brain. Wishful speculation, not even in the same galaxy as reason.

[DarkHeroZX]

Wouldn't really cost that much at all lmao. After all if they are using the RX 480 then they can just look for ways to OC on the GPU. Problem will be the scalability of the CPU.

[rainslacker]

Lol. They probably didn't even spend a billion developing the PS4. Even half that would be surprising. This isn't like the PS3 where they designed an entirely new computing architecture from the ground up, and even that didn't come up to the plural billions. It's fairly stock design outside the custom processor design, which is something AMD itself designed in conjunction with Sony.

Just because Sony spent a lot on the CELL, and MS spent a lot on the Kinect 2, doesn't mean those kinds of things are the norm.

[Soulrakk]

That's highly unlikely. Money has been spent and it may be too late. I think Microsoft trumped Sony with the Scorpio announcement & have them reeling. They're kinda stuck. The word is Devs asked Sony if they can do better & get somewhat close to Scorpio which is why it's been silent. And it doesn't look like they were even on the radar. Even overclocking the Neo to burn levels or firmware advances wasn't even close. To come up with a whole new piece of tech would cost millions of dollars and waste millions of dollars on what you've done thus far with Neo. All thrown away. This stuff is all done way in advance. They're in a tough position now because they need the Neo to push PSVR or else that busts, PSVR running on a standard PS4 is base level, not so hot performance. So they can't just scrap the Neo. They need to release a better console. Sony is almost better off just scrapping the Neo in order to compete performance wise (even though it would be a massive blow), or just accept the fact that MS got one over on you, release it as is & look to the future. But Sony is no doubt in a really tough spot. The Scorpio as it stands would blow anything they can muster on the Neo out of the water. Game wise & VR wise. Let's not forget the Scorpio will no doubt support VR, whether it be Vive or Oculus or both. In comparison Sony will look very playschool & weak. You can try to find the silver lining but there just is none. This is not good for Sony either way.

[ninsigma]

I'll laugh if it does release this year now :p
Don't really care when it releases as I doubt I'll get, but I'm just interested in the specs and if it looks the same as Base ps4.

[iTechHeads]

it will obviously have a different look. hopefully premium..

[blady_man]

I do hope its released in september and some rumors go by! Would buy it asap !!!

[Summons75]

I feel the Neo was the Slims codename

[DragonDDark]

Lol i guess you missed when sony said it will be more powerful than the OG ps4 which the slim is not

[ziggurcat]

nah, there's nothing that indicates that the neo is the slim. house has already stated that the neo is a premium version of the PS4, the slim (as we know it to be right now) is just a slimmer version of the current PS4.

[Summons75]

We know nothing. All we know is speculation. The Slim could be like the xbox slim, able to output video in 4K for blurays but not games. Everything about the NEO is wild speculation.

[ziggurcat]

that's why I said "as we know it to be right now." we'll know whether the slim outputs 4K video in a few weeks. however, i think it's pretty safe to say that the slim is not the neo.

[Mattachu]

Where have you been lately? The Neo isn't the slim. Sony already confirmed the Neo is a higher end ps4 and the slim is a downgraded ps4 basically not a upgrade. Also there is a PlayStation event for the new console. They wouldn't have a PlayStation event for a slim console.... http://www.polygon.com/2016...

[dreadz74]

you wish lol

[threefootwang]

I think it'll release this year. I thought Sony was getting into the habit of announcing new releases with its availability within weeks or a short time after. Plus if the Neo is meant to compliment the PSVR then a 2016 release makes sense.

[BarneyS]

Yes Andrew House said that:
“The dynamics of the tech industry are such that there’s a much heavier emphasis on immediate gratification than there was. A lot of that is to do with how Apple has very cleverly and elegantly managed the ‘available now’ approach."
source: https://www.theguardian.com...
So I agree, I think Sony will anounce Neo next month and probably release it about a month after the anouncement. The price for the slim hasn't been revealed yet but I wouldn't be surprised by a 249 PS4 slim and a 399 PS4 Neo. Seems like a perfect strategy to go into this holiday season.

Edit @Aenea: Yes I know the slim is already being shipped (that's where the leak came from) and will be released soon after the anouncement.

[Aenea]

1) it's not meant to complement PSVR, people should stop thinking that
2) the Slim is already in warehouses at the moment, it looks more than likely they will announce it to be available in shops within a week after announcing it

[threefootwang]

Yeah maybe "officially" it's not meant to compliment the PSVR, but you know for damn sure that Sony is going to show off how much better the VR runs with the Neo over the base model and at a potential of 4K resolution too. They need to create incentives to sell it afterall.

[rainslacker]

At the same time, Neo is purportedly going to be an October release based on the Neo requirement in the leaked documents. While that date could obviously be pushed back, assuming an October release, it's still only a few weeks.:)

[_-EDMIX-_]

Yes.

Sony has in the past released revisions merely weeks after announcement, I don't see them changing that. I see Neo and Slim releasing this fall.

[jb227]

I agree...I mean we've already seen how Sony in particular has the ability to keep its hardware production under wraps considering no one knew of the Slim's existence just a week ago & now that console will be hitting shelves w/in the month. So at the very least it is feasible that Neo could release during the Holidays, & I agree that if Neo enhances PSVR or is meant to compliment it in any way, they will need to at least fully outline the system & preferably release it in order to make consumers aware before they pick up their PSVR preorders. Even if Neo doesn't release until next year sometime, Sony will need to fully outline their system as opposed to MS' strategy of simply acknowledging its existence & throwing out lofty borderline arrogant claims like "Most Powerful Console Ever" before the thing even has any specs locked down & before dev kits even exist in the wild.

Also, the article says that Sony has no real reason to launch before Scorpio but I highly disagree w/ that idea. If MS pulls a rabbit out of the hat or eats a large loss & gets the Scorpio in price parity w/ Neo, if Neo is underpowered compared to it, and if they release in the same timeframe, Sony will have essentially given this round over to MS. Alternatively, if Sony goes first, they would be the first to actually show & prove what this extra power is capable of w/ true gameplay, they can have wiggle room to be able to drop the price by the time Scorpio releases, and the devs will have had a year head start on taking advantage of the hardware, meaning that Neo games could potentially look on par or better than Scorpio at launch to the naked eye on a 1080p screen even w/ the 2 tflops advantage.

I won't be a day one buyer myself because I typically spend my money on friends & family during the holidays, but either way I'm really pumped to watch the Meeting & see what all is announced. Hoping the RDR rumors prove true & that a handful of games like GoW make an appearance, some cool new features announced, and the official unveiling of the Slim & Neo.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

But power has never sold consoles like seriously we have three previous generations to prove that. The ps1 outsold the more powerful n64, the ps2 outsold the more powerful GameCube and og Xbox and the wii outsold the more powerful ps3 and 360. Seriously people who think Scorpio is going to sell just because of "da powah" are in for a rude awakening. I have an x1 right now and I'll tell you I have no desire to get a Scorpio and you know why because Microsoft haven't been delivering the games which is one of the big reasons people buy consoles and with their "exclusives" now going to pc it's almost pointless to own one. So they can have all the power in the world but if they don't have the games no one is going to want to buy the system.

[freshslicepizza]

@jb227
"I agree...I mean we've already seen how Sony in particular has the ability to keep its hardware production under wraps considering no one knew of the Slim's existence just a week ago & now that console will be hitting shelves w/in the month."

the system is out in the wild, sony is trying to bring down every uploaded video of the system being powered on and everything and you say they they have the ability to keep things under wraps? lol, they might as well just announce it now.

[jb227]

@darkknightmare

I fully agree...I may not have been clear, but I was just saying that power matters mainly when price is equal or lesser. That was one of the reasons why PS4 was such a success, the core fanbase that love their exclusives were always going to grab one, but Sony grabbed the general console gaming market as well when they released a more powerful box at a $100 cheaper price point.

Grabbing that lion's share of the market typically boils down to release window, brand recognition, price & power. Last gen was a pretty great example of the different tactics, you had Xbox 360 which was the hare, first to market & grabbing big sales for its release frame before starting to coast towards the end of the cycle, then you had the tortoise of the PS3 starting w/ a handicap but going on to really close that gap on the strength of its hardware, software & features like BD, then you had the Wii which put up those gargantuan numbers most likely down to its unique motion feature & cheapest price point. Those 3 systems each uniquely illustrated the different advantages any player can have in the console space.

I was just saying that if Sony releases the Neo now in tandem w/ PSVR or shortly after in tandem w/ Horizon that they've kinda got a perfect storm of advantages, beating Scorpio to the market by a year & NX to the market by a few months, having a unique feature available like PSVR (itself the lowest priced true gaming VR solution on the market), the brand recognition momentum of the PS4 being the biggest console on the shelves, then all of these amazing looking exclusives like Horizon on the....um.....horizon. If they hold off to launch w/ Scorpio it may just be a bit tougher race for them if history is any indication & if MS pulls some drastic moves (buying up big name exclusives, selling their hardware at a deep loss, etc.)

[phoenixwing]

I'm sticking with my nathan drake collection ps4. I don't have a 4k tv and don't plan on getting one for some time. If god of war, spiderman, and horizon were running on the original ps4's then I don't need to upgrade for some time. Probably wait for the ps5.

[FITgamer]

Even without a 4K TV, you'd still be able to get higher graphic settings and frame rates, the neo would still be worth it. If that matters to you.

[jmc8888]

4ktv's are cheap, thus whenever you need to buy your next TV, it should really be a 4ktv, unless you plan on getting the cheapest $150 HDTV you can find.

4ktv's have been as cheap as $249 for over the past 2 years (for 39 inches). You can routinely get them for $500-1000 now, with the ~$500 ones being 40-47 inches and 60 FPS.

4ktv prices are dropping far, far faster than 1080p did. Every year it's dropping like 3-4 years of 1080p prices.

Even without 4k, you'd likely see better/solid framerates with a potential for resolution and IQ boost on newer games.

[SilverDemon]

for me personally, I dont see value in 4k tv right now
I dont watch tv at all anymore and if games will run on my ps4 I dont need to get code name: neo

maybe when ps5 comes out

[peewee11016]

4k tv for 250$ yall if yo uwant one of those cheap after market brands.

[FITgamer]

Cheap 4K TV = High input lag.

[mkis007]

peewee

Costco is selling a 55" Vizio 4k 2016 for 479.99 after instant coupon. Or an LG for $100 more.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Exactly...i'm actually relieved the neos not dropping right now. With all the games coming out and not to mention the vr dropping soon, its already too much money to spend this year.

[SirBradders]

I think the neo will be a mid range 4tf like the planned and just to piss ms off they announce a 8tf model also the 4tf aimed at 1440 and 8tf pure 4k. By the time Scorpio release then 8tf will be cheaper.

Well that's what I would do.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

That would be absolutely ridiculous. You don't do silly things like that, that could cripple your business, just to piss off your competition. They're already running away with it this generation anyway.

[Sevir]

LMAO! They won't do something so foolish.

But you're allowed to think that.
.

[ShowanW]

Sony is doing a pretty good job of recovering from financial disaster...

And what you just said, would tank them again...

[ClickbaitAF]

8tf? Lmfao just stop

[SirBradders]

That was abit silly drink commenting ain't good guys, stay safe lol.

[Sevir]

It's releasing this year, everything points to a huge product launch, even major retailers have had there fiscal year forecasts to include new PlayStation hardware releases, not just the slim and the aforementioned PSVR. Neo is coming this Nov or October. And I'll be first in line for it! Lol! More powerful PS4, yes please

[DualWielding]

you are insane if you think it won't

[DigitalRaptor]

Exactly.

Sony has already publicly acknowledged its existence so it's basically already announced.

The PlayStation Meeting is to formally announce and show it and explain it to the public. They don't need 7 months from announce to release for a higher end PS4, which we all know about by now. House also said that they are very interested in adopting the Apple release strategy of "it's available now".

[rainslacker]

I'm just insane. Doesn't matter what I think.

[esmittystud101]

All the guys saying "They should release it this year"...............How bad did you fail Marketing 101 in school? Pretty bad I guess. Marketing for a new console takes longer than that. Especially when we all see that "Premium" price that is going to come with it. Me, myself can take my charge card regardless of when the console releases. I'm a very small percentage of gamers that is able to do this though. They should wait to release it around when Scorpio releases to compete with it. While they are at it they should take the extra $10 price hike on PS+ and use it to fund the new beefy hardware in the Neo. Please, just don't fall short on the hardware. Scorpio specs at minimum.

[spoilerjerk]

Marketing 101? You are missing one rather large point... Sony isn't looking to compete with Scorpio to begin with.

For the next year Sony will have the PS4 Slim and Neo going up against the Xbox One S. It's that simple. Scorpio will release holidays 2017 and even with the better specs it will have little impact as 6 months later Sony announces PS5 at E3 2018 for a 2019 release. Microsoft is very short sighted and Sony knows this which is why they talked about Neo but refused to show anything about it - they knew Microsoft would take the bait.

[esmittystud101]

To announce a console on Sept. 7th and then turn around to try and sell it in November..............that' ;s bad marketing right off the bat. I see your point with them turning around and one upping them with PS5 after Scorpio release though. That doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.

[jmc8888]

Of course they are competing with Scorpio. Sony, MS, and Nintendo compete whether they say so or not. You are also competing against PC, tablets, smartphones, even arcades. You're right that Sony will have Neo and likely a Slim to directly compete against the S, and thus have the advantage.

Further down the trough these companies are competing for the money of each consumer that they spend on discretionary purchases.

So yes, all your entertainment purchases are competing with one another, and if real life takes up more money than you expected, it impacts your overall entertainment purchases.

We don't know when Sony announces a PS5. We don't know when it will be coming. It could come 2019... or 2020, 2021, or whenever.

You see it really isn't the companies who decide when to release a console, it's when the tech has advanced enough. Going against that opens the door to problems.

Sony and MS waited too long and had to jump in midstream, that's why PS4 and XB1 were underpowered. They couldn't wait for the 3.5-4TFlops they needed for proper 1080/60 gaming.

Now that those advances have happened, they are aligning themselves with it.

I don't expect a new console cycle until the tech advances enough to make in worth while, and that's likely when 7nm CPU's and GPU's are available.

Considering Europe wants the 10nm mode for 'power reduction', I really don't see anything aligning until the 7nm jump.

[sammarshall102]

You guys honestly think that PS5 will release in 2018 LOL

Neo is competing with the Scorpio and the Scorpio will be 2 tflops more powerful

[DigitalRaptor]

@ SamMarshall

If you think that the market is going to care a great deal about an extra 1.8TP of computational power after Neo and its 4.2TP has already made its mark and astounded people with its enhancements over the original PS4, for a good 12 months on the market, you're more naive than I ever believed you were. If both consoles are competing against each other, and one has been on the market for 12 months and has the install base and the experience locked down, what makes you think developers are going to be flocking to a more expensive and less established console in Scorpio?

Jim laughs at your naivety: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

If enough people cared so much more about Xbox and its lineup of games then perhaps, but PlayStation dominates the market and its games are better, more impactful and exclusive to the PS4. An extra 1.8TF isn't going to magically serve MS with more or better games that have more people more excited.

PS5 releasing 5 years after the previous console is not that far-fetched. It's happened a number of times and 6 years is actually an average number of years between console gaming generations in the past. Nintendo's new console is poised to be available 4 years after its predecessor was first available.

[neutralgamer1992]

esmittystud101

i agree with you. i just don't think there is logic behind announcing a new sku which will be more expensive than only to release it within 2 months

stuff like this need marketing. just look at ms they announced scorpio over 15-18 months before release

[jmc8888]

I think the marketing of Neo will be combined with PSVR. Yeah those of us who pay attention watched the reveals and pre-ordered what, five or so months ago? But the average Joe will be seeing it for the first time with the marketing blitz that will around PSVR launch.

In that launch you can showcase a Neo. Or not. We'll find out more on the 7th. If it's this year, I think they combine the marketing blitz, have bundles, etc.

[Aenea]

Bad marketing? Are you in marketing? No? Then I think Sony's marketing people know more about it than you do.

Apple does it all the time, announcing and releasing quickly and it works, Sony even said they like that way of doing things so it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Besides, announcing September 7 and releasing late October is plenty of time to advertise the crap out of it!

[DigitalRaptor]

A "new console"? It's a PS4. A higher-end PS4.

All they need to do is differentiate it enough from PS4 OG, and PS4 slim, which they do in a couple of ways:

1) Price - Slim at $249 and Neo at $399-449.

2) Features - Exclusive 4K streaming, playback.

3) Power - It plays your games at 1080p/60fps and with better visual effects. Enhances PSVR games.

It's not all about marketing either. Sony is easily cornering 2 ends of the same market. They have the more frugal, casual gamers who will see $249 and not care about the other benefits. To this end, they will absolutely dominate the console market. They also have the more dedicated hardcore gamers who want power, want more out of their VR games and don't mind spending more to get all of this. This will also be on the market a full 12 months or so before Scorpio, and to this end they will reduce its impact when it hits.

I actually don't expect Scorpio to launch in 2017, based on the vagueness and mixed messaging surrounding the console. Its existence and why they've announced it so soon as of now is to appeal to disrupt Sony's plans. That's what Microsoft is hoping for, but Sony is too smart to fall for it. Don't expect a 6TF Neo. PS5 will arrive just when it needs to, and probably not long after Scorpio. MS just doesn't get it, especially with them trying to be the first to 4K and claiming 60fps is going to naturally come along with that.

[rainslacker]

I'm sure most on this thread didn't take marketing 101.

However, if one thing could be said for Sony this gen, it's that they've nailed every aspect of marketing down with keen precision which it's closest competition has failed to do, despite the much more evident higher marketing budget.

In this case, Sony gets the immediate reaction from the hardcore, which only pushes the idea of Neo as it spreads into viral territory. It doesn't take long to build hype....just look at the Scorpio. Less than a few minutes after announcement, it became the one thing people have been talking about the most for months now.

If an October release is immenent, the announcement in September gets people immediately hypes, without the chance for it to die down. in the meantime, those who haven't latched onto the hype, they have time to market to them in more traditional manners. Overall though, marketing is a long game, and the immediate adoption is usually just as important as the long term effect when it comes to getting mind share. The way Sony is doing it, grabs both sides of the equation.

Never underestimate how many people there are that will buy into a expensive product if the hype is there. The elite controller from MS would be considered a "premium" product, yet it is selling quite well. Sony doesn't need the Neo to sell at current PS4 levels of around 1.2 million a month average worldwide....they just need it to steadily increase the PS4 install base and be established enough to put a dent in the effectiveness of whatever MS eventually does have to offer so Scorpio is seen as less needed when the time comes, and puts extra pressure on MS to actually make it's message stronger to capitalize on sales.

First thing you'll probably learn in marketing 101....there is no one way to do things, and it's all a gamble and not guaranteed to work. Sony's release window isn't based on marketing, it's based on when they want to release it and those factors are based on how they perceive the market and the competition. The purpose of marketing besides enticing the consumer, is to make it so your competitor has to work harder to actually achieve the same result....or completely prevent the competition from making any headway at all.

[jznrpg]

It could release this year because of the holiday, but February wouldn't surprise me either (right before NX) . We will find out soon.

[spoilerjerk]

It's releasing this year.

[RiPPn]

You don't hold a meeting right before the biggest sales period of the year to say we have a new product coming next year so all of you who were going to buy a PS4 this holiday, go ahead and make other plans or settle for the slim. Makes no sense. And if people think this meeting was mainly to get word of the slim and also announce the Neo for next year, no chance, if the slim was just going to be the only machine available for the holiday season then they would have just announced it at Gamescom and unveiled the Neo at PSX or a special event in the new year.

Also why would they require "Neo mode" in all games released starting in October (according to leaked docs) if it was releasing next year? Neo mode could be patched in at any time so again why require it specifically for October.

It is silly to think it isn't releasing this year.

[Brettman2008]

Absolutely. It will release soon. Sony have also invested too much in the Polaris based architecture to scrap it for Vega.

[neutralgamer1992]

could it be that this meeting focuses on ps4 slim at $249 and a lot of time is dedicated to psvr?

they could announce neo and saying coming holiday 2017 like ms did with Scorpio

and by doing this event they are basically building momentum for ps4 for holiday 2016

[RiPPn]

Why would they focus a whole lot of time on PSVR, a product that is already sold out and supply constrained, a product that doesn't show well on stage, and a product that has already been fully announced and demoed?

And like I said, if this was an announcement around the slim, why make an entire meeting around it when it could have easily been announced at Gamescom?

And again why have requirements for games to have a Neo mode starting October this year if you aren't releasing the machine for another 6 - 12 months?

[Sevir]

People keep believing what they want, but the truth is, The New is coming this year.

Apple does this with its products and so does Google.

They aren't going to dedicate an entire press conference to a slim revision of a base model, they never have, those have been always been bullet point subheadings that get mentioned and quickly talked about before addressing the main topic.

The Neo is the reason of the press event, they'll talk in detail about the hardware specs, and they'll show off Games that demonstrate it's feature set, they'll show differences to the base model and they'll show the improvements it offers when paired with PSVR, and then they'll announce it's price and availability.

Let's not go full on mental and stupid here. Sept 7th is exactly 13 days away. Just wait for them to address the elephant in the room

[Aenea]

Some dev on some site already confirmed that September 7 will be about the Neo.

Besides, why go to all this trouble for a mere PS4 Slim? PSVR has already gotten quite a bit of attention and didn't need a special event, plus there are more conferences in the future they could have shown it off more before release.

Nope, they are 100% going to show us the Neo. And people think they are going to do that right before the holiday season AND not release it until next year? That would be crazy!

[neutralgamer1992]

guys i am not saying i have inside info or anything i was just taking a wild guess. if you ask me i rather have neo this year so i can start playing games at better res,fps etc, this year instead of waiting another year

[2cents]

C'mon September event... You cant come soon enough!

All these experts and their Noise is deafening.

[rainslacker]

LOL. Have to admit, I'm ready for it just because it'll end a lot of the rampant speculation and assumption we've had about the machine since it was a rumor.

Won't stop the console war between the Neo and Scorpio, but at least we'll have more information to get some fresh arguments out of it on the Neo side.

[2cents]

Hey Rainslacker!

Very true! Can't wait to see what Sony have up their sleeve.

I'm hoping for an ultra combo Neo, PSVR, Camera & Move Bundle Reveal.

Also a meaty Neo Spec!

[MasterCornholio]

My prediction.

Either this year or early next year

We will see if unveiled this year most likely on the 7th if rumors are to be believed.

[boing1]

Well, we've received devkits this week. I was surprised to see 16gb of ram.

[Aenea]

I was rather surprised by the 2 Polaris GPU's in CrossFire setup for 8.4TFlops of goodness....

Edit: tsk, people don't notice a joke remark when they see one, everyone so darn serious lately

[boing1]

Are you talking about my post? It's not a joke. Retail version won't probably have that much. The only wierd thing is that devkit for normal ps4 has the same amount as retail sku. Maybe Sony changed something last minute, like before, 4gb > 8gb. Not sure why devkit has 16gb. Makes sense to have more ram for VR though.

[rainslacker]

Wow....if what you say is true then I hope your employer or Sony doesn't find out who you are because you pretty much just lost any chance of ever working in the industry ever again since they take NDA's pretty seriously.

I'm inclined to believe you are lying because you say "Retail versions won't probably have that much" which means you don't know the actual release specs, which you would know if you had a dev kit, and it's been pretty well documented on dev net why things are certain ways for other certain things.....which I assume you know what I'm talking about in terms of dev kit disparities between them and retail SKU's.

That being said, you don't need more RAM for VR. VR requires more GPU power. more RAM just allows for more objects, doesn't make the processor able to do more so long as the RAM provided is sufficient enough to feed the GPU.

[kingkobra2xxx]

I know it will release this year in October second week

[iwin86]

PS4 Neo will launch this year. So call me crazy/insane/loco.

[Dan_scruggs]

yup

[neutralgamer1992]

i think sony could go for the kill and release a $249 slim and $399 neo.

neo specs 4.5-5TF
12GB GDDR5 ram(possibly 16)
better cpu
1TB hard drive

or sony could release the slim this year at $249 and really go head to head and beat scorpio in every spec. and to some of you saying sony had already built the system and it was ready to be shipped i don't believe that for a second. there is always a plan B

in june sony found out the specs for scorpio( it actually leaked beforehand so sony found out in may) so now is september don't you think sony could have stopped all their production in may

and there were suggestions that those leaked documents were from old build of neo

than JIM RYA sony europe CEO said when we reveal the specs than let's compare

i would be happy with either option. but personally would want neo in 2016 so can play all the games at higher res, better frame rates etc, instead of waiting over a year for possibly 1.5TF extra

[Movefasta1993]

I would rather they wait to be honest,1.5 tf extra is nothing to scoff at

[Aenea]

A year earlier on the market isn't either!

[Aenea]

What if they do some really crazy stuff?

$199 PS4 Slim 500GB
$249 PS4 Slim 1TB

$399 PS4 Neo 500GB
$449 PS4 Neo 1TB
$499 PS4 Neo 2TB

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As for the Scorpio specs leaking, we got those in May but am sure both MS and Sony have way better insider connections that are way more reliable as well, they knew earlier, they might have had plenty of time to at least clock everything higher, hence why I believe there are rumours that the case is bigger than the original PS4 even though it is a smaller die and should have less heat issues.

Also don't forget that Jim Ryan not only said to compare them when we know the specs but he also laughed quite a bit at the idea of the Scorpio being much more powerful!

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Edit:
@imgumby
Yes, but after that he was asked "what if the scorpio does have a 2TF power advantage" and then he started laughing maniacally and the interview was over.......

Though my French is terrible so I have to use what others wrote about it...
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@sammarshall
LOL, sure buddy, sure! Don't worry tho I'm sure your fave console brand will still have the most powerful console next year!

[sammarshall102]

It was a nervous laugh

[DigitalRaptor]

@ SamMarshall

"It was a nervous laugh"

The fact that you believe this, is cute. It makes you seem the nervous one really.

[bleedsoe9mm]

neo isn't a console upgrade its a hybrid to compete with nx and do portable vr , it would be fun to watch people lose their minds

[Metallox]

Well, excuuuse me.

[Aenea]

People are crazy to think it's not releasing this year!

Look at the PS4 Slim! Gives you all the hints you need to know!

Which are, you ask?
- it apparently doesn't have an UHD bluray player nor 4k support
- it looks cheap as heck, doesn't have optical even

If you believe for one second that Sony will let MS have the only UHD console on the market this year then you are crazy!

The Neo will release this year before the holidays.

[RiPPn]

While I agree that the Neo is releasing this year.. I do not believe the very distant second place Microsoft decisions have a whole lot of bearing on Sony's plans contrary to what the gaming community might have people believe.

[Aenea]

Where is Joe when you need him? :)

Well, Sony has always been the one who introduced consoles with new media drives, the PS2 with DVD, PS3 with bluray. Sony also owns movie studios and they make their own 4k TVs. It makes total sense they want to have a console of their own with UHD bluray player and 4k support, and since the Slim doesn't seem to have that they are banking on the Neo to be that console for them. So I highly doubt that they don't want a console out this holiday season with UHD bluray...

See, even if you leave MS out it doesn't make sense to not have a console available with 4k/UHD support during the coming holidays...

[neutralgamer1992]

sony's europe president jim ryan on neo:

First of all, Ryan clarified why Sony decided to confirm PlayStation Neo before E3, without actually unveiling the console officially at the show. He mentioned that there were many rumors about it, so they wanted to clarify the situation, but at the same time they had a very clear vision of what they wanted to show at the press conference, and that was to focus on games. On top of that, Sony believed that the official unveiling of PlayStation Neo should actually include showing the applications and advantages of the console, and it was too early for that

Last, but not least, Ryan was asked about the rumored two teraFLOPS difference in computing power between PlayStation Neo and Microsoft’s Project Scorpio: he explained that talking in those terms is just repeating rumors and engaging in speculation, mentioning that when Sony will actually announce the specs for PlayStation Neo, then it’ll be possible to have a more detailed conversation on the topic

The interview ended with Ryan having a big laugh when asked if the rumors were true

so should we believe some possibly old leaked documents. sony could have leaked those just to force MS's hand

or should we believe one of their CEO's

[sammarshall102]

Or the Neo is really 4 Tflops and the Scorpio is 6 Tflops or possibly more

[neutralgamer1992]

could be so could neo be

[Jburr94]

You're just a worried little Xbox fanboy, I bet you're scared for what could happen on September 7th lol

[dRanzer]

I would say this year holidays

[Mattachu]

Your actually insane for calling the people you want to look at your website insane. Also it's releasing this year buddy.

[iTechHeads]

we already have leaked specs and documentation.
It's not crazy at all for a holiday release

[ziggurcat]

Those specs, and documentation could potentially be out dated.

[Dyldog69]

Perfect time to get a PC. This gen has made that abundantly clear

[DillyDilly]

They gotta take on the XBOX One S somehow especially after pissing people off with the Plus price hike

[EmployedGamer]

Neo is coming this year. It is, essentially, a requirement to make the PSVR function to its potential. They won't let bad publicity harm their VR set due to a weak VR machine, the regular PS4, being its foundation.

Plus, they can't afford to give MS 100% marketshare of the 4K market. The XB1s will gain marketshare against the standard PS4 due to videophiles getting an affordable 4K, HDR player. MS isn't only aiming for gamers, and Sony knows this. The Neo will be out very soon . They've already got tons manufactured.

[oSHINSAo]

Why releasing PS VR without a high end console, MS surely put some pressure on Sony this time

[jay2]

Bs. Iys not lije the mew xbox its like the s itll b qnnounced next week

[melonfarm3r]

This year folks.

Take that to the bank.

[ziggurcat]

where did you hear this?

[ILostMyMind]

Perhaps NEO in early 2017 capable of 1080p/60fps on every game and Super NEO at the end of 2018, with capacity to 4k/60fps.

[peewee11016]

Neo will not come this year.
Like many have said.
Sony was surprise by what Microsoft announced.
It will come out next year,
I cant even say if they went back to the drawing board or not
But you people who are saying they cant take it back behind doors And say there are leaks about the neo othen then nothing at all. Are delusional no one knows the SPECS at ALL.
No one can claim it being weak or not.
For all we know they can come out and say NEO is going run at 7teras im not saying it will just using an example to the xbox fans trying to downplay it.
Xbox next year system will be a new console.
Sony will answer back
Also sony was about games games and more games. thats what got them to sell the console.
Still dont see how anyone would still try to support Microsoft after that DRM SHIT.

[bulldog2016]

With no showing at E3 with rumours the Neo presentation was cancelled last min due to Scorpio being announced I can only assume they have been upgrading the specs,or,they bring the rumoured 4.2tf console this year and an upgraded version to compete late next year or early 2018.
Either way, i cant see Sony releasing a console thats much weaker, they have to compete and will compete.
The silence id deafening!

[sammarshall102]

That would mean Sony would have 4 different hardwares out PS4, PS4 Neo, PSVR, and PS4 Neo Plus

This would break Playstation

[DigitalRaptor]

"This would break Playstation"

HAHAHAHHAHA. The things children joke about.

Oh my GOD wait..... you're serious. HAHAHHAHAHAH.

And we're all laughing with you: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[rainslacker]

They have 3 different hardware options out there now. About to be 4, without the Neo. They have PS3. PS4. Vita, And soon PSVR. Neo won't break them.

Unlike MS, Sony has a lot of experience at supporting more than one piece of console hardware at a time, and have supported most of their hardware for much longer than MS has ever supported one of theirs. So far, every main PS home console has been supported longer than MS longest supported console, the 360, so maybe consider that Sony isn't as bad as MS when it comes to knowing how to do some things.

[quent]

So maybe March next year ? , competing console makers normally releases their systems around the same time to disrupt launch sales, that's why companies are so secretive and announce release dates about their products as late as possible to avoid interference from companies who compete in the same market.

[Gamesgbkiller]

From the leaks, It's defiantly this year. Unless they are somehow going to improve and change their whole plan, then might be next year.

[InTheZoneAC]

neo releasing this year

[objdadon]

If they called that September 7th meeting just to introduce the slim then they're stupid

[SEAN1617]

Foxconn employees already have gone on record stating, that there is a 10LB playstation product being produced since last month, and that slim was in production for 3 months. If that is the case then the NEO will release OCTOBER.

[TwoForce]

Let's see how it's turn out.

[daynnight365]

Took the words outta my mouth.
Imo, anyone who thinks otherwise is wishful thinking. The ps4 is still flying off the shelves. We're about to get the slim. Then the psvr (which sony refers to as it's own platform, which means it's treated as a console). Next yr for the neo
Sony has a full plate right now. We'll all be filled in in a couple wks

[BattleAxe]

The closer it releases to the Scorpio's launch with it's rumored 4 Tflops of power, the better for Skorpio. If it releases in the Spring, then I think that would be advantageous for Skorpio, since the Skorpio will outclass the Neo at every turn, including native 4K gaming, cross-play with PC and backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 and Xbox One games. Frankly, it's not even a contest!

[pyroxxx]

Never was a contest,.. since whatever MS has is dead in the water.

[Officialxandr]

I believe its going to release this year, in October (as most rumors have speculated). It makes sense. Releasing hand-in-hand with the PSVR.

[jmac53]

Andrew House said so himself that they were looking to do an "Apple-style" release where they announce with a release shortly after. The announcement is coming Sept. 7th.

[jairusmonillas]

So where's the source for 2017 release date? Oh wait, It's just opinions of people who recently bought a brand new ps4 and felt stupid with their decision so they hope for a 2017 release even though it's obvious it's coming this YEAR.

[Tzuno]

Hype train, juuuump!!!!!!

[Artemidorus]

A clear thicko if you are sat at home thinking about a midnight date around Christmas time

[pyroxxx]

Why not? I kinda want it.

[mogwaii]

I certainly hope its true, we can wait while they refine it to match microsoft plus it will make us ps4 owners feel like we are getting more for our money with the current console, surely they will announce it in september though.

[Exvalos]

Wow somebody with some damn common sense, everybody is saying neo is releasing this year, to help vr, Sony is not going to release a slim the neo and vr all at one time lol. There push this year is vr, the slim is definitely coming this year but not the neo. Sony knows people need to save money id imagine we will see the neo around the same time as the scorpio and it will have slightly lower specs but will be improved from 4 teraflops to 5ish

[Markusb33]

I think it's obvious Scorpio is basically MS going to the next gen but keeping bc. MS lost in sales and Scorpio shows this when multi plat games sell better on ps4 they need to fix it and couldn't catch ps4 sales. If Scorpio is so powerful it will be expensive in my view. For me Nintendo or MS could release the most powerful device ever and I wouldn't purchase it as only 1 company has the studios I love.

[bulldog2016]

It does seem like a glut of hardware releasing at the same time,but heres my take on how things will pan out:
Sony releases the slim,vr and neo (higher boosted spec than 4.2tf,maybe 5.5tf thereabouts) this year to work the vr (amd have announced this in april and devs have confirmed vr needs more power).
They offer package deals with vr/neo/ and poss cheapo 4k tvs included to get people on board.
They drop the price when scorpio comes out as sony keep on banging on about affordability.
or
They release the 4.2tf version this year and boost another upgraded version late next year.
Either way after thinking more about it just cant see the neo not coming out this year.

[_LarZen_]

I wouldn't be surprised if they show the NEO and some games running on it. But wont launch it before q1 or q2 2017.

[bulldog2016]

If that does happen then its almost certain the specs will have been bumped up even further

[_LarZen_]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking also. Could be that the announcement from Microsoft about the Scorpio pushed back the NEO a little. Going to be really exciting to see what they have to say and show at this even that's coming up soon.

[ifrit_caress]

Awesome article, Logan Moore.

[NohansenBoy]

You're insane if you think this can do flawless 4K at a price point less than $800.

[secretcode]

If it's not out this year, I'll be a bit bummed but financially happy I suppose.

[ABBAJESUS]

It will be released soon after PS VR is available

[corroios]

This make sense. We got nothing on the Neo besides the leaked specs. If the console was going to be annouced at setember to launch this year sony would be forced to be already on production.

They need millions to launch a new console. There is no chance that we didnt got somekind of leaked pic, like the slim.

They are launching in the last quarter a PS Slim and the PSVR and the PS Neo???????? This would be a marketing hell.

I think that sony leaked the faked specs to see what was the plan of Microsoft and they told everything.

[sampson3121]

the smart thing for sony to do is release it this yr with a 4 t-flop console at a reasonable price. this way by the time the scorpio is released sony's neo will have been sold for over a year. they can work on a better console than the scorpio for 2018, which will put pressure on MS. they will then always be a head of the game.