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Fallout 76 - Looking Into Crossplay, but "Sony is not as helpful as everyone would like them to be"

Does PC, PS4 and Xbox One crossplay support? No! This is confirmed by the Game Director of Bethesda Game Studios, Todd Howard, in the GameStar interview. The designer legend has also identified a culprit: Sony ! The PlayStation group was "not as helpful as everyone would like it." Bethesda said she wanted the first multiplayer offshoot in the Fallout series with the number 76 crossplay, because cross-platform gaming is "a big trend in the games industry," as Todd Howard explains in an interview.

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slavish02165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

This is really a anti-developer move. That why so many talk about this. It wont hurt big business like this but small studios don't want to split the community. Old games and small game communities benefit from this. I hope people can look at the game not the plastic box. 80million people don't by every game. Fanboys make it company vs company and scream nobody cares yet comment about it constantly.

Jinger2165d ago

Agreed. Also nice to see a rational comment that isn't trolling or trying to throw someone under the bus.

Just a hypothetical of course, but a great game like Titanfall 2 would have benefited greatly from crossplay if EA/Respawn actually did it. And with how poorly it sold on all platforms a 100% crossplay feature would have benefited greatly.

BiggerBoss2165d ago

I agree that crossplay with PS4 would be great, but at the same time, I was actually around in the 360-PS3 gen.

Microsoft denied crossplay with Sony for YEARS, and I honestly can't blame Sony for fighting back now that they're in the lead.

They're probably going to give in and allow crossplay, just for PR's sake, but it's hilarious how the tides have turned.

Jinger2165d ago

@biggerboss

I was around also. 360 allowed cross play with PS2 for FFXI.

It wasn't until mid 360/PS3 gen the issue came up, Microsoft said this when questioned "we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."

Sony never made a statement or tried for the crossplay or anything... then they got hacked and PSN was down for a while. So was MS really wrong in saying they can't guarantee quality connecting to a service for which that happened to?

This gen is different, all platforms now have more secure networks and MS and Nintendo AND devs are all asking and approaching Sony to accept it. Something that never happened last gen because not many games even supported it.

Things evolve and grow, networks get better, online is becoming more prevelant and it's great for developers to have crossplay because they get larger communities for longer. Sony will eventually cave and allow it, but until they do they will PSN will just keep looking inferior like the hack, not being able to change user names, denying subscription services and the like...

And before you even say it, yes I wish Xbox would remove the Gold requirement to play F2P games. That should really be the next campaign gamers go on to change these companies to offer consumer friendly services.

The 10th Rider2165d ago

You know, I see the claim about the last-gen crossplay situation thrown around a lot. However I can't find a single source stating the Sony wanted to implement crossplay between consoles. We do know that, at the time, Microsoft said no, but I can't find a single source stating that Sony asked for it or was promoting it between consoles.

Jinger2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

@The10thRider

Because there never was anything from Sony. The only reason we have the statement I quoted above was because news outlets reached out to MS after hearing from a dev MS denied crossplay.

Kotaku reached out to Sony about the issue and they got no response.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

NewMonday2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

PS4 is still the biggest market and still makes Tod the most money.

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Skull5212165d ago

All games and gamers benefit from crossplay. Sony doesn't care about either apparently. If they don't turn this around it will hurt them next generation, where it will be a bullet point that PSN users are exiled from the gaming community to play amongst themselves.

Maybe not this generation but I bet Sony comes around, they're taking an anti-consumer stance much akin to Xbox Ones original always online functionality. It won't fly with consumers next gen.

DiRtY2165d ago

I am so tired of this last gen argument.

1st: Sony never said that they wanted crossplay.

2nd: This is nine years ago! The market, cloud architecture and the whole ecosystem for games totally changed. The number of games that did cross play was sooo tiny and there were lots of reasons for it. The security aspect was legit after PSN was down for over a month and credit card details of millions of users were stolen.

Now we actually have a chance to unite all gamers, but one company is blocking it. That is not good for us gamers.

Aceman182165d ago

Where's the fake outrage over FF14 not being on xbox? I mean SE has no issues putting the game on PS4 and crossplaying it with people on PC 🤔

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badz1492165d ago

@uRaDecepticon

technical issues? what technical issues? it was their policy back then to have the 360 players play on their own server, not joined servers with the others.

" http://www.ign.com/articles...

milohighclub2164d ago

@uRadecepticon the money issue can't be true, just cos people can play against their ps4 mates on an x1 doesn't mean everyones gonna abandon ps4 for a x1. The x1 still has the weakest line up. Crossplay won't change that.

nveenio2164d ago

Sony doesn't do it because of Microsoft's requirements. Microsoft just wants a piece of the Sony pie this gen. When MS is in the lead, you can bet the story will be a different one.

UnHoly_One2164d ago

Xbox denied doing crossplay last gen because PSN was garbage and they didn't want to try to link up with that hunk of crap.

Sorry if my choice of words offends your delicate sensibilities, but that is what happened in a nutshell.

And they were RIGHT to deny it. PSN was a horrible mess.

Now Sony has their act together and things are a bit more level in that regard.

I understand they want to lock their stuff down and try to force everyone to buy their console, but they need to realize that is going to piss off a lot of people.

The ball is in their court.

No Way2164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

NewMonday - there is no guaranteed truth to that - not a concrete fact, I mean. Just because there are more gamers (more consoles sold) doesn't mean that's the game they will choose to buy.

inveni0 - "Microsoft just wants a piece of the Sony pie this gen." Please explain this to me. Please. I keep seeing everyone say that. Explain it. How exactly is this going to benefit Microsoft? I'll wait. Cause the truth is, it won't - unless Sony keeps denying it and the other 3 big platforms open it up. And then it will hurt Sony. If they all allow cross play, it won't hurt or benefit any of the console makers. It will only benefit gamers. So, please, explain your comment?

Goldby2164d ago

@skull

"All games and gamers benefit from crossplay."
Maybe let MS know about that for Final Fantasy 14

Skull5212164d ago

@No Way

For some reason Sony fanboys think that there is an anemic number of players in games on Xbox and we need cross play so we can find games or something. They don’t understand people just want to play together regardless of hardware choice. Cross play benefits both camps equally.

starchild2164d ago

@BiggerBoss

I think that is a gross misrepresentation of things. I was around last generation too and things were not as you portray them. You make it sound like Sony had all these crossplay games and kept repeatedly begging Microsoft to do crossplay with them. But that's simply false. There's no evidence that Sony was generally pushing for crossplay or that they ever asked Microsoft to do a crossplay title with them.

Crossplay wasn't on a lot of gamers' minds last generation because almost no games offered it. Both Sony and Microsoft had a couple crossplay titles. Microsoft, for example, had Shadowrun which offered cross-platform play between PC and Xbox 360. But for the most part it wasn't something gamers really thought we could expect in most games. Whenever the subject came up though I always argued in favor of it.

Now things are much different. It seems that many more developers are interested in supporting cross-platform play in their games, network infrastructure also appears much better suited to it, and even the majority of platform holders seem to be on board this time.

Kribwalker2164d ago

@goldby

the final fantasy 14 director stated he wants ff14 on switch and xbox one, but it has to be crossplay across all platforms. And there’s one party that has been stopping it

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

Keep spewing that crap tho, it’s like the 6th time i’ve seen you say something about in the last day, but it does nothing but add to the bad light sony has been in regarding crossplay

mkis0072164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

Me being a single player guy, As much as I don't care about crossplay, at this point Sony has to be careful.

If they make it so a dev has to have a server dedicated to one platform while everyone else can mix, the cost-benefit ratio could hamper playstation 3rd party development and relations.

Honestly, I really don't care about multiplayer online (couch coop is still good in my book). But sony should be careful with its image on this topic. It can't afford to just pretend it's not there going into a new console reveal.

Im more tired of people using this as ammo than the actual lack of crossplay.

nveenio2161d ago

@No Way

Okay, I'll explain it. People buy the consoles their friends have because of multiplayer. If multiplayer isn't an issue, then people open their buying options. If people open their buying options, then Microsoft benefits. They'll also benefit by getting more Live accounts (because they'll require PS4 owners to have one for crossplay), which means they'll have new leads that they didn't have before. They can directly reach out and compete in a way they can't right now.

It's really not that hard to understand.

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rainslacker2165d ago

If Sony is looking into it, that's about the best that developers can expect for the time being. Dunno if they really are, or if they're just paying lip service to the criticism, but if they are, then they'll either make it happen, or they'll decide that they don't want to let it happen. They'll likely never issue a statement about it if they don't want it to happen, and probably won't give any meaningful answer why.

I think given that developers can't keep their mouths shut about it, I wouldn't expect Sony to really confer with these developers about it. Todd Howard isn't a nobody in the business, but Sony will know what is required, and what they expect to happen to protect themselves, and provide for their customers.

Some time ago, I heard rumors in the dev community that they were looking for a solution, then didn't hear anything for a while. When I heard about the XBL requirement for Minecraft, I thought talks may have fallen apart, or not gone very far. This kind of thing requires the agreement of both parties involved, and one party saying they're for it doesn't mean it'll just happen. MS may even have demands that they want before they'll allow it, and Sony can't accept them, so MS may be just as culpable.

In the mean time though, so long as the policies don't exist to allow it with other consoles, it just won't happen. There could be any number of reasons why Sony can't or won't adopt new policies, but I know that if they plan on adopting them, they could take a while.

The 10th Rider2165d ago

"MS may even have demands that they want before they'll allow it, and Sony can't accept them, so MS may be just as culpable. "

Lol, really? There's absolutely nothing indicating that. Plenty of developers that have mentioned crossplay have said that it's Sony that is holding it up. There's absolutely nothing out there indicating that Microsoft is a holdup at this point in time.

Kribwalker2165d ago

you and ziggurcat have been trying to spin this around. Developers have said its sony. Sony has said it’s sony. It’s sony

Jinger2165d ago

I don't think they ever mentioned anything about crossplay specifically in that statement. Pretty sure they were addressing the whole "locking a 3rd party account to PSN" issue.

MuddyWaters2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

rainslacker
"If Sony is looking into it, that's about the best that developers can expect for the time being. Dunno if they really are, or if they're just paying lip service to the criticism, but if they are, then they'll either make it happen, or they'll decide that they don't want to let it happen. They'll likely never issue a statement about it if they don't want it to happen, and probably won't give any meaningful answer why.
I think given that developers can't keep their mouths shut about it, I wouldn't expect Sony to really confer with these developers about it. Todd Howard isn't a nobody in the business, but Sony will know what is required, and what they expect to happen to protect themselves, and provide for their customers.
Some time ago, I heard rumors in the dev community that they were looking for a solution, then didn't hear anything for a while. When I heard about the XBL requirement for Minecraft, I thought talks may have fallen apart, or not gone very far. This kind of thing requires the agreement of both parties involved, and one party saying they're for it doesn't mean it'll just happen. MS may even have demands that they want before they'll allow it, and Sony can't accept them, so MS may be just as culpable.
In the mean time though, so long as the policies don't exist to allow it with other consoles, it just won't happen. There could be any number of reasons why Sony can't or won't adopt new policies, but I know that if they plan on adopting them, they could take a while."

This is a pure garbage post sorry. You don't come up with what ifs. Not when you have no proof at all. It's all conjecture in order to confuse the situation. Todd Howard knows exactly how to get it done so for him to name Sony means he's frustrated with them, just like everyone else whose tried to get crossplay done.

What purpose does it serve anyone to be apologetic on their behalf, because they make great games like God of War? It is getting ridiculous the mental gymnastics some of you want to go through because saying Sony is to blame somehow means you don't like Sony?

The mods should warn anyone for trying to spin this without proof, it's not substantial evidence and just guess work to deflect. It's like me saying Crackdown 3 is canceled with no proof.

Could be a number of reasons? Why of course there could be because you just made them up.

rainslacker2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

@10th and krib

just stop. The start of this comment section started with nice discourse. Stop derailing the topic.

@Jinger

The question posed to Sony

"But there seems to be an issue at the moment, that Sony isn't listening to its players - or doesn't seem to be - and that's CROSS-PLAY , Fortnite particularly. And I wondered if there were any plans to open it up? It seems to be Sony's not listening."

Sony's response

""We're hearing it. We're looking at a lot of the possibilities. You can imagine that the circumstances around that affect a lot more than just one game. I'm confident we'll get to a solution which will be understood and accepted by our gaming community, while at the same time supporting our business."

That seems like it's about cross play, and he does imply that they are working towards a solution. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen, but a lot of people seem to want to ignore that and continue to berate Sony over it.

@Muddy

And everyone else's comments on this isn't the same conjecture?

What purpose does it serve to treat them like a villain without knowing all the details? That's what everyone has done since day one when the Rocket League guy said something, and that was before MS said they were open to it or even had a single cross play game on their system.

Given that, it's it easy to understand why the defense arguments have become more than they would have otherwise? If no one wants to consider anything else, expect people to keep being apologetic.

Jinger2165d ago

I stand corrected. Thank you

ILostMyMind2164d ago

Sony should accept nothing from Microsoft.

gamer78042164d ago

I don't think they even said they are looking into it did they? I just heard that they are "hearing" it, which doesn't mean they are really listening or doing anything about it. Ms is pretty open about it now, in the past they were pretty restrictive which is why only a couple games got crossplay last gen like FFXI w/ ps3/ps2/360/pc.

The 10th Rider2164d ago

@rainslacker,

Soo . . . you're the one that mentioned that in the first place and then you say I'm derailing the topic when I respond to it?

There's no indication whatsoever that Microsoft is responsible and multiple devs have said that Sony is responsible. If anything, it's derailing the topic to try and spin it and say Microsoft might be responsible.

yomfweeee2164d ago

@Rider

The fact that you can get Xbox Achievements playing Minecraft on the Switch is evidence that Microsoft may be asking for things Sony won't approve.

MuddyWaters2164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

"What purpose does it serve to treat them like a villain without knowing all the details? That's what everyone has done since day one when the Rocket League guy said something, and that was before MS said they were open to it or even had a single cross play game on their system."

What purpose does it serve giving them any benefit of the doubt? By now we accept Sony is not interested in crossplay. What Shawn is alluding to is trying to fix the account locking on Fortnite.

Here you are rambling about giving Sony time, because there has to be something. You just want validation from someone important to release the pressure. They've had years pal, so enough of the runaround. They are not a villain, they are a bully who are trying to use their huge lead as leverage and it is not about the gamers. It's always about business with them.

"Given that, it's it easy to understand why the defense arguments have become more than they would have otherwise? If no one wants to consider anything else, expect people to keep being apologetic."

We are done with the defense arguments. Now we are finally seeing well known people in the industry actually point fingers. That's good and the only way to get Sony to move on it is to keep adding pressure. What you don't do is continue to give them the benefit. Epic already proved how easy it is to do. Nintendo also came out said that they should allow developers to do the games they want.

It is you and so many others on this site who want to keep making Microsoft the villain. That they are the ones behind all of this, that Xbox Live has to be the issue. No evidence at all to support it, just there has to be something.

Read Shawn's lines. Our community will understand and accept while at the same time supporting our business. This implies they are not going to fully accept crossplay, that they will make an exception to account locking and the PlayStation community will understand because they can still play with pc and mobile which will keep supporting their business practices.

rainslacker2164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

I provided the quote from Sony, and the question posed to them. They said they are looking at the possibilities. It wasn't about the ortnite thing in either the question or the response.

If people don't want to accept that that answer then that's on them, but if no benefit of the doubt is going to be given to them after several years of ms getting the benefit of the doubt they were doing something with their first party, then it just shows you have selective interests in this whole debate

So follow your own advice Xbox fan boys have given for years, and wait for e3

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GNCFLYER2165d ago

How can we not comment. People are writing stories everytime so there is going to be comments. People are commenting on the stories.

RauLeCreuset2165d ago

"Fanboys make it company vs company and scream nobody cares yet comment about it constantly."

(Ironically ignores who posted the story.)

segamaniaco2165d ago

If you dont like sony's policies, dont launch fallout 76 on ps4, hypocrite todd.
Nothing is holding you to do croosplay between pc and xbox, dont blame sony for that.
And the consumer who is frustrated, just buy a xbox instead and gtfo of here.
Sony is right and their community support their decisions. Dont let ms win $$$ while you lose $$$ because a feature that casual gamers even know that exists
Resist a little more and nobody will talk about it anymore, its just temporary.

ZwVw2165d ago

@BiggerBoss
Lol. Sony never pushed for crossplay between PSN and XBL 7th Gen. They allowed for Steamworks to be implemented on PSN. MS didn't allow Steamworks on XBL because they had their own format with GFW at the time. Big difference.

Aloren2165d ago

PSN was free back then, Live was not. so it made sense to refuse since that was actually a real reason why people would potentially switch platform. Now that they all offer the same service with similar prices, they all have their exclusive lineup (more or less...), I really see no reason why Sony would be against it, since it won't change anything to the market and will allow PS4 gamers to play with everyone else on multiplatform games. How is it hurting them in any way ?

Really, how can any gamer agree with Sony on that one ? Everyone else came to the conclusion that's it beneficial to everyone even without Sony, and yet some still believe it will do "nothing but hurt them". and even if for some reason sony as a business is against it, PS4 gamers, as gamers, should be all for it.

Aceman182165d ago

They'll do it when it benefits them, and not the other two companies end of story. Until then I ain't losing one bit of sleep over this feature I have plenty of games to play.

DarXyde2165d ago

It's true that there are people who might be reeling at this news. Personally, I don't care. I get the concerns though. I suppose I don't see it the same way because all it means is nothing changes. I can't even truly justify being mad about being unable to change PSN names because we've never had that.

That said, I'm not at all surprised this is coming from Bethesda. They have always had a pretty obvious Microsoft slant, in case no one's noticed. That's not a problem, but I can't say this surprises me in the least either.

Ceaser98573612164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

Those who are crying about Cross play are the once who spends less time online , may be gaming too nd will never do cross play . Since Sony didn't budge over this Crossplay fiasco . Let's all burn down Sony... I can understand where its hurting some section . Can't wait too see where it goes.. Hopefully Sony does something later..
oh! and Todd and Bethesda was never a Sony fan.. I remember how they messed up Skyrim on the PS3 so that People get it on the 360. So not surprising coming from them..

sprinterboy2164d ago

Small studios would benefit greatly, i remember buying my beloved "super sprint" on ps3 but never found anyone never mind 4 players online to race with :(

Aceman182164d ago

Hey toddy boy since your such a big man in the industry how bout you not releasing the game on PS4 if you got that type of pull potential giving away 5-10 million in sales.

Let's see if your company has the stones to show Sony who has the real power 😏

Would you sacrifice that amount of sales for some simple little feature?

salmonade2164d ago

I don't want Sony to have anything to do with Xbox... ever. They are going down a path that I don't want to see gaming evolve into. I hope Sony stays away from them, even with cross-platform play... Nintendo is fine though

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slavish02165d ago

Howard said, "but right now that's not possible." Howard pauses for a second, then begins "Sony isn't being as helpful as we want them to be."

TheCommentator2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

Hmm, it doesn't sound like he's suggesting anything nor is it a rumor. He flat-out says it's Sony's fault (not that anyone is surprised at this point)!

BiggerBoss2165d ago

Nobody at this point is denying that it's Sony's fault.

The argument is that Sony is VASTLY in the lead in sales, and it does nothing but hurt them to allow crossplay with Microsoft.

I don't necessarily agree with this practice, but I 100% understand why they're doing it.

rainslacker2165d ago

We always knew Sony didn't have policies that allow it, so nothing new there.

All he's saying is that Sony isn't giving him the time to have them try and make a solution.

I can understand why Sony may not give him the time, because something like this, I'd imagine that they'd want to implement on a system wide level like they do with PC. Just allowing every developer to make their own solution would be burdensome on them, and really cause problems when they have to give individual approval to all these devs, and then Sony could be faced with criticism when they don't allow it for a certain dev for some reason.

Given the hugely negative press that they've gotten over the issue for the past two years, I can also understand why Sony wouldn't really give time or reasons to these devs beyond citing their own policies on the matter, because there have been too many devs who are too quick to cast blame on Sony. This happens regardless of whatever Sony may be doing to examine possibly implementing it as they say they're doing.

Really, at this point, it's just a matter of wait and see if they're examining it in earnest, or just paying lip service to the criticism. And also waiting to see if they actually implement something, or decide not to.

FinalFantasyFanatic2164d ago

As much as a dick move as it's considered, I don't expect Sony to give when they have a stranglehold market share-wise, as long as they keep doing what they've been doing and maintain dominance they probably can't be strong-armed into doing it.

No Way2164d ago

BiggerBoss - Please explain that to me. How in the world does it hurt Sony? Where do you come up with this nonsense? If it doesn't affect their ecosystem, allowing cross play, how does it hurt Sony? I'll wait....

TheCommentator2164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

@ Bigger Boss

That's YOUR argument. Everyone in the industry wants it except Sony. MS, Nintendo, and 3rd party devs all want it.

@ Rain

"All he's saying is that Sony isn't giving him the time to have them try and make a solution."

Really? Todd Howard said, "Sony is not as helpful as everyone would like them to be."

I don't see time mentioned anywhere in that quote, but let's go by your lame assumptions/excuses for a minute. How much time does Sony need to figure out a solution? This has been a topic for more than a year, yet Sony is still standing around scratching their beards like Barry investigating blood stains in RE1. Also, what's whis this BS?

"Just allowing every developer to make their own solution would be burdensome on them, and really cause problems when they have to give individual approval to all these devs..."

Funny, but it doesn't seem to be a burden for anyone else in the industry. Quit being an ignorant stealth troll and just admit Sony is screwing this up.

S2Killinit2164d ago

I think Microsoft should pay Sony if they want to benefit from Sony's base. Its only fair.

rainslacker2164d ago

I'm sorry if my paraphrasing confused you.

And Sony has an implementation for pc that they worked out. Letting every dev do it their own way is burdensome on Sony, and If ms and Nintendo don't have a solution like Sony, it'll become burdensome on them too, because there is no.way to.qc that kind of implementation

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Silly gameAr2165d ago (Edited 2165d ago )

They have a marketing thing going on with MS at this time, don't they?

It's ok xbox fans. Maybe Sony will cave in, maybe they won't. You guys shouldn't lose aleep over it.

aconnellan2165d ago

Are you suggesting that he’s lying or making it up?

Does Epic have a marketing deal with MS? Does Psyonix? Why is that even part of the discussion?

MuddyWaters2165d ago

"Are you suggesting that he’s lying or making it up?
Does Epic have a marketing deal with MS? Does Psyonix? Why is that even part of the discussion?"

You know how it is. They don't like Sony getting bad press so let's talk about our closest competitor. Boys and toys.

Team_Litt2165d ago

If there's one person that'll defend Sony no matter what, it's you pal. I don't think I've ever seen you disagree with anything Sony.
I think it's possible to be a fan of a company but also criticize them for anti consumer practices/decisions. It won't make you any less of a fan. If anything I think a true fan wants a brand to improve more than they want to defend their every move just to save face.
Maybe that's just me.

Prince_TFK2165d ago

Your name suit you right. So anyone who want crossplay must have marketing deal with the devil MS.

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generic-user-name2164d ago

Howard has been in bed with MS since morrowind, just look at how the 76 beta will go live on x1 first for no good reason and the disgrace that was skyrim on PS3. So to see him criticise Sony means little.

Let's see him criticise MS for promising high fidelity VR and then backing out of it. Bethesda are big proponents of VR after all.

CocoaBrother2165d ago

"We would love to do that," Howard said, "but right now that's not possible. Sony isn't being as helpful as we want them to be."

Howard straight up says why instead of typical business PR. I like how upfront he has been lately. Breath of fresh air

porkChop2165d ago

He was upfront about the mods situation too. Sony was entirely against mods at first, which pissed Bethesda off. Sony eventually allowed mods but it was extremely restrictive compared to PC and Xbox One.

Eonjay2164d ago

How does Sony and their lack of console crossplay prevent Xbox PC gameplay? He said no crossplay with anyone.

porkChop2164d ago

I don't have the answer to that. I'm sure they have a reason, but I don't know what it is. It would be nice though. My cousin plays on Xbox, so if they had cross play with PC I could still play with him. We'll see though, hopefully Bethesda at least supports it where they can.

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PhantomS422165d ago

And they are really going to need it since the amount of people who are anticipating this online-only survival game with no NPCs is very small.

aconnellan2165d ago

Yeah the Fallout brand is pretty underground, I don’t think many people have heard of it /s

PhantomS422165d ago

Wow, way to throw in your own deluded lack of intelligence there. I didn't say a lot of people didn't know about it I'm saying nobody cares about Fallout Online Only. Did you not see the hype for this game for from really high to negative after E3 when they said it was online only, no npcs or real RPG mechanics, survival game, forced PVP, and very encouraging to griefers?

edeprez2165d ago

He didn't say no one knows it exists, just that it's not what many fans want from the Fallout franchise.

starchild2164d ago (Edited 2164d ago )

@PhantomS42

And just like with the tiny but vocal group of Cyberpunk 2077 detractors the complaining won't amount to much. The reality is that the online moaners are a tiny minority. Most of the millions of other gamers will remain open minded and judge things in a balanced and fair way, not based on knee-jerk superficiality. I'm sure both games will sell very well, despite the efforts of those deriding them.

BeOpenMinded2164d ago

Wether we like it or not and all reviews could terrible we all know this thing will sell like hot cakes

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

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lodossrage20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS718h ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Darkegg17h ago

Value of AI and value of humans will both be increased with human-AI complex. Each, by themselves, will not be independently better than the other. Whether AI will ever be independent from humans is the fear question of humans, ironically because of our doing. At this stage, most of the doing is because of humans, not because of AI. AI is doing exactly that by our design, until we have failed ourselves with an AI development that went awry. The biggest take is that humans have only ourselves to blame when things become wrong, and we have to decide what is the ultimate goal with AI we want to accomplish. It would take a person with high morals and high ethics to make right of AI. I would not want businessman to decide what AI should do or what capabilities it can have. AI should be in the hands of people with high moral fiber, or those operating on love, kindness, and compassion.

BlackOni17h ago

AI is SUPPOSED to be used as a tool, not a replacement. It's designed to do two important things artists can take advantage of immediately.

- Make the ideation/reference imaging process much quicker and easier (basically using it as a google search)
- Make mundane and time consuming tasks faster and easier so more time is spent on creation.

Unfortunately, what many have done is used it as a way to replace rather than supplement.

Einhander197214h ago(Edited 14h ago)

CS7

In the ideal world yes.

In the real world where companies have shown little desire to innovate and spent every effort to maximize profits the end result will be the same quality games (if were lucky) made by less people and more AI.

Company Real World: Fires 200 people and makes the same game cheaper using AI and the executives get record bonuses.

Edit:

Lets look at history, specifically auto manufacturing.

In the 70's and 80's the auto unions tried to oppose automation of jobs (robots) stating that they would take peoples jobs. And the people in charge who wanted to make more money said the exact same types of things that are being said about AI. But we can look at history and see that countless types of jobs were in fact replaced by automation, that was of course even compounded upon by computers.

The net effect was that the rich got richer less jobs were needed so wages were forced down by competition for the jobs that were left.

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Number1TailzFan18h ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

senorfartcushion16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

He doesn't, he's just lying. These people lay people off so they can get bonuses. If AI takes jobs, their bonus goes bigger and the workforce goes smaller.

porkChop14h ago

Because he sees AI as a tool to aid development. He wants to use AI to help make bigger and better games in the same timeframe. Other CEOs want to replace devs with AI to cut costs and make lifeless games faster for a quick buck. Strauss has the right idea, this is how AI should be used. To extend and expand the capabilities of devs.

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jambola20h ago

Ceo says stupid thing
Part 5837384

Zeref18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

romulus2318h ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody18h ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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As Fallout76 Crosses 20Million Gamers Amid Success of TVSeries, Todd Howard Talks Franchise’s Future

“Fallout 76″ has found a whole new world of players thanks to the popularity of Amazon’s “Fallout” TV series. The Bethesda Game Studios title, which first launched in October 2018, crossed 20 million downloads and plays as of Wednesday.

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Obscure_Observer1d 14h ago

Impressive!

Hopefully Fallout 5 will be among next gen Xbox´s launching games.

-Foxtrot1d 13h ago

Yeah will be great. Can’t wait for it on the PS6.

Notellin22h ago

What's the point of mentioning the platform you plan to play on? Tribalism.

Zeref21h ago

Can't wait to not have to pay 70 dollars for it lol

ocelot0720h ago

Will probably be decent on the HP Omen Xbox but not so sure about the Dell Alienware Xbox though. But I have high hopes for the Asus ROG Ally Xbox Edition running this game at a stable 60.

thesoftware73018h ago

Fox,
I'm sure MS can't wait either; all that money they will make.

Everyone wins.
Play it on Xbox, play it on PS, play it on your cell phone, play it on PC, shit, maybe even on Nintendo.
ALL=$$$$ for Microsoft corp, literally all these companies care about.

-Foxtrot18h ago

@Notellin

You new here?

It's Obscure_Observer...and I like to wind him up by saying what he would say to others

I'm not even that bothered, I just find it fun.

Huey_My_D_Long18h ago

@notellin
Now you're getting it ;)

purple10117h ago

Can’t wait to play this, on my Samsung tv Xbox app,

MrNinosan17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

@thesoftware730
I'm sure Sony can't wait to be part in 30% of Microsofts profit, without spending $7,5 billion + development cost.

All free money for Sony 👍

Crows909h ago

@zeref

You think it's a positive but it's funny how much of a negative it actually is...lol

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just_looken1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Though it would be nice i think tod with his team should stay away from it let someone else take the helm like fallout new vegas.

I also hope after all these success they do not make fallout 76 number 2 sense 76 is the most profitable game they made in the series thanks to monthly subs. Then you got the billion + they made on elder scrolls online.

First thing first is the new elder scrolls title they been working on and we got more updates for starfield to come out but one has recently added a new feature called interactive maps you can see icons along with paths now true next gen.....

So yeah with starfield being there "years" of dev time biggest budget/team size do you trust them with the next fallout title?

MrDead23h ago

The next fallout will be on all systems as Xbox is their smallest market. You don't restrict your flagship games to one of the worlds smallest and shrinking platform.
Bethesda still needs PC and PS as we've learnt from recent layoffs thanks to Microsoft's greed in trying to ban multiplatform publisher's from their biggest console platform.

Obscure_Observer13h ago

Whatever happened to your claims that MS should be boycotted and ultimately destroyed due its greed and monopolistic goals?

You said that the only reason MS released Starfield on PC is because its a new IP, otherwise it would an Xbox exclusive game, as MS ultimate goal is to remove games from players, right?

Now you come to realize that all of your smearing campaign along with all of your doom and gloom prophecies was for nothing!

You don´t really care about MS being destroyed as long Playstation gets some Xbox games.

The moment you find out that neither TES VI and Fallout 5 will be making it´s way to Playstation anything soon, you will be right back where you were a few months ago, shoehorning how MS must (again) be destroyed. Smh.

"Bethesda still needs PC and PS as we've learnt from recent layoffs thanks to Microsoft's greed in trying to ban multiplatform publisher's from their biggest console platform."

Last time I checked, Tango, which released Hi-Fi Rush on both PC and PS5 got shut down while Bethesda (Starfield) do not.

Yes, MS is greed. Yes they do care about the money above most things like every company does.

But just like Sony, they´ll not put their flagship titles on Playstation while damaging their own consoles in the process. I though both Phil and Sarah were clear about that subject when they confirmed that a next gen Xbox console is in development.

That said, the thing that most people don´t realize with all that port begging nonsense, is that Xbox releasing all of its flagships games on Playstation will do nothing but hurt the Playstation brand in the end.

Let me explain:

First - If all games from Xbox land on Playstation, what real interest Sony will have to continue and invest in innovative and multi hundred million dollar single player games that they´re known for? None! I mean, why would Sony take risks when the competitor is doing it in their place?

In the end, Sony will just rest on their laurels by allowing Playstation to be carried by third party publishers and ultimately, Playstation´s premiere first party games will be no more.

Second - After the recent events, you know now how far Sony is willing to go to get that MAU from Steam gamers, they literally banned Steam gamers from 120 countries and regions for it. In Microsoft´s case, you also know they will demand Playstation players to connect to a MS account to play Xbox games, which favors no other but MS itself, because they´ll be "stealing" gamers from the Playstation´s player base, via the ultimate "Trojan Horse".

As a wise man said: "Be careful what you wish for"

Mr_cheese2h ago

Oh Obscure, the irony in what you're saying is crazy.

anast22h ago

Fallout 5 will most likely be 80% generated by AI.

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anast23h ago

It's a good show. They are really good at live action trailers.

Huey_My_D_Long18h ago

Yall have alot to prove after starfield. Personally I think they will squander the potential for the game, but hey, I look forward to being proven wrong when its released.

4Sh0w14h ago

Yeah the TV Series was better than I expected.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

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Christopher2d ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack2d ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 23h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher1d 16h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts1d 11h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid6381d 10h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan2d ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens522d ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop1d 12h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d 21h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus231d 19h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 2h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot2d ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 22h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d 21h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d 21h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19891d 20h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon1d 19h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz1491d 10h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus231d 19h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg1d 6h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl2d ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Melankolis9h ago

Yup. If the strategy doesnt work, all they have to do is to change their mind, publish the games on PC, and they still win anyway.

Number1TailzFan2d ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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