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Tango Gameworks Dev Asks “Not Enough?” Amid Studio Shutdown Despite Multiple Awards

Amid the studio’s shutdown, a Tango Gameworks developer has questioned whether its many awards were not enough for the Xbox management.

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XiNatsuDragnel18d ago

I'm sorry but I'm going for cringe *insert madara got betrayed by black zetsu here* but fr tango it's never enough for Microsoft. Microsoft are cannibals imo

TheProfessional17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Yeah PS hasn't shut down any studios.

Arkane austin made redfall, everything about that was bad regardless of microsft's involvement. Plus prey didn't sell well either.

Tango gameworks shouldn't have been closed though. The others make sense.

notachance17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

it doesn’t take long for xbox fanboys to put on their fanboy glasses again huh?
it’s always the classic combo of “PS did it too” and “it makes sense”.

And they wonder why there’s barely any new fans since xb1 era, that’s because normal people are disgusted by the corporation and its fanboys.

Reaper22_17d ago

"Yeah PS hasn't shut down any studios."

Now you know that's a lie.

thorstein17d ago

Today's lesson in rhetoric:

Whataboutism

-a type of red herring fallacy. Both are argumentative fallacies that divert attention away from the original topic to a new one. However, whataboutism uses the new topic to attack the other party, while a red herring fallacy introduces an unrelated topic.

XiNatsuDragnel17d ago

Yes we understand ps isn't perfect especially not recently but this fallacy doesn't mean anything because if ps saw potential they'll cultivate usually and problem particularly tango where they made bangers that xbox needed but nope man shut it down like tf

DarXyde17d ago

1. Why are we talking about PlayStation closing studios? We know they did, but the "they did it too" deflection is such a lazy way to redirect frustration and outrage about what is happening now. We're not talking about Sony, are we? The problem is Microsoft straight up closed studios they've held for less than five years after releasing single projects. And being the cowards they are, they closed Tango when staff was away during Golden Week in Japan.

2. I don't play Arkane games as first person games are not my flavour, but let's look at this exactly as it really is: Microsoft, a company with a market cap over 3 TRILLION dollars, has doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and quintupled down on their Day one subscription service. They have sabotaged their own titles' chances of success related to revenue by doing that—add to the fact that they insisted on having all of these studios with the publishers (refusing to cleave off any studios) and having a drawn out legal battle over ABK. And even with Game Pass, Microsoft had to close the loophole for $1 subs because their players don't even want to pay the full sub fee.

And now, the developers are on the chopping block. Spencer acting as the remorseful figure after Red Fall bombed, yet he's still got his job and the studio is gone.

Stop the madness. And just to appease your whataboutism, yes, Sony deserves this fire too if/when they go that way. I can't speak for others, but I was absolutely livid when they closed Japan studio. I don't even have Plus because they raised the price and haven't had it since.

None of these corporations are good. I wouldn't lose sleep if they all burned to the ground and something that balances labour and consumer best interests came from it.

Until then, keep the anger righteous. Today, that happens to be Microsoft.

Profchaos17d ago

Arkane Austin were under direction for zeninax to make redfail prior to that arkane actually had a really impressive history so one mistake they partially made remember it's zeninax that drove the games direction and it's a yeah they suck they deserve it.

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MrDead18d ago

You have talent but MS is IP hoarding so only the biggest IP's will survive, a few new ones might slip through but if they don't sell like the big titles like COD or Fallout then bye bye and thanks for the money we'll make from continuing to sell your games.

InUrFoxHole17d ago

That's a fair take. While Tango made hi fi it's not like any of there other games were system sellers

Hugodastrevas18d ago

This is legitimately heartbreaking, you pour all you got into your craft, you're recognized for it, you're successful... Just to be discarded like leftovers

MrDead17d ago

The games haven't been discarded, MS just made sure the people who created them are not receiving any money from future sales... like the massive c**** they are.

Palitera17d ago

Well, in the past, they gave away their choice power for money.
They just want to receive the aquisition and full funding money, but still call the shots?

VariantAEC15d ago

Tango is a dev under Bethesda which is part of Zenimax. Microsoft acquired Zenimax and everything under their umbrella. Tango had no choice in the matter.
The more you know...

shinoff218317d ago

Hopefully they can move on and continue, whether forming their own studio, or getting a job elsewhere. This dev is exactly right.

CDbiggen17d ago

I loved ghostwire, such a shame.

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Hi-Fi Rush Developer Tango Gameworks Was Working On 2 Games Before Studio Closure

Tango Gameworks, the developer behind rhythm-based action game Hi-Fi Rush, had been working on 2 games prior to studio closure.

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That's for people who said that Ninja Theory would not get closed because they are working on a new game

1Victor57m ago

Well Microsoft have to plug the holes somehow to appease their investors 🤷🏿

darthv7251m ago

Tango was part of Bethesda, that was their call. Ninja is their own thing, and MS lets them do their own thing. MS may own Bethesda, but they let them make their own decisions.

porkChop35m ago(Edited 35m ago)

That is technically true. I do think Xbox can still come in and make those kinds of decisions if they want to though, but it's true that Bethesda has been running themselves. That's how we ended up with Redfall in the first place.

I wouldn't let Xbox off the hook though because they obviously would have known that Bethesda were shutting them down and let them do it. Xbox could have just moved Tango directly under Xbox Game Studios instead.

darthv7220m ago

We can only assume as much since we dont fully know the conditions of their partnership. It may be that Bethesda agreed to the merger under the conditions that they still be allowed some autonomy like making decisions for game releases and studio management. Again, that's just a guess but when i see people try and convey that Ninja Theory is in the same boat as Tango... this is what comes to mind. NT is their own entity, under direct management of MS. Tango was not.

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Hi-Fi Rush Gets Surge Of Positive Reviews On Steam After Studio Shutdown Announcement

Tango Gameworks' Hi-Fi Rush has received a surge of positive reviews on Steam after the announcement of the studio's shutdown.

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TiredGamer18d ago

I mean.... okay. While I can appreciate the virtue-signaling of it all, this along with the recent Helldivers 2 debacle is only proving that Metacritic scores really can't be trusted and are just something that can be used to manipulate. If a game/movie/etc is not rated solely on its own merit, what good are the reviews to a consumer actually looking to make the best choice in selecting a piece of entertainment?

CrimsonWing6918d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Exactly! I said this and people jumped down my throat as it was an attack to democracy or some sh*t when I brought it up in a Helldivers 2 article.

It 100% shows how pointless user reviews are. I personally, never make a purchasing decision based on them and if I’m on the fence for a game I’ll watch streams and gameplay and check out professional reviews to form a decision.

Typically, I get what I’m interested in regardless of reception, but that’s just me. If I’m being honest, reviews are pointless and more for validation. I see a game I’m hyped for get an aggregate high score it’s just like a good feel sort of thing. I’ll still buy what I want regardless of people’s opinions.

shinoff218318d ago

Exactly. People put to much stock into reviews and stuff. It never made sense to me. I buy the same way. If on kinda either way I look up about the game not what someone else thinks for the most part.

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northpaws18d ago

Ya, just stop trusting reviews, and give interesting games a chance.

sagapo17d ago

Yeah, the thing is back in the day we got demo’s and they gave you a glimpse of what to expect. And most demo’s were pieces of the final version, not chuncks of beta material.
Today with barely any demo’s, bying on a gut feeling is kinda tricky as games aren’t getting any cheaper.
I do watch and read reviews nowadays, paying attention to the con’s mostly. If certain negatives keep reappearing in reviews, there migt be some truth to it and it’s up to me if I let that negative influence my decision to purchase.

Vits18d ago

You are conflating two different things. First is the score, and scores, by definition, are something completely open to manipulation because they are quantitative measures of qualitative analysis. The second is the review itself, which is what is written, and that is where the value of reviews lies, especially user reviews because they can point out things that "professional" reviews will not, for example, how the game behaves after an update or if it scales well with a certain tier of hardware, etc.

The issue is that most people don't like to read. They see the score, and that's about it. Which is even worse in the case of Steam, as the score system is binary, so it alone doesn't tell anything.

jwillj2k418d ago

All they’re doing is paying Microsoft. Nothing positive comes from this.

romulus2318d ago

It's a great game, it shouldn't have taken the studios closure to receive a surge of positive reviews.

Kurisu18d ago

I wish I had supported the game at launch. I mean, I "did" in a way because I played it when it shadow dropped on Game Pass and I absolutely loved it, but didn't buy it. When the studio closure got announced I purchased it on PS5 while it was on sale though, and have started the game again.

romulus2317d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I purchased it on PS5 as soon as it became available, worth every penny. At least we did our part to support the developer, too bad it wasn't enough.

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Psychonaut8518d ago

Wish we could start a gofundme for the Tango employees, but I have no confidence the money would actually get to them.

northpaws18d ago

That's XBox for you... Promote the shit out of Star field and shadow drop good game like Hi Fi Rush... they simply don't know what is a good game. HI-Fi Rush proved that you don't need huge budget for games, you just need to know what make a game fun.

anast18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

In actuality, both games are not that good. Hi-Fi is an average good game, which is why even the fans of these types of games could only muster a 6k peak on steam. Now, Imagine spending a 100 mil to advertise it.

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Humble Choice Bundle May 2024 Lineup Includes Hi-Fi Rush

The games for Humble Choice Bundle for the month of May, 2024, have begun to be revealed, and they include Hi-Fi Rush.

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