S**t...did he just say F**K HALO!?!?

God Of War creator and Twisted Metal legend David Jaffe updated his blog, which reads:

"Here's a conversation on IM between myself and Adam Orth, designer at Sony who worked with me on TM:Black, Calling All Cars. He also worked on some of the Medal of Honor games over at EALA. Enjoy! "

[macsto]

OH NOT HE DID NOT *snaps fingers

haha

[Evil0Angel]

"Adam Orth, designer at Sony who worked with me on TM:Black, Calling All Cars"..THIS is the a@@hole who said F halo not jeff

even if halo is hyped, than it deserved it, becuase there is no first party exculsive in console can rival it

HALO2 : 3 weeks before this release, a record 1.5 million copies had already been pre-ordered .The game sold 2.4 million copies and earned up to US$125 million in its first 24 hours on store shelves(xbox instal base around 20M)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

GOD OF WAR 2 :In North America, by the end of March 2007, the game had SOLD over 833,209 units(relased 13 march)(PS2 instal base over 110M)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

few days ago-when lair got bad reviews- sony said customer is what mater, and seems customer like HALO that is why they HYPE IT and buy it
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@blow: "microsoft being scared to show that PCs are much more capable than consoles" BUT is not PC also MS PLATFORM ????

[brodels]

seriously, the only reason why the halo series is big is because it streamlined online gameplay on consoles to the masses... which i'm not saying isn't a big deal, but at the same time, pc shooters like the half-life 2 series blows halo away in everything - graphics, story, online play (that's a matter of opinion, but counter-strike ftw), gameplay (introduced the gravity gun, had some cool puzzles and great action, the gameplay's just rediculous). People make such a big deal about halo, but I really don't see why... pick up a pc shooter - mouse + keyboard controls are so much more precise than dual-analogs.

which leads me to another thing... every wonder why Halo games take over a year after its console release to come out with a much inferior pc version? it may have something to do with microsoft being scared to show that PCs are much more capable than consoles =x

[mighty_douche]

counter strike : source is easily the greatest online shooter, no fancy weapons, no fancy graphics, no 14 year old americans spamming the mic... just a perectly balanced game which requires alot of skill. a shoot in the face is death whether its an AK47 or UMP. anyone who dismisses CS:S obviously hasnt played it or just sucks ass on it! CS:S 2 please valve!!!

also still after 5 years the most played online FPS, console fans seem to forget pc was there first and still does it much much better!

edit @ Genki, thanks for the support, im sure many will disagree purely because they havent tried pc FPS gaming and/or are just xbox fanboys. i totally agree with keyboard and mouse, move from one side of the screen to the other in the flick of the wrist rather than waiting for your cross to move around the screen at a pre-determined rate! if your just getting into pc gaming i urge you to pick up CS:S (get it from 'steampowered.com' about $20) its hard going to start but once you start pwning you'll never wanna stop! if you want my steam ID pm me and me and the clan will help you out!

[Genki]

I'm a die-hard console fan, and I'll be the first one to agree with you: PC shooters do it much better than consoles. This is coming from someone who's been playing console shooters for much longer than PC by the way. I played the Halos, the Goldeneyes, Turoks, Medals of Honor, and pretty much any other notable shooter you can think of for a console(not my favorite genre, but most friends are crazy for 'em), and I think none of them hold a candle to what's offered on the PC.

I'd played things like Doom and Duke Nukem before, but I never owned a PC shooter myself until F.E.A.R. Not only was I blown away by the game itself, but the precision of a mouse is a real difference maker. Especially with a game like F.E.A.R. where the A.I. really gives you a run for your money. I do think that a stick with full range of motion and sensitivity is better than a keyboard for movement, but the mouse just KILLS a stick for aim and look.

[FirstknighT]

I myself was a rabid PC fan/shooter. Started with Counterstrike than moved on with Battlefield 1942, Soldier of Fortune, Black Hawk Down, Wolfenstein, Quake 3, and my personal fav. Unreal 2004. I also played alot of console fps multiplayer games like Goldeneye, Turok, and Perfect Dark and I always backed up my PC gaming. Atleast until Halo came out. The LAN parties was so much fun. And when Halo 2 added multiplayer play over Xbox Live...well it was a whole different world. I stopped playing Unreal 2004 almost immediately.

[Genki]

Halo 2 LAN parties are a complete blast. Used to play all the time from last summer up until about spring this year. Halo is most definitely a very fun experience, but IMO, it's a far cry from a game like F.E.A.R. on PC. Still one of my all time favorite shooters. I'll admit, Halo has WAY BETTER multiplayer than F.E.A.R. did...the game just suffered from some terribly unacceptable balance issues(hearkened back to the Doom days of weapons), but as a game itself, blows Halo(and any console shooter for that matter) out of the water.

2 years later and I've still yet to see better A.I. than F.E.A.R.

2 years later and there(naturally) isn't a console shooter with control as tight as F.E.A.R.'s

That's why I feel the way I do. To me, aiming precision is absolutely paramount in an FPS. A stick just can't hold a candle to a mouse in that regard, especially with the sweet laser offerings we've gotten from Logitech over the past couple years as well. As long as the mouse reigns supreme in this regard, then I, as a dedicated console gamer first, will hold the PC FPS above most any console shooter.

[FirstknighT]

The problems with the mouse is that players that have the lazer over the optic will easily have the advantage. I for one was getting my ass handed to me in Unreal 2004 until I upgraded my mouse to a fancy expensive lazer mouse. My aiming was MUCH smoother and I started to rack up the kills. With Halo 2 or any other console game, you have an even playing field since the majority use the same controller. Plus it takes a lil more patience and skill to kill using your thumb than moving your entire wrist with a mouse.

[Genki]

Just like how it takes a little more skill and patience to remove a stain with water and a toothbrush than it does with a cleaning agent and a scrub brush. Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in using the most optimal tool for the most optimal performance. I didn't stick with Cloud's Buster Sword in FF7 in case you were wondering.

I just don't see the whole "mice are for newbs" argument.

For aiming, whether it's a ball, optical, or laser mouse, a mouse is simply the BETTER tool for the job. There's pro photographers out there that use point and shoot cameras for their pictures. Doesn't mean that a pro-level DSLR is for "newbs", or particularly less skilled photographers either.

I think it's very difficult to make a case against a mouse when it comes to aiming precision and versatility. Argue thumb skill vs wrist skill, level playing field etc. etc. all you want, but whether you're playing for fun or to win, you want the best tool for the job.

That's the way I see it anyway.

[JsonHenry]

Dude, I have been preaching for YEARS that Halo is at best a Mediocre game on a console that was starved for a decent FPS.

Anyone in PC gaming had been playing better games than Halo for years.

Although I have to say I am looking forward to playing Halo 3. Maybe the hype has had an effect on me as well.

[Robeezy]

I've been a PC gamer since the beginning, and i still think Quake 2 had some of the best multiplayer ever. To say you just don't get Halo is one thing and thats ok, but you have to understand that this game does have something special when millions of players get this hyped to play it. I just don't get why people have to put it down so much. So it has a big following so what? Isn't that a good thing that games have become this huge and the community is so active?

[WilliamRLBaker]

lol Counter strike has no 14 year olds? you must not have ever played counter strike in ur life.

The only reason counter strike now weither it be CS source or 1.6 is because servers are exclusive if you talk and you sound young they ban your ip, because the servers are user made, when it first started it was filled with 14 year olds, and guess what:) the majority of retards online aren't 14 years old they are actually older, its just people like you that label them as 14 so you can say this game doesn't have 14 year olds when in reality there are just as many griefers on the lax security severs as any other game.

And its perfectly balanced? let alone the fact it takes one way and one way only to win any CS game, Designate one person on ur team as the flash bang user, have him throw flash bangs as he goes out, follow along and kill every one he blinds, Thats it thats how you win, and It still has cheaters out the yin yang, they've had to update the hell out of it to get it to the supposed *perfection* you seem to say it is....*by the way alot of servers use anti cheat buster...shows you how many cheaters the game has in that user made servers have to use cheat buster type anti cheating to keep others from cheating*

Genki: and the simple fact remains that with a pc whomever spends the most money has the biggest advantage, money on a net connection, money on a super rig so they get no latency, money on a hyper mouse...ect

It takes no skill beyond learning weapon spawn times and taking advantage of ingame abbilities and shortcommings, Where as on a console I have to learn the best way to play with a controller, I have to work on my reaction time...ect some thing you dont need if you have the best of the best of the best on a computer.

[MADGameR]

Sorry to hurt you but Halo and Halo 2 got pwned by RE4. Resident Evil 4 sold way over 3M. The end!

[Evil0Angel]

sorry to intrept your party but

As of November 9, 2005, exactly a year after its release, Halo 2 had sold more than 7 million copies worldwide
(instal base around 25M)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Resident Evil 4 show that it has shipped over 3,000,000 copies world wide. Sales totals include the PlayStation 2 port that was released on October 25, 2005.
INSTAL BASE=(GG around 20M )(PS2 OVER 110M )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

...ops.....that must hurt

[TheSadTruth]

seriously who cares about what this guy says or whoever's blog it is? They are both nobodies

[Lacarious]

it can also bring free publicity and attention when you publicly bash a successful franchise.

[Texas GMR]

It's just another developer who is JEALOUS AS HELL of what Bungie has created and only dreams that he could make a game that is that great and successful.

This is not news what-so-ever, so why are people approving this junk!

[skillednutter]

Halo is over-hyped but its a great franchise.

@ Mr Marbles....

I think you have lost yours? as where on earth did I make a platform statement for you to reply too!

[Mr Marbles]

because one could say the same thing about the PS3, it is ok but overhyped. After all, the 360 has more games, better user interface, 104 demos on xbl, and about a thousand freakin arcade games, and even TV shows and movies. While the PS3 has a few late arriving ports and a bunch of time consuming updates that would take seconds to do on a 360. Yet you dont see these guys pointing out how the PS3 is over hyped because everyone claims it is the only true next gen system, and supposedly has soooo much power; power to do what I ask, collect dust?

@ riksweeny
That is not the point, the point is, IT HAS FAR FEWER GAMES, yet we are still told it is a superior console in everyway, Sony is selling consoles based purely on hype! You guys who payed more for it did so because Sony told you it would be worth the extra cost when it launched because it would be far superior to the competition, it is by far not, therefor it was overhyped.

[riksweeney]

@Mr Marbles

Saying that the Xbox 360 has more games than the PS3 is like saying there are more titles on DVD than there are HD-DVD / Blu-Ray.

The PS3 and Wii haven't been out as long as the 360, therefore they have less games.

[IPlayGames]

1st whos talking about ps3 this is about halo.

2nd out of all the games on 360 how many of them are worth playing??

[VirusE]

Iplaygames i own a ps3 and a 360 and in my opinion there are a ton of games worth playing on the 360. Using the copout "but the xbox has been out longer" caries no weight. At this moment in time regardless of the reason the xbox 360 has more games worth playing. That is fact. That does not mean the ps 3 isn't a killer system and doesn’t have killer games because it is a killer system and it does have killer games. I have owned over 20 games for my 360 and I have owned 2 for the ps3. Next year I feel it will be different but at this single moment in time the 360 does offer much more to do. So is it over-hyped? For THE MOMENT yes but time is a dynamic thing and I feel this WILL change.

At the end of the day Jaffe is a halo fan and I think that says a lot. How’s about instead of hating halo 3 because it is on the xbox360 some of the sony fans try the game with an open mind and then form an opinion. I played the beta and it was a blast, I don’t see how any self respecting gamer could not have fun playing….. well unless you suck real bad at halo.

[ukilnme]

I think some Sony fans will approach Halo 3 with an open mind. It's the Fanboys that will say it sucks with out even trying it.

[wageslave]

2.6 - ATTENTION RIKSWEENEY
I created an account just for the purpose of dispelling your FUD. It is totally and completely wrong.

The Xbox 360 has more games, and will continue to have more (and better) games because Microsoft treated the Developer Community as its customer. They created a Development Environment, Toolkit and Tools to make development more productive. The PS3 is (well known now) unnecessarily convoluted and difficult to write games for.

Our favorite geek developer, John Carmack has said, on more than one occasion that the Xbox 360 development chain is far superior. Developer after developer comes out and says the same thing. The games that are available for both (say, Madden, EA NHL08 and others) have the Xbox 360 version performing better and getting better reviews. Why? Because the Xbox 360 is a superior platform to develop for.

All that said, lets move on to your assertion about Xbox 360 titles only being a product of the Xbox 360 beating PS3 to market. Also inaccurate.

Xbox 360 has 101 games rated 75 / 100 or better, it has been out 22 months. That is 4.5 75% or better games to choose from per month.
From http://www.metacritic.com/g...

PS3 has 30 games rated 75 / 100 or better, has been out 10 months. That is 3.0 75% or better games to choose from per month.
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

The "oh, Xbox 360 had a lead" notion doesn't wash. Sony has had a year to bring the great games, and Microsoft has been out-pacing them and the gap (as with the install base) is steadily widening.

Jaffe did a good job with God of War, there is no doubt about that. But the gaming community preferred -- and still prefers -- the Halo series. Halo gets all this attention because its a GREAT GODDAMN game.

His (and the rest of the Sony Defense Force around here) jealousy is starting to show. The Xbox 360 -- and its owners -- are doing very well, and the future looks even brighter.

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

Well I guess if you are a big time producer like David Jaffe is and your name attach to the tittle God of War then you could pretty much say anything.

[JokesOnYou]

some people are so quick to flame they simply read the headline and assume they know what their talking about only to make a ass of themselves, btw who gives a damm what "Adam" or sonykids think, its not like anyone who wants to play Halo3 is going to change their mind because of this guy, ha ha the wierd part is it sounded like this guy was trying toooo hard to be the "cool rebel",

yeah talking to Jaffe I guess he's lookin for a little attention by saying fk Halo, everybody wants to be the toughguy these days, its funny too, because Jaffe basicly lectures him and says that MOH which he worked on wasnt nearly as great as he was making it out to be, the sad part is he eventually agreed and blamed EA= ha ha lmfao, this guy is so desperate for attention he isn't even sure of what he believes.=

JOY

[Keowrath]

Wait, Jokesonyou... Just because someone doesn't like Halo makes them a "Sonykid"?

Quote "some people are so quick to flame they simply read the headline and assume they know what their talking about only to make a ass of themselves"

Nice going dude.

[HeartlesskizZ]

JAFFE: sweet- sadly it will rile up halo fans...hope they see that I DO LIKE HALO! I just don't get the religious fervor and feel much of the fervor has been purchased by Microsoft. But they'll still hate me.

It takes alot to critizise a game like Halo knowing your need an ativirus for all the fan spam coming to you but then again id D-jeff.

[wageslave]

You know what has been purchased? Millions and Millions of copies of Halo. Pre-orders for Halo 3 are at a record, and will probably be the single-largest consumer media event in history.

Halo is a great series, and Halo 3 looks terrific. What I find is that there is a vocal anti-halo brigade from the Sony Defense Force types who simply want to bad mouth it because its on Xbox 360 and no possible chance it will come to PS3.

Want to know why it has so many fans? Because it is great, and it has A LOT of fans. Its just that damn simple. If you dont like it fine, no worries, but the fact remains that the first two got stellar reviews, was loved by players and sold very very well.

Halo 3 will be the biggest game of the 4th quarter, probably be one of the best selling games of the year, and you know why? Because it's a great series, and everyone knows that Microsoft has a lot riding on Halo 3 and its assured to be terrific.

Dont take my word for it, no ones played except the MP beta; lets wait until we see some reviews and/or play it ourselves m'kay? If its like Halo and Halo 2, I'll be damned happy.

[THUNDERMARE]

Well some one got balls to say this to an specially protected game like Halo. To many people its almost a sin to say that Halo suck, but well, got to respect those people.
In my opinion, I will not start any flame about Halo because I think it is useless to convince Halo fan otherwise, it goes the same way when people try to convince me that FF suck.

However, Jaffe didnt say that, in case some idiot fan boys dont read the whole thing.

Edit: 40 min after I posted my reply, I came back I noticed that many people actually didnt read the blog, well what should I say? (refer to my earlier post)
In your face?

Edit: Somebody disagree humm.. now what did I say?

[DwightOwen]

It looks like very few actually READ the blog.

[ukilnme]

Obviously it's too much to ask for people to read. They would much rather flame away.

[leon76]

Nice Conversation.... Yes jaffe didn't say that, adam orth did!!! ahahahahahahah!!!

[Gamer13]

The launch of Halo3 seems like a console launch, sonyfanboys or scared and Sony can,t take the heat no more.

[toughNAME]

but after 4 hours, no one cant counter your arguement

btw your right

[Ahmadinejad]

Hehe, this guy always think he is the big man can come out and say or critisize anything. but saying something to halo3 nearly a week before lunch is just to get publicity and be in the headlights. what a f*cking attention seeker. there was no need to say that.

whatever happens, Halo3 will sell far more than any game he produces in hsi life so i can fel ur jealousy man.

[JCITY]

he speaks his mind...and he's right!!! halo doesnt suck but it gets way to much credit...it's just the hype!!! people don't understand....like i even have friends that are like halo is ill!!! but they never play it...it's just something for 360 fanboi's to hold up high...THE SALES!! this game will never be better than a lot of games on ps2...i truly beleive that

[Genki]

and assume that Jaffe was the one who said it.

For those too lazy to bother reading it, Jaffe wasn't the one that said it, it was Adam. Jaffe even says that he likes Halo, it's just doesn't deserve the religious fervor-like attention and hype it gets.

EDIT: I see that post number 8 is our first...

[Megaton]

Microsoft's level of hype is what turns me off to Halo nowadays. I bought an X-Box solely for the original Halo, and played the hell out of it.

But now, their payed-for fanbase just hurts the overall experience for the real gamers in my opinion. People who actually love the game for what it is are stuck with the hype eaters who live off of advertisements.

Good game? Sure. Most godly experience on a console ever? Not so much.

Personally, the new "Believe" ad didn't strike me as insulting, just one of the lamest and corniest things I've ever seen.

[Genki]

The first thing I think of when I see "Believe" is NeoGAF. IT just leaves a sour taste in my mouth after that.

The whole hero must rise, yada yada yada business sounds like standard fare of most of Hollywood's faux-epic films that we see from time to time.

I can't wait to play the game myself...but the ads are almost...ALMOST as bad as Sony's cooky baby commercials...I honestly don't think I've seen a more disturbing video game ad than that...::shivers::

[Megaton]

Yeah, that ad just didn't sit well with me. Making this game into a real life war drama is milking it for too much.

[Sovannah Phum]

what's the big deal? I'll say it. F!@# Halo! F^$% Bill Gates! he's a homo.

and yes I agree I'm sick of Fps games....at least there's not a WWII game this year.

[leon76]

I love the Halo Kitty poster!!!!! ahahahahahahahah!!!!! one of the best alternative costums of masterchief!!!! ahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! !!

[360RULEZ]

who cares about an AIM conversation between 2 sony fandroids...

HALO franchise is a greatness to behold, even shigeru miyamoto got jealous because it's been more successful than his new mario games ... and here's david jaffe the sony bot who thought that GOW selling 2 million copies was a big deal .. well eat this fanboy .. HALO 3 has already 5 million preorders

when the biggest sony droid (jaffe) and biggest nintendo tard (miyamoto) feel that the only way to defend their systems is by bashing HALO... that's the biggest proof of HALO's success !

[sfinXters]

Are you on acid or something? Halo has 1 mil preorders, not 5. Stop dreaming and get a job.

[The True Gamer]

Ever time there is a popular game, especially a game that is for a specific system. Some one always got something bad to say. If you do not like a specific game do not buy it. But do you think Bungie is going care what Adam says or that kitty aid. I would not. They are going to make tons of money and regardless of what people say it still going to be the best game so far this year. It going to be a great way to start this holiday season. And as for over hype, Microsoft has to do what it gots to do, it is called marketing. So if everbody is all hype about Halo 3 than Microsoft did thier job. But bottom line is Halo 3 is just a game and if you like it great if you do not that it is great also. Not everybody is going to like a game even if it is a great game or not. There are actual people that hate Zelda: OOT. So, no one is going to be please with everything. So, stop hating and just deal with your Resistance Fall of Man, LOL sony fans.

[BloodySinner]

Keyword: MARKETING. You earned your bubble, man. :-)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Damn I have dyslexia and I'm the one who is supposed to have reading problems.

[Morratut]

Funny stuff. Some people just like to rebel against things which are popular.I think Jaffe was speaking to one of those people.

The thing is Halo is the best example of a FPS on a console. At this moment it's the king of console FPS. It has yet to be dethroned.

I will be having lots of fun on the 26th. So will a lot of others.

[SlippyMadFrog]

David Jaffe: "It's an issue of them riding on the sentimentality of people when they talk about how much they care and understand the sacrifice of the soldiers and then put out a sub par shooter that has nothing to do in the play mechanics or design with the sacrifice the soldiers went thru."
I agree with DJ, it's all about the marketing image they are trying to create for themselves and they don't give a damn about the veterans realy. Shame!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What verterans? you mean the veterans of a "fictitious" Covenant vs Human war, hundreds of years from now? Because if your talking about actual veterans (S) (T) (F) (U) and get out of the tard pool.

I wonder just how many "veterans" have played Halo 1&2 and will soon play 3? I know of 2 family members who have played Halo and served, how about you?

[SlippyMadFrog]

Wow dude! I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about Halo (which have nothing to do with veterans). In the article Jaffe says that MOH includes footage of veterans on the disk with the games and the gameplay actually doesn't include anything about the veterans.

[VirusE]

People need to read the article before posting. Many people are making fools of themselves like jason xg1

[MattFoley]

The US goverment uses video games to help returning soldiers deal with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. So if anything i think it would be benificial. Besides how many WWI and WWII veterans do you know that play video games?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Just look up and down this comment section for poof.

[SlippyMadFrog]

I don't know how to explain it any more clearly to you.

1. I am not a PS3 fan, I don't even own a PS3, just a Xbox360
2. I didn't even mention something about a console in my comment.
3. I was talking about Medal of Honour marketing as people who care about veterans when in actual fact nothing in the gameplay is about veterans.
4. My comment is based on the ARTICLE, and not the COMMENTS SECTION. Please read the article before commenting.

[Hayabusa 117]

Quite funny. he makes some interesting points about veterans and comparing there experiences to what we play in video games. Case point: I feel more like I'm playing with soldiers who are dying in Halo CE (not Hao 2...) than in any WW2 game I've played.

And I disagree with his opinion that halo fans have been "brought" by Microsoft's marketing machine. Why can't people understand that fans simply like certain aspects of certain franchises? Star Wars has been hyped to death and is decades old, but no one says Star Wars fans have brought in by the merchandise.

[BloodySinner]

Because Star Wars isn't a Microsoft product, so people won't say anything about it.

[mighty_douche]

xbox fans now comparing halo franchise to STAR WARS!! you guys are insane! maybe you should go look at how much money lucus has grossed from star wars... its billions!

think you guys are giving halo i like bit to much praise, they're great games but star wars spans generations, ask my dad what halo is ans he'll probably think your talking about angels.... its just a game guys...
quick FACT: star wars (1977, first movie only) cost $11 million to produced and Domestic Lifetime Gross: $460,998,007 and still counting, thats just one movie lads!

[Hayabusa 117]

I didn't say Halo was bigger than Star Wars you mighty douche (although I prefer halo universe to Star War's ultra-cheesy world) I was using Star Wars as an example of a franchise that has been branded beyond any other interlectual property, yet no one accuses Start Wars fans as being "brought" by hype.

I know it's really just fanboys being pissed off that a game they don't like is receiving so much attension, and is pretty much THE game of these last two console gens in turns of it's shere popularity. They're simply jealous that they don't have a game they can be that excited about.

[WilliamRLBaker]

dont worry bout him he cant understand concepts such as comprisons of spirit.

Like how star wars is so big but no one claims fans we're bought by any means.
he cant understand that its just a comprison on individual scenarios.

I mean I dont remember the last time a sony game has over 10,000 stores that normally close stay open past midnight...I dont remember games geting sold at 7/11's.....Halo 3 is to the video game world that Star wars was to the movie world.

[Saint Sony]

F@CK! DID I JUST SAY HALO3?!

[Meus Renaissance]

Is known to have a big mouth (KillZone Sucks Balls, contain your excitement) when it comes to the industry. He says the F word in regard to practically everything. So I don't think he meant any particular malice in this comment - "frack Halo" to him means "I dont care about Halo".

[Genki]

Jaffe DIDN'T say F' Halo. Outspoken or not, this man is easily the most misquoted dev in recent times.

Read the entry.

[noprin]

who cares what he said?

[Mr Marbles]

would sacrifice his first born to save one PS3, we should probably not care much about what he or anyone on his silly blog thinks of Halo.

[razer]

HE POSTED IT! Of course he wouldn't say this because he doesn't have the ballz.. He let someone else say it for him and then he posted it. Why of all IM conversations to post did he choose to post this one?? Of course he thinks Halo sucks and of course he would say all these things off the record.

[GoLeafsGo]

READ THE ENTRY, you tards.

[Bullseye]

If, as a developer you had Halo 3 in your face everyday,knowing you will never create anything remotely as cool.Yeah.Then, i guess you would say F*ck halo

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Please, yet again refer to my Avatar for my comment. Thx and have a hell of a halo day.

[God of Gaming]

I heard once Calling All Cars was released Bungie seriously considered scrapping Halo 3...

[DARK WITNESS]

best comment so far..bubble for you...not that you need it :-)

[-CaT-]

But seriously enough is enough. Do we really need to see news snippets and ads every 15 minutes? It seems like MS is really force feeding this game to the world when they really don't need to be.. I can't wait for the game to release not only to play it, but for all the hoopla to stop. Do we really need Halo soda? Just market the game like a typical good game and be done with it..

I pretty much agree with Jaffe here.. The whole Halo "religion" thing does bring this thing into the "cheesy" category..

[solidt12]

Adam is the Man. Up yours Halo. Im still buying the game though.

[FirstknighT]

crappy safari!

[FirstknighT]

Halo 1 averaged 96% and sold millions. Halo 2 averaged 95% and sold millions while breaking records. So how is that overrated? Looks to me the only ones that are saying it's overrated are the jealous sony boys.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

We say it's overrated because it brought nothing new to the table, whatsoever.

They basically remade Tribes, but forgot to include the jetpacks...

[Keowrath]

Of my friends who own the 360, none of them are getting Halo3. They love their console and are extremely enjoying Bioshock at the moment but not everyone is impressed with Halo. Granted there are a hell of a lot of people who love it! (Some a little too much if you look at "Killzone sucks balls" comments) that's great for you!

But not everyone does and they don't have to be Jealous Sony fans just because they aren't impressed.

[HyperBear]

"Hasnt brought anything new to the table"

So I suppose Lair brought a whole bunch of new things to the table eh. like i dunno, crappy controls, lame-@ss battle sequences, the whole entire gameplay. See All PS3 games to is focus on the graphical side of gaming, cause it has the technology to do it. Whereas the 360, focuses primarily on gameplay, and some on graphics. But that is the reason why PS3 games, except for Heavenly Sword and RFOM, get crappy reviews, cause no one really cares how it looks, its how it plays, while looking great. Sony has got to realise there is the other side to gaming, which is called having fun(gameplay), and only 2 of their games for PS3 have done that, so far...

[shysun]

Hehe....oh man the fanboys are going to kill him.lol

[mcgrawgamer]

Jaffe is speaking facts about Halo and his dislike or should I say his opinion of the game itself. That Adam dude is the sony droid who says f*** Halo without any valid points. I like Jaffe he has earned my respect in the gaming industry cuz he makes good games and speaks his mind. Just like cliffy B, or Will Wright. But that Adam dude is a fanboy working for his favorite company. Hey Adam! You got a little brown stuff on your nose. You might wanna wipe that off...

[gEnKiE]

Ohh, how I love Dave Jaffe for posting that.....sigh* He has to be one of the most respected game developers out their right now....

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

He's David "effin'" Jaffe. He can say whatever the heck he wants.

When Halo becomes as entertaining as Twisted Metal: Black...then, you guys can feel bad. As for now...you're all just whining because he's got more talent than anyone as Bungie.

[JokesOnYou]

I dont care which console you favor, READ THE DAMM ARTICLE, JAFFE DID NOT MAKE THE STATEMENT IN THE HEADLINE, he also says he likes Halo but he believes its overhyped, considering he's a sony guy (to put mildly) I consider that a compliment to Halo, and again who is this "Adam", everyone's entitlted to their opinion but he didnt really even offer any creditable reason why, even Jaffe basicly called him out on his veteran bs talk=

JOY

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

NG/DoA Creater can flame and nothing is wrong. Even though he is always wrong.

Jaffe cannot say facts...because of retarded fanboys.

Also COD > MoH

Edit: Whats with disagree bots ? you fanboys from both sides are annoying.

[mighty_douche]

how is ok for one developer to bash and not another...
xbox fanboys are so fickle, people are allowed their OPINION and thats that, maybe you love halo, maybe you hate it, but either way its your point of view.

CRIMS0N_W0LF, dont worry about the disagree's dude, im sure some people just disagree because they can, other wise they would leave an imformative reason rather that just shouting and claiming fanboy, you cant leave a justified comment on the site anymore without being ridiculed for it. dissapointing really... oh well i chuck a bubble your way!

[WilliamRLBaker]

Last i checked the cows *sony fanboys* had a much worse track record of supporting their devs lieing, and saying crap about microsoft xbox devs and then geting pissy when the xbox devs did the same.

By the way Itagaki has been down on tekken since...before origianl xbox.

[bluebrad1974]

That's funny. What did MOH: Airborne score a 6?

[GameHero]

But here are my reasons:
* Too cartoony (if I wanted a cartoon shooter I would play R & C)
* Too Slow (In halo are you moving in slow motion?)there are plenty of fast pace shooters that blow this game away.
* LAG..thats right LAG! need I say more.
* Halo 3 is not much different from 1 and 2(Halo 2.5)
* No air combat (hover off the ground=meh)
* Not enough online players..what is it 8, 12, or 16 players max?(Warhawk doubles that!)

This is simply MY opinion won't buy into the whole Halo thing and NEVER will!

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Well said Bubbles for you because xbots give you negative feedback for what you said even though they are facts.

I lost bubble because I said PC FPS > Halo which is also a fact.

[WilliamRLBaker]

actually you both lost bubbles because your both fanboys of the highest degree and make ridiculous claims constantly.

AS for that Hero each one of those reasons is a fanboy reason.
Cartoony? so your saying any FPS not based in a real world setting is cartoony? I all so love the halo 2.5 when ITs obvious that this isn't halo 2.5 if you actually knew any thing you'd be able to see that.

[sajj316]

Halo was the right game at the right time for Xbox owners. Is it the greatest FPS on a console, I don't think so. I still have that title firmly on Goldeneye. What Halo did was to make the game accessible for everyone to play.

Halo 2 left a majority of us with no satisfaction on the campaign front with its abrupt ending. The storyline is ok but also forgettable. The story can not hold a candle to Jaffe's God of War storyline.

Given the hype, Halo has not done one thing and that's to expand the genre. Any 'trend setting' title should do this to warrant its iconic status. That responsibility lies on the shoulders of Bungie. Bungie take notes from Valve and their Portal project.

Just my take ...

[PS360PCROCKS]

Why don't people just leave Halo alone? I don't get the story either, I don't know anything about "the flood" or any of that sh!t but I respect when a good game is a good game. Halo 3 will be a GOOD game, I am more amazed by the sheer amount of people try to downplay everything about it, than I am about the people who are rabidly excited about it, me being one of them. Plus the funniest thing is, "Fuc* Halo" becomes a huge story which = free advertisement...so hey Adam it's more like "FUC* you!" you just sold 5 more copies.

[codeazrael]

I mean damn, it was just one big party over there. You had the kool-aid man there refreshing everyone's cups and everything! But seriously, you will always have haters with their eyes on who's on top. God of War and God of War II both were two of the PS2's biggest titles, yet with an install base of like 110 or 120 million ps2's those games could only muster up the mediocre sales they did. And nice try Jaffe the Hut for trying to make yourself look like Mr. Clean in all of this. First off, did anybody else pay attention to the crappy list of games this guy has developed? Besides the God of War games, Twisted Metal gets old real quick and Mickey Mouse??? WTF??? He should stick to making mini games like calling all cars. At least then, PS3 gamers can actually have something to play. It's like a famous singer wooing all of the female audience members while the jealous boyfriends watches in anger saying "f*ck that motherf*cker, he can't sing!" Remember Halo fans, Master Chief was on the cover of Time magazine and is well known among even people who don't even play video games. Kratos can't even make it to the cover of the Weekly World News! And to Adam, do leave Britney alone, because we all know you take it up the @ss! Good luck with MOH.............rofl!

[sajj316]

1. Jaffe has children so I'm assuming he's gotten laid many times practicing

2. What is Bungie known for? Halo. Anything else? Jaffe is tied to God of War and Twisted Metal. The article is not about Jaffe .. its about Halo (point of conversation between Adam and David)

My question to everyone ... What is Halo 3 going to bring new to the table outside of some 'potential' closure to the story? More weapons, more vehicles, more maps, but same gameplay? Before anyone say, oh its a FPS, its already limited .. I say the heck with that mentality. A game with this hype should exceed expectations, not meet it.

[codeazrael]

Ok, GoW is something to be proud of, but Twisted Metal.......I don't think so, it's mediocre at best. But anyways, you guys continue to hate yet you still don't have any answer to Halo, including the yet to be released underwhelming Killzone 2. And let me ask you this, if Halo 3 outsells Halo 1 and 2, would that be considered meeting and exceeding gamers expectations? I thought so. You may return to Resistance, and stay updated on PSN to see when Warhawk's servers may actually be up.................and oh yeah, btw............PWNED!

[sajj316]

its what one resorts to when they can't answer the question. Higher sales figures in the eyes of gaming enthusiasts do not equate to expanding the genre. If I was an investor to Bungie, yes I would be happy but I'm not. Resistance doesn't expand the genre either. I'm not harping sweet Sony lyrics. I don't dance to the sound of Sony music. I'm stating my opinion on the matter of genre expansion.

Again, I ask since you didn't read ... "What has Halo done recently to expand the FPS genre?"

[PS360PCROCKS]

@Sajj he might be dancing around the question by using name calling but it's because your question is so nonsensical. What I mean is that your asking what has Halo done lately to expand the FPS genre? The better question is what has it done all together to expand the FPS genre. What does Halo have to prove that it hasn't proven already? I see these ideas from people who don't like Halo who say it's all the same game. Which in reality is very true, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Why fix what's not broken is the age old saying, correct? I just don't understand what you expect them to change without entirely re-inventing the wheel that Halo is spun around. All games with sequels are merely the first game with new levels, updated graphics, updated A.I, new characters, weapons, storyline...etc...I don't see why Halo has this standard that if it follows the general idea of what a sequel should be, that it's somehow not ok? You can spawn a trash can in MGS, does that qualify as gameplay improvement? I guess I don't see yours or alot of others points really. Halo has done alot for FPS and I don't think it needs to prove a damn thing. Why must every game expand the genre? Isn't merely expanding your own ideas on your own original I.P. enough?

[sajj316]

with Metal Gear in the stealth game genre. Its the same expectation I have with Mario in the platformer genre. Its the same expectation I have with Final Fantasy in the RPG genre. In general, I think this industry is getting stale. We are beyond Metal Gear Solid where it was refreshing to see the controller shake during the battle with Psycho Mantis. We are beyond the point of defining platform gaming in 3D space with Mario 64. We are beyond the point of turn based combat in Final Fantasy .. something that is yet again in Lost Odyssey. See my point. Every genre defining franchise has the responsibility of transcending the expectations of that genre. That was my point. Original IP just means new story and new characters within the construct of proven and time tested gameplay.

[PS360PCROCKS]

True and I completely agree with you on most of your points. I think Lost Odyssey was a design decision, as it's now more old school as most Rpg's and Jrpg's are now not turn based, I personally would have like it to be not turn based. But I don't think it's fair to call Halo out personally as I don't think Bungie is letting Halo get stale. From forge to saved games, better A.I., bigger battles, and other tweaks their really expanding it. I guess my only point was I think they did as much as they could without re-inventing what the core of Halo is.

[Nameless]

Any rival company that insults Halo like this guy & the stupid crap that Sony guy pulled on Wiki thinking they would never be tracked down is clearly jealous for the fact that their company does not have a game that can compare to Halo in terms of Hype & sales a game would get. Get to hell Sony & anyone that insults a game just because you can not match up to it. Your just showing how jealous & immature they are at the same time. You Sonians can disagree with me all you want but actions speak louder then words.

[ktchong]

Halo 2 single player is better than Halo 1.

He calls the Halo story "nothing special"... I'd call it mediocre.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

I suggest you put on flame shield my friend. Calling Halo Medicore makes xbots uber pissed and start flaming you.

[bluebrad1974]

It's funny watching sony squirts scrambling because of Halo.

[beavis4play]

i've been watching both sides of the discussion, and i think it's funnier watching halo fans go defensive and spaz over people not liking halo

[bluebrad1974]

I have to disagree, the wikipedia incident, this blog, and the little sony minions on this website are all comically pathetic.

[progx]

Oh yeah...hes a nobody.

EDIT: LOL disagree? Whatever F-A-G, this guy hasn't made a decent game since twisted metal black. Hes a f**king NOBODY, get over it.

EDIT: And your just another pissy f@gdroid defending a NOBODY. What hit games? Oh thats right...NONE. Quit crying like a little b*tch cuz Jaffe doesn't hate Halo. GET OVER IT.

[radical_pi]

and what amazing award winning game have you ever created?

hes a designer with hit games under his belt and youre another nameless number on a message board

get over it

[Zhuk]

amusing watching how jealous these fandroids are over the success of Halo, why do their ego's get in the way of respecting a game? I'm sure the Bungie guys would say good things about God of War, they dont deserve unprofessional comments like this

[THE_JUDGE]

I love that David posted that convo, now all the 360dit's will have to defend the series. It's one persons opinion people, grow up.

[LiquifiedArt]

The ONLY reason Halo is good, is because of its "newbie-Aim". Sorry thats the truth fellas. Myself and my brother did a side by side comparison of Resistance and Halo2. The "AimAssist" is RIDICULOUS in Halo so much so, that it literally will turn your entire avatar to follow your enemy.

On a second note, Its also as big as it is because it was basically the ONLY or one of the Fistfull of good games for the original XBOX.

Its a "Mainstream" Shooter. Thats the truth. Just like Britney spears isnt as good a singer as many other singers, yet sells 10x's as much. (MAINSTREAM). aka. Sellouts of the various Industries.

[midgard229]

who gives a crap what anyone else says, I hate mario and zelda do you nintendo fans not buy the game cuz i say it? no, he doesnt like halo so thats him, he could like playing tiger woods golf more. its all in the person. goodness dont catch a tit attack aslong as ur having fun with halo thats all that matters

[Tempo]

and that adam guy are an anomaly common in any contemporary society, it is known as the counter-culture effect. If we look at history its always been there, the 60's "hippie" movement for example. So what these guys are doing is nothing new. IMO i think underneath this guise about objective criticisim, its just a cry for attention/pulicity that will be in short supply as H3's casts its long shadow over all the gaming media in days to come.

[BIadestarX]

I wouldn't doubt he said that... he is a well trained Sony pet. At this moment pretty much every Sony pet is shaking on their boots... it's like when a huge storm is coming your way... #@$%$% the storm!
Well.. Sept 25 is storm day... and is threatening to wipe everything he is working so hard for. Fear and uncertainty... we can feel it here in this site with the insignificant sony fanboys.. so, it's expected to notice a level of frustration on the first party Sony pets... I mean developers.

Sony fanboys beware! Secure those panty of yours! a storm is coming!

[WilliamRLBaker]

kind of like how you cant think for your self cow.

Blade never mentioned jaffe he simply said that guy, Adam works for sony:) so blade could be talking about adam, and his comments would apply.

Edit: It looks like I'm gonna have to own you hardcore....!!!!
First off oooooooo no he called me dumb baker, I'm so hurt!
2nd off and I Quote this exactly.

(""""Adam Orth, designer at Sony"""" who worked with me on TM:Black, Calling All Cars. He also worked on some of the Medal of Honor games over at EALA. Enjoy!)

there we go:)

[darkequitus]

I am no fanboy, but those who deny H3 would can akin its coming with the meteor that wipe out the dinosours. It coming was inevitable and its defistation to all that around is clear to all.

PC/PSWii60 Gamer

Steam/xfire/gamespy/PSN/XBL : darkequitus

[BrainDrain]

I've come to realize one thing about those people who are not interested in Halo. They don't like the fact that millions of people like a game they do not. Because of that, you see so much bashin and trashin of the game. It's like if they don't love it, they must have to hate it.

I personally don't give a rat's ass what the "general public" likes to play or not play. If I spent as much time hating other games and people do hating halo, I would have to quit my job and devote my life to trashing other games.

[Nth RooCH]

All games have awful marketing spin, it's to pull in the vacuous, open mawed majority who live their lives by what their tv's tell them. This dude can't act like the medal of honour series didn't have some thick marketing in it. And most people talk about how amazing God of war is before even playing it! It's fanboys, pure and simple.

That, however, does not, and never should detract from the game itself. It seems evident that the "f**k Halo" dude is simply trying his best to oppose Halo based on everything but the game itself. Who gives a **** about it's marketing. Fact, visually it was beyond anything else released at the time. Fact, the multiplayer contingent was fair nigh on legendary. And a final fact, the fanbase of actual players is massive.

He can talk **** about it all he likes, but those three points are untenable. So next time "Adam" feels like ripping into Halo, I recommend he do it with the game, not everything surrounding it. T'will be a far harder task, and not one for some guy whose best selling game he was involved with was medal of ****ing honour!

[Stinky Nugz]

halo is garbage gears any one

[dork0783]

these fool's need girlfriends LOL!

[mcgrawgamer]

xbots; sony-droids; nintendrones;;;;;

Are all the same they blindly put the visors and see nothing but praise for their system of choice. This article is a perfect example. Xbots see Jaffe a Sony dev in the article and come up with assumptions, sony-droids see Jaffe a Sony dev and assume he's talkin bad bout halo 3 a msoft game exclusive to the 360 and they come in like a pack of hyenas after the lions have finished the kill. and pretty soon some nintendrone is gonna come in this forum, and say MARIO RULEZ!!!! We've all seen it before.

[rowdy 1]

I think Halo is a good game if you're 12 yrs old. Isn't that the most popular age group for this game? lil help. I can't see areal hardcore gamer playing it. Blood and Guts anyone?

[Nth RooCH]

Nah, I'll take balanced gameplay, advanced graphics and superb online play over blood and guts mate. Maybe I'm just expressing my inner 12 year old though eh *eyeroll*

[toughNAME]

from the guy whos always hyping LBP and R&C

[RadientFlux]

actually it's reversed, it's the 12 years old that will only play the blood and guts or mature games... while the older gamers will just play what they find interesting

[Hayabusa 117]

Don't all hardcore gamers want to be 12 year olds? Isn't that why we still play video games? And don't all 12 year olds want to be grown ups e.g. playing hardcore games?

You've definitly never played Halo if you think the intended audience is 12 year olds. Ofourse it does appeal to alot of kids and youngsters, but most kids I meet on Halo don't even follow the story. Don't forget that Halo 3 is rated a mature game. And Halo CE was VERY bloody, but IMO the blood effects in Halo 2 and 3 just doesn't look as gory.

It's also a bit odd to say Halo 3 appeals to 12 year olds, because the prime demographic for the XBox/360 are hardcore gamers, and the biggest and most anticipated game for the 360 is Halo 3...

[snipermk0]

All of you calm down. He was just expressing himself.

[rowdy 1]

I was just speaking of halo and the age group intended. I feel ya, if youl like it and your 30 cool. But there are games out there that are for more mature gamers. My son loves halo he's 10. I'm just saying it's a popular game because of the target age group just like the DS and Wii. It goes both ways though GTAIV is intended for 18 & over but allot of young cats play it too.

Edit- I will be buying this game for my son. He loves kids games.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Its funny how fan boys did not even read the article and start bashing and insulting.

Just lol.

[deepio]

Who cares what he said, it won't stop millions from buying it...

[RadientFlux]

I read the article and while I am still a big halo fan. I honesty don't care what Adam or David said. It's their opinion and it's not going to effect if I enjoy Halo3 or not.

[ChickeyCantor]

i agree with him, i liked halo2 singleplayer more then halo1.
but my FVCK....i also agree that HALO isnt that special the story isnt really that Amazing, but the great thing of halo series is the setting...the futuristic atmosphere, great voice acting, great animated cutscenes( no FMV).

i will finish the fight not because of the story,but because i like how the whole setting is put together and im not that of a FPS fan anyway.

[Hayabusa 117]

I totally agree. I don't think Halo has a bad story, but it's not that special. It's the setting, the enviornments, the characters, the art design e.t.c. that all appeal to me. However, I am definitly curious to see where the story is going.

[Z501]

Halo is a online e-peeing contest,that does'nt take much skill to get good at.(60 min had a 9 year Halo prodigy Lol!)It's populariy is based on Americans & how easy the game is to pick up & play.
Quality > Quantity
Remember,Diddy,Vanilla Ice & MC Hammer all have Grammy's
(Sales don't mean it's always good)
Have fun with your pink guns oOps! I mean muave.XD

[Hayabusa 117]

Just about every game that comes out now is aiming to achieve that "pick and play" gameplay. The whole success of the Wii is because it is a "pick-up and play" console. Halo definitly got it right (pink guns and all).

[InMyOpinion]

I wonder how much Sony paid them to have that cheesy conversation...

They can try beating it instead of downplaying it.

[s1lv3rw0lf]

If only people would stop b*tching about a game/console they don't like and learn something called, "respect". You can have a decent conversation without calling someone a stupid name and all that other worthless crap. You'll have more respect from others if you do that. Actually, you'll have more respect if you don't waste your time and their time on flaming what you don't like. That won't happen with this generation of gamers though. Hell, some of you don't even deserve to be called gamers.

[gololo]

I don't really care if some says that, all I care is that Halo 3 online gaming is not ruined like Halo 2. I stopped playing Halo 2 because all the idiots messing and hacking the online play...even though I loved Halo 2 online (don't really care about the story...nothing breathtaking really) it was ruined for me cuz of Bungie's inability to prevent people from cheating, I hope that Halo 3 does not follow the same path for me. (Even Gears of War is becoming really annoying with all those glitchers)

[s1lv3rw0lf]

when I'm playing. Mostly because I play with friends I know. So, I think all the cheating is a rare thing online. Of course, I've only been playing since last month, but I do know that I haven't encountered anyone cheating or glitching to win as of yet.

[TalyngarTheBlack]

First off, read the article before commenting.

Second. It is not a sin to say that a series or single game sucks if its your opinion. There are people out there who think that one of these series' suck (MGS, LOZ, FF, Halo, GoW, Mario, R&C, GTA) guaranteed. Do you have to get all pissed off because someone disagrees with how you feel? NO! Remember that tons of people thought that Transformers the movie was the sh!t and some thought it sucked. Who really cares? If Adam wants to say F Halo then let him say it. There is no need to incite a flame war.

For instance if you insult MGS or GoW I don't care because i'm going to buy them and have a blast playing them. I feel no need to defend these purchases because they don't need defending. Must you be that self-concious about a product that literally has nothing to do with you?

[PimpHandHappy]

Thats a hell of a convo

Jaffe said he likes Halo and i agree with him. MS did purchase this fan base

I just tried to read a few comments but i couldnt stand the flaming posts by ppl who didnt even read the convo.

This isnt really news but thats ok. Its still a hell of a flamer debate

Have fun with all you little screaming kids and the cheaters that come along with em. Have fun when the host has a huge advantage!

FLAME ADD ON: I will be playing Warhawk and having a blast on 16vs16 maps where no one has the advantage of hosting the game. I still havent had to deal with stupid kids screaming into the mic and i still have yet to see cheaters

YEa

FU*K HALO

lol

ADD ON: Guy under me. If you have a hayabusa much love. I ride rockets and i love that bike. its a bit big for me but still a great looking machine.

and btw SAVE FILMS hahahahahahahahahahahahaah big deal

[Hayabusa 117]

No Pimp it's all the people hating...just look at yourself. MS did not purchase the fanbase: they were fans of Halo before it started getting overhyped, and there were Bungie fans well before Halo. Once again people like you are simply jealous that you don't have a game you can get THAT excited about. Do yourself a favour. Buy a 360, and buy Halo 3, and enjoy the game. You know you want to.

And don't talk about host advantage like it's a big deal. Halo 2 had host advantage, and it didn't stop millions playing it. And having played the Halo 3 Beta, and hardly noticed a host advantage. Sure, you can have 16 vs 16...I've played Call of Duty 3 with 24 players, and I can say it sucks, I much prefer 16. So, enjoy your saved films of...oh, wait a minute, Warhawk doesn't have saved films!

[PimpHandHappy]

5 hours old and look at all the comments

lol

I guess Halo fans are a bit sensitive huh?!?!?!

[witchking]

So Adam what's-his-name doesn't like Halo. And this affects me why? This is just Jaffe being Jaffe, putting his big mouth out there to start a flame war. Whatever. Gripe and cry all you want about it being hype that is bought, but Sony only wishes they had something that could compete.

Hell, we all wish Sony had something that could compete. If I could play Halo 3 and then jump over to my PS3 to play something just as electrifying, then I'd be in bliss. But sadly, Calling All Cars doesn't cut it.

[Figboy]

but i do have to say that most things that have massive hype generally have a *REASON to have that massive hype, even if it doesn't live up to the hype, ultimately.

you simply have to peel away the layers of BS marketing speak, and see what the title is for itself.

i repeat, i *DON'T like Halo. the first one was a lot of fun, but i lost interest after part 2. part 3 could be the most amazing shooter of all time, but i simply don't feel invested in the characters, not like i do with a Metal Gear, or a Final Fantasy, or a Sly Cooper.

to me, Halo is just generic sci-fi (in terms of story).

in terms of gameplay, it's standard fps fare, but that can be said of *ALL first person shooters, really, and the developers have to go above and beyond the call of duty to ring something unique out of an FPS (ie, Half Life, Deus Ex, and Bioshock).

as far as that goes, i don't mind when a game is a standard fps, as long as it's fun.

Halo has the fun part down-pat, but it doesn't really have any depth to me (but more depth than Gears of War, which would have rocked as an 80's sci-fi film, a la "Predator").

the thing i see coming, is that the hype for Halo 3 is so massive, the media is going to have a field day when the game doesn't meet that hype.

and lets face it, *NOTHING EVER TRULY meets it's hype. the gaming media is guilty of destroying a quality game, based off of hype alone. ironically, the hype that *THEY THEMSELVES generated.

i expect Halo 3 to be a good game. a very good game, to be honest, but, man oh man, do i not want to see the whirlwind when some sites and mags out there give it less than an 8/10, touting "more of the same, blah blah blah," and "it's doesn't live up to the hype (well no sh*t, douchebag)." it's going to be ugly.

people need to learn to curb their expectations of these big games. i stopped believing the hype a long time ago (pretty much around the time the PS2 came out; i was about 20/21 at the time). when a game excites me (like Heavenly Sword, or Mass Effect, whatever), at most, i think, "this is going to be a game i enjoy," and for the most part, i *DO enjoy the game(s), having filtered out all the PR speak from paid company reps, advertisements, and the gaming media at large.

some reviewers will simply see Halo 3 for what it is (the continuation of a popular series), and score it appropriately, some people will see the game as the second coming, and score it appropriately, and some people (i'm going to take a wild stab and guess the Sony Defense Force), will think it's the biggest turd on the planet.

all the more reason to ignore the gaming press and reviews in general, and formulate your *OWN opinion about the game. if you like it, well, why does anything *ELSE matter?

i happen to be one of the guys that enjoys Lair. does it upset me that there are people everywhere (most of them don't even have a PS3, or have even *PLAYED Lair), that hate it? hell no. *I'M having fun with the title. it's not my problem that they aren't.

[mighty_douche]

nicely said mate, agree completely! bubbles for you!!

[Dudeson42]

Of a previous comment i've made on this site, but I feel it's relavent to the given topic:

Ja-Ja-Ja-JADED
That's exactly what I've become when it comes to new games. I've been playing games since I was 6 with the NES/2600. And to be honest I dont think a game has truly blown me away in recent memory (save perhaps bioshock). There just arent enough new idea flowing down the pipes these days. These days theres just too much bluring the line between a "good" game and a "great" game. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy playing them. But I think people are forgeting (or too young to have known) what it was like playing games in the 32 bit era. 80% of the games ABSOLUTELY SUCKED!!!! and you had to dig and wait and wait and dig to find a game that really hit that nerve, or even satisfied you. Nothing has changed since then as far as i'm concerned. An 8/10 in the Playstation 1 days warranted a purchase in my book. These days people arent satisfied unless the game they're looking forward to rocks 9.7/10's. People need to be more accepting and realize that not all games are going to be great to everyone. I mean jesus, one of my favorite games from last gen was Chibi-Robo! A novel concept executed in a satisfactory manner. Not great, not even "good" by many's standards but it hit me in a way that the old games used to. I fear the next 10 years of gaming will bring so little innovation that every game will be getting 10's because nobody is willing to take a chance and go against the grain.

[Figboy]

to Delta: i also grew up the NES/Atari 80's and i know *EXACTLY what you're talking about.

i think, nowadays, there are more quality games (8-9/10's), than there were when *WE were growing up.

i mean, honestly, outside of the Nintendo games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid), and games like Ninja Gaiden, Contra, and Castlevania, there was *VERY LITTLE else to cheer about back in those days.

i mean, i *OWNED the Friday the 13th NES game for christ's sake! (i *STILL have the cartridge to this day, actually)

truth is, the younger gamers were born into the Playstation 1 era where that move to 3D (Saturn, N64 included), changed the industry, and it was like new, innovative ideas were sprouting up every day. they are *USED to this, when, back in the 1985-1995 time frame, games were pretty much platformers. either shooting (Contra), or standard (Super Mario Bros). so many genres were altered forever by the move to 3D, and these younger guys/gals seem to *EXPECT innovation at every turn, like it was in the mid 90's.

well, hate to burst their bubbles, but true innovations only happen every few years or so, if not every decade or so. we were using the joypad for about 10 years before the digital pad became popular. we were using the digital pad for about 10 years before the analog stick became popular. we've been using analog sticks for about 10 years, and while motion controls have yet to be proven, who knows. it *COULD catch on, but for now, it's still quite gimmicky.

as far as actual game innovations, just be grateful that you have some kick@ss standard games to enjoy (ie, games like GRAW2, Mass Effect, Halo, MGS, Final Fantasy, etc). because games were much worse before most of you were even born, truth be told. and the scariest thing of all, is that we really didn't have much of a *CHOICE. the NES/SNES, and Master System/Genesis, were generally the same damn machine, with different franchises/same gameplay.

don't try and *FORCE these developers to innovate with every single game they release. i'm not saying they *SHOULDN'T try for the best gaming experience possible, but the best gaming experience possible doesn't always have to be *NEW, or *INNOVATIVE (ie, a game like Half Life 2, or even Ninja Gaiden).

to me, an 8/10 in my own personal review standards, is a must buy. a 9/10 and 10/10 are definite additions to any library, but i just don't see how an 8/10 is viewed in the same breath as a 4/10, or 3/10, because that's how it is these days.

i feel sorry for the game developers that are seeing their hard work being condemned to doom because of a 7.5-8/10 score, when those scores *AREN'T bad, just not *PHENOMENAL, which is subjective anyway.

on topic, i thought this story was funny, and i think they made a great point about EA and the MOH series, which is kind of really what they were talking about. i love how the guy got all defensive, since he actually *WORKED on the MOH games. lol.

[PimpHandHappy]

and i have played the other two Halo's at friends houses. It gives me a reason to leave my kick aZZ pad and go hang out with some friends.

They have great game play and its a easy game for ppl to pick up and play because we have all been playing FPS for around 15 years!

I will own a 360 sometime in the next 6months. Im just waiting for them to fix the RROD issue, thats all! I wouldnt have bought my ipod if they told me it has a 33% fail rate! Sorry dude but i try and stay away from half aZZ eltronics even if it has some really good points.

and for one thing my friend...I have grown up and i dont buy into hype anymore! I can care less about most FPS's and there is only two in the near furture i plan on buying. Unreal and COD4! Both those games will blow Halo out of the water....

you go have fun on your 360! Just dont play it for to long or you will be waiting to play Halo even longer because your system is in the shop!

If they told me they had dedicated servers for the game that would really help. 8vs8 with one of those 16ppl having a huge advantage because they host is just plain funny! Add in the cheaters and you got a game that is far from perfect online...

so do yourself a favor my friend. Go buy a PS3 and get on Warhawk. You know you want it

[wageslave]

When Microsoft announced the 3 Year Extended Warranty, they also said that they have remediated the issues.

Every HDMI-enabled motherboard is Motherboard Version 1.1; fewer components, smaller components, new layout, new CPU/GPU mounting.

If you buy a machine, and want to be more comfortable you wont be that small minority to have a problem (it is a small group of vocal users + FUDbots) -- then get a Version 1.1 Motherboard. That will be all the HDMI enabled Xbox 360s.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

It just gets worse. I respect Jaffe as a developer, he certainly has made some great games. But this...well this imo is just a backhand slap at Bungie. David's attempt to "defend" Halo seemed fairly weak and un-inspiring...ie...he didnt really believe it but was saying it any way cause he wanted to post the discussion as soon as Adam made his comments. He knew he would get flamed so he tried to deflect by acting like he was defending Halo.

Fact of the matter is this conversation should never have been posted by a responible and community sensitive person in the industry. You don't bash your fellow developers publically. It's a small world...and yes David technically didn't but him posting this up is almost as bad. It just stirs the pot...and I guess thats his intent. He is firmly in the Sony camp, and apparently now part of the PR dept. and doing all he can to throw mud and topple the competion. Clearly Jaffee has sold out 100% to Sony.

As for Adam....well those in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks...

[THAMMER1]

Which is worthy of the hype. Why are mostly Sony fans trying to disaccredit the Halo franchise?

Envy? Jealousy? Increased sales numbers for the Xbox 360 console?

I say the haters can stuff it. You have heavenly sword to look forward too. Jaffe is a loud mouth. He needs to work on his new games and STFU. You Sony fan boys need to STFU too. Go play War Hawk that will help you forget about the looming shadow of HALO 3.

[Figboy]

I'm a big Playstation 3 fan. read my first comment on this story above.

i don't fear Halo. why should i?

is Halo going to cause undue pain to the millions of the Playstation 3 owners out there?

did Halo have an effect on the, what was that number again? 115 MILLION Playstation 2 owners out there when it was introduced on the X Box? how many consoles did the original X Box sell again? 25 million, and it had not one, but *TWO Halo games?

truth is: Halo has *NOTHING to do with the Playstation fanbase. anymore than, say, God of War, has to do with the X Box fanbase.

Halo is simply a really fun sci-fi FPS series for X Box owners to enjoy. believe me, if a Playstation fan really, truly, wanted to play Halo, they would have jumped on board the *FIRST TWO times.

i used to own the original Halo. i had a great time with it (me and the guys at Activision would stay after work, and hook up about 8 X Boxes for some 16 player team deathmatches. *GOOD TIMES). Halo 2 lost me. still a good game, even if it didn't live up to the hype for some, but i lost interest in the title at the time.

i don't want to repeat myself, but i think Halo 3 will be a very good game. probably a *GREAT game, but it won't live up to the ridiculous expectations that it's fanbase, and the gaming media are placing on it. it's impossible to reach that high a level of hype. doesn't mean the game won't be any good.

as a sole Playstation 3 owner (and there a few million like me; just ask Japan), Halo has little effect on what i purchase, or enjoy this fall. it's simply an awesome game for 360 owners to enjoy. i don't "hate" it, or want it to die and burn in hell. it's just a game. created for our entertainment. it's not a cult, or a religion. just a good game.

and yes, as a Playstation 3 fan, i can say that Halo is a good game (though i'm sure i'll probably be kicked out of the club), even though i don't own a 360 (still own my X Box though).

so don't go hurling generalizations about PS3 fans simply fearing the "looming shadow of Halo 3." for most sole PS3 owners, Halo 3 doesn't even exist. to Playstation *FANBOYS, sure, they're probably writhing in agony at the thought of the 360 getting a good game, but the same can be said for the X Box *FANBOYS, who are bursting a few neck veins whenever a Playstation 3 game scores an 8/10 or higher.

[THAMMER1]

Then why do you feel the need to post? Why do you think so many PS3 fan boys are in this thread talking trash? If you see there is no need then why respond to some thing that is not directed to you?

The Sony fan base has a parasite, it may not be you but this group of haters makes you all look bad.

[PimpHandHappy]

did you read the convo? Jaffe didnt have one bad word to say about Halo

[tplarkin7]

He is overrated and likely had much less input on any of his games than he would lead us to believe. His opinion is worthless.

[IQUITN4G]

He's quite up his own A hole this guy.

And from previous stuff he has said, requires a bit more growing up.He's fairly young though so it's forgiveable i guess.

Make something truly AAA (GOW was cool but not close to Gaiden's quality in terms of combat)and then maybe a good point you might make.

Anyone that states they just don't get it when referring to Halo is a plonker.

[MoonDust]

give a F.

[NeXuSIoN]

http://web.mac.com/adamorth...

[ShiftyLookingCow]

thanks. Kitty Chief did spice it up quite a bit. I added it as an alt src

[Guitarded]

Both these guys are total losers so who cares what they have to say!

[MikeGdaGod]

F*CK HALO!!!!!

.......j/k.........no i'm not.......yes i am.........no i'm not

[Xbox is the BEST]

much has God of War sold on a 110 million PS2 user base???? He's just hating one of our Sony goons.

[sleepbox]

Jaffe is an overrated douche...who cares about his opinion? Well, I just don't GET God of War...it's so easy an armless man could play through it without dieing but it sure is purty. IMO, I play games for gameplay, and I'm not into fantasy/mythology/ancient stories...you know you're dealing with a lamer when they allow the story of a game to sway their decision on whether it is good or not...unless you're speaking of RPGs.

Oh, and who cares about all of your opinions that are taking this man's words without a grain of salt...agreeing with this jackass. You won't affect Halo 3 sales in the least...you are wasting your breath. Jaffe has already proven he is incapable of making a decent multiplayer game w/ calling all cars.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

haha that was a very funny read, and it was a honest conversation. I also think Believe Ad is ridiculous. People getting mad at Jaffe, you didn't read the whole thing. Halo did a lot for console shooters, and believe it or not its got an intriguing story with an universe that truly feels big even though its very strange. As for Adam, well he is just nuts.

[codeazrael]

Halo fans comment, but we do not have to defend Halo at all, the sales figures do that. I would have to defend the God of War series if I were Jaffe considering that pair of games was supposed to be a killer app, and yet with over 120 million ps2 gamers, sales sucked.....now that's something Jaffe should've been scratching his head about. If that series can't easily sell to at least 10% of the ps2 user base, then what makes these fanboys think a God of War 3 (which won't be out until at least 2010 at the very earliest) or a MGS4 or Final Fantasy will have huge sales to an install base the PS3 has? Class dismissed...go home and do your homework, and tommorrow bring a green apple for your teacher, Mr. Master Chief! ; )

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

stop smokin rocks.

2010?

[kornbeaner]

Gran Turismo 1 = 10.85 million sold
Gran Turismo 2 = 9.37 million sold
Gran Turismo 3 = 14.87 million sold
Gran Turismo 4 = 8.79 million sold

Halo 1 = 6.43 million sold
Halo 2 = 8.27 million sold
Halo 3 = *1.5 pre-orders

As you can you see a game that has basically no story, non of the so-called "greatness" of Halo has been outselling halo since the series was created. Homework completed can I get extra credit as well.

VGchartz numbers
GT: http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

HALO: http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

And also don't forget about how many units sold for the GTA series on the PS2.

GTA 3 = 11 million
GTA VC = 12 million
GTA SA = 13 million

these numbers are from sales on the PS2 only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

[codeazrael]

Xbox install base around 35 million compared to ps2 120 million.........now look at those Halo numbers compared to those biggest titles that came out for the ps2...........doesnt seem so impressive anymore, do it? At least Halo was selling to more than 10% of the Xbox install base.........and I noticed you didnt add the GoW numbers. And if these biggest titles for the ps2 sold the relative small numbers they did for an install base that large, my question is what did the thousands of other subpar titles for the ps2 sell? Case dismissed, you may jump off a building now.

[kornbeaner]

Thanks, as a Sony fan I am inspired by your words. Per your definition, the console I currently own and play has 2 of the best games ever created. Resistance and Motorstorm. Since it only has a little over 4 million consoles sold and these games have sold a little over a million, that means that these 2 games have reached about 25% of there fan base damn these game are the best ever made!!!!

Percentage of install based reached has nothing to do with the bigger picture of total units sold. Lets say if the PS2 had only sold 25 million units sold and GTA sold the same then what? does that make GTA way better then what is previously perceived? of course not. Yes the PS2 sold 120 million units, whats your point. Did you notice that on the wikipedia link I posted there are only about 20 games in the span of the Xbox brand that have reached over 1 million sold. while the PS1 has that beat by a whole lot and combined with PS2 numbers the list of game that have sold more then a million is about 15x bigger then that of the Xbox list. The reason people have bought the PS brand is because they have games that a large audience is interested in, the list of 1 million+ games shows that. If Halo was all that great it should've easily beat GTA numbers, since there was very little to play on the Xbox to begin with. GTA sold a mass amount of units on a system that had other games that people were interested in. While Halo reached a big number on a system that didn't really have any competition for software.

Ding, Ding!!

[Xi]

you're just upset because your games will never reach the same level, with you Ninja gaiden ripoff, and calling all cars.

Just accept the fact you're games aren't that great and get over it.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

a Ninja.....Gaiden.....ripoff. wow.

and i`m pretty sure GOW 1/2 is more purchased AND has HIGHER scores overall then Ninja Gaiden.

and you`ve made it incredibly obvious that you`ve NEVER played GOW 1/2.

[codeazrael]

And Adam is playing the little fairy carrying around a bag of pixie dust. Mickey Mouse................really, I would have left all but a couple of those games on my resume. Besides, it's clear that Jaffe prefers to make mini games anyway.

P.S. for the people that keep on saying Jaffe didnt say anything bad about Halo, it's not what he said, it's what he did. Why include this IM on your blog if you're not trying to either, get attention, or indirectly hate on Halo? I can see if either guy made some points that were soo good that the conversation had to be added, but I didnt get any enlightment from that, just some hatin from Adam Ant and a big smile on the face of King Jaffe Jopher (coming to America)

[Cat]

David Jaffe hasn't exactly created a legacy of guarding his tongue. Color me unsurprised.

[fopums]

hilarious read, that was great!

I completley agree in the sense that its kinda effed up marketing Master Chief as a real hero, but the marketing giant isnt about to let up anytime before the 25th or after for that matter.

leavee brittney alone! xD

[Salvadore]

But the game will rock and that's a fact.

[Charlie2688]

Well Jaffe is never afraid to say what he thinks or how things are

XD

[Boink]

was he didn't get it.

good for him, I don't get button mashers that throw in some nudity for sales...

[Charlie2688]

so you dont get Itagakis games?

OK fair enough

[eLiNeS]

...easy as that!

M$ needs no hype for HALO 3, it would sell millions no matter what. Say what you want about it but it's not going to change the way people feel about it. If you can't beat'em, join'em.

See you all on HALO 3!!!!

[MANTIIS]

the mission of a sheep.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

...dude(adam) really shows a real sense of inadequacy after Jaffe correctly Identifies MOH as the purely pedestrian,and mediocre effort that it was.

it would have at least been funny if dude has some original material.

but it comes off like the tears of denial from a weeping child (no.. nooo nooooo!! MOH really was great,..NOOOOO, it's Halo that's all fouled up).

EVEN MORE SHOCKING WAS THE MOCKING, GIBBERING, AND CAPERING PARADE OF FANBOYS THAT FOLLOWED IN HIS FOOTSTEPS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE ACTUAL CONTENTS OF THE ARTICLE.

everybody knows that the "Caption" for a story on this site is always the set-up move, yet they walked into it anyway like a deer trying to cross a busy interstate highway during rush hour.

it almost makes me want to hang my head and weep for the brazen folly exhibited on this web site today.

and Jaffe was professional enough to keep his mouth off the Master Chief during the entire email. LOL!!!

[BLACKJACK VII]

Hey he has a right to his opinion, he doesn't "get" Halo...

That's okay, because we all have different preferences. I don't "get" the Wii's popularity (must be price), JRPGS, Metal Gear's 1984 gameplay, button mashers, 6 axis controls over rumble (WTF?), or Sony's FUD.

HALO 3 is a machine, look at all the media attention alone... never seen a game garner so much Love &/or Hate. There has *never* been a bigger videogame than the Halo series, & Halo 3 is going to set all sorts of sales records that other developers, such as Mr. Jaffee, will never touch.

People are just going to jump on the 'hate' bandwagon to try & attract attention to themselves, because come September 25th, they will all be forgotten & PWNED !!!

[MANTIIS]

Personally, I find it humorous what Jaffe and the Adam guy said. And personally, I can understand why, Jaffee, who is responsible for another IP, God of War- which is a different genre, but superior to Halo as a game- would be so ballsy talking about the subject.

Regardless, although as I write this, I am wearing a Halo T-shirt, I would be the first to admit that Halo is, at its core-a mediocre game. There is nothing fantastic about it, except the advertising dollars and hype equation that MS has paid for it to reach the status in the market that it currently possesses. Outside of that, there is nothing about this series that makes it better that an Call of Duty, Half Life, or even, in my opinion, an Unreal- series game.
Actually, in my opinion, you can add Resistance to that list, as well. For me, what I DO like about Halo is the setting it takes place in, all the minutae, the backgrounds, worlds, design. But as far as weaponry, rules, control, and gameplay- I've seen it all before.

I think what this comes down to is brand recognition (Master Chief), which in turn is fueled by advertising dollars. I remember back in '00 reading several articles on game sites about how MS was looking for a "spokesperson" to represent their first foray into console gaming. Something similar to what Mario is to Nintendo. I remember prototypes of the first images of what eventually would become Master Chief. One such image was some futuristic looking chick standing next to a mech. Already they were cultivating the phenom that Master Chief has become. So you see, this hype factor was something that was deliberately cultivated, grown outside the merits of the game. Its just one huge advertising campaign and I think it was one that a mediocre game can easily fit into (missing piece of the puzzle), to become something bigger than what it inherently is (or to become a success). Still, with all such products there will be sheep, and followers. I am not one such gamer that is not so swayed, or so easily impressed. I for one have no problem relegating the series to my PC, with my other FPS's, for which it was originally designed (besides Apple). Speaking of Apple, that summons to mind a pertinent analogy- Halo is the Ipod of FPS's. There are other, even better, MP3 players out there, but everybody's just got to have one. Marvel, the power of the almighty dollar.

[IQUITN4G]

You are a prat Mantiis is you think Halo is mediocre

[VirusE]

"I remember back in '00 reading several articles on game sites about how MS was looking for a "spokesperson" to represent their first foray into console gaming. Something similar to what Mario is to Nintendo. I remember prototypes of the first images of what eventually would become Master Chief. One such image was some futuristic looking chick standing next to a mech."

I just laughed so hard I think I pissed my pants. You "knowledge" of video game history is amazing. That was not the master chief that was for a completely different game. Halo was originally shown at mac world long before any of the 360 tech demos and while the chief did look different he wasn’t (LOL) the chick with the robot holding a hammer that you are referring to.

[Xbox is the BEST]

Well every fps since Halo has copied something from Halo for instance life recovery system. There is no more life bars in COD,MOH series and Halo controls are better than FPS on consoles don't even bring up RFOM that sh1t is wack with life bars.

[MANTIIS]

You don't say? I'm fully well aware that the chick wasn't Master Chief, but what she was- was one of the first prototypes that MS came up with BEFORE Master Chief to possibly represent Xbox gaming. The Master Chief at Mac World wasn't even in the cards yet, because that took place BEFORE MS's involvement with Bungie. My thesis flew right over your head, didn't it? And Sony Rep, RFOM's game score's speak for themselves, but the life bar's are a bit of a nuisance (good point). As far as Adropatrich_2 or whatever, goes- go back to school and learn some appropriate grammar if you want to diss me, or get off the pipe.

[KoRn_Dowwg666]

I wouldn't say Halo is a bad game but hey, I still have a lot of respect for him for having the balls to speak his thoughts and say it is =D

[fopums]

you know for those saying "hes just butt hurt cuase his game isnt as good as Halo!" need to realise it wasnt Jaffe that said F&CK Halo, but whatever, buy the post count in here and the name calling it shows a lot of insucurity from both sides both Halo haters and the supporters.

his point is he didnt like Halo's marketing craze, and that playing off master chief as a hero is insulting to actual veterans.

[Aramis001]

One argument I hear frequently against Halo is that it did nothing revolutionary. These people will usually admit to the health bar and multi-player aspects as revolutionary, but other than that these critics simply bash it for not having many extremely new
ideas/features. Well I have a question. What console shooter in recent years HAS done anything like that? RFoM? I don't see any insanely new ideas there. Fear? Black? Good games all, but revolutionary? I think not.

Halo is the game it is today not because it's the George Forman grill of video games (completely unintentional use of the ps3's nickname, not trying to flame or insult it at all). It's popular today because it was the first game of the generation to really take all the good features of shooters of the day, and combine them...and even more amazingly make it work well on a console. There's a reason every console shooter that comes out these days is compared to Halo. There's a reason it's the most played XBL title (for 2 years straight), and there's a reason that the third installment has 4 million preorders already. It's not because Halo is an over hyped POS game. The only *console* gamers who truly believe that are rabid fanboys, most of which are afraid of Halo (be honest). Halo is Halo because it had an epic storyline, good AI, awesome multiplayer, excellent vehicles, well designed and balanced weapons, and most of all because it's a fast paced and FUN game to play.

Yes MS is selling the sh*t out of it, but do you really think sony wouldn't do the same thing if it stood to make as much cash as MS is sitting on with this game? Hell no. And Adam Orth's comment about vet disrespect is laughable, especially coming from a developer of MOH. Showing a vet of a fictional war speaking of events that did not and never will (hopefully) happen in a game set about 550 (or so) years in the future is ridiculous. Everybody get in a bunker, before the vets revolt in fury and destroy every copy of Halo 3!!! Save yourself while you still can!!!

This sort of mudslinging against Halo (by people working for PS games...coincidence?) is completely unwarranted and entirely unjustified. I have never heard a bungie employee bad-mouthing any PS game...ever. Come on, show some class. How about letting the public decide what it likes to play, instead of bad-talking other games because you dislike them or they're on another platform. Jeez, its like developers are turning into politicians all of a sudden...

[GRAMPAGAMER]

.. I totally disagree, but I have to say #98 was at least an entertaining post.

I know you have friends that own a 360, and I'd be willing to bet that on sept 25, you'll be right there with your 360 Buds, anxiously awaiting your turn.

they'll probaly have to pry the controller from your tightly wrapped fingers and threaten to call the police just to get you to go home so you can make it to work on-time.

No. I don't know you,.. but I'll make an educated guess that you'll find somebody to play halo with.

I BET HALF THE HATERS ON THIS SITE HAVE THE GAME ON PREORDER.

game on then...

[MANTIIS]

Actually, I'll be in my Networking class on that day building LANS (no, I don't think Halo 3 is the kind of game that would have me ditch class). When I get home, if I play a game, it'll probably be Warhawk, or maybe something on my PC. I stand by what I say, I am not a hypocrite. If you truly must know what my interaction with the game will be, it will be once a month, as a precursor to TNA PPV's (as is the ritual with my friend's who own 360's). I doubt that my hands will be rigor mortised on the controller, because those kinds of game's only come along a few times a console generation, and I doubt that a nicely tweaked, prettier version of Halo 2 is it. Honestly, I do intend to have an all nighter with the game at some point, only because I completed the other two and I want to "finish the fight" heh. But will I be running out of my way to play this game right away? Hell no. If I wanted the game so bad, I could run out tomorrow, go to the bank and buy a nice limited edition H3 360 at Best Buy(like MS would like me to do), but I won't be doing that either. I guess your theory about my closet gaming practices is wrong. You can keep the copy of MOH:Airbourne, you might need it to trade in a Gamestop toward your copy of Halo 3.

[I_killed_TheMart]

can't we all just get along?...anyways halo sucks

[AngryTypingGuy]

More people play Halo than God of War and Twisted Metal combined, x2. Who cares what he says.

[Dannagar]

Sometimes there's nothing to get. OO7 Golden Eye by the standards of the day wasn't above and beyond other games in it genre. I can't even explain why so many loved it. It was just a fun game to play. So if Jaffe doesn't get Halo, his mind is clouded by his Sony Fanboyism.

As for his friend saying "F@#$ Halo", that's just something people say when they've been defeated.

[VirusE]

Here is my take. I had never seen much of halo 1 and I was a Nintendo man at the time. I went to my friend’s house and he had halo. I played it for 15 minutes and was blown away. He then started up a 4 player death match and we played for 3 hours straight. The next day I went and bought a 360 and halo end of story. No hype, no marketing, none of the bull sh!t the sony fans are tossing out. I like halo because when I played the game it was fun end of story. If you don’t like the game great, stop spending so much time trying to convince me that it sucks. Some of you are talking about MS warping halo fans minds yet you want us to let you warp our minds. Ironic, don't you think. Millions of people like halo so get over it.

[Xbox is the BEST]

thing happened to me. I hated once til I played it at my friend's house and at that time PS2 had games but no game compared to Halo. The controls were perfect for a shooter on a console the entire game is flawless A.I. top notch it is a better game than RFOM. How much $$$ Bungie for you guys to be exclusive to Sony???

[d3l33t]

*throws 2 cents

[Wii60_FTW]

f*ck Medal of Honor. Halo will destroy every last sony dog.

[Jinxstar]

Ok normally I try to be civil. I know I will get a ton of disagrees for this but I dont care.

Xbox fanboys are to the video game world what Marines are the the armed forces. Dumb, Narrow minded, 1 tracked and jaded. I know I worked with Marines.

Also I agree. "FVCK HALO" Its lame and you all are just following the shinney bright lights that MS is putting there for you... "OoOoOo Shiney"

[Wii60_FTW]

we love halo because it's shiny? because we are tricked into liking it? not because of the amazing gameplay? stfu, sony dog. eat my sh1t

[codeazrael]

If you mean the first to fight as well as being the elite force, I'd agree with you.

[GoLeafsGo]

..seems like people just didn't bother to read the article.

Ignorance FTW =)

[Ps3Fanboy777]

Seriously I never understood why this game gets as much attention as it does.

Atleast Gears was good, this game is just pathetic. Id like to meet the people who bought the 120.00 halo 3 tard edition now with helmet.. lol .... :)

[jax07]

It all comes down to the fact that Halo was huge on the XBox because it was the first huge game for that system. If you don't have an XBox you don't care about Halo. If you have played any decent first person shooter you can see that Halo is not the best damn game there is ( for the XBox). It's like star wars, those who have been with it from the start just feel compelled to experience the game. Seriously, people get Halo and literally won't play anything else no matter how great it is until they get tired of Halo. You talk to anyone who has played games like Half Life, or Counter Strike they will tell you there is nothing specail about Halo ( just read the above comments)). I too find myself wondering what the big deal is about this game, but then again people wonder why I love the Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver series.

[Nth RooCH]

I can't agree with you here Jax. I've been a console and pc player my entire gaming tenure, and have played fair nigh on every FPS game going. I've seen games overhyped, and I've seen games given their just desserts, and Halo is the latter. Consider the alternatives at the time of Halo one's release. Nothing matched it for it's graphics, and the gameplay was absolutely solid. Then the second was released, and again it came out with phenomenal graphics, and this time one of the most solid multiplayer system's going. I can recognise overhype, but Halo 2 lived up to all of it's claims.

And this is from someone who believes that half life 2 is a superior title, and who agrees with the majority who have noted that Halo 3 is simply a polished Halo 2. I'm no blind fanboy, but I've never seen a claim made about a Halo game that it hasn't fulfilled. The main problem Halo has is people talking about it without playing it. At the time of it's releases, it defined the FPS genre, and nothing came close until after. Can't take that away from it.

[bestgamer94]

i never liked halo this a very bad comment to say of a game

[Xbox is the BEST]

don't we worry bout our own games???

[mikeslemonade]

I agree, the game Halo is overhyped.

[deadeyes99]

halo>360>ps3

[Aramis001]

To anyone who says Halo isn't innovative, watch this video and try to explain to me how that isn't cool as hell.

http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

Any other fps that can do that?

[Wii60_FTW]

no game will ever be as glorious as halo 3. that video just kicked every sony dog in the nutz. OUCH.

[d3l33t]

Sony dog? what are you 12?

[spike]

PS3 fans wait for Halo 3 to get reviewd. Expect high scores. Then shut the fuk up because PS3 aint got no games. You guys keep saying next year you guys will get games. Medal Gear Solid 4 is going to be a great game. Killzone 2 is going to suck. All the other games are allright, but not to the caliber of Bioshock, Gears Of War, Halo 3.

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

"PS3 ain't got no games"? were you in a cave or under a rock somewhere because I believe the PS3 has a lot of qualities games right now. One more thing is that you said PS3 games are not to the caliber of Bioshock, Gow and Halo 3. I don't know if you know this but you can't play these games within 10 months the 360 release. In order words, the release date for GoW was in Nov. 06, Bioshock's was in August 07 and Halo will be release in Sep of 07. The PS3 is not even a year old yet and pretty much all of their games are new IPs so if you want to compare games from the 2 console please make the right comparison. Compare the games that they had for the first 4 months, 10 months, a year. Don't compare games for the PS3 when it is not even a year old yet. It is like comparing the San Antonio Spurs and the Atlanta Hawks and I'm assuming you know what I mean with this comparsion.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

in all, hopefully princetab is going to be the winner this month!!! yaaay

[edit] what can be hotter? Itagaki sexual harassment? Miyamoto drunk driving? EGM closes its doors? Halo 3 mediocre reviews? hmmm

[snittolo]

Say f*ck Halo and you can get this much attention? Damn, that gives me an idea.....

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

ummmm.... no. You also need to be a big time producer also and say f**k Halo.

[BLACKJACK VII]

All You Need To Know...

[Says you]

XBox 360 fans are attracted to the colors like flys that are attracted to animal sh1t! and plus the third installment is technically Halo 2 only should be really called Halo 3.2 the whole series is a joke if there was two games one for XBox 360 and one for Wii and the two games are Halo 3 and Metroide Prime 3 I would choose Metroide Prime 3 atleast the series doesnt take place in the same place or the same planet or have the same stuff they have in the game it would be different!.

[mphillip49]

I am not a big fan of the Halo series. I am more of a PS3 fan, but I will give credit to Microsoft for Halo. Just because I don't like it or someone else doesn't like it doesn't mean that it sucks. Evidently, there are a lot of people who do like the Halo series or it wouldn't sell so much.

[VirusE]

Well said, it is nice to see people thinging objectively. I am not the biggest gta fan but it is popular for a reason; lots of other people love the game and i can respect that.

Bubbles for you

[miguel54]

halo is not such a big deal i mean theres other fps that deserve the applause like the timsplitters series

[XENOCIDE]

N' I haven't read not 1, and I don't intend to in the future either. I read the IM's between the two in the article. The 227 comments this blog between two industry men has generated makes me scratch my head. He said fk Halo..... I'm an avid Halo fan n' wont get into that, it'd be far too time consuming. But I don't get it, we (fans of the series) get it from all 360 degree's day in n' day out. What's so different about this situation? Because the person who made the statement works or has worked in the gaming industry?

Anyway, to wrap things up, go ahead, fk Halo all you like. Fk yourself for all I care, just make sure your doing it on Sept. 25th while the rest of us are pushing M$ and it's LIVE service to the limit with none other than....Halo 3.

If there's 100 people living on Earth, and 3 people (including yourself), residing on Mars....there's something wrong. Not with the 100 on Earth, but the 3 on Mars.

[JokesOnYou]

yep, I have said before on many Halo3 threads filled with a bunch of sonykids talking shiii about Halo that most of them ARE ONLY TALKING, its part of their mandatory spg memebership pledge that they are required to bash Halo daily, but you can bet your ass almost every sonykid in this thread either has a preorder in or they will be at a friends house playing Halo3 on Sept 25th. I see it all the time sony diehards filled with brand loyalty yet they actually play more 360 games, wtf? this is an example of what I mean, this is a comment from one of Jaffe's readers on the same news:

Chris.M said...

"I don't really care for the Halo story. I like Halo 2's story more then Halo:CE, but the both weren't anything special."

"I’ve tried to get my friends to be interested in other games online (BF2, Socom, and even Calling All Cars) but it always gets back to Halo. While I'll be picking up Halo 3 it's not at the top of my most wanted list, not even in the top 3."

ha ha he also made other comments about how Halo doesnt require skill and how he's logged 8000+ gamerscore on xbl, but the point is why talk about how something isnt "anything special" but yet you spend your money on it, I'm not saying as a gamer you shouldn't buy or like game that you dont think are great but it just seems so fake to downplay a game or a console on a website while playing it continuously with your friends. I even heard some sonykids on n4g say in one thread how much Halo3 sucks but then admit in another thread that they want to play the game, is it just to see was the hype right? yeah they will likely say they just want to see if its worth any of the hype but I'm willing to bet most of these sonykids wanted to play Halo3 because they've seen all the great things Bungie has added to this game and they know its going to be fun as hell, sonykids who are you fooling?=

JOY

[GRAMPAGAMER]

closet players lol.

[macalatus]

People should realize that just because someone (or them) doesn't like a game, it doesn't mean it "completely sucks". I personally don't like Halo, but that in no way means it sucks. It's a great game and it truly deserves its praises, but I just don't like it because it just isn't my cup of tea.

[honkyjesus]

So you don't like Halo but it is a great game? Please explain.

[Jdash24]

for taking all those hours of my life away........lol

[The BS Police]

Because Bungie never outright bashes other games made by other game developers.

Frankie said it himself, we just wanna be friends.

[Devilbringer]

Because what made halo so cool was the multiplaying on xbox live.

but playing online now? we are living in the future thats not a big deal now. but i bet halo got a big fan base so its probaly gonna sell alot.

but you will not get the same feeling as you did when the 2 others came out Belive me.

i dont say dont buy, just saying you will not get the same rush as before ;)

Hallluja its bubble shooting time........

[Frances-the-Mute]

never liked it, but i still play it cuz its still a game

[mentalboy11]

more people hate jaffe because they are illiterate. they didn't even read the article.

[slimace]

that's the reality

[thereapersson]

Maybe some of you should actually read the damn article instead of outright bashing.

Pathetic and sad...

[GoLeafsGo]

Mayne N4G needs a text-to-sound app.
Clearly, nobody likes to read -_____-'!

[Relientk77]

wow alot of comments lol

[billmo]

Sorry to all you Halo Fans, but the greatest FPS title ever... by Far... Half Life + Half Life 2!! Nothing beats its story, gameplay, puzzels, replayability(is that a word?), and pacing. On top of it is the multiplayer games it has brought us, which are also the best of the best. CounterStrike and TeamFortress. Twelve years after the original being released, and you can still find lots of people playing these online.

All IMO....

[honkyjesus]

This is an Achievement game for me, just like I just played Madden 08 for the Achievements.

The Halo story is at times idiotic, and at times it seems like some ten year olds thought up a grand scheme.

Any game where the ending is "I am here to finish the fight" you can pretty much guess the quality of the storyline.

The gameplay - average.

The graphics from what I have seen - above average, possibly depending upon if you take into effect the budget of this game... if you take the budget into account then below average.

I have never seen a company put so much cash and marketing into a single game, they basically don't give you a choice but to hear about it so much you may actually think HEY this looks like a fun, unique game.

I dig games with a better story, less of a sheepish following, and some original aspects to the gameplay. Halo has never had any of this, and I have the Chewbacca Defense to back me up.

Holy sheep I can't wait till some decent new IP's like Mass Effect come around again.

As far as Jaffe, he has made a couple great games, Bungie should be getting advice from him. Baaaaaaaaah humbug.

BioShock = Game of the Year

[IRONMAN_X57]

COUNTER STRIKE
HALF LIFE
QUAKE
DOOM
UT

pwn halo, no contest
so does TIMESPLITTERS, woohoo, TIMESPLITTERS 4!!!!!!!!!!!!