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Dance Central not possible on Move/Wii

With its ability to track the movement of 20 limbs, Kinect is well-suited to Dance Central and its hundreds of dance moves.

ConanOBrien4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

Problem is, kinect doesn't need buttons

Kinect = button-less motion controller

Wiimote & Move = button-based motion controller

Wiimote/Move/PSEye doesn't have 3 sensor cams like Kinect

tinybigman4942d ago

I wouldn't want it on my wii/ps3. I don't even plan on buying this piece of crap for my 360.

Shovelware=not touching or entering any of my systems.

darthv724942d ago

how does that "just dance" game work? I see the commercials all the time. I know there is no cam for the wii (yet) so it has to be all controller detecting something.

To do it on the pseye would be a mocap suit maybe?

tinybigman4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

go ahead i don't mind, but i've never bought shovelware for any systems before i'm sure as hell i'm not going to start now.

plus why the hell would i spend $210 just to learn how to dance when i can do that for free. sh*t my cousin learned Beyonce Single Ladies dance just by watching the video, and she can do the dance without even looking at it.

i just have to laugh at the worshipers because you people seem to think i have to support this shovelware crap.

Parapraxis4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

I really don't buy this for a second.

This is the same line publishers have used when talking about "exclusives" that later went multiplat.

I think the "not possible" bit should really be "not possible..right now because we have a deal with MS for timed exclusivity"

"It needs to track your entire body...are you telling me your sony move remotes or wii remotes can do the same???"
Not the Wii, but since the PS2 Sony's Eye Toy could track feet/arms. is there something else being tracked in Dance Central I don't know about?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Dance Central could easily be made for PS Move.

ajlopo4942d ago

how do you not buy it? It needs to track your entire body...are you telling me your sony move remotes or wii remotes can do the same??? The game looks fantastic and has been getting a great response. Harmonix makes great games.

ARBitrator4942d ago

Parapraxis has spoken! To hell with what the devs have said. If Parapraxis says it can be done then that are lying as simple as that. Because Parapraxis is clearly the most intelligent individual on the planet and what he says is always right.

Christopher4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

Wait... so Kung Fu Live can track body parts... but Dance Central can't on the PS3Eye? I guess this means the PS3Eye can only track combat moves, not dance moves. Damn.

@gamingdroid: Dance Central doesn't need to track in 3d either... It just tracks arm, leg, and head placement on the x and y plane, not the depth of their placement. Now, if they made a dance game that relied on depth tracking, then we can talk about the differences between PS3Eye and Kinect for dance games.

gamingdroid4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

It tracks in 2D, there is no depth sensing!

Unless you think a square is a cube, then it might be the same for you.

Bigpappy4942d ago

It shows a webcam video off you about 4 points in 2d. You will never see Dancentral for the Move and definately not for the Wii. If you look at all the Dance and fitness games. Kinect version is always different. Hamonics worked on the Eyetoy before and made its best game to date. They could have said that the will only be a Kinect version at this time. They said if there was no Kinect, they could not make the game.

You for some reason think the PSeye and Kinect are the same. There are not.

TheBlackSmoke4942d ago

lol, you guys are arguing over which motion control does casual crap the best lmfao.

Christopher4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

1. No one said Kinect = PS3Eye. We all know Kinect is a lower res, lower fps RGB camera with an infrared camera that enables the capturing of depth as well as bodies by temperature due to the second camera. We also know that it utilizes one on-hardware chip that contains code for detecting and transmitting skeletal data to the 360 for use by licensed software.

2. Both are capable of tracking body part locations in a 2D world. It just requires software to do as such. This is of course what the developers of Kung Fu Live did, they created the software for tracking one's body with the camera so it will recognize when you perform certain actions to punch, call lightning, kick, jump, and whatever other moves it's programmed to capture. It's the exact same thing Dance Central does, track the movements of your body and respond to said movements.

3. The complexity of tracking being done specifically with Dance Central is not utilizing the full tracking capabilities of Kinect (meaning, true 3d tracking). It's only utilizing the standard skeletal tracking algorithms, which can be made and used with the PS3Eye as well (and there have been demos of the skeleton being tracked with the PS3Eye, check YouTube).

For all intents and purposes, the _ONLY_ reason Dance Central isn't possible with the PS3Eye is because the skeletal tracking software is provided out of the box with Kinect whereas you would have to develop your own with the PS3Eye.

This is kind of like the idiotic comments that we hear out of Sony PR people saying X game is only possible due to Blu-ray. It's just not true, you downgrade the sound quality to 5.1 DD and you can fit the game in its entirety on a DVD, making it possible on more than just the PS3.

Bigpappy4942d ago

Sent your note over to Harmonics. Apparently you have it all worked out and those Dumb SOB's can't. You show them Bigboy!

Christopher4942d ago (Edited 4942d ago )

Deride me all you want BigPappy, but the fact is that there's a developer out there who's taken the time to create the software that does the same thing for the PS3Eye. But, that's not what this is about. It's about a platform with Microsoft marketing backing and where the hardest task is already done for them, which is calculating and tracking skeletal points through the camera. And for Ubisoft, it's about trying to be #2 on yet another casual platform with the same type of games they've already made for the Wii. Ubisoft is the second biggest money maker on the Wii, they want the same thing on Kinect considering the target market - pure casual gamers - are their cornerstone this generation.

But, if you want some reality on top of your derision, how about this: Can you also send the code that ND, Sucker Punch, and Guerilla uses for their games to 3rd-party developers so they can learn to code for the PS3 as well?

Here's the funny thing, nothing I posted above is incorrect. Absolutely nothing. It's just the facts. But, hey, it must be true when Microsoft says it and not true when Sony says it? It's BS and it's meant to sell the new technology, that's it. It's like idiots who think games really are only possible because of Blu-ray or the Cell.

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Neko_Mega4942d ago

Need to do better at trolling.

SingStar+Dance.
Look it up.

It only does everything.

Neko_Mega4942d ago

Someone disagree, guess they don't know their games.

Just Dance seems the same thing as this game, so I don't know how people come up with this trash that it wouldn't work on Move or Wii.

Plus they fail, mostly because the PS Eye does track the body, as for it being the fully body.

Who knows, but I know after seeing how SingStar+Dance work, it can be done on Move.

Thatguy-3104942d ago

didnt harmonix said that dance central was possible on the ps3 a while back ??
http://kotaku.com/5569957/h...

JUDALATION4942d ago

This game was made for kinect... BUT ITS ALSO COMING OUT FOR MOVE AND WII.... but MAG CANT BE PLAYED WITH KINECT!!! and id rather play mag or Kung fu live... thats just reality and most gamers would agree with these facts!

jneul4941d ago

no the real problem is because kinect has no buttons it will be limited to sports, dancing, fitness and on rails games, just like eyetoy was

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Omega44942d ago

This is good news for MS cause now they won't need to pay for exclusives since every game built from the ground up for Kinect can't be done on any other console.

SuperStrokey11234942d ago

Yeah, its not like they had to buy the company that made the technology or to continue to develop and market kinect at all. This expense to get exclusives obviously doesnt exist...

siyrobbo4942d ago

just a shame most will probably not be worth playing

CimmerianDrake4942d ago

I expect to see a lot of you who are praising Kinect to upload videos of you playing it, since it's the second coming to you and everything.

cliffbo4942d ago

you know i just came in here to agree with the headline and then read your post Omega4. i wouldn't be so happy about this. should we compile a list of games the the Wii and the MOVE can do that Kinect can't?

dance games are great but they'll get boring when Kinect hits its 25th

user83971444942d ago

Well it is probably possible on the PS2 since kinect is like the eyetoy.

Pedobear Rocks4942d ago

to do is package in some velcro 'dots' to put at your waist and knees...1$ extra and you've got body tracking.

TheBlackSmoke4942d ago

woooooooooo! EXCLUSIVE shovelware!!

MsmackyM4942d ago

Ubisoft just announced Mime Central exclusive for the Kinect, why travel to France when you can be trapped in an imaginary box in the comfort of your own home. Pre-order today and receive the limited edition face paint and stripped shirt:s

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Stryfeno24942d ago

I will get this for me and my family.

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goosepoose4941d ago

my family and i. i wish you all the luck. dont give up on dancing :)

Simco8764942d ago

Good, if I wanted to Dance I would go to the club.

alb18994942d ago

then i guess if you want to play baseball y go to the field and if you want so shot some heads you go to war....really?

kasasensei4942d ago

"Dance Central not possible on Move/Wii"
Sure.

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Knightofelemia842d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog842d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry916842d ago (Edited 842d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing69842d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming842d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer79842d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember842d ago

@Gamer79

How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog842d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop842d ago (Edited 842d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog842d ago (Edited 842d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop842d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic841d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop841d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic840d ago (Edited 840d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal842d ago (Edited 842d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic841d ago (Edited 841d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf10842d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar842d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf10842d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell842d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf10842d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv72842d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming842d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog842d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming842d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming842d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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