Warhawk: Price Does Matter

Sam Kennedy of 1up writes:

"As you might have already seen, Patrick posted an interesting story earlier today about Warhawk's price -- specially, that the game releases in a few weeks and doesn't yet have one (for the PSN download, at least). This story was rather important to me for two reasons: 1. because what Sony is doing with Warhawk by simultaneously releasing it on Blu-ray and PSN is rather unprecedented and I find this quite exciting, and 2. because I'm also reviewing the game for EGM, and price, especially for a PSN game, is absolutely a factor to consider.

Why? Because reviews are very much an indication of how much value something represents to a consumer. We take everything, from the experience to the replayability, into account when reviewing a game, but at the end of the day, we're saying whether something is worth your money. It's why Shadowrun, which released at $60, was largely panned. It's why I recently scored the PS2 game The Red Star a 7.5 because, at $20, I felt it was a good value. It's why every review of the iPhone answered the real question on everyone's minds: is it worth $600 (it absolutely is, btw)..."

[the_round_peg]

I know this does not belong in Xbox 360. It's my mistake, not deep's. I told him to add Shadowrun but forgot to show him how.

By the time I showed him the instruction, it's too late, and the article has already been approved.

Instruction: "How to add Shadowrun: first, you need to check Xbox 360 as type. Then, go to Related Games and add "Shadowrun" for both 360 and PC. Then, save. Then, remove Xbox 360 as a type."

[sonarus]

warhawk is pretty much the only ps3 game i havnt heard anyone hate on. I hope this game dosent get delayed too like lair even though i have a feeling it will. If they do delay it they better add rumble in there. This is one game that rumble could definetly enhance the gameplay

[Violater]

no hate you say, you obviously weren't around before WH had its graphical upgrade.
People crapped on it all the time for looking like a reddish brownish mess of a game, that was a MP online only cop out.
Then the beta dropped, the graphics were upgraded, people were having tons of fun (expect the poor folks like myself that didn't get in).
And now here we are people anticipate it more than Lair and possibly HS.

[Vojkan]

1up

[the_round_peg]

Shadowrun was panned by critics as a ripoff at $60 (which it is.) Shadowrun is half-a-game with outdated last-gen graphics, but it charged the full price of $60. Even as a multiplayer-only game, Shadowrun's multiplayer features and options are scant and lacking.

[Zhuk]

Shadowrun had potential at a lower price point I believe in the US market, but I agree that it was priced too high and that really hurt people's perception of it, MS handled the pricing of the game poorly. It would of been cool if it was $30 to $40 and if they allowed you to download the game from the marketplace for cheaper. It's a fun game, it just hasnt got enough meat to warrant a full priced game

[ktchong]

It does not look like a next-gen game.

I like Xbox 360 and its large library, but Microsoft as a game studio needs to stop putting out sucky games like Shadowrun and Vampire Rain.

As game studios, Sony still surpasses Microsoft in terms of game quality, innovation, creativity, uniqueness, variety and design.

[Snake_Doctor]

So Shadowrun got an 8 from 1UP at $60... Should Warhawk start at a rating of 16 for 30 bucks? or is this just a new thing that one reviewer is taking upon himself?

[aaquib2]

I played and loved the BETA, but like I voted in the poll, Im not paying more than $30. If Sony allows people to share the games like all the other PSN titles, I'll go to pspiso.com's PS3 chat and trade someone there for free. Im not paying more than $30 online when the full game is $60 with a bluetooth headset and an actual physical copy of the disk with re-sale value. I have a feeling Sony will price it at $40 because of the hype around it, but $40 for a multiplayer online game won't sell as well as it will for $30. That $10 is a HUUGE difference for me and all my friends I know that are considering this game. It's Sony's decision of what they will price it at, but it's our decision if we will buy it at that price.

[shysun]

These companies work hard and you're going to steal they're game....that's messed up.I hope they catch you guys and lock your PS3 from PSN!:(

[ktchong]

The graphic is horrible. It's so last-gen.

It does not have a single-player mode, which is okay... IF the multiplayer mode has a lot of meat.

BUT the multiplayer mode is pathetic. It has two or three game mode, fewer than ten maps, pathetically few features.

Worst of all, it's asking for $60 when it first came out.... that's atop of the live subscription fee you'd have to pay to play it online. Because if you don't have the full subscription, you ain't playing it.

That's really a robbery.

Hopefully, Warhawk has learned from Shadowrun's mistakes.

[Maddens Raiders]

bring it on. I'm suited and booted ~ let's WarHawk.

[Violater]

Their flip flopping and heavy Anti PS3 sentiments don't deem them credible in my eyes.
Too many people over there wishing to be on Bungie payroll.

And you Maddens we need to fortify the N4G clan on the PSN.

PSN: Violater

[Snake_Doctor]

sign me up
PSN:TDub1087

[Siesser]

I think it'd be cool to have a locked game just for N4G members.

And as for a clan, I'm all up for it too, if you need a 32nd ;-)

PSN: Siesser.

[nomad117]

i would love a n4g clan
PSN: nomad117

[sandip787]

PSN: sandip778
add me :).
oh and a N4G clan would OWN

[UJUSTLOSTONE]

yoU know i WANNA BE down

psn id: ujustlostone

[Maddens Raiders]

part of the family. Except for you Violater (you're already in brother.) =]

N4G clan has a very nice appeal, yeah?

cheers

[Adamalicious]

PSN: Adamalicious

[Hymons]

PSN ID: Hymons

See ya around..

[Premonition]

I predict a 30-40 price tag for the PSN version.

[Pathetic N4G Website]

What the fark is this POS3 sh1t doing in my 360 RSS Feed ?

This site has gone to the dogs.............

[sandip787]

stfu noob.
why did you even comment then? idiot.
POs3? yeh ive never heard that one before.
you only wish you had this game.

[xmod]

1up and EGM (they're basically the same company) have been really pompous towards Sony lately. First, they give Lair a very low score, lower than any other publication (presumely b/c the reviewers couldn't adjust to the new controls).

Now 1up has the balls to dictate what price a video game should be.

1up sucks and EGM sucks.

[trane07]

Did you read when they said that if warhawk wasn't priced at 30 dollars that they were going to automatically drop its score?! Thats bull. You deduct points for things that are game related. Since when is the damn price of a game have to doing anything with the actually content within the game itself?

F*ck 1up and F*ck egm. I hold gamespot at a higher standard than I hold them now.

[Mu5afir]

Since when did Price become a factor in deciding if a game is good or not? Shadowrun got a 8.0 from 1up, and it was $60 dollars. How can you put a handicap on a game, because it only has multiplayer? This is an idiotic way to rate a game.

I have lost all respect for the 1up / EGM review system.

[jaaz]

he said the iPhone was worth $600.

[Mu5afir]

LOL, yeah this guy said the iPhone was worth $600 dollars. Maybe he doesn't know, or hasn't heard about the millions of other phones that can do the exact same things as the iPhone but for hundreds of dollars less.

But, OH noes, we need touch screen!

[Adamalicious]

In a free market economy worth is determined by what someone is willing to pay for something. iPhones are selling out at that price point so it's not unfair to say that it's "worth $600" though certainly many people, myself among them, aren't willing to pay that much for it.

[mccomber]

I agree that price is important, but somehow there's a part of me that asks, does anyone enjoy a game MORE if it's cheaper? I know I regret purchases less if they didn't have a big impact on my wallet, but I can't really say the core product is any better, or even worse, because of it's price. It is what it is regardless of that.
It could be a matter of "well, I'd recommend this game at $30, but not $60" but should that really affect the final score a game receives?

[Contra26]

Not impressed at all.
it had cheap thrills.
then i just said screw it. i'm playing battlefield.

[Meus Renaissance]

1UP's logic is a game that is only Multi-player, that costs more than $30 lose review points. Ok.

So Shadowrun getting 8/10, I assume and Warhawk to get probably less than this, even though ShadowRun costs $60 - makes sense?

No. I thought not.

[Crazyglues]

for one, Warhawk the beta, taught me a lot about the game, first things first flying was the best part of the beta...

The ground well that was another story, it sucked, to me anyway. Being on the ground just felt awful for a Nex Gen game. it was weird, you would run funny and move around a little jumpy. (Maybe that because it was beta) but I don't think so, it just didn't feel natural. shooting didn't really amaze me, explosions where more like if you have seen one before then you have seen them all.

They were weak for a nex gen title. Ok yeah you can have a lot of people on at once, cool. But for some reason unless your flying not as much fun as I thought it would be.

Vechiles on the ground feel stiff, and not fast or fun to drive. But ok this is warhawk and it's about flying.

So once you take off for the first time it's like all of a sudden the game comes on, Now I see why people can't stop playing the dam thing. Flying once you learn how to do it right is amazing, feels so good it could be a sin. Once you fly you never want to go back to doing anything else. (At least that's how it was for me)

I became addicted to flying, I would pass the controls to someone for them to play and then get mad if they didn't try to fly right away... LoL (As if they where somehow wasting my Air time) Once I was up, it was on I had to kill everyone, even started shooting my teammates by mistake.

I mean it gets in you, you get hit with a missle from behind and now you want revenge, and revenge makes you fly hard and fast, and close to the buliding while pulling up straight into the sky, all while staying 2inchs from the building, why?

Because you think your that good now, you just can't help it, the flying makes you start to fly the best you can, because you won't last long if you don't. These guys on the beta anyway are good and they do a lot of trash talking when they take you down. That just makes the revenge all the more sweet... LoL

(you know the saying - Revenge is a Dish best served cold.) Well here's a missle and a side order of small rockets and bullet fire. - would you like that to go, or will you just stand still and eat it all right here... LoL

Ok, ok I'm getting ahead of myself sorry for that whole book and a half review... but if the download is 30 or less.. sold, higher then that and they can keep it. (and yes I already have bluetooth headset - All though I have yet to see a review of what is the best blue tooth head set for PS3)

[mccomber]

I personally enjoyed the ground aspects quite a bit; one of my favorite games from the beta was a capture the flag match where I spent the majority of it guarding my base. Over the course of that match I was able to take down a couple of Jeeps, 2 Warhawk and 2 guys in one tank, plus many other people on foot. It was pretty exhilarating to run and duck behind cover while taking on a vehicle, and defeating it. I know the people on the other end of those battles had to be cursing the fact that a single person playing infantry just defeated them.
That's what makes this game so good; the fact that you have that choice, and that just because you are on foot doesn't mean you are going to be cannon fodder. I know I'll be buying this title for sure, and will enjoy the hell out of it.

[shysun]

Sounds fair but that SR score is a little high....did they just start this logic or is it a PS3 thing?:(

[Adamalicious]

I think it's gonna be $30 - you can get that headset for about $30 so add in $30 for the game and $0 for the "bonus content" and the disk is maybe a slightly better value. Really it would come down to if you want the headset or not or if you just really want the disc. I hope a lot of people go for the headset so more folks will have them for all PSN games.

$20 would be cool, but then the disc version is a bit of a rip-off.

[bootsielon]

So NOW it's like that? How convenient.

NEVER had reviews been like that; in no magazine had they ever judged a game based on its price. They were simply about overall quality of a product. I don't think Roger Ebert goes to the cinema thinking "I wonder if this movie will be worth just a rental, or buying the complete Special Edition package".

If what he said is what he is gonna do from now on, then why not score games based on "money value" instead of just giving a score based on quality, regardless of price?

I don't think Zelda or any other game would have gotten different scores had it been $20 or $100.