Morgan Webb: Mario Galaxy is for kids, Rachet and Clank not insulting to play as an adult

G4TV's Morgan Webb has stated that Mario Galaxy feels like it's is aimed at kids and implied that unlike Rachet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time, it's insulting to play Galaxy as an adult.

[Valay]

I disagree with what was said 100%. I can see myself playing Galaxy when I'm 90 years old, without feeling like I'm being insulted. And that applies to the Rachet and Clank series as well.

[mikeslemonade]

I agree with Morgan Webb cause she's hot. How can you disagree with her? I don't really care bout either game. I'm going to play them and not really give a damn.

[Valay]

Woah, woah, woah. Just because someone is attractive doesn't mean you have to agree with anything someone says. And I don't agree that Galaxy is an insult at all.

[HDgamer]

Morgan isn't hot and I disagree with her. I like super mario and ratchet and clank.

[Marceles]

I think mike was being sarcastic. *kinda*

[EvilTwin]

Feeling "insulted" while playing Galaxy?

What, playing some of the best platformer level designs yet created is..."insulting"?

A lombax and a robot with outlandish weapons out to save the universe versus a plumber in space...she's actually trying to call one of these "mature"?

They're videogames. Incredibly good ones that have fun with the genre and medium they're on.

She can go read Tolstoy for her fix of "adult" entertainment. Or she can realize she makes a living playing games.

[mikeslemonade]

I think Morgan is more sexy than Olivia Munn. They both got bodys but Morgan's face is way more appealing than Munn's.

[HDgamer]

Well Mike she does have strong male features in her face, maybe thats what you like.

[Smacktard]

Morgan's comment is everything that's wrong with today's gamers. People used to play video games for fun, and now it seems people play them for "HURR GUNZ I'M MATURE" No surprise, either, she's a GURL GAMURR

Not that you could tell when looking at her gigantic manjaw.

[starvinbull]

Both are excellent, who cares?

[FiftyFourPointTwo]

I agree with your posts Valay. SMG and R&C are both fun to play.

@Morgan Webb = Disgaree(1) from me.

[RememberThe357]

She is saying the Ratchet games are aimed at a more mature audience then Mario. That is fact. Weather you feel like a kid when your playing Mario or not is an individual thing.

She seemed to be saying that for the more mature person Ratchet is a better fit. That does not mean that the game is not silly or fun, it just means that the context and dialog are more mature, which is true.

There really is no grounds here to get as butt hurt as you guys are getting. She said what she said bluntly, since when did gamers care about being politically correct?

[Tony P]

I think it's definitely more aimed at kids, but it's not y'know, insulting to an adult mind. Not anymore than any other simplistic title out there anyway.

On a completely unrelated note, how does anyone claim to be a mature fan while insulting another person superficially, N4G users? I guess this is why mainstream thinks gaming is only for kids. You guys surely fit the bill with comments like those.

[darthv72]

i can say i enjoy mario as well as r&c games. I grew up on mario/sonic and my kids are doing the same. I dont feel insulted to play a mario game no matter how new (galaxy) or old (super mario bros). There is fun to be had by all ages.

[NoBias]

When even a SOLID Mario game get's hated on.

I miss the good old days... Fanboy haters make me sick. You're turning your backs on the plumber we grew up with?!

[StanLatMarveldotCom]

Morgan has some nice tits even if they are a bit lopsided but in this case she doesn't know tit. Mario Galaxy is not for kids. It's a game for everyone and I'm not embarrassed having played the sh*t out of it and still consider it one of the best games this gen.

[EvilTwin]

RememberThe357 -- She implied being "insulted" by playing Mario Galaxy from an adult's perspective. That's an argument on intellectual maturity.

R&C is as "adult" as a movie like Star Wars. And Mario has never been about the story. It's about the gameplay and always has been. As an "adult gamer," I can say Galaxy had some of the best level design and gameplay this gen.

She probably didn't mean for what she said to come out the way it did. But it's kinda pointless to be arguing that the intergalactic lomax is more mature than the space plumber.

[heroicjanitor]

"plumber we grew up with" kind of says it all doesn't it? Not that I agree with her. I can see where she's coming from though, mario has a very simplistic plot where you have to save the princess again, but whether you feel embarrassed to play it is individual, as RememberThe357 said.

[sikbeta]

I don't know about mario, but Ratchet is a HERO XD

[n4f]

people talk sh!t and they dont even know what they are talking about.
video game now is too mainstream.

[asdr3wsfas]

"I agree with Morgan Webb cause she's hot."

Morgan Webb has a man jaw, man shoulders, and man height.

She has a degree in rhetoric. The idea of her being sexy for liking guy things fails when you look at this video while considering it. How to build an ultimate gaming pc:

http://forums.techgage.com/...

This thread tore it apart and I want to assist them. As you read realize that you can build a better *gaming* PC for under 1k but not wasting money on stupid parts.

As the original poster noted DDR3 ram doesn't even work in that motherboard. The ram doesn't have to superfast for gaming and expensive ram is ONLY worth it for overclocking or tweaking ram timings, which they don't even mention (1t or 2t or cas timings are the only ones you need to worry about). Otherwise the max RAM speed is determined by the busspeed of the motherboard - the only reason people get RAM that fast is to handle the speed increase when they up the front side bus speed, which the ram speed is a multiple of. This ram costs 700 dollars and at most would add a couple FPS in gaming. Then they picked midrange graphics cards they could have used that money on that would have let them run insane resolutions with no slowdown. It is possibly the stupidest building advice I've ever seen and shows a total ignorance of price/performance and what matters in a gaming pc.

You can skimp on the cpu in a gaming pc with a good graphics card, talking about the cpu being "fast enough" to handle crysis is a joke seeing as you can skimp low on that part and compensate with the gpu. In fact you don't want the fastest cpu if that takes money from the gfx card, and in this case they chose two medium range GFX cards instead of a high end on and wasted money on the good processor that matters little in comparison.

She spends more time maxing sexual innuendo about "sticking parts in" the excellent case than discussing the cooling. It is a good case but stock fans suck and if you want good fans you buy Silverstone or Vantec. Former has high CFM air output and the latter is very quite. In fact you can skimp on a case like this if you're not overclocking and just get an ok one. On top of that the case sucks for that purpose and the P180 demolishes it in every way. All to the detriment of the gfx card.

The motherboard is again wasted money if you aren't overclocking it. High end motherboards are MADE to be overclocked - they contain BIOS options that allow you to do it and aren't always present on other board and are much more stable at higher speeds. This motherboard is made to be overclocked and sold for this purpose. You can buy rock solid motherboards with enough expansion ports and features for cheap if you don't overclock and the speed difference in models is typically 1-2fps. More money taken away from the gfx card, which makes huge differences in power.

That power supply is absurdly overpowered with those GFX cards. Total waste of money given that the gfx cards in SLI leech a large chunk of energy. That power supply is for two high end gfx cards running in SLI and several hard drives more and overclocking, during which you increase voltage for stability at higher speeds. The good PSUs are made for supplying this voltage with maxed out specs.

3rd part heatsinks are completely unnecessary without overclocking unless you want silence. If you want improvements wipe the thermal glue off the stock heatsink with alcohol and replace with arctic silver of your preference - costs 5 dollars for a lifetime tube. A waste of money that does nothing compared to gfx cards.

Lastly, someone on that forum posted on g4 asking why they recommended RAM that doesn't run on that board. They deleted the topic.

[ape007]

smg is without a doubt one of greatest games in this gen no damn doubt but some places just feels so kiddish imo,like when rosalina tells those little things a story,the way it tells the story,the music in that room is obviously for 5 year-old or at the toy galaxy but it's an amazing game and a true gem nonetheless

I think WII just made nintendo kiddier,mario kart wii feels more kiddy than its past games every character just yelling "WIIIIII",baby mario,baby luigi,"wiiiiii",even wiluigi became gay,on a single race you are gonna hear"wiiiiiiii" 100+ times

what is that,the core gameplay is amazing,don't spoil it nintendo

[Sevir04]

it's really a silent gameplay, and very very kid friendly, the universe as awhole and the naritive mario follows, Is always, a plumber goes after a kidnapped princess from her magical kingdom., thats very fairyale and aimed at children.

ratchet on the other hand, is a total departure, yes it may sport a cartoony artsyle, but thats like saying a gory Anime with hentai is for kids just because it's not like action... Ratchets narritive is filled with dark undertones, and it's dialog is far more mature. i have never seen profanity in any Mario Game ever released. while in rachet every iteration has some sort of profane word that makes it totally geared for a more mature audience than say the 5-10 year olds that moms and dads are buying nintendo and mario for.

So she's right in that Ratchet is a far more mature game in it's narritive tone and dialog than mario is, the Great thing about this is though is that It's fun for both those games. but I'm sure some 40 year old guy who rarily plays video games, if he were to pick up Ratchet and start shooting the sh!t out of things and then be asked to play mario galaxy and listen to it's fairytale story i'm sure he'd stick with ratchet for the fact that Guns are more precieved as adult. and he may feel a bit insulting. so she's right. most of you, grew up with mario so you have a soft spot. as gamers, but you also have matured which is why you also find enjoyment in the ratchet franchise as well. so Morgan is right. you gotta think about what she said before you all jump all over her. there is some merit behind what she's saying. eveing if it doesn't nessessarily applies to you.

[raztad]

No offense to the kids, but I would NEVER play any Mario, it's like playing Pokemon. You just CANT do that in front of any other adult. Olivia is a hot girl she knows how hot girls think, you have a very low probability of score with someone bragging about playing Mario.

[Smacktard]

@ ape:

What? Rosalina's story is arguably one of the more mature themes in Mario Galaxy. Kids wouldn't just "get that"

@ raztad:

It's pretty obvious you don't have much interaction with girls. Most girls don't care about any video games besides:

Guitar Hero
Rock Band
Mario (pretty much anything Mario)
(SOMETIMES) Sonic

I have a Wii at university, and I always had girls coming over to play Mario. The original. On Virtual Console.

[asdr3wsfas]

"You just CANT do that in front of any other adult. Olivia is a hot girl she knows how hot girls think, you have a very low probability of score with someone bragging about playing Mario."

If you ignore the fact that the wii appeals heavily to women you might have a point. Bragging to girls about playing any video game kills your chance of scoring.

My gf loves the wii and Mario. We once talked to an attractive female clerk at family video who owned one and mocked the clerk's friend who ditched playing wii with her for a date at a bar. I said the clerk's friend should have invited the girl over to play wii as a pretense for taking her home. They both mentioned that it's an excellent non-threatening reason to get them over and seal the deal.

The clerk was asian. My gf is petite and blond. You're ignoring demographics showing that women buy and play wiis - my gf's sister and mom both have one. Girls love Mario Kart. If you lived in the dorms you'd know they also love SNES.

If you're concerned about getting laid buy a motorcycle.

[NoBias]

It really is obvious that you have zero experience with women and that your penis is more than likely very upset with you.

You're last comment said a LOT about you lmao

[raztad]

OH guys thanks for the good laugh, this is funny as hell! LOL

In a way you right, I'm lacking a bit of more of interaction with girls, that is what happen when you are married :D, but it's ok, I'm gonna say it again SHE knows more than you guys about what girls think.

Probably the difference in age is bigger than you think, probably when you say girls are talking about Teens, but Morgan is talking about ADULTS. You know people with jobs, most probably married and possibly with kids. Let me add something even if you GF loves to play Pokemon I doubt she expect you to play Pokemon as well.

[mal_tez92]

I seriously found Galaxy to be very basic and boring. The only good Mario games are the Mario Bros sidescrollers and Super Mario 64, all others suck.

Ratchet and Clank on the other hand is an amazing series that keeps improving. I can't wait to play A Crack in Time next week. If it is the last game in the series, it just means that it will not outstay its welcome like Mario did a long time ago.

[NoBias]

Seeing as how Super Mario Galaxy has sold over 8 million copies. But hey... Who would want that kinda profit?

Answer: Me and any other sane person.

[gaffyh]

I agree with her, every fanboy here is taking her statement out of context. R&C is aimed at a wider audience because of the way it is made, the dialogue, humor, and gameplay appeal to both young and old audiences. I can't play SMG for 20 mins without getting annoyed, the camera and lack of voice acting is very last gen, get your sh!t together nintendo

[Smacktard]

@raztad:

protip: most "adult" women think that gaming, in general, is immature. There's almost no chance a grown-up adult woman would think that Mario is more mature than Ratchet & Clunk or vice-versa because: they're both video games.

[raztad]

@Smack

"most "adult" women think that gaming, in general, is immature" AGREE. MOST females in their thirties, and more, think any gaming is immature, however I never said R&C would make you look better, in fact I disagree with that opinion but definitely Morgan knows more than you do.

[frostypants]

Why agree OR disagree with Morgan Webb? Who cares? These female game/tech critics are there for eye candy. It's getting ridiculous. "She's hot...therefore let's listen!". F**k that. And I'm not being sexist here...if I was wrong, there'd be a few fugly female critics/hosts to go with the handful of fugly male ones.

Olivia Munn is by far the worst...there's nothing going on behind those dead, dead eyes. Hot though. Definitely hot. But creepy.

I'm not even a Wii owner, and in fact do own a PS3...I just found this annoying.

[syanara]

if galaxy was more like barney then yea id understand but since mario has become such a past time hero then its hard to find a game where you would feel insulted, let me take that back, a game where you would feel... not out of place playing anyways would be hard to find.

[kunit22c]

You Morgan Webb lovers, stop trying to twist her words so people will stop flaming her. She said what she said, and I will say I disagree. But there is no way she didn't mean it, her and almost everyone on G4 is biased against the Wii. Its ridiculous, I watch G4 but there is very little Wii news, except around big events like E3 but the few times there is they flame it. But there are a few exceptions. Don't try to make it seems like she wasn't bashing Mario because she was. Also why is it that iv'e seen a few couples out buying games for their Wii (Including Mario Galaxy) but iv'e never even seen a couple out buying any 360 or PS3 game. Actually wait I saw this one family buying PS3 games. but thats it.

[Millah]

Morgan Webb is a joke, I can't stand her and her opinions, mostly because her opinion sucks 95% of the time. She has terrible taste in video games, and is very one sided with her biases. I thought she was a DS fangirl tho? Most the games she plays on DS are all "kid" games, so whats her point? I can at least respect Adam Sessler as a gamer, but not Morgan.

And for all you guys that thinks shes hot, you really must have just started watching G4 within the past 2 years. If you remember what she looked like back on TechTV, you wouldn't think shes so hot. God her hair used to be so gross and greasy. G4 just puts a ton of makeup on her now and fixes that gross hair she had.

[Shadow Flare]

When a game is called something like Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal, or Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando, you know its not entirely aimed at kids lol

[InLaLaLand]

Don't forget Size Matters for the PSP

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

I didn't figure out what Going Commando meant until a little while ago. It hit me haha.

Up Your Arsenal was an obvious one. Didn't pick up on Size Matters until you mentioned it XD

[zootang]

A crack in time

A cracking time

[InLaLaLand]

Since 'lay the smackdown' was in the Clank demo, here are a few titles for R&C -
R&C: Lay the Smackdown
R&C: Adventure of (Poontang) Pie
R&C: Know Your Role
R&C: Shut Your Mouth
R&C: Rachet 3:16 said I just whooped your a$$
Just my thoughts.

[sikbeta]

You forget about:

Ratchet and Clank Future: Shut a F@ck Up lol

[asdr3wsfas]

Sexual puns are only mature if they're good.

[N4g_null]

R&c is a joke of a game. Even the title says lame adult jokes ahead. Which would be g4 speciality. If they did not have games then I wonder why would they even be on tv. I think MTV could do a better job. They have way hotter girls and the guys don't act like there metrosexuals.

Hell hiphopgamer should try and get a show on there. She knows nsmb wii is coming and there is not a damn thing g4 can do about it.

Anyway this gen is over. They better covert before it's too late!

[heroicjanitor]

What do you mean it's a joke of a game? Do you mean it doesn't take itself seriously, or that it's a bad game? And what do you mean there is nothing they can do about nsmb? Are you implying they dislike the wii and fear the mighty nsmb? lol

[qohelet]

yes, this is more aimed at teens.

[TheHater]

For me, I grew out of Mario. I don't find Mario games appealing because all Nintendo sees to do is milk this guy. Just look, there is Mario kart, tennis, basketball, baseball, Mario Party, Mario paint, etc.

[thehitman]

just thinking about that before I even seen this article about how mario was good etc as I was growing up but now its like eh... people grow up and some type of games are just not for you anymore I think thats what she is trying to say and R&C does a better job at keeping your pride as an adult.

[sakura2009]

maybe shes getting too old for video games and look

she got a bald spot ^^
http://cache.gawker.com/ass...

[LittleBigSackBoy]

Why are you posting it all over the forum? Would you like it if someone took a pic of you and pointed out sh!t? You're a sad little person.

[Anorexorcist]

"Would you like it if someone took a pic of you and pointed out sh!t?"

Hey that's the risk you run when you put yourself out there as a media figurehead. If women want to be on the net and on television, they need to learn the carry all the baggage that comes with it.

Morgen Webb is she like in her 30's already?

[BigKev45]

I would bang Morgan Webb.

[WenisWagon]

What an idiot.

[topgeareasy]

you are

RRODBOX 4 LIFE

[Anorexorcist]

Looks like you forgot to do that little panty-waist fanboy trick where you post your initial comment as an indented response so no one can directly respond to you.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

if your an adult and still sitting playing mario on the wii. you clearly need to go out and shoot a basketball .

still saving the princess , playing mario kart.......LMAO that is so N64....Yeah thats when I let mario go back in the N64 days .

[SlaughterMeister]

Mario has always been a kids game, ever since it was first created.

The question is whether or not you're secure enough in your maturity to play a children's game and not feel insulted. I guess Morgan isn't.

[Relientk77]

people who say Ratchet and Clank is for kids have no idea what they're talking about, the game is full of weapons and destructive devices and gadgets, violence, and blowing sh*t up

[eagle21]

Mario gets chased around by bullets twice his size and shoots fireballs. Miyamoto is just genius enough not to make it look blatantly violent.

This reminds me of the arguments made for Sonic vs. Mario. We all know how that turned out...lol

Mario stands the test of time. Undisputed platform champion. :)

[ABizzel1]

I like both games, and they are different. Ratchet is more of a story driven game, whereas Mario is all about the gameplay and enjoying the environments.

But I agree with what she says kind of. Mario is for every and so is Ratchet, but Ratchet feels more mature than Mario especially the sly adult dialog Insomniac sneaks in to Ratchet. For example it was rumored to be called Ratchet and Clank: Clock Blockers (for those of you who are slow take the "l" out og Clock and you'll get the joke.)

It's little touches like that that truly make Ratchet and Clank enjoyable by everyone.

[asdr3wsfas]

"people who say Ratchet and Clank is for kids have no idea what they're talking about, the game is full of weapons and destructive devices and gadgets, violence, and blowing sh*t up"

Cute animals, guns, explosives, and destructive gizmos - ever watch Looney Tunes?

The genius of that show is that it was originally intended for adults and later expanded to children. Back then we didn't have to justify watching cartoons to ourselves by making arbitrary distinctions. It was a simpler time - a better time.

Personally I still crack up thinking about Foghorn and that dog beating the sh*t out of each other.

[DelbertGrady]

I don't care who it's aimed at as long as it's fun to play.

[mastiffchild]

And Amen. Why deny yourself either game when quality platformers are a dying breed? I prefer Ratchet and Clank(then again I was always a Sonic gamer rather than a Mario fan back in the SNES Megadrive days-so it might be I still don't trust the plumber from way back then!)myself but still loved playing SMG as both games were filled(last time out) with great touches and a joy at being a video game.

Both series revel in that fact and it shows in the lighthearted way we play through them too. There's something, even now, that's special in some way about a mainline Mario game(64/SSunshine/Galaxy). Something in the way the team is so comfortable in their task that it comesout inthe games as a joyful, disarming experience which not many games or series of games these days, can boast.

So is Ratchet so lets just play the damn games-they're easily good enough and there aren't enough quality platformers about in any case!

I love my R&C games and look forward to their release just as much as I do to any other big game these days. It's all good stuff to me !

[kingme71]

Attack of the Show or XPlay?

In any case, it's well known Morgan loves R&C if you watch XPlay at all, but Galaxy is just as fun as R7C. My kids loves both and I have fun with both, so let's just be friends and call it even :)

[The_Zeitgeist]

My 5 year old son loves Ratchet and Clank which is awesome because the game is actually a fun and challenging experience. I guess you could say Mario is challenging but Morgan is right, as an adult you just feel silly playing it. I mean she is in 30's, I am 27 and yet Ratchet and Clank is still light hearted enough for the kids, but witty and challenging enough for the adults to play. So thank you Insomniac for making a game that I can bond with my kid playing and have fun.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Agreed.

[asdr3wsfas]

Yet you play Littlebigplanet.

[ChickeyCantor]

I guess her man-hormones are doing the talking....seems like its not working well.

She sure has the balls to say something this stupid.

" I guess Mario Galaxy, but Mario Galaxy feels like its aimed so much for kids. Whereas this is like for everyone, but you feel like you’re not being insulted when playing it as an adult. "

SMG is also for everyone, and i see no reason to be "insulted" if you play it as an adult. This alone makes it sound childish.
Being an adult is about taking responsibilities, I do not see how a kid friendly game has anything to do with that. Her statement is just retarded.

[EvilTwin]

I wouldn't call it "stupid." Misguided, yes. But not stupid.

Somewhere, at some point, "mature" gaming came to mean guns, blood, bouncing breasts and swearing. But if we're using that standard, modern horror movies are more "mature" than North By Northwest or Citizen Kane.

But if anything, a game like Ratchet and Clank would be analogous to Star Wars -- strange creatures, robots, futuristic weapons, etc. You wouldn't call SW "adult" compared to something like Schindler's List.

Just 'cause the robot and lomax are packing heat doesn't make it any more "mature" than watching a cartoon with fantasy violence.

The storyline is an afterthought in Mario games, anyway. Playing Mario for the story is like listening to NFL commentary for intellectual insights on world events.

[DelbertGrady]

Awesome observations. You hit the nail on the head.

[ChickeyCantor]

Perhaps she just used the wrong words.
But really the way they make something so simple into something so complex with strings attached everywhere. Its as if gaming is not about gaming anymore.

But I agree with you.

[asdr3wsfas]

@Sidar

She didn't use the wrong words, she's said dust off your wii a couple times in the few web clips I've seen. She also asked Reggie something about what they were doing for the hardcore nintendo gamers (he sadly said animal crossing which I've never played but sounds bad - instead Metroid Prime Trilogy and Sin and Punishment 2 and New Super Mario Wii should have been mentioned).

"I guess her man-hormones are doing the talking....seems like its not working well."

It's not hard to imagine with that jaw and those shoulders.

@eviltwin: Very nice points on mature gaming compared to movies. But it's pretty stupid for anyone who plays video games for a living to call Mario childish. My dad is a professor and when he taught high school he beat the original Mario. Since he held a real job he felt no need to justify his recreation.

I'm more insulted by video game plots than playing Mario as an adult. There's almost no way to make a story good when it only attempts to justify why you're killing thousands of people. There are very, very rare exceptions like Fallout (1 and 2, never played 3) and Chrono Trigger, but in the former you could almost entirely avoid combat and the latter just filled it with monsters. Regardless those plots were only adequate.

No More Heroes would qualify but not because the plot is a good story in itself. It's genius in revealing the interaction between the player, his motivations and the game that reveals while demonstrating the limitations of the medium. It exploits what video games are to make it remarkable.

Lastly Morgan Webb doesn't know sh*t, she has a degree in rhetoric and I rip on her above for messing up on building a gaming pc.

[ChickeyCantor]

Well you know Nintendo now, they will say they have nothing untill the game is almost released.
Same happened with excitebike.

Anyone should know by now that Nintendo will only mention their games close to release date.

They will say every rumor is false and then suddenly confirm some are true.(Price drop was also denied and then a couple of days after the rumor was rendered false by Nintendo themselves, they confirmed it was true...).

But i meant she might have used the wrong words by saying its "insulting"...it sounds childish on her part.

[EvilTwin]

oobob -- To a large extent, modern gaming exists because of Mario, so yeah...it's not the smartest thing to say. But I'm trying to be charitable, lol.

I completely agree with you on the morality of certain games. What is so "mature" about killing hundreds (thousands?) of people/creatures in a sci-fi shooter with a flimsy plot? I've never understood that.

A game like NHM is a strange exception. I honestly think of it as a flat-out satire.
-- The sandbox/open world? A send-up of GTA clones.
-- The over-the-top violence? Just like Tarantino's "Kill Bill," they're both send ups of revenge tales (to comedic effect).
-- The over the top bosses? There's some social commentary buried in them.
-- The oddball, 4th wall breaking ending? It includes an in-joke on making games and the deadlines that come with it, combined with some humor on the bad plot of so many revenge tales.

Not to be too pretentious, but with the way some people talk about NHM, I don't think they "get" the joke (that it's aware of its own absurdity and limitations as a game; it's a running commentary on the industry). Interestingly, that's something G4 mentioned in their own review! Suda put some heady stuff in there.

Anyways, this is a thread on Mario, so I better shut up.

Good post on the PC building, btw.

[Checkmate]

I've disliked Morgan Webb from the day she joined X-Play. I never like her reviews. Her voice is annoying. And she has to work extremely hard to look semi-good-looking. IMO

[Ninjamonkey]

Ive got super mario galaxy and it is brilliant but it is very kiddish and definately aimed towards them more than R&C.

From the art style, to the animations, to the story and even the way people speak. Its always done with children in mind.

Yes R&C is fine for children but you feel much less of a kid playing it. the game feels like its for all ages to enjoy.

Istill love SMG but whilst I dont agree with the word "insulted", I can see where the guy is coning from completely.

[eagle21]

Mario FTW! I have been a true Mario fan since the christmas I got an NES. I wouldn't care if I was the only "adult" who loved Mario. He kicks any platformers a$$. :O

[Gen0ne]

I grew up with Mario, he's actually the reason I still game today. But it's finally happened, I'm over him. That's just Mario though. Samus, Link, and Fox still got me though. I dunno about Galaxy being insulting though. Some of the level designs in that game where expertly handled and I watched it frustrate the hell outta 2 seasoned kid gamers and this particular adult. Dexterity is paramount in all Mario games. While I'll never spit on the man that brought me into this gaming world, I am ready to say bye. Go wrangle up some more new kids and propel them into gaming's next gen. Also, Mario has done great things, Morgan speaks as though he's washed up. Mario may have Ms. Webb putting her formidable jaw to good use by making her eat her words one day.

[sajj316]

Stupid comment. I enjoyed Galaxy. Does that make me a kid?

[eagle21]

It makes you a gamer who knows an excellent game when you see one. :)

[swinesucker]

Wow, look at the wii dooshers out to kill. Galaxy has nothing but gameplay. NOTHING. It's 480p with ABSOLUTLEY ZERO STORY. THIS IS WHAT SHE IS GETTING AT! ADULTS NEED MORE THAN JUST GAMEPLAY. SHE IS NOT TALKING HARDCORE GAMERS! I had a lot of fun with the game but if you think this game is innovative in any way you are seriously kidding yourself. Galaxy is a retread just like every other N franchise and its attempt to meld with adult gamers AKA heavy rain is laughable at best. Good N is........ but never innovative anymore in any single way.

[ChickeyCantor]

"Galaxy has nothing but gameplay"

And this is insulting how?

"ADULTS NEED MORE THAN JUST GAMEPLAY"

BS its diverse with every person.
An Adult is nothing but a grown up kid.
People really need to stop attaching strings to something so simple.
Games are games, enjoy them as they are.
If you feel insulted then you have personal issues.

[swinesucker]

I in no way feel insulted just let down. Nintendo has tremendous catching up to do if they ever think to succeed next gen. Gimmicks only go so far. Galaxy was awesome no gimmick. I enjoyed every minute but c'mon people they have to grow and they are not.

[ChickeyCantor]

" I enjoyed every minute but c'mon people they have to grow and they are not. "

They dont have a reason to grow(while they have in some departments, although they have a long way to go), every year new kids join the gaming world.
Nintendo is a perfect way to get connected game wise.
(people will have different needs when they grow up, yes thats a fact so eventually they can also enjoy the PS3 and 360 as many here do).

But by no means are games like mario galaxy "insulting", its just friendly.
One could say its too easy, but even that is something relative.
Its different with every adult/person.

[Gen0ne]

... in a kinda-sorta-not really-type way. You really don't need to type in all caps to get your point across. What are you in love with her or something? The 480p thing, you're gonna have to let that one go. It's a moot point. Everyone here is aware the Wii's screen resolution and isn't here to discuss that. And if you're gonna talk about adults requiring more story to justify it being a mature title have you played Left 4 Dead? You can sum up that game's story up in 2 paragraphs or if you're really grammatically gifted, in 1. Why? 'Cause L4D stands on the crutch of game play to cover for the lack of story. Which could be said for most mature titles out there. For the record, I love me some L4D. And then there's innovative thing. That's like saying Uncharted 2 IS innovation. Because well, it's not. What it is though, is everything we've seen before done infinitely better and delivered in a way that hasn't been done yet. It deserves all the praise it gets. As does Mario. For the gaming landscape would not be what it is without him. So for you and Ms Webb...SHOW SOME RESPECT! ( see? it kinda sucks when you throw the caps in there doesn't it? ) No one like to be yelled at. Cut the sh*t.

[asdr3wsfas]

"I had a lot of fun with the game but if you think this game is innovative in any way you are seriously kidding yourself. Galaxy is a retread just like every other N franchise and its attempt to meld with adult gamers AKA heavy rain is laughable at best."

There are how many R + C games? How about COD? Street Fighter? All these series have more games than Mario and started many years later with few or no changes in core gameplay.

Nintendo isn't innovative. Did you notice the wiimote? Oh, you said that's a gimmick.

There are 3 3d Mario titles: Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, and SMG. The only way you could say SMG is the same as Mario 64 is if you never played Mario 64. Sunshine is closer but the galaxy traveling mechanic is completely different as are the perspective changes - when have you seen secrets in Mario hidden on the bottom of the platform? Or between the platforms?

Keep in mind there are what, 9 R + C games, all in 3d? Clearly Nintendo can't innovate like Insomniac.

"ADULTS NEED MORE THAN JUST GAMEPLAY."

And this is why wii sports/sports resort was heavily adopted by adults who never played video games. They wanted to see if the volcano on WuHu island erupts.

[Iceman100]

Then i guess Ratchet and clank is for toddlers.

[duskywolf50]

I only interesting in good story and graphics worth my money. If I am on Will then I pick Mario and PS3 will be Rachet and Crank.

[Goomba12]

Love how these "journalists" opinions on something is news here. Morgan Webb is nothing but a puppet for G4, here opinion should mean nothing to gamers.

Btw she isnt even hot.

[Djinn]

This is the first time I've ever heard Morgan Webb say anything intelligent. Usually when she talks I want to destroy my ear canals.

[ozstar]

They want to sell the game. How do you sell a game to a market driven by teenagers with a thirst for being treated as adults? You psychologically replace their self doubt with guns, sex and anything remotely resembling this narrow definition of maturity.

[chrisulloa]

Are you kidding? Mario Galaxy got better reviews, the choice is obvious. Mario Galaxy is actually really fun.

[TheTeam06]

This might sound crazy, but.... I think...... both are fun....

OMG SHIELD TEH EYEZZ!

[rickodemilo]

I think the gameplay is for anybody but the overall style and character designs are pretty kiddy. Maybe kids can grab up those purple luigi coins on the first shot but I can't.

[DethWish]

What an idiot.
Galaxy is the best 3d platformer I've ever played and shouldn't be missed by anyone into gaming, child or adult.

[MAGNUM-RAM]

I don't know why she feels that Mario galaxy which is even why I bought a wii once is insulting her intelligence.
As much as she loves insomniac she is purposely hurting ratchet & clank to help tarnish it.
Not cute & completly obvious.

[Picnic]

I've only played one Ratchet and clank game - the demo of Tools of destruction. Based on that, the universal praise (and I mean UNIVERSAL- I can count on the fingers of about one finger the number of criticisms I have seen of the series) puzzles me. It seems that there are a lot of sci-fi shooter platform hybrid fans. I don't doubt that, for them, Ratchet and clank may seem good. But surely there must be more people who feel that you can't beat the likes of the fairty tale themes of Banjo Kazooie or the zany yet elegant action of the Jet Set Radio series? If you want a sci-fi shooter with platform elements you play a game like Half life 2 instead surely?

[asdr3wsfas]

I had the exact same experience with the reviews and the demo. Watered down FPS/TPS and watered down platformer.

Jet Set Radio is awesome. You're old school - most people here aren't. Those ps games they love like R + C won't appeal to us cause we played HL and the like...they were introduced to FPS by ps2, not PC/Goldeneye.

[4Sh0w]

"Mario Galaxy feels like its aimed so much for kids."

Yes, she's right, but so R&C. Now if her point is that R&C has a more mature theme, then yes I'd say so, but thats like saying Barney is more kiddy than Sesame Street, yeah sure it is but they both primarily appeal to kids...theres really not much difference besides personal preference.

psss, I'll tell you guys a secret--> Adults can enjoy entertainment or products that are primarily intended for children, especially when it is a quality product/game, if you feel insulted then its probably just not your kind of game or you're taking your hobby way too seriously.

Did you know Baseball is a evolved form of a peasant childrens game, as time went on obviously rules were added/changed of course but theres no doubt that originally baseball was considered a stupid childs game that was even outlawed by certain places at one point, now today grown men earn a very comfortable living playing a childrens game, and they definitely don't feel insulted when they get their paychecks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Shnazzyone]

I caught that too and I get the sense they were payed quite a bit by sony to push this game. They kindof have to because noone who would buy ratchet and clank own a ps3. they either are holding out for god of war, busy playing Uncharted 2. Ratchet and clank isn't even on their radar.

Also.. sorry morgan I never felt insulted by Galaxy and i don't understand where you pulled that from. My only possible explanation is someone payed xplay a bit more this time around. Judging by the last month of Ratchet and clank contests and previews I'm guessing they had to deliver.

[GarandShooter]

'They kindof have to because noone who would buy ratchet and clank own a ps3.'

So you're saying there won't be any R&C sales, or the people who buy it don't own the system on which to play it? Beyond ridiculous.

[Subzero200x]

Well i guess for once she is right, because if you think about it nintendo has been insulting us since the gamecube days with less than stellar games. Mario in 3d does not work as least for me, and it's probably has been insulting to some since the game has basically been a coin collecting game since mario 64.

[The Desperado Lives]

but adults play them too. That's not a good thing just so you know.

Nintendo freaks like to call themselves young at heart. The proper term is young at mind, or mentally challenged. They're all a little bit retarded for playing with kids toys at 20 or 30+. They haven't outgrown childish tendencies.

This is not trolling, this is scientific fact backed up by extensive research. It is 100% true.

[Shnazzyone]

I bet your like 12 and haven't even held a job. How do you know what an adult game is. Your absolutely a troll regardless of your Bull ending there. Fact is that you probably wont even buy ratchet and clank like the rest of you hypocrite PS3 kids.

All I know is I have beaten every Mario game at least once while every R&C title I get bored and stop playing before even getting halfway through the title. Happened to me 2 times before. The characters are really not that great, they really are such boring, generic characters. Like snarky hero and calculating dry sidekick is revolutionary. Deal with the fact that xplay was paid good ad dollars for this review and that's why this was said. Ask them three days later and i'd bet anything they would secretly take a week of galaxy over R&C any day of the week.

[Dead_Cell]

I grew up with Mario,when I think Mario I think childhood.
Mario has ALWAYS been aimed more at children,it is utterly child friendly in the way it goes about the game as does Sonic.
R&C is the same kind of game but more risque,I've always seen it as the "Ice Age" films that appeal across ANY audience without overly alienating any of it.

It's hard to explain,I see Ratchet and Clank in the same direction as I do Zelda/Crash Bandicoot,as it's child friendly but it's not rubbing your face in child-like tones.

[lizard81288]

*sigh*

do all games need, guns, blood, swear words, & chicks with big boobs these days? really, both games are fine. i don't see R&C being that mature, it is more mature than a mario game, but still. its "the mario" of the sony series. hell, if people say "my children enjoy this", it can't be that mature. many people still play mario, even grown-ups. mario games are always solid.
plus sony is also trying to get the casual players too with LBP, i wonder if her intelligence was insulted playing that too?
specs shouldn't really matter either. sometimes i wonder if ET was ported to the PS3 with the same gameplay, but had great graphics, if it would sell or not, since these days
teh grafixs!!!>gameplay

as for G4, it pretty much is spike tv jr. WTF does COPS have to do with video games anyways. i lost G4, since my cable co moved it up on the channels. don't think i'm missing much though.

i'd still bang her too.

[Fierce Musashi]

Um, who cares if Mario Galaxy has a more kid-ish look than R&C? The quality makes up for it, does it not? It's currently the highest rated exclusive title this generation. Surely it wouldn't be if it can make older gamers (reviewers) feel insulted by playing it.

Weather if someone feels insulted playing or not is totally depends on the gamer.

I'm 17 years old, and I recently downloaded the original Yoshi and SMB 3 via Shop Channel. I do not feel one bit insulted by playing those games nor do I think I will ever.

[bigjclassic]

She is like a 30 year old wannabe. And def not hot at all.
*on topic*

When Galaxy dropped in 07, 5 of my adult friends and myself went through that game and still play the hell outta Galaxy to this day. She knows nothing as a gamer or even a person.

*off topic*
Webb and Sessler need to go. Sessler is almost 40 and Webb is a married 30 yr old woman. Does she even finishes games anymore.....highly doubt it.

[The Desperado]

That doesn't mean the game isn't kiddy. It is. ALL NIntendo games are. They are for children. Adults play them, then try to compare them to the equally awful Pixar series of films to try to defend them.

YOU ARE CHILDREN PLAYING WITH TOYS. EAT IT.

[Shnazzyone]

Reported.

Besides desperado there is a rule that you aren't permitted to say what is considered mature until you can grow pubes. Since based on these insecure comments you must be just starting puberty. Then you should keep your mouth shut. My guess is you couldn't even comprehend what a controller was for until God of war 2 came out.

[lizard81288]

she's married?
wow i didn't know that

[jackalman]

SWALLOOOOOWWWWWWWSSSSS!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

[Shogun Master]

Shes an idiot

[Niske]

Quote of the day guys, he knows his stuff.

[Tr10wn]

Erm yea Mario a Gaming Legend vs Ratchet the guy no ones know, yuo ill keep that quote in mind

[mark3574]

I have always known morgan webb was stupid and this just proves that....what a dumbass

[Senden]

Mario is a kids game... anyone who disagrees is blind however it relies on it's charm and alure to be appealing to adults. It's a bit like a pixxar film... while most are designed to attract a younger audience, they can be enjoyed and appreciated by anyone.

[kingdavid]

its a she..

but id also accept shemale

[dib8rman]

Needs more Shadow the failhog.

[picoso36]

SMG was great...for a Nintendo game. Its fun, but how can people deny it's story book feel? Nothing wrong with that either.

[dragonyght]

in mario you bunny hopping around in rachet you shoots, kill and destroy how can anyone disagree with that logic

[Alcon Caper]

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[Luigi-dude10]

Really...what the hell does Morgan Webb know about good videogames...Super Mario Galaxy has gotten so many GOTY awards it would make Clank's head spin. What has the Ratchet and Clank series gotten...nothing. I love RaC 3 and Dealocked, but Galaxy is absolutly not just for kids, I'll be playing Mario till the day I die, Morgan webb should shut her damn mouth and keep being a poster girl for a crappy game channel that only eccels at replaying old episodes of cops....

[CertifiedGamer]

In ratchet and clank you are trying to get somewhere and the story feels like an action movie where things are happening and you don't know what to expect. Mario galaxy it feels like o pick this or that world to get a star and save the princess that you are always been saving over and over again.
Mario does feel like a little kids game next to ratchet and clank, even though they are both for kids but Im sure you would rather watch south park over ben 10 cuz you know exactly what to expect in the next episode some bad guys are going to cause the same chaos they always do and mess something up and then this kid is going to have to go alien on them while in south park you don't know what is going to happen in the next episode. South Park is Ratchet and clank while Ben 10 is Mario get it.

[dragon82]

As someone who is pushing 30 I have to agree with her. I am quickly outgrowing Mario games.

[Theoneneo81]

G4 Sucks any way