Playstation 2 Eyetoy is Project Natal

A little look in the pass of the PlayStation 2 eye toy and some project Natal demo's

[CrippleH]

Seems like the industry has forgotten Eyetoy can do this also.

[warzonegamer]

ur right thats why i had to show it off

[PinkUni]

it was on dreamcast/ps2 but it was called seaman

same sh!t

[WenisWagon]

The eye"toy" had absolutely no good games. The lineup for Project Natal is going to be fantastic and full of AAA titles.

[theEnemy]

didn't gave a sh1t about EyeToy because Sony didn't market it like what MS is doing on Natal.

It's all about Marketing.

The EyeToy is ahead of it's time, and Sony didn't take advantage of that.

And now Natal is gaining what the EyeToy should have been gained years ago.

[colonel179]

The problem is that the media seems so in love with MS that they ignore those things, they even go as far as to forget/pretend the eyetoy existed just to praise for Natal. The same with games. remember how Heavenly Sword got smashed in reviews because it was short?, and now with Halo ODST they don't even care if it is actually shorter, and is not a complete game that you have to pay full price?

Also look at the upcoming games, when the media (be it IGN or a blog) they always lists DLC for it, like GTA4 as a GAME, when is not, because if it is about listing DLCs to, why they never listed Wipeout Fury Pack, it could be sold as a sequel because it was so complete, and what about Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty. I mean, the media just like to ignore that Sony also has big DLC.

Another thing that comes to mind, that the media "forgot" was downloadable full games. When MS announced their service to download full games, they just completely ignore the fact that Sony had been doing that way loong before with Warhawk, Grand Turismo 5 Prologue, SOCOM: Confrontation and others.

It is just that the gaming media is so unreliable now, they take more importance on opinions and bias than actual facts and news.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Old technology reborn with a new name. That is all. Somehow that same old tech is touted as the next best thing according to Microsoft and its fanboys, like we haven't seen it before. It's been done, it's been tried, but it ultimately was not what the mass consumer wanted. I'm glad Sony put that controller-less approach to the back seat.

[evrfighter]

sucks to be sony. I'm sure they're regretting naming that thing "eyetoy"
you couldn't market that outside of a kindergarten class.

[Ragz017]

motion controllers :(

im happy with my ds3 :)

[LtSkittles]

Why don't you name some of those games for me?

[HolyOrangeCows]

That it's all about software. They can beef up the camera all they want, it won't do anything that software can't simulate with the images from any old camera.

[MNicholas]

They are just advertising outlets for big brands. They just blindly repeat what the big companies tell them.

[marinelife9]

And the eye toy has less lag!

[sugard0]

This is the 3DV Cam (once known as the Z-Cam) that can detect objects in a 3D space whereas the original Eyetoy detects in a 2D space. Microsoft bought the makers of Z-Cam which is the technology they are using in Project Natal. I remember watching that video a while ago and I thought to myself.... why the hell didnt Sony buy the Z-Cam company because they have obviously patented there techniques for sensing objects in a 3D space.

This is the reason why Sony has developed motion controllers to help the Playstation Eye sense things in a 3D space. The good thing about the work around they created is, its not a work around at all, because using no controllers in a game sucks.

[MNicholas]

but the lighting and surroundings can cause disruptions.

We still haven't seen how Natal copes with real world conditions. Theoretically, there's no reason why it won't work. It's all in the software.

It might even alter the 3D image being displayed to simulate 3D and add a sense of depth.

[Narutone66]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
And it's out already.

[vhero]

I said this the moment I saw it and surprised this is the first article on this yeah its all about marketing but the eyetoy got a LOT of marketing near its initial launch. It did nothing for it which is why Natal will probably do nothing aswell.

[TotalPS3Fanboy]

And not only that, the PS3 Motion Controller is going to combine with it to form an awesomeness of the like that have never been seen before.

[Raoh]

theEnemy pretty much hit it on the nail

I'll bet you the next gen xbox will have a browser and microsoft will be labeled innovative and forward thinking because microsoft will market the browser better than nintendo and sony are doing right now.

[sikbeta]

The same goes for the wii-fit crap:

[frostypants]

@1.3: Natal hasn't done sh*t yet.

[edgeofblade]

*sigh*

The ONLY hard metric that determines how well a product does is how it sells. All the artistic and technological considerations amount to jack sh!t in the real world. It's incredible how often people lose sight of that in their fanboyish fury.

[tordavis]

Oh yeah Warzonegamer from Warzonegamer podcast. I wonder where he got that name from?

[Chubear]

Part of MS's MO is to capitalize on an audience that doesn't know much or are ill-informed about certain products. This is how they make their money. It's no different with their 360 product and it's current consumers - They just don't know.

People talk about how the PS2 eyetoy didn't have any killer games but the thing is it did have many games for it but they were never hyped by the media. However, MS can bring out games on Natal exactly like on the PS3 eyetoy games, but with current gen resolution in graphics, and heavily market and stroke the gaming media (who are well aware it's nothing new) and they'll get the exact same game to seem like it's new and a big hit with 9s & 10s.

MS has always been about marketing. If they have $100 to spend on a product they'll spend 10% on the product and 90% marketing the product. This is true for the general mentality of business in NA spawning from the late 70s & 80s.

IMO, you're being duped if you by a 360 and very soon MS will do to the 360 fanbase what they did with the xbox fanbase. It's just crazy how every single gen after the NES, millions of gamers routinely fall for the same trick over and over again. Crazy.

[misterssippi]

Jesus Christ. To be such fanboys, you apparently don't realize the eyetoy was never able to recognize 3D. Just a sad excuse to try and flame Microsoft. How could you post a video and not even listen to what the guy doing the tech display says?!?!? YOU FAIL HORRIBLY!

The guy said he was using a 'Z Cam', you know? From 3dv studios, the company responsible for project Natal. YOOUUU FAAAAIIIIILLLL! LMAO!!!

[DevastationEve]

...and Sony didn't copy off Xbox Live?

edit: oh so in fact they didn't. hm, tell me exactly who it was that said that online console gaming was not their concern and should be up to the developers...

[The 1]

So some early version of this camera tech may or may not have been the ancestor of both Natal and PSeye crap.

What is the point? They're two different animals now, one is full body 3D motion and the other still primitive even more so than the supposed camera ancestor these cameras supposedly share, according to this misinformed article.

Did you guys even listen to the video? The tech shown was a 3dv camera and had nothing to do with PS-eyetoy-crap.

This PS3 fanboy -MEE TOO- moment makes about as much sense as *Cathode Ray Tube* fanboys saying Liquid Crystal Display tech was copied and is over hyped.

IM SORRY BUT WHEN NATAL LAUNCHES PLAYSTATION CAMERA TECH ISN'T MAGICALLY GOING TO BE AS ADVANCED HARDWARE WISE WITH SOFTWARE AS SOPHISTICATED AS NATAL'S.

JUST BECAUSE A BUNCH OF >ME TOO< SAYING PS3 FANBOYS ARE WORRIED ABOUT NATAL NEGATING ANY SONY PROGRESS OR SUCCESS THIS GENERATION AND ARE TRYING TO DOWNPLAY IT AND BOOST SONY'S TECH DOESN'T MEAN THE MASSES OF THE WORLD WAITING FOR NATAL WILL BE DUPED WHEN BOTH TECHS ARRIVE.

[NoBias]

Or lack there of... It's not M$'s fault that Sony just started putting out more commercials. Sony's to blame for their piss poor marketing and not informing the public. I mean, damn, even the original poster of the article had to hunt it down on youtube and "stumbled" across it.

Sony has had no concept of the word "marketing". You can disagree if you want but just look at the facts. Hell, this is even my first time seeing this video.

Sony, if you invent the wheel: Show it to the public! Otherwise you can bet your ass that someone else will come along and do so after a few years (Omg... years...)

[WenisWagon]

Fable III, the new lineup of games that RARE is developing (perhaps another Perfect Dark, Killer instinct?)

But don't worry.. you still have eyepet.. and that one game with cards and dragons or something...

[LtSkittles]

You said 'Full of AAA games,' and all I see is three titles. You should probably not speak until you know more about Natal. Sorry, but three titles is not 'full', and how do you know these games are AAA, have you played them? Fill me in on how they're AAA. I want full details on how these games are AAA. What are their review scores?

[KingKionic]

THis wasn't the eyetoy this was the 3dv camera .

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[warzonegamer]

that ended up becoming Eyetoy tha was just a demo showing it of b4 it became eye toy

[KingKionic]

3dv camera is Natal but further improved .

Eyetoy is pseye .

[OSIRUSSS]

further Improved How?

[KingKionic]

There`s demos on the 3dv website that shows applications .
http://www.3dvsystems.com/g...

Even the ces video shows the reaction speed change compared to these videos .

http://n4g.com/tech/NewsCom...

@ below

Well isn't that random .,.

[whateva]

lol

[colonel179]

Eyetoy is the one that came out for the PS2

PS Eye is the one for the PS3 and only works for PS3

[cliffbo]

it was eyetoy the section you showed was demonstrating the 3dv tech which sony developed the software for.

please note it was sony not ms who developed the software as ms are claiming.

[MK24ever]

Eyetoy/PSeye CAN'T make what the 3dv camera does, I saw all this movies many time ago and I know what I'm talking about, at the time this video was done, the guy from Sony was testing the 3dv camera indeed, from the same company that Microsoft bought the technology from, 3dv can recognize depth of field by using IR sensors and a special filter, PSeye can't, what PSeye can do is recognize shape and color, not actual depth of field at full scale, HOWEVER the eyetoy can recognize color, shape and size, and this combination is what the Playstation motion controllers are all about (associated with gyroscopes), the camera sees the "ball" at the tip of the controller, and by the size shifting of that ball (closer or farther) it can create a full 3d Space, but only for that object (the ball/controller).

The 3dv could've very well be bought by Sony like 10 years ago, but that man in the video that works for SCE R&D believed that at the time it was something that wouldn't be an exponential leap from eye-toy, and it would require a two-camera equipment (one for the IR camera and the other to a normal camera), so a expensive peripheral.

Now what we are seeing from Microsoft is that old original eye-toy hype recycled with Microsoft ULTRA HUGE MEGA Marketing Hype OMG is THA future crap, I believe we will see many many applications done with it, but don't expect shooters and 3rd action games made with natal, what you can expect is fitness games and casual crap.

I'm kinda sad that so many hardcore gamers and mainly X360 fanboys are so "Natal" oriented, cause as this video from the R&D guy from Sony shows, it's just another gimmick thing, and the lack of feedback in our hands will be the fail of this product.

Yo wan Natal now? Just put some game on auto-play and wave your arms and legs in air to match what's happening on screen, you'll then know how awesome controller free games will be...

[The 1]

You guys are making sh*t up trying to downplay the 360 and Natal. The video has nothing to do with Playstation tech did you even listen to the video? LOL dig up old ass builds of tech and slaps fanboy rants and title on the story.

bu bu bu "ME TOO" that's all this is.

[The 1]

PS-EYETOY-Crap does not track more than one person at a time nor does it track full 48 joint bodies in low light. Mad because the world is waiting for NAtal and the Japanese developer are excited like school girls. Mad because MSFT will have a market of its own.

So you can stop disagreeing now and move along.

[scott182]

@the 1. Talk about having a market to yourself, have you heard of the eyepet? Ms has there work cut out for them. Also it's easy to see your bitter anyways calling the eye toy crap, no need for that.

[KingKionic]

Bitter?

THere`s a difference in the devices .

Eyetoy isn't Natal .

[scott182]

I was just trying to make a point that the eye pet is a hit and it's mostly hands free gaming. Sony is first to the market, I agree that natal is more powerfull.

[mattygamefreak]

Eyetoy was way ahead of it's time. Too bad it was never used for anything but casual games. Then again, when it comes to playing real games I'd rather use a controller anyways.

[GamerPS360]

It was not ahead of time. It was just poor planning. MS saw potential and they are digging it deep with Natal.

[cmrbe]

but somehow people want to go backwards and do waving and gesturing. Are we going back to the stone age?. lol j/k.

[Theonik]

and that's were Natal will end up as a controller although it might see some side-implementation with some games. Ps-motion will also end up like that although it has greater potential for being used as a main control method as the RE5 news show.

[DevastationEve]

Cmrbe, controllers have been around for decades...in gaming and elsewhere too. Pilots of commercial aircraft in the 50s had throttles and joysticks to play with.

Controllers are old. Natal is new. Why do you think modern luxury cars have "keyless ignition" or other forms of entry...because the common denominator is to remove manual labor as much as possible. The future IS Minority Report, or even Star Trek. Once the idea is planted the rest is just a matter of r&d and then feedback. If Natal succeeds it's because there was a demand for it, if not then another idea comes out and gets put through the same process.

But you can't say that Microsoft isn't trying. Natal is NOT Eye Toy or PS3 Eye. Natal is Microsoft's project.

[UnwanteDreamz]

"...because the common denominator is to remove manual labor as much as possible. The future IS Minority Report, or even Star Trek".

You have just defeated yourself. If use my thumbs to move from left to right in a game how is using my body to do the same action less labor? Again, even with Star Trek's take on VR you are required to move your body to play out your fantasy or whatever so how is that easier than pressing the buttons on a controller? Motion controllers are not about removing manual labor they are about mimicking it.

[cyclindk]

"A little look in the pass"

[SiLeNt KNighT]

i hope it was for a touchdown!

[GamerPS360]

wow, all 360 bashing article is popping up. Seems like they were all holding since 2006 to publish now.

PS3 has been taking throughout the life cycle but the table has turned.

As of right now, no interest on Natal but in future who knows !!

[whateva]

I'm onQ Quincy

[Digitaldude]

Honestly when natal was launched, it gathered a HUGE following, i mean why? whats the difference between natal and eye toy, except being a bit more accurate, not much is there...

[Mike134nl]

The difference between the eye toy and natal is the same difference as the difference between xbox live vision camera and natal.

Next to a camera and a multiple microphone array natal has an onboard processor and depth sensor (infrared).

[HDgamer]

the new eyetoy is PSeye which is for the ps3. This is something that sony is really repeating from the last gen, not supporting this accessory enough.

[Swiftfox]

Actually, I think Sony is showing more support for the PSEye in an indirect way with the Wand. The wands will ( I assume) be bundled with the PSEye and a launch game. Taking advantage of the market that adopted the Wii, will see respectable numbers of PSEye's in PS3 owner homes.

Once the base is defined they can start dedicating in-house teams to PSEye titles, while other first and third party studios implement the Wand and PSEye in new and existing franchises.

Sony is planting the seeds, we'll just have to wait to see if anything grows.

[Gun_Senshi]

I been saying this since annoucement with video proof

[cmrbe]

It must be new. Same as windows lol!.

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

AND ITS SO FUNNY HOW THAT RETARD ON STAGE DURING THE DEMO AT E3 SAID THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BE4..WELL BAM!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IT IS

[3sq]

I just wanted to laugh at those idiot Japanese developers (including Kojima)that think Project Natal is new tech. LOL

[infekt]

BUUURN lil xturds! lmao! You're precious company just got PWNED! I love it. Sony just kept quiet and let the pieces fall in into place and let intelligent people discover the truth. You xb!tches love getting force-fed stick don't you? Common. Admit it you like it..

[saint_john_paul_ii]

this video was posted a while ago about Dr. Mark's Lecture. He worked on the same tech that MS Bought recently which is Natal (MS bought 3dv). they could of used this tech if they wanted to for the PS3, but decided not to.

[LinuxGuru]

3rd grade writer. Ugh.

[xcox]

http://www.us.playstation.c...
http://gamevideos.1up.com/v...

yeah xb!tches: that was 2004 PS2

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

its too bad sony never continiued this tech..imagine where they would be now if they would of kept improving the eyetoy,,but who knows maybe they wanted to consentrate on games played with the control..maybe we never would of seen all the great games they came out with if they stuck with eyetoy

[chrisulloa]

Nah you guys just beta tested it for us. Thanks droids.

[xcox]

"Nah you guys just beta tested it for us"
... and then we moved on to something practical.

having played antigrav a lot myself, i know exactly what the limitations are and why sony moved towards the wand tech.

that's the problem with monkeying other people's ideas: you're always a step or two behind, hahahahaha XD

[dredgewalker]

@chrisullua
Yes we beta tested it and it didn't work out too well thats why we have the wand. Oh God i find you to be the stupidest troll along with wenis. Are you saying you are proud to to have an abandoned project? How many times must you own yourself? The 360 community would be ashamed to have you defend them with your idiotic ramblings.

[FlameBaitGod]

lol chris you really are something huh, you try to use the same frases ps3 owners use on 360 fanboys and fail miserably. You use them and the wors possible momments and make ur self look smarter every time. Ill remember to pray for u bro

[Kushan]

Yeah, the Eyetoy is Natal in the same way that a NES pad is a SIXAXIS - they kind of do the same thing, but on completely different levels of sophistication.

[PirateThom]

How can you prove that though?

There's been nothing shown of Natal in real time bar a laggy block breaker demo (which could be done with the PS Eye without breaking a sweat and with less lag) and Burnout Paradise with horrible controls.

It may be more sophisticated, but people are proclaiming Natal as the next big thing, but it's all tech demos and "potential". Nothing concrete.

[Swiftfox]

I've noticed also that Natal is being followed with great interest by the hardcore fanbase (I don't think the casual know of Natal yet). I think it's because the concept is most appetizing, however I can't help see the irony that the Hardcore fanbase are openly embracing a product that is so obviously a casual peripheral.

I'm more curious to the actual application of Natal. I can see a few of it's capabilities being used in Hardcore settings, voice recognition being one of them. However, as far is hardcore implementations in games...I have no idea. Gamers cried "Lack of immersion" when the Sixaxis lost it's rumble, so I don't know how people will react to a system that gives you nothing but visual and auditory feedback.

[Kushan]

Hold on now, have you actually used Natal? Because as much as you're claiming it's "laggy", I have yet to see a journalist who HAS tried it claim such a thing.

I just did a google search for "Project Natal Lag" and "Project Natal Lag hands on" (To try and find articles from people who have actually tried it and not random forum posts/comments) and here's some of the results:

"There's no denying there's a bit of lag between your movements and those of your on-screen avatar. However, the discrepancy is so tiny that it never feels like the lag has cost you a hit. In any case, playing Ricochet is immediately instinctive and enormous fun."

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"My hands grasped around an imaginary wheel, I put my right foot forward and the car screeched away. Not actually holding anything in my hands the controls felt slightly unnatural, but amazingly lag was negligible (Microsoft claims a 66ms delay, which is the same as that introduced by a standard controller) and I was able to scream around Paradise City with no problems. Kudo even tried to make me crash by standing beside to me and pretending to drive - somehow Natal knew that it was my actions and not his that it had to monitor."

Source: http://www.highdefforum.com...

"While driving in Burnout Paradise, Project Natal seemed to offer lag-free controls that did what I expected, my swats and kicks seemed to miss the ball a lot more than it should. That may have been because it was a bit hard to get a handle on the perspective of the game while playing."

Source: http://kotaku.com/5278783/b...

So I say to you again, since you're so quick to ask ME for evidence, where is YOUR evidence of this "lag"? That seems to be one of the major complaints, yet everything I've seen from any reputable reviewer seems to indicate that although Natal may have some issues to overcome (I'm not denying that and never have), lag is not one of them.

As for nothing else being shown in real time, haven't you been keeping up? They've shown Beautiful Katamari and Galaga Legions using Natal controls (I don't really see the point myself, but there you go).

Now before you reply, note that I never once said that Natal was the "next best thing", I simply pointed out that comparing it to the Eyetoy was rediculous because the two technologies are VASTLY different. The eyetoy doesn't track individual movement, if you walk in front of someone using it, it'll get confused - Natal wont. Natal also works in the dark because its a Three-Dimentional IR camera, the eyetoy is little more than a webcam with a mic attached (with both running some fancy software in the background). You want me to prove it? Do you actually want me to dig up the technical articles talking about Natal, the IR sensor, etc.? Or would you be happy with a picture of the device that clearly shows TWO Camera lenses instead of just the PSEye's one?

You can debate "potential" all you want, I don't particularly care for that debate, but I'll happily debate the technical differences between the two because they prove that the people who put up things like the above article don't understand what makes Natal different to the PSEye and if they did, they may understand why developers are so interested in it.

Now what I don't understand is why there's plenty of articles comparing the PSEye to Natal, yet almost none comparing Sony Motion control to the Wiimote (with or without Wiimotion plus).

[Swiftfox]

It's ashame you don't wish to talk about the potential of the product, as those developers you speak so freely for are. There are important aspects of the technical side of it, though without potential nothing drives the creative process.

A paintbrush is a useless tool if the user doesn't understand the potential of what can be accomplished. As you get more and more skilled with it, you start to realize what more it can do in the hands of the right person. You know that the brush can paint, it was designed to paint, but it can do so much more than that.

[Cenobia]

I don't understand why you 'don't care' for the potential debate. That is the only thing I think people should be caring about. I have no doubt that the tech is better, but I have yet to see anything that really makes me excited for it.

Driving a car with an invisible wheel? Who is going to do that? Hitting dodgeballs in 3d? $100 says that comes free with Natal, because no one is gonna buy that sh!t.

It doesn't matter if I'm playing with a NES pad or a DS3 if the games I'm playing suck.

[ForROME]

Sorry brotha most of the time me and you are in the same idea on our comments on this one I think you have it wrong

Natal, PS Eye and Wii Remote and anythign the do camera wise if they do are all and one of the same technology

Difference? Market and how they push it to the masses

Its like head sets in a Xbox box, wii could do it SONY could do it, but MS packed it, shipped it, and the market community ideas to get them to get on, then they support it with apps

Samething MS is touting Natal with mass word of mouth, presentation and im sure marketing and packaging it with the system SONY could do the same but they dont, so it doesnt get penetration

[JustTheFactsMam]

You make some credible points. However your references to back them up aren't credible.

All those sites have been bashing Sony, PS3, PSP in a non-stop fashion while pretty much giving MS, 360, Zune a free pass for years now. It's pretty safe to say at this point they are getting major investments from MS OR from their principal shareholders that have billions in their own private investment firms.

You would be better served by using your own logic rather than MS shills as evidence. Sadly they just aren't credible sources.

I think Natal will be fine for some games just like Eye works for some and not others. However don't be surprised if they add a plethora of add-ons that have some buttons on them to supplement the xp. A wheel, a sword etc. They won't be required but will be pitched as enhancements.

[ApocalypseShadow]

is that microsoft is going out of their way to copy all of sony's ideas or are trying to implement sony's ideas before sony does it themselves.

they copied the eyetoy but failed with vision cam.they copied sony with hd-dvd and failed.they copied the controller layout.the dualshock may be an offshoot of nintendo's nes controller.but sony was the one that added dual analogs,dual motors for rumble and the style and confort we see today.if microsoft would have copied the n64 controller instead of sony's,then i wouldn't be saying it.

they copied usb support from ps2,copied media playback of cd and dvd for xbox and 360,they copied games like gran turismo with forza,they copied buzz with scene it...i could go on and on in the fact that microsoft's only original success was the power button on the controller.but xbl and what it does is just a copy of sony's idea for ps2
http://www.google.com/url?s...
sony didn't copy microsoft with the hard drive as ffxi came out first because sony wanted to sell downloads for ps2.it's why they made sure ps3 had a hard drive this time.

they are copying what they saw with eyepet when they saw it.and tried to one up sony with a human virtual character.and watch,they will have you draw things and make games out of it.but check out the video and listen.peter says the lighting is not that great.I THOUGHT NATAL COULD SEE IN THE DARK?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

watch,they will copy games from sony's eyetoy play series.and watch that air guitar get copied for guitar hero but they will make it look like they created it first.just like natals ball demo was created by 3dv and dr marks.

hopefully natal wont suffer from this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
and be more like this.or i will laugh my head off
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

but sony is ready.......
face
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
voice
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and a wand for real interaction that you can **FEEL**

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

What???

[Feral Gamer]

Someone's a basher. It's not as if Sony hasn't copied anything.

MS had a motion controller in the late 90s, more recently you can say Sony copied the wand from the Wii.

MS was the first to put a HDD in a console. They were the first to have a unified online gaming service on a home console.

Half your points are just stupid. USB support stolen from PS2? Well you can say Sony stole that from PCs. Media playback of cds and dvds? Well DVD drives do that! It's not magic, PCs have been doing it for years. MS created Forza as a copy of GT? Well GT wasn't the first racing game out there and companies produce games from a variety of genres, it's not as if only one company will produce a racing game. The EyeToy is nothing new, it's just a webcam which have been around for AGES!

I don't ever remember hearing Natal can work in the dark.

[ElementX]

Take your Sony goggles off. Sony is only in the gaming business because they copied the idea from other companies.

[dragonelite]

same could be said about sony.
Microsoft implement live sony need it too.
Microsoft has crossgame chat sony wants it too.
Microsoft makes natal sony gives eyetoy a rebirth.
microsoft had achievement sony makes trophy.

And natal is way more advance then eyetoy.
Eyetoy is just a color camera with no processor onboard.
Natal has a color and infrared camera with its own processors on board.
So natal wont take any resources from the 360 but eyetoy does.

But still only thing i can see those camera do on consoles is replace the mouse and simulate some kind of touchscreen for rts not interested in casual games.
natal is a more advance version of the playstation eye.

[ApocalypseShadow]

nothing 360 fans have shown or that microsoft has shown,is any different than the eyetoy or pseye.i just showed facial recognition and voice recognition with pseye from sony that will be in the SDK for all developers to use.

NO 3D camera required.

and no 360 fan has shown a video where natal doesn't lag.it lagged at E3,it lagged on jimmy fallon....it just lags.get over it.

and when they do show natal,it always a straightaway for burnout.and not driving fast at that.and a sucky ball hitting game that core gamers will IGNORE.how many of you will buy the ball hitting game?I THOUGH SO.

they show a painting program where you slop paint on a screen.not one core gamer will buy that game either.unless it is for a child.

sony showed 1:1 and it has rumble built in.but 360 fans ragged on sony for a lawsuit that kept rumble out of the ps3 controller.funded by none other than microsoft.but not only do you not have a controller,you don't even have rumble with natal.who's the hypocrites now?

http://www.google.com/url?s...

so microsoft sued immersion to get money they got from sony.after microsoft invested in immersion.

i could post many games from boxing,baseball,party games,music,etc,that eyetoy does that natal will do.it will only LOOK better,but be the same things sony came up with for ps2.

show us games and tech that will be any different than using your feet.second,in my post above,peter makes **EXCUSES** on the lighting.natal is supposed to SEE IN THE DARK.look at the video again. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

prove to us that natal is any different.and i can post any eyetoy game to match it.

[insomnium]

...

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

WHAT????

[Oner]

ElementX ~ "Take your Sony goggles off. Sony is only in the gaming business because they copied the idea from other companies"

Wrong. Nintendo tried to screw Sony with the PS1 and Sony turned around and came out with what they where left with. They didn't copy ANYTHING, they actually made it themselves

Source of Proof ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Many big developers have stated the excitement that NATAL will bring into the gaming arena including MGS's maestro Hideo Kojima and the legendary Peter Molyneux. The Eyetoy hasn't received any excitement or most importantly.... support. The only game I can think of that used the eyetoy was that craptacular Eye of Judgement.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Eyetoy = PS2

Eye = PS3

The Eye can do everything Natal does.

However, you're right. Support is a big issue.

There are plenty of downloadable titles that use the PlayStation Eye.

Also, LittleBigPlanet uses it for stickers, Burnout Paradise uses it for driver's licenses (Xbox Live Camera does it too), and Buzz uses it to take pictures of the winners in awkward poses. Lols.

Still...Sony needs to support it more.

[Asher6ix]

all we have seen for ourselves was the joke of a demo at E3 when the avatar had a seizure after trying to show the bottom of his shoe. other than that u guys are just letting ur hopes and dreams get u a little carried away. developers can say whatever they want but until i see a final product, im going to hold my judgement.

and by the way, i would bet my life that u have never played eye of judgement.

let me guess, ur always trolling because u have no games to play?

[yorkie]

Your right Eye of Judgement was pretty crap and so was Trials of Topoq and Creature Feature too, now have you any idea why ??? thats right because motion controls aint fun. Playing games without a controller in your hands isn't going to be enjoyable for more than about 20 minutes. Oh thats right devs talking up how much Natal will bring to gaming hmmm could the reason be that devs can produce games for a fraction of the cost of current top selling titles and sit back to reap the rewards, or is that just me being cynical ?

[Redempteur]

Hello M$ fan boy , suddenly forgetting eye pet ?

forgetting the use of the Pseye in little big planet ( superbe when you're creating custom levels ).
i'm sorry eye of jugement was so crap it got 3 expansions !! 3 !

Next time think a little more ...

EDIT : and again stop bashing eye of jugement if youhaven't played it ...
There is no motion controls in eye of jugement ... the eye ( camera ) recognise how the table 3*3 change and react according to the numerous rules the game have ..

When i see eye pet and all you can do with it ..i'm sad that i can see the bottom of the shoes of an avatar ... ( let 's face it there is no natal ONLY games for now )
i already have psEye games only ... and i'm quite proud of them

[lonix]

With natal

at least it will feel correct on the ps3
natal is doomed......
Soon Microsoft will lose dominance soon

then they will have to actually make an effort
and stop stealing other peoples ideas

[frailjackfave]

Both games look like Cosmic Smash for the Dreamcast...

[sixaxis]

say what you want but if u cant see similarities there then you must be...a real blind fanboy (only he/she can spin it!!)

i kinda loled watching this. Hands down, MS really knows how to market their products. Theres two options: ms keeps supporting this and hyping and they will succeed. or, why didnt sony hype it when they had an chance (think of that), did they knew that eventually ppl will get bored and lose interest?

[finbars75]

The fact that you xboxfanboys cant get over the fact the sony has always been ahead of the curve doesnt mean you have to get jealous and bash sony as usual.It still shows the 1-1 ratio and that project natal still has lag.Looks like MS cant come up with anything for themselves.Thats why Ms spends so much money to steal other devs. ideas because they have never known what to do fo themselves.Project natal isnt the future you will see.Its only going to be for casual gammers because without a controller then your stuck in one position but as sony showed us you need both to be for hardcore gammers and casual.But you will see MS will put out a controller and again show us why MS is the non thinker in this industry.

[madpuppy]

Microsoft have NEVER been innovators, even DOS was something that they purchased from someone else. It is well known that MS buys innovation, they see a market they want to get into and they go buy a major player in that market. rename it under the MS umbrella and call innovation.

From MS word to Bungie, not a single innovation on there own.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

SCEE A.K.A. - Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (Lead by Phil Harrison at the time of EyeToy) wanted to keep supporting the EyeToy.

SCEJ (Japan) refused to support it because they thought casual gaming wasn't going to catch on.

The EyeToy was much more successful in Europe than in America, Japan, or any of the other regions. Still...it wasn't the reception Phil and his team wanted. With more financial support from SCEJ, they could have pulled it off.

Oh well...

:(

[Tesselation 360]

Is it me or is it sony and its fanboys are desperatly tryin everything to make the xbox look really weak and pointless with all these lying articles comin up now days lol. Dream on dream on. Last night i was in a party chattin with friends and 1 of us is gonna get a ps3 but guess for what to play blu ray movies on it because it costs the same as a standard blu ray player now lol.

Edit: Might as well mention all the crap about the ps3. No party system ,useless controller layout, wifi is crap (i seen this myself), Charge controllers everyday, horrible dashboard and layout, only 1 good game to play. What else im sure im missing some more. Anyone continue the list?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Text chat like a PC in 1991
Still last
Sub par multiplatform games
Netflix needs a disc in the tray
Lost Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Tekken, GTA IV, DMC, SO, and RE5
One good month in NA since launch
Pink wii mote dildo clone
patches
forced installs
blu ray is slow
No L4D, Splinter Cell or Mass Effect
Oh... and it's still last

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

stop talking out ur ass man...i use the ps3 wifi and it works fine even when my wife is on her laptop im still at 90%...talk about wifi's when the 3fixme has one..anyone can make shyt up now-a-days

[iown-ipwn-ikill]

For the list
Text chat like a PC in 1991(so what?! whats wrong with text chat?)
Still last(ohh not numbers again, please, cry me a river....going by your estimates then, nintendogs sold millions more than halo so it must be much better ;D)
Sub par multiplatform games (This isnt 2007, yes some still look marginly worse but dont act like u can even tell a difference numbnuts. its the lazy developers fault, not the ps3 hardware.)
Netflix needs a disc in the tray ( yes which is free, and next year there will be a patched released so u dont require the disk...do your research numbnuts)
Lost Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Tekken, GTA IV, DMC, SO, and RE5
(yet u lost, bioshock, lost plannet, dead rising, the elderscrolls 4: oblivion and more!)
One good month in NA since launch( u know thats not true)
Pink wii mote dildo clone( silly overpriced eyetoy clone.. -__-)
patches( to constantly give users new features (:...thats a good thing..welldone...dope)
forced installs (again...)
blu ray is slow(blue ray is not slow.... please explain ur point)
No L4D, Splinter Cell or Mass Effect( i guess not but at least we have

uncharted 2
ratchet and clank a crack in time
gran turismo 5
demon souls
M.A.G
Heavy rain
God of war 3
Final fantasy 14 online
mod nation racers
Agent
The last gaurdian
and more!!!

besides i can just go play L4D, Splinter Cell or Mass Effect on my PC!

NOW STFU AND GTFO STUPID BOT

[Waldex_Encore]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Your Majesty...

I Present to you:

Tesselation 360
Jason 360
Wenis Wagon

THREE STUPID ANIMALS ON DAMAGE CONTROL

[RetroPietro]

you clearly havn't played a Playstation. the wifi is perfect, better than not having it, controllers last ages, mines usually last 1 week after a few hours of gameplay everyday, about 5 times the exclusives the Xbox has.
anyway great vid, nice to see project nipple isn't actually very inspiring, and Milo doesn't actually work btw

[chrisulloa]

LOL more like droids on damage control. Bu-bu-bu-but we got Uncharted 2.

Hahahaha, you guys have like 1 exclusive anyone gives a rat's ass about and you guys think you're on top of the world. We've got better exclusives and multiplats. Who cares if you can play some games on PC, hardly anyone has a good gaming PC. I don't have any friends with gaming PC's but like 10 friends with an Xbox.

[cliffyboy21]

well if ps3 is crap why are we taking all your exclusives and we have more exclusives. we took yalls ninja gaiden,lost planet,bioshock, theres rumors that were getting mass effect and that game sucks. when it comes to exclusives i don't even need to say nothing all yall have is gaylo odst and everybody was dissapointed in it, but that fact that we have bulit in wifi,free online,don't need 2-3 three disks for a game,rechargable controllers, web browser and now were getting netflix which i don't need. it's just a better system hands down what more can you say. and next month were getting cross party chat which i don't need either.

[Bob Dole]

lol, You guys and your stupid lists.

[cronaldo7]

NEW Microsoft Project Natal Tech Demo fail
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Marty8370]

LOL

By removing the controller bots are gonna look like pricks when playing games.

[gumgum99]

The only innovative things the Xbox brand brought to the table were the built in Hard Drive and the detachable cord which is no longer present on 360. Online gaming, DLC, web browsing, voice chat, and yes, even the camera peripheral, were all invented by Dreamcast(although the games never had a chance to use the Dreameye as it has been discontinued shortly after).

The 360 sorta innovated with the in game user interface, but some would consider that an "evolution" of online gaming.

So, technically, neither invented the concept of camera-based software, but Sony is credited in being the first to execute it at retail.

[madpuppy]

Comical interfaces. whereas the PS3 has a nice, clean professional interface. the Wii on the other hand is somewhere in the middle. the interface is nice and clean but there are areas that smack of "look at me! I'm a toy!!"

[itswar]

face recognition,vioce recognition sounds luckily for 360 fans Microsoft has realized the shift in gaming is moving AWAY from this arms race and onto making games More immersive while they have a 30 million consoles sold stronghold.
Also, the absolute hate coming from Sony fans since this was unvieled is just epic. why are you guys so threatened by this.
doesnt the PS3 have blu ray and the Awesome cell processor. if thats so then X-Box 360 and Natal should? be an afterthought Not even worthy of a PS3's owners time, because according to Sony logic PS3 will own all.
i own both a PS360 and im more hyped about Natal than any ' game ' that the other consoles announced at E3.good to me.ps3 has had better games this year,but thats only 1 year.

[Asher6ix]

and come back to it in a year. Natal is going to fail. it is not the future of gaming, i promise u that. it is MS last chance in the console war. they have lost money on their last two consoles. if Natal isn't received well by the consumer (which i honestly don't think it will be), then i believe it would be their last chance in this console war.

without a great lineup of games this next year i feel like MS is putting all their eggs in one basket to spark an interest in xbox360 again. whereas sonys motion controller is more of a wii on steroids that will be more of a cool option or add on.

[yorkie]

boy are in for a dissapointment.

[Tesselation 360]

HAHAHAHA @ibla ibla bla whatever...Text chat lol its there but not very next generation init its only a backup just in case party or private chat failes. Ow i forgot party system non existant on PS3. Still last and still there in last place and will for this generation. Multiplatform games 360 has like 90% better looking games fact. Netflix service its quite hilarious tyo have a disk in tray for it but anyway that will be overcomed next year. By that time 360 will outdo netflix with zune marketplace. This now gets really funny. We lost 4 games that where made this generation. PS3 lost rights to games that started and where made famous by sony devs. bioshock ( third party dev) Lost Planet (capcom ex sony dev) dead rising same again elder scrolls ( third party dev again ) u wont see the likes of epic games, turn 10, bungie do games for ps3. Now this where it get not only funny but hilarious. that list of ps3 exclusives only 2 of them are out and yet you make out the rest are gonna be incredible. haha the most overpromising games company in the world speaks. God help you no of them get delayed or cancelled again plus we all know 360 will have games as good by the time you get to play them. I even believe 360 will set new generation standards with halo reach like it did with gears of war.

Go play 360 exclusives on your pc and enjoy microsoft windows 7 while at it too.

[DaChinPin]

Actually your post is full of egotistical blabering that only a fanboy would agree to. The fact is that there are only a few things separating the PS3 from being as good as 360, and THAT is still up to each person. The 360 has a party system, and in-game chat. That is it. The PS3 has acught up to the whole "market" thing with the PS Store and Netflix coming along with a temporary fixn then later on to its permanent implementation. I swore I would not take part in fanboy wars, but it's gotten to the point where people are so fuc*ing stupid that it makes me angry to see a bunch of posts by the same person with no clue about what he's talking about and is talking out of her or his own a**. Now that rant done with, I think on a pro against con level, the PS3 takes the cake with the vast amount of features in it. The 360 had its time to shine, it did ok, and now the PS3 is taking a stand against ending in 3rd place this generation. Accept it, move on, and learn to enjoy the games on your own platform.

Thank you.

[WildArmed]

@6.1
Oh sanity, how I has missed it.

Listening to so many fanboys cry gets to your head =/

I usually roam in the ps3 news section n see too many idiotic 360 fanboys pissing their pants news after news.

I see the same thing in the 360 section, but I usually only go to 1 article every few days.. considering no real news has come out for 360 yet.

[ps360master]

what ever helps you guys sleep at night.

[unknowngamer12]

3dv is the one that made this demo to show off there zcam. it repeatedly said zcam in the demo. the 3dv representative keeps stating ZCam and that they want to push this product out to the latest consoles. now lets look at 3dv systems their company was designing a new technology so you could use it on the computer and console. Now that we know its not an eyetoy. I can tell you that 3dv systems is now owned by Microsoft.

[whoknowswhat]

Well, no, Natal is not an eye toy, and do not forget the eye toy was a rip off of Dream Eye for Dreamcast.
Other than that, the technology in Natal is far superior. Voice recognition, infrared, stereo optics, aperture algorithms, and face recognition….. Simple gesture recognition and motion controllers are for kids.

[Rowsdower]

is all sticky.

if they dont use the same exact tech then they are not the same, if one's tech is better than the other then they are not the same.

just like the 360 and the ps3 are not the same even though both play games.

[madpuppy]

The Evil Satoris may strike while you are posting comments on a gaming site. I hope you hid "the idol" well...

[Satoris]

YOU WILL SUBMIT TO ME! BRING ME THE CHILD AND THE MAP!!! i WILL WELCOME YOU BACK INTO THE FOLD AND YOU CAN RULE THIS WORLD WITH ME!!!!

[Rowsdower]

oh sh*t, the battle for canada is on.

[darkequitus]

LOl at the title. Eye Toy? When the demo was using 3DV's Zcam. Nice one Wargamer did you actually listen to what the guys was saying? I guess not. Since when is the Zcam is an Eye toy? Enough said. So how did they steel tech they own and Sony chose not to buy? Yes you are on the fanboy sh*t. If you are going to state facts make sure it is.

http://www.3dvsystems.com/t...

Edit: @ Below. I did not know PSeye has a IR depth sensor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Learn csomething new every day /s

[Shendow]

Its nice to see some 360 fanboys saying Sony stole the idea from them, how can Sony steel something from a game company that wasn't around? Oh no one ever thinks of that.

Sony and Mircosoft work together, but the game companys don't, Natal is the PSEye and its cute to see 360 fanboys so full of themself an call PSEye EyeToy. When if you had half a brain, you would know they aren't the same and PSEye is a big step from EyeToy.

Oh theirs alot of games that Sony has made for the PSEye, Eye Of Judgment, EyePet and some games on the PSN. An that is to name some of the games, keep in mind the PSEye isn't just use for games but use for video chat and the 360 cam wasn't build to do that, until Natal.

[teto83]

rip off.

[Dzpool]

Project Natal is reportedly based on software technology developed internally by Microsoft and hardware intellectual property acquired from time-of-flight camera developer 3DV Systems. Before agreeing to sell all its assets in March 2009, 3DV had been preparing its own depth-sensing webcam controller, known as the ZCam.

Just a hypothetical possibility but it could be the same developer worked on both projects. A developer that worked for Sony then left and either went to work for 3DV or Microsoft.

[cliffyboy21]

ok your facts are wrong! well for one for one sony let those exclusives go for other reasons. second while MS was paying to get those games on their console sony was taking 360's exclusives without paying nothing like ninja gaiden,laost planet,bioshock, their rumors of mass effect coming to ps3. second we don't need forced installs no more like the 360 will be doing eventually with thier 2 to 3 disks where youll have to install the other disks which sucks for yall, and are blu-ray is not slow when your running it on a HD tv compared to a loud a** cd drive and hot 360 console that always rr on you. and all the games MS got from us they paid to get,sony didn't.

[DelbertGrady]

Yeah. It must be the same. I trust Hiphopgamers obese nephew on this one.

And hey, Sonys motion controller is exactly like the Wii.

[Bigpappy]

This demo that was shown is not possible on the Sony cameras without the wang or other device for the camera to reference. If you look at 3DV footage, you will see Natal. That is the same tech and looks like what this guy is trying to pass off as I toy. You should also notice that natal is a lot fasted than that early 3DV tech. If Sony had this tech they would be using it to offset the attention Natal is getting. Sony fanboys are copying US Right Wing talk shows. If the doesn't spin stuff the way they want, they are bias against Sony. Why on earth would the entire media be bias against Sony. They are plenty of Sony centric media out there. The lead editor at Gamepro is an avid PS3 fan. He tries not to make that obvious (which I respect). Even Play Station only site don't report this bogus notion you guys keep pushing. PStoy should get credit for trying this first, but it is not the same thing.

[Muerte2494]

2010 PS3 w/ motion control = Wii HD

[finbars75]

Okay nice input.Wrong room the babys room is on the other page if you need your diaper changed and a kleenex to go woith it.

[Rowsdower]

this is site is not full of real "gamers" but paid shills who come on here to bash each other. This is my crusade, look into it people the real scam here is the fact that most of the people posting dont even game, in fact they actually hate gaming, that is why thier poison is so effective. You have been warned, those people disagreeing for no reason, arguing with no logic, and making false claims with impunity are here to destroy gaming.

[Dampsack]

not only that but the majority are just foolish annoying children

[ForROME]

Like all things, Natal will have mass marketing and they will go out and pull support and give took kits,

PS eye like all things with SONY they dont get behind it enough push it and support poeple with it

Its like LIVE, if you want it to work, get it to the masses and push it with mass marketing and advertisement

Simple enough

[JonnyBigBoss]

Yep, I noticed this when Natal was demoed.

[Tewi-Inaba]

Voice Recognition software? D:
Thats like 10x more intresting than the motion thing.

[Guitardr85]

Regardless...MOTION CONTROLS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ninjamonkey]

I remember the entire internet being a live with this video STRAIGHT AFTER E3 with this video XD

Gamespot, IGN, 1up, EVERYWHERE had news on this.

So why has this made it onto N4G? I know that some news gets here later but god this video is years old NATAL was announced AGES ago XD

Its like the author was living under a rock... XD

Brilliant... Theres nothing even to say on this subject since all forums said everything which could have been said about this three times over within a wekk of E3, you might as well just search an old thread instead of me writing a response XD

[NamelessTed]

It is probably too late to comment at this point to have anybody read this but I feel the need to comment anyways.

Yes, the EyeToy can do a lot of stuff that Microsoft showed Natal capable of at E3. The dodgeball game is an extremely basic demo of what Natal can do but the EyeToy could never do something like Milo.

This is just an evolution of a controller. People didn't criticize the analog stick when that started being put on controllers by saying, "look, the d-pad did this 5 years ago, analog sticks are stupid". Yes, the stick does do things that the d-pad already did but it ADDED to what was already there.

Similarly, Natal is going to be adding to what devices like the EyeToy could already do. It is using a stereoscopic camera meaning that it has two cameras instead of just one like the EyeToy which enables it to see 3D space with much higher precision; similar to how our own eyes work. It also sees in both our visible light spectrum as well as infrared so it would be able to determine the difference between an actual person and a cutout of a person.

I am not saying that Natal is going to be something great for playing games, I don't think that at all. In fact, I think it will fail as a game playing device. I do, however, think it will laydown groundwork for a new way of interacting with media devices within the home and will be a great way to control PCs, TVs, and the Xbox dashboard without the use of a physical controller.

I know this is the internet, but I just really wish people would think for two seconds before they start posting videos as thoughtless and shallow as this one.

[Ps_alm3k]

the founder of microsoft did the same thing with software and perfected as his own.....
Thats the company model, they don't invent, they reinvent!!! or copy and make perfect.
Now you can say that sony do the same, but!....they have proven already to create, bend, take risk on project. some went mainstream and some are still in progress. Google it sir.......

[maniacf40]

and then put it away in about a week. microshaft wont care cause they already got the sale.

[yorkie]

If controller free gaming is the future then I think I'll stick in the past thank you very much. Hope you peeps enjoy what will be nothing more than a short lived fad before gaming carries on with innovations that actually enhance the gaming experience. I have yet to hear one suggestion to make me think that something like Natal would make my gaming experience better, the way Natal will probally be used most is in a game using a standard controller but with Natal 'controlled' elements along the way. Now if I'm in my comfy gaming chair shooting seven bells out of any one in range I dont really wanting to start tapping my feet, waving my arms or standing up and twatting about and if the games are using a standard controller then why the hell bother with motion elements.

[LesterCorncrake]

is natal going to be released on the 360 ?? it does look gimmicky an shtt

[spektical]

lol old news, natal is an eyetoy lol. nothing new here.
bots are getting really nervous about sony's domination. xD.
Ps3 has sold the 360 in its lifetime (check)
better exclusives (check)
free online service (check)
web browser (check)
free wifi (check)
blue ray > HD DVD (CHECK)
best media console (check)

in all the 360 only has ... um halo and um gears of war OO AND sales numbers which lead to quality by their standards.. but as many pointed out , then that means Wii Fit is the greatest of all times... silly bots

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Whats new ? I Love America but when it comes to techs you know were always 5 years behind the japanese .

[exnihilonihilfit]

Enough with this BS about who ripped off who, it's a good thing that there is increasing parity between videogame platforms at least in terms of their peripherals, because that means that cross platform developers will make use of all of the tools that the systems have to offer. The reason why eyetoy and PSeye never got any support was because for some reason Sony didn't develop enough first party games for them(not really a bad decision), and 3rd parties weren't going to bother because the other systems didn't have camera's of the same quality, so the developers built to the lowest common denominator (also, the eye & eyetoy never had great market penetration). Natal will change that, as developers will start making camera based motion control options for both systems, and PSEye will see an increase in sales because of the new peripheral, new support, and the desire of PS3 fans to have something that Xbox fans now have too. The real truth is, they're both probably not going to be that great, and Natal will be better for casuals while PSWand (i'm just going to call it that for now) + PSEye will be better for hardcore. Still, all hardcore games coming out are going to continue to provide the option to use classic controller schemes, and the casual games that come out for natal are going to be dumb since if I wanted to run, jump, hit and throw things by actually moving my body then I'd go outside.

By next gen, Sony will have added an IR camera to the PSeye set up and it will be just like Natal, and MS will create a wand type controller, and Nintendo will do the same thing as the other two by integrating camera technology. Interfaces are just a cheap gimmick by any gaming company, what matters in gaming is raw system power and developer support. The whole online thing was bound to be set up by Sony and Nintendo with all the features of Live made available in due time, which is clearly happening (look at the Netflix thing, that makes me so happy.) Eventually MS and Nintendo will support Bluray. All three systems will do fine, and this is all good because the VG market needs to have at least 3 major platforms plus PC (which is unique in that PCs have a whole host of uses far above and beyond entertainment). Very soon we'll see the market changed, next gen will be the rise of not the VG console, but the true Entertainment Console (that's right, you heard it here first). Entertainment consoles will all provide a slew of entertainment services, including improved video and audio output plus new video and audio inputs and all manner of internet functionality. The three consoles will continue to distinguish themselves based on their pricing and additional perks, but as far as the gamer is concerned, they will all be within a pretty close range of one another as far as power and capacity are concerned (nintendo possibly continuing to opt for a more casual market with a lower priced, lower powered machine than the other two, really just due to the size and resources of their company). That being said, I think once this gen is over, which I shall call the "console war generation" or just the the console war, the market will probably stabilize and each company will have cut out a portion of it corresponding to three key demographics largely distinguished by age, region, socioeconomic status, and to a lesser extent by loyalties, level of interest in the gaming industry, and particular tastes in types of games.

Where's Pachter at, I'm sure he'll back me on this?

BTW, any industry guys who think my ideas are worth two shakes, hit me up, I need a job, and I'd love to make it in gaming. Maybe you can give me some suggestions on how to start a legitimate gaming blog. (best way to reach me, my PSN ID, it's the same as my log in).

[Dampsack]

I'd argue that loyalties play much more of a major role in console purchases, than the other reasons you've stated.

[Dampsack]

Man these PeeS3 fanboys just couldn't think for themselves even if their very lives depended on it. Jump all over anything without any kind of rational thought, and slam anything that isnt their God (sony). LISTEN and COMPREHEND your future depends on it. Which makes me worry that if YOU are our future, we're royally fvcked. Such misguided ignorance from these "ME TOO" fanboy idiots.

Typical sony fanboy logic: "well sony had a camera too and they were FIRST....MS is just ripping them off...screw you MS you big evil greedy company, you cant come up with your own stuff and you just want to make money and you don't care about your gamers like my Sony does. And anyone who says something good about stupid MS or mean about sony is biased and stupid. Play beyond!!! yeah!!...way to go!!! Take THAT MS"......mom?....MOM!?!.. .I want another pudding snack!

Here's another word for you children: TECH-NOL-O-GY. Now you try saying it. Ready?...TECH-NOL-O-GY. Yay! Good work!

I'll try to keep it very simple. You see, TECH-NOL-O-GY changes and improves over time, which means that in most cases things can be done or made DIFFERENTLY and BETTER too. You see?...No? Hmmm well I cant make it any easier for you to understand...No wait...how about this...when juice boxes were brought to market, sometimes they just had too much juice in them for your little tummy, so TECH-NOL-O-GY made the boxes smaller and they were called junior juice, made for kids just like you. See? Hooray! You are so clever!

[yorkie]

some people have enough rational thought to realise that Natal wont actually improve gaming, thats right people who think for themselves rather than think what their made to think. Just to let you know technological advancements dont always achieve improvements in enjoyment, now you try saying it EN-JOY-MENT remember that, it's what we play video games for. Just to humour you a little and go along with your juicer analogy, the smaller boxes 'junior juice' didn't actually enhance the juice itself just gave you less in a different box, do you see there was no actual advancement, you didn't get any more enjoyment from the juice, infact you got less enjoyment because the juice (fun) ran out quicker.

[corneliuscrust]

You wonder why this site is sinking lower and lower?

This stuff gets out of hand

THAT IS THE 3Dv CAMERA!!!!! MAN ALIVE you guys jump all over everything trying to bash ms

[JC_Denton]

It's stuff like this that shows us the main difference between sony fanboys and xbots. Xbots willingly make up stuff that makes them seem better than the competition. Back when the Eye Toy came out in I think it was 03 people were going crazy. They were calling it a revolution and the next step in interactive gameplay (seem familiar anyone?). About 6 years later it is E3 09 and everyone has forgotten about the Eye Toy (well, that actually happened about a year after it came out) and Microsoft comes riding in on project natal and everyone goes crazy. Even most sceptical people who saw past the whole "xxOMG REVOLUTIONxx" crap were shown multiple celebrities and game makers who would say that they've never seen anything like what project natal is capable of. Seriously, we've seen natal before. If PS3 is copying Wii then Xbox is copying PS2. I mean, at the PS3's Playstation eye already has everything that natal has but the fact that they're basically taking Nintendo's original concept and perfecting it, all while combining it with the Playstation Eye makes Sony, in my opinion, a step ahead of the competition in terms of "revolutionizing" the way we play games.

[Rhezin]

i'm finding it hard to believe you have ANY friends let alone 10. Your a pathetic moron. STFU already.

[Cueil]

Project Natal has all the same functions as the PSEye, but it also can 42 points of depth and has it's own processor to offload the data from the Xbox 360.

[griff2]

"The only innovative things the X-box brand brought to the table were the built in Hard Drive"

You could actually fit a hard drive to the original (non-slim)PS2 - the connection came via the network adapter at the back of the consol. So although the X-box came fitted with a hard drive, the PS2 was hard drive enabled.

[Dellis]

The people behind the tech shown= MS BOUGHT THEM

remember that?

[Bonyi]

Natal will be ignored

Holding thin air is not a pleasure, while it should simulate holding swords, steering wheels, etc..

I think Sony will this war too...

[Unbornkirkster19]

I have a strong feeling natal is gonna flop. If you have ever used eyetoy you may know from experience its fun for like a half hour then you just go back to play with a controller. Sony knows by experince that people perfer physical means for playing games. The only inovation i see in Natal is that i would be able to pause and paly a movie by saying it,(which would be cool imo)and cause it s annoying to turn your controller on and off. But thats basically all the worth i see in Natal.

[Saaking]

MS is so full of fail.

[iOmegaSeriousi]

there is a company that sell those technologies to the video games company so eye toy tech was made from the same people that made natal so you just talking sh*t without know anything.

don't think i am a fanboy cuz i luv ps3, wii and 360 but u don't know what u talking about.

[bjornbear]

Wadda ya know? Not surprised...any one with the minimal amount of tech knowledge KNOWS Natal isn't that revolutionary, just well marketed.

[Cueil]

This is a demo of 3DV's time of flight technology... a company that Microsoft now owns... Sony didn't use it and never has used it in any of their console cams

[Ripyealip]

just remember Microsoft, as much as you may TRY to be the best Sony will always be thier to knock you back down. when ever you feel that you took a step into the next gen Sony will always be one step ahead.

xbox360: jump into hell!

[feejo]

Is there a policy telling we can't post link from youtube. I got some stuff posted and denied because of that.

[NateNater]

Sony was "Swagger Jagged" lol

Damn you M$ and all of your swagger jagging!

[XiaoSet]

Stopped watching as soon as he greeted himself with that ghetto slang.

[Justin_bristoe]

sony wins again.

[sleewok]

Yeah, I guess no controller will be better -- just like having imaginary friends is better than real friends.

I also have a feeling that Natal is going to lead to cars without steering wheels. LOL...yeah right...

Tactile feedback is essential. That has been one of the major issues with VR. How do you interact with objects in space when you have no physical feedback? It's not easy, doesn't feel real, and I can't even imagine trying without a controller.

Natal is for people that don't want to take the time to "learn" how to use a controller. Just get in front of the camera and move.

I see this being big for sports games, etc. As for "hardcore"...meh.

Another thought...look at all the BIG games of the year. The games that have raised the bar for future games. Games like, MGS4, Uncharted 2, GoW, etc. Now imagine playing them without a controller? How? There's no friggin' way. Name one Wii game that has redefined the way we play games, or the expectations we have for future games? Mario Galaxy? Metroid? Hah.

[Raimond]

This is why I don't see why Natal is interesting at all!

[sid4gamerfreak]

Stop this fanboyism at once. Ur making fools of urselves. Every Post I see in N4g most Ps3 and 360 assholes need to comment on which console is better. Well, guess what? PC Gaming is the best there is. It defeats every console in the market including Ps3 and the 360 So why dont u all shut the f&*! up and enjoy games on ur own platforms. And Stop being so against Microsoft or Sony. If u fanboys have done reaserch which ive bet u havent cause ur so full of s&*@, why dont u read this article on which console is better..

http://www.hardcoreware.net...

If uve read the article u know that game developers, not f&*$ed fanboys state that the Ps3 does not have more graphic power than the 360. The fact is, XBOX 360’s Xenos GPU itself has far more computing power than the RSX GPU
that resides in the PS3. Does this mean the 360 has “better graphics”? I don’t know, that is a subjective matter, beyond the scope of this objective
comparison, and entirely up to you to decide. If you like what you see
on the PS3, then to you, it has “better graphics”. If you like what you see on
the 360, then there you go
Just to remind u Pc has the the superior grahpics and games so all u console fanboys shut the hell up and make way for superior pc gaming

[sid4gamerfreak]

If u fanboys have done research which ive bet u haven't cause ur so full of s&*@, why don't u read this article on which console is better..

http://www.hardcoreware.net...

Project Natal is Microsofts Project. Its not Sony's Eyetoy. Microsoft is trying, give them the credit for doing so.

Stop Being so against Microsoft. I'm not saying I'm a Microsoft fanboy, but u Ps3 guys need to lay off. Many inventions are invented based off from one idea, so whats wrong with Microsoft doing the same?

ApocalyPS3- Completely agree with u