Consumers Will Choose The PS3 Slim Over The Xbox 360

Normally, I'm not one to make bold statements in the headlines of my articles; as nothing is 100% and much of what I say is often subjective, I'd rather pose a question. In other words, I'd normally title this article, "Will Consumers Consider the PS3 Slim a Better Option than the Xbox 360?" or something to that effect. But the more I look at it, the more difficult it is for me to believe that a rational, logical, unbiased consumer will come to any other conclusion.

[The-Warranty]

Yeah its showing right now.

Retailers are forced to limit pre-orders like its a damn Nintendo Wii launch. Things are looking good for Sony.

[gamesR4fun]

straight up good right here the only thing he missed was wireless six axes controller in every box XD

id bet a good chunk of change that now and moving forward the ps3 will b leading the sales chart over the 360...

[FlatulentGhost]

"dude hits it on the head"

He's right that the PS3 is going to be have crazy sales now at 300 dollars and eventually 200, but he is asking a bad question.

It is a question that assumes something that is a fallacy: That there is some monolithic group called 'consumers' who are making a choice between two similar products.

That is manifestly inane.

Some 105 million gamers bought the first Playstation. Then the Dreamcast came out and completely failed to attract those gamers.

Some 140 million gamers bought the PS2. The Xbox came out shortly after the launch of PS2 yet did nothing to sway those 105 million former Playstation owners to buy an Xbox over a PS2. And Sony attracted 35 million more new gamers to the PS2 compared to the previous gen.

The first Xbox sold about 24-25 million over 3 1/2 years. The current Xbox has sold about 30 million over 4 years.

Those 140 million PS2 owners arem't any more interested in the Xbox 360 this gen than they were with the Xbox last gen.

[RememberThe357]

The concept of a consumer is not "manifestly insane" either. If it were the entire field of economics would have collapsed many years ago. There may be a group of people who do not shop around, but the large majority of people use coast-benefit analysis rather well. Even though these coasts and benefits are largely objective they can be generalized, and subsequently patterned and analyzed.

The only problem with the question is that it cannot be answered now, only argued.

[soxfan2005]

People who want to play Forza, Halo, Gears of War, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Project Gotham Racing, Splinter Cell, Natal, etc. will choose 360.

People who want to play Killzone 2, Infamous, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, God of War, etc. will choose PS3.

Seems pretty easy to me. Neither console has a monopoly on great exclusives, and each has enough current and upcoming exclusives to insure their survival for many years to come.

@1.2 - good attempt to understate the 360's sales. Actually, Xbox 1 sold 24-25 milion in 4 years. 360 has sold over 31 million in 3 1/2 years. And, it keeps increasing year over year. While PS3's sales slowed in recent months, probably in anticipation of a price cut, 360's sales did not slow. People continued to buy 360's even with the knowledge of an impending PS3 price cut.

5-6 million more people have already chosen Xbox this generation than last. What console did those people own last generation? Gamecube? Not likely, since most Gamecube owners would have upgraded to Wii. And, speaking of Wii, what console did the 30 million additional people who bought Wii this generation own last generation? The pool of PS2 owners waiting to upgrade is not as big as you think.

EDIT - the Xbox 1 may have stopped production after 3 1/2 years, but it was still available at retail until well into 2006. There is a gap of months between the time a console is produced in China (or wherever) and the time it ends up on a store shelf. You are also forgetting that the Xbox 1 was virtually dead after 3 1/2 years, save those last consoles, while 360 is at its strongest at the 3 1/2 year point.

[FlatulentGhost]

Wrong.

The first Xbox went on sale in Nov. 2002. Went out of production in the middle of 2005. 3 1/2 years it was on the market. Fanboy sites like vgchartz have graphs that falsely extend the sales life of the first Xbox to try to make the current Xbox's sales look better in comparison.

Even going with middle of the road estimates of the number of duplicate Xbox 360s that have been sold due to the RRoD hardware failures puts the current Xbox 360 selling at a slower rate compared to the first.

Even the breakdown of regions is virtually identical between the first Xbox and the Xbox 360. Dead in Japan. Pretty much dead across Europe except for the UK. Majority of sales coming from the US.

The same people who bought Xbox consoles last gen are buying Xbox 360s this gen.

The same people didn't want an Xbox last gen are continuing to not want an Xbox this gen.

There were some 20 million or so PS2s sold when the Xbox launched. Since that time Sony has sold some 120 million more while having the option of buying an Xbox instead.

They didn't

The same is happening this gen.

[swiftshot93]

I'll have to disagree with you soxfan. I think the Wii brought in an entire new market, a lot of them were casual PS2 owners, yes, but I dont think it would be fair to assume the majority of them to be. There are a lot of PS2 consumers, even hardcore I think, yet to upgrade.

[MerkinMax]

This should appeal not only to new PS3 owners but current PS3 owners. I myself am purchasing one even though I already own a 80GB for two reasons.
1. Sony deserves every dime they make from the PS3 Slim because to me it's a marvel that they revised it so much from the current models.

2. Nothing wrong with having a backup :)

I truly can't wait to see this baby in person. It's Sony's turn again so be ready people. The storm is coming...

[meepmoopmeep]

does this mean you will buy a PS3 to finally ENJOY gaming, Odion :P

yeah man, if you can afford all the consoles do it. gaming is about fun
there are great games on each system.

y'all are the ones missing out.

[soxfan2005]

The delusional people are the ones who think history is going to repeat itself this generation. At the 2 1/2 year point of PS1, it was in 1st place, destroying the competition. At the 2 1/2 year point of PS2, it was in 1st place, destroying the competetion. At the 2 1/2 year point of PS3, it is in 3rd place. Even if you, porcelain god, believe that the 360 and PS3 are roughly even, is that really a victory for Sony - to tie a competitor that it crushed by a 6:1 margin last generation, and to be 30 million behind another competitor that it crushed?

This generation is completely different from last. The Xbox was dead at this point last generation. The 360 is selling 250,000+ per month at the same point this generation.

EDIT - In other news, Xbox360extreme reports that consumers will choose Xbox 360 over PS3 slim.

[jwatt]

I was just thinking this when I was looking at the top one hundred at amazon. Why would you buy a 360 for $299.99 when you can get a ps3 for the same price, bigger harddrive, Blu Ray and free online. The next option would be the arcade sku with no harddrive which I think is going to save MS because it's really cheap but I think if your looking for a harddrive in your console the ps3 is with out a doubt the way to go.

[jib]

"The same people who bought Xbox consoles last gen are buying Xbox 360s this gen.

The same people didn't want an Xbox last gen are continuing to not want an Xbox this gen. "

where exactly do you people get your facts from?

[ThanatosDMC]

That 13 million unit prediction just became tangible... heck, maybe more units are needed.

[FlatulentGhost]

"where exactly do you people get your facts from?"

The fact that the 360 has sold virtually identical numbers of console over a similar period of time as the first Xbox when you add in the massive numbers of replacement consoles bought in hope of finally getting a 360 that doesn't break.

The fact that the sales pattern across the three major console regions, Japan, US, Europe, is almost identical.

But, hey!, it could be one massive coincidence.

[00]

so you have this data than? or are you just bullsh!ting.

[ps3d0]

Oh look another article write by a sony site about how the ps3 slim will be the 2nd coming. Didnt they all say this about MGS4 , oh but LBP is real 2nd coming o no I meant to say KZ2 is. None of those games saved the ps3 and the ps3 slim isnt goin to do it either.

Joe blow doesnt care about all the tech crap in the system he buys. He doesnt know what a cell processor is, he doesnt know what 1080p means. He wants to play his favorite games like rock band, GTA, CoD, Madden. He going to see the game on all 3 systems and he'll buy the cheapest system there is. Thats still the 360 at 199.

There are a few gamers out there that will run out and buy a silm. Gamers that thought the ps3 was too expensive before and have been waiting for a price drop. I however think that sony screwed this up and shot their lil load to soon. Halo 3 comes out in sept and thats sure to take away some of the slims hype. Also I dont think the slaes spike will last more 2 months aka sept and oct. The months they needed to win are nov, dec and jan.

[Rigmaster]

The question is obviously the wrong question.

The 360's fate is sealed. It's going to end up eeking out a slightly larger installed base simply due to the fact that it hasn't been pulled from the market yet like the first Xbox.

The real questions are:

How many of those 140 million PS2 owners have bought Wiis?

How many are now done with the Wii and have upgraded to an HD TV and are ready for a PS3 now that they can afford one?

How are consumers going to react to the PS3 being only 50 dollars more than the Wii?

How will Nintendo react? Finally time for a price cut down to 200 dollars for the Wii?

The battle is between the PS3 and the Wii. The 360 is an irrelevant sideshow.

[Immortal Kaim]

Thanks for the info PSXextreme, another great article...

Yes, I'm certainly joking.

[Blaze929]

psxextreme.com

[god_o_war]

@ps3d0

no one cant expect a single game to to push the hardware sales all the way up to 1st place but instead look at the spurt in hardware sales that those games have made (maybe not so much KZ2).

[jetlian]

in 4 years! production may have stopped at 3.5 years but it was 4 years after the system was out.took 360 3 years to hit 25 million.

[Shepherd 214]

An "unbiased consumer" sounds like a smart one. A smart consumer will choose the console that has the games he likes the most. If a consumer decides he loves the Halo games and wants to see the conclusion of the epic trilogy with Halo 3, play and have hours of fun with the sequel to Fable, and check out the Gears of War game that people keep talking about, he will buy a 360.

If he thinks that the 360's constant hardware failure is a liability to his wallet, and he feels like playing a highly cinematic game like MGS4 or an adventure game like Uncharted, he will go for the new PS3 Slim with its new price drop.

It really is what you feel like playing. Im aware of the 360's problems, ive already had to get a second 360 because of it, but i love Halo so damn much that im willing to deal with problems to play Halo and Gears with my friends. I really dont argue this much because other that arguing the difference between exlusives, i cant back the 360's hardware. They just f-ed up real hard this gen with reliability.

[Ravage27]

wow, bubbles for being honest and unbiased. Wish all the 360 fanboys were as level-headed as you are.

While i certainly don't think the 360 will become irrelevant anytime soon, Sony is definitely going to enjoy very strong sales for the next few months especially with the impending arrivals of UC2,FF13(Jap),GOW3 and of course GT5.

As much as i hate M$'s dirty tactics (exclusive DLCs,timed-exclusives, etc), both Sony and M$ must stay in business for the benefit of us gamers. Competition is always good

[starvinbull]

The single most important thing was left out of this article.

More important than price, reliability and exclusives.

Friends.

If you have a dozen friends on Live and none on PSN what's the point buying into the PS3.

Just pointing it out.

[FamilyGuy]

What's so hard about making new friends on your new system? You did it when the 360 first arrived.

It's simple really, you play a game you like online, you come across people that like you for any number of reason, you get a "request to add friend"

It happens ALL the time. No biggie so I would have left that out too.

The main thing is, the PS3 has EXCLUSIVES, real exclusives and lots of them that you don't/won't/can't play on ANY other system. This alone sees the PS3, at $299, out selling the 360 since a lot of 360 only owners will now get the PS3 as well. It's not a hard prediction to make and it will prove itself every month from now until M$ does something drastic about it.

[Guido]

Blu-Ray
WiFi
Standard 2.5 HDD
Free Online
Rechargeable Controller
Sexy Box

This is just the tip if the iceberg. The PS3 is just the better deal!

[creeping judas]

Flatulent Ghost, you've been on N4G for 12 hours and you have 7 bubbles?? And you argue like Nasim?? HMMMMMMMMM

[DaTruth]

This is not such a difficult concept; Given that all consoles are in nearly the same price range, consumers(mostly uneducated about gaming) will not know jack about exclusives. They will however do three possible things:

1. They will read both boxes to find out which one has better features.

2. They will choose on brand recognition alone.

3. Join the hype train(We saw this in action with Nintendo's Wii).

And in all of these possibilities, PS3 has the edge. The ball is now in Microsoft's court to make the next move that will draw consumers towards them. With no good gimmicks(Natal) until this time next year, I can't imagine what it would be, but I wouldn't count them out yet!

[leyego]

what ever happend to the games.

everything i read now a days is about the consoles themselves.
MS get off ur lazy a$$ and make a psychonauts 2.

capcom get off your lazy a$$ and make suikoden 6 already.

SE get off ur lazy a$$ and made a KH3 for gods sake.

thats y this console war makes no sense.

[Raptors]

I normally refrain from agreeing with a publication that has the same name of a game system but its hard to for me this time. I admittingly prefer my 360 over my ps3 (kingkongjay is both my psn and live ID's) as the majority of my friends have 360's and I prefer Live over PSN. However, like the editor said, I can't see a rational person look at both the Elite (Now pro I guess) and a slim ps3 and choose the 360.
Blu Ray>DVD, Free online > $50 a year (Maybe not much to us but we are in a recession still), Wifi > $100 adaptor, ps3's reliability > 360's reliability (Im on my 3rd 360, all RROD and second ps3, fan noise on the first was excessive).
Sony is in a real good position with the price of the ps3 and if MS doesn't change the price they will make up alot of ground in the console race.
Come to think of it, I dont even see how MS and Nintendo can justify charging that much for their systems when the PS3 offers so much....

[Jinxstar]

Truth is we dont need to argue it much. Just wait for Sales data.

[Guitardr85]

Then by your logic the Wii should be in second place. Epic Fail!!! All three consoles are in the sweet spot right now for consumers. Trying to say that the 360 will still sway people because its the same price never really works; especially since you are trying to say that the average consumer doesn't have a brain. Give people more credit. I hate to break it to you, but you are an average consumer and guess what...you're informed! Don't pretend to be some god like merchant whore that knows leaps and bounds above everyone else.

Get a clue!!!

[randomwiz]

The tides have turned. Normally, without any games coming out, people chose 360 over ps3. Then when games like MGS4 came out, then the ps3 would sell more.

Now the tides have turned. People will generally buy a ps3, and the 360 will take get more monthly sales when they have titles coming out that month like Halo.

[aueslander]

.....how can we take you seriously when you said the first xbox came out in november 2002 when i bought mine with halo in november 2001, same month the gamecube came out. And as we know, like you sony antards say this gen that the 360 is only ahead due to the one year time diff, the ps2 was only ahead for being out 1 year before.

Also, much like with anything new, for the first month sales will spike, but then peter out like usually.

And to those saying one game won't really turn the tied of a sale of a console, ya'll must be in your late teens or early 20s. Go back to 1992, the SNES was flailing behind the Genesis (which cane out in 1988) but then secured a mega super exclusive from Capcom, that game as Street Fighter 2 and that game alone single handedly turned the tied in the 16 bit era. I will say though that was no 17 years ago (damn, was 12 then so I feel old now) but nothing this gen will do for their console what SF2 did for the SNES since there is no one universal game that people love that they can only play on one console at home.

Anyway, sales will spike for a month, then level out month 2, the drop behind the ps3 by the following month. Remember, the elite is now replacing the Pro and it is almost a lock that MS will reprice the elite at $249 so the average retarded consumer will get the 360 for being cheaper. Also, the arcade is still at $199 so still $100 cheaper than the Ps3.

[Maddens Raiders]

LOL. Great Sony news has all the X cranks in a frenzy. You'd think Sony was trying to pass health care for everyone - even Box owners. >_<

[DevastationEve]

Even if they'll both be around the same price, Sony would be a fool if they think it'll help them overtake the proven success of Xbox Live. Microsoft continues to drive the REAL innovation this gen as Xbox Live was always at the forefront of online console gaming. It's a rep they've rightfully earned.

Xbox Live will continue to bring in customers. PSN is free and Sony should kick themselves for it, since now they have to GIVE you the console just to get any hopes of catching up to Xbox 360. Microsoft's model is more profitable. They can drop the console to $100 if they wanted and still make back plenty off XBL...Sony has nothing close to that kind of financial security.

PS3 Slim and price cut basically proves what I've always said: PS3 costs too much and has too many non-essential features. If the people start buying it now it basically proves it again...that they waited to buy.

edit: to put in perspective, ps3 fans need to stop thinking it's ps3 vs 360 and realize that it's actually ps3 vs 360 AND xbl.

[indysurfn]

psxextreme article? ROFL!!! uhhhh Duhhh wonder if this is a fanboy flame article. Duh!

[Lifendz]

and finish second (assuming you count the Wii in this console war). Think about it. 360 at 199.99 wasn't enough to put Sony away. An elite for 299.99 and a PS3 for 299.99. Think about the questions that the PS2 gamer that both companies want asks when choosing between the two.

"What's the difference between the PS3 at 299.99 and 360 at 299.99"

I think we can all fill in the answer. It's just flat out overwhelming all the features and functionality you get at 299.99 on PS3 and the best part is that you'll only have to pay 299.99. With MS it's all payments here and there for this and that. It's going to be an interesting holiday season.

The price drop is only step one. Sony has to market and advertise their product now. And I hope some games that didn't sell stellar (e.g. Killzone 2) gets a boost now that the system's price has been cut.

[molsen81]

I'm molsen81 and I approve this article.

[DaTruth]

I am Canadiaaaaannnn!!!!

[FlatulentGhost]

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[she00win99]

goodbye xbox 360!!

[nightelfmohawk]

I already chose the PS3 Fat over the 3FixMe. No regrets at all. :)

[50CALheadshot]

bluray, blutooth, 1080p, wifi, 120gig hdd, sony exclusives, multimedia, reliability, TRUE next gen software for 300 dollars

or

rrod, e74, live fees, no wifi, no blutooth, no bluray, scratched disks, loud, no exclusives, last gen games, 6o gighdd, for 300 dollars + 40 for live.

with every passing day, the ps3 pushes gamers to the next level....and while doing that and pushing the gaming industry forwards, the 360 becomes smaller and smaller in the rearview mirror. 360 cant keep up anymore. 360 is outclassed in features and functions, reliability and value per dollar.

With every day that goes by the 360 is closer to becoming extinct and useless when compared to sonys offerings...just like your precious hddvd

PS3 ftw microbots

[blackbeld]

It's up to Sony Playstation when they want to crush 360..... 360 is like a small bug that flying around with no clue where to go....... Sony not even bothering it..... BUT THE REAL COMPETITION IS THE WII....... Sony will eventually be on nr1 spot this gen again...

[AngryTypingGuy]

Is it really up to them when they want to crush the 360? Well Sony must be the most generous corp. ever, to let the competition win for this long and lose all of that marketshare. One would think they were hoping for massive sales from the beginning so they could continue domination of the PS2 into the PS3...

The Slim will help out Sony and push monthly sales ahead for awhile, I have no doubts. I have a feeling though that Natal will be the ace in the hole for MS.

[Kill Crow]

Telling consumers what to buy ... should have just said it 2 years ago everyone would have listened

Go buy a Diet Ps3 you Fat Droids !!!

[kagon01]

Of course it was a tough choice between the Wii(they betrayed my GCN) and PS3, and for the 360 pffft...

[ShadowCK]

Lol. This is coming from PSXextreme. Of course they are going to favour the Playstation 3 over the Xbox 360. They feed off Sony after all. :-)

Impact on the wallet - The Xbox 360 Elite is going to drop to $299 on September 1st. This guy is entirely wrong about this information and should be curb stomped for suggesting otherwise.

Link: http://news.vgchartz.com/ne...

Software - Matter of Preference: However, Sony had to take away some of the more expensive features like the Touch Sensitive Eject and Reset Button for the Playstation Slim. As a result, the Xbox 360 is going to be the superior console.
I chuckled when he tried to transform his opinion into a fact. Epic troll FTW.

Xbox Live vs. PlayStation Network - Matter of Preference. However, You'll be considered an idiot to think that the PlayStation Network has a better line up of Arcade games compared to Xbox Live. Everyone should know that Xbox Live has superior Arcade games.

* The Maw
*'Splosion Man
* Trials HD
* Shadow Complex

Etc

Blu-Ray - Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't you play on consoles in order to play video games and not to watch high definition movies? Regardless there's hardly any difference between HD DVDs and yet Blu-ray requires instalments depending on each game.

That's a downgrade compared to HD DVDs. Look at Bionic Commando.

Reliability and performance - Obviously the PS3 wins but no one is going to care considering the Xbox 360 failure rate is only at 10% now and is even lower considering you can download your games onto your hard drive. (Reduces overheating)

This is just another article trying to sabotage the Xbox 360 and encourage people to buy a Playstation 3 by the use of their false information and opinions.

[SonyOwnsNextYear]

every moment of failure that the 360 is going through right now, i predicted well over a year ago.

the 360 is doomed. accept it pal. the ps3 has hit its stride and devs are more comfortable with the architecture.

your rrodbox' days are numbered. start saving for your 720 and hddvd2. just remember that just like this and last gen, microsoft will fail next gen

[SonyOwnsNextYear]

xbox 1.5 for 300

or

ps3 for 300

[Arnon]

LOL.. I couldn't help but laugh at your name. You've had your account close to a year now, correct? How... accurate is your statement when you've been using that name, exactly?

[DARKKNIGHT]

heres my other aacount

i created the acronym on this account and got banned for being prosony in a xbot infested rathole called n4g:

Sony
Ownz
Next
Year

all u gotta do is check my past comments. knockyourself out, or shall i say e74 urself to death

[PS3PCFTW]

here it is pal.

this account is 2 years old

[Arnon]

It's probably not the best idea to get on your other accounts (which yes, you just proved you have 3 accounts) to agree with yourself.

You just 'pwned' yourself.

[Saaking]

The 360's main selling point was price. MS can't sell consoles unless they're cheap. With a cheaper PS3, people won't be forced to buy a 360 due to money limitations.

[SaberEdge]

You say that the main selling point of the 360 was price, but I bet that many of those who have bought the console wouldn't agree with you.

I bought both consoles because both consoles had games and services that I wanted. Simple as that.

[Saaking]

Alright, alright, another MAIN selling point of the 360 is to replace consoles that RROD! Haha.. Most "exclusives" are also on PC.

[Anon1974]

Hey Commodore. Show us where the PS3 is currently losing money. Just one official statement, one link. You can't do it.
You keep throwing up reports showing that Sony games was in a negative, but nowhere in there does it say the PS3 is the culprit. For all you Sony could be making oodles off the PS3 currently but spending on R&D on the Slim, you just don't know...and until you can provide proof you're just making yourself look foolish.

As for Microsoft, you know full well their Entertainment division is in the red again. In the six months following the 360's price cut almost half a billion dollars in profit vanished and MS Entertainment has been in the red the last two quarters, despite revenue staying the same.

So if you think the PS3 is losing because SCE posted a loss these last few quarters (actually, a while back they were posting profits. Does that mean the PS3 was making money and just now it's losing money, by your logic) then you have to apply that same logic to Microsoft and come to the conclusion that the 360 hardware is losing them money. If you don't apply your logic both ways your just being hypocritical or you have to finally admit that your logic is flawed and you really don't know or have any proof the PS3 is losing money.

At least your nonsense is in the Open Zone, where people don't expect you to be able to back up your statements, but I'm still calling you on it. Provide one recent link saying the PS3 specifically is losing money.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

"Consumers Will Choose The PS3 Slim Over The Xbox 360"

said by (psxextreme.com)

.....yeah well, it's only a matter of time before ms makes a bundle for cheap, sony's still not making much of a profit, not with that blu-ray player and that 256 of xdr memory. those two things still go for a pretty penny. all for $299, yeah i think that's hurting them.

i wonder how long sony wants to keep this ps3 slim going on for, even with cell shrunken down it's still going to cost them money to make it.

[The-Warranty]

Would you like some preparation h?

[Mo0eY]

Whoaaaaa, I'mmmm ssssspppppiiinnniiiiiiiinnnngg ggg
Edit: Honestly, I'd rather have Sony spend money on parts and make money through games rather than have a company make it as cheap as possible only have it to 1. scratch my discs 2. RRoD and/or 3. E-74. Sometimes you get what you pay for. In Microsoft's eyes, that's not the case.

[Saaking]

MS can drop the price all they want, fact is their console is cheaper than the wii and they're still getting outsold. People are NOT waiting for a 360 price cut so it Wouldn't have much effect. The best thing MS can do right now is just brace themselves and try to survive for a few years once again under Sony dominance.

[talltony]

You do know that Sony is making a profit off every ps3 slim dnt u?

I remember reading something recently about them making a profit off the slim, or am I mistakin?

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

and there you have it.

sony is suffering from it's price drop.

"Hirai admitted that Sony already loses money on each console it sells. “If you’re just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes, we do lose money on every one."

http://electronictheatre.co...

lol, so we might not see the slim for long.

[gambare]

I gonna put your comments here

http://failblog.org/

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

not really interested in hearing much of your comments.

i knew my point was already proven correct, some of the parts inside of the ps3 are cheaper, but with that $100 price drop they in essence took what could have been their relief in manufacturing costs for ps3s, into a loss.

so sony will probably sell a lot of these new ps3s but in return they will be hit with losses in manufacturing them.

you can continue with the geeky xbot bs or whatever you nerds know best, whatever it takes to get a b!tch in a sack with you guys :)

nice chatting with you guys, later.

[Mo0eY]

Look at this bot run from my fair comment. Like I said, I prefer that Sony would lose money in hardware and earn it in software as opposed to Microsoft who's greedy as fvck - milk the Halo franchise and provide faulty, loud soon-to-be paperweights.

This bot is the epitome of all Xbox fantards. Ignorant until the end (of his 9th console like that one guy).

[wxer]

@ MGSR THE HD VERSION

yes they are lossing money on the FAT one
NOT the SLIM one

;)

[commodore64]

@ above.

hmmm.

Sony's most recent financial report shows overall gaming losses.
As Mgs pointed out, even Kaz Hirai has acknowledged that they make losses on ps3 hardware.

Do you honestly believe that the slim is able to overcome the ps3 fat loss-margin, as well as the loss from the $100 pricedrop?

Honestly?

Tell me what drugs you are smoking... I want some.

[wxer]

@ commodore64

1- every one is losing
even nintendo
and Microsoft ( repairing RROD and other stuff )

2- the japanese economy is in deep sh*t
all the japanese companies are losing money
cars,electronics and along with all the other things they make

3- Sony is losing because of the fat ps3
it cost 800$ to make but the sell it on 299$ ( not 100% sure about this one )

4- yes the slim well make up
because
a) no one know how much it cost to make
b) its cheap
c) its not out yet its flying of shelves (amazon for e.g )

5- don't forget about software sales

im not smoking anything but you sir need to use the thing inside your head and called BRAIN

@ the guy down there

yes they are making money out of xbox live
yet they could make more money if there was no RRDO to fix

+ look at the comment #13

and i said they are losing money because its a japanese company

you just take what you want out of the truth and ignore the other things out there

[commodore64]

@ above.

Dude, Check some financial reports.

Sony is losing on ps3.
Ms has posted 2 straight profitable years in its gaming division.

Let's stick to the facts, huh?

[PopEmUp]

You're one of the most stupid bot I've ever seen on N4g, even PP is still smarter than you although he a 5 years old bot :P

[Anon1974]

He points to Sony's financials as proof that the PS3 is losing money, but if that were the case then obviously the PS3 was making money just one year ago. Was the PS3 suddenly profitable then became unprofitable?

Figure this out. Sony Games division posted a profit of close to $50 million in the first quarter (July) quarter last year. This first fiscal quarter they posted a loss of $400 million and sold 700,000 less PS3's for the quarter compared to a year ago.

So, and this is a bit oversimplified, doesn't that mean Sony's making money off the PS3? If sales go down and profit goes down, then it's fair to assume that the item in question is profitable. If they lost money on the hardware, sales would go down and profit would go up!

So it's easy to see how fatally flawed Commodore's logic is. The main problem is he's oversimplifying the whole thing and he knows better. He knows full well Sony Computer entertainment was more than just the PS3, and the loss recently posted is for the newly formed division that includes far more than just the PS3. It could be slow laptop sales causing the recent losses for all we know. Commodore just likes to make things in his never ending, PS3 bashing mania, but he knows he's wrong because he's argued with me before regarding MS Entertainment numbers vs Xbox numbers.

[commodore64]

Oversimplified?

Is this just more darkride spin and damage control again?

Sony's latest report clearly shows (and states) that ongoing Sony gaming losses are caused, in part, by ongoing ps3 losses!

http://www.gamegrep.com/new...

How can any fanboy argue with Sony's own ps3 report and Sony's OWN statements that Sony is losing money on its ps3?
sure enough... Darkride66 will try!

It really doesn't get any more factual and obvious than Sony's very own financial reports.

On the other hand, why don't we believe darkride66 instead?
I mean, he has a personal blog on which he reports his opinion and spin quite regularly.. after all he knows much more about Sony than Sony does itself!

In the end, even after spin, damage control and passionate 'darkride6 blogging',
the fact remains that MS's 360 has posted two straight years of profitability, while Sony's PS3 has posted NONE.

That really is undeniable.

[Anon1974]

I see a lot of you chirpping, but still no link. That's the same link you provided before and it DOES NOT show the PS3 as the culprit.

It says sales are down, it says Vaio and Sony's games division posted losses. Nowhere does it say the PS3 was the cause of these losses. If anything, this proves the PS3 is profitable. Sony games was posting profits a year ago. PS3 sales slid. Now Sony's games division is posting a loss. By the way, 360 sales were way up at the beginning of the year until recently, but Microsoft Entertainment is back in the red as well. What's the story there? :)

Again, Commodore has no proof that the PS3 is causing a loss, merely speculation. He doesn't know if the loss was due to the PS2, PSP, development and startup of the PS3 slim, some other project Sony hasn't announced yet, bad investments, appreciation of the yen versus the US dollar. He doesn't know, but he jumps all over the PS3 as being the culprit with zero proof and refuses to provide links to back himself up other than "Sony games division is down, so that must be the PS3"

And what's especially hypocritical is when I pointed out Microsoft lost almost half a billion in profits in the six months following the 360 price cut despite increased sales and increased revenue, he jumped all over me because "Microsoft Entertainment is more than just the 360," despite me stating that obvious fact over and over. And now he completely ignores that Sony Networked Products & Services division that posted the loss is also far, far more than just the PS3 and yet he's adamant that the PS3 is at fault.

That should be in the dictionary next to "hypocritical".
I also love how he throws around Microsoft Entertainment's first two years of profitability ever, knowing full well that the section has spent themselves into the red again the last six months. At least Sony's Games Division is moving in the right direction, not slipping back.

Sony Games fiscal loss in 2009 was almost a third of what it was in 2008, and a quarter what it was in 2007. That's progress.

Microsoft Entertainment's last fiscal update showed profits were about a quarter what they were versus their only profitable year the year prior, and the last two quarters had them taking a loss again. That's the opposite of progress.

You stated "How can any fanboy argue with Sony's own ps3 report and Sony's OWN statements that Sony is losing money on its ps3?"
Wow. Sony said that? There's a Sony statement about the PS3 losing money? I'd love to see that "PS3 report." Where is it? If anything, Networked Products posting a decline because of slower PS3 sales PROVES THE PS3 IS PROFITABLE, YOU NITWIT, because increased PS3 sales during the same quarter last year saw the whole division lifted to a profitable quarter. So now that PS3 sales are down and the division is no longer posting a profit it's safe to assume that the PS3 IS PROFITABLE because it buoyed the entire division.

The same cannot be said about Microsoft, who showed increased 360 sales, increased revenue and a DECREASE in profitability. How do you rectify that fact, Microsoft boy?

[commodore64]

@ darkie.

Oh dear. You really have a screw loose, huh?
Or maybe you cannot read?

The report states:
"The operating loss is also attributed to the VAIO and Sony's game division."

hmmm..
pretty clear.

I keep meaning to ask you darkie, wtf is the matter with you?

[Anon1974]

"The operating loss is also attributed to the VAIO and Sony's game division."

Where in that statement does it say the the loss is the fault of the PS3? Nowhere. There's so much that's covered under Sony's Network division that it could be anything. The PS3 might be making tonnes of cash for Sony but it's been offset by R&D, or the slim, or developing the PSP Go. The point is, we don't know and unless you have proof that the loss is a direct result of the PS3, stating so over and over again is simply a falsehood unless you can prove it otherwise.

[Saaking]

I'm sure PS3 will outsell the 360 by July 2010.

[CrashFallen]

hmmm *coughs* who didnt know this? -_^

[soxfan2005]

In 2008, both consoles sold nearly the exact same number (around 10.5 million each). So far in 2009, 360 is up around 25% year over year. 360's price will be the same (or maybe lower) than last years. So, 360 is on pace to sell around 12.5-13 million this year (or "fiscal year"). 360 also continues to sell very well despite the knowledge of PS3's impending price cuts, as well as the slim.

Sony has already projected 13 million PS3 sales this "fiscal" year, and they obviously knew of the slim and price cut well before anyone else, so that is already figured in to their numbers. Unless something changes dramatically, it will most likely be another tie.

[SaberEdge]

I agree, Soxfan. Sales will likely be in the same ball park for both consoles this year. The PS3 slim will definitely help Sony sell a lot more consoles, but those expecting the PS3 to "destroy" the 360 are misguided and naive. One, it won't happen. Two, why would you want it to happen?

It will be very difficult for the PS3 to catch up, let alone "destroy" the 360. I love both consoles, but that is the honest truth of the matter.

[kingOVsticks]

That would be crazy, PS3 fans and fanboys will go nuts if the PS3 out sell the 360 in less than a year.You know how much the gaming media/industry will change if it did. Its not likely though looking at it from a realistic stand point but I think by that time the gap will only be like 3-4 million.If it does happen, lets not call it a come back :D

Edit:hmm disagrees, thats what I get for saying the PS3 won't sell 500 million consoles in 13 hours and a really lame joke that only people who listen to old school hip hop would understand :/

[ChozenWoan]

There is already a console on the market that surpassed the 360 in less than a year. The Wii.

Over the next year or so, Sony will sell out of how ever many consoles they produce. Due in part to it's new price, the upcoming games over the next 12 months, and the new motion controls set to hit first/middle of next year. This truly is the rebirth of the system. For months now, many 360 fans where calling for a new console to hit the market...
well BAM! There it is.

[DaTruth]

Sorry Soxfan, you shouldn't factor your, pulled out of your a$$ numbers into your calculations. There is nobody in the whole world saying 360 is selling 25% better. All shipped numbers point to 360 being 100,000 consoles ahead of the PS3, which is in no way 25%!

[Mo0eY]

It's true. It has better features, better games, a better overall price, and the newest format technology that'll hold up for another decade.

PS3 was, is, and always will be the better choice. Now that Sony has lowered the price, the consumers will choose the system they should have chosen with their low budgets.

Of course, this excludes gullible retards/frat kids who like Gaylo and Tears of Bore.

[ColRomColumn]

Ok let's talk about the 54.2% figure you guys are bouncing around. I understand that this has come from Game Informer (print) magazine survey and is known as a 'biased' study. Oddly the article has vanished from the online version of Game Informer.

Let's firstly understand that those of us who have not had the RROD are unlikely to have responded to the survey, meaning only the limited readership of the mag have recorded votes on hardware failure. Take into account the massive install base of the hardware and this figure tumbles dramatically.

*Certainly too far to include it in your avatar Mooey.

Let's not pretend that a percentage of the PS3 hardware does not fail. Heathly competition in the now prominent gaming industry is very beneficial. As an Xbot I would like to play a couple of the upcoming PS3 releases, however I do not wish that the PS3 should fail because I cannot. That is the difference between us.

[Ninver]

Correction: smart consumers (xbots not applicable) will choose the ps3 over the 3fixme.

Since being banned here it's an all out war and i'm at the forefront. The trailer park xbot breed will feel the heat i assure you that. Insults and psychological damage will be endured. FLEE THIS SITE QUICKLY!!! go to gametrailers and ign where you will be welcome to your own community.

I have no sympathy for brain dead machine thinking bots.

[San Frandisco]

PS3 FAT --FTMFW!
PS3 slim --FTW!
360 --FTL!
WII --FTMFL!

[-Mezzo-]

Now that the Price being too high argument is aside, every consumer in his right mind would go with PS3.

[00]

Hmmmmmmm.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

nuff said.

[duplissi]

^^^
and those comments coming from people who have xbox related avatars, hmm.....

[Oner]

^^^ ZING!!!

[00]

And I only have a PS3 but don't play it, also Mass effect is not only an "xbox" avatar(PC)

[CryofSilence]

Ben Dutka, if you had read any of his other works, is actually quite fond of his 360 as are the other journalists on that sites. For being a Playstation site, they are actually quite fair and unbiased. That said, of course they need to promote their product of choice. Mind you, it was a choice with lots of thought put into it.

I know this because I've had a great respect for PSXextreme for years. I used to be a regular visitor of the forum. College does tend to get in the way.

[ApocalypseShadow]

the question is though:

"what will microsoft's response be after saying,"we are not worried about the release of ps3 slim."

we shall see if they don't worry about it real soon.they have enough systems on the market to get games,but they may get desperate if sony catches them real quick before christmas 2010.

apocalypse................

[Narutone66]

are probably covering their ears and going "lalalalala.. can't hear you".

[Lfmesquite]

I really like the Slim, it's what the PS3 should of been all along. It looks like a toy, or better yet a "game console", something a kid has in his house.

The old PS3 looked like something that was going to kill you, it was too defined and just too much. The 360 is ugly as F*ck, but it still looks like a game console.

I think the new PS3 and price will get Sony back into the game, But Microsoft is't just gonna just sit around, Microsoft is furious, and probably already have their own redesigned 360 in the works. Trust me, they are watching every move Sony makes and won't hesitate to copy anything that works. Sony needs to keep up the heat and next time Microsoft gives 360 a major price cut, Sony better respond a lot faster. They can't afford to let 360 have that kind of price advantage for the amount of time they did.

EDIT: But this is a good move by Sony and it should hold for a while. Even by Christmas 2010, I can't really see the XBOX Elite any cheaper than $249.99. But if Microsoft were to be able to get the XBOX Elite which is rumored to be taking the place of the PRO, if they can get the ELITE down to $199 by Christmas 2010, then the PS3 could be in trouble again. This has become a price war, I think.

[Sunny_D]

I really like the Slim, it's what the PS3 should of been all along. It looks like a toy, or better yet a "game console", something a kid has in his house.

I take it you're a child? Were you too scared to handle a sophisticated machine? :P

[Rocket Sauce]

Mucho agreed. I like my ps3, but it looks like it came from 10 years in the future. The slim ps3 looks like something you could throw in your backpack and take to a friend's house. It just looks like a game console should.

[Sunny_D]

Now, that the Ps3 slim is much more competitive in price, I'd say Sony are going to be loving this holiday season.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I play my 360 more than my PS3. But this deal cannot get better! Waiting patiently for God of War 3.

[Odion]

I disagree

[Sunny_D]

Of course you would. Go back to your church of Halo... ;P

[dirthurts]

Bring it on!
It's going to be great for the consumers.

Maybe the next xbox won't be that far around the corner. I love new hardware : )

[IcyJoker187]

54.2%
54.2%
54.2%

;D!!!!!

[Gobot]

Of course, people go with what they can trust. I know some people who still have just a Ps2 who were just waiting for a price drop. I'll be buying another Ps3 for my brother, at lest 3 people on my Friends list (on the 360)that have "Ps3 slim 299" in their motto.

[MetalGearBear]

I PICKED PS3 SLIM!!!!!!!!!

*laugh point at xbot*

[rmedtx888]

There's one word I have to say... Reliability...

[eagle21]

BUY PS3. :)

[Death2494]

Doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I own a ps3 and i'm probably going to sell it for 150 just to buy the slim. It doesn't change the fact that most for the good exclusives come from Sony and they've been doing that since day one. Probably will buy COD MW2, but i'm definitely getting MAG.

[aiphanes]

OMG it looks so awesome!

This think is gonna sell like hotcakes

Remember the xbox 360 does not have wifi, bluetooth, HDMI 1.3a, bluray, and free online, HOME, reliability, and user upgradable harddrive..

The wii is $250 and totally not worth it....

Remember the PS3 slim has a new 45nm on the Cell chip!!!!!

[saimcheeda]

picked a ps3 over xbox 360 b4, now gonna pick a ps3 slim over an xbox 360!

[JonnyBigBoss]

X360 just doesn't stand a chance at this point.

[clintos59]

They will have to drop the pro sku to $199 & the elite to $299 that way sony doesnt DESTROY them every month sales wise because we all know if microsoft tries to go head to head with sony at the same price range, they will fail miserably.

I also believe this price cut of the slim for $299 will help boost sales alot for sony but this isnt where sony will have WORLD RECORD BREAKING SALES. The time when u will DEFINATELY see the competition FOLD to sony's WRATH is when u see the ps3 at a $199 price tag. I can almost guarantee nintendo & microsoft wont stand a chance unless they decide to bring in a new console by then. $199 is the sweet spot & we all know the ps3 is future proof & out of all 3 systems will have the most appeal even five years from now.

[ItsIncognito]

A friend of mine a die-hard Xbox fan Had four times RROD. I call him last week and tells me he bought a PS3. I ask what? He repeated. I dazed a few momenst and stumbled and couldn't believe he did.

The point is his 360 Elite broke last week. He was so pissed that he went out and instead of buying another 360 to ease the wait till the other one is repaired he bought a PS3. I gave him a visit last weekend and said he was done with MS.

This is the real factor, 300 dollar for a reliable console is priceless.

The 360 has shown that MS is willing to rape every consumer, so they can shout we are the leaders in the industry.

They are certanly leaders in fooling you the consumer.

You can argue all you want, but you felt the tension months prior to the price cut. Now it is arrived and people feel relief. Now is the time to own one. This vibe you feel with many PS2 owners. No media outlet will change that.

[DelbertGrady]

psxextreme.com

[Saaking]

Yes, that's the name of the site. What's you're point?

[tehReaper]

His point is that this article is coming from a pro-PS3 site, dumbass. It's the type of article that trolls feed off of, like yourself. I mean, would you trust 360----.com stating that the PS3 Slim will fail? No, so stop with the fanboy bs.

The ONLY reason why most of you are happy about the slim is because Sony "may" have a chance to catch up to the rest of the industry with the new price. That's it, I imagine most of you won't even buy it. This is great news for people who were waiting for a price drop, but bad news for you because I bet you're one of the idiots that paid 600 dollars for the original at launch.

[ultimolu]

xboxkings.com.

And yet you idiots approve news from that site.

[keysy420]

360 fans have some defense, but ask a 360 fan what is 360 next move natal what if it flops. m$ shoul dget out of the console business and just make game. they would be turning a profit but the console has cost them billions to repair over and over again.

[keysy420]

the ps3 cost 240 dollar ruffly to make and is selling for 300 sony game division been turning a profit.even when they were losing money on ps3

[ps12&3lover]

THIS ARTICLE WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN..HE HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE..COMPARING EVERYTHING BOTH HAVE TO OFFER AND WHEN YOU REALLY REALLY THINK ABOUT IT,,ALL FANBOY STUFF ASIDE ITS JUST A FACT THAT THE PS3 IS A BETTER CONSOLE AT 299..HELL IT WAS BETTER AT 600 SO NOW FORGET IT,,,I CANT WAIT TO SEE SALES COMPARISONS FROM NOW ON AND ESPECIALLY IN THE CHRISTMAS SEASON..I DONT PLAY SALES BUT I JUST WANT TO SHUT THESE FANGIRLS UP ALREADY

[tehReaper]

Caps are bad, mmkay.

[helrazor343]

I totally agree with you, which is why I plan on getting a slim (even though it'll be my 2nd PS3), the fat version is inconvenient to travel around with.

Concerning the article itself, I always believed the PS3 offered more value than the competition, even at its higher price point, but that is just my opinion. Now that you can get a PS3 at $299, like the author said, how could you not see the PS3 is a better bang for your buck? It's just a no-brainer.

[albert_275]

Dammit, my Xbox doesn't stand a chance...
And considering the ridiculous lack of OMFG exclusives... Microsoft better cook something up.

[exnihilonihilfit]

Please stop posting these useless articles about whether or not the PS3 slim is going to beat the Xbox 360.

I've had enough, and though obviously I've been interested enough to click on these articles and read the comments, I can condone this no longer. It's time for me to weigh in. I hope that some will follow my lead and stop posting or clicking on these articles, after this post, I'm never going to look twice at another one of these links.

I am a Sony Loyalist, not a "fan boy," but I've owned Playstation and Playstation 2 since day 1, got the PS3 last year only 'cause I was away and didn't have the cash to afford it at the time. I have never owned an Xbox, and probably never will (though Mass Effect gives me second doubts). As much as I believe Sony makes a superior product (though I do think they screwed up by not putting in just a little more RAM), I don't really care who "wins" the "console war." It's not about winning or losing, it's about making and playing games, and each console maker will develop a product that suits different consumer demographics which will result in different types of games for the people who like them. Everyone I believe can agree that the initial launch of the PS3 seemed like a bit of a fiasco, but there was more than just selling PS3's at that time, Sony was embroiled in an actual format war (not some BS console war which means nothing because both consoles were bound to be successful since they're not mutually exclusive, you can have a PS3 and an Xbox, you can't have HDDVD and Bluray), which they won, so that was a success, bottom line. True, the price was insufferably high, but they needed to get it out so that they could bring down production costs over time, which they have done. Everything has gone according to plan, the release of the slim was not some desperate attempt to regain marketshare, because they are not that far behind, really not behind at all given the gap in launch dates, and especially in light of the price difference. It's not too little, it's not too late, it's not just what the doctor ordered, it's not a surprise; it is what was inevitable, and anyone who knows anything about the industry knew it was going to happen. The only thing they didn't plan for was Global Economic Recession, but even that hasn't been as bad for the gaming industry as everyone makes it out to be, and it affected each system almost equally.

Everyone has to recognize that in terms of pure power, the PS3 is superior (you cannot dispute that there's more processing power, a standard harddrive and a bluray disc player). Still, in terms of online services and overall games library, black just isn't beating green (the damn thing just has more games, more services, and better all around functionality online). This can, and probably will change as the Playstation gains market share, but once it catches up, they'll probably just remain neck and neck in both sales and content. Sony will catch up to 360, but probably will not surpass by much until next gen. Slim will make up the difference, but the steam generated by its recent release will fall off eventually, and will not give them the stamina to outpace 360 forever especially as microsoft steadily improves there system (and hopefully figures out a way to keep the damn things from breaking).

I believe that just as PS2s are still selling, PS3's will sell well into the next gen, while when 720 comes out, 360s will no longer be produced. This means that at the end of the day (or should I say decade), there will probably have been more PS3's sold, but only after the competition opts out for the sake of full dedication to the next gen, at which point, it won't be a fair comparison, just like it's not really fair to compare PS2 sales numbers to Xbox's (PS2 has had a stupidly longer lifespan, and Xbox was a new brand that started late).

All I want is for all 3rd party developers to go multiplat, and for first parties to keep doing the hell of a job that they have been.

I really, really hope that some of you will follow my lead on this and just stop the nonsense. Out of nothing, nothing comes.

PS: (heh heh, get it... PS!) GT5 is totally going to spank Forza. Oh, and this Natal stuff is nothing new, just look at eyepet.

[CaptainPunch]

I was a sony fan from the start, I got my first PS1 when I was 8. I got a PS2 when it first came out, and a PS3 when it came out. I'm going to buy a PS3 Slim. There's something about sonys consoles that I like, I can't explain it but holding that controller feels right.

[divideby0]

rock solid hardware...long lifetime....stellar exclusives....

[Neo604]

It probably a miss inform lack of knowledge person
or the one that hate the japanese.

[Neo604]

MS in the other hand f@ck you up the ass and you want more.
LOL that sad.
but still Sony is one of the biggest richest company in the world.

what make you xbot think that they don't know what they are doing.

after all you xbot are too young to have a job to understand this sh1t.

[Morbius420]

Judging from your spelling skills you're too damn stupid to have a job!

[Xi]

I mean, xbox owners got fable 3, a new game from a great series.

Playstation owners got nothing new from games con. Not a single new game, instead sony announced a price cut. But what good is a price for people who already on a ps3.

and for people who claim not to play sales, why do you care?

the main reason I'm starting to become a 360 fanboy and regretting buying a ps3 is soley because of this website and how bad the 360 is represented on it.

[tehReaper]

I agree, strongly. All the comments lately have been a bunch of PS3 fans circle jerking about something they might not buy if they already have a PS3.

The thing about PS3 fanboys, is that they'll bend any argument to fit their point. They nag about 360 fanboys using sales(actual marketshare data, btw) and say that sales mean nothing(in fact, it means a lot because it rates how popular a game or console is and if great games sell poor, the developers that brought that great game hurt the most). But when something could actually be in their favor, they'll use it and just say "well the bots use sales all teh time, so I will too lolz"

[news4noobs]

they are fanboys, plain and simple.

too late too little for sony. why would all 360 and ps3 owner all of a sudden ditch their old hardware? especially for something that brings absolutely nothing new to the table.

you gotta see that the fony camp has been distant 3rd and last place right from the start and they have been desperate all the way and whenever fony brings something new, their hope goes up. but as always, their hope is gonna be shattered in less than a month, when it will show once again, the pos3 isnt the choice of the real gamer.

but i find the fony boys funny, they are really good for getting a daily laugh.

[ipe]

MS is not making any cash on sold 360s and they re loosing cause of different errors.If they have any profit as u say its cause of xboxlive,subscriptions etc

[Anon1974]

First off, nowhere has Microsoft claimed they make a profit on the 360 itself. In fact, in the six months immediately following the 360's price cut, Microsoft Entertainment went back into the red where it's been for the last two quarters despite revenue staying about the same and almost half a billion in profit has vanished. So, how can they sell more, have revenue remain unchanged and yet profits vanish? That sounds to me like the 360 is being sold at a loss.

Now, as for the $450 million and $130 million that Microsoft Entertainment has shown in profits the last two years - tell me, where would that profit be if you took away XBL fees. Think about it. Microsoft has probably somewhere over 10 million XBL gold subscribers paying $50 a year. That's 500 million right there. Sure it costs to keep XBL running, but it sure doesn't cost $500 million. If you took away that revenue stream, MS Entertainment wouldn't be making a dime. So is the 360 profitable, or is Xbox Live profitable?

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Sony has already announced so many games to stupid retard flippin use your brain and think like a human. 360 has 8 exclusives this fiscal year and the PS3 has 25 exclusives this fiscal year. Sony are known for announcing new games every TGS so this year they'll probably save surprise announcements for TGS.

There's already too many games this year and the next for the PS3 so how many more do you want. I personally don't play more then 2 games a year and I've been doing that since the PS1 days.

[Shendow]

Well I think everyone has dry themselfs out on 360's an are going to buy PS3's, PS3's sells have gone up like crazy and Microsoft has to keep cutting their price to keep up with Sony in everyway (Not that I mind a cheaper Elite :D)

But its going to be hard for Microsoft to say "Hey We Are Better Then PS3 With Are Titles!!".....PS3? Bluray, Wi-Fi, PSN that is about as good as XBL (New update coming soon that might change things), 1080p DVD an CD, plays all Playstation Games (PSOne), free online play, build in battery's that can be reuse an comes right out of the box, old PS3 models can use the OS system, PS Home (Big deal to some), more free thing to get on PSN then XBL, choose to upgrade hard drve with out paying over 100 bucks for mostly the name brand.

Yeah the list is pretty long an Microsoft has alot of work to beat that and it being 300 bucks.

(Waiting For Low Price Elite Bundle With Halo =^-^=)

[00000000000000000001]

I think most people looking to just play games and don't have a lot of money will still go for the Xbox 360. New Arcade at Amazon.com for $179.96. That sure leaves a lot of money left to buy the best games!

[creepjack]

What are all of you rabid fanboys gonna do when the excitement of the NEW PS3 Slim wears off, and it goes right back to normal again? People are buying 360's because they want to play the console that all of their friends play. They want to buy the console that has Halo. They want to buy the console that has Gears. THey want to buy the console that STILL has the superior version of multiplatform titles (and dont even argue this because you know its true).

Everyone talks about the PS3's superior exclusives, but that isn't what sales numbers have ever said. Halo alone outsells any 2 PS3 exclusives (3 if you exclude the over price GT5P demo that Sony had the balls to charge for). THe 360 is a game selling machine, and that means people want to play games on the 360, and that translates into 360 consoles sales regardless of a new PS3.

Besides, when Natal comes out next year, it will be officially the end of the PS3's hope for second. THe only rival the 360 will have then will be the Wii.

[EdFry]

Your argument states the the xbox 360 is "The cool kid on the block" the one that all your friends play and that Halo/Gears are it's only real selling points. Tsk, tsk, tsk; you really don't put up a convincing argument.

Unless all of your friends(and yourself) are in middle school or racist I am pretty sure they don't want to play Gears or Halo anymore the community has sucked all the fun out of those games. And I have yet to see a multiplate-form game that looks better unless your "wanting" too see any difference.

As for exclusives I would give it to Sony for their variations, I mean they have platforming(the birth genre of modern gaming), Shooters, Racing and "Other" while Microsoft is really trying hard to convince us all it is uber l33t with it's shooters and racing games(which is all they "really" have shoot/race).

As for Natal don't hold your breath, I like playing pretend as much as the next guy but it all just sounds like an expensive gimmick to me.

Stephen has the right idea about Natal
http://www.colbertnation.co...

[Morituri]

It's numb-skulls like you which will continue to ensure that quality gets overruled by cheap tactics and moronic reasoning.

[rubixCubos]

That article was excellent. I agree with every point really.

[No_NaMe]

LOL...Really ?

Well Ps Fanboys talk sh** but 360 stills out selling the Ps3.

[Meus Renaissance]

To be fair, they've been saying this since 2006

[Sez]

didn't we already hear this before. when KZ2,LBP,MGS4,R2,(64ppl)ect. comes out. people will be buying the ps3 over the 360. this is starting to sound like a broken record. it's the same song and dance for the past going on 3 years.

[duplissi]

yeah your right, but this situation isnt some game launch that joe blow has no idea of- its a complete hardware change and relaunch with a lower price. im not saying that things are going to change, things could stay largely the same.

but you would be stupid to assume that this wont have an impact that is far different that a mere game launch

[divideby0]

how can you not choose the new slim over a 360.
SIGNICANTLY BETTER HARDWARE AT A BETTER PRICE, just compare the 2..geez
Game Library.

what does the 360 have more than the PS3 slim now...a few game exclusives..

[Sez]

"what does the 360 have more than the PS3 slim now"

well the 360 still has a cheaper SKU, better online, more games, better mutli-plat games, mutli-plat games that sell better, exclusive that sell better,ect.

[Shendow]

Ok,
360 Game Library:
XBL Games
Xbox games
360 games

PS3 Game Library:
Playstation games
PS2 games (On some PS3's an some PS2 games on PSN)
PSN games
PS3 games
MMO's

Wow PS3 does have a bigger library then 360 an most of those Playstation titles can't be found on 360 to, online is pretty much the same but without cross party chat, mutli-plat games don't all sell better on 360 I hate to say it, bad ports on the PS3 is mostly because of developers starting on 360 an then trying to make a game for a system that is more powerful.

Right now 360 is only fighting PS2, because outdate tech should stay with the rest and PS3 has to much high tech stuff. Most people don't even understand anything you say to them but PS3 lol.

[Quikchicken_Fly]

because ps3 has more exclusives

[DarkCowMoo]

Firmware hack.
It adds some much value to the 360 as it did to the PS2.
It might be illegal but it does make a difference.

[SIdepocket]

It'll start outselling the Xbox 360 the moment it can run Xbox Live. Sorry, but numbers don't lie.

[Shendow]

When it runs live? thats it pretty dumb thing to say, its a Microsoft only thing and your PC can run it. (Read some of your Live cards)

[SIdepocket]

Well, duh

[frostyhat123]

its from psxextreme

[TheNocturnus]

But I finally got a ps3 yesterday. I must say that the 360 is still a better machine. The ps3 has the worst interface ever. the ps store is a joke and the web browser... wow youtube. BFD. The only reason I got a ps3 was for the kick @ss games i was missing on the 360. Uncharted 1 and 2. GOW 3, heavenly sword, warhawk, mag, etc... Xbox live crushes anything the ps3 network can do. But still, it does look nice sitting next to my 360. Good gaming everyone!

[ForROME]

I agree although I think the xbox is a great exp, you just get a much better deal getting a PS3 now, consumers are getting a real treat.

[X-Alchemist]

xbox 360 is only £160 where the slim is £250

[teto83]

the bots are getting owned too much lately. i think this is the beggining of the end for microsoft. Media Center failed in windows, and the xbox "living room" experiment had good chances at first, but a back stabbing company pulling the plug on the original xbox way to early and leving you with a useless brick after 2 years or so and even worse sell you a bad product on purpose.

100 million PS2 users are about to enter the picture and change the landscape of new consoles so it's not too much of a stretch to think of a future very much like the last console race. People were waiting for a ps3 price cut now it's here. enjoy.

[SIdepocket]

You get a bubble for being delusional

[hulud86]

Stop spooning your PS3 console.

[Morituri]

The Ps3 is a far greater value on paper, but the mind-control mavens have already taken over the souls of consumers. These are the same people that should have purchased a ps3 ages ago, but made excuses as to why they shouldn't. I think that the bias is so thick and calloused that it will take some deprogramming to get them to see the obvious fact that any real gamer needs to have a ps3 somewhere in their home.

[hulud86]

Yes many people in this world are stupid because they use IDK instead of spelling it out like a normal person.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

IS natal...They should concentrate on what got them to in our pockets hardcore exclusive games....thats what made the xbox that is what keeps the xbox around...people are delusion into believing natal is so great...im sorry motion controls aren't hardcore..it was the games new ips and stealing ips from sony...they need to beef up there first party even there mediocre games were hot like crackdown..get some of thoe great games from pc and port them over and buy valve and port counter strike

[Blacksand1]

I was going to buy a Xbox but I waited until the next year for the

PS3 because of the problems they was having. IF you got to be a fool

and buy a system that's got to break are RRod that's your fault.I

wasn't going to be a fool to Microsoft rush to be the first and not

taking time to fix there system and work out the bugs. I will not pay

to get online are anything else if I payed alot of money to buy my

system that is being a fool and Microsoft know it was people out

there who is game hunger to buy a new system so they threw the 360

out there for sucker to buy.

[Allowen]

Outside US/Europe/Japan to buy a video game or games to play on it can cost up to almost 3 times more expensive because it is an imported product.
Because of that the Xbox360 might stil sell more then the PS3 because of the priracy market for games.

So you see like in South America countries you might need to pay around $100 dolars for a normal PS3's game ( cuz taxes/import etc) but in a pirated copy of a game to play on the xbox360 you would pay $10 only.

No matter how uber are the games on the PS3 because in MAAAnny "poor"countries the Xbox360 will always sells more.

Not every one is up to pay $100 for an exclusive game such GT5 when they can simply pay $10 for a Forza3 and have preaty much same experience and saving $90 dolars.

[Infernus]

What I see far too many people doing is touting sales figures without thinking about a normal situation or considering the background of the figures. The 360 hasn't really been as big a success as you all might think, the sales figures are around the same as the original Xbox.

So anyway people have been stating figures left, right and centre without thinking. A lot of the 360 owners (in fact most of them) had an Xbox, so it was a case of just getting the next version of the system for those people, considering many hadn't owned a PS2 and those who had simply preferred what Microsoft were offering.

As far as I'm aware Sony is the king of brand loyalty. Me for one, without thinking, just opt for a Sony HDTV, Sony phone and yes a Sony PS3 because I've had the other Playstations and I prefer it. So when people start spouting out sales figures as if quantity of sales makes a console any better than it's rival from a gamer's perspective I would just like to point you to the fact that there is a massive (and I mean MASSIVE) number of people still using their PS2s and are set on moving to a PS3 but economically times are very trying and personally a games console is a luxury item.

Also, how many of you have considered that many 360 owners were impatient PS2 owners who wanted their next gen gaming fix only to find they preferred the PS3 when it got up and running, actually now is the prime time for this situation occurring more frequently considering Sony's excellent exclusives backlist.

I know so many people (and the list is growing) who owned a 360 and then inevitably bought a PS3. The student community is one of the biggest markets for these companies and Microsoft's Live service is unnecessarily eating into the student wallet each year when it should be free. If Microsoft put out a console they should back the console fully (like Sony are doing with their current console made = money lost process) and not charge the customer for the Gold service at all. Microsoft put me off the 360 with the yearly payment, not out of how much it is but out of principle. Can't stand set monthly or annual charges outside the initial broadband charge as a gamer.

So ladies and gentlemen we come to the point at which I've written the first passage of my book and get to the PS3 Slim. I don't know if anyone else was aware of the concept for the Slim which looked like a Wii with a PS3 curve to the front, fubar imo, but the 'real' Slim looks great. I think it'll sell, it'll sell well and Sony have a brilliant holiday season ahead of them. Sony's next-gen plan is flowing freely now, Microsoft will need a get-out plan soon. 720 anyone... pfft.

[RUF1]

You know, it's funny: I know this is a news "aggregate" site and all, but one moment the stories are how Sony is sunk no matter what they do, and the next minute it's about how people are choosing it over the 360. I ain't a fanboy anymore (I gave it up years ago for lent and I forgot to start-up again), but I have to say that I smirk at all the stories that come in that seem to contradict one another.

[shad0w70]

Well I wanna play everything so I have both consoles. Forza, Halo, Gears of War, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Project Gotham Racing, Splinter Cell, Natal, Killzone 2, Infamous, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, God of War. Fanboys suck! ;)

[Ferretman]

haha if ps3 were to beat the 360 it would have done it already the slim means nothing.

[Ldubbz]

Ben Ben Ben...you still out there trying, Ill give u that.

So lemme get this straight. After years of arguing about how the PS3 was always such a great value to begin with, but for some reason people just didnt buy a whole lot. Now its $100 less and its gonna light the world on fire?

Price cuts are a routine thing in this biz. Ninty and MS are more than ready to do the same some time soon Im sure. And let us not forget the most important factor in all of this. Software.

Make no mistake, with 10 million sold in less than 2 years for Halo 3, ODST is the biggest game of the year, forgone conclusion. Forza 3 also hits this year. Multiplat games, especially MW2, will sell better on 360 as expected. When ODST and/or MW2 drops, and if the 360 is down to $200 for a well-equipped system....you get the picture.

Next year we shall see, but I dont see trends changing all that much. And Natal could change EVERYTHING. Or be a big flop, which I highly doubt, but unlike some more unscrupulous 'writers' out there, i would rather not veil my predictions in such absolute certainty.

[Gorillaunit]

IGN » Games » Xbox 360 » News

Xbox 360 Beats PS3 in Japan
Summer revival for Dragon Quest, Friend Collection and more.
by Anoop Gantayat
August 21, 2009 - Japan just finished up its summer break period. In the gaming world, Nintendo platforms tend do particularly well during this time, a trend that went unchanged this year.

Media Create's top 10 for the week covering August 10 through August 16 saw a resurgence for older titles. Dragon Quest IX took the top spot for the first time in two weeks. Nintendo's Friend Collection continued an upward trend in weekly sales, placing second (a chart from rival tracking firm Enterbrain actually put Friend Collection in first!)

Also notable this week was Wii Sports Resort, which topped the million mark. Monster Hunter 3 continued its approach of one million as well. Last week, it managed to top total lifetime sales of PS2's Monster Hunter 2.

Here's the full top 10:

1. Dragon Quest IX (Square Enix, DS): 127,000 (3,644,000)
2. Friend Collection (Nintendo, DS): 126,000 (728,000)
3. Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo, Wii): 105,000 (1,006,000)
4. Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom, Wii): 93,000 (750,000)
5. SD Gundam G Generation Wars (Namco Bandai, PS2): 57,000 (233,000)
6. Tales of VS (Namco Bandai, PSP): 35,000 (168,000)
7. Puyo Puyo 7 (Sega, DS): 29,000 (109,000)
8. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G PSP the Best (Capcom, PSP): 27,000 (889,000)
9. Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love (Nintendo, DS): 18,000 (51,000)
10. Penguine no Mondai X Tenkuu no 7-Senshi (Konami, DS): 18,000 (90,000)
The hardware race saw slight boosts for most platforms. Even PS3 saw a tiny boost, although the system continued with overall slow sales, presumably due to shortages in the build up to the PS3 slim announcement.

Here's the full hardware chart for the week. Last week's sales are in parentheses.

DSi: 87,936 (70,066)
Wii: 47,732 (47,140)
PSP : 39,882 (33,893)
Xbox 360: 9,162 (5,436)
DS Lite: 7,921 (8,699)
PS3: 5,944 (5,826)
PS2 : 4,907 (4,601)

[kagon01]

the-magicbox.com

Here are the latest Famitsu console hardware sales for the week of Aug 10 - 16 in Japan:

1. NDSi - 86,000
2. Wii - 46,000
3. PSP - 39,000
4. PlayStation 3 - 7,800
5. Xbox 360 - 7,400
6. PlayStation 2 - 6,900
7. NDS Lite - 6,300

[super x]

who's gonna choose the ps3 slim over 360 those who already have a normal ps3???

[g0green]

im more of a xbox fanboy that anything else but i still like the ps3 and some of its features... that being said it seems that there are always 10 ps3 pawns for every one 'xbot' (watever the fu*k that means) on the internet. seems like people with xbox's are always to busy having fun on their consoles to be bit8hing on the internet about how awesome their console really is. how good a console is isnt determined by sales, failure rates (i know 54% is ridiculous), or any other npd data it is about how much fun you have on your system. Ive played lots of both xbox and ps3 and i can say there is just something different about xbox live and the people on their. it feels much more like a connected community although i am jealous of the ps home. but most of all how bout everybody stops trolling the internet and just chills out and play what they spend so much time to defend. heres my views on ps3 exclusives killzone 2- really pretty game but otherwise standard fps the same applies for uncharted 1 being a rpg. lbp-my favourite ps3 game its so much fun- mgs4- i dont see what all the fuss is about, i didnt have much fun and it was kinda unrealistic ( how do you hide a oil drum in your clothes?) and for being free, psn is great, oh and xbl is less than 40 bucks a year so stop trying to exaggerate. thanks

[JJFNIGHTS80]

The only good thing about the PS3 is you can upgrade the hard drive up to 500GB. The Xbox 360 can only go up to 120GB. Xbox 360 have better online service with XBOX LIVE arcades games you can purchase download, the bad thing bout LIVE is you have to pay either 50$ a year or 19.00$ for 3 months to play with friends and play online but their external Wi-Fi is 99$ add that to your 360 it's 399.00$. Other hand, the PS3 is better value. PS3 you get BUILT in Wi-Fi, blue tooth, FREE ONLINE GAMING, all you have to pay is buy money cards from 20$-50$ to download DLC TV shows or movies. Built in Blu-Ray Player. So I have to say that Xbox 360 may have more better exclusive, but with the advantage with the PS3 is upgrade your hard drive with no worries. So that's why I stay with the PS3.

[Midgard228]

better exclusives on 360 huh? lol the arcade games arent good sept for shadow complex and castle crashers, i tried buying more than those 2 games but theres nothing lol.

also sorry but besides halo, gears, fable what are the other must have exclusives?

i just wanna know so i can buy them lol, i work at gamecrazy and cant find anything

also online isnt better, crossgame voice chat isnt worth the price of live. and halo 3 lags 8 players while 32 player killzone and 60 player resistance 2 doesnt lag on same connection, so dunno bout live being better :)

[GCO Gamer]

According to reports, the PlayStation 3 Slim does have solid composition against the Xbox 360, but Sony took along shot with the pricing of the Slim because there's a little system called the PSP Go! Which, I guest, everyone forgot about. With only a $50 difference there's a BIG chance that the system is going to fail. Along with that, how much money will Sony be losing because of the pricing of the PlayStation 3 Slim? That's the question we should all be asking.

However, with that said, what is stopping Microsoft from dropping the price of their system again? Nothing. Because it really doesn't cost that much to make a 360 anymore, it's only like $100 to make the system. Also, when people buy the Slim, they're also looking for games they can play with their family, but we all know that the Wii and 360 may that Market. Also, Sony marketing isn't that good so....

Along with that, again. You play for Xbox Live because of all things you get with it. Alot more free videos, more demos, the list goes on. Did you know that developers have to pay for each demo you download on PSN? I did. But, I'm guesting that now. People want to know about the fail rate of the 360. Shocking, I know. Microsoft has set aside a team to work on that problem. Now, Software. Microsft's 360 has the better Software. There's no way that the PlayStation has better games out then the 360, I know that for a fact.

[Midgard228]

i work at game crazy and people are coming in asking if we r doing promotions for trading 360's toward ps3 slims, they bash the 360 for paying for online high fail rates, no bluray, wifi or internet browser and for laser burning games.

it would make sense people would choose a ps3 when its same price lol

all MS has left is halo odst and reach no wonder so many halo games are coming out latley lol

[Arnon]

God just stop. It's quite clear that you spend most of your time on here to make up fud rofl.

You really cant show us your opinion with the statements you give us.

[360rocka]

I WAS JEALOUS OF THE PS3, SINCE IT COST ALOT OF MONEY

I REALLY WANTED 1 LIKE, 2 YEARS AGO BUT IT WAS TOO MUCH

I STILL LIKE MY X360 BUT I DUNNO IM TIRED OF IT

X360 = NERDY GIRL, FORD FOCUS, SILVER MEDAL
PS3 = HOT GIRL, NICE CAR, GOLD MEDAL

I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR 1 NOW BUT SHOULD I WAIT?

[Midgard228]

wait till uncharted 2 or god of war, there may be a bundle, plus i'd wait to see if theres any probs with the slims in the begining

[hulud86]

$300 is still too much for a PS3 to me. I bought one a year ago but quickly returned because it was just decent but not worth the $500. I'm going to buy the 40GB fatboy, because its not going to be worth anything when the Slim comes out.

[ScoobyDrew]

its is now time to officially start kicking xbox fanboy's in the face... i was an xbox fan at first and now i've seen the playstation is a better all around system the thing that really but me over to sony's side was the 54% fail rate???!!?? thats ridiculous. the ps3 has it all and then some and the 360 is already outdated.

[olLANDSHARKlo]

Guys calm down this is coming from a pro-playstation website, why are we even talking about this. Yes the playstation will probably sell a little better during the holidays, but nothing out of the ordinary.

[111111]

1) Create a website for newbies and foyboys
2) Link to pseudo jounalism blogs by newbies and fanboys
3) ????
4) Profit

[Steyene]

Bubbles and agree, for being a smart ass.

On another note, with out a doubt the Slim will do well. But wont the sales also include the PS3 owners trading up? I mean it wont just be some 360 owners who will be buying on.

Also this thread reeks of irony and hypocrisy. Not to long ago, a large amount of PS3 boys where saying that flamebait articles shouldn't be posted in accordance with the N4G rules. Funny as soon as one favouring them, they drop that line and praise it.

Constancy would be awesome from every party. PS3 fanboys, don't rant and rave when a negative article about a PS3 is posted. As look here there hasn't been that much bullshit calling going on here from the 360 fanboys.

To the 360 'boys. Enjoy your consoles, you don't need to make yourselves feel bigger by failing horribly to rip down a faceless corporation.

[Wisewind]

yeah this isn't much of a stretch at this point side by side at equal pricing the Slim will appeal most to consumers. Going beyond the intial feature sets leads to a more subjective and relative approach which the average consumer will not do.

[-Mezzo-]

I am not saying 360 is a bad choice to go with,i am just saying that PS3 is a better choice.

[EVILDEAD360]

No matter how many times the biggest F-boy Xbox hater sites repeat the sames stuff over and over and over; the Xbox 360 is not going anywhere.

The Slim and the PS3 price cut was a good move, but it won't stop the 360 install base from growing close to 40 million by the end of 2009.

It won't stop the success of Halo:ODST (already at over 600,000 pre-orders) and the rest of the Xbox games dropping this year.

So in the end the PS3 will spike early and sell some harware. The Xbox 360 will still continue to sell hardware and Halo:ODST and the 360 version of Call of Duty:Modern Warfare 2 will be the top selling games of the year.

[Xiedo]

Rally the troops! This is the year of the PS3! Maybe, at least... well, one of these years HAS TO BE.

[monkeys]

299 with all the great features is well worth it. You can no longer say " bu bu the games" ps3 has a great line up. the 360 is just a poor mans pc . It does not have alot of games. it has almost none 1 party games .

[Tunerboy8732]

You get a blu-ray player,bluetooth,built in wifi,1080P True HD support,internet browser,removable upgradeable hard drive and alot of awesome games to choose from.The only reason not to get a ps3 now if you already own one and just want a 360 but who really does.It has a 54% failure rate nuff said...

[jdktech2010]

people who want an xbox 360? I mean not everyone thinks the PS3 is a God among men......