PS3clan solved the new Metal Gear puzzle

Everywhere you can read about Famitsu, Big Boss, the old man, Kojima Productions NEXT and teaser site, Metal Gear Raiden, etc. But nobody seems to figure it out.

But think logic. Picture of Big Boss? Hideo speaks of the old man. It's not Big Boss, it's Solid Snake! Look at his military hat. No Foxhound logo but something completely different. Check out the link for more 'answers'.

[Moo7a-Seven]

only on PlayStation3

[lociefer]

what if this is a remake of snake's mission in zanzibar ?, while raiden is there for messin with our brains ?

[Downtown boogey]

Outer Heaven... And yes! That very well could be Solid/Old Snake, prospectively disguised as Big Boss.

[morganfell]

Here is what everyone seems to be missing. Kojima said the game was on a new system. Yet Famitsu points to the game to be Sony exclusive.

IS IT REALLY SO HARD TO FIGURE OUT EVERYONE?

MGS5 WILL BE TWO INTERACTIVE TITLES. ONE FOR THE PS3 AND ONE FOR THE PSP2.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

PSP has plenty of life left. And why would they announce a game for an unnanounced handheld anyway? Unless they announce both at E3. I can't hit the link since I'm at work but if you can tell me where did you get your PSP2 conclusions I'll gladly read it.

[TheTwelve]

Kojima has made important PSP games for the series in the past. Get ready, folks...Kojima is going to do something awesome again.

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[zoneofenders]

no
in japanese its osan
i have no idea how IGN could translate this into old man......... find some one with better japanese skill plz!!!

[28121986]

check this one out its better and flows concurrently with the image of the teaser

http://n4g.com/events_e3200...

[Sev]

@ Morgenfell,

No PSP2 for at least 2 more years.

The PSP is very much still alive and kicking, and is about to get it's best lineup ever.

[gamesmaster]

i think ts the big boss, if you've read the metal gear database, you would be familiar with this passage. This is a massive plot sequence leading on from the events of operation snake eater (MGS3) take note after he lost his right eye. Also after assumng command of special forces group FOXHOUND.

the passage..

"In 1972, he provided his genes to the patriots for thier les enfant terribles project. Three clones of big boss were created. however, Big boss himself was outraged by the way his DNA was used and broke off from the patriots. he became a lone solidier drifting from country to coutry.
He joined LRRO (long-range reconnaissance patrol) in vietnam and fought alongside SOG (special operations group), The green berets, and the wild Geese. Later, he became a mercenary who appeared in numerous territorial and ethnic conflicts around the world. He achieved near-mythical status. after that, he served as a combat instructor and worked to reintegrate former child soldiers into society."

now that right there is a killer story line for MGS5...

EDIT: on top of that this new teaser picture of the big boss shows him wearing a green beret, which speaks for itself given the above passage. also in 1972, the end of MGS3 he is said to be in his fifties, which to some may constitute as being an old man.

[JayX666]

@ Morganfel

I think Kojima means a new gameplay system(FPS?)the translation seems to have gotten people confused.

[Myze]

@Sev

While I don't know if this game will be for a new PSP or not (I would much prefer a PS3 game), I do know that if there is a PSP2 reveal at E3, it probably wouldn't be out for a couple of years anyway, as is the case with most first revealed info about a new gaming system.

[GameGambits]

PS3: Raiden Game.

PSP: New portable ops game.

Both will share links to each other.

Plot will be around Philosopher's Legacy and where it is after MGS4. Raiden's going in with Snake in his ear to tell him how to get the job done. The symbol on the hat is probably for the organization that Otacon and Snake made(forget the name) in order to stop Metal Gears.

Snake said at the end of MGS4 there's still one thing left he has to do, and I can't think of anything better then to help stop what started most of the MGS plots which is the Philosophers Legacy's money. Without the cash no new power can rise up again to try and make Outer Havens or rule jack sh^t somehow. Snake's old and tired of fighting, but he can't just do nothing about this issue so with Raiden's help they'll stop this mess once and for all.

:)

[kunit22c]

has everybody forgot about this?!?!
http://www.videogamer.com/f...
MGS5 is going to be on PS3, Wii, and 360!
Just look through all the pages.

[Jink]

Here's the thing...

[kunit22c]

Why did i get a disagree? Please tell me.^^ my comment is right above this guy's.

[aaron5829]

Thats not a fact, its wishful thinking.

:)

I didnt click that disagree button though.

[pixelsword]

1. Snake's beard didn't fill out like Big Boss's beard
2. The logo on the hat looks like a prototype logo for Outer Haven

[KAEM7]

I think Jink is spot on about the big boss picture, think it would be either a remake of the original msx version or some other mission from that time (in the mgs universe) probably for the psp

The raiden images in famitsu will show soon on the countdown clock on the teaser site. I think they are about the next ps3 mgs probably starring raiden. (It could also be Gray Fox)

Im kinda hoping i am wrong, i dont own a psp and a big boss adventure on ps3 would be awesome!

[FrankenLife]

Isn't it obvious. It will be on the Wii. A return to the company that Metal Gear first played on. Hideo is going to get on stage, and waggle his snake around.

[Persistantthug]

Is a new METAL GEAR coming or not?

[J@D]

sound like a yes to me, but if a Metal Gear, Metal Gear Solid or a new interaction into the Metal Gear universe it yet unknown.

[BLuKhaos]

So you're confused huh?That's Kojima for you, always fusking with your brain. ;)

[modest-genius]

Solid Snake does not need an eye patch.

[Blackmoses]

he would after his fight with Revolver Ocelot and the whole microwave chamber event.....

[Max Power]

Solid Snake had the fake eye patch over his left eye, Big Boss and that picture on the teaser site has it on the right eye. so unless some thing happened between MGS 2 and MGS 4 to Solid Snakes right eye, temporarily having Solid Snake to wear one on the right, we'll just have to wait and see. but it could be just of Kojima's tricks.

[Timesplitter14]

Solid Snake is so awesome that he can wear 2 eyepatches, one on each eye, and still be deadly in combat

[Downtown boogey]

If it's Solid Snake, it's him BEFORE MGS4.

[Sitdown]

He could have Sagat syndrome........where your eye patch switches based on what side of the screen you are on. :-)

[Uzesgelen_Goo]

hahahaha awesome comment man +bubbles

[Jink]

...doesn't have a blue eye. Big Boss (John) does have a blue eye.

This new game is a remake of the original Metal Gear from MSX console.

[aaron5829]

That it's a story between MGS 2 and MGS 4.

I mean, we dont know what happened there... example, how the hell Raiden became a cyborg.

There are still questions yet to be answered.

and i agree about, snake wearing eye patch on both his eyes, and will still be deadly in combat.

:D

[Madgunner]

Thank you proving them wrong in such a simple way. LOL.. i still think its a remake of the ORIGINALs... but even if i am wrong and they are SOMEHOW right.. it still would be BADASS

[Hellsvacancy]

I gave up over a week ago when the 1st timer expired just 2 reveal a new 1 timer

Give up a just wait man - works 4me :-)

[Timesplitter14]

Dude, there's a friggin picture of Big Boss (or whatever) on the teaser site.

How can you ignore that?

[techie]

They haven't solved anything.

[peeps]

yeh lol "PS3clan solved the new Metal Gear puzzle" is a bit of a bold statement tbh haha they are simply giving their opinion of it.

More than likely, it's just the translation being a bit off

[modest-genius]

His eye doesn't get injured at all, at the graveyard he can still see perfectly.

Plus he's younger in that pic anyway, there isn't a cure for aging. You can't unscramble an egg.

[-x.Red.x-]

this IS metal gear...

maybe snake found a cure

LuLz

[Kattleox]

Very true. And besides, Solid has gray eyes, while Big Boss had blue eyes. And the guy in the picture? Blue eyes. The facial features are more Big Bosses than Solid's as well, especially around the mouth. Solid has a much narrower Jaw.

As for the patch, it is extremely similar to Outer Heavens original logo of the flying skull, and we have to remember that he turned Foxhound INTO Outer Heaven, or rather it became a part of the greater whole.

As for Raiden's picture, only the mechanical jaw is Raideney. The rest fails to resemble post MGS4 Raiden. It may seem like a stretch, and it probably is, but I'm going to hold out on that being Gray Fox, since we really haven't seen a good picture of Null from the Outer Heaven era.

[BigMassacre]

Worst theory ever.

[Millah]

hahaha but wait what do you mean...PS3 CLAN SOLVED THE PUZZLE RIGHT??

[Kurylo3d]

This game is probably going to be when raiden and solid snake together saved sunny. Before mgs4. Why the eye patch, who knows, maybe he is disquised as big boss lol. This games probably going to explain why and how raiden became a cyborg.

[Nelson M]

Snake and Raiden are working together in the Next Metal Gear
And for some reason they need the Enemy to think that Big Boss is still alive
Hence Snake wears an Eye Patch

[talltony]

I told yall! I knew snake would come back for a suicide mission! unless this is set at a different time.

[zaldare]

Some of you who've been listening to the KP Report (podcast) for a long time now might remember the story as to why Metal Gear Solid 2 had Raiden as a main character.

Well if you dont ill tell you, it was during a playtest for Metal Gear Solid where on of the tester was a young lady who kept complaining why the main character wasnt young and kept refering him to a...yes, old man.
(And Kojima talked to the producer and chose to make a young man for the sequel, leading to Raiden, but thats irrelevant)

However throughout most podcasts Ryan Payton & Ken Imaizumi would always say 'Old man' to Snake, even when Kojima guested on one of the episodes he also said 'Old man' to Snake.

[tkato]

I Think she said Snake is ugly and thats why he created raiden... thanks to her we now have a suicidal cyborg ninja thou... anyway this does'nt solve nothing, it can be just aswell Metal Gear 1-2 remakes or more background for Big Bosses history... but I don't think that's snake in the picture... Snake and Big Boss don't look too much like each other, Big Boss is clearly more rugged... but someone should look closely on the emblem on the barret to see if it belongs to the Green Barrets.

[pythonselkan]

Ok guys, i came up with a theory that i think makes a lot of sense..
Raiden saved sunny from the patriots, we all know that.. but we also came to know that SOLID SNAKE helped Raiden in saving Sunny. Later in Raiden's quest of saving sunny, he was captured by the PATRIOTS. Snake's pre-mature aging phase was starting, therefore that picture's character is no one but Solid Snake himself. Everyone knows he looks very similar to Big Boss, therefore he disguised himself as Big Boss in order to fool the patriots in thinking that he is Big Boss himself. Doing this he can easily save sunny from the patriots!

[sinncross]

Why would he need to disguise himself as Big Boss?
This is Snake... he'll go save Sunny/ Raiden/ the world as himself.

[Kurylo3d]

Thank you for repeating my theory all over again lol... even though i posted mine like 30 min before u. Either way, why do i get disagreed on the same theory and u have people agreeing with you... even though we said the same thing :/

[gamesmaster]

yea, its an ok theory but i dont see why solid snake would need to disguise himself as big boss, i mean through mgs4 he's lead to believe big boss is dead (until he sees the body on life support, which turns out not to be him anyway)

i think the picture is of big boss not snake.

[Dir_en_grey]

Solid Snake just had a little cosplay fetish... of his dead daddy... =)

I'm just kidding, but knowing Kojima this might not be so absurd...
Kojima did say there will be no more story on Solid Snake though.

[H0rned]

well!

[j0017]

I doubt this is snake, and all I base this on is something purely aesthetic, he has no scar from the burn he received in MGS4, and his hair is not grey (assuming of course this game takes place after the events of MGS 4). Plus the Big Boss and Snake character models have subtle but easily recognisable differences in the MGS 4 epilogue (which I saw last night having finished the game for another run through because of all this hype of a new one). This to me is not the Snake character model, used in MGS 4 anyway.

[Etseix]

dam i dont believe thats Snake, dont care what all says, Snake cant be in here, <_< .... well if he does, ill buy the game anyway, whit/without him, MGS4 was the end of the saga for me, with the best boss battle ive played, im pretty sure Raiden will show up in this game.. sitll i dont think Snake will

[biggsftw]

but how does he stack up to Chuck Norris?

[atreyu_-]

Becuse the earth, might blow up before their done.

[steck67]

Weli if this is Solid Snake, and it takes place after MGS4, where is his burn mark?

[4pocalyps3]

who said it takes place after mgs4? and solid snake in mgs4 has white hair and is really old. as you can see in the picture. he isnt old and he has an eyepatch which solid snake does not have.

[Master-Baiter]

of the first three with MGS4 engine

[CypH]

awesome

[MriownBOTH]

i hope its not raiden.....in my opinion raiden is super gay

[user858621]

cud b the beginin of snakes aging and raidens transformation

[DaMist]

This is a really simple puzzle. the hints given so far are S e E 3 P R... This = PS3 Re....

It is a PS3 remake of the original Metal Gear. That's Big Boss on the picture and that's why his emblem is different, because it is the emblem for Outer Heaven. Raiden is there to mess with us, that ain't Raiden....It is Gray Fox.

[peeps]

"S e E 3 P R... This = PS3 Re.... "

you have an extra capital E to use :p

[Dir_en_grey]

PRE e3 GS(gameshow)?

[Myth-Psn]

This will be a prequel,possibly filling in the gaps which we miss of snakes experiences, such as before 1,between 1+2 and most likely before he ages to the extent in mgs4 (Prequel)

[JayX666]

I was leaning towards an MGS3 remake. Using the letters you can get some of the words, Kojima has said the environments in MGS3 are no more of a forest than his backyard so maybe he wanted to go back and perfect it? meh i dunno.

[DaMist]

@peeps,

in the translated interview Kojima said that the E was not necessarily an E. So you are right I missed an E...here is what it is...

S e E 3 P R... This = PS3 ReM....

[realdeal]

please mr. kojima just say no to 360!! Dont downgrade the game just for more sales keep it on the ps3

[Tr10wn]

i don't really care about if its 360 or ps3 but please not for psp!!! i can't stand playing things there.... lets just wait for e3

[redDevil87]

i'd like it if part of it was about big boss training raiden to become the warrior he was in mgs4. Imagine your final training mission with raiden, you have to hunt big boss down and defeat him. That would be a crazy boss fight!!!

[Ninjamonkey]

Ugghhh I dont want solid snake again...

Tbh I dont want MGS5 to follow on straight from MGS4...

What I want is either a game between MGS2 and 4.

Or actually a game which goes before MGS3. Id love to play as Boss. The woman who fought in the second world war.

It would be refreshing to go back further than MGS3, a game without all the tech help, something like MGS3 where you can only rely on skill and judgement.

MGS3 was the best MGS game as you really had to be careful with no tech help.

PLUS the GS4 engine is good at having real time battles to sneak about in. Throughout the game you could get caught in a large battle and take out axis troops using CQC right up close.

Awesome. =D

[Ninjamonkey]

You could have the end training big boss a little, and maybe learn more about raiden right at the end with the whole child soilder thing he was in.

(though thats probably a little later on to include)

[twig743]

who really cares what it is, i mean its another MGS game big deal. the games kinda suck anyway. its not like its Gears 3 or something

[Scarfo]

In Metal Gear Solid 4, Naomi Hunter took Old Snake's DNA and filed it on a computer disk. The new Metal Gear Solid will show the clone of Solid Snake! Also, it's not Raiden in that picture, it's Gray Fox.

1) Raiden has Blue eyes not brown. Grey Fox has brown eyes.

2) Raiden has two working eyes. Gray Fox has a damaged right eye, just like it is on that picture!

[img] http://i41.tinypic.com/2elf...

[cranium]

Except that Snake can't be cloned.

[MGS5-PS3EXCLUSIVE]

Why would they go back on technological advancements when they can push it yet again exclusively on PS3.

My name, FACT!

[DMasta718]

It's been said that the new game will be 7 years AFTER MGS4, so I don't see this game being a remake or a prequel.

[JMKILLA14]

I CANT WAIT till E3, anyway what if it is solid snake and they found a cure for the foxdie virus? the cure probably made him young again.

[DARK WITNESS]

I love all the conspiracy talk, but to be honest i could not careless...

This game is going to be Fu*king BADASS !

Can't wait for it, even if it is another 3 years or whatever.

for me, mgs4 was the defining game for the ps3. i bought my ps3 for it and i have to say its been the most satisfying game of all the exclusives i have played on it so far. ( most epic last boss fight i have played this gen! )

[Jink]

...that's not Raiden. If anyone here played the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake from MSX console, you would agree that's Gray Fox (Frank Jaeger), along side with Big Boss (John), and the logo in the beret is a skull from Outer Heaven.
They look different because of the redesign adaptation (better design by graphics), and they look similar to recent characters because that's a trade mark of Kojima recycling he own development elements.

To everybody here: Stop fooling yourselves. This new game is going to be a remake of the first and original Metal Gear. Right after Portable Ops. And we will play as Solid Snake (David) in his first big mission; stopping Big Boss's Outer Heaven. And probably, Kojima is going to mix both Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, into one big game.

To anyone who has the "mysteeeerious" picture of the supposedly old man, look closer, and notice the Skull logo in his beret.

Case solved!

[SpiderPS3]

nice try

[Jink]

Go check the news, I was right.

[SnakeShady]

a MMO Metal Gear?

[Jink]

eeeewwww, No way! F-that.

[SpiderPS3]

I have a feeling that it will play like you play as Big Boss and then you jump through time to play as Raiden in the 21st century, then back to Big Boss and so on and so forth. Then, the stories will slowly start to converge and everything will be a masterpiece of story telling.

[Pika-pie]

This is just getting annoying now. I dont know what Konami are trying to do but they are getting on my nerves rather than getting me excited.

Just reveal the game already

[debuchan]

It's a mask

[debuchan]

It is a mask lol

http://www.konami.jp/kojima...

[mekavali]

okay so this definitly isnt solidus cuz solidus lost his left eye, not right. this cant be solid snake cuz if u look closely at the symbol on "old mans" hat it is definitly tied with outer heaven. and that other pic is definitly not raiden unless he somehow switched eye colors. its most likely GREY FOX (woo) . So only logical explanation is that the next game is based on big boss and outer heaven tieing in gray fox (which he was involved), or hideo making two games with one where raiden changes eyecolor .. which i dont think is the case. therefor this must be a remake of some sort of the very first metal gears. which is awsum

[scr8pt]

not sure what this will turn out to be, but raiden looks like it could be a girl. blue eyes and sweezed eyebrows, like sunny's. sunny was a computer genious so who's to say it's not her in a biosuit.