Next Xbox could be affected by Tekken 6 tech

NowGamer: According to its executive producer, Tekken 6's graphics approach the limit of what the Xbox 360 is capable of, and the beat em up's technology may affect development of the console's successor...

"It is a challenge to fit this game onto one DVD and to make sure the data is read at a fast rate"

[Why dis]

I thought there were already fighting games released that look better and have great animations and run at 60FPS?

This announcement smells funny hope the PS3 version is fine graphically.

[thereapersson]

Why wouldn't it be? The damn arcade hardware is basically PS3 tech, for crying out loud!

[ape007]

the problem is that you are lost,if the whole site replied to you,still you will not understand

you'll never know

that's YOUR problem,deal with it(of course if you aren't joking)

fanmboyism is controlling your mind,your body,your feelings,your instincts,it's sounds like a religion

I see fanboys as patints,cause no matter what come on other system,they will not appreciate it

bash bash bash

this "hate" is a disease

find a cure,you'll thank me a lot,im the first one here on n4g who tries to help you

FANBOYS,both systems are good,get a life,don't put all your natural instincts and forces into that piece of plastic

hear me please "why dis" try to think,to adapt,you are not even relising that you are in a deep deep fall and only getting worse,you are a human,you have a brain,you are intellegent,that's a disgrace to yourself,respect yourself

Im not saying "hate 360 love ps3" no this is wrong too,love 360 as much as you want or ps3

I wish I can develop a multiplat game that cure fanboyism.enter thier minds,because this is a bigger problem this gen that the last

wake up

[Doctor_Doom]

I don't think there is an ISSUE with the DVD size especially with a Fighting game just take a look at Fallout 3 .it runs and looks better than the PS3.

Its All about Programing

[Pennywise]

The game is on arcades with PS3's inside them. Xbox is old tech... dated...

Good job with the bubbles... This guy doesnt deserve one.

[m0sand]

1.7 - JimmyPage:
I totally agree, Fallout 3 is much better than the PS3.

On topic though, Microsoft already knows that DVD limits what the system/games can accomplish nowadays. Now don't even try to argue against it. It's the truth.

[edhe]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Try reading, not dreaming.

[ThanatosDMC]

Try saying positive things about the PS3 for one day... I wonder if you'll still get tons of disagrees in one comment. Also, i wish i saw your comments before the mods deleted... you sure are funny!

[jammy_70]

better looking fighting games what?

why dis if saw you in the street i wud knock you out cuz your a bell end!

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

All Hype ,the last game that was a good 3d fighter was soul calibur on Dreamcast!!
Since then nothing else has been revolutionary in terms of next GEN!
Only DOA was close with its amazing muti tierd evironments and African surroundings and animals! but lacked interaction and polish and more depth(and RAM) we need a brawler slash fighter that utilizes BLuray and a large breathing world like Killzone 2!!!
Fughghk Street fighter !!Im talking about a world of fighting ! A sports arena the size of NBA 2k and with that much life!! and access!

[Masta_Killa]

The announcement of the 360 version pissed me off. Not so much that it's gonna be on xbox, but now the PS3 version is gonna be weaker because they wanna keep it on the same level as the 360 version.

[RememberThe357]

Yeah, what the hell is that crap? Last gen no one cared if the PS2, gamecube, or xbox versions looked similar. Developers were making games look as good as they could on each system.

Where the hell did this "make the game look the same on each console" thing come from?

[memots]

So what console is slowing down development now?

[Ninja-Sama]

Divide the game into 3 DVDS! Like 1/3 of the characters for one disc and the other 2/3 for the other two discs! So in arcade mode all you have to do is insert disc 1 or 2 dependent on which disc the character is on. Just have to remember which characters are on which disc tho...

Man I should develop games for the 360 too!

[ssipmraw]

the only problem with that logic is that if you stuff up a disc you lose one third of the characters...

[specialguest]

I think Ninja-Sama was being sarcastic. haha

[Nicolator]

i really dont get what the big stupid fuss is all about .. wait a sec think about this... a developer u make an engine based on the ps3 architecture, and want to make a game for the 360 as well.. OFCOURSE it the result wont be the same or would lag behind.. gezz dont i have to mention UE3 which is closer to a pc 360 based design or other games that have been made for pc tech they look not as good on the ps3 but the ps3 is equally a strong machine e.g FALLOUT 3,RAINBOW 6.. .i can go on. and on...

So u look at tekken 6 or games like killzone 2 whos engines have been made from the ground up for the ps3 THAT is y the look so gd on the console coz its maximize what it has and drops what it does not need its calculation is different from teh pc and 360 if ppl wanna compare both console in their truest might... MAKE an engine based on the xbox360 to max out all the juice and if it does not come on par with the ps3 then we can say oh ok the dev point is true but if they make that engine for the ps3 and try to force it on the xbox360 ofcourse u wont get the same result ... true that the xbox360 is soposed easy to dev for .. but if u wanna get the same result from 2 def tech with a bias engine..(made for ps3) u dont get the same result ... its just simple as that..

But i gotta agree with the size of DVD 9 its limiting the HD level in which games can get on the 360 and if they wanna go any higher they have to go multi disc.. which would not really make sense for a non RPG game

dont worry i am not no fanboy for the 360 i have a ps3 and hav been playing kz2 like hell just got a general rank sniping ppl like b*tiches..

[ps3d0]

Either they are just bragging to be braggin or they suck at programming cause Tekken 6 isnt push the limits of anything. The game doesnt even look that good compared to other games that have been released this gen

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

131 disagrees LMFAO! Clearly you don't know that Tekken 6 was built around the Cell's architecture.

[Why dis]

Virtua Fighter looks great in graphics and animations and doesn't have online multi-player because it runs at 60fps.

LOL 133 disgrees for saying that?

No game look better than Tekken 6? nor have the same quality of animations etc?

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

LMAO

Tekken doesn't look next-gen its not like the 360 versions of all the fighter on the market were the under dogs :)

I don't blame devs though I think they found out saying things like this is the only way to get PS3 fans to buy Multi platform games. They did it with DMC4 and GTA4 etc.

http://screenshots.teamxbox...
http://screenshots.teamxbox...
http://www.1up.com/media/03...

http://screenshots.teamxbox...
http://screenshots.teamxbox...
http://www.1up.com/media/03... looks like a high rez Xbox game and the other the better version of Virtua Fighter 5.

Looks like they shouldn't be talking about Disc space?

[jeseth]

*sarcasm*

[LoVeRSaMa]

Another Ex-exclusive Gimped, thanks again microsft.

[Gun_Senshi]

by THE KING OF IRON FIST TOURAMENT 6

[thereapersson]

Can't wait to play this one....

[Yi-Long]

... and TBH, the graphics didn't look all that special. I don't see how it would cause problems, apart from perhaps lazy programming.

[DelbertGrady]

"and to make sure the data is read at a fast rate"

The 360's DVD drive streams data at a faster rate than the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. That's why some games have installs. A weird statement.

[Game13a13y]

huh huh, i'm sure you guys know better than the oh... i dunno, the developers themselves?

[Chris399]

Pretty sure that DVD doesn't read at a CONSTANT rate across the disc, whereas blu-ray does. That might be what he meant.

I loathe multi-plat games and won't be picking this up in any event.

Be a gamer, not a brand loyalist PSWii60 ftw!!!

@ Kushan. It's just a personal preference, which I'm entitled to. If I'm paying $70 + tax for a piece of software, it had better damn well be optimized for whatever system I'm playing it on. I've been burned by multi-plats too many times this gen: Mirror's Edge, POP, Silent Hill 5... I could go on and on. I'd rather just play exclusives and wait until the multi-plats hit the bargain bin.

More resources dedicated to a single platform game will in most cases yield better results than the same resources split across several consoles.

Again, it's just my personal opinion/ take. Exclusives > multi-plat (please don't cite aberrations like Too Human or Haze, those are exceptions). Exclusives also support developers and hardware manufacturers and there are plenty of other consumers gobbling up multi-plat software, so I don't see myself harming the industry, I'm just supporting it in my own way.

Being a "gamer" doesn't mean rabidly snatching up every piece of software that is released or hyped to Holy Hell. It's about playing games that suit our individual tastes. I've always had a small to medium sized library of quality titles, almost all of them being exclusives. That's what works for me.

Peace.

P.S. Based on the information provided, I'd wager that the "constant reading speed" thing is important in using the motion blur effect while maintaining 60 fps (see the article at hand).

[Erratic]

Damn, you were faster than me, but yes, the fixed read speed is a big plus, the bigger a multiplat game becomes,the slower it is read by the 360.

[Kushan]

"I loathe multi-plat games" to "be a gamer"?

Unfortunately, it's not easy to make money on just ONE platform these days, development costs are simply too high, if you want to "be a gamer", support developers by buying their games - multi-platform or not.

I'm sure Tekken 6 will be a great game on both machines, I'll certainly be looking into it.

Edit: Also, the whole "constant read speed" thing isn't as big an issue as some people are making it out to be. Why would a FIGHTING game need to constantly stream lots of data once the fight has begun? It's not like it needs to stream lots of level data or anything. Worst it'll do is affect loading screen times and we've yet to see a 360 game take significantly longer than a PS3 game to load (depending on installs or not).

[mmj]

"The 360's DVD drive streams data at a faster rate than the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. That's why some games have installs. A weird statement."

Not weird at all.

With BluRay data can be read across the entire disc at the same speed, whereas with DVD access speed varies depending on where on the disc the data is located.

This means that if a game has 6GB of data that all needs to be accessed quickly at some point, they will have problems with the 360 in that although 3GB of the data can be read faster than on PS3 the other 3GB will actually be read at the same speed or even much slower, so I imagine too much mission critical data and this inconsistency is the problem.

Disc access speed is generally not a problem on PS3 because as you pointed out it has a HD as standard.

[SixTwoTwo]

I've played the Tekken 6 BR arcade and it looks and feels amazing.

4 anyone living in the L.A. area that doesn't already know, the Super Arcade in Walnut has T6BR =)

[DJ]

And yeah, Tekken 6 is Awesome! I get my ass beat down a lot, but I just need to practice more. Bloodline Rebellion is definitely a big improvement over the original version.

[Bucky Sligo]

Blu-Ray reading at a constant rate doesn't mean it is generaly faster. After all, it's the PS3 games that needs installs while Xbox360 games don't.

[ThanatosDMC]

Wouldnt installing the game on the 360 solve this problem?

[JokesOnYou]

Any dev who complains about ps3= Lazy dev
Any dev who complains about 360= He's a dev so its a fact
Dave Shippy lead dev for IBM's development of the ps3 3 Cell CPU and 360 CPU say while their architechture and programming models are completely different the end result in performance is about equal= Thats not possible, sony said its waaaay like 100x's more powerful, the lead dev for for both CPU's doesn't know what he's talking about!
http://www.maxconsole.net/?...

lmfao, then in classic n4g style we start this console power debate, yet nobody here including me have dev'd ps3 or 360 games, we get what little knowledge we have from devs and those involved with the process. Now of course some act as if the game will some how be "dumbed down" for ps3, ha ha when the guy himself says that the games graphics engine was designed to run on ps3 architechture and they wrote code specifically optimized for ps3 already. His main issue with 360 was fitting it on DVD? wtf? This is a fighting game right? OK, sure....also quote: "arcade board based on the PS3's architecture, replicating the its high graphical fidelity on the 360 - at 60fps - has been very challenging according to Harada."= so in other words making the translation from ps3 tech to 360 tech has been a difficult for him. Other than the DVD size nothing he says suggest 360 reaching its limits and his DVD comment would be more reasonable if this was a sand box game, also his comments related to porting is more about his own issues/capabilities than 360's limits because typically what we've seen from other devs, they actually say going from ps3 to 360 would be easier, and honestly from what I've seen of this game the graphics aren't even close to mind blowing. My personal conclusion is this a little bit of truth filled with alot of hype to promote his game, we've seen this before, I could be wrong though.

JOY

[DJ]

PS3's twice as powerful. Everyone knows this already, even if a few individuals refuse to accept it.

[TreborRversed]

@buckey

main reason you will never see any compulsory installs on 360 is due to the fact that not every xbox has a hard drive so the developers have to make a game with that in mind

[Trebius]

Uhm...ill try to put things into perspective for u.

If you're a company that distributes car engines...and assuming there's only 2 car developers out in the world, you develop a brand new engine for 1 company that's completely different than the other company's and more powerful, but hard to maintain cause it's a new breed.

And for the latter company you use the same template for engines that youve been using for years and it's still powerful, but not as powerful as the NEW one you developed for said company...

If you're questioned by the press or ANYONE...you cant show preference because thats' just proper business etiquette.

If you say one is better than the other, everyone will go for 1. If you say they're both the same, you remain neutral, and business goes on without your interfering with any business' cash flow.

Long story short, IBM helped both companies, and to come out openly and say THIS one is better than THAT one, will hurt relations with Microsoft, and in the long run would effect future business with them.

DONT BE STUPID JOY.

[Yi-Long]

Hmmm... judging by all the disagrees I've received, it seems some people here took my 'lazy developers' statement as a dig against the PS3, which it wasnt. Hell, we (my girlfriend and I) have every console and handheld, and like/love them all.

What I meant was exactly what I said: I've seen the game up and running in Hong Kong in an arcade, and the graphics aren't all that special compared to other fighting games like DOA4 or Soul Calibur 4 or whatever, which run fine on the 360.

Personally, I couldnt care less for which system the game will be better. If the 360 version is the best version, I might buy it on 360, and if the PS3 version is the best, I'll buy it on the PS3. Simple.

I'm just saying I don't see why this game would cause the 360 any problems (and I know it probably won't cause the PS3 any problems, as the arcadegame is pretty much based on the same engine that would be used for the PS3 version)

But hey, nice going on that comprehensive reading, fellas(!)

[likedamaster]

"main reason you will never see any compulsory installs on 360 is due to the fact that not every xbox has a hard drive so the developers have to make a game with that in mind"

Actually, no. A console game is supposed to be able to run off of the disc alone, unlike a PC, or it wouldn't be console gaming!

By the way, read speed doesn't get any slower than 2X, generally speaking.

[JokesOnYou]

@ DJ: Yes as I have said on occasion before the ps3 is more powerful in terms of raw horsepower, I'm not suggesting otherwise, even when you take Dave Shippy's comments if you want to get technical he's not even saying they are exactly "equal", he said "fairly equal" which all by itself means one IS in fact at the very least a little more powerful than the other.

Now the only thing Iam suggesting like most non-biased (not from sony or micro sources/devs) tech comparisons I've read have said is that; While ps3 is more powerful in raw power, the overall performance of each machine is again "fairly equal", on a pratical level when applied to gaming simply because based on the architechture design ps3 isn't as efficient as 360 in terms of developing games. You see the CPU's power alone isn't the only factor when making a game, and therefore when you include other aspects, one being the GPU which favor 360 and other factors as well, the end result in general is that the overall performance or what you will actually be able see and do in the games themselves won't be much different, depending on talent and money of course. You say theres no debating that theres a huge difference in performance between 360 and ps3, what is your background? lmfao, You can say whatever you like; The LEAD DEV of both CPU's and many non-biased sources say something different. So forgive me if I don't believe a few annonymous folks with avatars on n4g. In fact the only ones who believe you are the usual folks on n4g, the rest of the world have common sense and tend to believe people with intimate knowledge of the facts like Dave Shippy.

@ Trebius, -lmfao too bad your whole rant is pointless since Dave Shippy no longer works at IBM, he recently made these comments and he is currently the Vice President of a completely seperate microprocessor company named Intrinsity.
http://www.intrinsity.com/i...
http://stars.ign.com/object...

JOY

[evrfighter]

"I loathe multi-plat games and won't be picking this up in any event.

Be a gamer, not a brand loyalist "

That's not contradiction to the extreme...

[Chris399]

And you cut off the "PSWii60 ftw" part too. It might also help if you read the 5 paragraphs following the introduction of my post for clarity before simply spitting out a response.

I can be a gamer without purchasing every mutli-platform game that hits the market. It's what I CHOOSE to purchase. That's the beauty of a free society, you can play the games that you like and I can play the games that I like. There doesn't have to be an argument about it unless you decide to create one.

I don't like mutli-platform software. For me, the quality is just not there when compared to the price (in the majority of cases). It's a personal preference. That is all. You can go about your life playing mutli-plat software till you're blue in the face. Personally, I'll rent it or pick it up once it's under $20.

I'm an adult and I can respect that your purchasing/ lifestyle decisions are different than mine. Strange that you can't seem to grasp the same concept.

[jay2]

So in other words, a PS 3 exclusive gets f'ed again. That disc comment worried me the most that indicates to me that features for the home versions will be scrapped...........

[heroicjanitor]

Raping the ps3 version again so that the 360 can play it... It makes me sick. Why do they both have to be the same? They don't drag the ps3/360 version down to the wii's level do they?

[TheTwelve]

Japanese developers have done all kinds of stupid things for Microsoft money this generation. It's probably a part of a Microsoft-created-clause that both versions must look the same.

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[Kushan]

What makes you think they're "raping" anything? On previous console generations, everyone played to each console's strengths, so why would it be different here?

[Sitdown]

or why it matters....they are talking with regards to the 360 version...nobody said anything about the ps3 version being lowered for the 360.

[TreborRversed]

I agree with sitdown, the dev has already said that there every chance the ps3 version will look better due to the fact its the lead console and it is what they have built the arcade version on

[commodore64]

Does that mean the inferior ps3 version of SF4 doesn't count?

If anything, it is the ps3 holding the industry back.

Come on guys. Stick to the facts.

[PirateThom]

Bare in mind, the arcade version is running on PS3 hardware. It could be an indication that porting a game from PS3 to 360 is harder than some people want to believe unless allowances have been made for multiplatform.

Final Fantasy XIII will definitely be revealing.

[El_Colombiano]

Oh I can't wait to see how bad FF 13 comes out on said console.

[jay2]

Oh god yeah, it will be because
A. you can loose up to 42GB odd of space (ok, more likely about 17GB if their working on a 25GB Blu-ray disc,
B.loose 4 cores from the CPU.

[Kushan]

Jay2, that statement proves that you don't actually know anything about the architecture of both consoles. You could have a million cores and still have a painfully slow machine.

1 360 CPU core != 1 PS3 SPU

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"1 360 CPU core != 1 PS3 SPU"

You are right Kushan, a 360 CPU core can't even process graphics. A PS3 SPU is very powerful to be compared to a CPU core on 360.

[Kushan]

No it's not, the SPU's power lies in the fact that there's 7 (well, 6) of them.

[Pennywise]

Kushan, ill informed people like you are the reason this site has torn gamers apart. 1 SPU can handle many different aspects of a game (Graphics, textures, animations, AI) While the core in the 360 can not do graphics. You come out with your statements like they are factual.

[shelbygt33]

The fact that 3 people agreed with you and nobody has disagreed only validates why I rarely visit N4G anymore.

People here spew half-truths and have no clue what they are talking about, but fanboys agree with them and take it for the truth.

Sad.

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional multi-core system, and you've got three PowerPC cores, each of them having dual threads -- so you've got six threads running there, at least in the CPU. Six threads in Xbox 360, and eight or nine threads in the PS3 -- but then you've got to factor in the GPU," Shippy explains. "The GPU is highly sophisticated in the Xbox 360."

He concludes: "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal, even though they're completely different processing models."

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

[pwnsause]

they dont call the PS3 a unified Rendering Machine for Nothing

NOTE UNFIFIED RENDERING: RSX+CELL= graphics on par with High end PCs of today >>>>>>>&a mp;a mp;g t;Xbox 360 graphics

the 360's Hardware is not setup the way the PS3 is set up. Thats why you see Lazy Noob Developers complaining as to why the PS3 is set up this way without realizing that. thats why the PS3 is proven to be powerful, but to obtain that power, you have to develop on the PS3 first and think how the PS3 reads code.

[shelbygt33]

I am not doubting the PS3 is a powerful at handling certain tasks. I own one, and I see that with my own two eyes.

But please don't make it sound like the 360 contains a somehow obsolete chip in it.

[Omega4]

Seems like the only way to hype games these days is to say that they are pushing the 360 to its limited, getting pretty pathetic now

[BIGBOSS08]

seems like these days no one actually believes what the developers say and make up their own bull$hit ideas.

[El_Colombiano]

When was the last game on 360 to blow everybody's expectancies out of the water graphically? I'm thinking November 2006...

[Omega4]

The only reason you guy care about graphics so much is because you want to validate your £300 console

Not everyone is a graphics whore like all of you if they were games like Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy would be rated so highly and sell so much

I bet when the original Xbox was out and it showed off all its great graphics you were like 'WOW i gotta get that game the graphics are awesome' right?

[dj55555555]

why did rockstar have to cut chunks out of gta????? oh yes because of the xbox same with id's game Rage, the new command and conquer so its not all about graphics we are also loosing game content because of the xbox.

[El_Colombiano]

"I bet when the original Xbox was out and it showed off all its great graphics you were like 'WOW i gotta get that game the graphics are awesome' right?"

Actually, I got all the Xbox "exclusives" for PC as it has the best graphics, and online, as I do with the 360's "exclusives". Either way that was a horrid response. Fact is the Xbox 360 has not shown any potential since....I'm going to say either November 2006, or November 2007 with Mass Effect. Then again I am playing both of those games on my PC at 1080p 60fps. There really is no reason to own a 360 as I can play all of its games on PC with the help of a below $100 GPU, and NOT have to suffer with sub-HD games....yeah I don't have to name it.

And, buddy, believe me, when you own a PS3 and its games that you CAN'T get ANYWHERE else, validation of purchase is the LAST thing you will EVER think about. Then again you wouldn't know, as your still trying to validate your purchase, albeit the horrible hardware and poor line up of games coming out exclusively. Also, by looking at your avatar, it looks like you are enjoy Nintendo's Miis, aren't you?

I await your mediocre response.

[Mr_Bun]

I think Omega loves the abuse...that is why he keeps coming back for more.

[Omega4]

There is a reason PC game sales are falling, barely anyone does it anymore. Except for MMO games and the one or two rare exclusive games

The MAJORITY of people would rather play games like Mass Effect and Gear of War on the console they were DESIGNED for while watching it on a nice TV with a controller for the console it was designed for.

"poor line up of games coming out exclusively" Well from what been announced SO FAR of 360 games not playable on the PS3, appeals to me a lot more than anything out or coming out on the PS3, so that comment is utter crap to me

"I await your mediocre response." Wont bother add that since you've already done it twice

@Mr Bun

I think i might just stick to the PS3 threads from now on since the 360 ones are alway full of Sony's little N4G army

[dj55555555]

well its nice to know that the game developers are in our army too because they are the ones saying the xbox is the reason for cutting content and is at its limits.

[Mr_Bun]

Let's get something straight...You aren't being proverbially spanked due to your console of choice...it is due to your intellectually challenged remarks.

If you could wash the fanboy out of your hair, you would notice that I own both the 360 as well as the PS3 (like many of the people you have run ins with).

Quit blaming your inadequacies on Xbox hate!

[Why o why]

ha ha .....true

[Pennywise]

Yeah omega, there are no xbox problems. It doesnt break, it has a bunch of great games coming, it hasnt hit its graphical cap, they dont charge to play online with the $60 games you just bought, it doesnt eat your discs, dvds are big enough - no need for new bigger medium.... I have no idea where these people get these complaints from. Bunch of liars that want hits... Can you believe how low people stoop to bad mouth the xbox because they hate the fact that there is a successful American company in the gaming business. MS treat their customers like gold... irreplaceable!!! We can not let sites like this bamboozle us any longer, we must stand up and fight the powers with force! All 360 owners must unite and get the truth out, let these people know of the falsities being spread by Sony and their hired staff of thugs!

OK - I cant do it anymore... I might get stuck in permanent sarcasm if I keep it up.

Omega, when you come up with a good argument that is worth a serious response, let me know.

[Major_Tom]

C'mon don't be naive, the Xbox 360 is powerful but the competition has the upper hand.

[Bucky Sligo]

PS3 supporters shouldn't bring up GTAIV, it runs at a lower resolution on the PS3 than the Xbox360.@ El_ColumbianoIf you like to play games a year or more after it's released on the Xbox360, then sure, an xbox360 is not "needed". It's just strange seeing people buy Bioshock on the PS3 since they where supposed have played it on PC already. It seems like your view is part of a small minority.Also, here is a list of games you can only play on the Xbox360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... quite a long list

[likedamaster]

I'm with Omega and Bucky!

[evrfighter]

This thread pretty much confirms to me that console fanboys of today are like the pc technical gamers pre-crysis. They only built pc's and bought games that were the best visual games on the market. They completely missed the point of gaming altogether.

[frayer]

Guess the 360 is inferior... once again....

[Frederickandre]

Every game that is released for the Xbox 360 from here on out will push it to its limits because it is "Bleeding Out" dying a slow death (R.I.P Xbox 360 R.I.P).

[thereapersson]

Omega4 & PoG / WhyDis have arrived in record time to spin this article right around. Thanks for the entertainment, guys!

[Dimitri]

I thought Microsoft said that they are making games that look much better than Killzone 2. So far 2 developers said that the 360 reaches its limits... Its no surprise that Microsoft is planning better games than Killzone 2 for their next XBOX.

[talltony]

But uncharted 2 and killzone 2 devs say that the ps3's spu's are used 100% but those game are not simple 3d fighting games like tekken and there is alot more stuff going on in those games.

[Dimitri]

Uncharted 2 is supposed to be 100%
Killzone 2 is 60% from what I know.

[Arnon]

"Uncharted 2 is supposed to be 100%
Killzone 2 is 60% from what I know."

Naughty Dog themselves stated that Uncharted 2's graphics will be the exact same to Uncharted 1.

Guerrilla Games stated that Killzone 2 normally uses 60% of the PS3's power, but at some points they said that they actually use 100% of it during certain situations. Which doesn't surprise me at all.. the game is a technological achievement.

[rbrtchng]

http://playstation.joystiq....

Wells admitted that "As far as the Cell processor and the SPU's are concerned we were only using about 1/3 to 1/2 of the SPU's at one time and so there is still quite a bit more we can do."

[Arnon]

"As far as the Cell processor and the SPU's are concerned we were only using about 1/3 to 1/2 of the SPU's at one time and so there is still quite a bit more we can do."

What does that have to do with the fact that they ADMITTED that it will look exactly like Uncharted 2? I never said they couldn't do better, as I would hope they COULD.

I said that at some points, Killzone 2 reaches 100% of the PS3's power, as stated by Guerrilla Games.

[Dimitri]

"It is a challenge to fit this game onto one DVD and to make sure the data is read at a fast rate"

Now you see the advantage of blu-ray ?? or does someone needs to hammer it in your heads ?

[LONEWOLF231]

The Blu-ray advantage is there clear as ice.
Another game that is gonna suffer due to insufficient disk space on the 360 is ID new game "RAGE", main man carmack said it himself. IF MS wasnt so pig headed and used HD DVD as their main game format MAYBE it would of had a chance due to video game sales and none this lack of disk space BS would of been an issue.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

@2.1: In the latest OXM the developers confirmed nothing is being cut from the game for the 360 or any console due to disc space.

[LinuxGuru]

@ GEC

That's called damage control.

[commodore64]

It is a well known fact that the 12x dvd in the 360 reads data quicker than the Bluray in the ps3.

Sorry.

Please, let's all stick to the facts.

[Erratic]

Well, it's not so strange if you know anything about technology.
A single-layer DVD is faster than a blu-ray because it has a variable read speed whereas blu-ray is fixed. However, if the DVD is dual-layered, or even worse, dual-sided with dual-layers, then the read speed is below that of the fixed speed of the blu-ray.

[razielsonofkain]

... insert disk 3

[dalibor]

Just remember the inner side of the dvd is read faster than the outer data of the dvd. Not sure on the exact speeds though.

[OOG]

I hope that they finally do something good with this series....its sad but I think the best one was 3 and since then they havnt done anything that has truly interested me

[Ebi]

I wish that the 360 utilized HD-DVD as a medium for their games. It's too early to speculate whether the 360 version of the game will be "gimped" (hope not).

Solely in terms of medium storage capacity (and I'm not going to involve GPUs and Cell in this point, so calm down) the PS3 has the edge - hard drives are a standard on all their machines and Blu Rays have higher capacity. DL-DVDs require compression and not all 360s in circulation have hard drives, thus they do not have the ability to install their games.

It's up to the efforts of the game developers to make it happen.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I don't think it's the fact that it's too early to speculate whether it's gimp or not. I think the problem lies with the fact that it's becoming increasingly difficult to put everything the developer wants on the disc without sacrificing something. It happen in GTA4, it happen to RAGE, and only more titles will continue suffer in the future. PS3 owners will end up taking a hit because of the whole "equalness" of multiplatform.

One can only imagine what would happen to a game like FFXIII for the 360.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Just use a fourth disc for Heihachi and Kazama. I'm sure that'll work.

Somehow.

Maybe?

Oh wait.

Oops...

"As Tekken 6 was developed on an arcade board based on the PS3's architecture, replicating the its high graphical fidelity on the 360 - at 60fps - has been very challenging according to Harada.}"

What would be funny is if the PS3 version ends up being garbage, so Harada will have a lot to answer once the game comes out.

How sad that this game was delayed due to multiplatform issues.

[Pennywise]

Why would it run like crap on the PS3? Do you not understand what you copy and pasted?? The game is DONE for the PS3, but stupid MS probably made a deal that they have to release on consoles together.... so what we are waiting for is the game to be ported to the xbox.

Dumb movie, IMO. I want this game 2 years ago. Tekken5 just doesnt do it for me.

[Bucky Sligo]

*puts on PS3 fanboy cap
Harada is lazy and untalented! He's not good enough for the Xbox360!
*takes off cap

Sounds familiar?

[DarkSniper]

Tekken 6 is a further example of Sony's bold statement of next generation starting when PLAYSTATION®3 says so. Dark Sniper has been preaching the gospel that the Xbox 360 ecosystem has too many limitations and is a hinderance to the advancement of next generation technology.

Microsoft's banal strategies have been well documented and well noticed. But to prevent developers from realizng their true vision is a travesty that must be solved. Instead of Microsoft spending funds on actually bringing games to their platform, they are now using their financial capital to persuade developers to simply promise that their game will be made on their platform.

Developers being blindsided by the thought of monetary advancement throughout this economic crisis easily succumb to Microsoft's offers, only to find out that they are porting a game to a system that doesnt offer much more disk storage space and technological muscle than PlayStation® 2.

Final Fantasy XIII is another victim of this same predicament. Microslaves should be dragged under and shot for the belief of their console actually being able to produce the magic and flair that PLAYSTATION®3 provides.

$niper

[Dimitri]

What a speech, you should read this out on the next E3 :D

I giev u bublez menz ;D okas ?

[Helghast Slayer]

All hail the great Dark Sniper. Dark Sniper knows best.

[Blu Ray3]

A.K.A. Dark Sniper...account #40.

Bubble yourself up,and also answer yourself with different accounts.......
weirdo.

[Arnon]

"Microslaves should be dragged under and shot for the belief of their console actually being able to produce the magic and flair that PLAYSTATION®3 provides."

That's just wrong. And the "magic & flair" is subjective to the person. How about, instead of thinking about shooting people and watching things die... you can go and play video games and enjoy them. And possibly, go outside once in a while and talk with people. Being cooped up on N4G has turned this man into a full blown killer.

[jay2]

Does Nanco know something we dont?

[XPC HARDonE]

I guess this means we have the best graphics and the next big 360 FPS will be in 3d and every shot I take will cause me real injury.

This generation continues to amaze me.

[UltimateIdiot911]

It's not harder to program for, it's harder to optimize for because of the lack of space and the fact it uses a DVD.

[Sitdown]

or at least the topic. We are talking about what a current generation game will cause to happen with next generation.

[Sin-CityGamer]

...but... buhh... buttt... buttt TEHHH blue rayyy its not selling.... its not needed...its not important.... oh noes...

/sarcasm

[Mr_Luke]

"Tekken 6's graphics approach the limit of what the Xbox 360 is capable of" ....
What??? O_o Really, or Tekken is so great and huge (graphically speaking) or maybe...
So there will be a downgrade (and for PS3 too) or we'll have a superior version VS a downgrade (360)?
It depends how much M$ paid probably, we'll see.

[Pennywise]

Ive seen statements that they wont downgrade. Tekken6 is in arcades running on a PS3 inside the arcade box. I will not spend a dime on this game if they downgrade it for the PS3 in anyway.

[Karum]

Not been interested in Tekken for years so I couldn't really care less if the PS3 version is dumbed down or the 360 version sucks. I wouldn't be buying it for my 360 anyway, reasons for this should be obvious (D-Pad).

[Arkham]

Thanks for stopping in to contribute nothing.

[Zorik4]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
Soul Calibur IV is stressing Xbox 360 in ways Namco-Bandai has been unable or unwilling to match on the equivalent PlayStation 3 code. For one thing, the game is running internally with a whopping great 40 per cent resolution increase on the Microsoft console, with a native framebuffer of 1365x960 versus the standard 1280x720 on the PlayStation 3. The Xbox 360 version also has an extra layer of lighting effects completely absent on the PS3 game
For its part, the PS3 game offers an optional installation to hard disk - weighing in at 2.6GB and taking a not-inconsiderable 14 minutes to complete. A 20 second 'Tower of Lost Souls' load drops down to a mere five seconds, up against the same data taking 10 seconds to stream in from the DVD drive on the Xbox 360 game. In basic one-one-one versus matches, the 360 game is a match for the HDD-installed PS3 version.

[DJ]

To make up for lack of anti-aliasing? Clever move, but still not totally effective.

[commodore64]

Nice post Zoric.

It really looks like the ps3 is holding back the 360, not the other way around.

The problems seen in ps3 framerate problems, screen-tears, blurryness and aliasing are legendary.

Even most recently the ps3 could not match the 360 quality of street fighter 4, either.
It seems the trend continues.

I always feel a bit sorry for ps3 owners who got duped by their inferior games, after having paid $500 for the privilege.

[Mwaan]

They could design the game around a full install, which would eliminate load times and could include an extra disk with all the extra backgrounds etc. I don't understand their concerns over the graphics. Soulcalibur IV looks way better than Tekken 6.

[divideby0]

Blue Ray...will be needed for future games.....

[Kouzmich]

Besides what "version will look better" any one actually waiting for this game ?
I know I am. Tekken is my only fighting game.

[MGRogue2017]

This game is pushing the limits of the Xbox 360 because it can't fit onto one disc..?

LOL give me a break, disc space has nothing to do with what the console can achieve.

[PirateThom]

Last I checked, the optical drive is part of the console.

[Pennywise]

"LOL give me a break, disc space has nothing to do with what the console can achieve."

And your comment is proof that thinking has nothing to do with what words can say.

[TreborRversed]

Huh, are you serious,

If it has nothing to do with what a console can do then why even bother using them at all, why didn't Sony and MS just forget them all together and use the power of our minds to run the games on

[Fakes]

Xbox 360 is just an outdated dvd player, get over it. Multi discs is so last gen.

[Sitdown]

I continue to see bluray movies that ship with more than one disk.......Hmmmm

And yet....my SFIV Collector's edition for the ps3 has more than one disk.

[xaviertooth]

tekken 6 crappy ps3/360 version confirmed!

thanks xbox360, u garbage console! burn to hell!

[Fakes]

What do you think games in the future will be getting smaller.You must be a 12 year old halo kid for thinking that way.

[DJ]

It's got an amazing motion blur system that adds a lot more impact and realism to the graphics. And the developer definitely has two big concerns with porting to the 360.

The DVD drive doesn't read data fast enough (since they can't rely on a Hard Drive for caching/installing), and the 360 itself just isn't powerful enough. Hopefully they're able to keep the motion blur system in for the 360 version, 'cause it really does add a lot.

[IncredibleGames]

Thank god the only fighting series I care about it coming....i could give a damn about street fighter

[taco_tom237]

this is y ps3 is better

[Elginer]

believe this bullcrap for a second. But whatever.... HAHAHAHA

[tee_bag242]

I had a hard time believing this was coming to 360 to begin with.
Regardless, the game was essentially designed on ps3 architecture. Hence, I can understand why its causing them trouble.
I'v played this game at the arcades many times and wouldn't understate the resource required to run it at 60fps at 1080p, not only that, but also the amount of detail and post processing effects used. Realtime post processing is PS3's forte...wait for it...yes, thanks to Cell

p.s. I'm aware 360 can manage depth of field - but that alone is so 2006 ;)

[Godmars290]

Yeah, really, I got nothing.

After all this time, the game being announced before either console was out - a f*cking fighting game - and they're haveing problems fitting it onto a DVD?

wow...

[Arkham]

Sounds like the motion blur will be more faithful on the PS3 version, but the 360 fanboys will say their version is better because it's not as blurry.

[nycredude]

This is just bs fud by the developer trying to hype their game up. I don't think a fighter is ever going to push a consoles graphics capabilities, whether it's xbox 360 or ps3, maybe the Wii.

[Helghast Slayer]

Keep quite fanbrat. I'm sure the developers know a hell of a lot more than anyone on this junk of a site.

[bobdog626]

I think that the PS3 version of Tekken is done and they are trying to port it over to the 360. That would be very hard to do don't you think.Now if it was the other way around they would not have this problem.

[Pennywise]

Oh bob... your lack of knowledge does not surprise me as much as your willingness to just say it.

Devs have moved over to leading on the PS3 because it is easier to port to the 360 form the PS3. Optimizing for the cell chip is not easy in a port from the 360.

This game is complete for the PS3.... the 360 is stopping a release. I wish they would just push a port out quickly and release.

[Foxgod]

Do you have some backup that proofs that the ps3 version is already done ?
You really should not make up stuff, you cant win an argument with hot air.

[Pennywise]

Foxgod thank you for supporting my theory that you know absolutely nothing but still have the urge to comment. Tekken6:BR is currently in the arcades... in the arcade box lies a PS3 running the game. So there is your proof.

[Foxgod]

Wow, your so smart.
PlayStation 3-based System 357 arcade board, thats what the arcade version runs on.

Do you know what that means?
It means similar to the ps3 architecture, but in no way compatible, they still have to port the game to the ps3, not to mention that the console versions will have additional features, and those are being build atm, for both the ps3 and the 360 version.

The game is by no means done already for any of the two consoles.

[DJ]

"Just because the Tekken arcade system is PS3-based does not mean they can run it on a PS3."

Wow dude. Just wow.

[Foxgod]

Another drug pusher, so if something is optimized for Intel, its also optimized for AMD processors ?
Their both X86 processors, but according to your logic, everything works equally on both right ?

Ps3 based means that the arcade board has a similar design as the ps3, just like an AMD and an Intel processor do.

[Socomer 1979]

you just got hit with the reality factor.

when namco says xbox360 sucks youve got big problems.

choke on these nuts xbums.

xbox360 cant produce what the ps3 does in its sleep. oh god, the horror! did you really believe xbox360 wasnt just a toy for tots?

[Arnon]

The PS2 couldn't produce what the Xbox did in it's sleep and look at which one was still better.

Ironic, isn't it?

[Foxgod]

If that was such a big problem they would never have announced it multi.
It was supposed to be an exclusive, this article holds no ground.

[DJ]

Shipped a few weeks late for the PS3 version, and it turns out the developer didn't have enough time in the first place. Their publisher forced them to release the Alpha version of the game for PS3.

They really needed 6 months more to test the game, put into Beta, and then finalize it.

[Foxgod]

Yeah, only in this case the published and the developer are the same guys.

[souljah]

but but but but ... the xbox ! :|

[uHuRu]

uses PS3. watch this vid

[Foxgod]

Its been confirmed to use system 357 arcade board, the ps3 in that video is prob. there for promotional purposes.
That doesnt mean the game is finished for the ps3, it most likely a port of XMB running on the system 357 arcade board.

[DNAgent]

It's like choosing between a turd with sprinkles and just a turd.

[Helghast Slayer]

Except the non-sprinkled turd leaves a sour taste lol.

[Major_Tom]

Yikes, I read your past comment history. Taking what you say very lightly, not completely sure how you got bubbled up from five.

[TreborRversed]

bubbles up mate for making me laugh LMFAO

[kickaski]

I like Tekken, so it's like manure which fertilizes very well.

[ironmonkey]

360 reads cd faster cause its lower resolution just like when previewing videos online u have a choice to watch in HQ or LQ u choose HQ takes longer to load LQ its fatser but looks bad :)=360:D

[smturner68]

Obviously, this developer just is LAZY, or is too dumb to figure out the xbox 360. Because it's so much more powerful because I said so.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HEARD THIS?!

Now, that rationale is out the window.

PS3 fans hear what they want, and when they don't they make excuses. But those excuses only work for THEIR side of the story.

PATHETIC.

Oh, here's another. WHO CARES?! Tekken sucks anyway!
Heard that one before? Mutliplatform games suck. It's all about exclusives! How about that one?

he he he. You guys love to pat each other on the back. It's pathetic, and y'all know it.

Damn, really, the fact is, there are SO MANY games out now, that it's hard to buy all of the good ones. I have to put Tekken on my long list of things I have yet to buy. I still have 14 ps3 games, and over 125 xbox 360 games, not to mention the Wii games that I never get around to playing. I can tell you, that if the ps3 has an advantage, it's a very small one. So far, I love both consoles, but I have way more friends on xbl, and my sister also has xbl, so I'd rather play with them online than a bunch of folks on psn, that I don't know, and that don't have microphones.

The xbox doesn't has as much to worry about as you all would like to believe.

[na2ru1]

Tekken 6 will sell more on the PS3. Doesn't mean I thing to a ps3 owner but usually creates bragging rights for 360 owners.

"sales seles seles" thats the ticket for ya.

[Mister_Dawg]

Well there have been some people saying the 360 cores can't do graphics while the PS3 spu's can. It seems most people here are quite young and don't remember the days of pre-3d graphics cards on PC's, or AMIGA home computers or speccy's or C64's..................

The last time I checked, graphical operators were just mathematical functions which any cpu can be programmed to perform. The reason why 3d cards took off on PC's was to perform these functions a lot faster. And along came a certain 3DFX card for the PC.

There also appears to be confusion to the speed at which a circe (talking about CD, DVD, Blu-ray here) spins around.
All of these are the same shape right? So therefore all are subject to the same problems with physics. The outer most tracks of the discs have to spin faster to keep up with the inner most tracks, simply becasue they have a greater distance to travel in the same length of time.
360 DVD games place the most critical parts of the game code, textures as far out on the disc as possible, to make best use of the faster read speeds.
The same would happen for PS3 and blu-ray. However, because data is so highly compacted on blu-ray, Sony had to lower the spin rate on early blu-ray drives and hence all subsequent PS3's have to be the same, because too many read errors were occuring.
It's all swings and round-a-bouts for DVD and blu-ray. Yes 360 can stream off data faster, but only when reaching the outer tracks. Yes the PS3 has fast streaming speed due to the highly compacted nature of blu-ray, but because of the slower spin speeds, has to wait an eternity to read data from the outer tracks.

[Gitaroo]

``data is read at a fast rate``

basically mean mandatory install for PS3.

[BigBad316]

People keep going on about the install option on PS3 Xbox would have done the same but the hard drives wasn't big enough and 50% of xbox don't own hard drive with their machine. only now are the hard drive on the xbox360 are big enough 120gb 60gb is really 50gb, and they are thinking about have an install option like PS3. Game on Ps3 Usually have quicker load times the xbox360 if programmed right

[OGharryjoysticks]

And honestly I figure the next system will be influenced by another engine, but not Tekken 6 because everybody knows that's basically a simplified version of PS3, and Microsoft isn't going to bite that hard.

[neogeo]

What the developer is said was

"It is a challenge to fit this game onto one DVD and to make sure the data is read at a fast rate," Katsuhiro Harada told X360. "It is essential to utilize the 360’s functions and strengths to the fullest in order to accomplish the same goal. I believe that the data and experience gained during development may affect development of the next iteration of the console."

1. 360's DVD runs 12 megs per second on a single layer DVD.
2. on a dual layer DVD is runs slower at about 9mps the same as PS3's Blueray
3. He said he is having trouble fitting it on a DVD.
4. That means they are using heavy compression.
5. Compression slows down data rates even further!
6. They can use a install or cach to the HD to speed up the PS3, that can not be done on 360 do to owners of the arcade models, or they would not be able to run the game.
7. the game runs at 60FPS so even though its a fighter its hard to pump out 60fps. It looks and runs much better then SF4 witch uses low res pollys.

Any more questions? or is the does Tekken 6 producer have no clue and should come here to N4G to learn from the famboys vast knowledge?

[Mister_Dawg]

Just a quick note.

Compression of data has no effect upon data rates being read from the DVD.
The actual physical data is no bigger, no smaller on the disc medium. The DVD surface hasn't changed in any way.
The slow down, if any, is found in the cpu when it has to uncompress the data to its original size. Understand?

Furthermore, if you do some research, you will find Microsoft has some very efficient compression routines.

So perhaps you take a step back before insulting people on here next time.

Good day.

[NateNater]

If its such a challenge then why did they even do it? Is there really anyone with an xbox360 out there who is dying to play tekken 6? If there are, go get the system it was meant to be on if you want to play it so bad. All this is doing is pushing its release date back farther and farther. This game didn't really need to be on xbox360 n e ways. Tekken has always been a strong Sony exclusive and I think all Microsoft does is steal exclusives from Sony, thus delaying Sony's games.

[TreborRversed]

Can I just say on that, the actual dev said they brought it to xbox because of how many people requested it. Yes i own a ps3, but does it always mean tht just because a previous sony exclusive becomes mutiplat tht automaticaly mean MS paid them to do so

[Ldubbz]

Im not quite sure what they are talking about, since the 360 has the superior version of SF4, which blows Tekken 6 out of the water as far as I am concerned.

The only thing i can gleam from that is the game was optimized specifically for the PS3 and they have to successfully port that code over.

And the space issue has to be taken out of context. There is no way in hell this game needs more space than a DVD. Is this game even native 1080p?

[Frederickandre]

Just about every game that comes from here on out will push the Xbox 360 to its limits because it is "Bleeding Out" and dying a slow death (R.I.P Xbox 360 R.I.P).

[likedamaster]

Spam much?

[anubis12]

tekken sucks anyways street fighter is where it is at...

[air1]

gtfo

its a damn fighting game. not much going on other then 2 guys fighting and a back drop.

fighting games dont have much to it other then fighting they all barely have a story look at sf4..

a fighting game that needs 50 gigs of space lmfao..

[silverchode]

calm down.

[themyk]

ur right it doesn't need fifty just needs m Ore than seven or eight

[Aceluffy]

Yup ! That's me ! I've been playing Tekken since PSX days way back then, I still remember how happy I was when I can chain King's throwing moves, but I'm not here for the sake of nostalgia. Right now I'm really pissed off about Tekken 6 coming to 360, because I know for sure that the quality is never gonna improve much. It pains me to say this, but I was not impressed at all looking at the trailer I downloaded from PSN, the graphic looked really mediocre and then it hit me, of course ! It's multiplat now ! I know that the game is released on arcade way earlier and some Xbots will say that's how the game supposed to look like. Again, if you have time, look at Tekken 5 DR from PSN, it looked waaaaaay better from the PS2 version and yes, it's the same game with enhanced graphic and 3 new characters, so PS3 can definitely make Tekken games look better. Come on, I couldn't care less if they do this to any other game ( Yeah ! Even FF franchise ), but please not the BEST 3D fighting game ever !
Tekken is one of the main reason I bought a PS3 in the first place, I mean look at the first Jin Kazama trailer with the sweat and everything, I was just blown away and I thought the in game graphic is gonna be awesome. But now I guess we just have to settle for less....man...after seeing K2 graphics, this game is gonna be a let down, i just know it. Well, I hope the gameplay is still fun though. I'm just stating my dissapointment, no flamebait intended. Peace !

[smturner68]

but, you are delusional about this game's potential.

Name ONE fighting game that looks SO MUCH better on the ps3? If they want to look like KZ2, in a fighting game, then they better work on their lighting engine. That's really the most special thing about KZ2. If you think that if, without having to 'dumb down' the game for the 360, that they'd have magically made it to look like KZ2, you are VERY delusional. So far, really only one game looks like KZ2, and that's KZ2.

I admit, KZ2 looks great. But, really, it's the ONLY game that looks that good. If it had come out on 360, some people would've just complained and said the ps3 WILL look better. Reality, it seems, is subjective.

[Thoreau]

my 360 fainted.

[PHOSADRA]

Yeah now people finally see why blu ray is needed in gaming.
The xbox has too many limitations making it harder for developers to make a more advanced game even though it is easier to program for.

Seems to me like those who develop basic games prefer the xbox while those who want to actually make a tru next gen game take the time to learn how the ps3 works.

[N4Garbage]

This game doesn't look better than Virtua Fighter 5.... nuff said.

On to the next story.

[paracardium]

The guys doing ghostbusters and redfaction are saying the same thing...360 is holding back ps3..I guess it's a good thing we get great exclusives.

[NateNater]

@ 16.1

Your right. But, if Sony loses an exclusive to MS, they should at least release the Playstation version first. After all, the Tekken 6 arcade units run on the PS3 interface anyway.

[youhear]

Xbox is a joke. They say they are better but wen u look at it they really fall short and make excuses. Well guess they will keep getting crappy games and their games pirated. While the PS3 will just get better and better as the days go on. They havent even gotten to the the disc that can hold 300GB. Again Xbox crap PS3 top of the world MA.

[-PINNER-]

This is what will continue to plague the 360 when PS3 is the lead console.

[Maisay]

They didn't say the console was limited. Their comments are specifically towards the DVD drive. 360 still has a few more years in it. Who seriously thinks that the next Tekken or Soul Caliber after this one won't look and perform better?

[jack who]

um then why does it look better on the 360?

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

They've only shown gameplay for the PS3 version but keep telling yourself that while you suck on Vin Diesel's penis.

[jessehaysfl]

another FLAME WAR POST

[Ps_alm3k]

Xbox 360 is preventing developer from developing next gen tittle...????

[rjgbyrne]

These developers try there best. Xbox is fine, DVD is fine and so is PS3. Xbox uses the 2xAA for better or worse it is slightly more appealing ans if the developers are trying to say Tekken 6 is any harder to develope for they are talking out of the arses. I actually think it is a good thing that Xbox has only DVD or our games would be flooded with FMV because of Blu-ray, thats cheating in my book and developers needs to stck up if they make a game for a system its the systems graphic power people prefer to see, not FMV like alot of multi-ports. PS3 can handle it just as Xbox can, lazy developers deserve not to sell units if thats there answer. Namco, get working or be outdone in this recession!?!

[Aceluffy]

Without having to worry about the limitation on 360 version, the dev could go all out in all aspects of the game, hence the result can be a K2-ish quality but in fighting genre. I realize it's a far fetch to compare games with K2 so let's just say that GENERALLY PS3 exclusives have good quality almost in every aspect ( Except Haze and Lair ) I just wish Tekken 6 could fall into that category, but by becoming multiplat, it's highly unlikely now. I appreciate your take about the delusional part, but like I said, I'm just stating my dissapoinment. Nothing delusional about hoping for something that could be better, hell it's been proven by PSN, more awesome contents and keeps growing every week. Delusional will be thinking that PS3 will get Halo and Gears of Wars. Anyway, peace to you man !

[Narutone66]

since Xbox 360 is using a last gen optical drive (DVD). The game will be pirated like crazy from various torrent sites.

[jeenyus]

Namco seems to have become lame.Tekken is still my fav fighting game,but DAMN.. it does look like piss,especially when you think it's coming late this year,2009 !

WTF is wrong with these people,how can a low quality (gfx) game cannot fit a DVD9 ? Gears,Mass Effect,RE5,COD4 fit on a DVD9 and a fighting game with 2 chars on a screen,with some really low poly environments DON'T ?

I'll get it since I played them all since Tekken 2 and it's the only fighting game I can play anytime,moves just happen,easy to remember...but am seriously dissapointed with the graphics.

[gameman]

that proves you don't know what your talking about the pic's of all the gameplay you have seen is only the PlayStation 3 ver of the game and even FF13 all are PlayStation gameplay no 360 sorry that you have to hear that but they didn't even begin to work on ff13 for the 360 yet