Guerilla Games: No Decision Made Regarding Controls

In a seeeming U-Turn, Guerilla Games have chosen to clarify their position on the most controversial subject that has surrounded KillZone 2; the control/aim sensitivity.

Despite previous articles submitted as news, Guerilla have never out right rejected the idea of releasing a patch to tweak the XY sensitivity as they emphasised they would look hard at feedback from players. That feedback has come to a resounding conclusion - the controls are an issue to a significant amount.

Read the forum posting to read their intentions.

[Meus Renaissance]

Personally, shooting at some from a distance is reasonable fine and managable but it's when the range becomes close that it becomes ridiculous and purely luck. Turning around whilst firing and trying to avoid the shots from an enemy right behind you, whom is too struggling to turn quickly enough, is damn right almost impossible to master. Your speed of thinking and the speed of the game are not in conjunction, you are essentially thinking too fast which makes you shoot too early, to late to hit the target.

I accept that this was intentional from the developers. I have adapted to the game and can enjoy it largely, but I don't like the sense of having no to little control of my fate in the game when it comes to certain scenarios such as the one above.

[darx]

It appears that Faith No More are planning a reunion tour. That makes me very, very happy!

[MicroSony4Life]

If the controller aren't fixed (I fine nothing wrong with them) what will be the fate of the Multi.

There's a reason why people still play Halo and COD (Not comparing them to Killzone 2) because majority of the people that play those games like the control. If we were to do a survey with every one that played Killzone 2 and asked them if the control mechanics of the game is fine, I think the majority would vote to change it.

Because when it comes to it, the game could have the best graphics in the world and have tons of features but if the control is more a task to control, gamers are willing to give all that up.

[gameplayer]

if people want call of duty controls then go play call of duty. This is Killzone 2 and this game uses killzone 2 controls. The crybabies that are used to being on the top of COD leader boards need to adapt or get used to being on the bottom of killzone 2 leader boards. I like the controls as they are.

GP

[original seed]

I want to play Killzone2 "Gameplyer". I just want more responsive controls. "Meus" hit the nail on the coffin. That is a big problem and its down to luck at some points. It just sucks not being able to execute ones intentions.

[yamamoto114]

When you pull the trigger of a small firearm, does it take 200-500 milliseconds for it to spit out a bullet? In very rare cases and with certain weapons, yes. If properly maintained, no. It will fire instantly.

I also know for a fact that I can respond faster in real life with a pistol than I can in Killzone 2. It does not take me an entire half a second to aim my weapon 45 degrees to the right.

Before anyone goes and yells "it's not lag, it's realism", guess what. It's neither. The real term is "controller input delay", when it takes the game a split second to recognize when a button has been pressed. And that's a sin in any game that relies on timing to complete tasks, especially one that's "aim and shoot".

Yeah I know a lot of you are gonna say they did it intentionally for realism, but in the end, artificially hiking up the difficulty by making controls difficult to wrestle with is a fundamental flaw in any video game. One's ability to play the game should be judged by how quickly their mind can respond, not how quickly the game can respond to their mind.

[Statix]

Extremely well-put, yamamoto114. In real life, a soldier will move his gun to his side instantaneously, if he suddenly spots an enemy to his right. There will be no half-second delay to the start of this movement. And there will be no "physics inertia" governing his arm's motion where it slowly "accelerates" from slow to fast as the soldier has to react as quickly as possible to being flanked by an armed hostile.

To all the defensive fans who say that those voicing their opinions on the controls are "just grasping for a reason to bash Killzone 2," you should realize that most, if not all, of these people are PS3 owners and fans of Killzone 2, who have PSN and Playstation Underground accounts, and they all want the game to hopefully GET EVEN BETTER with future patches. They want the game to be perfect in all respects, and that includes having responsive controls that befit a triple-A, instant-classic online game that people will love and play for years.

[bviperz]

No, a real soldier does not 'move' his rifle instantaneously on a target. You probably have never carried/used a real rifle, or you wouldn't have made/agreed to such a notion. If you think for one second that a soldiers movements with a rifle closely resembles that of a video game, than you are sadly mistaken. A soldier depends on tactics, cover, teamwork, and the fact that there is no such thing as twitch reflexes on the battlefield to win. Just like Killzone 2.

[jammy_70]

and the multiplayer is amazing!!
there is a little slight lag (when you tap to turn left it doent do it STRAIGHT away) but its only a 0.1 second lag lol

this game is better than anything on 360 :)

[UnwanteDreamz]

No doubt but these guys think combat is like what you see in the movies. How about asking a real soldier how fast he can come out from behind cover to get a headshot at 100 yards? Takes me only a couple of seconds in KZ2.

Oh and if you want to move faster lvl up and use boost with the assault class. Any faster and you will miss the battle.

[dragunrising]

I don't understand the complaints about the controls. I have no problems myself. In real life, your aim shifts when you move your weapon side to side. The shift and accompanying delay is dependent on the weight of the weapon and how fast you move your aim. There is a delay in everyday movement on account of momentum. Your person and weapon has mass that can't simply turn on the dot. The larger the weapon the longer the delay to ready the weapon. Try running with the rocket launcher, stop, and turn 90 degrees to fire. Then try with the pistol. You will get my point. In COD, your aim (reticule) is always where you put it regardless of your movement. In summary, Killzone 2's aim has more to do with where your arms lie in x, y, and z space relative to momentum.

Personally, I think people are fighting against the physics. Twitch shooting is more difficult as it should be. Killzone 2 is a hardcore game made for the hardcore. Love it.

[DragonWarrior46534]

I thought the controls were fine. Its the guns that piss me off. Im trying get the repair skill and I have to use the engineer, but the only gun he can start off with is a shotgun. It seems that I have to shoot somebody 2,3 or more times to kill them and I die from one bullet even if I have full health and even if its not a head shot. I know its not because I suck because I dont. I actually had a 105% shotgun accuracy though it did go down to 97% yesterday, but I also earned an award and trophy for being in the top 10% players of last week. I have video to prove my award. I will make a video of my gun accuracy if anyone doubts that too. BTW Im known as DA_SHREDDER on the psn.

[xabmol]

Top 1% >8]

I got it after my 24 hour play session. Addiction? xD

I really enjoy the slower pace in the MP. It's more tactical and less run and gun. Makes you think before you act.

[Socomer 1979]

ive mastered the controls and i have a system that allows me to shoot very well in very close quarters. (Except with the helghan pistol)

see my previous post on the subject.

[Guitarded]

Does a knife have the same weight as a rocket launcher? NO. Except in Killzone 2. The controls do not feel realistic, they feel sloppy. Fix the controls, or suffer from weak sales. Your choice GG.

[jBat17]

if the controls are broken, then why is the sniper rifle as responsive as the ones in other FPS? because the controls are not broken.

you just don't have the skillz. go play cod4 with aim-assist doing everything for you.

different guns control differently in this game. if you want spray and pray, go for the SMG. wait, scratch that, without skillz, your bullet spray won't hit anything- like the one scene in pulp fiction

[Fishy Fingers]

I've also done a U-turn...

I complained about the demo, still believe there was a problem at least with for some people, myself included. But the retail is perfect, no "dead spots" or any other fancy labels people have gained from reading to many forums.

The controls are tight, manageable and easily learnt. Sure there is a learning curve, as there was with COD4 when first released. Dont recall everyone demanding Halo controls then. With a little practice you'll be popping off heads as easily as you did in any other previous FPS. I've put about 35 hours in the MP, and I was more than comfortable after just a few. 4-1 ratio, top 1% online :) Happy days....

[Mindboggle]

I agree, there is a slight learning curve, but due to people bumming COD they dont want to learn anything else, and the first sign of something different they complain.

The controls are brilliant and with a little persistence you will killing with ease, and for me the lag and sensitivty complaints are due to people being crap, and not putting enough time and practice into it.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

There is nothing wrong with the controls . If a few idiots can't adjust to the controls there's other games that they can play . I love the controls and tweaking it will pissed me off .

[LiquifiedArt]

People need to get over it. Learn how the game feels and get good. The people complaining are the people getting stomped!

[MicroSony4Life]

When i first played the game it felt a little strange but got use to it after awhile.

If you want COD or Halo controllers go play Halo and let the people that enjoy Killzone 2 continue to get better at it.

The people that are complaining are the one's that are use to wining and don't like the fact that some noob can come in play Kill zone for a while and be good at it. Practice makes perfect.

Kill zone 2 is it's own game so please dont't compare is to all the otheR FPS.

[ballsofsteel]

just play the game hell i admit i had problems when i started but after beating the Single player and getting a total of about 20 hours into KZ2 it doesn't even bother me anymore the game controls are slow not laggy as some would say and it's intentional meaning you have to think careful when to jump out and always cover your back. realistically think if some surprised you from behind would you realistically be able to turn around and fire in the time it before he could fire and kill you? no that sort of stuff happens in more arcade type shooter like cod4 which is fine i'm not saying it's bad but KZ2 was build to be a more team oriented, tactical game you need be careful as you move, cover your flanks, and work as a team. I personally love the controls now cause it really promotes teamwork

[OGharryjoysticks]

Having the weapons have a sense of weight makes the whole experience a hell of a lot more believable than typical video game aim. I hope they leave the weightless floating guns for games like Call of Duty.

[va_bank]

I've been playing it since Sunday - I don't see anything wrong. Sure the controls are not as twitchy as COD4 or R2, but I never once felt I was killed because of the controls.

I'd say people should accept this, but if not - whatever, majority rules. As long as everyone gets the same set of controls. I'll get used to either way.

[jrsenkbe]

I knew that the controls were different, so I started my campaign mode on Hard from the start, ad it makes a difference, try that or practice using skirmishes. There is nothing wrong with the game, its a tactical shooter, not a run and gun shooter. Why do you think there are squids and no points for assits?

[HDgamer]

I prefer them, I beat veteran with these controls and it was fun.

[ballsofsteel]

the entire SP on vetern wasn't too hard but the end was so fricking hard cause rico kept dieing

[DJ]

And realize that a large percentage of the people complaining about Killzone 2's controls don't even own PS3s and are just spreading FUD. The controls take some getting used to, but they're not difficult by any means.

[Blitzed]

I really hope GG isnt influenced by this crap, I personally like the controls. I hated the auto aim of COD4.

(+bubbles)

[Meus Renaissance]

That's BS purified

[Chubear]

I WILL BE PISSED!

If the CoD4 crowd dont' like the controls then there are a boat load of other FPS just like CoD4 they can play. Don't keep trying to be make every shooter a CoD4 for *acks sakes.

[tordavis]

It's not COD4, stop trying to play it like it's COD4. Burst fire is the key folks. Also, find a weapon that suits you. I'm on light machine guns now but the starting weapon still works the best for me.

[Blitzed]

It takes a little getting used to but its worth the effort. This game takes skill; if you dont want to put in the time, play COD4.

[UnwanteDreamz]

TorDavis is right burst fire is the key. I almost have my headshot fetish badge because I try to never use more then a 1 to 3 round burst. People need to test the weapons at different distances using very short bursts. Once you hold that button down over four rounds you are not going to hit anything unless its luck. I can get a head shot with the light machine guns from almost the other side of most maps using short bursts and iron sights.

[theoneb]

You know what? For all the people that didnt know the red dot sights in the real army, real life, or green dot sights in killzone, game, are not designed to be used for targets closer than 50 yds. Nor in any training was i taught to use my sights when engaging a target that close.
I dont know if GG researched this but it is obvious that you are pentalized for trying to look down a sight for a headshot when someone is that close.
I have never played a game that actually factored that into the gameplay. It made me really think before i shoot like when im doing a mission. While in Iraq patroling and clearing a building you actuall look over the top of your sight not right down it. Any and every soldier that has ever been in a close quarters firefight knows this.
My advice for the people not getting the cotrols is to practice aganst the CPU in skermish on the hardest difficulty. Once you get confident with your ability to win one on one battles aganst them you are ready for online.

[Ps_alm3k]

but have the ability to turn it off...
SO when you create match, you can put it on or off.
That is simple...Im fine with the controls.
but i can use a little more speed as in who i'am.
I'm not some big fat dumb kidd carrying a heavy gun...
I can turn faster then that in real life.
So GG if you do it you will only please fan.
If you don't, you already have. so plus plus.

[bonesmccoy]

I've never had a problem with the controls, but then I don't expect every game to have the same 'feel' to it.

[JuJuRMJ]

I have no problem with the controls, sure I had to "learn" them just like I did in my previous FPS titles even upping the sensitivity up a little like I also did for Killzone 2. I for a while now have no issues with them as I'm killing people left and right. It can be tricky up close but that's because people tend to start spraying and then your aim gets uncontrollable, just be patient up close burst firing and soon you'll be dropping mo-fo's. The game is an absolute blast and I hope the controls stay the way they are but if GG decided to patch controls that feel similar to COD4, Halo, R2 then fine, but I'll stick with the control feel that was meant for this game.

[JuJuRMJ]

Keep them as they are I am fine with it. The controls have a bit of a learning curve and I believe maybe people do not want to learn them and want this to play similar to titles past. I just upped the sensitivity a little. Dis anyone else do so or did anyone leave the sensitivity to default in MP?

[Alcohog]

PLEASE do NOT change the controls. I'm sorry if you suck at controlling KZ2, if that is the case then go play something else. The feel of this game is great and the controls are part of what makes the gameplay so much fun. Please Guerrilla, do not listen to these chumps. *prays*

[blink3020]

I agree completely with the very first post. From a distance the controls are fine but when it comes to CQC, it is ridiculously hard to hit someone. And don't just say that it requires skill because it's not just skill. It's luck and maybe a tiny bit of skill. Like I've been saying over and over, it shouldn't be that hard to kill someone from a few feet away. Someone is probably going to pull out the, "It's realistic" BS. Get over yourself, that is NOT realistic.

[talltony]

their is a severe lag in killzone 2. It did not bother me in the campaign but in the mp it is almost unplayable. I can shoot from a distance just fine but some times if you see someone first and dnt kill them they can turn around and kill you. Guerrilla has to patch this. ANnoying controls should have nothing to do with immersing the player. All im asking for is a responsive right stick to aim easier and ill be happy. no matter what anyone says their really is a problem and it needs to be addressed!!!

[maverick1191]

they wont change the controls jeez all they need to do is make it more responsive and its complete they dont need to change the layout why would they do that

[trancefreak]

yes i agree but for now i feel you have to move your body and gun into the shot rather than just swinging the gun which of course feels different

[Yomiro]

This games is so realistic, the vibration on the control adds a very realistic recoil effect that if you just shoot like crazy your aiming is going to go all over the place this is at closer range. From a distance you don't shoot like crazy you do one or two shot or small burst. Right?

[tordavis]

If they change the controls to suit the noobs, I'll return the game.

[Guitarded]

This game just came out. Everyone is a noob. The controls suck. Get over it.

[mboojigga]

They are not planning to change the controls. They are looking to add more options to the controls. So more options better for the issues some users are having. You don't have to change your controls

[naiku]

can those whinners stfu? Fukin dumbasses who cry over the controls, go fukin change the control scheme, there are like 6 different ones... UGH!!! starting to piss me off

[LeGenDx]

its fine..

[Blasphemy]

Now that I have played the game more the controls are not really that big of a deal but it is kinda slow to turn around. I think the guns have too much recoil. I am putting this game on ebay. There are games with better controls out there. Once you have had better it's hard to go back to something that is not as good.

[DNAgent]

I guess all the noobs came into Killzone 2 thinking the controls would be exactly like COD4. Now a lot of them are starting to cry about unresponsive controls (when if anything it would be your TV).

There is nothing wrong with the controls and only the people who suck at the game are the ones complaining about the controls because other people won't post articles and topics saying "Wow I love these controls!". So the people who are crying about the controls are the ones being vocal about it while the people who know that there isn't anything wrong with the controls are the ones in the game Killzowning noobs as they blame their 1 kill/51 deaths on controller lag.

[redsquad]

I'm fine with the controls.
I'm crap at online multiplayer - I mean, REALLY CRAP - yet I've ranked up to Colonel in just four days (around 6 or 7 hours online in total). If even I can manage it...

But, if they change them, I'm fine with that too - If it gets more people enjoying the game then I'll be all for it. Either way I will adapt to whatever system is presented to me and enjoy a bloomin' cracker of a game.

[bviperz]

Nothing pisses me off more than a bunny-hop-to-prone-head-shot. GG is just keeping it real.

[doshey]

omg dont buy into the bullsh!t produced by these cod butt lovers, GG dont have to edit perfection, these controls are good, and if you dont like them just keep giving it a try, still dont like the way the controls are, then go back to cod, killzone dont need complainer like you to ruin a great game like this

[Thoreau]

but still managed a top 6% badge. i have about 12 hours of online play, and i don't like the turning speed of the crosshare. far to mid range is good, but once you are close up, you have to fire from the hip. there is also a slight bit of lag online. i have headshotted numerous shotty runners and they would kill me first, then fall dead from a headshot from my assault rifle. to counter this, i would not mind a little bit of auto aim. i have held an semi auto assault rife before(s-k) and there is no slow movement when you turn. regardless of the final outcome, i will never stop playing killzone 2

[SH3MRON]

If they wanna make money they need to make a game for the mainstream gamer and not just a few hardcore gamers. The other two successful franchises made just that good game tight control. If you want an FPS for hardcore gamer go to the PC and get Crysis or CS.

This is the shoot the ps3 needs to get back on track and start dominating the market like before and not end up like sega. And if people haven't hear Sony is doing very badly in some divisions and they need to milk everything they can.

If people think that because you want the controllers to be better then you are a noob then make them better and if you are still a "hardcore gamer" you should be a lot better and kill the noobs.

I haven't played it all that much I'm kinda ok with em still getting used to but I wouldn't mind if they changed them a bit...

[PattyWacker]

honestly I got used to the controls in 5minutes. Changed it to Alt. 2, and started going great for hours. Simply bring a patch with Co-op, and ill be happy. My friend wanna play too:P

[SH3MRON]

Its not the mapping of the control but the sensitivity and how the aim works that feels kinda sluggish. I think more than 80% of people are using alt 2 I did it since the demo...

[rbluetank]

learning curve is in every game.... people need to put more then ten minutes in k2 before complaining.... i going to killownes some people right now!!!

[P_Bomb]

Funny how KZ2 die hards suddenly hate COD controls, yet you know when Modern Warfare 2 comes out it's gonna destroy the sales charts & own again. Controls so bad they can't stop selling. KZ2 control sensitivity, weight & input lag feel counter intuitive compared to the online of Battlefield BC, Quantum of Solace, Resistance, Rainbow Six, Far Cry 2, Warhawk, the list goes on. If GG wanna cater to the 100 fans that only play KZ2 & love the wacky sensitivity then this game will be forgotten by the time CODMW2 comes out, and that's not a good thing. The FPS/online genre is over-crowded as is, telling people to just get used to the controls or get out ala 'Lair' isn't a wise course of action, cuz they will leave.

[PattyWacker]

I think most people playing KZ2 still love COD4 and 5 dude. Most are COD gamers who switched to something new for the time being until MW2 comes out. Howbout you buy a ps3 and join in;)

[KeiulZen]

@ ppl tripping over 100-200 millisecond response lag. stop bugging and enjoy the game.

[dreek711]

i dont know if this would be at all possible as im not a game developer, but what would be cool is if they only used the input delay on heavy machine guns or heavy weapons, though its a little strange feeling when you cant move you're pistol or submachine gun quickly. love the game by the way, i just hope this will be fixed in the next patch as some of our other fellow ps3 friends find this feature frustrating at times on MP.

i mean, we want this game to be the best right? so why not raise that 9.2 average on the reviews to a 10.

[Allowen]

About controls let me start with that we can get used to the different setings that we normally see in a FPS for a console but the main problem here is to AIM the targets.

It is so hard to aim with rasoable accurancy and speed that I guess GG had to make the AI so much extreemely retarded to hell level so it can compasate the problem of the control 's sensibility.

KZ2 could have been one of the top 3 best FPS I have played this gen but it is far from it now, I feel I am blind in the game trying to shoot retarded without glasses.... soo not funny when you are 3 feet away from an enemy and neither you or then can hit shoot on the target.

For me so far the best FPS exclusive to the PS3 remains Resitance 2 and it has the best controls of that kind of game for the PS3 and because of that the NPCs don't have to be retarded like in KZ2 but instead they are very good on aimming on you with a deadly precision and speed.

[Allowen]

to Dreek711

you said to raise the reviews from 9.2 to 10 ??

In my book I would reduce the score from 9.2 to 7.0 at least until they don't don't fix the aimming and retarded AI problems .

[ironmonkey]

honestly u guys need to just be happy with the game and stop askin about the controls u cry way to much! seriously lol just stop it man the game is perfect the way it is. its not suppose to be like call of duty controls