Fallout creator Tim Cain is concerned about Fallout 5

Fallout creator Tim Cain has voiced concerns about Bethesda's current trajectory with the modern Fallout games, says he is worried about Fallout 5.

[shinoff2183]

I think bethesada goes back to the way I was for fallout 5. Fallout 4 was an extremely fun game imo but it felt really dumbed down. Can't wait for 5

[kythlyn]

At the rate Bethesda is publishing their main single player RPGs, Fallout 5 won't be out 'til 2033, and that's if we're lucky.

[babadivad]

Same way I felt with Skyrim. Way too dumbed down. I knew they messed up when they made Death Claws fodder.

You kill a 15 foot Death Claw at level 3 in Fallout 4. They just made the most terrifying enemy a pushover.

Death Claws were properly terrifying in New Vega. Didn't matter what level you were on.

[Deeeeznuuuts]

Totally agree, I was expecting to die and then perhaps a cut scene but nope

[cammers1995]

We need a new Vegas 2. Fallout under Bethesda just feels weird. 3, 4 and 76 follow their own east coast plot and feels out of place even all these years later. New Vegas was the last real fallout.

[DarXyde]

I think Bethesda misunderstood a lot of the original vision of Fallout (e.g., retrofuturism and the whole point behind bottle caps as currency). I'm not a fallout player, I just watched vids of the earlier games and the new ones in an attempt to get interested in it, so take my word with skepticism.

But yeah. They've made it into their own product now and it could just be that Cain would have done things differently. But it's not like they're pumping them out. You get one numbered game per generation, so I think it's fair to say there's going to be some thoughtfulness before you see Fallout 5. As long as there's no rush, which I think Starfield buys them a healthy amount of time.

[VenomUK]

@DarXyde “I think Bethesda misunderstood a lot of the original vision of Fallout (e.g., retrofuturism and the whole point behind bottle caps as currency).” A genuine question, what was the original vision and point of retrofuturism?

I’ve played Fallout 3 & 4, and judging from the narrated intro “War… never ends” and multiple scorched copies of the book Paradise Lost, I thought the meaning is straight forward comment about humanity ruining the world - and some DLC messaging about how when people are united they can be a strong force for good.

The retrofuturism I took at face value as a stylistic choice that contrasts the gritty post-apocalyptic world with the cheery optimism of the fifties.

[DarXyde]

VenomUK,

Sure, no worries. I'll try to explain what I mean. Retrofuturism would be like what we think the future would look like from today. Good example of that would be something like The Jetsons, where people in the past/present imagine what the future would be like (in that case, it was 2062 which was a century after the series premiered).

I had to double-check, but the first Fallout apparently took place in 2161, following a nuclear war in 2077. The way the world was actually seemed like "the future, according to someone in the 1950s". When Bethesda took over, this was continued, but it slowly integrated the 60s/70s aesthetics. It gets weird and confusing by the time you get to Fallout 76, which actually predates Fallout 1. For some reason, this game has a 70s aesthetic, despite being closer to the Great War... So... Did everything regress, or is Bethesda just moving forward in the decades with every iteration?

Maybe it's intentional, but it seems like they didn't really get it.

[JackBNimble]

Vegas was the fallout that I just couldn't get into ... obviously that's just my opinion.

[GhostScholar]

I’m so tired of hearing “make new Vegas 2”. Not every movie or game needs a sequel. Just do something new! Use creativity and not nostalgia for once.

[OhReginald]

True, the vegas lore of the fallout universe has been explored. It's better to visit other cities.....like Chicago or Miami.

[GhostScholar]

I’d love New York City, London, or Tokyo. I doubt they’d leave the states though.

[-Foxtrot]

When people say “New Vegas 2” they just mean a spiritual sequel

A new location…that’s all

[GhostScholar]

I know a lot of people and have read articles about what the fans want it a lot of them really mean new Vegas 2 literally.

[MontyeKristo]

Do they though? I'd still be okay with New Vegas 2 being in Vegas.. just be more in-depth, add the Grand Canyon, maybe even another nearby city.

[k2d]

It's just a monicker, instead of, say, Obsidian Fallout.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah Bethesda have really started to simplify their RPG games

They took so much stuff out of Skyrim compared to Oblivion and Fallout 4 was so dumbed down compared to Fallout 3. I enjoyed them but you can’t deny that they want to become more accessible.

When I was younger I had to restart and go through the sewer tutorial level of Oblivion like 6 times or something because I never nailed down my character correctly. It took time but I got there and I learned from it.

[Muadiib]

Agreed, loved Oblivion and FO3, found Skyrim and FO4 to be tedious. That's why I'm not allowing myself to get too excited for Starfield.

[shinoff2183]

Thas pretty much exactly what I was talking about. Fallout was pretty accessible to begin with well the bethesada ones, idk why they dumbed down 4 so much

[mastershredder]

Yeah. Kinda moot eh? Maybe don’t sell your creations if want creative control.

[anast]

Bethesda is slowly striping RPG elements from their games. Fallout 5 will look like an on the rails mobile game.

[Profchaos]

When my grandkids come and visit me in the nursing home in 50 years they will probably tell me all about this game on my deathbed cause at the rate Bethesda is dropping games it may not happen in my lifetime

[sadraiden]

What's the point of reporting on a game that hasn't been announced? Based purely on speculative paranoia by the original 90s creator? Why weren't they worried about the trajectory of Fallout after 3?

[CobraKai]

I only started playing Fallout from 3 and 4, so i don’t know what traits were and how it affects the game for part 3. It was also so long between 3 and 4’s releases that I wouldn’t have noticed that they removed anything between 3 and 4.

I think 5 will be fine. I think that they just streamlined the character building for 3 and 4, which I’m fine with, especially for long RPGs with lots of exploration.

[shinoff2183]

They did alot more then streamlined the character build from fallout 3 to 4. It's a pretty big difference

[Richhard1]

No more fallouts please

[shinoff2183]

Maybe not for you but fallout is my favorite bethesada series.

[TheColbertinator]

Microsoft should give it to Obsidian and Inxile instead. There we go, problem solved.

[PhillyDillyDee]

Ill worry about it in 2035 when its still a few years till release

[TGGJustin]

You won't even see this game until 2034 at the earliest

[HyperMoused]

I think it needs a new direction also, its always Bortherhood of steel and super mutants, Fallout 5, brotherhood of steel and super mutants, fallout 10 Brotherhood of steel and super mutants.

[EazyC]

Rather than wishing for Fallout New Vegas 2, I would KILL for another really hardcore FPS RPG. One that requires genuine role playing, tons of choice etc.

I think part of the reason people adored FNV was simply that it took that isometric RPG philosophy and squeezed it into an FPS game.