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Xbox Head Defends Bethesda In Wake Of Crunch Allegations

Head of Xbox Matt Booty said that it’s ‘unfair’ to put crunch culture on ‘one studio’

SullysCigar699d ago

"Head of Xbox Matt Booty said that it’s ‘unfair’ to put crunch culture on ‘one studio’"

Alright Matt, so you're saying it's okay because there are other studios that crunch too? What sort of effed up logic is that for a supposed leader?

Fishy Fingers699d ago

"I don’t say that to justify it"

SullysCigar699d ago

Then why not take the criticism on the chin? Crunch is bad at any studio, including Bethesda. Own it, don't deflect.

Sometimes you just gotta take it, Booty..

Rimeskeem698d ago

That just makes them a hypocrite?

Germaximus698d ago

That's exactly why you would say such a thing. There's literally no other reason to mention it unless you're justifying it.

S2Killinit698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

Its interesting that MS came to the defense of Activisn/Blizzard but didnt say anything when Bobby Kotic got re-elected to Activisn board. People said MS has no say in it, but now it seems they did and stayed silent. Interesting.

Lifexline698d ago

I do wonder if people just read the sensational headlines and run with it or if they actually bother to take the time to read the article.

JackBNimble698d ago

Meanwhile everyone is bitching about delays

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Obscure_Observer699d ago (Edited 699d ago )

"Then why not take the criticism on the chin? Crunch is bad at any studio, including Bethesda. Own it, don't deflect."

Wtf are you talking about? Did you even bother to read the article?

Kotaku´s report about crunch practices at Zenimax/Bethesda dated from 2018 during Fallout 76´s development. They were independent at the time, so how exactly Matt Booty should "own" any criticism towards Bethesda if the said company wasn´t an Xbox first party studio?

SullysCigar699d ago

And yet he feels he should defend them. So he's acknowledged the issue, it makes no odds when it took place.

If he feels the need to comment on it at all, he should simply assure everyone that it won't happen on his watch. Instead, he defended them because he felt they were being singled out. That's deflection, not condemnation.

Pointless saying this to you though, I do realise this.

Wintersun616698d ago

Did YOU bother to read the article? Or is your brain selective with the information it can absorb?

"Former Bethesda employees said that Xbox took a hands-off approach to managing ZeniMax once the acquisition closed, frustrating workers who’d hoped that Microsoft would improve their employment benefits.

ZeniMax wasn’t the only Xbox-owned studio that allegedly received relative autonomy from the publisher. Former employees at Undead Labs also claimed that Xbox took a “hands-off” approach after acquiring that game studio. While it may seem good that the publisher is allowing acquired studios some operational freedoms, sources at Undead Labs worried that such permissiveness “allowed dysfunction to fester.”"

Orchard699d ago

But we're all guilty of enabling the behavior. People complain vehemently when games are delayed.

He is right that it's unfair to blame that culture on one studio when it is an industry wide standard. Looking at your name, you're a fan of ND, who are renowned for some of the worst crunch in the industry, so you've likely also contributed to the problem.

SullysCigar699d ago

Lmao don't be ridiculous. How are you gonna put this awful practice on the gamer? If it's not ready, gamers whine, so what? They'll still buy it down the line and devs/pubs know that. You think if I send a tweet saying "hurry up", they're going to work harder and longer? Lol

It's done to make money sooner. To satisfy investors, per the preferred schedule, at the behest of the management. You can't possibly be that naive that you don't understand that. I refuse to believe it.

Orchard699d ago

I never said it was wholly the gamers fault - obviously corporations are to blame too, but yes, gamers contribute.

The next time a big game gets delayed, go on the developers twitter and see how much abuse they get - both the company and the individuals who work there. Some will even be getting death threats if the game is big enough.

And no naivety at all on my part - I've lived through game delays myself, seen how much potential community reaction is weighted before making the call to delay a title, and seen the BS received from the community.

The industry and gamers view game delays as the end of the world and use it as a reason to attack the people working on the game, when in reality, delays should be common to ensure both quality of the game and quality of life for the staff.

SullysCigar698d ago

^ Orchard, you clearly have zero clue what you're talking about on this front.

Now you're justifying crunch if the backlash is bad enough. A few stupid people on twitter say stupid things and you'll adjust a project timeline to appease them? That's just not how the world works, but go ahead and try screaming and swearing next time you get a parking ticket and test the theory for yourself lol

You never give in to bullies. All that does is proliferate bullying. I can accept that's not always easy if it's one-to-one and face-to-face, but for a corporation what you're suggesting is pure fantasy and if that's how you make your decisions, you'll last 5 minutes in the role.

As for your suggestion "delays should be common", no, the project should be better managed, obviously outside of extenuating circumstances like pandemics, earthquakes and the like.

Crunch is never the answer, on that we can agree, but if you arrive at a point where that option is even being discussed, you'd better have a damn good reason for things getting that far.

Crows90698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

Nope. We don't contribute when we have no direct control. Gamers complain, people complain that doesn't mean gamers are responsible for crunch. It's not like we asked them to show us something that is 3+ years away.

We did not ask them to crunch in order to finish. We did not ask them to announce an unrealistic release window.

No. Gamers do not contribute to crunch. Devs do that in order to meet deadlines and fiscal year goals.

You're telling me these devs have never heard that they can ignore all the stinky social media avenues and still announce and give out updates on their websites? They put themselves in positions to be insulted. And then only some individuals engage in that behaviour. And you claim that because some do it we all collaborate and contribute. No that's not how it works. You don't get to put any blame on someone for something you did. Even if you allowed yourself to be influenced.

crazyCoconuts698d ago

Beyond customer expectations there are deadlines tied to financial things as well like missing a holiday season or running out of money. That last minute "crunch" exists in lots of industries and is natural. When it's chronic, you lose good people, so smart companies know they need to control it and they do

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Rimeskeem698d ago

The phrase you are looking for is "Ad populum" or Bandwagon appeal.

Which is one of the most common logical fallacies used.

SullysCigar698d ago

Nicely summed up, thanks Rimeskeem.

Atom666698d ago

Put the pitchforks away for at least a day.

Accurately acknowledging that crunch is an issue across the industry isn't the same as saying it's "okay."

There's better stories to console war over than this.

1Victor698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

To be fair it happened before they got acquired by Xbox but that’s not an excuse his response should have been we are aware of crunch culture and are doing everything possible to end it including (insert a example here)and we will continue to fight to end this practice, instead he defended it to the point of saying he himself slept under his desk at his beginnings and wear that as a honor medal 🤦🏿

Atom666698d ago

He's stating the obvious to a group of staff who knows it is the reality of where the industry was at.

In 2022, Kotaku wrote a story about Bethesda. That story talked about crunch in 2018 and prior.

Also in 2022, an exec at MS addressed the click bait article with staff and explained that crunch was common across the board in the past.

Then, he specifically confirms that they've followed up with the studio to confirm the old ways aren't being followed today.

I'd say he did and said exactly what he should have here. I'd also say Kotaku still has a hard on for MS.

Obscure_Observer698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

"If he feels the need to comment on it at all, he should simply assure everyone that it won't happen on his watch. Instead, he defended them because he felt they were being singled out. That's deflection, not condemnation."

He didn´t "comment" on anything. He was asked a question which demands an answer. It was a Q&A segment. Just read the damn article already and stop with your dumb assumptions.

Now, since when a Kotaku report means "condemnation"?

How Booty is supposed to take sides when he has no knowledge or proved facts about circumstances that not took place on his watch?

Your little rant is pathetic and down right hypocrite. Yeah, I don´t remember you going ape sh!t over Druckmman ´s systematic crunch practices at Naughty Dog reported by the same Kotaku that you´re endorsing here. Nor did you skipped Tlou 2 over crunch accusations, so gimme a break and quit this shining knight act bs because your wallet spoke louder for you. You´re not fooling anyone but yourself.

You don´t care about the developers working conditions at all. Your little drama here is all about your hate towards Microsoft. Nothing more nothing less.

1Victor698d ago

@obscured
ASSuming you are responding to my comment how do you know I purchased tlu2 ? How do you know I hate Microsoft because I give them credit when they do good for the industry and community unlike you I don’t give half praises and a jab at the same time.
At the time it was WAS a a wide spread practice that has been going on in the industry before you got born, was it ok 1 billion % NO but culture at the time allowed it NOW it’s a different world and we have evolved to be more tolerant and fight harder for the rights of everyone regardless of sex, color, race or profession.

Obscure_Observer698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

@1Victor

The first quote in my response is not yours. So no, I´m not responding to you. My reply is meant to SullysCigar.

Thanks for the attention, though.

MrCrimson698d ago

Games are humongous group projects. Crunch happens in all industries.

RedDevils697d ago

Lol first time reading it, I thought it Matt Booby.

Zhipp697d ago

I read another article that includes the full quote earlier, and i have to say this is one of the worst headlines I've seen on this site to date. It's totally out of context to the point where it implies he said the literal opposite of what he actually did.

KillBill697d ago

You are missing the point that the issue is not fully on the back of Bethesda alone like people try to make it out as. Bethesda and Microsoft have completely reworked their dev focus and the idea of including crunch time is not part of it. Oddly fanboys want to complain about a single studio that has since changed its practices... he is simply defending the gangbanging going on.

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Orchard699d ago

He's not wrong that it's standard in the industry (unfortunately). That being said, MS are the biggest corporation which is in gaming, they should be leading the way, so I expect better leadership than 'it's the standard so let's keep doing it'.

I hate game delays, but the standard should be to delay games instead of making people work themselves into the grave. Hopefully their working conditions get better now that they're part of MS.

VenomCarnage89698d ago

The standard should be to not set other people's standards with a release window that is entirely unrealistic. It should also be to not show your game 6 years ahead of time and then have to have 2 years of crunch because people have grown entirely impatient by the piss poor handling of the info that goes public. But now that Ms has them under their wing, the incompetence in each company will only multiply because Ms and Bethesda are both the goats at that garbage in the gaming world

S2Killinit698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

MS is the third or fourth largest corporation “in gaming”. After Sony, Tencent, and Nintendo. Just FYI

Atom666698d ago

MS is larger than all 3.

S2Killinit698d ago

No they are not. Google it.

S2Killinit698d ago

https://www.cnbctv18.com/te...

Here is one but there is much more written on this.

Atom666698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

Largest corporations in gaming:

Apple, MS, Google, Amazon.

Read what he said. Largest corporations "which is in gaming." Not largest market share, revenue, etc.

VenomCarnage89698d ago

We get it Atom, but we all comprehended what he meant from the get go

Atom666698d ago

@Venom

I would disagree that "all" comprehended what he said.

VenomCarnage89694d ago

@atom
I get surprised by people who see a word like "all" or "everyone" and think it means *literally* 100.00% of everyone in question, without question. You gotta learn when to take a word literally and when to generalize the meaning of it

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DrDoomer698d ago

damn, they crunch their employees and still release unfinished games.

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rlow1698d ago (Edited 698d ago )

Crunching has been going on forever and will probably not go away anytime soon. But funny how you all want to make this such a big deal. At least In the U.S. I know tons of people who work 12 hour days 6 days a week at factories and small industrial sites. In condition that aren’t some nice comfortable, air conditioned office space.
My point is, this is nothing unique to this industry and plenty of people work shitty long hours for much less pay in other industry.
To discredit how the gaming community reacts to delays is BS. All the negative articles, whining from the community, and toxic twitter crap. Can have an effect, especially on a smaller company.
But what cracks me up the most is people trying to spin this into MS not caring crap. So let me ask? Didn’t Xbox and Bethesda just delay it’s two biggest games this year? Haven’t they been taking a lot of shit for that? But they did the right thing, they didn’t crunch the studios so they could get it done.
Talk is cheap, actions only count and by their actions they have shown their willing to take the hard knocks to do the right thing. Argue all you want proof is in the pudding.

CantThinkOfAUsername698d ago

"they didn't crunch the studios"
My man, the only reason for delay in game development is they can't crunch enough to meet the deadline/release date. Last stage of development is the worst for crunch, especially for debuggers and programmers putting it all together and making sure the systems in place work. Creative jobs do get crunch as well, but those two got it the worst. This job is simply not for humans.

rlow1698d ago

Well since I don’t have hard data to either refute or a agree with your opinion. I’ll stand by what I’ve said. But that is really where the problem arises. Nobody knows for sure how much crunching goes on and how widespread it is. One persons experience at one company does not speak for the whole.
As for delays, can you provide data that supports your claim that with that extra time they are crunching? I’m not saying your wrong but opinion vs hard facts and obviously hard facts are what’s needed.

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Ex-Rocksteady directors' Hundred Star is collaborating with Xbox Game Studios Publishing for its first-ever AAA game.

Lightning771h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Highly doubt it'll be an actual Batman game that IP belongs to WB Games along with other DC property.

They're making an action adventure game. IMO I think it needs to be another Marvel game despite MS already have Blade as that action Marvel game. Dead Pool? Punisher?

Realistically it'll probably be a new IP entirely.

The_Hooligan2m ago

I agree with you. I think I'll be a brand new IP. Now it could be a superhero themed, kind of like infamous. Speaking of which, Suckerpunch needs to make one after Ghost 2.

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Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica Remakes are reportedly in the works, not Resident Evil 1

Industry insider Dusk Golem reveals that there is no Resident Evil 1 Remake in the works. Instead, Capcom are reportedly in active development of Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica.

-Foxtrot1d 7h ago

RE Zero would be better to do first over RE1 because they can tie the story into RE1 more.

The original RE Remake was weird because Rebecca never mentioned anything about what happened in Zero and it felt so disjointed because Zero was developed during the Remake and they clearly didn't share any notes with one another.

Cacabunga5h ago

Wise decision. 2 of my favorites!

Knightofelemia1d 4h ago

Give me Dino Crisis dammit Capcom

TGG_overlord10h ago

And all it took was +24 years + a phone call from me lol.

GotGame8182h ago

LOL! A phone call from you? ROFL! They have been remaking RE games for YEARS! It was a matter of time!

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken2d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty2d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken2d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty2d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken2d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken2d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot2d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto2d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer2d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek2d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken1d 21h ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie1d 19h ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12083d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast3d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit3d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export3d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2032d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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