PSVR2 vs Meta Quest 2: Does PlayStation Have a Chance?

Following today's Meta Quest Showcase, IGN editors Kat Bailey and Taylor Lyles debate the PlayStation VR2's prospects amid the growth of standalone headsets and increasing dominance of Meta Quest 2.

[joaovictorop]

Of course. While QUEST 2 (which I love) manages to generate VR games in the graphical quality of PS2 games, PSVR2 will be able to use all the graphics power of the PS5 in its games.

[Number1TailzFan]

The Quest 2 can also use the power of your PC, and with next gen GPUs launching in just a few months they'll be leagues ahead of the PS5.

I would also expect a Quest 3 probably next year.

[S2Killinit]

The difference being that PSVR2 will have the common denominator of the PS5 as a base. Not to mention that Sony’s tech combining eye tracking foveated rendering which is going to significantly close any difference between flat/2D and VR gaming.

Judging by last gen, some of the best VR games were on PSVR despite being much weaker, so this time around with the power of PS5 and the PSVR2 being as powerful as any VR headset out there, my bet is that PSVR2 will be a major force in VR.

[CaptainHenry916]

I think the Quest 3 is coming out this year. You're right about the new next gen Gpu's though

[frostypants]

The number of people who will shell out for those GPUs is tiny. The PS5 is still far more cost effective (very slim profit margin).

[Babadook7]

“The Quest 2 can also use the power of your PC, and with next gen GPUs launching in just a few months they'll be leagues ahead of the PS5.”

Even with a 4080 GPU that’s 8x the power of the ps5, compared to a quest 2; psvr2 would be the superior product due to much higher quality screens with HDR, cleaner wired connection vs wifi, and fovated rendering and other new techniques multiplying performance by as much as 10x.

“I would also expect a Quest 3 probably next year.”

But maybe not. In case you didn’t notice this comparison is between quest 2 vs psvr2.

[Matpan]

@Babadook7

The quest can be connected via cable to the PC...

[kryteris]

Quest 2 pro or project cambria. Target market will be business and persons who afford $800+ headsets

[Petebloodyonion]

« PSVR2 will be able to use all the graphics power of the PS5 in its games. »
I love this bogus argument of but now it will use the Ps5 powaaaaa!

Sorry but Psvr had the Power of the ps4 and how many games did use it?
So why would suddenly ppl not interested in PSVR would be interested in PSVR2 if it’s basically the same concept for them?
Or why suddenly should we expect next gen graphics when almost nobody took advantage of the ps4 versus quest?

[Mr_cheese]

The difference being that the ps5 and the psvr2 have been built to take advantage of each other. The psvr one and the ps4 was not.

The difference will be staggering when comparing the psvr 1 and psvr 2.

[RickRoland]

The PSVR on PS4 was limited with FOV, Screen door effect, and move controllers. PSVR2 is a different experience completely. The move controllers I would say were the biggest limiting factor in what could be done with the prior model and what games could be developed for it.

[Eonjay]

We would expect next gen graphics because the PSVR 2 is capable of using Foveated Rendering and eye tracking to reduce frame times for standard PS5 software by up to like 3x. They showed examples of full 4K media taking less than half of the time to render. Just this by itself means that graphics alone will see an enormous boost over PSVR.

It's not just the PS5 power. It's a smarter headset that maximizes what you can get out of the PS5.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Mr Cheese
Really? THE PSVR was annouced in 2014 a couple of months after PS4 launch but wasn't made for PS4 or vice versa but PSVR2 announced for a couple months after PS5 launch is? PSVR released in 2016 (in the 3rd year) and PSVR2 seems to be launching in the same windows.

@Rickroland
Shows that you actually don't have a PSVR
FOV is up to 100 degrees versus Quest2 89 degrees, Screen door effect is barely noticeable on PSVR versus all previous PC headset due to Sony Oled screen (it's actually one of the best aspect of the Vr headset) and yes the Move controllers were outdated but lots of the main PSVR exclusives greatest games were designed with the dualshock4 in mind (Resident evil 7, Astrobot, Wipeoup, etc)...

@Eonjay
I'm not saying that the PSVR 2 will not offer incredible graphics. what I'm asking is: why should we expect ppl that didn't care for Resident Evil 7 kind of graphic would suddenly go buy a PSVR2 because it's powered now by PS5?
just saying that Resident evil 4 on Quest has less polygons to the PS2 versions.

[1Victor]

The bottom line is PSVR2 will whips the floor with the quest 2 when it comes out

@ peeOnion a lot of people didn’t care about Kinect and that didn’t stop Microsoft on forcing it on the Xbox 1.
People that haven’t try it and do will care or maybe not are you so desperate to find a flaw that you have to go into a may/may not straws 🤦🏿
It is stupid to think that psvr2 won’t take advantage of the ps5 power as PSVR IS ONLY ON PLAYSTATION 5 not on Xbox not on PC not on Nintendo switch. Do you get it now 😩 childrens now a days you gotta explain why water is wet 🤦🏿

[fr0sty]

What you fail to understand is that PS4 was being taken FULL advantage of when rendering PSVR games. VR requires everything to be rendered twice, so already off the bat you are losing 50% of your rendering power just on that alone, not counting the lost CPU power from the camera and controller tracking. To compensate, developers dropped the resolution, shading quality, model quality, etc. of its games to enable PS4 to be able to handle rendering that much. Furthermore, 30fps is not an option at all in VR, 60+ is required, preferably more.

The reason why PSVR2 will be able to reach much closer to the quality of 2D PS5 games is foveated rendering... it tracks where your eyes are looking, and renders that part of the scene in high detail, while dropping the resolution of the surrounding areas (our eyes only see sharp out of the center, stuff in our periphery we see blurry, so foveated rendering takes full advantage of this to make sure that only what you are focused on gets rendered in high quality).

So, PS5 VR games are going to be able to come MUCH closer to rendering what PS5 2D games can do... and PC VR headsets are going to have to work much harder to render the same quality due to lacking foveated rendering... so the advantage they have with more powerful CPU/GPU hardware isn't going to be as big as you might think, and you're going to have to pay a lot more for that small advantage.

[S2Killinit]

@petebloodyonion
Read Frosty’s comment.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Pete doesn't understand that for some, the reason they didn't buy PSVR was because the games weren't at the level of graphics they were used to in flat games. There were many wires and controllers lacked analog sticks.

PSVR 2 corrects these problems and then some. But you know naysayers, they were told VR was a gimmick until it wasn't as many fields use VR besides gaming. They were told by Microsoft that there's no money to be made. But many companies and developers are making millions of dollars. And Sony sold the headset at profit day one. They were told there aren't any games but PSVR 1 owners owned at least 10 or more games with a high attachment rate that Sony's aware of. Gamers wanted to try almost everything.

Naysayers don't understand until you have to prove them wrong and embarrass them. That's what Sony's going to do again with PSVR 2.

[Babadook7]

“So why would suddenly ppl not interested in PSVR would be interested in PSVR2 if it’s basically the same concept for them?”

Psvr was phenomenally successful (particularly with early software) vs all direct competition including quest 1. So your question kind of backfires.

[Mr_cheese]

The fact they're making a 2nd version of the hardware says a lot and this time, with the ps5 and a more concrete direction, they're able to offer a better all round product.

Whether you buy it, not buy, believe in it, not believe in it is all up to you. Its coming, and there will be a lot of people using it

[Number1TailzFan]

@Fr0sty

"so the advantage they have with more powerful CPU/GPU hardware isn't going to be as big as you might think, and you're going to have to pay a lot more for that small advantage."

Sorry but this is just fanboy level nonsense, #1 you don't know what Quest 3, or other headsets will be like yet.

#2 a 3080 or equivalent GPU is already more powerful than PS5, a 4080 would add at least another 40% on top of that if it's a proper generational leap, rumors are saying more than that even. Even next gen AMD cards might have less power usage vs Nvidia this time too. The difference in frame rate would be a lot more than "a small advantage" in games.

[Crows90]

I'm interested and I didn't have psvr1

Why?
Well because I don't think the tech was there yet. Only half life Alyx has done a decent job

[Petebloodyonion]

Most of the ppl above me
I fail to see why you are all trying to explain to me how great graphics, fidelity, FOV rendering, and power of PSVR2 will be when I totally agree with all of you on that aspect. Heck, I bought a PS5 primarily for PSVR2 and bought my PSVR on day 1 just to play resident evil 7 (a game that I still consider the best VR experience PC included).

I have read all your responses about how PSVR wasn't perfect due to wires, graphics not up to PC, move controller
So ok let's agree a that lot of ppl didn't buy the PSVR because of these issues So I guess that would leave the brave and diehard fans right?

So how come the top-selling games are basic games?
https://uploadvr.com/psvr-2...

Surely the diehard crowd would go for Resident Evil7, Farpoint, Iron Man, Blood, and Truth, instead of Job simulator, Super hot Vr, Beat Sabers, and Gorn?

Heck what about the Persistence? a game made for PSVR by Housemarque (and a freaking good game too)
Deracine, Transference? heck tons of awesome PSVR games not found on Quest

But alas they are not top sellers ( and if you have a PSVR you should definitively have them)
So thus my point and rant Facebook suddenly owns 78% of the Vr market because of a simple underpower headset that can play all top-selling basic games. What will Sony do differently to pick the interest of ppl so they buy a PSVR2 to play AAA Vr experiences when right Now Valve and META basically threw the towel on high PC VR?

[Babadook7]

“So how come the top-selling games are basic games?”

“Surely the diehard crowd would go for Resident Evil7, Farpoint, Iron Man, Blood, and Truth, instead of Job simulator, Super hot Vr, Beat Sabers, and Gorn?”

1. RE7 outsold all those and stats show a lot of Players played it in vr.

2. Those popular games are still good and very cheap.

[Eonjay]

"So how come the top-selling games are basic games?"

What is your point exactly? These are all good games by the way. Astro Bot isn't a simple game but even if it was, what is your actual point? Are you saying that no one will want PSVR2 because you think its focus will be primarily complex games? And I hate to break it to you but there are multitudes of awesome games that don't become best sellers. Its just the way it is.

[generic-user-name]

"Surely the diehard crowd would go for Resident Evil7, Farpoint, Iron Man, Blood, and Truth, instead of Job simulator, Super hot Vr, Beat Sabers, and Gorn?"

Those include VR only titles, so games like RE7, GT Sport, Tekken 7, AC7, Hitman 3, NMS, Squadrons, Dreams etc, where VR is only optional, do not get included.

You can be sure Hitman 3 outsold Rick and Morty Virtual Rickality in 2021.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Eonjay
The point is the article is asking if PSVR2 can draw a mainstream audience with AAA VR from the 78% market share owned by Meta cue the word AAA VR, not indy experiences that can be found on Quest 2.
And right now, the system that has most of the popular VR AAA exclusive titles is selling more games that can be found on Quest 2 instead of selling exclusives AAA Vr games
So again my initial question.
What will Sony do differently this time that will make them succeed where Valve failed with Halfife Alyx and Meta with the rift?
Another quick question How come Insomniac isn't working on a AAA PSVR2 title instead of a live service game they did some great exclusives Oculus rift games?

@Generic user name
Farpoint, blood and truth, Iron man, Deraciné (Fromsoftware), Firewall Zero mission are all PSVR only titles
Persistence started as PSVR only title in 2018 till 2020 (it was ported to flatscreen in 2020)

"You can be sure Hitman 3 outsold Rick and Morty Virtual Rickality in 2021."
And yet the game seems to be selling more on PS5 versus the PS4 versions :)
(and Hitman 3 in VR is awesome :)

[fr0sty]

How well a game gets marketed has a lot to do with its sales... when a game has no marketing, price often determines popularity, hence the cheaper, simpler titles outselling the more expensive AAA experiences. While Sony did outsell all of the VR headsets they competed agasinst when PSVR launched, they didn't put much into marketing the games, at all.

Astrobot, despite sales not being on top of the list, is still the best platformer ever released for VR, and one of the best ever released, period. Sales do not equal quality, as Call of Duty has shown us.

[electroblood]

Market adoption for peripherals not bundled with the console is 10% if you are lucky. That is what is holding PSVR back. Its just a tough sell for most people.

[z2g]

thats true for us but you also have to factor in other things for the success of psvr2

quest 2's cost of entry is significantly cheaper than psvr2. and accessibility is higher. even if the psvr2 unit cost the same as a quest 2 (i struggle to believe this will be the case and will likely be around $100 more just llike og psvr due to it being a higher end device than quest). imagining for a moment that psvr2 is the same price as Q2 tho, you still need to buy a ps5 to run it which is another $4-500 (if you can even find one). Q2 is completely self contained.

The highest-priced game that i have seen on Q2 is around $25. Sony is now charging up to $70 for games and the regular price of a console game is at least $50-60. this is another ROI point for casual gamers and part of the reason Q2 is so successful.

psvr2 will obviously be a much higher fidelity experience than Q2, but if the Nintendo Switch has taught us anything in the world of Series X and PS5, not everybody cares about fidelity (i am not one of those ppl fwiw). for a lot of people - especially more casual gamers which the Q2 is largely marketed to, they care more about the cost, ease of use etc more.

If you look at the adoption rate of playstation owners who have added psvr in the past, the number is strikingly low - its something around like 10-12%. That doesn't exactly scream "flying off the shelves". Comparatively, I've owned a ps3, ps4, and now a ps5 and have never once considered buying psvr. i do however own a Q2.

at the end of the day tho no one really knows the answer. psvr2 could be more popular than the first iteration. i'm just simply pointing out that it isn't always hardware and fidelity that moves units. Xbox has had the edge on power with 2 consoles now but playstation owners insist quality of games matters more so... lot of grey areas to consider.

[EvertonFC]

Psvr or any other VR device was never going to fly off shelves or be mass market, it's new.
VR won't be mass market for another 10 years but it's baby steps at first for the main adopters.
VR has been great so far but like Yoshi said psvr was ps1, VR2 will be ps2, VR3 will be PS3 etc.
It takes time but we're already in a good spot so far with VR.
Once VR grabs the school playground kids, colleges and universities then it will be mainstream and something played and used everyday wether social, gaming or work.

[alb1899]

I can see a lot of people disappointed in the near future. Too much expectations on psvr2.
I was happy just with the clonky experience of last gen because I see VR as an experiment, so I don't expect perfection of it and that is the way to go on psvr2 but from what I'm reading here jajajaja there will be too much disappoinment.

[kryteris]

try it on pc, much better.

[VivaChe]

A big possible advantage the PSVR 2 might have is the game library. Assuming Sony does place a priority on having lots of good titles (which is a BIG "if"), they'd lure a lot of buyers in that way. As someone who owns a Quest 2, I will say that the Quest game library isn't a strong point (but the untethered headset and decent resolution are).

[SullysCigar]

The worst thing about the Quest 2 for me is the comfort. They've launched two generations of headset since the PSVR came out and are still leagues behind in that field - even with the extra strap that's sets you back additional 50.

PS VR2 will be lighter, smaller, cooler and therefore even more comfortable, thanks in part to PS5. Unlike Quest, it doesn't need a battery pack or CPU - both generating heat and weight.

Of course, I can appreciate wireless, but it walks the graphics back 2-3 generations and the games have the look and sophistication of mobile games, as a result.

Sure, you can plug it in to PC, but then you remove the one USP Quest has over other headsets by tethering with a cable.

[livedeht]

Quest 2 has wireless PC connection, no tether... Use it to play Alex all the time... No noticeable lag.

[SullysCigar]

^ I am aware of this, and it's a great feature, but then the Quest isn't a standalone product anymore, since you need a beefy PC rig.

If you have a beefy rig, you're better off with a quality headset like an Index.

Quest 2 is perfect for those on a tighter budget that want VR anywhere and don't mind simple, low fidelity gaming.

It's just a matter of preference ultimately, but all things considered the only things good about the Quest 2 are the entry price and portability. If you add a PC into the mix, that budget value is gone and it isn't portable.

The initial wow factor for wireless is far outweighed by the performance and comfort shortfalls, in my opinion.

[Babadook7]

“Quest 2 has wireless PC connection, no tether... Use it to play Alex all the time... No noticeable lag.”

In theory Sony could add the same feature to ps VR 2 using an adapter over wifi 6.

[livedeht]

@ Sully... You dont "lose" functionality when connected to a PC... It does both quite well... Index is a higher quality device but has half the functionality at 4x the price.

[EvertonFC]

2 or 3 OMFG games at launch would help. It needs those dam I can't miss out on that stuff games like RE7 but more regularly released.
I hope Sony made a big offer for metro series to be remastered for VR? It's that type of game we need for the OMFG I need VR also deadspace, big AAA 1st party add ons for all future Sony games, motorstorm VR collection etc etc

[shadowT]

Summary of the IGN comparison: "The PlayStation VR 2 does not yet have a release date".

[Neonridr]

we know there is a Quest 2 Pro coming which is probably a better comparison to the PSVR2 than the base Quest 2.

Both are different at the end of the day. Q2 you get the benefit of wireless and ease of use. PSVR2 will add in the processing power of the PS5 to deliver high quality immersive games with the added bonus of higher res/refresh, haptics, etc.

Both have a place in this world.

[Inverno]

No thanks, facebook

[BrainSyphoned]

Wow I better listen to the money power of Facebook and breath in the amazing purity of the things they stand for.

[isarai]

Yes.

[ocelot07]

Sony can be onto a winner. Have it compatible with PC out of the box. So you can use on both ps5 and pc. Since you only need to use a single USB C cable.

[ApocalypseShadow]

I wouldn't do it. Gamers want it compatible with PC. But there aren't any games compatible with PSVR 2 features on PC. It also takes away sales of PlayStation gamers who want to buy it for PS5.

Maybe later after taking care of PlayStation owners. Maybe even port some games to PC. But at launch, I wouldn't do it. In a scarce market already trying to get the console, now it would be hard just to get a headset because of PC gamers buying it up.

If Sony will have headsets in abundance that you can just walk into a store to get it easily, then sure.

[iplay1up2]

PS5 VR2 will have exclusives that Meta can't touch, and will be higher quality games.

[generic-user-name]

Nothing on Quest 2 touches RE7 in VR, not without the aid of a PC to link to at least. PSVR2 will blow it out of the water in terms of native games.

[jukins]

In terms of matching sales numbers no. But in terms of a success within the playstation community for sure

[Phoenix76]

IGN's logic is often so ballafling. How can you even do a comparison piece between 2 devices when is now several years old and let's be honest, now out of date tech wise by miles. Against a device which hasn't even been released to the public or even had a single sale!
This come across as just another fluff piece article that's needed to fill out their daily quoter of published articles

[ApocalypseShadow]

But they call themselves game journalists with these pieces.

[Petebloodyonion]

In my opinion, the basic PSVR2 chances are slim to none.
The only reason the PSvr2 exists is to fill the gap between the PSVR and the PSVR2 lite that will be released as a revision.
that device will be able to work standalone for the majority of the VR titles and will be able to connect to PS5 for the more demanding titles.

[ApocalypseShadow]

What are you even talking about? That is utter nonsense. I didn't know Quest 2 was releasing for PS5. That's news to me. Tell us more. Guess Sony should pack it up and not release it as Quest 2 will get all the sales on PS5.

"The only reason PSVR 2 exists is just to be PSVR 2 Lite."

Totally ridiculous. There's no announcement of a future PS5 headset beyond this one. There's no point making a stand alone for PS5 where Sony would have to make games for that and take away focus of just one headset for developers to concentrate making games for.

Unless you're talking about PSVR 2 having a wireless revision or adapter, your comment would be a huge amount of nonsense.

[Petebloodyonion]

"What are you even talking about?"
I'm sure you can read the article where it's asking if Sony's AAA VR can draw a mainstream audience from the 78% VR marketshare that Meta currently control.

"There's no point making a stand alone for PS5 where Sony would have to make games for that and take away focus of just one headset for developers to concentrate making games for."
Switch Lite, 2DS, Ps4 Pro, New 3DS, Xbox 1X says HI!
Last I check all theses upgrade tweaks the original formula by adding or removing options. So what would you lose from the original PSVR2 if the second versions allows you to play wirelessly and have some stand alone abilities?
Heck I could easily point that my original PSVR doesn't allow HDR passthrough on PS5 versus model 2.

[Knushwood Butt]

Thanks for sharing your opinion, Pete.

[Petebloodyonion]

Well isn't that the purpose of a comment section? :)

[ApocalypseShadow]

It makes no sense to make a stand alone and split development on PS5 VR games with a stand alone PSVR 2. It makes no sense to do that and leave the original PSVR 2 owners not being able to take advantage of stand alone games but the revision can.

Just like Sony didn't split development with PS4 and Pro leaving base out in the cold, and not make games for PSVR owners who own PS5 where PSVR owners of PS4 and Pro won't be able to play, they are not going to split the base. Weren't you paying attention? It makes no sense for Sony to do that which leaves a portion of their base high and dry.

Think about it. Maybe you're fine in how Facebook releases new headsets every 2 years where games don't play on the previous model. But Sony doesn't do that. Makes no sense but to leave some gamers bitter of buying something that becomes obsolete in 2 years. PSVR lasted 6 years. The new one has the potential to last just as long or more. Even if PS6 came out, PSVR 2 could take advantage of it with the built in eye tracking and foveated rendering.

[Aloymetal]

Ahhhh, look it's IGN...

[KeyAppearance]

Yep definitely, I am a quest owner, and honestly after yesterday's showcase, PSVR will most likely have an edge by having the more system selling intense cinematic VR experience that the quest is barely getting, its mostly arcadey/adventury type games being shown.

Other than Bonelabs, was really disappointed, so really looking forward to and hoping for better with PSVR2

[ApocalypseShadow]

I'll admit Facebook had a decent showing while not showing future offerings like GTA or Splinter Cell. Not an explosive showing. But good for a stand alone. Stuff like Red Matter 2 announced is a definite plus.

But we're going to see a level so far beyond those games presented that it's not even funny. Sony's going to get most of those games as the A and AA ports down the line. But the Sony exclusives and third parties are going to wipe the floor with mobile power.

We have some that don't believe PSVR 2 won't come close or have games that look like PS5 games. RE7 was a PS4 game and it looked great in the PSVR. Not as good as the flat. But it showed that it's possible to come close. With eye tracking and foveated rendering, that gap is going to shrink considerably between console and headset. And they ignore that engines like UE5 will run on PSVR 2.

The naysayers will still downplay PSVR 2 importance for console. Or ignore that Sony makes games for a living unlike Facebook. But you know secretly these naysayers are going to try it just to see what all the talk is about. And be surprised by the results. Probably even buy one.

[EvertonFC]

Exactly, the article Kat and Taylor make out VR2 is only for AAA games yet forget to mention VR2 will have all the little games too and varied genres.
They also moan about the tether, it's no different to plugging you're mobile phone on charge once or twice a day ffs.
Do these people find it a hassle plugging the controller's into charge, or swapping a disc, or plugging there headphones in etc.
Edit: that boneworld game looked great

[ApocalypseShadow]

Agreed.

[Lionsguard]

Sony needs to incorporate VR games into Playstation Premium.

[Einhander1971]

It's all about the games not just the tech, PlayStation will have the killer games for PSVR 2!!

[Babadook7]

Your right, but IGN wants to paint the negative picture of Sony as usual. But in terms of profit; companies don’t make much from hardware. In fact Meta might lose money on each quest 2. Software revenue is where PSVR2 will probably will crush quest 2.

[Babadook7]

Nah, PSVR 2 will likely sell more quality software.

[ALMGNOON]

Price wise (probably not), but in specs it's better.
Facebook can afford to sell their VRs at a loss because they will easily make a massive profit elsewhere.

[LuckyDuck12]

PSVR2 vs Meta Quest 2: Does Quest Have a Chance?

Fixed it.

[EvertonFC]

Both will do well and be fine in there ecosystems helping push VR fwd.
Quest games will come over to VR2 and VR2 games will go over to PC

[Orchard]

In terms of market and sales? No. Quest targets a way bigger audience. I expect PSVR2 to sell similar to the first one.

In terms of hardware? Also no. New quest device will edge it out and wireless is a win in a key area.

It will be a genuine improvement for the niche audience that like VR and had a PSVR gen 1 though. It’s clearly substantially better than the first generation device.

[generic-user-name]

"In terms of hardware? Also no. New quest device will edge it out"

Forgetting for a moment that this article is Quest 2 vs PSVR2 and not Quest 3. What makes you think a standalone headset like Q3 with its mobile processor will be able to outperform the PS5 backed PSVR2 with eye tracking + foveated rendering to boot?

[Orchard]

I'm not interested in comparing 2020 hardware vs 2022/23 hardware. Quest 3 is expected to launch in 2023, that is what we should be comparing PSVR2 to.

I expect Quest 3 to have foveated rendering & eye tracking, but ignoring that for a second - Quest is already winning on the HW front. It's wireless and my PC is higher spec than my PS5.

If I was interested in owning a VR device, I'd go for Quest (which is saying something, because I can't stand Facebook/Meta).

[generic-user-name]

"I'm not interested in comparing 2020 hardware vs 2022/23 hardware."

Why not? 2016 hardware has been compared to 2020 hardware for a while now and Quest 3 isn't even official.

"Quest is already winning on the HW front. It's wireless and my PC is higher spec than my PS5."

This stance makes inaccurate presumptions, mainly that Quest owners tether their Quests to a PC (nullifying the 'standalone' benefit of the Quest in the first place). When the truth is that most Quest owners don't pair it with a PC at all and, going from memory, the number of those who do are somewhere between 5%-10% of total Quest owners.

So most people who play on Quest are limited to native Quest games that look and play like they came fresh out of 2005, look no further than Quest 2 exclusives like RE4 and GTA San Andreas Quest 2 for proof of what that hardware is really capable of.

"which is saying something, because I can't stand Facebook/Meta"

You're not the biggest Sony fan either so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bladesfist]

"This stance makes inaccurate presumptions, mainly that Quest owners tether their Quests to a PC (nullifying the 'standalone' benefit of the Quest in the first place). When the truth is that most Quest owners don't pair it with a PC at all and, going from memory, the number of those who do are somewhere between 5%-10% of total Quest owners."

No your stance doesn't make any sense He never said anything about the feature being popular. Most Porsche owners don't take their car to the track, it doesn't mean it's not a great track car for the people that do. I never got this argument, why should someone enjoying this thing care about how many other people do the same thing.

[generic-user-name]

@Bladesfist

"why should someone enjoying this thing care about how many other people do the same thing."

The thing you think he is enjoying isn't even confirmed to exist, let alone be something he has firsthand experience with. Perhaps he should speak less on rumours as though they are facts and perhaps you should read more carefully before weighing in.

[Bladesfist]

That's not the part of your argument I quoted and responded to. If anyone lacks reading comprehension here, it's you. Oculus link and airlink most certainly exist and I have used the former and have a bunch of friends who use the latter on their quests.

Official Source: https://www.oculus.com/blog...

[generic-user-name]

@Bladesfist

"Oculus link and airlink most certainly exist and I have used the former and have a bunch of friends who use the latter on their quests."

I'm fully aware they exist, however Orchard is talking about the Quest 3, and the Quest 3 does not exist.

But if you and Orchard want to use your anecdotal evidence as proof that the PSVR2 doesn't have a chance against the Quest, despite reality saying otherwise, then go off.

[Bladesfist]

I didn't say anything about the Quest 3, nor did I say the PSVR doesn't have a chance. All I said was discounting a feature because it's not used often is a bad argument. I'm not getting involved in your platform war. Continue slugging it out.

[generic-user-name]

@Bladesfist

"All I said was discounting a feature because it's not used often is a bad argument."

I'd say holding up a feature that 10% of the userbase care about as if it will make the difference is a bad argument.

[Bladesfist]

PSVR is a feature used by 4.4% of PS4 owners. That doesn't mean PSVR is bad.

[generic-user-name]

@Bladefist

"PSVR is a feature used by 4.4% of PS4 owners. That doesn't mean PSVR is bad."

And that would be a very relevant point if I was trying to argue that the Quest is bad.

[Jin_Sakai]

No matter how good games look on PSVR2 the Quest 2 will perform much better due to not having wires and freedom to go wherever. That’s just the reality of the situation.

[DivineHand125]

The thing that would propell VR games is if Sony didn't lock VR behind their proprietary headset. If they just released a minimum spec sheet for hardware makers to follow, more people would be on VR by now and we may have even gotten good VR MMOs by now.

[kryteris]

they should team up and sell the same basic hardware, cross platform compatibility.

[Brutus83]

How well did PSVR do compared to the Quest(1 and/or 2)? Its clear that the Quest, with its PCVR and tetherless capablities makes much more sense than PSVR. I have both and havent even looked at my PSVr since i got the Quest