Mass Effect Legendary Edition Censored According to Developers

"The team noted that a great deal of care is being taken to respect the artistic integrity of the original trilogy… but there’s an exception." The Splintering says.

[Knightofelemia]

I can understand improving but to change the angle because Miranda's ass is in the way is stupid her ass is covered up by her clothes. This just makes me want to skip the Legendary Edition and just keep playing the last gen ports.

[toxic-inferno]

Really? A slightly altered camera angle is enough to put you off the game? That seems like an overreaction.

I understand that you might take issue with the idea of "censoring", but this is a creative decision made by the people who created the game. And I guess your protest may be more about the state of the industry, etc. But if the developer is uncomfortable with putting out a game with that scene in it unchanged, then it's their decision at the end of the day.

[gamer7804]

They adjusted other camera angles as well so it cuts off the character. You are literally seeing less in this version. It’s also the principle of it. Hard pass.

[KyRo]

The absolute pettiness of fans when it's comes to ME shouldn't suprise you. These are the same folk who cried and cried for the ending to be changed lol...

[toxic-inferno]

KyRo

That's true. I forget sometimes about the ending fiasco, as I was late to the franchise, and already knew about the disappointing ending before I even started the first game.

[RememberThe357]

Bruh, this is N4G. Over reacting to tiny BS things is what half this site is about.

[SpadeX]

It might be nitpicking to you, but everyone has their own preferences. Censorship can be a deal breaker for some.

[SullysCigar]

I honestly couldn't give a crap about some cartoon ass, and I'd never have known it was any different, but I have to agree that this is ridiculous. If it's rated as an adult game, where's the harm in leaving it as it was?

Not my bag usually, but I hope someone makes a nude mod REAL quick, just to spite the devs lol

Mass Effect: Censored Edition!

[Sieden]

Lol have you seen the reaction to the George Lucas scene edits to the original SW trilogy?

[B68W]

toxic-inferno

"but this is a creative decision made by the people who created the game." But that's the problem, it isn't a creative decision being made by the people who created the game, most of those are long gone. It's a decision(political/ideological , etc.) being made by people who inherited the IP, one of the greatest of the 21st century, and who haven't actually created anything worth a damn yet. Yes, it's their decision to make as they own the property but that doesn't make it a good decision, creatively or commercially, and consumers have the right to voice displeasure with the decision and not spend money on the censored product.

[Mothman1984]

People who created the original trilogy left bioware - most notably Casey Hudson, the main man responsible Mass Effect success. Most other members of the original team left as well. The new guys want to pander social justice warriors and other woke libtards so it's not that suprising. And by the way - that's just the beginning. They're testing grounds, looking how far can they go. And apparently they have your approval.
Good luck

[mikeslemonade]

SJW nonsense

[Knightofelemia]

@toxic-inferno

Yes I am a purist when it comes to games I can understand improvements, adding new tidbits, making textures better. But if Miranda's ass is such a big issue why do they decide to censor it now and not when the game was released to the XB360 and PS3? And who is to say that censoring Miranda's ass and changing the camera angle doesn't make the game look worse. Rule I learned is if it ain't broken don't fix it if I have to I will skip this game and play it the way it was meant to be played and viewed on the PS3 and XB360 right now they are the better port then this newer version.

[Fluttershy77]

These are not the people who created the game

[DuckOnQuack35]

The only way they're going to stop this censoring bullshit is if people stop paying money for it. Also I actually liked the ending lol

[RgR]

Their decision. nobody is arguing that they cant or that it's not their decision.

The issue is the principle of the matter. A girls ass on camera is not offensive or overly sexualizing.
What about sheperds ass? Im sure that is staying where it is. Not to mention you can always check the ass whenever you want.

It is pointless and stupid. If maybe the argument is that the camera angle was not meant to be where it was then that is fine.

[Mithan]

I agree, even if 52 people down voted you. Its stupid.

The criticism is correct though, Bioware is stupid about this..

[anubusgold]

Most of those people are gone thats why bioware is so crap now

[JackBNimble]

Don't give in to censorship, it's a trend that will only continue to get worse.

The people they are pandering to don't even play games, besides that it's an adult rated game. Don't give these dev's your money, we need to start drawing the line.

[Knushwood Butt]

Han shot first.

[Smok91]

You have to understand how many people on here don’t get ass

[ManMarmalade]

Im gay and even I care about the cencorship. It's a video game. I should be able to see all of the finished product on screen instead of it taking away from an earlier released version of the game with the same exact characters and cutscenes. It's kinda ridiculous how it needs to be censored when the last main entry was in 2012.

[Christopher]

Personally, I'm happy with the change. The shots felt entirely out of the blue and distracting compared to the rest of the game. If you want to see it, then romance her like everyone else, IMHO. I feel the same in TV shows that force that stuff in just for having it in when it adds absolutely nothing to the story or scene and ends up being more distracting than anything else. If I want to watch that stuff, I'll put on a movie aimed at just that.

Having said that, I still like the games and would play them without complaint if they didn't change anything. But, I am happier that someone decided to adjust what I consider to be a focus on juvenile attempts to over sexualize characters just for the sake of over sexualizing them and no other purpose.

[Mothman1984]

attractive woman = EVIL

censorship = GOOD

I'm very glad to see you happy. I hope they're not gonna censor you anytime soon cause that would a great loos for the entire comment section

[FlameBaitGod]

Yeah, but if the woman is fat and showing her skin its "Brave" , a hot one does it, and its sexism. I remember when n4g was over 9000% retarded and actually banned me for typing Microsoft as "M$", because some how, that was offensive LOL.

[DarXyde]

Personally, I have no stake in this - I tried to get into Mass Effect back in the X360 era and I just couldn't. Not my cup of tea.

I'm commenting on this article because, well, it involves censorship. I don't agree with it. Honestly, if you're paying the asking price and the ESRB does its job, you would be fully informed: you were warned about what is in it and you were still willing to pay the price for it, perhaps for that very reason. Regardless of intentions, censoring little things like that just seem...odd. Clearly, the developers felt it was a big enough deal to alter it, but it does take something away in the process.

I don't think this is a good idea. Most people will probably say it's a non-issue, but they probably will lose some sales for the simple fact that, well, it's censorship. Frankly, I think that censorship is a slippery slope to invite other bad practices. This is EA we're talking about. The same people who, if given an inch, will go around the world. Minor camera reworks now, but who is to say that if they rely on their back catalogue, that they will not cut out entire sections of a game like Dante's Inferno and still sell it at a premium? Then, if people are complacent about the length and content of a game like that with cuts made, they can focus on putting out these shallow experiences in the future as next generation games, followed by a lot of DLC that are short, but if it's, say, as long as the main game, they can justify charging more for that. It sounds hyperbolic and perhaps tangential, but you really should not trust EA. That is totally something I can see them or Activision doing.
Nothing today, controversial tomorrow. Nip it in the bud, I say.

[Mothman1984]

@Christopher I know it's a little off topic but I had to adress this. You wrote: "they're not changing history. The old games exist and always will. They're creating new history, but not changing the old one". I agree - they're not changing history (or the game's story); they are changing the game itself. It may be only small and insignificant change but it did happen. First they change the camera angle (almost unnoticeable for some) then maybe they'll slightly adjust the characters models (to make them look more "realistic") after that they'll decide to modify some dialogues (just a tiny bit so it won't offend anyone) and for the finishing touch someone may decide that it would be nice to tone down the sex scenes so it won't offend any oversensitive individuals.

You say this is a minor and meaningless change, but when you accept without a blink you are giving them permisssion to go even further. Eventually they may change whatever they want and argument like: "we changed it because we felt it was better with the change". Who will draw the line what's an acceptable change and what's not? BioWare? You can't easlily draw such line, it's impossible. That's why you shouldn't change anything from the original. Just leave like it was.

[The_Sage]

Well said.

[rlow1]

Well that's a disappointment.

[Mr Pumblechook]

It's a massive disappointment. It's like censoring a classic movie because it shows a woman's cleavage, just because some audiences wouldn't want to see that today. A remaster should improve the visuals and the controls, not change the artistic vision to please the complainers on ResetEra and Kotaku.

Bioware is going to include two versions of Femshep, they should also do the same with the original camera angles and new camera angles - give players the choice.

[gamer7804]

They took the time to censor but not to put work on unreal4 engine or other areas... what a waste of a remaster

[Rebel_Scum]

hahah massive disappointment. Turn it up mate

[Mothman1984]

/gamer7804/ They sure have their priorities, right?

[TheLigX]

I don’t think they did it for any other reason than they thought it was the right thing to do. If they were worried about “complainers” they would’ve kept it instead of listening to a little bitch like you.

[P_Bomb]

“Kevin (character and environment director Kevin Meek) actually called out some camera cuts that were just… why was that focusing on Miranda’s butt?”

...gee thx Kevin

[gamer7804]

Kevin is the worst. Not paying for this. Maybe when it’s free

[MrBeatdown]

You won't support censorship, unless it's free?

Ok bro, way to take a stand.

By the way, you might want to steer clear of the new Mortal Kombat. Sonya doesn't have giant titties hanging out anymore, so you know, obviously their artistic vision has been compromised something something something

[DJStotty]

Another example where the creative vision is being censored so as not to cause offence, what a joke.

Way to start redeeming yourself Bioware, good start.

I'm going to boot up the original and look at Miranda in all her glory.

[SullysCigar]

Take a screenshot and tweet it to Kevin Meek lol

In fact, let's all of us do that... lol

[MrBeatdown]

Enjoy your original version patched with a new ending because the audience bitched and moaned.

Gotta support that "creative vision" ver. 1.58

[sourOG]

Lmao. Woke remasters. I mean it’s not a big deal, it’s a camera angle... still, it was a big enough deal to change and that’s why people are like “wtf”. Leave shit alone, your modern artistic take is shitty.

Woke BioWare: the male gaze has no place in my remaster

Fans: but I’m playing femshep

Woke BioWare: internalized misogyny

[gamer7804]

Several camera angles you see less in this version, no thanks.

[sourOG]

Eh, it’s just weird. This same dude probably lets his daughter listen to cardi b.

[SullysCigar]

It's just blatant assism. It has NO place in 2021!

[sourOG]

Being a backwards tool is 2021. They are probably trying to figure out how to incorporate an alien necromorph ass into the dead space remaster. Demote hot ass, promote grotesque necro ass. Because.... morality?

[Christopher]

***Leave shit alone, your modern artistic take is shitty.***

Disagree. I think he's on the right track considering how overplayed and forced those scenes were. The fact that there were memes about it should tell you how forced they were. The good thing is, the originals are unchanged for those who need them.

[sourOG]

I don’t even remember the scene they are talking about to be honest lol. I don’t remember any memes about it but I wasn’t looking for them. Like I said it’s not a big deal, I just find it ridiculous. I feel the same way about people trying to change history because it offends their post modern sensibilities. I think it’s pretty pathetic even though I agree history is brim packed full of terrible things.

[Christopher]

@sourOG: They're not changing history. The old games exist and always will. They're creating new history, but not changing the old one. This isn't some battle that took place and someone is trying to redefine how that battle worked out. This is a remaster. It even says remaster. It doesn't say "Original Games, No Changes" on it. Remasters change things, that's what happens. Heck, they're changing a ton of stuff in the game. But, changing ass shots? That's a line we draw? Weird. Very weird.

[sourOG]

I know it was a comparison. It’s not new though, it’s old shit. There is nothing new about it lol. If they said “no ass shots in the new mass effect” it would still be weird lol. Why even say that? Just don’t do it anymore if that’s your new direction lol.

Changing the trivial old shit and speaking on it to proclaim your virtue is weird to me. I might have a problem with other changes, I don’t know what they are. No line has been drawn, I’m buying the remaster. My favorite is ME1 and if it’s changed to be more like 3 then I will have a problem with that as well.

[Christopher]

***Changing the trivial old shit and speaking on it to proclaim your virtue is weird to me.***

Because they were asked and it was the only thing they could say you would see changed as far as directing scenes? Almost the entirety of these "gotcha" lines sites report are from journalists asking questions. They don't just pop up and go "changing this!"

[sourOG]

They still chose to do that before they were asked though. They changed it because they knew they would be asked? Maybe. I refuse to believe that devs are influenced by the dumbest people in our hobby though. They just think that’s what people want for some reason but I have never heard anyone complain.

ME has a large female following and the only complaint I have ever seen is that they couldn’t get their femshep to look anything like Miranda. Are there any lady ME fans on this site that had a problem with the ass shots? I’m honestly curious.

[Christopher]

***They still chose to do that before they were asked though. ***

He's the director. He changed it because he felt it was better with the change. The exact same way the old director put them in because he thought they were better. He's making changes that he thinks would make the game better. It's his job to look for ways to improve the game and it's his prerogative to make those decisions.

The exact same way the gameplay director is making changes to improve balance, weapons, mini-games, etc.

***the only complaint I have ever seen is that they couldn’t get their femshep to look anything like Miranda.***

That's just you living in some sort of bubble or hanging out with just people who like what it is. There have been a ton of complaints about Miranda's use as a sexual object over the other characters. Even more so than deep cleavage Samara. The fact that there are 5m long videos of scenes where Miranda's butt is a focus versus none of that for other female characters should tell you something. The focus on it was a meme for a reason, let alone one of the cringier elements of ME2 noted by tons of critics.

And, note, the director isn't saying to remove them all. If you're likely in a personal convo with her and romance is an option, you'll likely still see her butt. But, when she's complaining about her sister and there's no romance? Perhaps not turn her into a sexual figure in that scene? It's just good writing/directing, tbh.

[sourOG]

Is that what people want? Is that what you want? Did we want remasters of classics remade in the image of some post-modern 20 something? I tend to learn towards that vision not being better at all lol. All I want is a fresh can of paint, quick load times and a solid frame rate. This is supposed to be for fans, it’s not a new vision there is nothing left to direct. The work is done. “You have the old games for that” defeats the purpose of a remaster imo.

[Christopher]

***Is that what people want? Is that what you want? Did we want remasters of classics remade in the image of some post-modern 20 something? I tend to learn towards that vision not being better at all lol. ***

I already said in my first response in this thread that I like these changes. I also said in that comment that I would still play the games if they weren't changed.

As a person who was raised in the 80s/90s of video games (I'm 43), I'm far from ignorant of what our gaming culture is around the sexualization of both men and women in games. I've also been on board with seeing less excessive sexualization and better storytelling since then. I have the exact same views in TV/Movies. It's completely distracting and serves nothing but to distract from what is happening.

Do I feel characters shouldn't be sexualized? Nah. As long as it fits the story. Heck, I always romance someone in my playthroughs. But, I want that sexualization to mean something more than just "butt shot! when discussing war plans or serious backstory elements that aren't intended to be sexualized at all. I'm fine with sexualizing them when you get romantic with them. No issue. Or when the conversation is casual or even focused on romance or similar nature (like dancing at the bar or partying).

Do I represent the majority of vocal male gamers online? Probably not. But that's still my opinion in both games and other mediums. I don't get the fascination with having sexualization just randomly thrown in when it serves no purpose. And, I don't mean "beautiful women who are good looking" but the focus on them as sexual objects when they're just doing normal stuff or purposeful shots to focus on those things when it has nothing to do with the current scene/story/elements.

[sourOG]

Yeah that’s understandable I can agree with that. The world is much different place than it was even 10 years ago but I still think that’s for games moving forward. These kinds of changes to classics bother me. Not this “ass shots” one in particular but the mindset that classics need to be changed at all to serve some modern stigma.

My romance in mass effect was Tali. It wasn’t about her ass or being sexy, she was just a great character. All of the characters are great and in my mind if they are changing something as trivial as that then what else did they change?

[Pocahontas]

Christopher come on now.... sexualization of characters is ok. It is dumb plain and simple. We are not buying this game for the directors vision we are buying it for our vision which is what the old games were.

[CrimsonWing69]

Look, I’m not a fan of censorship in any form no matter how dumb people feel it is.

[gamer7804]

Right it’s the principle of it. Hard pass maybe pick up when it’s free

[CrimsonWing69]

It really is. Had the game never showed her butt off I wouldn’t have cared, but now that they’re censoring it because people can’t handle a polygonal butt crack imprint in some space yoga pants, that just irks me. We have to cater to the sensibilities of SJWs? Look, let them have their games and let there be games not for them. Why is it with Game of Thrones it’s championed as one of the best television shows and has rampant and gratuitous nudity and sex throughout, but now a butt crack in pants is something we need to take out of a game? It’s just annoying. It’s not like anyone’s cacking it to this stuff. It’s like games are regressing back to NES censorship days.

[wwinterj]

Agreed. This won't be a deal breaker as I still have the originals to go back to however this will make me buy this collection when cheaper. Who knows what more they have meddled with.

[Christopher]

How's it censorship if the director is doing it himself? He's in charge of this stuff and is doing it. He's not being forced to make the change.

[CrimsonWing69]

Um, why’s he making those changes again? He made it pretty clear in the interview.

[Christopher]

Because he felt it was better with them and he's directing the remaster of the games.

Why is anything being changed in the remaster? Because people feel they are better with those changes.

[Mothman1984]

The original director of all 3 games is Casey Hudson. The guy responsible for directing remasters for "legendary edition" is Mac Walters - one of the writers of second and third games. He never directed anything though

[DuckOnQuack35]

So why call it a remaster? Why not call it mass effect sjw version or mass effect reimagined and not really a remaster, we are just saying it's a remaster so people buy the game since bioware went to shit and just caters to sensitive liberals?

[DJStotty]

Let me ask, the rear view shot of Miranda is cut, what about the sex scenes? Wait what, they are still in?

[Gaming4Life1981]

All i wanted was the exact same games with updated graphics higher framerates and all dlc. Nothing about these games needed to be changed imo. I still cant wait as this trilogy is one of my all time favorites.

[gamingisnotacrime]

talent less hacks trying to 'improve' other peoples great work

[Redemption-64]

Actually the project director Mac Walters is a writer and director, known for Mass Effect (2007), Mass Effect: Andromeda (2017) and Mass Effect 3 (2012). Look at his linked profile, and you will see, he has worked as, project, creative, narrative director and writer on games such as Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, Andromeda, and Anthem, but I guess he is a talent less hack trying to improve other people great work right?

[fonduktoe]

No ME3 multiplayer (which was awesome) and now they're pulling shit like this? If they're trying to redeem themselves they sure as hell don't know how. RIP Bioware.

[Hitman007]

Its EA did U actually think U were gonna get something good 😅

[SullysCigar]

Star Wars Squadrons was a real misstep for EA - which is to say it's the only thing they've got right in years!

[CorndogBurglar]

Fallen Order was also great. But I'm also 100% convinced Disney told EA that if another Star Wars game got as much backlash as Battlefront 2 then they would murder them all.

I think the proof for that is the fact that, despite having a fantastic single player campaign, Squadrons is mostly an online multiplayer game. The exact kind of game that EA would have normally loaded up with microtransactions. Yet they didn't.

[drunkenspy007]

They talk about artist integrity, but this is not the same people who built the game, bioware is a very different company now focused on profits. If they cared about the integrity, they would keep the original intact. This is just a cash grab.

[Redemption-64]

Mac Walters is a writer and director, known for Mass Effect (2007), Mass Effect: Andromeda (2017) and Mass Effect 3 (2012). He is literally the project director and has been with the company for 17 years and as you can see, he had a huge role in the first game.

Anyway, what were you saying gain?

[Mothman1984]

Casey Hudson is what I said. He left for a reason don't you think? That reason is BioWare is a shadow of it former self. Mac Walters may still work there (good for him) but most of the studios key figures are gone, there's no denying something went very wrong.

[Redemption-64]

They left the project in the hands of the lead writer. He is free to change whatever he wants and I support whatever changes he wants to make. Just as I support Bluepoint's decision to redo characters, and add some new items to the remake. Some people were crying about them destroying the original and appealing to SJWs, because Bluepoint made one of the NPCs black. Laughable at lest. It's their choice to make those changes, for better or worse and the lead writer, possibly responsible for bringing us the Mass Effect universe, should be free to make the edits that he wants. Plus I am sure if Casey was there those changes would have still taken place.

[ZombieGamerMan]

Remember when the original ME came out and there was an outroar from out of touch conservatives calling the game smutt for having sex scenes.......a decade later and now BioWare censors the game because out of touch liberals call the game problematic. Seriously what happened that people bow down to the censors, where is people's artistic vision, their rebellious attitudes?

[sourOG]

It’s not even a conservative liberal thing. Only in our backwards clown world can you champion the empowerment of women through things like onlyfans but call digital butt focus in video games problematic. There is nothing political or rational about any of it. It’s just ignorant bullshit by idiots who think they know better.

[Grave]

Well, Hideo Kojima won't be playing it. Everyone knows he's an ass man.

[Knushwood Butt]

Unless they add incontinence.

[Eamon]

That change makes perfect sense.

I still remember thinking to myself when playing ME2 how Miranda's ass was so much in your face. This wasn't creative lol. It was merely that the devs liked her ass that much - can't blame them. But it was over the top especially in a serious sci-fi story like Mass Effect.

Thankfully that seems to be the extent of the censorship. Anything more would ruin the legacy of this masterful trilogy.

[gamer7804]

Right because sci-fi shows and movies have never had attractive females in tight clothes to appeal to its audience lol

Don’t be foolish and thinks it stops at Miranda’s backside...

[Eamon]

I never said that. I was talking about the camera angle, not her clothes or physique.

Regardless, I played the original trilogy ages ago and finished it and not planning on replaying it.

[gamer7804]

That’s fair but the intent is the same to showcase their beauty, whether camera angles or clothes. Honestly if they want to do this they should probably it have their characters wear no makeup or skin tight clothes since those are only there to appear more beautiful or sexual...

[Christopher]

***That’s fair but the intent is the same to showcase their beauty,***

LOL. That is not the intent at all. It's to sell sexual fantasies. Beauty and sexual fantasies are not the same thing.

[gamer7804]

@christopher outward beauty but yah inner beauty is different of course. The sex scenes do sell sexual fantasies I would agree. Which of course are still present. The game is just inconsistent now.

[AnotherGamer]

Or people like her ass a lot, which is fine.

[DuckOnQuack35]

They'll probably shave her head next and make her look like a man just so no one gets their feelings hurt. Look at inquisition most of the women had no hair or looked like a man except 1

[Nacho_Z]

That ass was one of the best things in the game. That's not to say the game wasn't great but the ass was just that good.

[B68W]

You bring in a smoking hot model to play one of the main characters, you better get your money's worth of that ass! lol

[Redemption-64]

Even without reading the comments, I bet some people are saying they were going to get the game, but will now pass.....Personally I cannot wait

[gamer7804]

Right I’m not the originals were good and I have them all. It’s just the principle of clearly unnecessary censorship... it’s like they’ve never watched a sci-fi show ever... passing on this.

[Redemption-64]

I don't think you will be missed...plus I don't consider this censorship at all. Anyway I cannot wait to play this again

[gamer7804]

@redemption If censorship doesn’t bother you then go for it, it’s just a slippery slope that you see a lot of companies and platforms falling on right now and I don’t want to support it. They are a gigantic company they probably won’t care, but that’s not why I’ll be passing.

[Redemption-64]

And as I said, you will not be missed

[DJStotty]

@Redemption-64

Cutting things from games, solely because they could be interpreted as some kind of displaying women in a certain way, in order not to offend anyone, is exactly what it says on the tin :-

Censorship

[Mothman1984]

@redemption I don't think you 'll be missed either

[Redemption-64]

Never said they would...I am definitely not going to be missed weather I choose to get the game or not...but the good thing is am getting the game.

[Mothman1984]

@Redemption-64 I hope you'll enjoy it :) We don't agree on bioware approach to remasters but it doesn't make us enemies.
Good night or day (depending where you are)

btw. I don't think i'll be remembered either but I'm cool with it :)

[CaptainObvious878]

You obviously have very little understanding of the consequences of censorship.

But please continue to tell me how gamer7804 will not be missed while ignoring his arguments.

[Redemption-64]

Oh trust me,, i have a far better under understanding of censorship than most people on this site. This here is not that important for me to lose sleep over. Also the thing is, It's their game, they can do whatever they want with it, and if one of the main people in charge of making the original wants to make some edits to it, hey more power to him and I support his decision to do. Weather for better or for worst, he should have the freedom to do it. If you don't like it move on, there is literally nothing you can ever hope to do about it.

[Battlestar23]

I'm fine with this i play the games for the story and characters i don't spend the game looking at a characters butt like some gamers here have the time to do and these gamers are the same ones that enjoy looking at the underwear of underage characters which is disgusting I'm glad Sony is leading the charge on censoring that.

[annoyedgamer]

10/10 troll post. Almost had me.

[moralsup]

Up next, EDIs cameltoe has been removed

[Gatsu]

Violence and blood is okey, but seeing some ass is so horrible again? Wtf is wrong with western snowflake developers.

[Mothman1984]

They are, like you said "western snowflake developers" - you don't need much more for a disaster

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

Well I was excited for this but now I will probably pass on it.

[Batnut00]

So it’s just a few camera angles lol. What a waste of a article.

[FlameWater]

Microsoft should've bought Bioware

[iggsta3o5]

right so there is no over reaction by society or tik tok, and twitch about Thots nearly exposing themselves for views but a shot camera angle of a clothed Mirandas ass. Oh no the outrage

[gold_drake]

sigh
fair play. not gonna get it at launch then.

[Dixiedevil]

The pearl clutching, arbiters of mortality strike again.

[Outlawzz]

I wasnt planning to get this either way because it's not on switch but that's a terrible decision lol just leave the game as is. Incorporate your ideas into new games not old ones. Your messing with history. The equivalent of whitewashing.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Oh yeah, because shoving Miranda's ass in every cutscene was an 'artistic vision' that the story wouldn't be complete without. To introduce a sexy character with all her assets, for seduction or intimate moments, sure, that serves the story, but every time she gets screen time, no. That's pandering to the horny.

[Tacoboto]

The original trilogy we now know was censored because of fear from Fox News backlash on at least two characters. But now, a change in a camera angle (not character interactions or stories like what happened with the original releases, just a camera angle) and you all cry censorship-boycott?

If only there were some consistency to the things you all claim to stand for.

[B68W]

"The original trilogy we now know was censored because of fear from Fox News backlash on at least two characters."

Link to proof?

[Tacoboto]

Yeah, N4G didn't blow that one up. Jack and Jacob Taylor. Jack was to be pan/bi and Jacob was to be gay. The original products were the result of self-censorship just as this is.

https://www.thegamer.com/ma...

https://gamerant.com/mass-e...

[B68W]

Interesting. As I never really played as FemShep I assumed that Jack was romance-able for her as well based on how her character acted. I was a Miranda guy anyway. Odd that these stories are coming out now, a decade after the fact. Reminds me of JK Rowling retroactively claiming that certain characters in Harry Potter are gay years after the books were published. I also don't think, as the article suggests, that making Jacob gay would have resulted in him being a more popular love interest, he was kind of a lame character. I remember that Fox News segment though and how foolish they looked, I think there was a greater backlash against Fox and Cooper who had her book that she was plugging completely panned on Amazon. Never a good idea to attack gamers.

While I think that Bioware shouldn't have hedged on their creative design, if the stories are accurate about the motivations to change that aspects of the game and not just the opinion of the people in the articles, I will differentiate between that decision and the one to change camera angles. The former was made, at least partially, from a sales point of view. If I think that Gears of War won't sell as well if I make Marcus and Dom gay for each other then I'm not doing that, for example. I can respect that mode of thinking to a degree. Conversely, the decision to de-emphasize Miranda's butt is being made from a political/ideological, etc. standpoint as I can see no benefit to sales by changing it. Just the opposite as we can see from this comment section, consumers who are on guard against anything that resembles censorship either won't touch it or will wait for it to hit the bargain bin.

Additionally, I will say that there is a difference between the two in that the decision to cut back on the romance options was made in-house by the original creators, for better or worse, and thus were not part of the product that gamers experienced and enjoyed, so the knowledge that it 'could have been' in the game is different from it definitely was in the game and now they're changing it to suit the whims of refurbishers a decade after the fact. If the Jack and Jacob romances had been a part of the original product and were being taken out for this remaster(which certainly wouldn't happen these days) then it would be on par with the camera angles decision. Thank you for the links.

[Tacoboto]

That's a lot of words to push your own narrative on this. Excusing censorship influenced from an external source (bigoted ideological conservative talking points) as totally fine. But when it comes from within (getting rid of a camera angle) it's clearly politically motivated.

Dude. They wrote out LGBT stories exactly because of ideological and political influence!

[moomoo319]

Corny. Thats part of the character building for Miranda as the 'perfect woman'. Also for your potential romance....in an M-rated game....

[eXclurel]

Everybody loves ass dude wth?

[Fonsecap]

No problem, modders will fix that

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Welcome to the new world....

[Christopher]

The horror of a new world! Miranda isn't sexualized in a conversation where she's talking about trying to save her sister! Only in some conversations! What have we become when you don't sexualize someone in every conversation possible in a game? Where do we go from here? Where?!?

*faints while holding a handkerchief to my forehead*

[Mothman1984]

@Christopher I know it's a little off topic but I had to adress this: "They're not changing history. The old games exist and always will. They're creating new history, but not changing the old one". I agree - they're not changing history (or the game's story) but they are changing it nevertheless. It may be only small and insignificant change but it did happen. First they change the camera angle (almost unnoticable

[rlow1]

But I can't help but feel that at the time the games were originally made. Their was a focus of wanting to make you fall in love with the character. Which was still an experiment in how to accomplish that. I remember them talking it in EGM Mag. So I believe they took every opportunity to push that visualy to seduce the player. To reinforce your bond with Miranda. Which resulted in more body shots to reinforce that line of thought.
I get why they changed it, but it still alters in very subtle ways the feel of those seduction moments. Listen is it s deal breaker, hell no. But Like Disney that adjusted shots of movies to make them more in line with today. It's still altering the original intent of those that created it. Which no matter how big or small diminishes the experience.

[beanplant]

They do this on purpose to get a reaction out of people. Not really a big deal

[Stanjara]

No thanks!

[rlow1]

Is it a really big deal at the end of the day? No and Yes. No, it won't effect the overall game what so ever. Yes, if we gamers keep saying that games are art or an expression. Would you alter or modernize a Picasso, because you or others didn't like something about it? No, you would stay faithful to it. The reason they cut those scenes is so that other people wouldn't be offended. In that context it is a big deal, because those that modified it did so, not to fix a bug, or something that gimped the experience. But did so out of their own personal views and sensibilities. Censorship plain and simple.

[B68W]

Okay, let's get past the actual subject matter being altered and the poor motivation(IMO) for doing so. The question should be "will taking this action help or hurt our sales of the game?" And I don't see how this change in anyway shape or form helps sell the game. I don't believe there was a portion of potential buyers for this game that were just off-put by the handful of cut-scenes that involved shots of Miranda, which was modeled by the beautiful Yvonne Strahovski, who will now lay down their shekels for the product since the "male gaze" has been subverted.

Conversely, there is a sizable portion of the fan-base and other potential buyers who are repulsed by anything resembling censorship or politically motivated alterations of beloved IPs. The changes can be considered minor, especially to those not invested in the IP, but it won't matter, it's the principle that has been violated. That portion that will be turned off by this story alone, and this will only be the beginning of it, just wait, may not be big enough to seriously damage overall sales but as evidenced by the ratio of commenters in this thread alone that will pass on buying it(at least till it hits bargain bins) it will be a loss that didn't need to happen, especially on behalf of modern squeamish sensibilities.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Just some altered camera changes. I'll manage. Day 1 buy. Been wanting this collection for years and at 60fps.

[SaveFerris]

No more 'Ass Effect' then sadly.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Maybe the PC modding community will fix that in time :D

[OtakuGamer]

I agree with everyone about censorship and how it is stupid to do this, but I read the original article and analyzed the quotes in question. Came with conclusion to this quote: “Kevin (character and environment director Kevin Meek) actually called out some camera cuts that were just… why was that focusing on Miranda’s butt? So in some cases we said, ‘Okay, we can make a change there’. But ultimately, to change an entire character model or something like that wasn’t really… it was a decision that was made as part of many creative decisions and just showing it at the best possible fidelity that we could going forward is really the choice for all of the art that we had.”, that
I'm uncertain about the camera changes because the quote in question seems to be cut and lose some context of the interview, and the developers seem to back paddle on making changes based on last part of the quote.
I will withhold my judgment on changes like this until I see proof of the changes through gameplay or images of the game.

[Sidewinder-]

A total assumption on my part: (pun not intended)

Like most modern companies, employees are given standard goals to work toward in the year. A big one these days is "Inclusivity/Acceptance "which is obviously not a bad thing in and of itself.

I imagine this is something quick and easy the dev team can use/quote in their mid or end-year Performance Reviews to say "Hey, look what I did to meet this goal".

[B68W]

The problem with "Inclusivity/Acceptance&q uot; as a virtue is that to include and accept everything and everyone requires watering things down to a fairly bland degree. Not everyone can handle eating steak, therefore no one gets to. But everyone can handle eating bland oatmeal, therefore that's what everyone gets. Sure, no one goes hungry but few people are happy with their meal.

But yes, I'm sure that'll pop up on a lot of mid-year performance reviews. Would love to see how they annotate that. "Worked as part of team to de-assify iconic game trilogy for modern audiences."

[ActualWhiteMan]

https://youtu.be/0khHh82iNv...

Here you go.

[B68W]

Ha! I looked that one up as soon as I heard this story. I was thinking "Her butt wasn't in that many shots was it?" A shame to mess with art...

[Grave]

Gotta love those curves!! I think some people just be jealous thats all. The funniest part is: she isn't even real. This is like talking about the size of bugs bunny's ears lmao.

[RaveTears]

Hoping someone do a mod to change it back because I am going to missed that ass.

[Rachel_Alucard]

This will get modded back within a day so the content is not a problem. The problem is the message they are saying with this, that it's not okay to have provactive shots of women anymore. Which is what people are concerned over, rather then being able to see it. It's the same with any censorship outcry.

[smashman98]

Eh i get it. It's weird that Miranda is genetically engineered to be this sexual masterpiece. Miranda herself struggles with this. So for the game then to proceed to sexualize her anyway, in at least some respects does contradict her character arc. But then again so does the player proceeding to decide they're going to take her to the bone zone.

Point in case, we're flawed as humans. we always will be. who cares.

VIVA LA ASS!!

[Drithe]

Fuck Sony and Microsoft for bowing to sjw's (Mostly Gay Men) for all this censorship.

[OtakuGamer]

😦
If it happens, it mostly because of the publisher like EA or the developers, not the platform makers. However, we do not know if the changes were made. Wait for gameplay or screenshot of the remastered trilogy to ultimately create a judgment.
Anyway, I hate censorship and pandering, too, so wait for the proper reveal.

[coretone]

I absolutely love censorship!

[anast]

The internet has begun to melt.

[SmoothC911]

Is anyone really surprised? SJW agendas rule the world right now...

[skyrimer]

100% sure there will be a mod on pc to restore those scenes, just like it happened in sfv, ill wait to play it until then, stop censorship.

[potatoseal]

The trick is not to censor dat ass, but to make more Shep ass angles to even the playing field. Equality people lol.

[jcfalcone]

I won't pass this one, but its annoying to have censors here and there.

[InklingGirl]

Damn. I was hoping for VR support so I could motorboat Miranda’s ass!

They went in the other direction...

[Firebird360]

Easy pass.
I honestly couldn't care less if it was being changed for legitimate reasons.
I'm not paying money to support pandering to the woke sjw crowd.
Everything is offensive now somehow and it blows my mind.

[The7Reaper]

Censorship and God awful overuse of lens flare, I wanna thank the devs for helping me save some money.

[porkChop]

Miranda's sex appeal is part of her character. Censoring some camera angles just seems stupid to me. No, it's not the end of the world. But I still disagree with it.

[TheLigX]

Cry me a river you whiny little shit heads. Oh my god! A scene without a butt shot. And y’all call us snowflakes. Haha losers.

[ginganinja]

It's not censoring, it's editing and it happens in EVERY SINGLE GAME OUT THERE.
This decision could have been made before the original game came out and you'd have been none the wiser. Thousands of decisions like this are made with every single game.

[Ristul]

Who is it that they cater to, are people really this sensitive? It's a game were we are shown naked bodyparts of both male and female characters and people of both sexes can be played with different sexual preferences. The original games are still in my collection so no worries, I will not be needing this "upgrade".

[NotanotherReboot]

as a trans gamer, I'm glad they're censoring the problematic areas of the game

[FlameWater]

It's problematic when people enjoy things you don't?

[starforge71]

why the fuck are they changing it now considering what they released in the first time around ill still with the version i have now fuck you EA/BW

[QuePasa87]

I haven't played these so I'm hoping whatever can be modded back can happen and then maybe I can jump in on those versions

[anubusgold]

Remember the fox news attack on mass effect when they hired a stupid psychologist that never even played the game to attack it Ea is just trying to avoid that backlash the game got the first time so they are censoring it they are bending the knee to the feminazis.

[DJStotty]

The new 2021 cancel culture at it's finest. This is the future people, mass censorship.