No Installation For KZ2

Mother H QA manager at Gorrilla Games who are developing Killzone 2 exclusively to Ps3, has confirmed that Kz2 won't have any installation, optional or mandatory.

[Cajun Chicken]

Just keeps getting better! I hope Infamous has the same too.

[sunnygrg]

Resistance 2 and KZ2, Insomniac and Guerrilla Games: Setting the bar for sub-par third party developers.

Edit: And Naughty Dog, thanks to CrippleH below.

[CrippleH]

You forgot NaughtyDog the developers of Uncharted.

[Cajun Chicken]

Naughty Dog are KINGS of seamless games.

See the lack of loading screens and seamless gameplay in:
Crash 2
Crash 3
Jak
Jak2
Jak3
Uncharted

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Insomniac is 2nd party and Guerrilla is owned by Sony now...so they are 1st party.

[Lifendz]

showing the rest of the world how to use PS3 right. Good stuff Sony. Keep justifying my purchase.

[Bathyj]

Gorrilla Games?

Who are they?

[sunnygrg]

^^Guerrilla Games. They are the creators of a game that will blow that smirk off your face in February 2009.

[Bathyj]

Ummmm, did you READ my post, or the article blurb? Or ever seen me here before for that matter.

I think you've misunderstood me.

[ultimolu]

Scooooore!

This makes me even more hyped for the game.

[Killjoy3000]

I wish there was. Since there are no load times throughout entire levels, we might get some sort of Semi-GTA start-up load screen. But, I have faith in Guerrilla, seeing as how they're technical geniuses.

[mikeslemonade]

Nooooo I want an install. It's a fact that things streaming off a Harddrive is faster than anything on disc being red by a lazer. Just think how much faster things would run with an install. If the map takes 5 seconds to load you best believe it probably only take 3 seconds to load on a harddrive. Installs are a good thing not a bad thing.

[iamtehpwn]

Metal Gear Solid 4.
Soul Calibur 4.
Bioshock.
Devil May Cry 4.
Unreal Tournament 3.
Far Cry 2.

You just got F***ING PWNED.

[Kleptic]

the game uses procedural rendering for some textures...and while all others are confirmed to be completely uncompressed...

because of hat, an HDD install seemed unlikely...as procedural textures take up next to zero space, as the rendering process for them is math heavy, as apposed to the normal just streaming and uncompressing...

also...the uncompressed textures will take up TONS of space...which would make them very unlikely to be installed to the HDD...

HDD installs aren't a bad thing...but the use of BD as a major asset (as it never is for a multiplat game, as the 360 doesn't have it), allows some other options that simply weren't there before...streaming in high res textures in uncompressed form is actually easier than utilizing precious ram and processing power needed to uncompress them in real time...which iD confirmed is the major advantage of blu ray right now...so just because there is no HDD install, allowing the streaming to be faster, more power will be focused directly on loading/running the level, rather than unpacking all the textures...this uncompressed data streaming is probably a MAJOR reason that killzone 2 has some things, like lighting and physics, that are significantly ahead of other console games...as they have used BD in a way that frees up processing and memory that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to use on visual effects...

they just have to build the load system around that...which they have done in a way similar to Uncharted (which also had no install)...so I expect everything to be fine...

[trikster40]

MGS 4 - installs at every chapter
DMC4 - install (optional)

Those were first gen games though( well for the devs they were) so they are excused :)

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

This kind of programming should quiet the talkers about installs, complaining that it's mandatory. Plus being a first party developer this is not only setting the bar for games in general but all PlayStation 3 developers complaining about the technology.

[phosphor112]

minus MGS4, thats simply because kojima even said there were space issues.

[BLuKhaos]

This game is looking to be too good to be true.Something is going to go wrong,I can just feel it.either way KZ2 FTMFW!!!!!

[CrippleH]

Hope it's seemless like UNCHARTED!!!

Show them 3rd party how it's really done.

Let Kojima in you're programming inner circle tech sharing Sony he deserves it.

[GVON]

they will give it their best shot

http://boardsus.playstation...

[CrippleH]

Kind of like How Uncharted did.

Nice!

[Elimin8]

But I gave you a bubble for your statement.

[CrippleH]

Oh didn't noticed that. Wasn't thinking properly.
Seemless experience are to awesome to think properly.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Wow ! Nice job GG !

[L Ronald Hubbard]

FTMFW.

This game will rock. :D

[Johnny Rotten]

oh it's just Kotaku re-writing thier "5 reason's why Killzone is not a true next gen experience" article.

[CrippleH]

Kotaku's reasons.

1) It actually takes skills to be good in the game.
2) Seemless experience, loading = next gen.
3) It's to gray.
4) The battlefield in war is colorful with rainbows.
5) Not on 360.

That's my take on their reasons.

[callahan09]

Kotaku's Killzone 2: Five Good Things article:

5.Combat Itself: Killzone 2 multiplayer manages to maintain the fluid speed of the single player experience without sacrificing the looks that get the game featured in so many “look how pretty this game is” magazine spreads. Combat takes place at the perfect speed for me - not Unreal quick, but not Lost Planet slow. Just right.

4. Spawning Mechanics: Dying in Killzone 2 multiplayer brings up a map of possible spawn points, as well as a camera displaying what is going on at each locations, allowing you to pick the location that best fits your play style. When playing with a squad, players can choose to respawn on their squad leader to get right back into the action. Very handy when your squad leader finds himself all alone guarding an objective with tons of enemy inbound.

3. The Badge System: The Badge system represents the different classes you can play in multiplayer, from scout to engineer to medic. Each of the six badges have their own skill sets. Where Killzone 2 makes things interesting is that you can combine the power of two badges to create your own class based on your own particular play style. Want an engineer with healing skills? A stealthy soldier with a bazooka? Knock yourself out!

2. Dynamic Missions: Instead of playing one mission type and then waiting for the new map to load before beginning another, Killzone 2 features dynamic missions, which allows you and your friends to play through multiple game types on one map without loading.

1. Fully Destructible Toilets: Yes, I checked.

http://kotaku.com/5040775/k...

[callahan09]

I don't understand this website sometimes. What is with the users here? There is absolutely nothing to disagree with. I quoted an article and provided the link to the source.

[Aclay]

This is something that I've noticed with most PS3 1st party exclusives, very few installs.

Hardly ANY 1st party PS3 exclusives have installs at all, while it's mostly 3rd party games on the PS3 that have mandatory installs... and if a PS3 1st party exclusive has a mandatory install, usually it's a pretty small install. 1st party PS3 developers just know their way around the PS3's tech much more.

And Even if KZ2 had a mandatory install (regardless of size), I would install it to my PS3 with pride. Can't wait for February to come baby!

[GVON]

It's because they build their engines this way,because ps3 was designed to do this. because the cell is a quick cpu it constantly needs feeding,and this is why Blu-ray has a constant read speed to make sure you don't get a brake in the flow of data

Well I think that's the case,I'm prepared to get told otherwise and if any tech heads got links I can't wait to read them.

[DJ]

Constant read speed, regardless of location on the disc or if it's 1st or 2nd layer. DVD has issues with those two areas in that it's very unpredictable.

[shine1396]

What about their biggest one?
Gran turismo.

edit: ah forget that. if there has to be an exception on any platform, I'd say Gran Turismo is and should definitely be the that one.

[KingDizzi]

I am sure Guerrilla got some tips from Naughty Dog

[SWANN]

Actually, the tips came from Insomniac Guerilla stated that they are very close with the insomniac guys, which I think is real kool.

[shine1396]

yeah, I read that as well, but nd have said pretty much the same thing...

[pwnsause]

well this shows alot of things:

If a game that has Near CGI visuals can have no installs what so ever, why cant 3rd party devs learn to do the same thing? Im going to have to give Criterion games props because they are possibly the only third party company that knows how to develop games on the PS3. In Terms of first party, its split, they've all been doing a great job so far.

More and more the Myth about the Blu-Ray Drive being slow is becoming BullSh*t. The problem are the developers who do not know how to develop on the PS3.

[Perjoss]

I don't see what the big deal is, installs are not a bad thing. The ps3 sure is a bullet proof machine but nothing is indestructible and when things do finally start to fail on it I'm 90% sure the blu ray drive will be the first thing to go. Installs prolong the life of that drive.

[Danja]

Great....3rd party lazy devs are you taking notice...

[thewhoopimen]

3rd party devs aren't necessarily lazy... they just aren't quite on the cutting edge with their tech as 1st party devs are. 1st party has access to very new stuff that hasn't quite entered the drawing boards of 3rd party.

[PotNoodle]

They are using the old "slow blu-ray drive" excuse to cover their bad programming.

The fact is blu-ray has a much higher data transfer rate than DVD which eliminates the need for a faster blu-ray drive.

Sony have been making hardware since the 1940's, they have been at the forefront of many of the worlds technological advancements, thinking they would make such a silly mistake of putting a slow blu-ray drive in their system is stupid.

[Nathaniel_Drake]

Gotta thank Ken for that, that guy is an engineering genius!!!

[pwnsause]

Ken Kutaragi is an electrical Engineer, So he automatically is a Genius. as an EE major, he knows all about Power and Circuits. He knows how to deal with such hardware.

[BLuKhaos]

It would be better for us gamers if Sony and Microsoft teamed up to make a console in the future.With Sony's expertise in hardware design and Microsoft's expertise in software design any console made by these two could possibly sell into the 10 digits.

[cmrbe]

optional install IF it improves the game proformance. Either way, Good job GG.

Uncharted is still the best for me technically with no load times.

[elorm9]

But I think they'll make the "loading" like IG did with Resistance 2. During the cutscenes, they'll probably have the game loading in the background.

[RememberThe357]

Sony invested well when they decided to expend their first part dev teams.

It's funny because people thought that buying GG was a waist of money.

[CrippleH]

Nobody is thinking that now unless they are haters.

I think they bought them for around 250 mill. Forgot it's so long ago.

[cmrbe]

was not a bad game at all than people made it out to be. Sony already had a good working relationship with GG before they bought it.

Although KZ1 didn't live up the hype. Sony i am sure saw great potential in GG.

Now we are starting to see why Sony had so much faith in them when alot in the industry were already writing them off.

KZ2 will be the moment of truth for GG.

[rockleex]

While many people and companies are too shortsighted to see or care about potential, Sony is one of the few companies that focus on potential.

Potential = future.
And Sony knows that future will at some point be NOW.

Other companies can't afford to bank on potential because they don't have the strategy to turn potential into kinetic. (potential energy/kinetic energy)

Sony knows EXACTLY how to turn potential into kinetic. Killzone 2 is proof of this... among many other things.

[Beg For Mercy]

OWNED GUESS WHAT FF13 ON 360 MIGHT HAVE A MANDATORYINSTALL THANKS TO DVD9

[tehReaper]

You should never talk in caps, kid. Just like you should never throw a bong. :P

[Oner]

Dante - That is pure F'ing insanity...No I'm talking about the guy who threw your bong. You should never throw a bong kid. Ever. ~ Grandma's Boy - Classic!

[ravinshield]

oblivion...4.6gb required
sony may cry 4...4.7gb-20 min install
full auto 2...1.7gb required
spider man 3...2.3gb-five min install
hot shot golf...5gb-five min install
skate...2.5gb--five min install
rainbow six vegas 2...3.4gb required
wwe smackdown vs raw 2008....2.3gb required
F.E.A.R...2.5gb required
NBA 07....3gb-ten min install
lost....3.6gb---six minute install
conflict denied ops...2.5gb required
beowulf---2.5gb---five minute install
GT prologue--5349MB..13 minutes install
Quake=4.1 GB install
GTA 4...5 min install.
battlefield:BC...300mb required
Bourne Conspiracy..5GB Install required
metal gear solid 4...8 min install,4.6 GB required
BIOSHOCK......5.0 GB required, 10 min mandatory install
Vampire Rain....3.8GB install required
Fracture...1900MB required=4 minutes
little big planet....600MB Install required
Socom Confrontation... 3.1GB Install required
Far Cry II....3.5 gb install required
NBA 09 The Inside....2.5gb required
Resistance 2...350mb required
Killzone 2...stupid players required

[Johnny Cullen]

Sebastian Downie = Win

It shows how much win Gurillia Games are right now.

[zo6_lover27]

Shows what devs can do if they actually try to work with the ps3

[Nitrowolf2]

So if this game runs as smooth as everythink it is then they really done a great job. Other should take notes on this on also look at isomaniac, how they limit there install download.

[name]

Meanwhile bioshock needs a 5 gb install when it isn't nearly as technically demanding or graphically beautiful as killzone 2.

[bviperz]

Then move to other consoles. Take care of the hard stuff first.

[Bathyj]

They should ditch UE3.0 too.

[callahan09]

Totally agree. Unreal Engine sucks ass. Gears 1, Gears 2, Unreal Tournament 3, Lost Odyssey, Last Remnant, Bioshock, and especially Mass Effect all have ridiculous texture pop-in problems. What the hell?

[PirateThom]

Anyone who disagreed with the above may well be blind. Unreal Engine 3, especially on consoles, has been notorious for being really suseptible to texture pop ins.

It's a major limitation of the engine.

[SL1M DADDY]

It looks nowhere near as impressive as KZ2. The Beta, private showings and the playable demo they have put out in the last two years have shown that this game goes the extra mile when it comes to detail. Comparing it with other games is just not doing it justice. And on that note, knowing that Bioshock required an install just shows that they were using the old compressed data on the disc method whereas GG is leaving much of their textures and what not uncompressed and pulling the data directly off the disc durring play.

[bviperz]

That 3rd party devs major complaint was devloping on the PS3 is HARD. Time to share notes devs. Change the 'is' to 'was'.

[joevfx]

blu rays drive speed isnt fast enough in my opionin. id rather wait the install time then wait in game and have wear and tear on my blu ray drive.

[Bathyj]

Without trying to be mean or attack you, your opinion is obviously misguided.

There would be an install if they needed it. IF. They dont, hence your conception of BR is not accurate. You probably listen to the haters too much. Thats ok, chicks love a good listener.

Seriously, I'm not attacking you. At least I speak up, rather than just clicking disagree.

[badz149]

have you ever try to play Uncharted? it's an awesome game and the leap from one chapter to another without a slight loading screen was amazing considering it doesn't have install at all and it was Naughty Dog 1st PS3 title! it has near to no texture pop-in and easily one of the best looking game this gen! so yeah...no install is indeed better so that we can utilize the space in HDD for something else rather than game installs!

[Oner]

"blu rays drive speed isnt fast enough in my opionin"

No offense but that is why it is only your OPINION and not fact. Speed has nothing to do with it, it is the AMOUNT of information of which is passed between/through of which that matters (big pipeline @ slower speed gives equal or more info). It comes down to CAV (standard DVD) vs CLV (PS3 BD). Read more about it here for a better descriptor http://www.pcguide.com/ref/...

Uncharted, Resistance 1 & Resistance 2 have proven it is not an impossibility. It only shows what good devs can do when they put the right amount of time into something.

[baum]

I actually like installations. They greatly enhance the experience. Even if it's seamless and there are little to no loading times, installing games improves the experience even more.

Game installs FTMFW

[plain rice]

I hope you clowns saying "Bluray is slow" would shut up now.

[Sevir04]

another game that falls under the no loading seamless gameplay comes from Haze developer Free Radical and they were 3rd party as well. so seamless gameplay engines can be done. insomniac's engine though didn't start out that way.. as resistance one and ratchet had installs. it's just that over time there engine becomes more easier to use and i'm sure the next ratchet game wont have an install since R2 didn't and you can add the next ND title to that as well. I hope the other devs like heavy rain and War devil and David Jaffe's new games doesn't have an install and supports seamless gameplay and streaming

[LethalToxins]

Why would Jaffe have an install? I thought he said he was done with big titles and only doing casual stuff now...

[Sevir04]

his first PS3 offering CACs wasn't as successful as he'd hoped it would be. So he's doing big games again from his company eat sleep and play. and is contracted by Sony for 3 exclusives games. the first one of which is twisted metal on PS3.

[Yawnier]

The Playstation 3's currently got the best lineup on the market for 2009.

Killzone 2
Infamous
God Of War 3
DC Universe
Wardevil
Uncharted 2 (assuming)
Rathchet and Clank Future 2 (assuming since insomniac release a ps3 game every every year)
Home

and more

[callahan09]

At the end of Quest for Booty, it says the next R&C will be coming out in Fall of 2009. Now, ordinarily I'd say that's a long ways away to put much stock in that date, but it's Insomniac. They're extremely reliable and always have a game ready in the fall.

[jack who]

i lol'd

[smurfie4]

The wonders of streaming.

[GVON]

yeah man,especially when you got disks that hold 50gb of data.

[thereapersson]

Nervous laughter... maybe. Or maybe you laugh at the realization that the 360 can never achieve this type of graphical fidelity. Or maybe you laughing to stave off the fear that this game will destroy all other shooters before it?

I laugh because you're an ignorant fool.

[krouse93]

This is great news now i don't have to buy a new hardrive soon anymore.

[theEnemy]

While the 360 is starting to install games, the PS3(1st party devs) are starting to minimize it.

[ultimolu]

Lol, so true.

[FantasyStar]

Not quite, with 360 - the Installs are optional, unlikes the PS3 Versions. But both are good in their regard. The home-field advantage is Sony's though because we can put SSDs in ours and when finally the day that Sony allows full-game installs too. PS3 will be the de-facto standard for near-streamless experience.

(wishful thinking, I know)

[elorm9]

That's the irony of it

[cyclindk]

"Not quite, with 360 - the Installs are optional, unlikes the PS3 Versions. But both are good in their regard. The home-field advantage is Sony's though because we can put SSDs in ours and when finally the day that Sony allows full-game installs too. PS3 will be the de-facto standard for near-streamless experience."

The only slight addition you need to make is why. Why 360 has optional installs is because not every 360 is equipped with a hard drive; if you say it like you said it, it sounds like some kind of advantage when it's really a limitation :)

[no-spin]

the most good that comes out of the install option for the 360 is to protect the hardware. It is widely publicized that the 360 is very poor quality, which is a shame because i enjoy mine more than the PS3 (for now).
I'm extremely satisfied in installing all my games, so that the dvd drive runs way smoother. Although it truly sucks to have to buy the over priced Microsoft Hard Drive. But is Optional!!

I guess nothing is perfect
Can't wait for Killzone 2 and God of War 3!!!!!!!

[ReTarDedFisHy]

I guess that's OK, but I'd gladly offer any amount of space on my HDD for Killzone 2. :S

[Alcohog]

I can care less either way, personally.

[Doctor Strange]

I actually don't mind optional installs especially if I know i'm going to be playing for a while but credit goes to GG for this.

[poeo]

sooo i guess they're pretty much the most talented devs out there.

i mean installations make games run and load smoother.. if they dont even need to do that with a hugely demanding game like KZ2, then i dunno what to say..

[Raoh]

sounds good to me.

[funkycoldmedina]

Great information for all the PS3 owners low on original HDD space.

[elorm9]

On my 80GB drive, I've probably got about 30 GBs left. Mostly due to my music, demos, and themes.

[funkycoldmedina]

I've got 9GB left on my 60GB HDD. I've also got some recent demoes that I haven't gotten to trying then deleting (R2 & LBP are to blaime). This should be the new PS3 trend as Uncharted, R2 and even Dead Space don't require gigs of HDD install space to play smoothly and look so darn good. This is great information. I'm about to purchase for my nephew and brothers the new MGS4 PS3 (metal grey) 40GB bundle each. KZ2 is definitely one of the games we will all be playing together online since we all live hours apart. No mandatory install should be the new standard, now if only Sony shared the knowledge.

[LinuxGuru]

Wooooow....that kind of graphical fidelity with no installation is sheer WIZARDRY!

Unbelievable.

[Cyber Gamer]

next gen 2 me starts after this game

damn 3 to 4 months to go cant f***ing wait lol

[Kush_Reaper]

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and brats, i present to you the best f@cking game come febuary hehe.

OBAMA!!!

[cyclindk]

Mutha fuggin yizzle, that's right; mutha-fuggin-yizzle!!!

[yeswecan84]

Sweet.

[Serjikal_Strike]

to a 5 minute install...itll give me time to get my soda and popcorn ready! KILLZONE 2 FTW

[thereapersson]

Or maybe you would be hungry and you wanted to make a sandwich? How are you supposed to make a sandwich now that there will be no install?

You could always pop in Devil May Cry 4 and give yourself some time... ;-)

[PS360PCROCKS]

Bout damn time somebody got it right. I guess 100+million dollars and 4 years can do the trick.

[Why o why]

yeah, i suppose it can;)

[no-spin]

is this true?
insane amount of money in a Single Game
talking about putting all your eggs in one basket!!

[Jager]

... its 2 years not 4... GG didnt finish KZ: Liberation until 2006... so its 2-3 years. same Dev time that Halo 2 and 3 had.

[xaviertooth]

i want to see stupid fuuck gamespot review this:

"there is no install, so we give this game a 6/10!"

just like what they did with R&C "there are a lot of variety...", and score it low.

go to hell gamespot, fuuck you all laughing stock of gaming journalism! you are all son of biitches!!!

[crillyconlig]

killzone2 isnt seemless unless its changed on final release, it stops the play occasionaly, be it extreamly briefly, loads then carrys on

[GVON]

if your talking about the single player vids,they've said since 07 this will be sorted by release,now I can't say if thats true and they will nail it because I don't have the game but they seem fairly certain it will,we might see that when the December the 4th footage becomes available the they have nailed it but you can never be sure until it's in you system at home.

[Magic_The_Celt]

Nice. Guerrilla Games = Quality devs.

[killcycle]

i gues were so used to cheap ports that the only thing evening the muliplatform games out are these big ass installs.

Don't think it will hold killzone 2 back. The ps3 don't need installs to run it's games perfectly the devs just find it easier using them. Just take a look at uncharted.
No installs, No loading, Amazing game

[na2ru1]

because this is only the beginning of PS3.

360's best is Gears2 and Alan Wait He's Still Asleep

[MiloGarret]

It's the beginning of the ps3? Two years after release...? That was unbelievably stupid.

I thought RFOM, was the beginning, then it was home, then it was Lair (lol), then it was home, then it was mgs4 (no revolution there...), then it was home, then it was resistance 2 (d-oh!), then it was LBP (double d-oh!), then it was home, and now apparently its KZ2...

What will be the beginning of the ps3 in march 09? Not home, right?

You're not frightening anyone, we've all heard the "this is the end of the xbox 360" rants a million times before and we'll keep hearing them well into the next gen. Same goes for "this is the end of the ps3" rants, fanboys fail, miserably, at logic and life.

[na2ru1]

How could PS3 possibly go beyond, it's unimaginable

[sephy 9 2 5]

on the PS3 aren't really improving performance enough anyway so I applaud Guerilla Games for a no install.

[Anon1974]

If these installs are mandatory, how on earth do you know they aren't improving performance?

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

If this has to do with how the system manages data from BLuray- while data is loaded in and out of Ram then great but if this effects that very fact that game play and graphics are effect durring some parts of the game (as crap is loaded in and out)then forget it!! Install on Hard Drive!!!\
It better be good through out! seemless loads and no hit on performance or texture quality!!!

So your saying we can have seemless world the size of 50 GB!!!!!

[man0fsteel]

haters of this game took a double take at this Story title

[zonetrooper5]

First party devs have more access to alot of resources compared to a third party dev which has to worry about developing on mutiple platforms so it can make money. Calling them lazy because they don't have the resources to take advantage of the PS3 is plain silly, sure there are third party devs who could of done better but it will take them time to do that. Hell, how much did Killzone 2 cost and look at long it has taken to make the game and you will see why they have gotten alot of things right.

[xwabbit]

Things just keep getting better in PS3 ^_^

[Gerard Way]

Installs arent needed for a game to perform well and be enjoyable.
Its funny how so many tunes changed in here(based on the comments).
Its fun watching the sheep line up everyday, in the patterns and formations that N4G's articles suggest.
Opinions are the only thing we have that TRULY belong to us. Find your own, and cherish it.

[GWAVE]

This may sound weird and crazy...

But I actually LIKE it when games have an install option. Most multiplatform games are the exception to that since the install rarely adds any benefit, but there are a lot of games that cut down on the pop-in and load times if you install them on your PS3.

I don't complain if there ISN'T an install, and games like Uncharted have proven that you can have huge, gorgeous game worlds on the PS3 with no install required, but I still like the option.

[TheDesperado]

Holy sh!t!
This is it, fellas. This separates the men from the lazy devs.