Report: Killzone 2 Multiplayer Beta

Digital Foundry, a company that makes video capture hardware, has had their experts look at the graphics in the Killzone 2 multiplayer beta.

[Tubby McNutsack]

It's BONERIFIC!

[INehalemEXI]

It would be nice if later we find there are female Helgahn's running around in the single player. Can't wait for 08 to be over.

[BulletToothtony]

to get in her pants i would definitely would have to lie about her pretty eyes thou..

[sonarus]

Haters...be damned

[ThanatosDMC]

I dont like the whole "YEAH!!!" when killing enemies. It's a reminder for Haze or Gears. If it's war, shouldnt it be more dark rather than a testosterone filled lame crap?

It's like after you witness your whole village get massacred and you kill one of the enemies, then you yell out "PWNED! Respawn B****!!!"

[pavarotti]

truly amazing! i'll be getting a n4g favourite "console BUNDLE" for this bad-boy....not long now!

any beta testers reading. lucky bast^*ds. am i right; is this 32 players on-line dedicated servers?

[marinelife9]

And that's based off a multiplayer Beta.

[lukewind]

Killzone 2 looks really good, but I have seen the rage engine pull off graphics that put this to shame and its running really well on both consoles. The Sony fanboys will only have a few months to try and claim better hardware. The truth of the matter is that its all about the software in the end.

The only vids they show of KZ2 so far show very little activity. It doesn't seem to pull off the feeling of a fight all that well, I think they are sacrificing gameplay to try and make a graphical showcase, which in the end could haunt them. Oh well we will have to wait and see.

[sirbigam]

The only game along with GodOfWar 3 I would actually start pre-ordering for the first time. Epic games like this don't really come that often for a console (epic = rediculous efort and time put in to)

[TheSadTruth]

My observations:
-Best lighting I've ever seen
-Best smoke effects I've ever seen
-Best animation I've ever seen in a FPS

Gameplay looked extremely dull though, don't flame me, but it did in that video, I haven't played the beta but hopefully it's a little more exciting than that segment. If you argue that the gameplay in that video segment wasn't dull, you are just a fanboy.

[INehalemEXI]

That video is pre-alpha single player g4 couldnt use the vids from the beta because sony asked digital foundry to take them down.

However, as Fishy Fingers pointed out the vids @ http://www.maxconsole.net/?... are of the beta and are full of win.

I agree with these experts its undisputed but they did go a bit crazy on the motion blur.

lol @ BulletToothtony

[sonarus]

@sad truth...i can't vouch for singleplayer since i haven't played it but as far as beta goes...it is very very very far from boring

[Doppy]

The graphics are amazing, the gameplay looks very very solid. But let's hope they change some of the voice acting. I know shooters aren't known for their voice overs, but some of the characters and their quotes are laughable.

Come on Killzone don't give reviewers any reason to mark that beautiful 10/10 down.

[Sarcasm]

Hahahaha "Bonerriffic!"

Family Guy is hilarious.

[RememberThe357]

I am such a fanboy for this game! 2009 is going to going to be kick ass if you own a PS3.

[Dir_en_grey]

at 2:36 hard shadow maps pop in on the wall... I hate that to death about the next gen games...

Same thing happened again at 3:42 on the right wall.

I don't understand why add that stupid shadow map if both next gen consoles rarely do high quality shadow maps. It always ends up to be low res shadows and looks flickery really ugly.

Just remove it...

Hopefully some beta testers or developers see this post and report it for fix.

[macalatus]

@sad truth,

Each man to his own. So, using your logic, anyone who doesn't find Halo dull a fanboy?

[Kleptic]

all I know is that the beta is an absolute blast...i seriously would have waited to get Resistance 2 had I known i would have received a key a day later...its all I have done since I got in...

but I totally agree with the sad truth on what was in that video...the multiplayer will impress anyone that gives it an hour or two...and i wouldn't really say that that single player video looked 'dull' gameplay wise...but garza sounds like a total douche...and his pointless banter would seriously make me want to shoot him instead of the HG...and some of the HG voices were equally cheesy...

the good news though is that the video was from the spring build...and GG confirmed that the voices of the 'pre-alpha' build where thrown together extremely quickly (like literally in a day) for that demo...and that the final version would have much better voice overs, and would remove a lot of garza's cheeseball crap altogether...as the anticipating forum users were quite vocal on how retarded he sounded...

and I believe them...the voice work in the multiplayer is very good...with the commanders of each faction belting out orders in a realistic fashion...not to mention the several minutes of propaganda put together for each faction as well...It really would surprise me if the voice work for multiplayer was insanely better than that of single player...so all signs point to that being fixed so far...

and whatever this guy said about 'its not stuff we haven't seen yet this generation, its just not all of this has been in one game' is a little skewed...this game does some tech aspects so far beyond anything else that its simply not comparable...the lighting for example...nothing comes close...Killzone 2's ridiculous lighting engine will rival ANY real time lighting engine to date...that includes PC juggernaut Crysis...and a PC running Far Cry 2...its fun to try to find a fault with it...because you can't...there are random classroom chairs laying around the Radec Academy...you can kick it around and watch how the shadows work perfectly with different light sources...its awesome, but that kind of thing has been done before...so blow a hole in the seat bottom...and you see the hole in the shadow...blow 3 holes in it, or devide the back rest in half with bullet holes...and everything emulates perfectly with the lighting too...bullet penetration like CoD 4; but with physical holes made in the material, and even real time light shining through it...that may sound like a small detail...but it confirms what some where saying about certain rooms that have zero light...and you have to blow holes through the walls to allow outside light to shine in...

not to mention there is just something completely awesome about seeing your own shadow in an fps, but more imporantly (as that has been done plenty of times)...seeing how your own shadow casts onto another player in online multiplayer...

and i won't even start on the animation...tech wise...this game is miles ahead of everything else...

[somethingSQUISHY]

Those videos you linked looked great, but it seemed like there was a lot of lag or frame rate drops or something. Is that just due to crappy video quality, or is the framerate really that bad in MP? It's just a little disconcerting, since that was a major flaw with the original Killzone.

[BulletToothtony]

the beta is really miles better than most expected it to be... I'm quite excited about this game..

I hope the collectors edition comes with a helghan figurine or something.. they look bad ass..

[Capital G]

hopefully they will delay killzone 2 so they can fix the flaws

[hfaze]

Man I hope that was sarcasm...

That little video clip, even with the slight flaws, blew away anything I've ever seen on a console... Gears of War 2 looks damn good, but this just made me brick my pants... :-P

February can't possibly come quickly enough!

[sonarus]

the flaws refer to the beta which include frame rate dips...i hardly notice them but from the devs frame rate is locked in single player and they are tackling it for multiplayer...remember this is just a beta build

[Michael Jackson]

Hopefully they delayed your birth so they can fix the flaws of your face.

[TheExecutive]

lol @ MJ. too funny

[GameDev]

someone needs to tell homie that devil-locks haven't been in style since Glen Danzig and his bunch of weirdos wore them in the 80's.

[Sarcasm]

I can vouche that during the most heaviest of action, the frame rate does drop. But it doesn't "crawl" at a snail's pace either. I'm thinking the worst it got was about 20fps. It was still a smooth transition up and down too, and it's not like it immediately spiked down to that frame rate.

But Seb Downie already posted that they are working on the frame rate for the multiplayer. It's gonna take some black magic like Insomniac to pull it off.

But given the game still has more than 3 months to go. I don't have any worries.

[boodybandit]

I thought you were being sarcastic until I checked your profile.
710 score 39 ignore

[Yipee Bog]

The servers? even those are minuscule
^^^^ above me, make that 40
And Capitol G, I hope thats not a picture of you. looks like you just got done fondling 5 year old boys in your mom and dads basement

[Kleptic]

I guess its 'illegal' for us to talk about this...but whatever...I don't see the harm as they are letting these previewers do it...

the beta forum has a huge list of 'known issues'...and about 3rd down on that list is delayed deaths (which you probably noticed if you are in the beta, or watched any footage so far)...of which was confirmed to be an issue with lag and the framerate...and has a developer explaining how the the framerate is nearly completely locked at 30fps, and still being optimized, for the final build...and that lag has also been addressed, but can be expectedly unavoidable in all cases considering the beta does not use dedicated servers yet (rumors are they will go up for testing before the beta closes)...so we are playing 32 player matches on some kids DSL connection at times...

the final release will have 'mountains' of high speed dedicated servers...and if the framerate really is better in the final build, it won't be an issue...I notice it chugging at times also, but the good news is that its not players on screen or anything like that...it can chug for no reason in a room by yourself...and can run without a hitch with 30 other players on screen also...its just a matter of the beta being an older build, and certain map areas simply aren't fully optimized yet...it can make aiming a pain...but the beta users have been vocal about it, so there is no question that GG knows its something very important...important enough they included it in that list to stop making threads about it...

[Tryst]

Michael J - thats the funniest thing I have heard all day

[solidt12]

goty 2009

[Sony Rep]

I guess teh Cell does exist... :O

Killzone 2 and Heavy Rain>> every console game

Only on the PLAYSTATION®3

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

Next gen started on the wrong console!!!

[ChrisGTR1]

didnt you just watch the sessler soapbox?!? go look at it again fanboy

[RememberThe357]

Some one sounds a little brittle...

[Sony Rep]

Only on the PLAYSTATION®3

It's getting clear that when Sony said next-gen started when they said so...they meant it.

[P]

Agreed

[Xbox Street Gang]

Dammit, I thought I bought a next generation console.

Anyways, back to Too Human...

[lukewind]

You need to get a life my man!

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

2009 -

KillZone 2,
God Of War 3,
GT5,
Heavy Rain,
MAG,
FF 13 Versus,
White Knight Chronicles[Rest of the World anyway],
Uncharted 2???,
EyePet,
Flower,
InFamous,
Fat Princess[Gabe Newell&pp],
Ratchet&Clank[2009]...
;-P

GOD!!! THANK!!! Er GOD;)!!! WHEN I WENT INTO THE GAME SHOP I SAID...
'Can i have a PS3 Please'!!! ;-P
And NOT - 'Can i have a xBox 360 Please'!!! ;-D

[ultimolu]

And no damn FUD will change that.

[Gerry]

Lol i can belive someone gave you a disagree. I clicked agree Btw.

[theKiller]

they need to work more on the AI, they were so easy to kill, and cant aim and shoot at u properly

[P]

Killzone 2>>>Gears of War 2

[Shadow Man]

In graphics.

[P]

Y'see,all those neat little touches that made Gears 1 a great game?They're in KZ2 only done differently and more brilliantly.

Gears of war 1&2 succeeded because they accurately nailed the 3rd person Action shooter feel,and in doing so it delivered a series thrilling sensations,such as;the sensation of being the last person left on a team on a Map such as Escalation,the sensation of hearing someone from the opposite team rev up a Lancer,the sensation of seeing a member of the opposite team roadie run towards you with a frag,or the sensation of downing a person with an Active and trying to take off their head the instance they get up?

Killzone 2 delivers this and much much more ^ in its own unique way.If you thought the Hammer of dawn was brilliant,wait until you see what Killzone 2 brings.If you thought emergence holes were brilliant,wait until you see what...''things'' Helghan are able to ''come out from''.If you thought riding a Reaver was brilliant,wait until you see what you can ride in KZ2.

You literally have no idea just how much Guerrila have outdone themselves,none at all.

[morganfell]

Absolutely. It is Mona Lisa over a 3rd grade finger painting. It is The Pieta over a play-doh factory. It is the Sistine Chapel over the crayon drawings of a 3 year old left on the table at a Sizzler Steakhouse. It is the power of Killzone 2 over the muddy graphics of Gears of War2. It is the PS3 over the 360.

As regards comments above, why not. MGS4 easily handed ever game released to date their collective asses in graphics alone, not to mention game development.

MGS4 is a tour de force of game making and a master stroke of story telling.

You can jump, you can scream, you can say it doesn't matter but MGS4 is the pinnacle of gaming to date and if you don't have a PS3 you can claim it doesn't matter all you want.

But if you have one DNA strand of a real gamer in you then you know that the sour grapes claims of jealous 360 sole console owners do not amount to a hill of beans. MGS4 matters.

It runs the gamut of the human experience and questions duty, honor, loyalty, friendship, justice, fate, love, hate, dying and living. It is the human experience tossed in brilliance upon a violent and beautiful canvas. It preaches nothing and questions everything. MGS4 is the one game that absolutely should not be missed.

[Gun_Senshi]

I masturbate on KZ2 Graphics.

[Michael Jackson]

:D

[blusoops]

For anyone in the beta...can some one please tell me what the official forum is where we're supposed to give our thoughts and suggestions? It was in the beta email invitation, and my wife deleted mine. I was still able to get the code (thank god!) but i never wrote down the official forum address. If some one could reply or send me a pm I'd really appreciate it!!

BTW the beta is effin AWESOME!!!

[INehalemEXI]

http://beta.killzone.com/kz lucky bastages anonamous.

[Kleptic]

yeah, go there...it will make you sign with your PSN ID first...then go to forums...and the beta forums will be there...if you don't sign in, or go to the regular www.killzone.com site, the beta forum will not show up on the forum list...

[P]

Killzone 2>>>COD4+Gears of war 2

[Panthers]

+ Halo

[na2ru1]

when did halo ever matter?

big marketing and sales woohoo. nothing to envy

[sniper4534]

HAHAHAH DUDE THERE SOMETHINGS IN GOW2 THAT KILLZONE WOULD NEVER DO, KILLZONE IS JUST ANOTHER FPS WITH GOOD GRAPHICS THATS ALL BUT THE GAMEPLAY FEELS LIKE IF BEEN DONE BEFORE LOL

[P]

Graphic-wise,Gameplay-wise,Sal es-wise,you name it.

Don't start crying because you can't afford a Ps3 to play the AAAA exclusive of the year,get a job and maybe then you'll realize why:

MGS4>All Gears of war games

[Rocky87]

LOL ... don't fool yourself

[Sony Rep]

To be honest, I have never seen a 360 game that can't be done on the PS3, and I have never seen an exclusive PS3 game that can be done on the 360 or that has been done on the 360, and the 360 is on its fourth year...LOL

Next gen started on the wrong console!!! Jump out!! LOL

@Below: Gears 2 got nothing on KZ2, not with those flat and blurry textures. MGS4 outdoes Gears 1 and 2, and that game is just fodder compared to Sony Computer Entertainment® exclusives. Jump out!!

@ChrisGTR1: Talk about fanboy...and delusional. No saving you...

[militant07]

wow seriously get alife.

and did anybody notic that there is no diffrence between open zone and gamerzone ??
lazy mods

[RudeSole Devil]

Play Gears of War 2 and get back to me. There is no game out today that can rival the Graphics in Gears 2.

[Gun_Senshi]

Crysis make Gears Of War 2 looking like a NES game.

[ChrisGTR1]

true. one of the scenes in act 4 was the most realistic thing ive ever seen. alot better than mass effect

[ud]

rivals the graphics of Gears 2. I would also say Motorstorm 2 and GT5P but it's kinda weird to compare a shooter to racers. Still, they look pretty realistic. I would also say Dead space

[NeonSkull]

Gears two has a awesome graphic art direction and is well designed, but it does not in any way push at the boundary of what is possible. killzone 2 does.

[ChrisGTR1]

uncharted? its graphics are good but there not even close to gears. and i had uncharted. last time i played it was 2 months ago. in gears the whole enviornment looks good as well as the characters. the problem with ps3 is only the cutscenes look good but once your actually playing it dosent anymore.

[ud]

And the fact that there are an incredible amount of animations just adds to those graphics.

[INehalemEXI]

Lol Gears and Gears 2 could easily be done on PS3 there isnt much difference from UT3 and Gears tech wise they are both made by the same tools and company...

[DJ]

Uncharted uses the same Environments and Character models in the real-time cutscenes (pre-recorded in order to allow for background loading) and actual gameplay.

To say the in-game engine looks better than the in-game engine is hilarious.

[ud]

Bubble up for pointing out the truth!

I am still amazed at how well the characters move. Nobody else has done such realistic animations with the exception of Killzone 2 (I'm in the beta). But in Uncharted they made lots of animations so when you're hiding and somebody tries to shoot at you, the character doesn't react the same way.

To me, this game is the definition of what an action game should be.

[Mindsucker]

Right on man. Thank you for that point. In fact Naughty dog made it a point to do that because they are that cool. Actually, off subject, any one hear what there next game is?

[infamousinfolite]

You sure you're not talking about the CGI, lol.
Anyway, killzon2 is also another great reason to buy a PS3. The graphics look fricken sweet. Come on Feburary hurry up!

[infamousinfolite]

"I 'think' they look better than Gears 1"
Your brain is functioning well, my friend.

[ChrisGTR1]

am i the only person here that thinnks the cutscenes in R2 are amazing? however the actual gameplay graphics is what dosent blow me away. thats what im refering to, the cutscenes look like something from pixar but once you start playing then it dosent. the same thing goes for uncharted. in gears 2 you can actually see water drops sliding down the windows and stuff, i havent seen that done on ps3 ever. on gears 2 its the world that has the amazing graphics and not just the main character during cutscenes is what im trying to say.

[Bathyj]

Little Big Planet has the best graphics period. Til Killzone 2 hits.

What, photorealistic textures dont count just because Sackboy is so cute? Are we to dismiss the realism, because theres no blood?

[na2ru1]

You claim that Uncharted's looks good....but gameplay looks worse than cutscenes. THEN someone points your stupidity - "Uncharted's real-time graphics looks better than its real-time graphics is laughable"

THEN (lol)... you admit that you haven't even seen the game let alone owned it - "bbbb but R2's cutscene looks like this blah blah, so that must mean Uncharted is da same" followed by stating Uncharted looks crap......even though at the beginning you said Uncharted looks good.

Your fumbling all over the place Chris

[RememberThe357]

I see where your going with this cut scene thing, but it's a little off. Uncharted look amazing no matter how you looked at it. With Resistance 2 the cut scenes do look better than the actual gameplay. But that is saying a lot, in that the game looks really good. It has the most massive scale since Heavenly Sword. I think what your talking about is a Resistance 2 thing not a PS3 thing.

[DaTruth]

That was the best thing about Uncharted; So many times I tried to skip the cutscenes but was unable because it was the in engine in game(not pre-recorded) cutscenes and you can't tell the difference.

[Kleptic]

yeah something is up with R2's cutscenes...at times they look so much better than the actual gameplay, it raises some question marks...who knows...but one thing with R2 is that you can definitely see where some corners were cut, probably because of time constraints...there are parts of it that look as bad as halo 3 (not flaming, but seriously...that game doesn't look good...no use arguing about it anymore...hopefully everyone moved on)...some times it looks great also...I don't know though, the cutscenes consistantly look a little too good...

but Gears 2 best graphics of a released game so far?...a close second imo...MGS4 simply isn't dethroned yet...the cutscenes are all in game real time rendered (as it can be constantly proven by the octocam suit...the scene starts with whatever textures it had when you initiated the scene, and you can play around with it by shaking the controller during the scenes...not to mention the mini-games in each one)...and in game lighting, animation, and particle effects are still unmatched...its not just me saying that...go back through the reviews...IGN, Gamespot, Gamepro, 1up, etc...all put it at the top of the list visually...and had Gears 2 trumped it, they would have definitely made it known...

most said how Gears 2 looks great...but its still very noticably UE3...with very little use of the extra .5 additions, which was a shame...because thats the stuff sorely missed from the engine before...Gears 2 is the pinnacle of UE3...but you definitely can't say that its a ton better than UT3, which was the standard before it...

[BoneMagnus]

That's the only thing that could go wrong - if the aiming mechanics/hit detection etc. are off.

If those things are solid, we are all in for a great time.

[Kyur4ThePain]

From the beta feedback I've seen, it seems to be pretty spot on.

[ud]

that the aiming controls aren't as reponsive as.. let's say COD4, but it's only because they make you feel the weight of the guns. ex : You can move your aim faster and easier with the pistol than you can with the big guns. But it really adds to the realism! I didn't like it at first, but now i do

[Doctor Strange]

I'm in the beta and the controls are just fine, it feels perfect right now and each gun feels different in a good way. I'm loving it so far.

[memots]

I'm in the Beta as well and the control are great! hated it at first but then it grew on me. It does feel realistic being in a armor and carrying a big machine gun but also it depend on the gun your using.

The first gun they give you.. To me anyway ,felt kinda sluggish but then you get new gun and they all got a different feel, some are better for you or you style of play , you just gotta adjust to the way to use it.

Man o man this game is the sh1@t. Realistic , crazy graphic fun mechanic , great online game mode and this is only a small size beta around 450 meg if i remember right.
This is a Day one buy for anyone who has a Ps3. i don't buy much game on day one. This is one of them.

Of course being a beta there is some flaw . But its not much of a flaw but more of a problem with players taking advantange of a map design that make the other team struggle they need to make adjustment on one map layout.

[Kleptic]

yeah, the beta doesn't have customizable controls...which are said to be in the final release...so layout wise, you should be able to get what you want in the final game...

but the game does treat sensitivity a little different than other shooters...the 'size' of the gun has a lot to do with look speed...not movement speed, but how fast you pan and aim...aiming down the site slows the senstivity, but differently for each gun...as the M82g (the gun in the above video) is sort of a middle area, and the much smaller SMG being able to be whipped around extremely quickly...its a bit jarring at first...as you run out of ammo and pick up someone elses shat...but you get used to it...

you can adjust sensitivity and everything also...so don't be too concerned about it...you'll most likely be able to set it up how you are most comfortable within a few minutes...

[Gun_Senshi]

pp comes here and says

"Gears of Wars 2 X360 AAA GOTY Confirmed"

[Sony Rep]

Xbotz, next gen started on the wrong console. The PS3 is defining next generation games!!!

And KZ2 only cost 20-30 million dollars to make...

Jump out, Xbutz!! Jump out!!!

[creeping judas]

Can't wait!!! I just hope the gameplay matches how good this game looks. Not being in the beta I have no idea?

[Kleptic]

don't worry...you'll be pleasantly surprised...whats crazy is, at least the competitive modes; the gameplay may outshine the visuals...and you already know how good the game looks...

[Mr Fancy Pants]

at last something that is not flamebait! ;-)
that's the only the multiplayer and it looks epic!

i hate when i see so many fanboys making crappy comment and they have more bubbles than me. ;-(

what's the point in me commenting on the open zone if i loose bubbles faster than when i make comments on the gamer zone...

[Fishy Fingers]

?

Better information and new video at the source: http://www.maxconsole.net/?...

Watch them, they're awesome!

[INehalemEXI]

sweet vids, bubble 2 you sir.

[trancefreak]

thanks fishy

[Fishy Fingers]

Cheers guys! Demon, nice move with the update.

[ultimolu]

^-^

Gracias!

[Kleptic]

haha sweet...i'm not in that game I don't think (looked closely, didn't see my name on the list)...but I was playing on the UK server on Tuesday and saw the name 'digitalfoundryUK'...and wondered if it was a joke, or the actual website...I guess it wasn't a joke...

and whoever was using that account...was trashing people...

[TheMART]

Same level again? Is there only one level in this game?

[Gamefan12]

Mart.. you are suppose to be what 32 ... 35 years old? I don't remember.

Anyway .. you do realize this is from beta correct? Beta does not mean full game, which means not that many levels......

[Mr Fancy Pants]

this is a beta to look for bugs not for you to play the entire game you know...

-if you're making a product like soaps or something you would give samples or the entire package of soap? lol

edit:
-if you want to sell music would you give some songs or the entire discography for free?

[doshey]

no there are more than one level its just really long ha three of the levels in this game is about as long as any 360 exclusive

[plain rice]

Ahhh..... That "one level" comment again. I remember hearing that before MGS4 launched. You guys seriously got owned when MGS4 came out. It had the most diverse levels in every act. Same thing will happen when K2 gets out.

[Gue1]

Mart I think you missed the part were it says: Killzone 2 multiplayer "beta"... You should read at least the summary sometimes so then you don't make ignorant comments like this one. ;-)

[Mr PS3]

Thy Silly Little BoT !!!!!!!!

[acedoh]

If you read the video it says alpha... Which means it is not even close to the final product. This game has a lot of time to fix any slowdown or glitch that someone may complain about. This may end up being one of the most polished products gamers have ever seen.

[P]

You'll literally ask yourself whether or not it's the Ps3 that's running such a jaw-dropping game

[RudeSole Devil]

Gears 2 will look better than Killzone 2. All the videos I've seen of Killzone look awesome and the best to date until I saw the level Hive in Gears 2. OMG that's all I can say, and before people start bashing me should find some videos of that level and then post.

[Mindsucker]

@ Rude Sole Devil Man cut the crap buddy your not an advertising agency.

[hfaze]

Seriously dude... Gears of War 2 looks good, but you seriously need your vision checked if you think Gears 2 looks better than Killzone 2.

I hope Sony does a good job of getting demos out to sales kiosks for Killzone 2 weeks before launch. With this one, seeing will be believing...

[TheExecutive]

give me a break. You cannot be serious.

[Itrguy001]

bet u hes gonna be in a mental institution next yr when this hits stores saying gears graphics are still better than Killzone2 graphics. repeating that all day

[Shadow Man]

But But But... Teh Xenon!!!!

[karlostomy]

KZ1.... "It's graphically stunning
KZ1.... "Killzone is the best Playstation 2 FPS to date"
KZ1.... "Visually amazing FPS"
KZ1.... "Killzone looks stunning"
KZ1.... "Admirable graphics"
KZ1.... "Killzone delivers on visuals"

but then, the game flopped!
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Does anyone see a pattern emerging?
A precedent?

Don't get me wrong... I am truly hoping that KZ2 delivers a AAAA experience!

[Magic_The_Celt]

^^ only this time thousands of people are playing thanks to beta and i have yet to see a SINGLE (1) person come out and say its anything below amazing.

[Wellhello]

karl failed harder than an Xbox with a DVD rewinder.

[Ryo-Hazuki]

I have played gears2 and im in the killzone 2 beta, I must say that Killzone 2 is indeed the "undisputed winner", it destroys the competition. Not just in graphics but the gameplay is also amazing....cant wait for feb.09

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

The game looks phenomenal in beta form.

[gdguide]

It's good to hear someone explain it the way I've been for the last while. It's this amazing sick combination of amazing lighting, filters, motion blur, animations, particle effects, desctrutability that make this probably the most impressive console game to date. You can probably point at one game and say it can do 1 or 2 of those things. But nothing, and I mean nothing does so many of them this well at once. If this is the technical base that devs will work UP from for future games, I can't imagine how amazing games say in 2011 will look with this being shown in 2008. Just amazing.

[mirroredderorrim]

Thanks for the link, man. Bubble :)

I'm not really surprised. When I first laid eyes on the graphics, I did a double take.

[Fishy Fingers]

Amazing right! No worries.

[dylantalon]

this is the line i used to get my girlfriend" hey chick, you must be from Killzone 2 cause you look so beautiful".

i havent seen a game that destroys all others of its genre in a gaming generation since golden eye 007 on the nintendo 64.i cant wait to get this on day one in which i'll be purchasing two copies so i can co op with my chick. ps3 is the future and the future is ps3. xbl - dylantalon. psn- dylantalon.

ps. the talon stands for talented

[DiabloRising]

I cannot wait for KZ2. I will be replaying KZ and KZL in January in prep for it, hopefully it hits on time. My ONE concern though is this...

Yes, the visuals from a technical point of view are insane. My biggest concern is they won't do enough with them in an art direction sense. I really hope for varied locations/level design and more enemy types. While I see the Helghast are differentiated a bit in trailers, I feel like I need a bit more. Of course, until I get my hands on the final game, anything is pure conjecture, but hopefully the game lives up to its amazing promise (and I pray its not nitpicked to death because reviewers are bitter).

[P]

Nothing comes close to the single-player levels in Killzone 2.

I'm willing to go as far as to say Crysis pales in comparison to what Guerrila have achieved in the Single-player component of KZ2.

Now you're not going to believe me since the videos haven't started leaking,when they do come out,you'll remember this comment.

[Lekumkee]

Listen to Sarah Palin she would never lie :P

[TheExecutive]

it doesnt beat crysis but it does beat anything on a console to date.

[Nikkelz]

love it,best ps3 fps so far without a doubt

if someone could get me into the beta it'll be greatly appreciated

all i need is some beta love....anyone?,nobody?

lol, anyway,peace and game on

[Kleptic]

its not open like that yet...everything is linked to your PSN ID...you only get a code when you are accepted in the website database too...and the beta itself won't even load if you are not logged in under your proper PSN ID...I tried to play the game (by accident) under a different user account on my PS3...and it wouldn't even load up the beta...

just letting you know...someone could give you an unused code...and you could download the file to your PS3...but it wouldn't even boot up unless you were actually selected by SCE and GG for the beta...more invites are said to be going out though this month...network errors have plummeted over the last week...they're getting it ready for a much bigger community i would imagine...

[trancefreak]

Helgan will be home soon

[Shane Kim]

This game looks ridiculously good.

[Aclay]

Damn, I just can't wait for Killzone 2.

A few slowdowns during intense action isn't a deal breaker in KZ2. Killzone 1 had framerate problems throughout the entire game regardless of intense action or not, but from what I've seen Killzone 2 is a very smooth running game. The A.I. in KZ2 are looking very good as well.

Sony's going to have a Blockbuster start to 2009 with Killzone 2, that's for sure.

[pp]

O.K killzone 2 at the moment may have the best graphics in 09 but that doesn't mean their want be games which come out in 09 that would have better graphics than killzone 2.Also Gears of War 2 has the best looking graphics in 08.

[PotNoodle]

But it is up there with the best, GoW has such a different art style than most of the other games so it is hard to say which one actually has the best graphics.

[GWAVE]

Gears 2 has the best graphics of 2008? Puleeeze!

Okay, if you compare a touched-up screenshot with another game...maybe. But what really matters is how the game looks in motion, right?

In which case, MGS4 (which is several months old) wipes the floor with Gears 2. The textures are far more detailed, and Konami proves it by having plenty of cinematic cutscenes that show the textures (especially facial textures) up close, whereas Gears 2 rarely brings the camera within a few feet. The animations in MGS4 are also far more varied and realistic. On top of that, a great deal of Gears 2 is on-rails, which hides some of the less-than-stellar textures. Let's not forget that Gears 2 still suffers from the same sort of texture pop-in and framerate drops that plague all Unreal Engine games.

But why am I spending my time on this comment. You're PP. Who cares?

[Gun_Senshi]

Check Comment No 5.

I WAS RIGHT!

[Magic_The_Celt]

your kidding right? gears 2 best graphics hahaha after waiting 20 seconds for them to pop in and oh look! average all the way

best graphics easily goes to MGS4, both in facial animation, textures and lighting. so it wins overall

[chrispkm]

Mannn looks bloody awsom but that clunky Valve wheel he turns takes away from the experience gorrila needs to sort that out .. i think it would be best to remove sixaxis from the wheel and find a better looking way of turning it .

[dork0783]

game i will get a ps3 for.

[Mindsucker]

Killzone 2 will, from what I have seen and in my opinion, be the undisputed best first person Shooter available. Now I do expect some flaws I mean it is not real life, but best graphics and top notch physics man SONY and Guerrilla should release a demo during the holidays that would be enough reason for me to buy any Xbox Fanboy a PS3 just to shut them up.

[DiabloRising]

Every game has flaws. I mean, there is only so much time in the day to test a game.

[GWAVE]

The screencaps (which are from the beta multiplayer, no less) don't do the game justice. I'm not the first person who has said this, and I won't be the last.

Seeing the game IN MOTION is something that must be experienced. Even gameplay videos (again, which are usually from the beta) don't do the game justice. I've played the multiplayer demo (again for a third time, which is just a beta) and the game is a massive leap forward as far as graphics go.

It's not just about textures. The animations are incredibly smooth and detailed. The environments are stunning, and the destruction is really a sight to behold. Though the article talks about "framerate problems" I've never noticed the framerate dip, not even in a 16vs16 multiplayer match (unless someone was lagging, but that's not framerate). The art design and lighting are also very good.

[7h3ultim8p00]

That's nice. What about gameplay? This video sure as hell didn't look very exciting gameplay wise.

[DJ]

A lot of exploding red barrels, and fairly easy enemies.

[donnie-2105]

looks good but difficult to say its got the best graphics from internet videos.in all honesty it looks like a polished version of blacksite.alas it may be the best.i own both consoles and the multi games are 90% of the time supirior on the xbox but i think the best exclusive graphics are on the ps3 as theres allways something unique about them.it may be the long dev time by sony"s studios but have not seen an equal to uncharted or gt5p outside of the high end pc"s.

[XT-1000]

OWNED!!! Poor xbots :(

PSTRIPLE ON THE ROLL!!!

[Snukadaman_]

Too bad resistance 2 failed miserably...time to put another game on the podium....which will also fail im sure...lol.

[pwnsause]

stop suffering from SBS(Small Brain Syndrome) please go get yourself a cure.

[Snukadaman_]

Hey...I dont own a ps3.

[BLuKhaos]

Thats exactly why you need a cure genius.poor bots so dumb even a caveman would feel embarrassed at your level of stupidity.

[pp]

Also what the F*ck are talking about Killzone 2's Graphics Are "Undisputed Winner", Of what 09 because we hardly know what games are out in 09 for xbox360 and may have better graphics .It seem that site is stuck up Sony's ASS.

[xanith83]

LOL you salty!!!!!!! lol

[souljah]

u can`t get better graphix on xbox. because gears 2 it`s the MAX what that crappy console can do. if ps3 starts 2009 with that graphix , i can`t wait to see what they have for us in the 4th quarter of 2009. and the ps3 it`s a next gen console . u know why ? because it`s gettin better each time.
xbotz , don`t be sad, u just have to grow up ;) . peace out

[eddispider]

This game is far from gow2 on the xbox360. Whats the big deal??? Its not goldeneye 2, its just anothet fps from someone who makes mediocre gameplay. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

[DiabloRising]

That's a sad mentality to have about ANY game.

[xtreampro_REVENGE]

YO GoldenEYE 2 looks better the Gears2.....OOOOooohhhhh YA GOT OWNED!!!

[Gerry]

PP WANKER (WOTY 08) CONFIRMED AAA

[SonySoldierEternaL]

^
lol @ "WOTY"

[ultimolu]

I cannot wait for this game. Heck, my new Bravia will be prepared for it.

Game on!

[smurfie4]

All of you technically-challenged devs need to take notes. Thank god for the technical genius of Sony's 1st party.

[smurfie4]

You're so jealous. Typing boring whilst tears stream down your eyes. ^_^ Back to my ignore list you go.

[darthv72]

This is just nitpicking but I would liked to have seen some variations in the reloading animations. Each time the gun was reloaded (all that were shown) they were done so the same way each time. You saw the clip come out but never flipped over. The hand would go off screen and then come back up, slap the bottom and then the the gun was loaded. A few alternate ways for the reload action to take place would be really sweet and not so static.

The guys in the control room would have heard the gun fight from the building next door and been a little on the prepared side. Nope. the good guys picked them off from the doorway. There needs to be more AI in the enemy so they are not so predictable. Resistance has good AI.

the first time the grenade was tossed near the scissor lift, there was no reaction from the explosion. No offense but halo 2 had reacting proximity for the grenades. If something was nearby, it got some of the shockwave of the explosion.

This game looks sweet and I really have high hopes. If they are shooting for more realism than any other FPS then those little things I mentioned should be picked up on.

Guaranteed buy for me even if it stays like it is.

[DiabloRising]

I agree. But for every instance you mention, you'll notice something different that is just as impressive. I've seen this played on a 46" HD monitor... its amazing to see the lighting setup just right so that you see your OWN real time shadow climbing the stairs. Or when you shoot something metallic, the sparks that bounce off the shot actually react to their environment, bouncing off other walls, coming to a rest, and slowly cooling. And that was just for a handgun round.

[thewhoopimen]

Interesting point you made about the grenade darth. I would've agreed with you (I was looking for it too) except that a prior video showed the opposite of what you nitpicked about and there was damage effect from the shock/shrapnel. I was expecting some shockwave splinters as well when I watched this one but I didn't see it. Which brings me to a point I'd like to make. I find it really really impressive that guerilla actually went out of their way to do real physical modeling (vs. a simulated canned response). What you saw is the "random" effect that grenades can have when exploding. Sometimes shrapnel will hit you, sometimes it won't. Shockwaves are likewise randomly directional and aren't necessarily unidirectional or always pointed toward said pillar.

[darthv72]

i thank you for the clarification on the explosive reactions. I really REALLY want to play this. The lighting and shadows look amazing. February can't come soon enough. by then I will have a new 42"+ hdtv (superbowl my a$$) for gaming glory.

[Relientk77]

<--- is watching the video

r u fu**ing kidding me!?

*jaw drops*

thats honestly not even fair

graphics that good should be illegal

;)

omg looks SOOOOO SICK!!!

[cyclindk]

They are illegal; Sony is going to prison for a long, long time.

[Egzekutor]

There wont be anything better than what Gears of War 2 looks like..
What was supposed to be done, was done.

You can have a really great looking game, which looks like Heavy Rain (which in my opinion is the best looking game so far) but if you had it on the xbox 360, and added some explosions, flashbang the processors wont hold and simply restart the whole system. There wont be enough power.

[Jihaad_cpt]

that Gran Turismo 5 might, have the best graphics, and to boot beat the snot out of Geow 2 in the sales department. I feel the need to say inevitable.

[dj_funky]

this game is gonna take candy from a baby.

[XT-1000]

BUT...BUT...BUT...TEH 3SHITTY :(

[divideby0]

not a doubt about it..
and just wait 2 years from now..just imagine how the PS3 games are gonnna look and run

[Unknown]

The game has nice reload animations but to me they're to slow for a fast paced game. I mean look at how slow the guy was moving to reload the clip. Anyhow the graphics look great but this is NOT the be all end all of console graphics. Mark my words...the new CALL OF DUTY and Warhound will have graphics and animation just as good if not better. I mean look at Call of Duty 4 and it was developed in less the time and came out a year before. But I think this game will be a great addition to the ps3 family.

[darthv72]

If you had a double clip setup, the time and distance to pull away an expired clip, flip it and slap it back in would be much quicker. yet with both sides expired it would take slightly longer to grab a fresh one and load it. That is what I would like to have seen but the reload animations were the same each time with the same weapon.

Hand pulls out clip, drops out of sight, comes back up and slaps the new one in, pulls back to load and then can start firing again. I think it would be to much trouble to fine tune the animation of such a basic act like reloading a weapon. It still would be cool if the hand pulled the clip and did a quick flip, slap, load all on screen.

Another grip I have about ammo reloading is with these types of weapons. It is obvious they use clips and you have the option to run dry and reload or reload before yours is expired. My question is why dont these devs take into account that there may still be rounds in non expired clips that would need to be pulled and then loaded into another clip?

I may just be thinking to much into this. all I know is that gears, resistance, cod, killzone, halo use clip based ammo and dont account for when you have not fully used a clip. Realistically if you pull a clip that is empty you dont think about it. Yet pull a clip with rounds still in it, you are going to want those rounds at some point. You would then need to pop them out of one clip, load all the spares into another clip and get back in the fight.

Sorry. this game is just to realistic looking for me to not get all technical when it comes to how unused ammo is handled.

I need to get back to some fun loving LBP with my buddy.

[DJ]

But absolutely nothing shown to the public can combat this right now, and I only trust what I see with my own eyes. Speculation does nothing to sway my opinion.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Graphics look superb, but the gameplay looked SO BORING. I hope that's just one of the slower levels in the game. Gawd that played terribly. The player moves like a tank, and one enemy practically stood there while he was being shot. The other tried to take cover but forgot to put his head away too. That's so sad 'cause it looks really really good, but amazing graphics does not a game make. I'm hyped for KZ2 and I hope the GAMEPLAY delivers.

[NickIni]

Virtually all FPS gameplay looks boring to watch.

[xxReaper47xx]

I was lucky enough to get into this amazing game beta.It is by far the sweetest game i have ever played and not just saying that.

[Relientk77]

actually if u dont mind i got a question for u guys (this game reminds me of COD 4 kinda)...

heres the Q: I have COD 4 and its nothing short of amazing, should i pick up COD5 aka COD World At War? is it good or worth it?

edit: i heard its not as good as COD 4 but i dont trust the ppl i heard it from lol

[darthv72]

you like the WWII atmosphere. Otherwise just wait for COD6

[xxReaper47xx]

From what i've seen it is nothing really new just another story but i heared at the end once you beat the game and you get a new mode where you have to hold off zombies with like 4 player coop but i wouldnt get a game just for that.

[farhsa2008]

xbox has NOTHING to combat this

[7h3ultim8p00]

Unnecessary. No one knows what MS has in store for next year. They just announced that they have some suprise hits for 09 that no one knows about. It was on N4G a while ago, and a poster on NeoGaf also confirmed that something good is coming for the 360 in 09.

[Socomer 1979]

what game doesnt have flaws? Are they obscene? Do they distract you? Does it ruin the game?
its like let's celebrate guerillas success but keep in my they aren't perfect!

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

I want Vehicles and Stupendous Physics!!!

Give me it all this is PS3's time to shine !!!

[DJ]

If PS3 games look THIS good just two years in, 360's going to be struggling to survive. There's the possibility that multiplatform developers will be forced to use the PS3 to its full potential in order to keep up with Sony's 1st party studios.

[xg-ei8ht]

7h3ultim8p00, Gears of war 2 to me is worse.

Enemy are ducking behind cover, but you can still shoot them. very easily i might add.

Graphics are nice in gow2, but not as good as killzone2 imo.

And don't get me started on lbp.

Graphics and gameplay are awesome.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Did anyone listen the to voice over stuff? That was horrible! The game looks fantastic and definitely looks like the play mechanic is good to, but jesus the voices were f'ing piss poor un-inspired crap. I was kinda shocked how badly the voice work was.

[himdeel]

...I hope they improve the voice acting. Currently I think it sucks and is kind of annoying in the videos I've seen. Otherwise everything else is amazing and I'm very excited this game is coming out during the same month as my birthday...I know what my present will be =)

[Socomer 1979]

its based on how fast a actual navy seal reloads thier weapon. You only get 5 magazines. If you pull out the mag with shots left in & slap a fresh mag in then you will cycle back to the mag with the leftover shots. Very tactical. You can actually count shots in a firefight & pick up weapons from dead players with the ammo they had left.

Socom is best played with no respawns. Now that I mention it, I'm gonna go play now & practice.

[darthv72]

about socom. Nice to see the realism of having left over ammo in clips and see how that reflects in the game. If you fire off all but 3 rounds and change clips, expire that clip and reload with the leftover, you still only got 3 rounds. Nice!

More devs need to do something like that in these types of games. Instead of adding the leftovers to the next clip you reload with. I know halo and gears do that.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

But I do have to say KILLZONE 2 , GOD OF WAR 3 .....ENOUGH SAID

SMOKE ONE FOR THE HELGHAST..............FEBRUARY 09

[free2game365]

From what I've seen the textures are pretty awful in most spots. Not really anything close to what you see in a PC game like Crysis or something. Let alone it's not really a shooter of the same class. Guerrilla isn't up to snuff to compare to someone like Crytek or alternatively for console shooters, not really comparable to someone like Bungie remembering of course how poorly reviewed the first Killzone game was. That other one was a basic top down shooter, nothing on the level of complications of a large shooter project.

[Nexy]

Played beta Killzone 2 and Gears of Wars 2.

No doubt GeoW 2 wins as far as graphics is concerned. Hands down.

[dkgshiz]

I highly doubt you have the beta let alone a PS3. Just stop lying. KZ2 owns Gears 2. MGS4 has better graphics then Gears 2.

[Jihaad_cpt]

Can I report as stupid? @6

[Erotic Sheep]

It amazes me as idiots like you actually have 6 bubbles. Who was stupid enough to give you one? What you are saying is like saying the Wii is the most powerful console out there :\

[BlueRevolvuR]

tats an old pre alpha clip shown. remember, GG is almost done wiht the game. theyre just polishing the h**l out of KZ2 right now. the only question i hav is about the AI. will it be better in teh final game? i heard tat GG has toned the AI down just for the demos. is tat true?

[Last Snake]

this graphics , this amazing dynamic lighting & blood effects , make my hands shaking to just thinking about play this game.
in fact gears2 graphics without doubt looks awesome but what's new (maybe gears2 looks better than gears1) ?? but we have saw tens of games using the same engine, I played for a few years games like UT series & when I see gears I feel no different.
RSX+Cell Processer+blu ray+imaginary engine+best lighting I ever seen= KZ2
that's why KZ2 looks very special & make you scream

[40cal]

I cant wait until Feb. 09.

[40cal]

about a year ago. Yeah, about a year ago I had the only gun avatar. Good to see that I am not the only one who loves their right to bear arms.

[na2ru1]

Just want to point out. The partner you are with seems to have too many dialogues as taunts and......i don't know. it just seems out of place. Seems to always be in a jolly mood. Almost as bad as UT3.

Hopefully GG will make him speak relevantly and seriously without feeling too interuptive.

And just my opinion, i think Warhawks music would go better with Killzone2 than its current orchestrial BG. Warhk has that feeling in its music that i cant explain. Music is very important imo.

[smurfie4]

Whats your psn id?

[Figboy]

PLAYED the beta, and said it's phenemonal do they need before they finally admit that Killzone 2 is graphics AND gameplay?

i'm a little tired of all the "well, it remains to be seen if the gameplay will hold up to the high bar of the graphics," comments at the end of every KZ2 story.

it's like the media just CAN'T let go of how badly they were burned when KZ2 came practically 95% close to the CG target render, when they were saying it wouldn't even come 25% close.

so now they naturally target the gameplay, which is a fair thing to wonder about.

but NOW, there is a beta. a beta in which many a gamer, not a paid reviewer or "journalist" have gotten to experience first hand, and the response has been overwhelmingly positive.

the game is GOOD. deal with it an move on.

how much more impressive does the MP need to be, when people have already logged countless hours on the game? people don't play games that they hate that much. try to play more than 15 minutes of Legendary, and you'll understand what a TRULY poor, sh*tty game is.

reviewers/journalists, whatever, have forgotten what truly bad gameplay is, it seems. games that deserve 9's have been getting 8's these days, because of some minuscule difference like a jaggie, or a slightly more pixelated texture. nevermind that the gameplay is TOP NOTCH, that one terrible texture just completely ruins the experience /sarcasm *rolls eyes*.

hypocrisy and double standards abound in the gaming media these days, and it's ridiculous.

i'm in the KZ2 beta, and i'm having a BLAST with the game. it truly is amazing, and after i finish typing this, i'm going to play it some more. anyway, it doesn't matter. KZ2 speaks for itself, and people are sold on the visuals alone, well, they're just lucky that the gameplay holds up just as well. not all games are "graphics over gameplay" victims, and just because a game has good graphics, doesn't mean the game has crappy gameplay.

some of the BEST games of all time were lauded for having "spectacular, amazing, ground-breaking visuals," as well as rock solid gameplay.

from Super Mario Bros on the NES, to Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil 4, those games were PRAISED to no end for how amazing the visuals looked, but the gameplay was also awesome.

you know, VERY FEW games have actually genuinely put visuals over gameplay. The Bouncer from Square on the PS2 is the only title i can really think of that put visuals over gameplay.

games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Super Smash Bros Melee, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, KOTOR, Ninja Gaiden, and more, had excellent gameplay, and yet they aren't considered ugly games by a long shot. MGS2 was widely considered the game that showcased what the PS2 could do visually, and justified the system. Halo did the same for the Xbox. once again, hypocrisy and double standards.

Heavenly Sword is a gorgeous game, yes, but it's gameplay is quite fun also. there are some things that i wish were gone (like the stupid shield throwing "puzzles," but they happen only three or so times in the whole game that it's not a big deal), but the core gameplay, which is the combat, is FANTASTIC.

however reviewers wanted to lavish "graphics over gameplay" at the game.

a poorly designed game generally DOESN'T have good graphics. that's kind of the point; the developer is so average that they can't even get the graphics right.

look at Stranglehold. ok game, butt ugly graphics, even though it's using the UE3.

and yet a game like Gears of War, which featured AMAZING graphics at the time, but sluggish, often buggy gameplay (the framerate issues in MP were pathetic), gets quite a few passes because it was so pretty.

and yet Killswitch, the game that Gears of War took a lot of it's inspiration from gameplay wise, got panned. the gameplay is SO SIMILAR, and i've played Killswitch on the PS2, and it is indeed an enjoyable game, but not the best looking.

i thought it was "gameplay over graphics?" i thought that as long as the gameplay was sound, the graphics didn't matter? apparently they do, but only when it suits the argument of the person waving the banner.

Too Human is a mediocre game. the visuals of Too Human are equally medicore.

the visuals of Uncharted are some of the best in console gaming. the gameplay in Uncharted happens to be some of the best in 3PS gaming also.

most developers that appreciate quality gaming ALSO put a lot of effort into fully realizing their worlds, because visuals should ENHANCE the gameplay experience, not detract from it.

Super Mario Galaxy is praised for it's beautiful visuals as well as it's sharp level design.

so are games like Ratchet and Clank Future: TOD.

MGS4 wasn't just praised for it's visuals, but for it's excellent gameplay additions (like the Solid Eye, Octo-camo, Drebin Points, and weapon customization to name only a few gameplay mechanics in MGS4)

with the introduction of middleware like UE3, it's definitely easier for a medicore developer to win over a few gamers with visuals, but this isn't the casual gamer waving that "gameplay over graphics," flag. it's HARDCORE gamers that know their sh*t, and yet still try and throw out that tired, not entirely factual statement.

if gameplay mattered more than visuals, why did Gamecube fans slam the PS2 version of Resident Evil 4 for having "inferior" graphics to the Gamecube version? i've played and beat BOTH versions of the game, and the graphical differences are minimal, but the gameplay of both are damn near IDENTICAL. in short, RE4 is a brilliant GAME regardless of what system it's on, but people still wanted to fixate on the visuals.

Bioshock and Fallout 3 on the PS3 are both PHENOMENAL games, and yet people want to get all up in arms about a few pixel differences between the PS3 and 360 version. it's ridiculous.

i'd really like to see a list of all of these games that apparently have amazing visuals, but horrible, sh*tty gameplay. generally, medicore gameplay and mediocre graphics go hand in hand.

[himdeel]

...bubbles

[drdistracto707]

When i read your comment and looked at your smiling cat, i couldnt stop laughing!

you get a bubble now!

ps: i love your avatar, its the best

[Ldubbz]

The animations and the close-up of the gun reloading look pretty damn good. The rest Im not sure on yet, but we'll see. Yes, Gears 2 is currently champ, but if they can make the rest of the game look as good as the best parts, we may have a weiner here. As long as these guys have taken, it better be good. But I for one withhold true judgement until the game is out, ad it can be looked at as a whole.

But so far, damn good Guerilla. But calm down on the 360 cant do that and vice versa...none of us are game devs so chill. And if youre crazy enough to think that the PC cant out do both, then I dont know what to tell u....LOL

[jack who]

lol Expert

i love it

[TechnicalBS]

To the people comparing Gears with MGS4 and KZ2 graphics. You've obviously never played Gears of War 2. I played and beat MGS4 and loved it, but the graphics are nothing compared to Gears of War 2. It doesn't hold a candle against it.

As for KZ2, the graphics are nice but I've seen better in the gameplay department. Maybe it's just the level, who knows.

[RyuStrife]

Shows obviously you're not in the KZ2 Beta. You wouldn't be saying that if you were, because even you can't define what gameplay is.

[likedamaster]

Still not convinced. We'll see come Feb. Just saying...

[fireofpunishment]

Great visuals all around but the voice acting is terrible, the voice acting has no presence, which I think is key to associating characters, also I noticed that the was no music but this could just be because it was pre-alpha, but one thing remains get better lines and better voice actors.

[sak500]

Where they showing it on a black and white tv?

[Magic_The_Celt]

oooooh i see what you did there!

that was so awesome man *slow sarcastic clap*

[tatsujin]

the beta is 500 mb COMPRESSED of the actual game, having 8 classes, loads and loads of weapons and different things. flying machines, gunnier, snipers, things i haven't even seen yet (higher level like assaulters and scouts). but honestly ....... i'm stunned man. this game, compressed? no freaking way ... graphically its amazing. the game is all done in CG real-time, like MGS IV. but this game just takes it to a whole new level man. when moving your character, literally the physics, weight, camera, sensation and everything in-between will give you the feel of reality. tossing grenades, shooting, reloading, taking hits, dying, running, jogging, jumping, melee attacks, what the hell there's TOO MANY THINGS to describe, PERIOD. this is the first real FPS i have to taste and i can feel the strong attachment to it. i play this game nearly everyday, 2-5 hours and rack around 20ish to 30ish hours a week. yea, no hard feelings for the 360 ... but its honestly not going to live up aganist this game. and in my opinion, ff xiii/versus graphically look stunning, but this game ... hands down, in BETA, compressed version and alone, out-does ff xiii's graphics.

psn - mouretsu

[she00win99]

i hope they change the retarded voice-overs...

[Kleptic]

agreed...but its already been confirmed that they are...those voice overs where done in a single day for the demo alone...

all hell broke out about it on the official forum during E3...as soon as lots of footage came out, people realized that Garza sounded like a total idiot...and set that forum on fire...

they'll fix it...several developers in the 'ask the dev' thread confirmed that the demo voice work was 'sub par'...and that the final release wouldn't have that...

[she00win99]

thank god, i hope they really change, because i notice that the 2007 voice-over is so much better..

[snipermk0]

KZ2 looks effin gorgeous!

[gametheory]

But beautiful. Very few enemies on screen, and the AI is retarded. I mean seriously why do they show themselves, that's not how shootouts work. For a game that relies on cover I don't see enemies taking cover, just launching themselves at you for you to shoot them.

[NickIni]

The clue is in the title. Killzone 2 MULTIPLAYER Beta. Granted, the actual footage looks like campaign, but the faults you described with the AI are the same on every single FPS. And judging by the fact he's rarely getting hit, it's most likely on the easiest difficulty setting.

[Daz]

that video is not mutiplayer. i didnt know you have a ai to speak to you and tell you where to go:P

[sonnybravo]

Voices are cheezy as hell, but graphics are great tho...

[YouNoob]

...looks a bit.... cough... cough... average. a bit... cough... run&gun... cough...cough. a bit... cough... been there... cough... done that...cough.

sorry, got a cold.

[THC CELL]

Clown ^^^^^^ this game looks better than any xbox game past present and future.. Alan wait dose not even top this game in gfx terms and power

[Shane Kim]

Well then you would love it if you had a PS3, since you've been doing the same thing in all the Halo games and those games for you fundamental xbots are like the holy Bible.

[MNicholas]

People are apparently forgetting how amazing Uncharted looks. Some of the scenes in Uncharted are only exceeded by the best scenes in MGS4, and just about any scene in LBP. Gears 2 is just another generic UE3 game with generic UE3 effects. It still has low poly characters and poor draw-distance. Where Epic did well is in being smart about how they distribute textures. The 360 has 33% less texturing capability than the PS3 so clearly what we are seeing with games like Gears 2 is smart compromises rather than technical accomplishment. For the best textures in console gaming one should look to MGS4, LBP and Uncharted.

[atomdooze]

They looked lost running in circles. And there was no variety in the game itself its like he killed the same guy over and over again, wait thats what he did do. If this game is gonna compete with the likes of r2 and gow2 it better bring more to the bed than a pretty face.

[Rhythmattic]

Do the words "Pre-Alpha" mean anything to You ?

BTW, The digital-foundry Article talks about Mp... Not SP.
This SP g4tv video, may I remind you, is PRE ALPHA.

[Unknown]

It funny that if you say ANYTHING negative about KZ2 you will get like 6 million disagrees. Unbelievable. I think its quite amazing how naive people can be with video games. I mean do you unhonestly think that KZ2 will be the best looking game of this generation with a good two to three years left to go if not more? I remember people said the same thing when this and that playstation 2 game out and GOW blew them all away at the closing of that console generation. For KZ2 to be the best graphics this generation, I feel like we would've been dealt a major injustice. Not because the graphics suck but because there is no advance in such. I think it quite funny when people where bashing GG saying they wouldn't be able to achieve the tagert renders and I said WHY NOT? I rememeber the start of the last generation when I seen certain ps2 games and I was like that can't be real....and it was. So my point is, at the start of every generation of "consoles", it can be a little difficult to gauge or realize what type of graphics that the consoles are capable to produce. Me, being a long time gamer have gotten use to this graphics shock and wasn't for one minute doubting the graphics that would make KZ2. But at the same time I KNOW this is not where it ends and you can give me 6 million disagrees but in the end "I told you so". I don't care if the game is on the 360 or ps3, its coming and it will replace KZ2 as the graphics king. But of course it wont mean that KZ2 is anyless than a great achievement(graphically) in gaming.

[Rhythmattic]

Its not just Graphics.....

As you Said UNKOWN
"Me, being a long time gamer have gotten use to this graphics shock and wasn't for one minute doubting the graphics that would make KZ2"

Check this, one of only many things that happen in this game. And remember, this is MP.

http://img.photobucket.com/...

There is a Hell of a lot going on.

This is the Beauty of this game.... It is the first real step (on a console) towards emersion...

One word. Physics.

Yep weve all got the Graphics , (sorry Wii) And we can argue about what console is better, but KZ2 is going to be a BIG statement... As much as EPIC and the U3 Engine...

If your a gamer, you know what I see...

Yep , and Its not where it ends.

EDIT: Check out Post 165. MP. No Scripting.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[NickIni]

It won't necessarily be the best graphics of this gen, but it uses it's own engine (also being used in GOW3 methinks, giving that the likelihood of it looking just as fantastic) which took a very long time to make. There aren't really any other engines out there capable of producing this level of quality graphics (Gears 2 does look very good, but that is probably the limits of the current version of the Unreal Engine), true, there may be one in development, but with MS having a target release year of 2010 for the 720, it's unlikely it would appear this gen.

This may not be the full capabilities of the engine either, time shall tell, but one thing that is very likely, is that we won't be seeing any 360 games using this engine any time soon.

[Timesplitter14]

all perfect, except that lame cheesy ''YEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!'' your ally says when killing a Helghast. But, you know... I don't really care about that. I would only care if it was in a war that really happened in history, like WW2.

[STLiens]

Seriously, LBP, Resistance 2, White Knight Chronicles, InFamous, Killzone 2, and Heavy Rain. Im so glad I own a PS3 because I knew the day would come and its finaally here. MS has let me down lately besides Gears 2. I got a buddy on my PSN friends list whos in the Killzone 2 beta and he said its the best FPS he has ever played. My plans are Im gonna play R2 till the end of the year then COD: WaW, then Killzone 2 in Feb.

[crystallakekiller]

you are even more of a idiot! simply because you think like that!

[ForROME]

I'll Tell you what would sell, KZ2 PS3 Bundle WITH headset and 160 GB HD 499.99. I would happily go that route if that were the case. Until then Im waiting for 299 include a dam HDMI cable and headset...Jesus talk about a stupid move for building your online community, no head set included, atleast put a USB one in.....BAD MOVE SONY...But I like your Free PSN =), but Im still on the fence of which system to get.

[Oner]

So a $6 HDMI cable and a BT headset ($20 basic or $60 with a game) that is multipurpose (PS3 & Cell phone) is what is holding you back? I mean what's the point of having a wired or wireless 360 controller and a WIRED headset? Seems like a cheap excuse to me...the HDMI I could understand getting quick and waiting on the headset as it is not a necessity for SP and for MP it wouldn't matter if you got it a little while later. Kinda like someone who buys a 360 arcade for the price to only complain about no hard drive being included (yet it also doesn't come with an HDMI cable along with the Pro model too, only the Elite comes with one).

[zonetrooper5]

I know its pre-alpha but the A.I. and the player itself just annoys me, both don't take cover, the voice overs are cheesy as hell and while I know its a warzone, doesn't it help to have some form of colour whether it will be on a solider, a gun etc.

[Unknown]

I understand that the game has alot going on with physics or whatever but the game still has issues and like ZoneTrooper stated, the A.I. doesn't take cover and sounds corny. I was NOT impressed by the animations. Take one look at how the A.I. moves in Call of Duty 4 and then look at this and you'll know what I'm talking about. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the game will fail or what have you but its not going to be the be all, end all of games. And like stated previously, there are games out there that can already like Warhound. But thats my opinion so please don't kill me(bubbles) for it.

[sak500]

hahhahaha again droids hyping this monotone, generic, dreary game like there is nothing else in the world. Its not their fault, they have been brought up by the sony hype machine called "Teh Cell". Every exclusive has been hyped to kill all other consoles, and in the end sales and reviews wise 90% of them flop. They have not learned their lesson with Haze, HS, Lair, LBP, Socom and again hype this avg looking game as the best looking game ever. Every video shown shows just a generic shooter and using same industrial design every level, not more than 3-4 colors and with same looking enemies and still they are too fking blind by the sony brainwashing that they see it as a AA game.

Can't wait to see the sales and reviews come feb 09 or end of 09 who knows.

[Chrissy]

On the low res, GAF made GIFs it looks awsome. On the new GT high res videos it looks average at best. The lack of memory has really taken its tool on ps3 games. I cant believe MS designed better hardware architecture than sony. Shm

[Oner]

Yuor going by GameTrailers as your source?!?! It's okay, you keep thinking that...when the game drops in Feb and you see ACTUAL HD screen grabs you will undoubtedly regret what you said (especially your lack of knowledge of the PS3's ram being a hindrance).

But I'll help a little ~ this is a good 720p HD cam grab. Be sure to download and NOT stream.

http://www.gamersyde.com/le...

Then remember that it's a CAM grab and still not a direct feed...actual live gameplay is almost unbelievable.

[Chrissy]

I downloaded the GS videos a long time ago and it aint that much different. Its still a far cry from those offscreen hype shots produced by GAF. Looks as good as Gears2 but thats about it. Nothing revolutionary

[LevDog]

What Im getting from all these previews and beta updates is... Best graphics from a console ever.. and COD4 type addicting gameplay.. Which is awesome.. All exclusive to PS3.. Love it

[atomdooze]

there is nothing special about this .look fun. I would rather play R2.

[donnie-2105]

do think the 360 is maxed out with gears 2,allthough it is amazing.seems like if the sony machine is given enough dev time the results will be btter.thats why i mostly only buy ps3 exclusives.as i said before there is something very unique looking about ps3 exclusive graphics.peace