As the Fallout 1st disaster hits mainstream headlines, Fallout 76 players head in-game to protest

Everyone disliked that.

[isarai]

Um... you don't protest a game by playing it...

[Wasabi]

@isarai

You do if you've already purchased it.

[Wasabi]

@The disagrees

So If you've already given Bethesda your money, whats a better way to protest against Fallout 1st?

[isarai]

@Fragnum

Dude, c'mon it's common sense, you dont play it. Playing it only gives them analytical ammo to justify their greedy practices. They can say "well despite what some people are saying our player numbers are still showing a good level of player engagement" all they care about is what they can tell investors, and any contribution to player numbers is a positive in their eyes. To properly protest games you gotta hit them where it hurts, their numbers.

[Nyxus]

Better thing to do would be to sell your copy, and invest it in a better game.

[Wasabi]

@isarai

See your point and it's a good one.

On the other hand, if the userbase that is still playing the game take no action, Bethesda could just as easily quote the sales / playerbase as a metric of happy customers.
At least if gamers that enjoy the game and want to keep playing make a statement that says "yes we enjoy the game, but no we're not happy with the way things are going, sort it out" Bethesda cannot quote their numbers as a positive?

[isarai]

@Fragnum

Okay, still doesnt change anything in my statement. Yes they can bring up sales numbers, so why would you add EVEN MORE numbers they can spin?

[0hMyGandhi]

Your logic is almost comically bad.
"So If you've already given Bethesda your money, what's a better way to protest against Fallout 1st?"
Simple. You sell the game. You buy something else.
Or....You do what people did in the past: you set it on fire. You break the disc. You show your disdain for the game and the company using good ol' fashioned symbolism.

[Wasabi]

@Alex

"Your logic is almost comically bad"

Because selling or breaking a disc makes a statement... how?

If I sell it, Bethesda still reports the same number of players, because the new owner still has to play it online. If I break the disc Bethesda still report the same number of buyers because a trade in or resale has no effect on publisher sales.

You should think before you speak.

[dumahim]

Bethesda: We released shit and on top of that it's broken.
Players: Let's protest by playing the game
Bethesda: huh, our concurrent users numbers are really up. They must really love this stuff.

[yoshatabi]

@fragnum. Uhhhhh. Not playing the game? Even if you bought it and not play it that still hurts them you know. Are you really this stupid?

[Wasabi]

@yoshatabi

"@fragnum. Uhhhhh. Not playing the game? Even if you bought it and not play it that still hurts them you know. Are you really this stupid?"

As I am clearly too stupid to understand,

Please explain to me how not playing a game that you that you enjoy, want to play and have already paid for hurts Bethesda more than more than the media backlash that is currently occuring because gamers are grouping together to make a statement about Fallout 1st in order to raise awareness of Bethesdas anti consumer practices?

It's clearly working because this story has been covered by Eurogamer mentioned on the BBC news main page and is being discussed on N4G, NG, ResetEra and on numerous subreddits.

Almost everyone here is simply saying don't play the game, to me that's the same logic as going on hunger strike because there's too much salt in todays food, essentially it's cutting off your nose to spite your face and does not work for the gamer that wants to continue playing the game but doesn't agree with the changes.

[nowitzki2004]

No you dont. If you purchased it, you smack yourself for being dumb, learn a lesson and move on and be a better person.

[sprinterboy]

That's like a climate change protester turning upto a event in a old petrol car they bought years b4

[Wasabi]

@isarai

"Okay, still doesnt change anything in my statement. Yes they can bring up sales numbers, so why would you add EVEN MORE numbers they can spin"

Dude, c'mon it's common sense, If the gaming news reports that 10,000 of the playerbase have made a protest against the game, that's 10,000 players that Bethesda cannot use as propaganda.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

You're ignoring the point just to ignore the point, so just move on.

[Wasabi]

@Kwiet

Thanks for your input.

[isarai]

Again all higher ups and investors care about is numbers, analytics. They don't care about these articles unless it hits a major publication, which it wont.

Im done with this convo though cause as Kwiet said you're just ignoring the point on purpose for whatever reason.

[Wasabi]

@isarai

"unless it hits a major publication, which it wont"

https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

Eurogamer.

One of the highest profile gaming websites globally and the home of Digital Foundry, probably the most credible hardware anaylst in the world.

[JackBNimble]

So explain how exactly you protest in the game and how exactly are gaming journo's going to know this is even happening.

There is no logic to this .... if you want to protest you vacate the servers and play something else. Bethesda's simply not going to change their stance if the servers are full.
Empty the servers or nothing will change, I can promise you that !

[thejigisup]

How dense can you be? I don't think you understand how these things work, if I'm protesting a company I don't give them business. If I already purchased the product I return it, don't use it if I can't term it and happily go to their competitor. Why would you log hours with a product you don't support. What do you do in game to protest besides giving them data on how you spend your in game time? You are play of the problem... I love fallout but I cannot excuse the fact that with 76 and first they dropped the ball. They won't be getting more of my money until they fix a bunch of their business practices and their products. In the meantime I will continue to speak on how awful their product is. There's a reason you're getting so many dislikes.
If PETA was protesting KFC you wouldn't see them going inside and ordering a six piece.

[Wasabi]

@thejigisup

"How dense can you be?"

Opens with an insult, this is going to be good. Always the sign of a well thought out, constructive comment.

"If I already purchased the product I return it, don't use it if I can't term it and happily go to their competitor"

This doesn't work. I don't play fallout, but if I did and I wanted to keep playing because I enjoyed the game but I dislike the changes this is not a solution that works for me. This is exactly what the Fallout community are doing with the Fallout 1st website and their online protests.

"Why would you log hours with a product you don't support"

Because they want to keep playing the game, they simply dislike the additional monetisation.

"What do you do in game to protest besides giving them data on how you spend your in game time"

Create awareness of the issue by protesting in an unusual way that sparks media interest.

"You are play of the problem..."

I'm going to assume you meant that I am part of the problem, but no I'm not. I don't play Fallout, I simply sympathise with gamers that do and disagree that the only way to put pressure on Bethesda is via boycott.

"There's a reason you're getting so many dislikes"

Yes, because I'm not conforming to the same hive mind mentality as the rest of the sheep and have the ability to think for myself. Plus when did agrees or disagrees ever matter on N4G

The Scotsman posted his own opinion in a comment at the top of the page;

"Well your in entitled to your opinion but your full of it. I like fallout and I'm happy to sub. If you don't like the game and dont play it then you know what you can do right? And it's not to keep coming into post and slating a game you don't like or play"

2 agrees , 7 disagrees

He only gave his opinion.

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah if you are playing it then they don't care

Uninstall it...like seriously, they must know somehow if everyone, console players included, uninstall the game regardless of the platform you are on.

[Nyxus]

Why did they purchase it in the first place? Sorry but they kind of have themselves to blame.

[rainslacker]

Bethesda has this strange place with their fans where they think that Bethesda is going to release good games that aren't broken, then always end up disappointed, but somehow still liking the game. All that's well and good, but in the case of FO76, there was a lot more wrong than just having a buggy game.

If people still enjoy it, more power to them though. I don't think they're stupid or anything. I think they maybe should question the worth of this sub plan to improve their experience though. Bethesda hasn't even released the update which is supposedly going to make the game better, and even delayed it, only to release this sub which seems like it should be some standard features included for free, or sold piece meal when it comes to what amounts to MT content.

[Smokehouse]

“Everyone logs in to protest”
Lol what?

[bluefox755]

So to protest the game, they're...playing the game?

[0hMyGandhi]

"Yeah, SHOW US WHOSE BOSS by PLAYING OUR GAME, That'll show us," says Bethesda.

[patrickman]

Yeah, stupid kids can't even use their brains to think.

[VTKC]

Great! That will teach em! Boot up their game and play it in protest!

[Specter229]

Boycott a game by playing it? That's like protesting meat while eating a steak.

[0hMyGandhi]

or protesting a book by reading it out loud and in public.

[nowitzki2004]

Vegetarian that only eats meat lol

[Tedakin]

That's like protesting an author by buying their book to burn it...... You gave them your money!

[lodossrage]

@ Tedakin,

You're right, but the fact is we live in an age where common sense and intellect are dying a rapid death

[rainslacker]

Burning a book is usually a public thing though. Playing a game no one else is playing means no one sees your protest except in articles like this reporting it using generalities, and of course, the people playing the game, protest or otherwise.

[Artemidorus]

Just grow some balls, walk away and boycott for good.

[sdplisken]

DON'T BUY IT

[lodossrage]

Oh yeah, you Fallout76 players are really sticking it to the developers by PLAYING the game..... (yes, that's sarcasm ppl)

Come on people, that is literally the OPPOSITE of protesting. Does anyone think before they act or have common sense anymore?

[nowitzki2004]

Common sense is not common.

[nowitzki2004]

"People are mad with Starbucks, So they are going to Starbucks to buy all their coffee so they have nothing to sell."

[thejigisup]

Starbucks has for the first time ran out of coffee; stocks have soared 124% since the protest.

[MrVux000]

That seems rather....counterproductive?

[BillyG0AT]

that'll show em

[DarXyde]

Using the very product you're protesting to protest them....

Make as much sense as everything else, I guess!

[Exvalos]

Lol what kind of a protest is that, your still playing the game. That's like protesting smoking but you buy a pack of cigarettes, get on Twitter and say dont buy cigarettes. Bethesda doesn't care what you do or how you feel as long as your playing the game. Let me rephrase as long as you buy the game.

[Muigi]

They clearly need funding for Starfield and ES6...

[TargusX]

How about not buying such a dreadful game to begin with?

[Arty84]

not a very smart group of people...well thats clear from buying the game but still...