Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

Mark Cerny would like to get one thing out of the way right now: The videogame console that Sony has spent the past four years building is no mere upgrade. Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.

[UnSelf]

Great. We can finally get Eight Days.

[The Wood]

Lol. Forgot all about that. . .

I'm glad cerny is still active.

He helped Sony smash it this gen

[VenomUK]

Solid news, direct from Sony about the PlayStation 5!

Summary:

* Mark Cerny is again lead system architect
* A number of studios are working with it
* Sony have accelerated its deployment of devkits

PS5 will have
* AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture
* The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing
* The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio
* PSVR is compatible with the new console
* PSVR2 is hinted at
* Specialised SSD to improve loading speeds
* Will have, some level of, support for 8K TVs
* Backwards compatible with PS4
* Will accept physical media
* Not being released in 2019

* Death Stranding may be cross-gen. Confirmed for PS4 & perhaps PS5 too.

[blacktiger]

Darthv72 but that doesn't mean anything. It can still be super slow.

That's like 16 mega pixel 2010
vs 16 mega pixel 2019,
Which would you pick?

[RangerWalk267]

Cerny, I feel, is the one that made the Pro so underwhelming. I hope Sony involves more developers in the design process.

[Babadook7]

"Cerny, I feel, is the one that made the Pro so underwhelming. I hope Sony involves more developers in the design process."

And I feel exactly the opposite. It was Cerny who managed (with the Pro) to beat his competition by a year and $100 while still delivering a competent machine that wins in head to heads on occasion and even produces better FPS performance on a somewhat regular basis. An amazing achievement.

[jukins]

@Rangerwalk the ps4pro was a mid gen upgrade not a complete overhaul like the xbox one x was. Increased performance 4k support and enhanced vr support all for the same as a launch ps4 100 cheaper and a year earlier than its competitors dont know how you see it as underwhelming

[bouzebbal]

First question is why did he give all these infos??
I liked the approach they did with PS4 reveal... Out of nowhere

[Saigon]

@bouzebbal

I didn't feel like he gave out everything, he just to me stated what the system can do. We still need the true specs to see what exactly the system is capable of, but right now we have a general assessment that we can use assume. Clock speeds and RAM type and the amount of RAM will also be key. The only true shocker imo was the SSD. With this, I assume Digital Foundry will give us a full assessment.

And it looks like they didn't waste any time:
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[KillZallthebeast]

My work pc is 1.5k retail so an in home console with the same specs isn't really a bad thing

[jerethdagryphon]

It's to get an idea of what xbox is doing if xbox matches them on there reveal. Then hell bump the smepcs a tiny bit add another 8gb ram for instance

[IamTylerDurden1]

Great news

Cerny lead architect
Navi GPU
7nm Zen 2 CPU
Custom ultra fast SSD that has more raw speed than any pc SSD
3D audio tech built into the chip
Supports PSVR
Backwards compatible
Has a physical drive
Supports 8K
Ray tracing
Been in development since 2015
Death Stranding could be cross gen launch title

This is everything i want to hear. Navi, Zen, SSD, true generational leap. The part that seems to be getting lost here is that the super fast custom SSD is being pushed for more than just an increase in standard load times. Cerny said it is a game changer in that it will impact the way games are made and played. It can fundamentally change many of the gimmicks and tropes in games today and quite literally allow for faster in game movement and larger more seamless open worlds. Console games currently are limited by how fast the data can be pulled off the HDD. Spiderman can only go so fast because it takes time for the world around him to load. Fast travel takes up to 1 min, opening doors can take exceptionally long, and even menus and inventories are purposely convoluted in order to buy time for loading. This custom SSD can help change all of this. Characters will whip through the world at greater actually speeds, open worlds will all be seamless, doors will be instant, menus will be easy and quick, and draw distances should improve.

[gravedigger]

J. Schreier from Kotaku :

"Wow, Sony undercuts Microsoft with the first details on PS5, not coming in 2019 (who could've guessed...). I heard at GDC that one of the big PS5 marketing beats would be "no loading times" which Cerny confirms here. Sounds expensive!"

https://twitter.com/jasonsc...

Good!

[HaVoK308]

Thanks for the summery VenomUK. I greatly appreciate it.

[-Foxtrot]

That would a great franchise to take over Uncharted, it came off Uncharted like

Uncharted meets Lethal Weapon

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Backwards compatibility makes it a day one purchase for me.

[Ceaser9857361]

PS5 will get PS4 BC games confirmed by Cerny .. He disclosed a lot of stuff about the PS5..

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Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.
8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:
Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
Physical Media.
Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
Four years in development so far.
2020.
This is all official information! Straight from Mark Cerny. Key aspects were demoed to Wired on next-gen hardware.

[UltraNova]

Great news. Guess I wasn't so crazy to expect an SSD in the PS5 after all...

That said, this sudden reveal feels like a pre-emptive strike, a bait even... The ball is in MS's court now and I can't frickin wait for this fight to start.

[Z501]

Wait, what?
If it didn't have BC. What would you be losing? Meaning. You wouldn't have purchased day one because it couldn't play games you can already play? I'm confused.
*assuming you already have a PS4

[Ceaser9857361]

MAC42

Calm down Uncle.. That's a copy paste from what's been confirmed... If you know how to use the internet try googling...

[frostypants]

@Mac42o_0: Dude, RTFA..."At the moment, Sony won’t cop to exact details about the SSD—who makes it, whether it utilizes the new PCIe 4.0 standard—but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs." Meaning that while PC's might have it by that point, it's not something they currently have. And whether or not it's M.2 is completely pointless...M.2 is a form factor, not an interface. Totally irrelevent to this discussion.

[bluefox755]

People don't realize how dramatically SSD drives have been dropping in price. I regularly see 1tb sales from newegg for under 100. This is a dramatic reduction from even a year ago, and the price drops don't seem to be slowing down.

[Cobra951]

It makes it enormously interesting for me too, since I skipped the PS4 entirely. (My last Sony console is a PS2.) There are quite a few PS4 games I'd like to play in addition to the next-gen goodies the system will get.

[galgor]

Lest we forget Agent. And of course, The Getaway.

[Jin_Sakai]

This sounds amazing! These specs coupled with Sony’s 1st party studios will blow minds.

-Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.

-8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.

-Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.

-Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade. Hot on the heels of Sony having acquired near-industry-standard AudioKinetic.

-Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:

-Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation. That's ~19x faster!
Huge practical game changer opening up for new design opportunities.

-Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.

-New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').

-Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
Physical Media.

-Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
Devkit is with developers and they recently accelerated its deployment.

-Four years in development so far.
2020.

[NarutoFox]

This sounds good for a console

[Evolve]

Deep Down for sure

[darthv72]

I see what you did there... ;-)

[NarooN]

No joke, those teasers for Eight Days and The Getaway 3 were what got me hyped for the PS3. Then I bought one and both games got scrapped so the studios developing them could make more SingStar and Eyepet games lol (because the latter two were selling like hotcakes back then.)

[Niv]

Since we got info i can see an announcement after August this year

[antbolton89]

I think they will hold an event in February like they did with the PS4 and launch November 2020

[Rude-ro]

The 20th anniversary of their greatest selling console. The ps2.
I am sure they are going to make it a big deal and the ps4 to the ps5 will be treated like the ps2 from the ps1.

[nucky64]

cerny has given a lot of info today - i would be surprised if they didn't officially announce the new system sometime this year.
edit - i do agree with you on a launch for next year - but, i'm thinking earlier than november.

[Twinblade]

I'm thinking 2021.

[darthv72]

My thought exactly. I'd been saying since rumors started to flow that 2020 holds a certain significance to Sony. 20 years of PS2 and 25 of PS1 (in terms of NA and WW release). Just like the next Xbox may release in 2021 which is the 20th anniversary of the og xbox.

[extermin8or]

Nah, I reckon it could launch next march.....

[nismo370]

Yes

[nismo370]

No

[Nicaragua]

I was kinda hoping it would land at the end of 2019. No matter, as always i will be in line on launch day.

[Forn]

I'll just pre-order on announcement day from Amazon lol.

[sprinterboy]

Always been a launch party kinda guy, I might be 43 but still a kid at heart lol.

[KickSpinFilter]

LOL you won't get one for a week, from Amazon after launch.

[Forn]

@KickSpinFilter

Actually, my PS4 came right on launch day from Amazon 😉

[nowitzki2004]

Waiting for hours with other excited gamers is really fun and you get it faster than Amazon

[The 10th Rider]

It seems like that was the original plan. Their current game lineup, skipping E3, no PSX last year, this "announcement" out of nowhere. They were probably planning on a 2019 launch, but I don't think the tech is quite there yet. 7nm GPUs may not even launch this year.

[nucky64]

i disagree - with the great games they've been releasing, i don't think they had any intention (or reason) of bringing out ps5 before 2020.

[extermin8or]

@nucky64 he said some games including exclusives will get a release on both consoles and with backwards compatibility it doesn't matter. I reckon next march with them taking a slight loss to make back on software.

[JackBNimble]

The article says no 2019 launch

[nismo370]

Nonsense

[pinkyxyz]

"the tech isnt there yet". Everything that Cerney mentioned in the article is availble in one form or another right now except navi. summer release atm.

[The 10th Rider]

@nucky,

Right now the lineup is fine for a 2020 launch. However Dreams and Days Gone were both heavily delayed. If both had released last year then this year and next would have been really light without the PS5 launch. My guess is it would have been The Last of Us 2 over the summer, Ghost of Tsushima in the Fall, and Death Stranding cross gen . . . With the PS5 in November.

@JackBNimble,

Yeah, I don't think 2020 was a recent change. I just think 2019 was the original target, a year or two back.

@pinkyxyz,

Zen 2 is coming the middle of this year, right now Navi doesn't have a target, but it could be the end of this year. Production takes time, so even though the tech is available, tech that literally just launched typically doesn't appear In a console.

[sprinterboy]

2020 will help keep the launch price in check, I'm expecting and setting a side ££429/449 but I'm happy with that to get the extra specs we want.

[2BlackBelt]

Next Gen Playstation (PS5)
- PS4 Backwards Compatibility
- PSVR Compatible
- Physical Media

With Stadia and xCloud adopting this always online method, I can only see consumers wanting to go for the PS5, as long as studios continue to output Top shelf exclusives.

[Kribwalker]

MS has already stated that xCloud will be a compliment to the physical xbox hardware, not replacing it

[ShadowWolf712]

And Nintendo said the DS wasn't gonna replace the Gameboy, and that the Switch wasn't gonna replace the 3DS.

Everything about MS's actions, just like the above scenarios, indicates otherwise. The hardware is gonna be the same as Valve's Steamboxes, an option, but not their focus.

[Kribwalker]

They have already announced a new console and the rumours are it will be unveiled at E3. I don’t know what you guys are questioning

[SpaceRanger]

MS also stated back in the day that turning off “always online” wasn’t as easy as flipping a switch and that it was their new direction.

[nyu1]

@CaptainOmega

Yes let's dismiss a contradicting point by assuming that MS statement is a lie.

[JackBNimble]

Give me a break people, MS isn't giving up on hardware just yet.

[gamer7804]

xcloud is different from stadia in that xcloud is a compliment to the xbox hardware, whereas stadia is an online only solution.

[rainslacker]

So xcloud is free to use with your xbox? If not, it's just another service, and just because its tied to ones xbl account doesn't mean that it's not it's own thing anymore than psnow is somehow a compliment to ps4. They both stream games you purchase or rent in some way.

[bluefox755]

The point is that the focus is different, no one can deny at this point that MS are trying to shift their model away from the traditional console.

[TheUndertaker85]

So does the existence of PS Now stop consumers from wanting PS5 if that’s instantly what does it for Microsoft and Google? Then in the instance of Microsoft there’s a better chance of more backwards compatibility versus PS5.

They actually state the only reason PS4 backwards compatibility would happen is because of equal architecture. Anything else however is not on that architecture. So PS Now will likely still be required for PS3 namely.

[TheUndertaker85]

This as well, directly from this story:
“Google is leading a charge away from traditional consoles by launching a cloud-gaming service, Stadia, later this year. Microsoft’s next version of the Xbox will presumably integrate cloud gaming as well to allow people to play Xbox games on multiple devices. Sony’s plans in this regard are still unclear—it’s one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that “we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch””

[KickSpinFilter]

Almost for certain PSNow will be needed for PS3,2,1 BC.
But for PS4, PS5 will play all PS4 games.

[Srhalo]

@KickSpinFilter

Maybe your right, but I don't think so. PSNow is a service that provides games. Giving away BC for free doesn't harm PSNow's value if it has 800+ games. People are buying PSNow for the games not for the BC.

The two don't really compete directly.

[jaycptza]

some pretty exciting things ahead

[Father__Merrin]

If this thing can land with a respectable price then I can imagine many pc gamers taking the plunge.

[nucky64]

you're talking about the same PC players that said they'll wait a year to play metro rather than buy it on the epic store now? i really don't see them buying it.

[SegaGamer]

I can't speak for other PC gamers, but as one myself, it doesn't matter how cheap the PS5 will be, I will always pick my pc over it.

Anybody that plays games primarily on pc isn't going to be swayed by a cheaper console. If price was ever a reason to pick console gaming over pc gaming, then nobody would pick a pc because consoles have always been cheaper.

[uth11]

The average PC gamer has a relatively weak system according to Steam hardware surveys. On gaming sites you will mostly hear from the die-hards who will shell out the money for 2080s or other high-end GPUs and scoff at "console peasants".

They are far from typical though.

[Father__Merrin]

This is true most pc gamers have very modest systems. If ps5 can truly offer 4k60 at a very good price then it will be bound to take off with full developer support. Just imagine uncharted or God of war tbh I don't see any games as good as them on steam tbh. Blockbuster games will always be console > pc

[Fishy Fingers]

So basically Rysen/Navi with an SSD. Pretty much as most expect from both systems and pretty much useless without any genuine component specs.

Release wise, sooner the better for me. Been ready to upgrade for a while.

[frostypants]

Yeah, but a really, really freaking fast SSD beyond anything currently on the market, by the sounds of it. Which would seem pricey, but I'll wager they'll have a large HDD for general storage and a comparatively small SSD that the games you're actively playing get moved to.

[Fishy Fingers]

SSD's are standard and m.2 already out paces them on read/write speeds. There wont be anything special about the SSD in the PS5 that isnt already available

Your suggestion, albeit reasonable is what people have been doing on PC for years, lets not make it sound fancy now.

[bluefox755]

SSDs have dropped dramatically in price in recent years,and continue to. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they'll be practical for consoles by 2020.

[Rude-ro]

Sony is making their ssd.
It is like how they made their own hdmi instead of installing a commercial brand.
This allowed them to incorporate hdr on the base consoles while Microsoft had to release a newer model.

[mezati99]

...that is a fucking beast, backwards compatibility is icing on the cake

but there is no way in hell that thing is gonna cost anything less than $500, especially with SSD

[gamer7804]

they need to have ps3 BC as well, then yah that would be awesome. I think they learned their lesson selling over 500$ though for system only

[frostypants]

PS3 BC will be a lot trickier given the overhead of emulating Cell. They will probably finally have the horsepower for it but it would take some work. PS4 compatibility is simpler since both systems will be x86 based.

[dumahim]

I think they could easily do it with a hybrid system. Use HDD for the mass storage and maybe 100-200 GB SSD to handle whatever you're currently playing.

[Eidolon]

It's going to be m.2 SSD. And there's no way it would be less than 512gb in 2020. If it's going to be only SSD, it will be 2TB. SSD prices are falling quick.

[Araragifeels]

According to the rumors that it going to be $500 and they going to be selling it at a loss.

[Eidolon]

They did with PS3 and boy did they get their money back.

[frostypants]

Small SSD with a larger HDD for longer term storage would keep the price down. In the current market a 250GB SSD is only $50. And this thing isn't coming out for another year or so. A 250GB SSD with, say, a 2TB HDD could easily come in a sub-$500 system, and that's in today's market, not 2020's.

[Eidolon]

it will likely be a m.2 NVMe SSD. it's not cost effective to go with anything under 512gb

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't be surprised if its $500. But if they hit $400 again, especially if they manage the rumored clock speed, and it's pretty much an easy win.

I'm surprised about the ssd though. Hard drive access is generally just considered storage on these machines, so I wonder if they're setting it up to have the hard drive act as a sort of virtual memory. That could be huge for a gaming system, as it means streaming assets can be more fluid to develop for, especially between console/PC ports.

[KickSpinFilter]

It is... it will not be more than 499.99 they learned their lesson with PS3

[bluefox755]

Many people don't realize how dramatically SSDs have and continue to drop in price.

[Cobra951]

Memory prices have been practically in free fall recently. That's very fortunate for everyone (except the memory manufacturers). SSDs reflect that trend, and I hope that only continues to improve.

[ps5fanboy]

cerny be thy name! *garth teeth smile*

[ps5fanboy]

tbh i think he is an alien lol.

[phoenixwing]

Ssd is surprising. Must mean they have some jaw dropping games in mind that required it

Edit: This got me excited: "but Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs." Magic i say. Magic.

[Foxhound922]

My list for PS5:

Continued onslaught of new and exciting exclusive games that we've grown to know and love.

Everything else is just icing on the cake.

[extermin8or]

Just want sequel to God of War lol

[averagejoe26]

Same.

Maybe I'm just old school but as a gamer all I care about is...well...games.

Sony has the best exclusives and I'll be among for the ride.

[ArchangelMike]

Backwards compatibility confirmed.

[DJStotty]

I thought back compat was irrelavant to Sony fans and "no-one wants to play old games"

"sigh" - the irony today

[thepetedog]

wow, yeah. I guess the vocal minority really does represent the entire user base

/s

[Platformgamer]

i still don't care about it, because i don't sell my consoles.
i hope BC news is false honestly, if you want to play ps4 games buy a ps4, if i buy ps5 is for playing ps5 games

[UltraNova]

The true irony here lies in the fact that you are triggered about someone stating a fact like BC on Ps5 is confirmed.

[Razzer]

Is that kind of like all Xbox fans not caring about first party exclusives until MS bought first party studios?

See? Anyone can generalize specific points of views.

[MasterCornholio]

BC has the most impact in the beginning of the generation because it’s a way of keeping gamers locked in to their ecosystem.

It isn’t needed but it’s a nice feature to have.

[Sevir]

The way I feel, as if the PS4 is really just starting to show it's prowess. Having PS4 Games play in Native 4K on the Next Gen PS is going to be awesome. Especially if they've hardware accelerated it in the same way MS did with the X for OG Xbox games that run on The X through BC.

The Demo of Spider-Man proves that the game runs faster, and that the specs according to the author of the article and Cerny who paused the game while it was in motion to show that Spider-Man looked crisp at 4k... Presumably native now that it's on this Beast of a Next Gen Machine.

60fps? 120fps?

What is this machine truly capable off if it already supports 8K displays 😈

Cerny Tell me now how much this machine gon' cost so I can start saving for it. It already sounds more powerful than Stadia's instance of 10.7 tflops. I cannot WAIT to see Digital foundry run wild with analysis and speculations.

This is exciting.

And just 2 months before MS reportedly starts their conversation on Next Gen.

I love this time of a console cycle

[nucky64]

you must not be paying attention - MANY people on here have wanted BC from sony. it's not a big deal to me; but ,it's a nice perk if i want to go back and play some old ps4 games i never got to play.

[OB1Biker]

Your missing the point that PS5 bc is current ps4 games. So yes, it's important now as we speak. Might not be as important in 6 years time.

[darthv72]

dont you know how this works. when sony says it, the fans support it. Like when they said no to BC, the fans defended the decision. Like when they said no to 4k UHD drive in the Pro, the fans defended the decision.

Now when Sony says yes to BC (and most likely yes to UHD) the fans will defend it because Sony says so.

Yes that was sarcasm.

[ShadowWolf712]

It's almost like BC at the START of a gen is when it's important, and not years into it!

[rainslacker]

The irony that you just prove that people ignore everyone else's points about any given subject, then act superior by acting like they did by stating what they supposedly thought was said?

Or the irony of how your argument is just meant to raise tensions for no reason, while trying to make yourself look better?

[KickSpinFilter]

No, 4 years in when a console adds BC it doesn't matter... at launch it does. That's the difference.

[WelkinCole]

You guys are like little kids.

Huge difference announcing it at the start of a gen and announcing it half way through.

Also huge difference between Sony and MS game selection to begin with.

Let me explain so your little brain can understand

When MS announced x360 BC for X1 we were already half way through the gen. At that time PS gamers yes PS gamers already have too many top PS4 games to play.

I repeat. PS gamers already have too many top PS4 games to play by them

So when the question was asked then the majority of PS games didn't care about PS3 BC because we already have way too many PS4 games by then.

Yes you guys on X1 needed it which many of us made fun of because that was the only way you guys would get some exclusives to play.

In anycase no PS fan would say no to BC. However half way through this gen its not really important.

Now for the start of next gen?. Yeah why not?. Good to be able to play my huge backlog of PS4 exclusives on the PS5 at the start of the PS5 gen when there are not that many native PS5 games to start with.

[DJStotty]

the question is, what will people do if Microsofts console is more powerful?

What kind of arguments/defence mechanisms will we see?

Roll on E3!!!!

[gamer7804]

sort of. really it will be compatible with ps4 hardware games only, so it doesn't sound like we'll get any ps3 games with that sadly :(

[TheUndertaker85]

Not likely as PS3 games were developed specifically for the Cell processor. Plus if they do they’ll eliminate all point to PS Now.

[rainslacker]

He didn't really go into that much detail here. But it's highly unlikely to have native hardware support for ps3 or prior gems. The cell chip especially is rather costly, and not many plants are making them anymore.

There were some clock speed rumors floating around, and it was notable for it being the same clock speed of the ps3. The clock speed being the same would allow for individual processes to execute as fast as they could on the ps3, so there's a chance it could be done through emulation like MS does it now. Still a slim hope...based on an unverified rumor, but would be cool none the less

[gamer7804]

@rainslacker yah more information would be helpful, I'm just even doubting a ps3 emulator even, I agree way to costly to put any local hardware in. Sometimes emulation can yield better results than just running on native hardware alone.

[phoenixwing]

Yeah that makes it a hell of a lot easier for me to just go and buy it at launch without misgivings.

[CaptainOmega]

All I want is Knack 3

[Platformgamer]

i know you're sarcastic, but knack is not a shitty game and knack 2 is even better, so knack 3 is welcomed by me

[CaptainOmega]

Thank you.

And no. I do like the knack games. Looking forward to Knack 3.

[Hardiman]

I had a ball playing Knack with my son during last Christmas! So much fun!!! Not sure why Knack gets so much shit.

[Rude-ro]

I’m just glad it did not look a generation behind with an added 12x the power of the cloud.

Am I right?

[DJStotty]

I'll believe it at launch, a console capable of 8K output, partnered with an SSD, and up to date architecture, all bundled for a reasonable budget? (£400-600), i am slightly dubious.

[MasterCornholio]

Can’t be any more expensive than Microsoft’s next system since it’s rumored to be more powerful than the PlayStation. What it looks like to me is that Sony will be selling the system at a loss.

[Razzer]

"Can’t be any more expensive than Microsoft’s next system since it’s rumored to be more powerful than the PlayStation."

Rumored? lol....Phil Spencer flat out promised Xbox would never be less powerful.

[MasterCornholio]

@Razzer

You really can’t make those promises unless you know the competitions plans. Which is why it’s just typical Microsoft talk until they deliver the goods.

Anyways it’s not like we have detailed confirmation of what the systems will be like so we really can’t say which one will be the most powerful one.

[OB1Biker]

Are those rumours based on anything solid? I think it's more like educated guesses which maybe change after these details. Genuinely surprised how strong the PS5 sounds

[MasterCornholio]

@Pork

I don’t believe they will be exactly the same either. Just that they will each have their own advantages.

[rainslacker]

Technically, unless ms releases their next gen system before the ps4, then Spencer will have lied. If he releases at the same time, it's likely to be the same price vs. Power unless Sony overprices the ps4, or ms undercuts Sony on the x2. I suppose some leeway can be given, but I'd personally rather see ms make a solid system designed properly, and not just chase after the power card. They did a remarkable job with the x1x. It's probably one of the best designs consoles ever on a hardware level. Were getting to the point where power isnt as important, and so long as they both have the compute features devs will be using next gen, with good enough specs to handle the whole gen, it's a win for both. I'd prefer not to have a repeat of the mid gens again.

[gravedigger]

@pork

"Phil saying that the next Xbox won't ever be less powerful doesn't necessarily mean it will be more powerful either. For all we know both the Next Xbox and PS5 may be the on the same level in power."

Phil Spencer literally said last year during E3 conference that MS will set the benchmark for console gaming. Yeah, that means that next Xbox will be the most powerful console out there. Will it be?

[DJStotty]

The same applies for the Microsoft console (when we know specs)

I just think with the current claims, (8K etc) that both will struggle to fit it into a sweet spot price point for mass purchase.

[I_am_Batman]

It's not like 8k output cost them anything besides inluding the newest HDMI 2.1 standard which for a device that's going to launch in 2020 isn't really surprising. That doesn't mean that you'll be able to play most or even any games in 8k though. 8k TVs are still a ways off and rendering a game in 8k is extremely demanding so I doubt many games will support native 8k or even upscaled 8k for some time.

And for SSD they could go for a combination with a large 2TB HDD and a 120-256GB M.2. A tiered storage system would work very well for a console and devs could even include instructions which data is installed on which drive.

When I calculated the cost for such a console I've come up with a BOM+manufacturing of around $480. Obviously there was some speculation involved as I had to estimate die sizes and rely on expert price trend predictions being right but it's 100% possible to get a console like this out for $500 probably even without the need of taking losses.

Here's my predicted specs I assumed when doing the calculations: https://i.postimg.cc/qBcky5...

[Guyfamily999]

8K output just means it will have HDMI 2.1. Games and devs aren't going to be targeting 8K, even with a 2080ti that isn't a smart target. Especially since the amount of consumers with 8K displays will be less than 1 percent. 8K output means it can send an 8K picture out, meaning perhaps the user interface and some apps like YouTube will support 8K. The SSD is definitely more interesting, as they're claiming not only to have an SSD, but an SSD with more bandwidth than any on PC. The cheapest SSDs are still double the price of Hard Drives, and the fastest SSDs can be like 6 times the price per GB. So either they're onto a massive technology leap in the world of storage, or this thing is gonna be expensive as hell to manufacture.

[gamer7804]

agreed, 4k is the target for next gen, great visuals and frame rate at 4k, I'd rather that then doubling the resolution

[DJStotty]

Well said Guy, SSD's alone are expensive. Have they mentioned the size of the SSD in the PS5?

[Guyfamily999]

@DJStotty No they haven't, and I'm sure hoping that it isn't 500gb. If it supports external hard drives at launch I'd be less concerned, I could just keep the games I play most on the fast internal SSD.

[TKCMuzzer]

Why are you dubious? Sony don’t buy the parts in packs of 10, they buy them in huge quantities which drastically lowers the price of each component. It’s amazing how much money these companies can save when they whack a great dollop of cash on the table

[DJStotty]

Well take the PS4 Pro, and the xbox one X as a benchmark. Didn't they launch between 4-5 hundred?

The only way Sony and Microsoft will hit a price point below £400 for these new machines, would be to absorb the hit.

Even buying in bulk doesn't shave around 3-4 hundred per console off lol.

[Segata]

Likely just 8k video. 4k for games.

[Donnie81]

Mark Cerny looks like the character Dana Carvey played on snl the church lady lol.

[Abnor_Mal]

Well isn't that special. Who told you that? Who could it be, who could it be? Could it bee... SATAN?!?

[Veneno]

He looks more like the Grinch.

[Eidolon]

The Grinch who will save Christmas 2020 :)

[Platformgamer]

some innovation hardware wise and awesome quality on first/second party games like in all the playstation generations.

[jaycptza]

I am also really glad that their is BC because my backlog is not going away anytime soon :(

[Asuka]

I mean backwards compatibility should be a given considering it's still the same architecture... The only reason that it wouldn't be backwards compatible is if it was locked behind a pay wall via software

[milohighclub]

Yes. called 8k 120fps raytracing for next gen. 8k n raytracing confirmed just word on those frames.

[DJStotty]

I admire your enthusiasm, but don't set yourself up for disappointment.

[milohighclub]

Non of its native of course. 4k upscaled, intelligent frame creation to get to 120 and raytràcing is there.

[DJStotty]

lets wait for facts and game analysis before we speculate.

[I_am_Batman]

Out of nowhere! I'm really surprised they tease us with this much concrete information upfront.
Zen 2, Navi, SSD and PS4 backwards compatibility confirmed. That sounds close to best case scenario so far.

Seems very likely that they'll have an event shortly after E3 now.

[froy402]

A form of raytracing, a thing that people on here (n4g) swore it would never happen!

[I_am_Batman]

You don't need dedicated hardware to support raytracing so it's very clear to anyone who understands the topic that the PS5 will support it to some degree. It's also important to make the distinction between a fully pathtraced rendering pipeline and the hybrid approach between rasterization and raytracing we have today. If we're talking about fully pathtraced render I'm with the people that say it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

[darthv72]

And yet there may be a PS5 Pro just a few years after.

[TKCMuzzer]

Unlike a new graphics card for a PC which would be every year. I give you this, you are like a one man Microsoft army, unfortunately like Microsoft you keep marching wrong way.

[I_am_Batman]

Well as long as hardware keeps evolving there is no way to future-proof it indefinitely. The only thing we can hope for is that when it launches it features up to date tech (unlike the Jaguar cores of the PS4 CPU) and from the information we have right here it looks really promising in terms of the SoC and storage.

I'd argue that the PS4 Pro wasn't necessary and I personally never felt the urge to upgrade from my launch PS4 since I'm only gonna upgrade to a 4k TV this year.

[Atticus_finch]

Poor Darth lol.

[Hardiman]

You seem pretty salty today Darth. Your approach usually isn't so on the nose.

[DJStotty]

Could also be a ruse to try and tempt Microsoft's hand to disclose info on their next machine.

All specs are subject to change.

[I_am_Batman]

I agree. That's probably why they haven't announced any hard specs yet. The things they've announced so far aren't going to change but I could definitely see them waiting til the last moment to finalise clock speeds and the size of the memory pool.

[BlaqMagiq1]

From the article:

"For example, the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won’t be a download-only machine. Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console."

Automatic Day 1 buy for me.

[airshiraz]

if u play battlefield 3 on pc u wont feel its visulas is old cause its graphics techniques is almost the same as batlefield v only huge change is the amount of polygons.so if ps5 supports ray tracing properly then we will see a dramatic change for games visuals for ps5 games vs ps4 games .

[MWH]

sounds great and all, the big question is:
how much?

[XxSPIDEYxX]

Expect an event early 2020, early in the year like Sony usually does, console reveal at E3 2020, at E3 like Sony usually does , launch November 2020 just in time for Christmas. Earlier if Microsoft forces their hand.

[I_am_Batman]

That was my expectation before this article dropped. Now I'm back to thinking that they'll have an announcement event after E3 and release the PS5 somewhere between March and May of 2020. I just don't see why they'd release this info if they don't plan on revealing more details for almost a whole year. Especially because anouncing PS4 bc might have a negative effect on PS4 sales. Would seem like a bad move if the PS5 isn't coming out until late 2020.

[mkis007]

Exactly, this lines up with an Early 2020 ps5 release.The first time we got ps4 details officially was at the playstation meeting in February 2013...we had the ps4 within that same year. Now we get this official info dump... I just dont see them announcing so early just to release it over a year later.

[Muigi]

I’ve said for the past year the PS5 is launching holiday 2020.

[Imortus_san]

No PS3 OR PS2 Backwards compatibility, really!!!

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Can yuo read? Not all details are announced it said AT LEAST PS4 BC, AT LEAST.......

[TheUndertaker85]

“Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. As in many other generational transitions, this will be a gentle one, with numerous new games being released for both PS4 and the next-gen console.”

“Sony’s plans in this regard are still unclear—it’s one of the many things Cerny is keeping mum on, saying only that “we are cloud-gaming pioneers, and our vision should become clear as we head toward launch””

[Imortus_san]

Yes it says PS4 and nothing else.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

It sid "At least"...you clearly can;t read..plans are still being finalised.

[Imortus_san]

Keep it up, and we will see in final produt.

[TheUndertaker85]

Cerny referred to Sony as “cloud-gaming pioneers”. Sony has invested so much in buying Gaikai and other cloud services along with expanding PS Now.

Cerny also showed backwards compatibility for PS4 games on PS5 & nothing else. It was also emphasized that the ability to do so is based on the fact that PS4 & PS5 will share architecture. But we already know that nothing else in the PlayStation family of devices is on that same architecture.

I don’t see Sony offering backwards compatibility for PS3 namely because of Cell and that ability being exclusive to PS Now on PS4.

Otherwise I imagine that backwards compatibility for PS2 & PSOne titles will go the “PlayStation Classics” route. If it has a PS4 “Classic” variation it will play that.

[darthv72]

That is what PSNow is for. Seriously... where you been all gen?

[Imortus_san]

Right were I'm now, not paying for PS now or PS plus, I want to use my PS3 games outside of PS3, and yes I hope PS5 makes it happen, even if it's a download like the Xbox One does with the Xbox 360 games, PS5 should have more then enough power for it to emulate PS3 the proper way.

[stuckNhere4Good]

4:30 - 4:39 of this video... https://www.youtube.com/wat... says otherwise. Seriously... Where have you been all gen?

[Hardiman]

Well it was reported recently that Sony did patent tech that emulated Cell and legacy tech. So we'll just have to wait and see.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

MS already lost next gen..sony hitting every box. Worldwide is Sony 's to lose.

[Tapani]

Brilliant! So PS5 for PS4/PS5 games, and then PS3 phat with an SSD for PS1/2/3 games. Then PSVR2 for VR and you are set to play all the games in PS family :)

[capjacksparrow]

The rumored $500 price tag is a bit rough, not saying it won't be worth it, but the sweet spot for a launch console is $399 or lower. I hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot. I'll support them because they always have the best games, but the majority will often go for the cheaper option.

[akaFullMetal]

There's a rumor when the ps5 does come out there will be 100 hit Sony will take for the cost. So they may sell the ps5 for 400 but cost Sony 500 to make till production cost come down.

[capjacksparrow]

One can hope. It seems like a beast of a console though.

[Lilrizky]

I'm really nooby when it comes to the technical stuff? Are the insides good? Any comparisons or a lay man's explanation of how good it is or how it compares to say PS4 was in 2013 vs other PC's in 2013? I don't know if any of this makes sense lol

[dumahim]

It's more powerful.

Can't really say without specific specs.

[Segata]

It will be $500+

[OneEyedSteve]

I wonder if in a few years games that are coming out on PS5 will also come out on PS4 Pro but not the Standard PS4.

[KickSpinFilter]

Nope, PS5 will play Ps4 games but PS4/Pro will not play PS5 games at all.

[cfc83]

I guess November 2020

[motorsport71]

Spring 2021

[Sevir]

Developers have an update version of the Devkits, and they've accelerated deployment to developers... Goodness this was a facinating read. "Cerny PlayStation" I'm here for it

[SethBrundlefly]

Well I'm happy.

[Srhalo]

lol not that guy who downvoted lol... he wasn't happy haha

[PurpHerbison]

Not ready for this. Good games started to release frequently over the last 2 years. New console requires a lot of patience since it has to build game momentum all over again. First two years usually only have 1-2 gems.

[mkis007]

Well BC at launch and shared architecture makes it a non-issue. The way I see it, ps4 games will get a boost on ps5 natively, but the ps5 disc versions will have an appropriate leap in fidelity.

[goldwyncq]

KNACK 3 as a launch exclusive anyone?

[Srhalo]

I'd buy it.

I own the first two, actually enjoyed them both.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Backwards compatible.. all I needed to know. Day 1

[dumahim]

You seem oddly enthusiastic to buy a next gen console to play current gen games.

[MetroidFREAK21]

I got into the PS4 too late in it's lifecycle to really enjoy the library. I plan to buy games for the PS4 I want to play and play them on the PS5 alongside the next gen titles.

[2pacalypsenow]

The icing on the cake would be PS1/PS2 and PS3 BC.

[EricLane]

Have any experts looked at this information and made reliable estimates on pricing?

[dumahim]

It's pretty early still, but I_am_Batman above had a quick thought.

[Orionsangel]

Wow! Backwards compatibility? That means I can sell my PS4 and still keep my PS4 games. Yay!!! Your move Microsoft.

[Tototot]

60 fps on AAA game pls

[kayoss]

GREATNESS... you can expect Greatness.

[KillBill]

Ray tracing... hahahahaha

[xenz]

Ray tracing is great technology for lightning and sound tho

[KillBill]

Really? Tell me again how ray tracing gives us better sound. lol

I am aware of what ray tracing is and it really does do a lot in terms of lighting (lightning maybe not so much?) but for what it does it comes at a very expensive cost. The idea that a console will support actual ray tracing at an affordable price by next year is just wishful thinking at best.

[xenz]

Cerny literally says it in the article that ray-tracing can be used to make NPCs react more realistic to soundwaves. You know, soundwaves can bounce off of materials. I bet you probably thought global illumination also was bullshit before Xbox One and PS4 released?

Also, Ray Tracing performance has already been improved a lot with just software updates. When you have a system optimized for Ray Tracing, and developers are getting more used to the technology, you will see results that are more impressive and less demanding than what we have seen so far today.

Another thing is that ray tracing makes development easier for devs. It takes less time, effort and money to implement compared to rasterizing and other techniques that's widely used today.

Do you really want to be stuck with the same look that we got with todays games? Don't you appreciate progress?

[DafunkyRebel]

PS5 is not gonna be cheap I tell you what

[KillBill]

Not with ray tracing!!!! Even the idea of it being in a console by next year is just crazy. Completely not affordable.

[Deathdeliverer]

This will be one expensive mf.

[xenz]

Probably, but worth every cent

[sampsonon]

i hear all the right things.
but most of all i like when he said "For example, the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won’t be a download-only machine. Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console. "

[Srhalo]

Yea, I saw that too, excellent.

He's was ticking off all the boxes.

[KillBill]

Well not ALL the boxes. Still a lot of other BC devices that didn't get the pass for the new system.

[Stanjara]

Everything I wanted to hear. Mark Cerny- the guy who made 4gb of ram into 8gb now makes HDD's into SSD's.

[Dragonscale]

Day 1.

[Veneno]

Day -1.

[xenz]

Will pre-order as soon as possible

[froy402]

So current psvr will be compatible with ps5, interesting, although I think it will only be compatible with ps4 games since ps5 will be backwards compatible and a new vr2 will be released when ps5 releases for ps5 games

[BigKev45]

Can't wait for the PS5, day 1 for me as well. It is going to be a beast!

[slavish0]

Wow seems like m$ forced their hand. I guess they want to get the info out before m$ more power system gets announced at e3 😲

[Atticus_finch]

"m$ forced their hand."
You're assuming way too much.

[Dragonscale]

More like Sony has put a spanner in the works for ms at e3 before e3 lol. Think Sony is gonna be forcing ms hand tbh.

[Xavi4K]

Its funny how everyone dying to get backwards comp games. Meanwhile ever since microsoft announce backwards comp everyone bash it and I quote “ no one want to play old games pfft” ...lol hypocrisy lvl 99 😂😂😂

[Stanjara]

We actually have a good backlog now so it is important.

[KillBill]

Wait... so you are saying that people didn't have a good backlog of PS3 games when they bought PS4???

[Hardiman]

It's great at the start of a gen because obviously there's not gonna be a lot of new games. I've never used BC, ever but this gen my PS4 back log is so immense I welcome it with the PS5 for those early years. Also games look so good now and control well for the most part playing them on PS5 and getting the native 4K will be awesome!

Now four of five years into a gen it's not that big of a deal! That's where most of the BC naysayers are coming from! At that point your first party should be churning out quality titles combined with second and third party along with indies.

[Xavi4K]

Well I have to agree with you in everything you said there 👍🏻 , also rumors says that spider man on the dev kit looked even better than ps4 pro so you got a point there.

[dekke]

funny that my fatty ps3 played also ps2 and ps1 games :P

[Segata]

Is this going to cost $500+ then?

[Veneno]

500 USD seems the most reasonable without being too expensive. I also think that Sony will not accept anything less than at least price matching the Next Box 📦 or being cheaper.

[Srhalo]

I wouldn't be surprised. But that said they have had so much success at the $400 price point I can't see them passing up that "WOW!" moment they got when they revealed the PS4 price.

[KillBill]

With what they put down as specs we are talking closer to top line PS3 prices than not. $600+ is more likely the best guess.

[JLynn943]

Don't get me wrong, I'm almost assuredly getting the PS5, but...

"It's not just a bunch of upgrades." and then lists a bunch of power, visual, and audio upgrades upgrades.

[phoenixwing]

I think what he meant by the upgrade comment is that its a leap instead of just a step up. At least thats how I interpret it. Also ssd changes a lot of how it works and performs game wise.

[ZaWarudo]

SSD and PS4 Backwards compatibility HNNNNNNNNNGGGGG

*SWEATS PROFUSELY*

[Artemidorus]

I knew along 2019 is unrealistic 2020-2021 is the target, been told it will have discs and BC.

[mark3214uk]

I guess ms are going to announce there next xbox at e3,so cerny wanted to get some details out 1st

Any mention of Atmos? Been waiting on that feature

[Jls1]

well guess I need to hurry and get caught up on my backlog or it will be ps4+ ps5 backlog

[Kosic]

Curious on price. May upgrade if the BC for PS4 games are unlocked from the get go (most likely is). Then shift my PS4 pro and stick to a 5 and play the games I've missed.

But this really is down to the price, and the output at 4k (60fps and true 4k).

[FallenAngel1984]

Cue people who praised PS2 & PS3 for having native backwards compatibility then bashing BC as a whole because PS4 didn’t have it to suddenly praising PS5 for featuring it once more

[Silly gameAr]

Cue the people who tried to use BC as a selling point, and rub it in PS4 owners faces like BC had never been done before.

[FallenAngel1984]

BC was the main reason I was an early adopter for GBA, PS2, DS, Wii & PS3 so yeah it can be a selling point

[PhoenixUp]

@ Silly

Except Sony themselves used BC as a huge selling point when they marketed PS2, PSP & PS3. People even highly praised how PS3’s BC was initially far superior to 360’s & Wii’s use of the feature. Let’s not pretend that it was never a factor.

You can’t tell me that it’s not strange that those same people who loved the feature would suddenly turn their nose at it just because Sony didn’t implement it in their next console. Those same people will still end up highlighting PS5’s BC.

[Gamist2dot0]

Damn, it's all over on Youtube lol

[Hardiman]

Damnit boy this is some exciting news! PS4 BC will help continue the ecosystem and really this is the first gen where my backlog is so large that BC will be a great feature.

I'm not the most tech savvy person but from what I read this is really, really good specs! PSVR compatible and possible PSVR 2 is awesome as well! Woo hoo!!!!

[Srhalo]

This is exactly the kind of stuff I want to hear.

Personally power isn't really that important but I can't wait to see how it turns out. I've had my eye on Navi as well, really looking forward to seeing what it's all about from both a console and PC perspective. And with Ryzen powering the console, gaming will finally push past the 4 core limit we have been locked at for almost 20 years.

It's nice to have Sony so straight forwardly admit there is a PS5 in the works. We've all known it for a while but from Sony it's always been kind of a wink and a nudge reply when talking about PS5 up till now.

[Stanjara]

Oh and I have to add here that I really hope there will only be one SKU of ps5, and that cheaper option remains the PS4 pro. For everyone sake ( developers, gamers, Sony). It will have so much impact on future proofing the platform and push it forward. Even if they decide to add a mid gen cycle upgrade it will be so much simpler to just bum up the resolution to 8k and that rest of the core games remains the same. Please Sony no multiple SKUs

[FreeFallFrenzy]

It makes you wonder if he was talking about calendar or fiscal 2019 for when it won't be released. I had originally figured it would be March 20, 2020 that they release it and have an official announcement in January. I may need to back it up to holiday 2020 if that's the case.
But, they've been working on it for four years now, have the meat and potatoes on the hardware all set, and have accelerated dev kits to studios. So, I might as well just keep my estimate for March!

[mkis007]

I can't believe they would start these official interviews with a year and half until release. I'm still on the Spring 2020 wagon. Ps4 was announced in February and released in November that same year. I think this means it is a March-May launch.

[FreeFallFrenzy]

I agree, doesn't make sense to talk about it if it's going to be that far into the future. It's seems that;s also why they stopped talking about games 2-3 years before their launch dates. March does make a lot of sense business-wise, too. Have a great holiday selling the PS4, then launch the PS5 at the end of your fiscal year to get another couple million units out there. All-in-all, it's good for PR for hyping the entire ecosystem.

[TheCryptKeeper]

Time for the console pre release hype only to get the bitter reality later on down.

For some reason console tards always think they will be getting the features and performance of a top of the line PC for $400-$500. Try getting simple things like Vsync and anti-aliasing first before jumping the shark, ladies.

[xenz]

I guess you dont understand business economics all that much so let me just clue you in.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo can get cheaper, better performing hardware at a lower cost because they buy the parts in bulk, it's custom made and they can afford to take a loss. Where the money is made is on services, games, monetization.

[TheCryptKeeper]

Where is your example of a console that's had better preforming hardware, or even equal at that, compared to PC because they bought parts in bulk?

People like you hype these consoles up, only for hype to turn out to be 95% bullshit later. Happens every generation.

Console makers buy cheap, outdated, under powered versions of PC hardware and sell it in mass, just like they have have always done. You must be the one that is not aware of business economics and how profit is made or just the history of these boxes in general.

[xenz]

Uhm.. basically every console ever? Are you trying to say that in 2013 you could buy a PC as powerful as PS4 for 399$? And yes, you have to include cost of OS, mouse and keyboard, power supply, motherboard, casing, cooling, CPU, GPU, HDD, RAM (GDDR5 equalient, not DDR3 or 4) and a blu-ray player :)

[TheCryptKeeper]

You never said nothing about performance per dollar or which is the cheaper option to go with. You said console hardware can compete with PC hardware in terms of performance, which simply isn't true.

Even then you can get PC parts on the used market that will crush any under performing console for around the same price, including Windows like you console people like to throw up (15 dollars for an OEM key). That's not including the money you save with the way better deals you get on games. PC's pay for their self in the long run. You can live in fantasy land and act like consoles have better value, but that doesn't make it true.

[TheCryptKeeper]

Did I mention there is no fee to play online?

[Stanjara]

Like trying to get hdr on PC, with a decent store and a stable operating system, hoping that direct X12 sauce will not force you to buy a 1200$ graphics card.

[derek]

Wow! Take my money gif.

[ocelot07]

So happy to to hear the psvr we have now is compatible.

[Traecy]

A fall 2020/2021 release. Can't wait to purchase this monster!!

[antikbaka]

Devide everything said by 4

[WelkinCole]

I really love Sony's approach for the PS5.

Still a traditional PS console focusing on what most core gamers want from a hardware perspective.

PS4 BC is huge same as the SSD. I can imagine Watcher 3 loading like lighting on it which will be cool

For 8k this means more or less means really good 4k which is great in my books.

Great also PSVr is compatible. Can't imagine the performance boost on the PS5.

[ocelot07]

Hmmmmmm God Of War PS5 patch for the PS4 version would be nice (like the XB1X does with the like of Fallout 3 ect) but with native 4K 60fps support or 8K 30FPS. Just imagine if all of Sony's top PS4 exclusives get a PS5 patch like Bloodborne, Spider-Man, Days Gone ect would be a incredible launch day lol.

[mkis007]

The more I read the more I think the SSD isn't what people expect. It will be as fast as he says , but it wont be a large device, maybe enough to to fit the last 5 games you played maybe 250gb-500gb. The standard drive and its bus( the big 1-2tb one) will probably be enhanced in a way to make moving the data back and forth seamless and fast.

This opinion is all based on efficiency and some logic I came up with. 1. Having all your games sit on a sdd whether you have played them recently or not is a waste of storage space and cost. 2. The speed he is talking about ( faster than currently available) just couldn't be done at console level cost with that much space.

[Ninver]

"the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won’t be a download-only machine. Because it’s based in part on the PS4’s architecture, it will also be backward-compatible with games for that console."

Say no more. I'm already sold!

[81BX]

One word....greatness

[Jon_Targaryen]

Ps4 bc what about ps3, ps2 and s1? Wss expecting them to go all out.

[VJGenova]

Sure it's been said, but ray tracing, lol.

[InKnight7s]

Wow. 8 cores, specialize SSD, on Ps4 you need 15 seconds of fast travel in Spiderman, Next Ps do the exact same thing in the exact location in 0.8 second.

Backward compatible, 3D audio, PS VR, No digital only, Cloud Gaming and it is based of PS4 architecture and targeting better changes than Ps3 to Ps4. +

Edit: + 8k support and cross gen releases is a clear path for developers. Lastly, Death Stranding is coming on both.

[cheameup]

but no one wants BC.sony told me so

[gamer7804]

I'm expecting bright white lights all over the place, ba da Bing!

[3-4-5]

I'm excited for next gen.

I'm getting both the next Xbox & PS5, as well as whatever Nintendo releases next.

So much potential for the next gen

[Thundercat77]

Exciting news!!!

If Sony can manage to give the PS5 at $399 , then they are going to break some records once again.

I will pre-order on hour 1.

[Frankfish]

With there being 3d audio implemented that means psvr plugged straight in to the console? No breakout box this is good news

[Kaii]

Nothing on Framerate, Every true "Gamer" cares about fps In games, yet they spout 8k resolution, I'm not hating this revelation of hardware specs, Just It's Interesting to me they skip what would be Important to us, 60fps being the [CONSOLE_STANDARD] for nextgen, I don't want to fucking see any triple AAA studio throw out 30fps shit anymore.

+Depending on the game of course

[Damrock]

PS5 Supports 8k is a fancy way of saying it will work on a 8k tv...

I hope the focus is more on 4k 60fps than 4k30fps

[Mulletino]

ESVI please.

[Cobra951]

8-core Ryzen 2, and Navi. Best news AMD can deliver right now, and no surprise to me. SSD storage, probably with a hugely faster interface with the system than SATA (NVMe?). Great time for this, as memory prices have gotten so much better. I can't imagine the suits liked the idea early in the system's development. SSDs were a lot more expensive then. Optical disc still present. Back-compat with PS4. So far, they're hitting all the right notes. A mention of memory quantity and speed would have been nice.

I look forward to learning more. This already looks like a winner.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

If it is $599 that is not really expensive. Most people buy phones that are 2x as much only to upgrade again in 2 years and spend yet again $1000+, which is ridiculous. Samsung Fold sold out of all preorders and that's about $2,000, even though the phone has some serious issues.