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Is PlayStation ready to compete against Google’s Stadia?

"Google took the gaming world by the storm with its Stadia announcement. This idea is by far something completely revolutionary. Streaming games have been alive since the days of OnLive and Gaikai. The impressive part comes from the fact that Google indeed has the capital and infrastructure to make this work. With robust competition in the streaming market, is Playstation ready to compete against Google’s Stadia?" -- PlayStation Enthusiast

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IRetrouk1888d ago (Edited 1888d ago )

Would it not be the other way around? Seeing as its playstation who currently has the biggest game streaming service? Sonys working on updates as we speak, they said as much, if anyone thinks Sony sees Google and micro coming and is just sitting there is in for a shock.

anonymousfan1887d ago

I wonder if tomorrow's "state of play" is timed precisely to show off Sony's streaming service

IRetrouk1887d ago

Not a bad shout tbf, although they did say it would feature games, both unannounced and show off ones we know about too, excited for it but keeping myself in check😂

fr0sty1887d ago

Why show it off in a public event when we can all play it right now?

IRetrouk1887d ago

Well I mean they would have to hype the upgrades and also roll them out, one good thing is that Sony has a hell of a lot of data to work with, which can only lead to improvements, also the roll out of any upgrades will probably happen quick, they already have a very good base to work off. Its input lag I want to see an improvement in the most, it kills racing games for me, which I would play the most to be honest.

crazyCoconuts1887d ago

I don't think so. I think they'll be quietly getting something ready but will wait to play their hand. Competition hasn't really revealed anything useful about pricing model or anything. I'm sure they'd like to know what they're up against before making adjustments.

Ju1887d ago

Sony could just make every PSN game you own available on PSNow (and integrate the cloud saves better). Bam. Thousands of games available right away. This doesn't even cost them a dime. And then, merge PSNow subscription into a PSN+ version and make all free PSN games PSNow games (which in fact it already is).

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battlegrog1887d ago

Clearly you dont understand the back end of this business. Its the infrastructure and technology which sony has neither. The only way sony can compete is if they are renting servers all over the world because they dont have that structure and have a huge cloud team working on making this work. Theres 2 reasons why ps now is not hugely popular. They are using a small tech company sony bought up and the service is not even close to being good enough.Plus they decided to only go in a random selection of games library compared to choosing what games u want to buy to stream. So for the sake of sony i hope that is exactly what they will do. They could team up with Amazon maybe since google is going in on its own. MS has the structure, the tech and the library. So they have a very strong place hold in this cloud concecpt

IRetrouk1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

What a load of crap, ps now is bigger than all 3 of eas services and ms gamepass, it's the only working streaming game service, how has it not got the structure or tech if it's been working from 2014?🤣🤣 they payed for onlive, that alone gave them over 140 patents and other bits of tech, they also bought gaikai or whatever it was called, they have plenty of tech and servers, ps now works fine, its input lag that puts me off, and guess what? Input lag will always be present, no matter who does the streaming, basically your whole post is a diehard xbox fans rant😂

rainslacker1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

It's funny how people really seem to know what kind of server space Sony has to run PSNow. They don't have the technology. They don't have the servers. Sony's been running PSNow for a while now. It works. They obviously have the technology. They obviously have the server space. If they need more, they can buy them, or rent them. Hell, they could rent it from MS or Google if they wanted to. Or they can do what they're already doing and partner with RackSpace.

One may not understand the back end of the business, but you haven't done anything to prove Sony isn't capable, or doesn't have the server availability. Nothing points to them not having it. Sure, MS and Google have more, but it's not like they're dedicating all that space to these services.

Ju1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

Funny that they cite "the infastructure" when all other 2 main competitors explicitly say, they are putting custom servers in their data centers. MS builds custom XB1S blades, and Google a dedicated x86/10Tf server. Sure, if they can interface with the rest of their data centers to do some processing, that's an advantage, but why even bother putting custom (!) HW in data centers then? All PSNow servers are custom PS3/PS4 blades. What's the difference? I tell you, from a business standpoint, nobody will clog up expensive CPU resources with games nobody will pay for when you can charge per cycle for any compute resource in the a data center.
I have the feeling some here think all this will come free for a $10 subscription and no additional cost. Guess again...those $60 per game need to come from somewhere... also, for games to really work you need dedicated instances per gamer. Even if they just play a game for 5 minutes. You need to have the HW available instantly. That's significantly more grunt than say stream 100 (or so) video streams from the same node at the same time (or something). And then you probably cover 10% of the market.
As long as the games run on dedicated HW (and don't offload loads of stuff to the "cloud") all those are, are just "remote consoles". All one needs is a warehouse close enough to a fat fiber pipe and you are good to go. Doesn't matter if that is owned by google or not. Google and MS pay for real estate like anyone else - no matter if they own the place or just rent it.

rainslacker1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

@Ju

In theory, blade servers could be networked in a way where unused processing time can be distributed to other systems. Not every game is going to use all the power all the time. That'd be highly inefficient to actually have a single blade server for any given potential concurrent player count. I think the Blade servers are not quite what some people assume. Same with the one's on PSNow. They will have multiple processors running in tandem, and each processor will be more powerful than the allotted 10TB.

They're still expensive, but distributed computing is nothing new. It's how Cloud already works, and while I don't have spec details on any of these services, it's the most reasonable assumption to make. It's also the most versatile and upgradable solution for expansion, as they wouldn't have to replace all the servers when more power becomes necessary.

The above solution is the only way that these services would be viable that I can think of. The cost of a blade server, even a basic one, would require quite a lot of users per unit on the subscriber base to make a return. Like a few hundred or more assuming a $20/month fee, or them just taking a cut of individual sales....not to mention the bandwidth costs involved if Google is talking about 25-30Mb/s data throughput. They'll also have other costs associated with the service, and assuming a sub model, the cost to license all those games, or potentially developing their own if they're going that route.

uth111886d ago

they can scale up as needed or rent from a public cloud. They've had a decade to work it out. The main reason it ian't bigger is the demand for streaming just isn't there

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rainslacker1887d ago

You'd think so. PSNow has been out for what....6 years? Has the bulk of the game streaming market.

I'd say Google is about as prepared as they can be, but Sony hasn't been sitting around doing nothing all these years despite what people think.

Starman691887d ago

Google will be begging sony for a PlayStation App on their machine, not the other way round. Luckily they have a good relationship with one another.

Alek831887d ago

Exactly! Playstation is an established brand, Stadia is not.
I did a stress test weekend for Stadia and it was not great.

Even discarding the random crashing, the input lag was not pleasant to deal with.
Maybe once everyone has gigabit internet.

opc1887d ago

I think the issue is that PSNow requires at the very least a PS controller and the PSNow client. On the other hand Google simply requires Chrome and a google account, something billions of people already have.

subtenko1887d ago

google has better servers I think but its PS with the exclusives

fundy1886d ago

With you on that one. Google is entering an arena dominated by consoles like PS4. They are the ones that need to equip themselves with everything they got. Not too worried here.

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Jin_Sakai1888d ago (Edited 1888d ago )

They’re the only one of the big companies that’s had a game streaming service of scale up and running for years. I’m sure they’re also improving the service behind closed doors as we speak. On top of that they own all the patents from Gaikai and OnLive for game streaming.

Sony also have the advantage of putting their world class exclusives on PS Now if they choose which would be a huge incentive for the service.

PS Now is fine.

https://www.notebookcheck.n...

IRetrouk1888d ago

Another thing I noticed, playstation has had a streaming service since ps3, never was it seen as revolutionary or the next step in gaming, infact certain fans of a certain console actively downplayed streaming games and ps now any chance they got, soon as Google and micro want in it's a different story, while I dont like streaming games myself I do find the latest 180 funny.

battlegrog1887d ago

buying up a small cloud company and not having the infrastructure nore the service that can properly provide what will make it works is not a 180.Theres a reason why sony raced that little company to the market. Theres a reason why its not main stream. they dont have the structure behind it

IRetrouk1887d ago

Its bigger than gamepass, and all 3 of eas services, how has it not got the infrastructure behind it? it was 2 companys they bought by the way, not one, the point is it worked on ps3 and works on ps4, it was never seen as the next big thing till now, and was actively talked down, so yeah defo 180. Microsoft nore Google will solve the input lag, it will always be there, that's what I dont like about streaming and why I dont subscribe, but trying to say that the company that already has the working product, since 2014 I may add, is the one that needs to compete with the company that hasn't is crazy talk, ms has all the money in the world, did that stop playstation from being dominant?

ILostMyMind1887d ago

Like VR. Wait for Microsoft to decide to do so.

NarutoFox1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

If you show this link to that certain group they'll deny it 😂

https://www.notebookcheck.n...

Godmars2901887d ago

EA has three separate streaming services?

IRetrouk1887d ago

Yeah this likes to be ignored, especially lately🤣

T2X1887d ago

Never understood fools not accepting facts. The reason Sony never truly went all in on streaming is because there is no need to. I like having the option, but I also like having my console in my house.

rainslacker1887d ago

More than just EA. Although they're the only publisher oriented one I know about. There are quite a few of these services around the world....and I have a feeling many people around here are blissfully unaware of it. Heck, I had ATT cable for a while, and they have a game streaming service. This was about 7-8 years ago. I believe Time Warner does too. From what I can tell, they kind of suck, and have limited content, but they're there. There's also that one that serves hotels whose name I don't know. So on and so forth.

Not sure why people think this is really something revolutionary, or what Google and MS are doing are going to be any better than the rest. They may be more successful since they'll market it left and right, but marketing doesn't always pay off. Google will leverage YouTube and instant access to games from those streamers, and the streamers will promote it because it'll likely make them money. MS really has no such advantage other than Windows, but if they push it like they push XBL or the Windows Store on Win10 right now, I don't expect they'll get much from that, because they don't make it intrusive like they used to do with similar companion products.

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CaptainCook1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

"Sony also have the advantage of putting their world class exclusives on PS Now if they choose which would be a huge incentive for the service."

Can you play new triple A games on PS Now like Assassin Creed? Nope.. You'll have to wait 5 years for Sony to add games that's limited to 720p via streaming, while Google offers 1080p to 4k streaming.

IRetrouk1887d ago

At the minute Google offers nothing but words, same as ms, Sony has it working right now...

JesusBuiltmyHotrod1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

lol..that is just a business decision. Sony does not now because they dont need to. SEE GOW, Spiderman sales....Once the market dictates they want it sony will do it..Thats the diff between MS, and google and sony..Sony is smart enough to not try and push this on consumers until it is feasible globally...

There is a bog world outside your little american bubble.

uth111887d ago

They could easily develop exclusives for PS Now. They don't do it now because there's no competative advantage to do so.

I'm sure we will see them up the resolution as well

rainslacker1887d ago

Until you know the price of playing world class AAA games day on on the service, I don't know if it's worth bragging about. If they charge full price day one, then what's the point? It's unlikely to be part of a sub service, because Google isn't going to spend all that money to get all those exclusives day one, or even real early.

krauley1887d ago

Do blockbuster movies come out straight to the streamers like netflix, hbo and the like before they show up at the theaters? Nope... youll have to wait until they make the rounds at the theaters to make the money then they go to the streamers. Kind of makes sense to do it that way doesnt it captain, just like sonys blockbuster games.

Ju1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

I would think the business model is there to protect the HW platform. But I can imagine, that will shift quite a bit; especially since Sony makes most of its money from network services lately, anyway. They might just build that PS5 not only as a console but also to stuff it into their data-centers. It's not a technical limitation. They could allow you to play PSN games - the ones you pay full price for - to become available through PSNow. That's even the perfect time right now when the PS4 hw market flattens and it won't cannibalize console sales much any more. I would be OK with that - well, I would prefer to roll PSNow subscription into PS+ then, but this is all business and has nothing to do with tech. They have every single game on PSN today, at launch. So storage isn't the issue.

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fragock1887d ago

that headline is an Early April fools joke

CaptainCook1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

No, PlayStation Now is currently limited to 720p, while it still needs a high Download Speed.

Vasto1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

Not only is it 720p but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3, bad image quality and horrible input lag. Thats why nobody uses it.

What Google showed is already better than PS Now. Microsoft's will be even better.

IRetrouk1887d ago

Sony has the only one working, Google's had what? One test? Micro is gonna be better? How? It used a fake forza vid to promote what they are trying to sell, and after the way ms pr has been, who's actually believing what they are saying?? Crazy xbox fans man😂😂

bluefox7551887d ago

Sure, but those PS3 games are by and large better than anything being offered by Google or MS. Even if you just compare the streaming services and ignore the rest of the console, Sony has a far superior software library.

Vasto1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

Oh, and I forgot PS Now is $19.99 a month!

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IRetrouk1887d ago

I know, good value for what they offer isn't it, while I dont subscribe myself my wife's does, she absolutely loves playing all those older games she missed out on, for the record I dont like streaming, i play mostly racing and fighting games with RPGs thrown in for good measure, the input lag is too noticable with those types of games.

Razzer1887d ago

"but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3"

Vasto suddenly doesn't see the value in "old games". LOL

ShadowWolf7121887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

Nobody uses the service that's responsible for 52% of game streaming revenue?

Jin_Sakai1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

@Vasto

“Not only is it 720p but it has a lot of old games that are mostly PS3, bad image quality and horrible input lag. Thats why nobody uses it.”

“What Google showed is already better than PS Now. Microsoft's will be even better.“

No one will solve the latency problem. There’s also video compression and macroblocking. Streaming will always perform worse than a local experience.

In the end PlayStation fans will continue to enjoy the best exclusives in the industry on a physical console while also having PS Now as an option.

Ju1887d ago

I still want to see proof that those games are 720p. And even if they were, I can't see it...everytime I hear this I go back and check. Maybe I need my eyes checked then. What did google show, what PSNow can't do? Switching from one device to the next? Sony had clients for all kind of devices and scrapped those - who knows maybe it'll be back. All they showed were words and some 30fps 1080p game. What else? Nothing really worked at that show. All talk. And all MS is trying to do has been tried before. Well, but hey, sure, Kinect is not eyetoy, either. Now they want to force console developers to add extra effort into their games to makes sure those games work on mobile devices. LOL. That has been done before and failed miserably. There is a reason there is a console market - one target spec. Not 100.000 screen sizes and controller schemes. I mean, if that would be so easy, we would have seen ton of games on mobile platforms already. That's just stupid to believe now that MS is promising the world, all of a sudden this will work. And, frankly, google rookie has no idea. We've already been there. Philly boy must have forgotten that.

NarutoFox1887d ago (Edited 1887d ago )

Vasto

At least they got a bigger library of games 😁 .

Microsoft will be better? Here we go again. I've heard this before lmao

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Razzer1887d ago

PlayStation is more than just PlayStation Now.

ginsunuva1885d ago

Most PS3 games output at 720p anyway so that's why

italiangamer1887d ago

Is Google ready to compete against Sony's Playstation?

How naive (or dumb) can people be thinking Sony isn't doing nothing to improve PS Now and the whole PlayStation ecosystem?

anonymousfan1887d ago

Yup spot on. I am personally not ready for streaming myself but I suspect tomorrow's "state of play" presentation might have to do with those improvements. Especially with the timing... Stradia, xcloud being on everyone's headline.

Cueil1887d ago

It's not that Sony can not compete its that MS and Google have a massive advantage that Sony simply can not make up for. It's the reason NVIDIAs service needs to partner up with others to compete.

Cueil1887d ago

Sony doesn't have massive infrastructure they own all over the planet.

wolokowoh1887d ago

Actually Sony has a digital distribution network all over the planet just like Microsoft does and Google does. If your point is that Sony's isn't as big, that's perfectly fair, but Sony does already have infrastructure in place and the capital to expand that infrastructure, especially through contracts with other could based companies. Considering Stadia has some requirements that will be a barrier to entry, Sony will be fine making its dollars off the niche, while they are getting ready and cloud is still catching on. They have time before they even have to compete

Ju1887d ago

Another multi billion $ company already tried...and didn't work. Next!

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this is Intels first try at the format

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"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai13h ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19724h ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

-Foxtrot3h ago

@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19724h ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel21h ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz2h ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay2h ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

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