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Sony's Shawn Layden wants fewer, bigger PlayStation games

Video game makers are struggling to adapt to the internet era. With the PS5 on the horizon, Sony's video game boss has a plan.

-Foxtrot1913d ago

"I don't want to get into me-too, it seems like I think the world's got all the battle royale it needs right now"

Thank the Lord

Kingthrash3601913d ago

What's crazy is the title is all wrong and misleading.
He never said he wants fewer games, just that he is willing to delay them for quality sake.

UltraNova1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

The answer he gave on why Sony not being on the E3 stage is very convincing. This is Sony progressing to the current and even adapting to future times. E3 is indeed a face to face trading relic in today's terms. It should become a fan celebratory event only like Comicon, while "big" news can be delivered at any time the publisher wants to via the Internet or their own events like PSX or PS Destination. I can see their reasoning now for omitting their E3 keynote even If I'd love to see them on stage stick "beating" the hell out of MS one more time.

Potnoodle9991913d ago

It really is! Thank god for Sony and Nintendo. I would be devastated if one of the two left gaming. More so if Sony left as I absolutely love their sp offerings lately. The best stories in gaming.
If both ever left I would probably stop altogether!

trouble_bubble1913d ago

@ultranova
The Comic-Con analogy is spot on. Marvel’s MCU pretty much sat out last year’s. Doesn’t mean they’re in trouble. They just had nothing to show. Fast forward to 2019 and they’re poised to have another love fest. Providing Brie Larson gets her social media white man hate-on out of her system.

UltraNova1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

@trouble

"Providing Brie Larson gets her social media white man hate-on out of her system."

Nope she will not. She's every white-man hating feminist's wet dream come true - complete with no facial smile producing muscles, cause you know smiling is a sign of weakness and submission.

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darthv721913d ago

Funny thing is I'm betting Sony is working on bringing back MAG to capitalize on this BR trend. They just arent going to say anything until they are ready.

-Foxtrot1913d ago

I suppose it depends on how it goes with their philosophy

"And we have simplified it to "first, best or must."

If your title is going to be "first" and creating a genre, or "first" and creating a new game activity, let's look at that. If you're going to make an action adventure game, It better be "best" in class. And we have the third category called "must," which is we must support the platform, we must be present when new technology comes out"

First would be making a Battle Royal gane which is so different it's evolved the genre enough or Best where it's going to be better then the most popular one like Fornite.

I don't think any is realistic at this stage, there's no point going against the big boys when what you are doing now works so well.

Dirtnapstor1913d ago

MAG was a great innovative game for its time. They need to bring it back.

ArchangelMike1913d ago

Do you have anything at all to base that on beside your tummy rumbling? Or did you just pull that straight out of thin air?

SuperSonic911913d ago

NO.
Under Layden you have very different games like God of War, Horizon ZD, Spiderman, Dreams, Days Gone, Until Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, etc.

He really cranked up the creative department of SIE.

darthv721913d ago

@above... call it hopefully optimistic that they would bring it back. MAG was awesome and it certainly set the stage for what we have now with huge player count BR games now. It just makes perfect sense to bring back. MAG doesnt get enough credit for doing what it did. Especially today, it's like most forgot all about it.

Michiel19891913d ago

I see them doing a syphon filter BR before mag, then at least they have a more well known IP behind it.
I just hope they dont, or if they make it a BR they do it like playstation all-stars. Lot of the ps cast there, with their own abilities etc

BehindTheRows1913d ago

Based on nothing but the same SonyToo™ stuff that many of you preached when Sony flat out denied ever planning to do the same things Microsoft did during their Xbox One reveal.

OT: As other, more sensible, people have said, thank the Lord! Not that I want to see Fortnite die, per se, I just don't want every shooter to become Fortnite. So, I'm with Layden on this idea.

Rude-ro1913d ago

Mag is not a br game.
And please!!! Bring it back.
It is more like a larger battlefield than it is a br game though.

Omegasyde1913d ago

They helped innovate what BR is today with being one of the first developers/publishers of MMO Shooters.

Seems like everyone forgot that Planetside 1 had like 150 ish vs 150 vs 150. PS2 had even more per side.

Shame about the SoE being sold off.

GrubsterBeater1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Why is everybody comparing any game with multiplayer and a high player count “a battle royale game, like Fortnite”?

It reminds of these videos of kids who see something and go “hey, it’s Fortnite!!” when they see an old dance or character or whatever it is that Fortnite has in the game.

It’s like these new “gamers” who play Fortnite, call themselves gamers. Fortnite is trash, and I’m so sick of Battle Royale, and I am so thankful Shawn said this regarding BR games.

This is why PlayStation is king. They care about quality games and the gamers that want games that aren’t some cash-grab, Fortnite-esque garbage.

Fortnite is gay.

r2oB1913d ago

@ Darth

MAG is not a battle royale game. I don't even know how you are making the correlation. MAG did not set the stage for battle royale games, it was a completely different type of game. Either you never played MAG or you completely forgot what the game was. You think a huge player count means battle royale? I guess Battlefield is a battle royale game too?

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Jin_Sakai1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

“Layden said he's more willing to delay games to ensure they meet an ever higher quality bar.”

It looks like it paid off with Days Gone. The game looks much better now.

"As the exclusive developer for PlayStation, we always have to set the high-water mark, to push the technology further than anyone else," he said.“

He’s right. PS4 exclusives are some of the best games in the industry. Just wait until The Last of Us: Part 2 releases. The bar will be raised yet again.

“He also hinted that Sony's ready to buy up other game makers as it looks to expand the types of games it makes”

Great to hear. Can’t wait to see who they add to their already amazing worldwide studios!

ArchangelMike1913d ago

If you ask me they should have bought Quantic Dream and SuperMassive Games.

Sevir1913d ago

I think negotiations with quantic fizzled, that's why Quantic announced they're going multiplatform with NetEase so they can stay in business and be independent. :( Which is a shame because Quantic is just the developer you need under your belt with their mantra of high quality narrative driven PS exclusives

ArchangelMike1913d ago

Amen brother! It's good to also hear that streaming is not high on the Playstation agenda, so we can breath a sigh of relief that next gen won't be primarily cloud based.

Obscure_Observer1913d ago

@ArchangelMike

No other but the delusional fools believes that streaming is the future of gaming. I´m glad that both Sony and Microsoft will stick with console gaming for the forseeable future.

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KyRo1913d ago

There's like 4 popular BR games and a lot of failed ones on PC. In comparison to the amount of FPS, RPGs and sports games, 4 is very few. The fact apex launched last week and added a heap on new ideas to the formula shows that there's still a lot of ideas to come from a genre that's relatively young.

DaGR8JIBRALTAR1912d ago

Whatever Shawn & Co. wants to do over at Sony I'm with it...they haven't let is down yet.

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crazyCoconuts1913d ago

Sony and Nintendo interviews a bit of a rarity compared to MS it seems. Good info in here. Can't say I like the message around not having bombshells to drop - regardless of whether it's good for business or not, I like surprises...

Nyxus1913d ago

He was talking specifically about E3, that doesn't mean there won't be any bombshell announcements in the future.

ArchangelMike1913d ago

It's such a refreshingly different tone to Microsoft, who are all about jumping on the latest bandwagon. Sony are content and happy to say that's not their jam, they'll do their own thing. They're not jumping on the BR bandwagon, not jumping on the cloud and streaming bandwagon just yet, but are going to double down on brilliant exclusives - although I have to say I don't know how I feel about fewer games. The wait for TLOU2 and Death Stranding is excruciating.

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Obscure_Observer1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

@Nyxus

"He was talking specifically about E3, that doesn't mean there won't be any bombshell announcements in the future."

He pretty much confirmed that Sony won´t host an event as an E3 replacement this year because they have nothing of substance to announce this year. Since fewer games with more quality is their new moto, he doesn´t want to set expectations high among Playstation gamers just to disappoint next.

When i said Sony played all their AAA PS4 cards too soon back at 2017, some people got mad and led their emotions overshadows basic logic and common sense. And here we are.

I praise Layden for his honesty and transparency. I wish him the best as he´s now president of Sony´s worldwide studios.

S2Killinit1913d ago

Yep. I really like how they have a much more human approach. None of that scripted title fodder pr ammo.

BizarroUltraman1913d ago

@archangel,

You're one big mofo hypocrite!! Go play your damn Sony games and leave this comment section to less sensitive gamers. Sony is pushing cloud too, they'll find a way to get a BR game and basically copy anything good in the industry. Making it like Sony is a innovator when they just steal ideas from the other two game giants rewrap it and put ps in it and you go buy it like they made it foh

THC CELL1913d ago

Ms need sales and they will say anything even hype a publisher they gained

ShadowWolf7121913d ago

@Mike

According to Layden, their recent output has also been fewer games but higher quality. And technically, in terms of First Party, it's true. The number of titles has been fewer, but each one has been a GOTY contender.

Razzer1913d ago

@obscure

No idea where you pulled any of that stuff from, but it wasn't from Layden.

DVAcme1913d ago

Indeed, I expect PSX this year to have more bombshells than the DMZ. I still think that skipping E3 to directly control the narrative of the PS5 launch and have more time to release a dope show was the right move. Plus, last year's kinda anemic E3 showing is probably because they ARE saving up the big announcements for upcoming PS4 games to have awesome stuff to show for it along with the PS5 announcement. And if Sony ARE considering buying more studios, that's a big announcement. Microsoft may be buying up studios left and right, but Sony already has a long-running reputation for buying studios and doing GREAT things woth them. It's why their 1st- and 2nd-party content is second to none.

Ceaser98573611913d ago

Obscure

"Since fewer games with more quality is their new moto,"

He didnt say that, he said he is willing to delay them for quality sake.

"When i said Sony played all their AAA PS4 cards too soon back at 2017, some people got mad and led their emotions overshadows basic logic and common sense. And here we are."

Again you are wrong and don't know what you speak... PS4 still has games which didnt release and that are LOU2, GOT, DREAMS, DAYS GONE, DS.. So i don;t know what you talking about. Sony has done everything proper Hence they are way ahead of Xbox ...

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-Foxtrot1913d ago

Sony and Nintendo only really talk a lot when they've got a new game/console coming out, usually when it's announced or near launch. The other times would be at an event like E3 or Gamescom.

I think for them it's mostly "let your product do the talking"

gangsta_red1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

"Sony and Nintendo interviews a bit of a rarity compared to MS it seems"

I think it's mainly because both Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies. MS being more of a western company, it's probably easier for journalists to get interviews with the heads of Xbox and publish them for western sites.

I'm surprised no one is talking about how Shawn wants fewer Sony games.

The Wood1913d ago

Fewer weaker games hopefully. Do high quality as much as possible and drop any titles that could be deemed mediocre or trash.

AngelicIceDiamond1913d ago

Yeah Im also curious about Sony's stance on fewer big exclusives.

BehindTheRows1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Because that isn't exactly what he said:

"And with our decision to do fewer games -- bigger games -- over longer periods of time, we got to a point where June of 2019 was not a time for us to have a new thing to say. And we feel like if we ring the bell and people show up here in force, people have expectation "Oh, they're going to tell us something."

He'd rather not give us a false sense of hope when he knows games are either far off or not ready in their current state. Quite a few games this gen would have benefitted from this train of thought. ;p

gangsta_red1913d ago

Sony has already released fewer games this gen, how many fewer than what we have already gotten for the next gen?

I would think you would want Sony to make more high profile games or just more games in general.

More doesn't mean they have to be mediocre or trash, especially if they're coming from different studios or different teams of the same studios under Sony.

BehindTheRows1913d ago

Sony is the last company I'm worried about either releasing big/small games or ANY at all. ^_^

Nyxus1913d ago

@ gangsta: this is what he said:

"I think we've done a lot over the last three or four years to get us to a place right now where we're building fewer games per year than ever before, but we're spending more time, more energy, certainly more money, on making them."

So rather than pushing out games quickly, he wants to focus on delivering the best quality. That is a good thing in my book.

The Wood1913d ago

Has your curiosity been quelled guys. .

Sometimes interpretation can spawn many different results . If you think logically. . Why would Sony cull a winning formula. That's suicidal. Concentrate on quality over quantity but still have enough. It's working

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mkis0071913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

You people are crazy good at cherry picking...he said they are doing fewer but bigger games...not just fewer games. See 2018 for examples...

No where did he say fewer big games...

S2Killinit1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

@gangsta
Thats so weired you say that. He speaks perfect english... realistically, it has more to do with the fact that Sony and Nintendo seem to be more focused on making games than making PR.

gangsta_red1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

@Nyxus

I read that but I don't agree that spending more money, spending more time and releasing fewer games is the answer. And quickly in relation to what exactly?

Additionally there's no guarantee that those games will be critical hits. Spending more money means that those games will have to recoup even more and that means Sony may have to take less chances to reach that. And if those games don't hit a certain milestone, that could lead to layoffs or possibly studio closures.

I think there should be a better way in the development process that doesn't require spending even more money, especially when triple A games are already in the millions to begin with. Also more time and more energy isn't really an efficient way especially if it means less games.

@Mkis007
"he said they are doing fewer but bigger games"

"No where did he say fewer big games..."

Lmao! That is hilarious!

@Wood
"Sometimes interpretation can spawn many different results"

Especially when you only read what you want to see.

@S2Killinit
"Sony, MS and Nintendo seem to be more focused on making games than making PR."

You forgot to mention Microsoft too. Don't worry, I added it for you.

S2Killinit1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Aarrghh he said we “are” releasing fewer, but bigger. They are, as in, already.

Basically, he is saying that they arent doing shovelware games. If they make a game, it has to be quality.

gangsta_red1913d ago

@S2killinit
"Aarrghh he said we “are” releasing fewer, but bigger. They are, as in, already."

Blaaarrrgh, and it's only going to get longer and fewer with rising costs, newer tech that require bigger budgets, and bigger teams glaaargh!

You would think Shawn would want to find a way for Sony to make more games seeing as how the few they already have are successful so far.

trooper_1913d ago

Why don’t you read the whole article instead of insinuating nonsense?

ILostMyMind1913d ago

Sony says less because it doesn't have to lie to its consumers as much as Microsoft does. If it were not for the, almost daily, promises of Phil Spencer on twitter, the Xbox would have already failed like the WiiU.

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S2Killinit1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

@gangsta
Daarggh Does that mean Xbox will have negative number of games then? I mean they already have so very few...

L7Chapel
Its because MS’s representatives show up to troll, thats why. Otherwise no one would be talking about that console here.

Ceaser98573611913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

gangsta

"I'm surprised no one is talking about how Shawn wants fewer Sony games."
Another Misinformed Xbox fan

He said he is willing to delay them for quality sake. Do you know how to READ or you simply get controlled by some misleading heading...

Shawn also hinted that Sony's ready to buy up other game makers as it looks to expand the types of games it makes.

Did you read this?? If yes then you claiming Shawn wants fewer sony games rules out...

NarutoFox1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

"I'm surprised no one is talking about how Shawn wants fewer Sony games."

Probably scared of Xbox’s lineup of Sea of Thieves 2, Forza 27, Halo 12 and Gears 33. J/K

IamTylerDurden11913d ago

He basically said that they are spending more time, money, and effort on each game hence why they achieve such critical and commercial success. Obviously it equates to less total games, but the games that release are generally bigger and higher quality. That was the message, putting more into each game rather than simply releasing more games, and he said that IS CURRENTLY HOW THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING and i'd say it's working.

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kalkano1913d ago

Seems like this pretty much rules out any kind of return for Arc the Lad/Wild Arms/Legend of Dragoon (no, mobile BS doesn't count).

Soap_Z1913d ago

What? The only thing I make sure is that if they return they will be AAA games with great efforts rather than mediocre low budget game

This is very good

kalkano1913d ago

That means they won't return. There's no way in hell they'll bring those games back as AAA. Or, if they do, they're guaranteed to be Action-RPGs, which eliminates the entire point of bringing them back in the first place.

gangsta_red1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

Well Sony's studios have all but abandon RPG games and from the sound of what Shawn is saying they'll definitely be focusing (or wants) on fewer games but will be big triple A titles. And more than likely they'll be western focused types games so any hopes of Legend of Dragoon, Wild Arms or Arc the Lad is not likely.

But, you never know, Sony could lend out those IP's to other developers to make a game.

trouble_bubble1913d ago

Probably because they’ve had other exclusive RPGs fill the void. Horizon Zero Dawn absolutely has RPG all up in its DNA. Arc and Arms never drew half that audience.

Throw in third party partners still working on action RPGs like Nioh 2. Ni No Kuni 2, Persona 5, Yakuza and DQ11 aren’t on any other consoles atm. Bloodborne was huge.

Shooters on the other hand. Console exclusive RPGs they have in spades. The lack of a new Resistance while Knack gets a sequel, is troubling. For Killzone Shadowfall’s flack, it still sold as good as the others. MP was solid.

S2Killinit1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

What genres have Xbox’s studios “all but abandonned”? i think it be easier to name the ones they havent abandoned. Lol

gangsta_red1913d ago

@S2killinit
"What genres have Xbox’s studios “all but abandonned”? "

I keep forgetting that we have to keep Xbox and MS in on the lips even when there are articles not related to them. This way the kids on this site don't feel too threatened when talking about their pieces of plastic.

ShadowWolf7121913d ago

I love how you keep persistently trying to misrepresent what he said.

He's said that's already BEEN their policy. Not that he wants even less.

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Omegasyde1913d ago

they could license it off like Nintendo did.

rainslacker1913d ago

Japan Studio isn't what it used to be, and now make more of the mid-tier titles, or provide support for the 2nd party games that Sony contracts out, or ends up producing. I think that works better for them for some reason, but it is a bit disappointing that they have no in house plans to speak of.

There is hope that they can contract out those IP's, but I think that mobile is maybe more attractive for those games given the market base in Japan. There is some hope that maybe mobile may not take as much priority though, as the mobile bubble is going through a bit of a bust right now, and while there is money to be made, the market isn't pure gold like some publishers felt it could be.

@Gangsta

So, is this going to be your console war fan boy BS argument for the next two years trying to bring down Sony. Are you going to spend the next year or two constantly saying how Layden says they're going to make less games? Have you and Obscure conferred over how to properly handle this narrative going forward, or are you two just going to wing it and eventually come to a monotonous accord on how to bring it up at every oppurtunity...which I assume is going to be when people say that MS has no games, which makes me wonder why you care, because you haven't had a problem with MS output this gen, so how few, is too few for you?

Just curious, because I wonder if I should say how you are misrepresenting what was said now, or wait for one of the other thousands of time you're going to misquote him in the future. My time is short tonight, and seems like lots of stuff to read today.

Ceaser98573611913d ago

Gangsta is hilarious. I always laugh when he comments in here because most of the time he speaks from his ass . I dont know how hard its for him to actually go and click on the article and READ ffs .. But then internet has people like him and at best we can ignore him ...

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Nyxus1913d ago

I like the sound of this, a focus on quality and he also reaffirms that streaming won't replace the traditional console anytime soon.

ArchangelMike1913d ago (Edited 1913d ago )

My thoughts exactly. I'm glad the next console generation will still be more traditional - at least from Sony's side of the market. No talk of teh cloud or streaming across multiple mobile and tablet platforms here. Just good ol' fashioned console+couch+tv gaming experiences. :)

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Nyxus1913d ago

@ L7CHAPEL:

"[...] if you're PlayStation and you're available in 168 countries around the world, streaming will be a thing which will have interest to certain people in certain places.

But still, for the vast majority of the gaming community, our 94 million PlayStation 4s out there, I think there's much life left in a local console."

"I don't know what the timeline is. If the PlayStation continues to grow at this rate, we can leave no gamer behind. But streaming is something that PlayStation is active in and we want to make sure we keep current in that technology."

Of course they're going to continue their streaming format (PlayStation Now has existed for years), but he also reaffirms their commitment to local consoles.

S2Killinit1913d ago

Its so good to hear them say that.

rainslacker1913d ago

Streaming was this gens mobile. Just something that the media could use to spell doom, so they could get their clicks.

Anyone who actually thought that streaming would replace the traditional model was delusional at best.

SuperSonic911913d ago

It still amazes me that all these white white shirts at Sony adopted Japanese as their second native language like they really understood Japanese culture.
They are really worthy of success in Japan and the west as their understanding of the wide video games spectrum reflects the quality of the games being developed on PS4.
They lead the industry with a great vision light years ahead of MS and N.

uth111913d ago

Well Sony is a Japanese company after all, knowing Japanese is no doubt helpful to your career there

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Next Battlefield Game Already Playable and Being Built by “Largest BF Team in History"

EA says the next Battlefield game is being built by the "largest Battlefield team in history," and confirms the game is in a playable state.

Kaii1d 4h ago

“I’ve just spent a whole bunch of time with the collective Battlefield team, playing what they’re building and it is going to be another tremendous live service.”
It's just what gamers want, more live service garbage.

XiNatsuDragnel1d 2h ago

Ik more live service is what I want /s.

_SilverHawk_1d 1h ago

I'd like a lot more live service game / hi 5

RaidenBlack22h ago

What Henderson has leaked so far is that ... even though the dev size's large, they are playing safe this time,
so I am guessing big budgeted BF3 2.0 ... fingers crossed

Yi-Long6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

We don't need thousands of workers wasting their time and effort, for many years, on a live-service project nobody asked for.

Just take a dedicated small team and create a cool Battlefield GAME. Not a service, but a game. As in 10-12 Conquest maps, 4 classes, cool gameplay, done. That's it.

That doesn't need 3-4 years of development. That doesn't need thousands of employees. Just go back to basics; Release a cool game, let gamers buy and enjoy that game, and 1-2 years later you release a sequel. No 'service', no subsciption, no DLC, no seasons. Just a game. On its own. Done. 50 bucks.

Inverno4h ago

Oh boy I can't wait to see how they screw this one up.

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Phil Spencer trends on Twitter amid calls for him to resign

Phil Spencer and Microsoft have come under fire following the closure of multiple Bethesda-owned studios including Tango Gameworks.

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gold_drake14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

wow haha.

i dont think he will resign. or will be kicked off.

if hes still here after everything in the past, this wont affect him unfortunately.

RhinoGamer8812h ago

He and his cronies have a sweet deal. Even if they are fired, stock options and parachutes will mean they never need to work again. Cronyism at its worst.

neutralgamer199211h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think his days are numbered TBH. Spending 80 million of all acquisitions yet can’t even compete with others it’s insane

This also proves gamepass isn’t as profitable as Xbox fanboys make it out to be

RaidenBlack10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

That huge Acti-Blizz acquisition wasn't worth it ... They should've stopped at Zenimax and instead focused "rescuing" individual studios like Crystal Dynamics, Eidos Montreal, Crytek, Volition or Gearbox etc (much better than trying to devour the whole of one of the largest gaming publisher)
IMHO, with no $70 Billion deficit, these studio closures would not have happened ...

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Xbox Has No Idea What They're Doing, and I'm Not Sure They Ever Did

Nirav from GL writes: "If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?"

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Christopher16h ago

***If the makers of a GOTY competitor that outdid sales and Game Pass expectations and owned by the richest company in the world cannot stay open - what hope is there for everyone else?***

None if you stay in an arena of corporate driven metrics. And this is what happens when you allow publishers to buy up massive amounts of studios and IPs. There's only so much internal competition and the focus in the end will remain on those who look best on a spreadsheet.

Players can be so driven by what is best for them and only see what is put right in front of them. But that's not what is best for them. They are being lied to constantly, as seen by Microsoft's ridiculous praise for Hi-Fi Rush and Phil's lies about Redfall prior to release and how big of a supporter of both studios he has been. But, instead of thinking "wait, this corporation wants me to think this way, should I be listening to them and believing them?" players eat it up and go "OMG, did you hear what they said! They're just like us and they know what's best for the industry."

And because of this single-mindedness of the majority of gamers, we are where we are now. Massive layoffs. Massive studio closures. Games that we were told were representative of the core values of said corporations shelved and studios behind them shuttered. The truth is coming to bear because the truth all along was only what the numbers in an excel spreadsheet told the corporate suits.

If you truly want what is best for the industry, what is best for developers, then you need to support Indie games, support developers that maintain control over their IPs and direction, support boutique publishers who only exist to help Indies make it out the door and don't own the IP. Stop supporting major corporations with your money or you devotion. Stop playing their games, and I don't mean video games, but their marketing, their double speak, their guy without a tie who says things you want to hear PR, their future of video gaming concepts as if we were hurting for new ways to play games other than installing/downloading and playing them, and especially any slogan from them that gives the impression that they are for you, the consumer. They are not. You're merely a value on a spreadsheet.

Christopher15h ago

Sure, I'm the one drinking the koolaid. Keep believing in the corporations. They definitely have your best interests in mind. All hail the Big Green, For You Blue, and Nostalgia Red! All praise big corporations buying up other publishers. All praise the inevitable spreadsheet adjustments. For greed, not the players.

Crows908h ago

I'd like to but I think you drank it all...

anast13h ago

"then you need to support Indie games"

Get punk rock with it.

rlow110h ago

I don’t always agree with you. But you are correct and well said. It amazes me on what used to be a pretty straightforward industry has turned into such a greedy mess. Layoffs galore across the industry and corporates pushing/firing whatever is going to move the bean counters. With no regard for the people making the games. I’m tired of hearing these rich companies saying it’s just business, or an adjustment needed to be made, but it’s not personal. Then on top of it they have to inject corporate inclusivity into every game. On top of releasing broken games and expect people to pay top dollar.

But again well said and we as the consumer need to not only speak up but vote with our wallets.

Aussiesummer3h ago

Anything that makes millions is going to become a miasma of greed and corruption.

Tody_ZA14h ago

This should not be surprising to any of you. We have been saying for MONTHS that Game Pass is not sustainable and that these acquisitions will come at a massive cost to the industry. People refused to grasp the difference between buying and investing in a developer like Insomniac or Housemarque, and buying the entire publisher. People refused to accept that spending billions to acquire the biggest publishers in gaming means you have to RECOUP those costs, and you aren't going to do it without consolidation, focusing on core IP that sells, creating revenue streams via ownership and releasing on other platforms, and closing down studios that are superfluous to the budget requirements. You will not recoup those costs by investing in risky new IP or creative new games and studios.

No, people cheered Microsoft on like they were delivering GOTY titles to their door and pouring money into the industry to grow Indies and triple A projects.

You are getting what you deserve. You take the consequences of the practices you supported.

Layoffs happen. Some games don't succeed. Everyone has seen it happen. Happens even to the winners.

This, however, is goddamn shambolic and if you can't see it now then there's no helping you and you should keep enjoying the "value" of Game Pass while contributing nothing to this industry.

I've never seen the developer of one of the best games of the year get axed before.

Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2, I can see them going independent again. There's more to come from MS.

TiredGamer13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

This is exactly it. There is more of this coming. MS runs from one bad idea to the next, and GamePass is an unsustainable train wreck that we get to watch in real time.

GamePass is stalled for subscriber growth, and all that they can hope for is to either A) Reduce the quantity of games (i.e. shutter game studios), B) Reduce the quality of games (to make more mediocre but lower budget offerings), or C) Raise prices on existing customers. Or some combination of those.

MS does not have a passion for the industry. The XBox project, from the beginning, was sparked from the fear that someone else would eat their PC market lunch by making a games machine that replaced the PC. THAT was the entire motivation for getting into the games industry.

Profchaos12h ago

I saw it from the outset of day 1 on Xbox it's unsustainable no one was buying their games and a noticeable decline in quality and a push to live service elements to keep subscriptions active was obvious.

I saw it every time I'd go to a physical game shop for a Multi plat pre order no one was there for the Xbox version.

I'd go to CeX or other used game stores and be able to pick up the full range of Xbox studios first party games for 20 bucks and change while on the PlayStation side 20 bucks might get me two PS4 launch games and wouldn't even get me a single Nintendo first party game.

-Foxtrot12h ago

"Ninja Theory is next after Hellblade 2"

Anyone think it's weird it comes out in 2 weeks and there's hardly anything on it

Tody_ZA4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Actually Foxtrot, I don't find it weird. When last has Microsoft thrown advertising weight behind one of their releases? Long gone are the days where their games had the sheer presence of Halo 3 or Gears of War 2. It's all been replaced with "play it day one on Games Pass."

Why spend millions on marketing a product when you aren't SELLING it? The Xbox faithful aren't going to buy it, they're just going to see it on the splash page of Game Pass.

MrBeatdown13h ago

But hey, at least we get Call of Duty free on game pass*

*eventually?

anast13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

They know what they are doing. If 'you' treat them like "good 'ol simple minded folk", then 'you' are relieving them from blame via ignorance. They knew that they were going all live service, streaming and mobile a long time ago, The Oracle tends to see the obvious. While companies patronize gamers like they are children, which most of them are, may be confused for stupidity, they are also not so stupid they don't understand the decisions that they are making toward the overall direction of their company.

*None of their games were even close to competing for GOTY. They paid for names to be mentioned.

Profchaos12h ago

Xbox survived it's first gen by pure luck halo became a hit and it was huge followed up by halo 2 which had one of the biggest marketing campaigns I can remember seeing in the early 00s we had guys in master chief outfits on the sidelines of state of origin as a promo it blew my mind.

Then the 360 fell under the excellent leadership of Peter Moore and outpaced the PS3 for the first three quarters of that generation the only time anyone has ever done that.

Since losing Peter Moore it's been a rapid decline and buying up the industry stank of a desperate move along with the idea of gamepass itself stank of desperation to me no one was buying the X1 they needed something to get people interested and here we are.

I would happily lose gamepass if Xbox could go back to the 360 era style of focused heavy hitters and solid games.

The championing of consolidation they did was disgusting and what's happened as a result is proof they never had gamers or the industry at heart they need their ROI and that's all they cared about big daddy ms has signed a number of blank checks getting them here and it's coming to collect on their debts

zaanan5h ago

Well, MS bought Bungie to get Halo (and shut down the Mac version), which is a big reason they were as successful as they were. And the PS3 actually outpaced the 360, which is why it eventually outsold it despite releasing more than a year later. So really, not much has changed if you think about it.

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