Red Dead Redemption 2 requires a specific mindset to fully appreciate

Glitched Africa writes: "Red Dead Redemption 2 requires a specific mindset from gamers to really get the most out of Rockstar's amazing open-world experience."

[mad-dog]

Just take your time and enjoy. Not sure how the young quick fix phone-gazing crowd will manage but i think the game is a breath of fresh air in pace. There is a lot to do but it all takes time. The landscape is breathtaking and filled to the brim with awesome details though. Not a game you want to play when you're in a hurry or when you feel hasty.

[chiefJohn117]

Fax, I haven't played all week cause of work and only 2 hours of gaming isn't enough for red dead. But the weekend is here and I'm back at it!

[King_Noctis]

I’m in the same boat as you. Work has gotten in the way of play. But I’m glad weekend is coming and I can play RDR2 and Yakuza Kiwami 2 back to back.

[Tapani]

This game needs the Shenmue kind of mindset. Many things are similar to it.

[Yi-Long]

Yep, this is a game that deserves a proper sit-down in order to enjoy and appreciate it for what it is. Bought it day 1, but only been able/willing to boot it up twice, when I knew I had 1-2 hours to spend on it...

Struggling a bit with the controls at times, which feel a bit outdated or counter-intuitive, but other than that it's impressive...

[Flewid638]

You'll adjust. I thought the same way, but then the more I played the more I realized the controls & slower speed saved me more than they killed me.

[mogwaii]

Man those controls. There is hope with updates though, like how cdpr did an alt control option with tw3.

[moomoo319]

For aiming, boomstick gaming and reddit got some nice control setups. In general you just got to play more to grasp the controls it really is a lot

[3-4-5]

Yea I'm about to sink in a ton of hours this weekend. I'm still not that far but I love that it takes a while. It's a nice relaxing journey.

[HeyNowChillax]

I'm thinking red dead in winter for me. I'll likely start during the first major snowstorm with logs in the fire, little bourbon on the rocks and time to appreciate it.

[Christopher]

***Just take your time and enjoy. Not sure how the young quick fix phone-gazing crowd will manage but i think the game is a breath of fresh air in pace.***

Four weeks ago: "Ugh, this game is just too long and Ubisoft forces us to do too much. It's made for kids who have all the time in the world."

Now: "The kids just can't handle the slow pace and long playtime of a game like this."

[mad-dog]

Huh, did i say that? Anyway, some people can't handle slow paced stuff anymore. Not in movies, music or games.

[Christopher]

There's a difference between slow paced and poorly paced. You can't just say "it's slow paced" as to say that's perfectly fine to say it's properly paced.

As someone who has played the last two games, this one is way slower in many regards, and feels clumsier in others, when the last ten years other games have improved so that you can maintain story pacing but not force players into wasting time with things that shouldn't be wasting their time with.

It kills it with the atmosphere, but there's definitely room for improvement, and I think most complaints are where people want that to happen.

[michaelknight35]

Thats dumb thing to say but im not surprised what kids say nomore

[michaelknight35]

Yup im not in a rush to beat the game ima take my time

[TheSaint]

The only issue I have with the slower pace is the in-game days are too short!

[sammarshall102]

If you can appreciate attention to detail and an added level of realism you'll love Red Dead Redemption 2 it's a great game it's also beautiful

[PhantomS42]

Appreciating the attention to detail has nothing to do with the extremely slow pacing. The first game had perfectly fine pacing and allowed the player to enjoy the world. There is no excuse for terrible pacing in any medium.

[sammarshall102]

I haven't experienced terrible pacing during my time with the game so far and the open world is possibly the best I've ever played

I went from hunting a bear to watching a show to taking 3 ladies out on a stroll in one session

[Skankinruby]

Pacing shmacing, absolutely the stupidest basis for criticism of a game I've ever heard.

[King_Noctis]

Which is why articles like this exist. If people find the pacing of this game slow, then Fortnite and COD are their other options.

[mad-dog]

It's not bad at all and i see not real difference with RDR1. Hyperbolic bullshit sir. The start is slow paced but that makes sense. The rest is mostly up to yourself.
Controls could be a bit better though.

[ninsigma]

@skank
Pacing is actually a very legitimate criticism for a game. If it's off then it can throw a lot of enjoyment out of the window. So far for me rdr2 only had pacing issues at the start which was drawn out and not particularly interesting. Once you get out of the mountains though, it's been great fun!

@king
Yeah cuz if people don't like rdr2 they MUST like TRASH SUCH AS cod or fortnite /S 🙄

[nyu1]

"Appreciating the attention to detail has nothing to do with the extremely slow pacing."

It has a lot to do with slow pacing. Detail often means the game has to spend more time actually showing you those things, for example animating things that would be a quick menu press in some other game. Besides, it isn't just detail, it's making the player feel like they're in the game world. That means making it more believable, sometimes at the cost of fast gameplay convenience.

"There is no excuse for terrible pacing in any medium."

It's terrible according to you. Slow pacing does not equal terrible pacing. Plenty of people love slow pacing and a focus on 'immersion'. It's the same reason many prefer BF over COD, and many prefer Squad, Insurgency or ARMA over those two titles.
It's the same reason many people really like Kingdom Come Deliverance. It's a greater time investment, and it can definitely lead to more frustration (especially when there are bugs) but there is a payoff. A successful operation in ARMA will be so much more satisfying than the equivalent in COD or BF. A day out in the woods in KCD can actually feel like an adventure, while the equivalent in another game might feel like nothing special.

[wwinterj]

I'm sure that's nostalgia talking as "the first game" was the same as this is pacing. Hell I'd even say this game has more action due to having more options. I also recall spending a lot of time picking flowers in RDR and actually enjoying it. Glad to see that's returned here.

[frostypants]

The pacing isn't terrible. It's just not what you like.

[Flewid638]

Good thing it isnt terrible then.

[Elda]

Agreed.

[Christopher]

***Which is why articles like this exist. If people find the pacing of this game slow, then Fortnite and COD are their other options.***

Shite logic is shite logic.

The person can love everything but how slow it is, but no, let's just associate him with some of the fastest games out there that have absolutely no other comparison to a SP open world Western game.

[rainslacker]

The mindset to fully appreciate this game seems to be not caring about anything you may think about games and how they should be paced, and just not even looking at the game critically because its a R* game and people want to be excited about it.

In my opinion, if a game seems to be trying to force you to appreciate all that it offers, then it's trying too hard, because most people can stop and enjoy something on their own if they care about it enough.

[yoshatabi]

What slow pace? I think the pace is just fine. People are just impatient nowadays and want nothing but shortcuts

[Flewid638]

I hate slow games.....I even hated the first RDR.

And yet, I bought this game anyway and feel like it's a masterpiece.
#TheseThingsHappen

[sampsonon]

yeah, but the only thing that i would say is the riding, boy there is a lot of long distance riding. Thank god for the auto ride feature which works great.

[Jinger]

There is fast travel, and the train, and the carriages to help you get around quickly.

[pyroxxx]

Capture the fastest horse you can, use train a lot. Bothered me the first 20 or so hours,.. then I started to roleplay,.. and just zone out shooting squirls and shit on the way.

[mogwaii]

Except it doesn't because it takes away the great random events that happen, it's just straight to the destination and if people are using it all the time they are missing out on alot of the charm of this game.

[MoshA]

I think God of War's giant snake the size of an island with no loading screens took longer to develop than horses

[ScootaKuH]

Eh?

[Skankinruby]

Rockstar finally made a game with depth to it. Characters have actual personality, and relationships feel real and not scripted like a junior high kid reading flash cards in front of the classroom. This game is fantastic, not for the COD/GTA online button mashers but an actual well thought out game.

[UnSelf]

People like you kill me. Im going to presume your jab was directed at GTAV and probably every other iteration of the franchise. You really think the game that sold more than any other piece of media IN HISTORY, did so because the writing and/or characters resembled the ramblings of a junior high school kid's flashcards?

And yeah i know someones going to mention how sales dont equate to greatness and bypass the entire point of this comment entirely. To them i say switch up already we all know that.

The point is, a part of the reason GTAV is as praised as it is has a lot to do with its CHARACTERS. Unbelievable. I bet you have less than 70% of trophies in GTA and i bet you this will be the only part of this comment you focus on. Prove me wrong and eloquently retort with a sound response.

[MaximusTKG]

You threw in two fancy(ish) words in at the end to make yourself sound better. Well done!

[Flewid638]

To be fair. I never liked GTA until V, and I didn't like Red Dead until II.

So I definitely see your point.

[ShinRon]

gtav is known for its online nowadays man, not for its single player content

[Skankinruby]

Lol well done sir, you have managed to so profoundly made a completely unprofound statement. First off, let's talk about the sales. GTA 5 came at the tail end of a generation with max install base and immediately double dipped into next gen while the title was still red hot to cash in, and THEN when that momentum slowed a tad they release a PC port to keep the train rolling and since then have spaced out their 'new online mode' announcements to keep the sales coming in. I personally know 7 people who have bought the game 3 different times, by no means am I minimizing the accomplishment in their success but spare me the idea that those sales contradict my point. They were able to mildly tickle the ears of nearly every portion of the gaming market, an already insanely popular franchise now adds multiple protagonists and online multiplayer. And just to tickle the ears of the pre-pubescent fans let's throw in a completely vulgar script to give them the giddy rebellious satisfaction. But beneath the heavy coat of controversial paint what you have is a very cliche story and characters with virtually no substance or personality beyond your average 'dick joke' type humor. Basically a very, very bad attempt at ripping off a Quentin Tarantino script. I see the technical achievements they made with the game and commend them for that, but I'm not going to just side with the popular vote and pretend the campaign/storyline was something special because it just simply wasn't. Ok now you're turn!

[Profchaos]

GTA IV was praised for it's story and character development also and now 10 years later people scream they hate it as it was to slow.

People forget easily.

[moomoo319]

GTA V is a biting satire and theres some great social commentary hidden beneath the silly dialogue. Red Dead is grounded realism, both great just very different. Clear why one is more popular though

[Inzo]

Not really, the clunky feel isnt a mindset . I am really enjoying the game but that doesn't mean that there aren't things that are frustrating.

[nyu1]

He isn't talking about movement mechanics. he's talking about the game as a whole.

[chiefJohn117]

How give me an example

[Sillicur]

Exactly!

[chiefJohn117]

How is it clunky? For example state of Decay movements was clunky you mean to tell me red dead 2 movement is anything close to that? Realistic movement= clunky? Lol wtf. Do a 360 spin and compare. Go up some stairs or a hill. Clunky games the player won't react or adjust to the angle of the hill or stair they'll glide right up it. And when you spin they're feet won't be planted and pushing.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

I love the game but I’m tired of seeing that excuse who the hell moves like Arthur in real life lol no one

[chiefJohn117]

Seriously I have 0 clue wtf y'all talking about what's wrong with the way he walk? I really don't get it.

[nyu1]

Great article. Some games are slower paced than others, and focus more on immersion and detail. As the author said, RDR2 requires more from the player. It's not necessarily the game you play when you want to have 30 minutes of fun after work. Same can be said about something like Kingdom Come Deliverance.

That doesn't mean they're worse games. It just means they're different, and honestly it's so nice to see Rockstar go down this path, because most games are the opposite. For people who appreciate this kind of immersion and detail and slower paced gameplay, it's nice to see Rockstar doing this.

I also applaud Rockstar for sticking to this vision, despite obviously knowing that some people wouldn't like it. You wouldn't expect such a big production to do this, but it shows you that Rockstar values the creative vision a lot. The end result is something special.

[Sillicur]

Thanks, well said. I thought the same about Kingdom Come when reviewing it, was still an awesome experience, but it does ask a lot from players to fully enjoy

[ECHOINFINITY]

I think as more of a simulation they nailed it. As a game I hated the controls and traveling requirement. Having a more immersive mode for those that want it and allowing traditional fast travel otherwise would have been a smart move imo. The controls just need a complete overhaul.

[BrettAwesome]

Well, personally I'm a sucker for well crafted open worlds, so this is a perfect game for me. One of the reasons I have a hard time hating on ubi. Lol

[steven83r]

If ESO , Skyrim, The Witcher and games like Fable are your thing then this will be great for you. Also if you grew up loving Westerns. But I dont recommend it to friends with little patience or only like racing and PvP shooting games. The attention to detail and vast beautiful environments make for an amazing experience.

[HeisenbergX]

I agree you need to take your time with this game .. i was sceptical before i got it because of all the chores and too much realism but i’m really loving the game.

[TheUpbringer]

You need a high IQ to understand the intricacies of Red Dead 2

[BlueBlue]

You also need to watch Rick and Morty...

[bigmalky]

An open world you can get immersed playing in. I think only Skyrim and The Witcher 3 have done it right so far. This is a masterpiece for a patient gamer who likes a good, slow burning story.

[lellkay]

I do agree, the pacing is slow and deliberate. The controls are clunky though and this can make the slower sections feel like a chore when stuff isn't quite working. Incredible game regardless though I am loving it.

[Elda]

Agreed. Though I'm not loving it far as being ecstatic over the game but I'm not hating it either. I'm interested to see how the story goes & if it starts feeling more like a game to me.

[Taz X14]

I think this game has the same problem that mgsv had in that it took an established franchise, made changes that the core audience disliked, media gave it near perfect scores attracting die hard fans who defended its flaws as “immersive”, then a year down the road most who continued to discuss it described it overall as meh...

[King_Noctis]

This game is nothing similar to mgsv. I’m willing to bet that years from now this game will still be in most people’s top ten list.

[Elda]

The defender strikes again,everybody to you must say RDR2 is perfect in every way because if someone doesn't it just ruins your day...LMAO!

[sprinterboy]

Top 10, I wouldnt go that far imo. I'm enjoying the game but it's only a 8 atm 32%complete

[rainslacker]

Except the game play of MGSV was the best in the series. It had terrible pacing issues though, and a story that wasn't exactly amazing, but that was known from the reviews. It's known here in these reviews too, along with the less than stellar game play, just the reviewers aren't knocking points off for it.

[Taz X14]

I wasn’t saying the gameplay in MGSV was bad, I was saying when it came out it was highly praised by the public but heavily criticized by longtime fans of the series only to have the media beer away from admitting such (as seems to be the case here). I know I’ll be downvoted, that’s fine, but it’ll all be down to time to tell whether this rings true or not.

[rainslacker]

I dunno about highly praised. I think it was kind of mixed. Reviews in general were positive, but I think that was mostly because of the game play itself being so good.

But i think most people agreed that the story was lacking compared to the rest of the series, and that the world was kind of barren overall.

Anyhow, I do agree that there will always be this notion that some games are exempt from criticism for any number of reasons. Which I find odd, because even some of my favorite games I could write what I think they don't do well. I probably could state better what they don't do well, because I tend to care more about those games.

For me, it doesn't change my feelings for the game, nor should my opinion on any game someone else likes change their opinion of it. But at the same time, having a favorite game, doesn't mean the game is excluded from harsh review.

[Phils_Libra]

Good article! Before release, I was really worried this game would be much more action and shooter focused from the previous RDR game considering the success of GTA V online. Instead, this game is exactly what I wanted: a slow-paced, realistic, western RPG. I highly applaud Rockstar on sticking with such a story-focused and character-driven game; I’m really enjoying it so far. Now if I can just stop playing poker so much at camp and saloons. Lol!

[DaReapa]

I share your sentiments.

"Now if I can just stop playing poker so much at camp and saloons."
I'm the same way at the dominoes table, lol.

[Phils_Libra]

I haven't even tried the dominoes table yet. Perhaps I shouldn't! Lol!

[chris235]

sorry, it only takes a mindset that likes more of the same old same old. nothig more, nothing less. stop making more out of the game than what it is. a sequel.

[JannWJones]

If you can appreciate attention to detail and an added level of realism you'll love Red Dead Redemption 2 it's a great game it's also beautiful.

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[ninsigma]

To me the game is just fun to run around in and get into some fun hilarious moments and that's all it needs to be. It doesn't do everything perfectly and many times it's too realistic for its own good to the point where some things can be tedious, but where it shines is in the crazy random scenarios and opportunities it offers to players.

[InKnight7s]

Woooow just wow these articles just for westren games, nobody said how awesome Persona 5 or Dragon Quest XI they need "specific" mindset to apreciate over silly and useless shooters.

[rainslacker]

I agree. People can make up their own mind if they like a game or not. If someone has to inform people that they're not good enough, or just can't understand because of whatever reason, then the devs didn't do a good job of relaying their vision.

Some people get it, others get it but don't think its perfect, still others think its not that good, but most seem to agree that it is exceptionally detailed.

[Flewid638]

I feel like I need a specific anime mindset to enjoy Persona, which I dont.

Oddly enough, I played Nier Automata and felt it to be a masterpiece. Maybe I should give Persona a try.

[Artemidorus]

The ones who don't require a wallet to play a game.

[Software_Lover]

It's not an instant satisfaction game. The younger generation will not appreciate it.

[Flewid638]

Definitely not for the Forknife kids.

[capjacksparrow]

Doesn't seem like a very specific mindset when every reviewer gives it a 10/10. I'm waiting on this one, I usually find myself let down by things rated higher than 95 on metacritic (with the exception of Bioshock, Uncharted 2, and ME2).

[Flewid638]

I got burned by GoW that way too

[capjacksparrow]

God of War (2018) blew me away, but it's all subjective really. Had it been rated above a 95, I would have agreed with the score.

[Flewid638]

First PS exclusive that ever let me down. As an OG fan it hurt, but I still respected the quality of the acting and story,

[Nodoze]

It is like a very fine wine. I actually get upset when I see the full game progress being further along than I would like. I don't want it to end.

Helpful for those that want to feed their desire for lore when unable to game:
Amazon Prime -
All classic Eastwood spaghetti westerns are available to stream (The good, the bad + the ugly, hang em high, fistfull of dollars etc). Absolutely MUST WATCH for those that have not seen them. Keep in mind that these were italian films so the lip reading effect is present for some, but this does NOT take away from these classics.
Additionally the classic (1958) TV show 'The Rifleman' available to stream as well. Yes it is black and white, but still very worthy!
Netflix -
Hell on Wheels - WATCH IT.
The Unforgiven - Utterly fantastic
Hateful Eight - gory but still decent
On my watch list
Hostiles
Godless

Enjoy. I am not always a fan of all Rockstar games (I don't care for GTA series), but this is a game that truly is one that comes along once in a generation. Stunning attention to detail. Absolutely a delicacy that needs to be appreciated for what it is....the finest Western themed 'game' ever created. I put quotes in as this is more a wild west simulator than a game. Calling it a game does not do it justice.

[sampsonon]

That's why I'm taking my sweet time playing it. Meaning i only play when i am in that state of mind.

[jznrpg]

Some will like it some won’t. I enjoy the pacing it reminds me of the old western epics and that seems to be what Rockstar was aiming for .

[Mekami86]

The game is just amazing and can't wait for multiplayer

[goldwyncq]

Red Dead 2 is the Shenmue of this generation.

[PaleMoonDeath]

It's called the pre-fortnite mind set, rated M for Mature, kids.

[T2X]

I love it so far!! But it is a time vampire like most open world games.

[Elda]

Great read. I'm in the minority when it comes to RDR2. I agree with the writer stating that at times it feels like a chore & that's exactly how I felt about chapter 1. It seems this game is somewhat of a real life Western simulator which I hope the more I play it starts feeling more like a game.I'm
also playing SOTTR,AC:O,Spiderman & some other games so I may be playing RDR2 well into next year.I'll start chapter 2 tonight & hoping my experience gets better.

[DOOMZ]

Its a tedious chore with pretty paint!

[sypher]

So does Ride to Hell Retribution...

[Realms]

RDR2 should be played by taking your time it's marathon not a sprint, it was a rough agonizing slow start IMO but now that some things have opened up it's becoming more enjoyable even the slow mechanics don't seem to bother me as much. Some things still bother me but I'm rather enjoying exploring and randomly meeting various characters roaming around.

[ziratul]

Game is great, but cowboys are alien culture to me and because of that I don't enjoy playing it like I enjoy AC: Odyssey. But I believe Americans love RDR2 like no other game.

[Lynx0207]

I played 6 hours. I almost hated it. Slow pacing, bad facial animation, clunky controls. But after that... the pace is a little faster, I am used to controls and the story turned out to be great (facial animations are still outdated, though). I played +- 20 hours and I love that game. It is one of the most amazing adventures I ever played. It is definitely in my top 3 games of 2018!

[Jinger]

You must have ran through pretty quickly then. I'm 30 hours in and only like 29% done.

[Lynx0207]

I didn't say I've finished it. I am still playing. I have 33-35%

[Flewid638]

29% done on story or game?

[pyroxxx]

So much this! It clicked for me like 25-30 hours in, once I messed with controls a bit and got used to crazy clumsy (unintuvative) inventory, started using trains,... started to role play it, instead of check listing (there is some of that though (just want that damn pouch),.. fucking cougars). You have this moments in the game that are simply something like Skyrim/Long Dark/adventure game,.. It is amazing

[Flewid638]

I agree that the facial animations were the only area they took a shortcut on the graphics............STILL nowhere near as bad as Andromeda.

But as someone who hates RDRI and all GTA games, I'm suprised that I love RDRII as much as I do. Friggin masterpiece.

[bellome]

I enjoy playing it but sometimes it feels like the game is wasting my time with it’s tedious pacing.

[Tze_Viper]

Not surprised my generation is calling this game boring or slow. Most have the attention span of a fish.

[Hitman0769]

Exactly. Headline nailed it.

[Tokasmke]

Yea you need to love video games

[PowerOfTheCloud]

Right now there is almost nothing that bothers me about rdr2. Only thing i could complain about is that my ps4 pro is switching to jet mode at times when i play this game but that's on sony not on the game.

This game made me even feel kind of sorry to lose my brave horse while messing around with tied strangers on the train tracks (RIP Ash I. Ash II, while reliable, she got nothing on you).

I'm amazed by this game in every way.

[ECHOINFINITY]

I personally didn't enjoy it. The controls are awful and you spend most of the game traveling on your horse. Obviously Rockstar makes great characters, stories and worlds but the gameplay wasn't fun for me personally. To each their own.

[Jinger]

How else did you expect them to travel in that time? There is also fast travel, carriages and trains that will take you to all the major towns.

[ECHOINFINITY]

You're right. As a simulation, most of the mechanics are super detailed and make sense. For me though, I play games for strong gameplay mechanics first and foremost. I already commute to work everyday and have real world chores. I don't want them in my games, especially when I only have so much time for gaming. And the actual controls are an absolute mess in RDR2, considering how much shooting you do.

[AK91]

Damn straight.

[PureTruth]

I personally enjoy the detail, the concept, the pace, and so far the story. Not sure why it's getting so much criticism, other than a few post-launch control issues that will most likely be dialed in during upcoming patches. My review would be titled "Right Game, Wrong Time." I feel if a realistic western movie, or tv series had been currently popular in other media... this game would be more universally acclaimed. To illustrate my mindset, Trevor in GTA V and Breaking Bad, or the numerous medieval themed games (Witcher 3, Skyrim) that peaked in popularity coinciding Game of Thrones.

[flak]

I like the game but sort the stupid things such as getting wanted for bumping into someone etc.
Also why try to go for immersion but then lock things behind the story such as fishing, buying certain guns and it's no rpg that's for sure.
And the law that knows you were going to rob that train and get there in a minute or so.

[SharpCT]

Red dead redemption > GTA 5. Red dead is for more of a more grown, hard core gamer

[ECHOINFINITY]

LOL. No, it's for a gamer with a lot of time who enjoys commuting and performing chores in their gaming time.

[MrBobSugar]

I played GOW and Spiderman before RDR2. It's a pretty brutal change of pace. But, as always starting a new game, it's about acclimating to the physics, gameplay, and pace. Once acclimated, though, these games can really shine. It doesn't take as long as it might seem at first. The fact that we have these great games that take time to adjust is a great sign for the industry bc it speaks to a dynamic industry.

[AllMightyFox]

"Specific Mindset" ……. aka mentally handicapped and drooling on oneself

[Donnie81]

I must be in that mindset because I'm really enjoying it

[adonisisfree]

This game is for an older crowd. I enjoy this game like the witcher 3. I talk to everyone, walk everywhere and take my time. This is the type of game that requires a deep appreciation for detail.

[ECHOINFINITY]

The Witcher 3 is one of my personal GOATS. It also suffered from serviceable controls at best but I found the core gameplay much more enjoyable.

[joab777]

I don’t know how anyone doesn’t enjoy this game. It’s a masterpiece. Everyone adored the exploration in Skyrim and Fallout, but this is too slow?

Also, one thing that NO ONE is talking about is how this foundation is going to affect RD Online. It is going to be an online experience unlike anything we have ever played.

[GameBoyColor]

put on the compass and forget its a game and just immerse yourself into it. I can't even look at the minimap now.

[Ashby_JC]

The only problem I can say I have with the game is how the game handles getting a wanted level. I can encounter a total stranger that shoots me first I defend myself and kill him and I get a wanted level.

I also encounter 3 O'Driscolls outside the saloon in Valentine. We exchange words one grabs me off the horse. I run and bump into another person who starts fighting me. I run because I know as soon as I start shooting the law is coming after ME. I end up killing the 3 gang members behind the Saloon because I was close to dying. Next thing happens is a witness sees this and runs off and now I got lawmen on my ass.

Out of frustration I start killing lawmen and get away. Now I have a $190 bounty. I pay it. So how is it that I can kill lawmen and only have to pay a fine??

The game is good but flawed. It wants to be realistic in many ways but falls short in others. I would have liked if Rockstar spent more time and made it much more complex as to how laws are broken.

Last example. I see a fist fight in the middle of Valentine. One guy knocks one guy out (basically dead in this game) he walks back into the bar. Not one person runs and gets the law!! So I go over and loot the dead guy. Guess what....the law is standing right fucking there and pulls a gun out on me. Ummm you just stood there and watched a man get beat to death and did nothing. He ended up actually shooting me because I would not put my hands up!!!

It just feels like the law is only after YOU and no one else!

[Dixiedevil]

I gotta say, towards the end the games controls really take a dive.The whole scenario made a game that I was enjoying completely infuriating.

[CrowdNex]

Im 20 hours in and still barely 30% of the main story lol, I dedicate full gaming sessions for hunting only, I just want to beat the game when im 100 hours in or even more! I JUST DONT WANT IT TO END!!!!!

[D3athc3ll]

NAH I don't agree, just need a working brain that's all!!

[mogwaii]

It's great but it does have its infuriating issues, the rigid, at times immersion breaking Ai and sluggish controls being some examples. The fake hdr debacle is a whole other annoying thing.

[Starman69]

Doesn't every game??