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"PlayStation 4 is doing so well - we don't forget why we're here now"

Speaking at at Develop in Brighton, Sony Worldwide Studios head Shuhei Yoshida spoke about Sony’s journey as a console vendor, from the original PlayStation through to now with the PlayStation 4.

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PhoenixUp2146d ago

It’s a shame we don’t hear from Ken Kutaragi, the man who started all this, anymore from anywhere. It’s like he fell off the face of the earth.

InMyOpinion2146d ago

Kutaragi san is The Shadow Broker.

The_Sage2146d ago

You win comment of the day! That's freakin funny! Kudos, InMyOpinion.

stuckNhere4Good2145d ago (Edited 2145d ago )

I heard he is The Oracle... (0:54 - 1:05 https://www.youtube.com/wat... )

RDF2146d ago

Kutaragi is the director of the mobile interactive board. The board responsible for regulation of all mobile games in japan. It has a more offical title but thats what they do.

Smokingunz2145d ago

Seems like a step down to me

Rimeskeem2146d ago

What makes a legend is not the PR but the fact the name can be spoken without a word of initiation from said legend.

Godmars2902146d ago

More shot himself in the "foot" with a comment regarding second jobs that's still blowing off in Sony's face.

bujasem_892145d ago

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't that Kazu hirai?

ShadowWolf7122145d ago

Yeah, because people way misinterpreted and misrepresented the actual quote.

stuckNhere4Good2144d ago (Edited 2144d ago )

More like you're working to keep James Ransom-Wiley's lie... https://www.engadget.com/20... alive.

Technological advancement and the costs associated with it don't care about the hot air you and whoever else blows in SIE's face. The slowing of Moore's law, increasing compute/rendering demands and the storage capacity that post-8th era games will require of a medium guarantees that PS3 won't be the first and last PS to cost $499... or more.

Godmars2902144d ago

@stuckNhere4Good:
I get everyone else getting on me for mixing things up, but what are you trying to get at?

Back at the time the PS3 was a steal at $600 as a BR player that played three generations - in the beginning - of games besides. Especially when standalone BR players were going for $1000.

Its just like with crossplay now, Sony had issues, weaknesses, and people who wanted them to fail promoted those failures.

stuckNhere4Good2143d ago (Edited 2143d ago )

No one got on you for mixing things up. bujasem_89 asked you to correct him/her, if wrong, as to whether it was Kaz Hirai who made the "second job" comment. ShadowWolf712 told you that people misinterpreted and misrepresented the "second job" comment... but, the "second job" comment was never made by an SIE executive or representative to begin with.

It was fabricated by a writer... https://www.engadget.com/20... It's his lie that you perpetuate. So, the blowback SIE got and still gets over something never said by one of its officials is nothing but hot air without the force of credibility behind it.

Due to factors I previously mentioned, SIE will find itself in a situation where it will have to break away from the $399 price-point. Cries of Sony being "cocky" and "arrogant" will flood threads and comment sections -- but like in the PS3-era, it won't matter. The advancement of technology will have had the final say... That's what I'm getting at.

Funny, in this thread you said that at $600 the PS3 was a steal, but in this thread... http://n4g.com/news/2186040... you said the PS3's price was a mistake. You sound confused; but here's my take...

Yeah, PS3 was a steal at $600 (a bigger steal at $500). Blu-ray players did sell for as much as $1000, but what you missed is that the PS3 cost $1060 to produce (the cost of technological advancement). That means Ken was fair to both the consumer and SIE with the PS3's price tags ($499/$599).

By the way, your claims that "a casual comment" cost Ken his job, and that SIE tried to "hamstring 3rd party studios into exclusivity by making porting to other systems as difficult as possible", are false and bogus.

Godmars2902143d ago

@stuckNhere4Good:
You realize whether the comment was true, said by one or the other or quite literally pulled out of a reporter's @$$, that at the time it stuck? That were Sony was being villinized MS was praised to idiotic levels?

" you said the PS3's price was a mistake. "

Where are you reading that specifically? Just quoting myself here for s**ts and giggles:
" And still from those mistakes they were a solid competitor. Closed rather than widened sale gaps."

Despite your hostile attitude I'm getting that we're on the same side. That we both thinks that Sony's done a better job than MS than gaming is concerned anyway. With any difference being that Sony is as imperfect as I am.

And they did muck up the PS3's architecture, just like they did the PS2's.

stuckNhere4Good2142d ago (Edited 2142d ago )

Obviously I realize that the untrue fabricated comment stuck (and still sticks), because you brought it up twice in two different threads. The second time triggered my initial reply and explains the hostility you perceive.

Take another look at your quote. It says "those mistakes" -- " those mistakes" is plural; and you listed what you thought "those mistakes" were: 1) a $600 system, 2) a casual comment and 3) trying to hamstring 3rd-party studios.

We're on the same side, but we see SIE's decisions and actions through opposite ends of the spectrum. For instance, you think SIE mucked up the PS3 and PS2's system architectures -- but I don't.

I think Ken Kutaragi had it right (use exotic higher frequency cores on the CPU to assist in or accelerate graphics processing, so that the GPU can render higher resolutions or fps ), Mark Cerny has it wrong (use lower frequency GPU compute units to accelerate CPU processes, at the expense of rendering higher resolutions or fps).

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DarXyde2146d ago

Ken is still at Sony. He might be a little salty to see playstation doing so well without him though.

Personally, I respect him and his contributions, but I'm glad he's not doing playstation stuff anymore. He made some pretty crazy statements about PS3 that did more harm than good.

MONOLITHICIDE2145d ago (Edited 2145d ago )

Statements. Very true statements. Whether whimpy fools believe or not Kutaragi created the most robust future proof entertainment system ever conceived along with other notable geniuses. With free network and highly class exclusives all in line to dominate the market. Only to behold a console to pay and pay some more for rudimentary story driven narratives with progressive antics and former shells of the past greatness achieved by the father of playstation. How i miss the days of a true PLAYSTATION.

DarXyde2145d ago

Monolith,

So.... about that 4D and supercomputer status...

BrettAwesome2145d ago

@Monolith
Do you want cheese with that whine?

Kokyu2145d ago (Edited 2145d ago )

@Darxyde

Um Ps3 were used as supercomputers. They had to link 8 or 9 of them together but his claim was vailded.

DarXyde2145d ago

Kokyu,

......... no. Yes, linked together, the claim "makes sense", but following that logic, Windows 95 PCs are supercomputers if you get enough of them together.

And no, that's not what Ken meant. He was pretty intentional in his description.

https://www.google.com.kh/a...

Also, your numbers are a little off...

https://www.google.com.kh/a...

You're probably referring to this, which is more of a "budget supercomputer".

https://www.zdnet.com/artic...

You were close though.

stuckNhere4Good2144d ago (Edited 2144d ago )

DarXyde,

Crazy to some, sensible to others. Ken isn't still at Sony/SIE, however he still wields influence within the corporation/organization.

Post Ken's retirement, Kaz Hirai sought his advice on matters PS3-related... http://archive.videogamesda... , as have both Andrew House and Mark Cerny on matters related to PS4 (58:00 - 59:04 https://www.youtube.com/wat... ) and PS4 Pro (4:12 - 4:52 https://www.youtube.com/wat... ).

So talk of Ken possibly being "salty" and "not doing PlayStation stuff anymore" is absolute nonsense. You'd be surprised to learn how much PS4/PS4 Pro are actually of Ken's doing.

Oh... About that 4D and supercomputer status... Allegorithmic's Sebastien Deguy had some interesting things to say about 4D (there's a technical term for it) and how it applies to PS3... http://www.drdobbs.com/para...

Scott Kirkland and Mick Hocking of now-defunct Evolution Studios also had some interesting things to say a year before Sebastien -- and demo (36:37 - 39:47 https://www.youtube.com/wat... ).

And yes, PS3 is a supercomputer because CELL embarassingly outperformed the general purpose processors... https://image.slidesharecdn... of its day in FLOPS... https://image.slidesharecdn... (supercomputer performance is measured in FLOPS... http://www.sdsc.edu/news_an... ), it prefetches like CRAY supercomputers of old... https://image.slidesharecdn... , runs Big Iron (mainframe) OSes and was highly tuned for HPC workloads... https://arstechnica.com/gad...

When Ken said PS3 was a supercomputer, he didn't mean like the ones that make the Top500. For you to think he did just goes to show that he wasn't the "crazy" one.

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Smokingunz2145d ago

He's enjoying retirement. I'm pretty sure he's in the background helping every now and then giving onsite. I'm pretty sure they'll turn to him for ideas on the ps5 they would be stupid not to.

Tsar4ever012145d ago

Ken Kutaragi, 'The Father of PlayStation'. Ken's children are the PsOne, PS2 & PS3.
Mark Cerny, "The Foster Father of PlayStation". His children are the PS4, PS4 Pro and upcoming PS5.

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FallenAngel19842146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

“PlayStation doesn't have a mascot as such, even if there are plenty of contenders - Nathan Drake, Sackboy or maybe even just Toro the cat - but none of them can really hold a candle to Shuhei Yoshida, the president of Sony's Worldwide Studios who's become the friendly face of PlayStation in recent years.”

I’d argue that Kratos best represents the PlayStation brand. They both became who they are by pledging loyalty to a certain entity(Ares/Nintendo) for something in return, got betrayed by said entity that ruled the domain/industry, set out on an epic quest for revenge with impossible odds stacked, contributed to slaying a titan(Gaia/Sega) of the domain that it had a temporary alliance with against the main betraying entity(Zeus/Nintendo) which underestimated them, reached the top of the industry/Olympus, and eventually decided to not be so focused on revenge instead and maturing/mellowing out while remaining a be wreckoned with.

cannon88002146d ago

Give this man a bubble for intelligent/ funny! lol

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KickSpinFilter2146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

Brilliant! Dear human.

Christopher2146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

So, who's Athena? Pandora? Who did "Kratos" murder to equate to his wife and children? How many innocent people did "Kratos" sacrifice to get vengeance?

Not that flattering of an analogy when you really think about it. Kratos isn't a hero or the good guy.

rainslacker2146d ago

Couldn't Athena and Pandora be all those other consoles that tried to make some headway in the market? Steam Machines, Ouya, Shield, etc? Could be said that Sony murdered Nintendo, Sega, and at times, MS....but it's a stretch.

As far as who they had to sacrifice.....well, there I think you're just over thinking it.:)

Christopher2146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

Athena was a major role in Kratos' journey, some minor machine isn't that. This would be akin to Sony gutting Naughty Dog or the like. Or turning on Cerney/Shu.

I'm not overthinking it, I just think this is a boorish attempt to play up Sony as a good guy in the battle against evil. It's pretty poor fanfiction and self-gratification of a sort.

SierraGuy2146d ago

PS1 sacrificed N64...that was no minor machine...and it was early on.

Christopher2146d ago

***PS1 sacrificed N64...that was no minor machine...and it was early on.***

Can't be. N64 is Nintendo and Nintendo is Ares.

rainslacker2146d ago

"I just think this is a boorish attempt to play up Sony as a good guy in the battle against evil. It's pretty poor fanfiction and self-gratification of a sort."

Sorry, but that seems like you're overthinking it. Was just a fun analogy.

Christopher2146d ago

Nah, no overthinking. This is thoughts that come randomly while moderating. We just have different opinions, especially about the level of 'fun' of this analogy. It's okay to disagree, you don't need to put my thoughts down as 'too much' just because we disagree. Though, I would encourage 'more' thinking on stuff typically.

RosweeSon2145d ago

Kratos killed Microsoft

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FallenAngel19842146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

@ Cloud

Lol I’ve always been saying Kratos is the definitive PlayStation mascot for a reason.

@ Pancit

If you want to push the analogy even further, Microsoft would be Hercules in this regard, being a fellow powerful demigod/mega conglomerate that harbors jealousy towards Kratos/PlayStation. There’s even a moment when Hercules/Microsoft seem to be working with their enemy Hera/Nintendo in a battle against Kratos/PlayStation.

@ Chris

Many of those Greek heroes, such as Oedipus, Achilles, and even Hercules at some points, had a Might Makes Right mentality; their worth as heroes wasn't measured by their moral character, but through their strength and power. Kratos being based on those mythological characters is essentially what these kinds of heroes would be in real life; sociopathic, selfish, bloodthirsty, and extremely entitled.

Conversely the video game industry is also governed by a Might Makes Right mentality, since even though the top dogs such as Atari, Nintendo, Sega, Sony, & Microsoft don’t always do the right thing but they got to where they and live or die by the success of their brand, and PlayStation just happens to continually be on top in that regard.

You don’t need to consider Kratos/PlayStation a virtuous hero, you just need to acknowledge them as them as the conquering victors that they are.

Christopher2146d ago

If anyone in the industry deserves the title of Kratos, it's got to be EA then based on that concept of Might Makes Right.

Sony didn't get to where they were by sacrificing innocents and killing off competition. The whole analogy just doesn't work for me. In the God of War series, it's impossible to find any redeeming value in most of the individuals involved and I'd rather not have the idea be that we're all just giving our money to evil entities who will kill each other for the most selfish of reasons without thought for those below (consumers).

FallenAngel19842146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

EA isn’t in the hardware business. I’m talking strictly about the hardware manufacturers since they’re the ones who have the biggest influence on the industry in the same manner gods have the biggest influence on their domain.

Sony did however kill off various studios such as 989 Studios, BigBig Studios, Evolution Studios, Guerrilla Cambridge, Incognito Entertainment, Studio Liverpool, Zipper Interactive, Cellius, Eat Sleep Play, Game Republic, & Cohort Studios in the same manner Kratos has to make various sacrifices in his/its conquest for supremacy.

In the GoW series the Gods of Olympus are famous for toying with or outright squashing humanity when they feel like it, but also the sources of wisdom, love, agriculture, and even the Sun itself. Conversely although every hardware manufacturer has engaged in some questionable business practices, they’ve all contributed to the industry in meaningful way to warrant respect. So it’s not like they’re all irredeemably evil on either side of the analogy. In the end, which side is more in the right comes down to the audience/mortals.

If you don’t like the analogy then cool, I’m just saying in my opinion that Kratos is the best suited mascot for the PS brand.

Shadowolf2146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

@FallenAngel1984,

Very well said!

bujasem_892145d ago

This wins N4G. Awesome comment, I guess if MS fits anywhere in there could it be his children?

Hardiman2145d ago

Best comment I've read in quite some time! Very nice analogy!

Smokingunz2145d ago

Kratos is not owned by Sony but to the second hand company that does. I agree with the last paragraph but the first is subjective. Sony can't fuck wit nintendo and nintendo games trump all of Sony's first party games. They still cant make a better game than any of Nintendo's franchises. If it wasn't for Nintendo Sony wouldn't be here so they owe Nintendo some slack, even though I think Sony respects Nintendo and one of those reasons is they still copy nintendo till this day

thatguyhayat2145d ago

Thissss. This right here is spot on. Let our voices be heard that kratos is the mascot

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ILostMyMind2146d ago (Edited 2146d ago )

PlayStation has brought a lot of fun to the childhood of many of us and has become synonymous of video game. It deserves.

InMyOpinion2146d ago

They certainly don't forget. Their exclusive line-up alone is so overwhelming I'm almost (just almost) thinking "Sony, why all these great games at once?!".

KickSpinFilter2146d ago

I don't think there has ever been a time where I have loved soooo many exclusives coming out for one system it's just dizzying.

rainslacker2146d ago

PS2 days I had that feeling. not that they were all from Sony at that time though. There were so many JRPG's for that system, I would actually have to sit and choose which one I wanted to play next. Sadly, there aren't that many JRPG's to choose from of that caliber anymore.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken1d 23h ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty1d 22h ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken1d 21h ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty1d 18h ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken1d 17h ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0071d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken1d 15h ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot1d 12h ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto1d 11h ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer1d 8h ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek1d 8h ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken1d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie22h ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12082d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast2d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit2d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export2d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2032d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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Naughty Dog Boss Neil Druckmann Says AI Will 'Revolutionize' Development

Druckmann claims the tech could 'push the boundaries of storytelling in games.'

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Jin_Sakai3d ago

I’m more interested in what else he said.

“Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’

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H93d ago

It will be something like "we erased gameplay all together it's just a movie now"

purple1013d ago

every time naughty dog make a game, you play it and get the feeling "this is not possible'

from the boulder running towards you in crash, on ps1,
to the massive open world of jak and daxter, on ps2,
to the QuickTime events sequences of uncharted on ps3/4

and now we will see what they do with ps5,

H93d ago

Press X for doubt at "PS5"

-Foxtrot3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Arrogant asshole who sniffs his own farts bigs up next game…sounds like typical PR to me

You know what I find interesting? Almost every site reporting this as the main title where the REAL interesting bit of the interview is Neil praising AI and saying it will be used to help push story, characters, dialogue and more.

It’s super shitty to big up AI especially when it comes to story telling and other creative elements.

senorfartcushion3d ago

Just because someone says this type of stuff, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be good news.

You can say this about microtransactions. MXTs revolutionised the gaming industry.

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Levii_923d ago

Geez how full of themselves are these guys.

Einhander19723d ago

He also said it has "ethical issues we need to address" but of course that doesn't get the clicks.

CrimsonWing693d ago

I’m all for it. Cuts the time to make a game. Look, Hellblade 2 took 5 years to make, if AI can do that in half the time, as a consumer, I support it.

Chard3d ago

Things will get far sloppier brother

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The Witcher 3 REDkit Q&A - CDPR & Yigsoft Confirm Steam Workshop Support; Further Changes Planned

CD Projekt RED and Yigsoft have launched The Witcher 3 REDkit on PC. We interviewed both studios to discuss the release of these mod tools.

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