Microsoft: It Is Difficult To Make A Triple-A Game Without Content Plan For 1 Or 2 Years

Microsoft appears to be one of the only major first party publisher this generation that is alienating itself from single-player games.

[ArchangelMike]

O come on! Please tell me no one is still buying this bullcrap. What he's saying is that MS are hedging all their bets on GAAS. That might be what they want to do, and the direction they want to go in, and that's fine. It really is. But don't start with the Bullcrap that your audience don't want single player games. Heck Ryan McCaffrey said it best https://twitter.com/dmc_rya... and if you don't start now, you'll lose the next gen as well. C'mon xbox fans, you've got to ask for more than just GAAS, please tell me that you guys see this problem for what it is, and how it will affect xbox next gen.

[CaptainObvious878]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the new GoW have no plans for future DLC? And again, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the 5 week in a row it's at the top of most charts?

Maybe if ms fans actually called ms out on their BS instead of just sony fans, you'd have some decent games right now.

[firelogic]

Not anyone can put out a game like God of War. You need the talent, the vision, and proper support. Sony can afford to push their first parties because they have so many of them. They'll put out a total of around 10 BIG games for PS4 this gen which means they can give them a lot of time to finish. They can also afford to whiff on a few of them. MS on the other hand doesn't have the first party studio portfolio to do that. Which is of course their fault. Considering they've been in the industry since 2001, it's kind of embarassing. I'm pretty sure Sony had a large stable of first party studios 17 years after the PS1 launched.

[kneon]

@firelogic

I think Sony takes the movie studio approach to games.

Movie studios count on a few big hits to pay for all the other movies that are too niche, weird or just plain bad to make much money. Of course they would prefer if all movies made a profit, but you can never be sure. Sometimes an "obvious" hit turns out to be a flop, or conversely, some odd little movie becomes a huge hit.

I think this is why Sony will sometimes greenlight games that other publishers wouldn't. They are willing to take more chances on their games and let developers have more creative freedom. Sometimes that fails, and other times you come up with something really great and different.

[fiveby9]

@kneon I agree. Sony's pedigree has much deeper roots in creativity through their movie and music businesses. That pedigree clearly shapes how they view first party studios. MS, on the other hand, is primarily a business software company. Not exactly a creative pedigree like Sony's. You can see how it shapes MS strategy. They appear to make decisions based on analytics and have more of an aversion to taking risks compared to Sony. Playing it safe and trying to rely on last gen successes have only lost them market share. Clearly, they read their analytics wrong when designing and marketing the X1 at release. They have been swimming against the currents ever since.

[Flewid638]

I guess his point is, pulling a GTA V is more profitable.

And while he's right, very FEW companies and FEW games can pull off billion dollar GTA numbers for 5 years straight. His argument would be more compelling if MS was the king of multiplayer exclusives........but they don't do exclusives of any type. lol.

[darthv72]

Well of course it's difficult to make AAA content if you don't put any time, effort and $$$ into doing it. MS just wants that ROI instead of actually doing any of the "I" part.

[The Wood]

Excuses excuses..........

Some will defend this because of 'reasons'

Its almost ms are throwing in the towel and skillfully covering the eyes of its fanbase with the same throw.

Ms definitely need to change their ethology. Sony will capture more fans and ex fans if both companies trajectories continue as is.

[-Foxtrot]

Even if they decide in the far future to step away from a "traditional console" and expand on some sort of Netflix like Xbox app for a variety of different products to use they'll never actually say they've left the gaming industry...it'll just slowly transistion into it.

They just don't want to p*** off Xbox die hards who have always been by the Xbox and throw future customers away...tell them "Oh we want to move away from consoles and expand into some streaming app service where we can establish a bigger market along with more income" I doubt people would take that lightly there would be such a backlash. Do it slower, leading die hard fans on like a carrot in front of a Donkey and there's more chance of keeping those customers for the future.

Not saying this will happen, nor am I saying they will leave the console industry but their past history and the actions now with what they say and do seem to point in that general direction.

[AmUnRa]

No they will not do that, Microsoft future is games as a service.
Thats it, nothing more. But xboxfans dont care, and will defent Microsoft all the way.The fans are bending over and say please Microsoft give me more GaaS.
I do not understand that, i realy dont.
Thats not my future, my future is the model Sony is going for.

[choujij]

@-Foxtrot
"They just don't want to p*** off Xbox die hards who have always been by the Xbox and throw future customers away"

It's happening already. Not all of course, but many are beginning to see their true colors. My bro was the biggest Xbox supporter I know. He sold his Xbox One and I didn't find out till over a year later because he was so embarrassed for giving them the support he did and for trying to persuade everyone we knew to buy one.

Personally, I used to love the Xbox. Owned the original as well as the 360 since the day it launched. But towards the end of last gen, I saw them for what they were. Now I call them out in hopes they either change or GTFO of console gaming.

[meka2611]

Nah it's mostly from mako not knowing what he is talking about. I don't think there ate many gamers that wasn't games as a service, it sounds terrible, but to being in azure and all this other stuff makes him sound. Azure is a microsoft platform that lets you do a domain without a centralized server, which is nice.

[Muzikguy]

They seem to say the same thing over and over just wording it different. They shouldn't try to discredit good AAA single player games and then complain when they can't get something right. Who's the one not sharing their numbers again? Who's the one trying to hide behind a future they've yet to prove to anyone? Gamers are getting tired of being lied to, or at least I hope they are

[trooper_]

I'm sure as heck not buying it.

They're full of crap.

[ClanPsi1]

Gallium arsenide?

[xRacer74x]

You can always tell the Sony troll. He does not own a XBOX but any chance they get to down the other platform they take advantage of it. If you spent half the time you do trashing a console you would be a pro gamer little boy.

[UCForce]

Well, you and Kribwalker are no different really. If MS continue with their Gaas like that, it isn’t going to help them in long run.

[xRacer74x]

@UCForce, the difference is I have a PS4 I try things before I say I like it or not. Actually Krib is on my friends list he is a good guy.

[Rachel_Alucard]

"B-but Sony!!!"

Every time

Maybe if MS weren't doing so much damage to the industry, consumers, and themselves, people would stay silent.

[UCForce]

I don’t think so. Even you two owned all platforms, but you and him are both loyalty to MS and of course both of you don’t want to admit. I will say this again, you and Kribwalker are no different.

[rainslacker]

" If I can play any game except Sony games for less than 2 games a year its a deal to me and most other sane people,"

And what caliber of game, and how many of those games, do you really expect to get for the cost of only two games a year...although realistically, the price will go up to about 3-4 games a year eventually.

MS wants to make money off the service, and they're not going to do that by financing publishers AAA games to get them on the service. It'll be mostly older games like GWG or PS+, some F2P games wrapped up as something more than they really are, and maybe the occasional big game from MS to push the service.

If MS is really going to put all their titles up on game pass, then I either expect them to back off on the games they put up, or greatly reduce the nature of those games, because there just won't be enough subs to make it worthwhile in the long term.

[Jinger]

I don't know what to tell ya. I just play their games and I play Sony's games. Both have something I like.

[UCForce]

So you prefer something that modernization and more social experience, is that you want in the future ? You know it’s amaze me that you and others still defending publishers greedy antics. I remember you got scared when the government got involved about BF2 loot boxes aka gambling. I’m not big fan of government here, but when publishers gone too far with their greed then they got caught by the government. So publishers need to back off or face the government regulations.

You think Sea Of Thieves and State Of Decay 2 are good games and selling pretty well but in general they got bad reputation for lack of content and unfinished and lack of polish. Sea of Thieves was doing pretty well at UK Chart in first week but each week it gone down and down significantly. God of War was holding at UK chart in five weeks. Detroit Become Human was able to reach UK charts in 2 days and State Of Decay 2 took number 2 spot because it got one weeks. Xbox fanboy thought SoT and SOD 2 would overthrow God Of War and Detroit Become Human but of course they got backfire for being arrogant.

[sprinterboy]

MS treats us gamers like we're 5yr old without a brain, their so patronising and belittling.

[Adisoftcafe]

We've quit asking. Sold the X, bought a PRO. Microsoft is on a different planet.

[WelkinCole]

The thing its not just about xbox fans. Its really is about SP games and about getting full games when we buy them. This goes beyond just xbox fans.

[dumahim]

Wasn't this article from 2 days ago? Why is it showing submitted 18 hours ago?

[Ceaser9857361]

"C'mon xbox fans, you've got to ask for more than just GAAS, please tell me that you guys see this problem for what it is, and how it will affect xbox next gen"

Xbox fans dont listen. Look at those 6 dislikes and rest prolly ignored you.

[CaptainOmega]

Just make a good game and people will continue to play for it 1-2 years. Hell... Make some GOOD DLC story for people to come back to. Enough of the trash excuses from MS.

[Eonjay]

Its like they are thinking only in terms of DLC. They are only going to do something if it is overtly financially beneficial to them. But in doing so they aren't even giving themselves a chance to actually be successful.

[maybelovehate]

Nobody is going to be playing a single player game without seasonal content more than a week or two.

[Trez1234]

lies.

[UCForce]

Then you are not helping here. It’s like you want more social gaming and more modernization. Is that you want ? God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn have earned a lot of respect from gaming community and industry at awhole by not trying to be greedy antics.

[showtimefolks]

Maybe

Why does every game need to be played for months there are games you can finish in few weeks have great experience and move on

You are always defending this crap instead of calling it what it is and that's is greed

Make sure you Xbox fans love this because soon that's all you will get is below average games with content plans

Name me one Gaas that has worked from day one

Warframe
Destiny
Division
Sea of thieves
State of decay 2

Every game launched with issues and some still aren't fixed but guess what you can play for months going the same repetitive missions but worry not to you and others that getting your money's worth

Playing below average games and than depending this crap

[Rachel_Alucard]

Source?

[thejigisup]

If by nobody you mean people that purchase bad single player games and pass up the good ones for some close minded reason(s).

[DivineAssault]

lol yeah ok

[ArchangelMike]

So what? Good single player games like God of War still have a huge market - without the DLC, microtransaction, season pass.

It's MS that lies to you and wants you to believe that they should be investing in single player games, but in Gaas, just so that they can sell you an unfinished game in bits and pieces, so you can keep throwing money at them.

But you don't worry yourself with that, just continue to let MS nickle and dime you into a Gaas future, because they lied to you that that is what is best for you.

I feel so sorry for you right now.

[tombfan]

Excuse me, but I can't stand the fact that games have season passes, actually I prefer to wait 1 or 2 years to play a complete game, because I just tend to play them once and not look back at them.

[InTheLab]

There are people still playing Skyrim 8 years later.

I've been grinding echoes in GoW for at least a week and I don't even need echoes. I just like the combat.

[yellowgerbil]

People keep buying skyrim over and over

[DarXyde]

Persona 5 has no DLC content. Still play it a lot. Heck, I just finished playing Persona 4 again. I'm always playing Gravity Rush 2 and replaying missions or doing time trials, treasure hunts, and mining missions. I still replay Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams, which, as a PS2 game, does not have access to DLC. I even replayed The Last of Us Remastered earlier this year, Catherine, and the Ico Collection late last year.

I've replayed all of those games multiple times already. The fun part is I *can* buy more games because there's always something new and interesting to play, but I appreciate the collection of single player games I've amassed so much that there's really no need to go out and do so at the moment, even though there are games I want to play. You honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

[DerekTweed]

The only single player game I have played more than once is Skyrim.

Some people here have mentioned getting new games instead of playing one for a long time. I think that is the reason developers are trying to make their games "as a Service" so people don't abandon it after they're done. Of course the reason behind that is so they can make more money but who doesn't want to make more money?

I like single player games, I've played loads in the past few months, but I also like multiplayer games, and games with season passes. However, I prefer to buy a game with a season pass after all the DLC/expansions are out then play all. I bought Far Cry 5 gold edition before the DLC came out, completed it and I don't know if I can bring myself to go back. If the DLC's were already out, I would have played right through. That's my mistake.

[Z501]

Did you just start gaming this gen?
People still play MegaMan 2 & Super Mario World & Final Fantasy 7 & Skyrim, etc.

[maybelovehate]

Skyrim is great, but Skyrim has the best modding system in gaming to keep things fresh. They also have had multiple content releases. Skyrim does not apply here.

[yeahright2]

Apart from this being blatantly false (I'm still playing yakuza 6 and it's been weeks), Even if this were true, that's not a bad thing at all. You pay $60 and get weeks of enjoyment, seems fair to me.
It's funny PS takes flack for their games being "one and done" but from my point of view, GaaS are the true one and done games, because you buy, say over watch and that's the one game you play over and over and over and over. Meanwhile, In that same time, I'd have played, horizon, God of War, Tomb raider, Neir, watch dogs 2, and had fun with all of them without ever touching their micro transaction, season pass crap.
So while GaaS fans play one game and have fun, I've played multiple titles.
I'd rather take all the money I would have spent on micro transactions and season passes and buy a new game or two and get new experiences and support multiple developers rather than just limiting myself to one or two games a year and feeding into a system that will create an oligopoly.

[KickSpinFilter]

Hum still playing GOW and I've had it since launch.
One of my favorite games this Gen was "Inside"
The last Guardian is a game I enjoyed immensely.
Both are two games much like TLOU, org Tomb Raider, Zillion etc I will never forget about.
Ya some fun times I also had with COD MW 1,2,3 MP but all those can be easily be replaced with the next version.
I love both MP and SP, but it's the SP memories that stick with me.
Sure when there is a lull again I'll go back to COD WWII, I mean how many MP games can you play in a year and be excellent at it, one or two? If I'm not placing in the top 3 positions in Free-For-All etc whats the point?

[Goldby]

@maybe

Its been More than a month and I'm still playing Gow on a regular basis, if not daily, every other day.

So maybe change your comment next time to state that You don't play games after a week when it's released.

[tombfan]

This statement is True. There are plenty of great games with no DLC and no GaaS services that has a dedicated playerbase. People stop playing games not because they're bad, they just get bored.

[Cueil]

Making DLC that span multiple years is GaaS *sigh*

[lociefer]

God of war, detroit, beyond two souls, uncharted , wtf microsoft . I also believe quantum break and alan wake didn't have any, not sure though

[RpgSama]

"Microsoft: It Is DIFFICULT To Make A Triple-A Game Without Content Plan For 1 Or 2 Years"

And by the quality of the games they actually released, any other game it seems.

[Jinger]

Pretty sure uncharted had plenty of content released in its MP

[DivineAssault]

Pretty sure Uncharted's meat n potatoes was the SP. Just like TLOU, the MP was secondary to the engaging & compelling campaign. Im also pretty sure youre lobbing salt. Why though? Instead of tossing it our way, go cut loose on MS' twitter or something. Get their attention and let them know that theyre headed down the wrong path. I think we all as gamers would like to see them improve but they need constructive criticism. Imagine if you didnt follow games on sites like this and you paid $60 for sea of thieves or state of decay 2 for your console. Thats a super shady stunt to pull on their own fans. Yeah, game pass is only $10 but they know what theyre doing. Releasing unfinished/rushed betas is dirty. Just so they can tout "day 1 exclusive releases"

[UCForce]

The thing is that Uncharted MP and The Last of Us MP are never ND primary focus. I didn’t like Uncharted 3 because it focus way too much on MP than Single Player. ND learned that lessons and went back their formula with Uncharted 4. ND games are always Single Play focus.

I didn’t like God Of War Acession for tacked on MP and people agree that God Of War Acession was the weakest of God Of War Series. Even new God Of War have come back stronger than ever by returning to old formula and reinvent the franchise.

[Xavi4K]

Well I played GOW for one month beated everything got platinum and now It’s on my shelf thats the problem with single player game the reputation for such games is limited unlike multiplayer games.

[Z501]

Did you get your money's worth?
How is that a problem?

[UCForce]

Well, it will be remember for many years to come. There is beginning and there is the end. So yes, God Of War is worth it.

[Liqu1d]

Sea of Theives is multiplayer, it's barren and has less content than most single player games. Lawbreakers, Battleborn, Evolve are multiplayer and they died quickly. People played them once and then never again.

[yeahright2]

Ok so now you're free to play Detroit, or persona, or Yakuza, or shadow of war and on and on. Why limit yourself to just one multiplayer title when you can play so much more?

[dreue]

Sorry but that is not a problem, there are space for any kind pf game, i love god of war, would never trade with the ones lile pugb, sea of thiefs or state, but again all can exist.... The problem with ms is that they dont care about games or gamers.....

[Xavi4K]

@z501

Well around 70 hour of playing GOW vs over 1.5k hour in battlefiled 1 is a big different...but I get your point you are right.

@UCfprce true I never said its not worth it

@Liqu1d sea of theives lack conrent so I won’t take that game most of the games you listed are failures at lunch... we can say the same toward many single player games meanwhile some aes like battlefield 1 and Destiny as well as FF XIV got + 1000 hours comparing to less than 100 hour in other games.

@yeahright

True I plan to get detroit once its on sale I beated the other games you listed while ago the obly game from your list that I see myself go back to it often is Yakuza probabbly for the mini games and for the fact that it remainds me of Shenmu

[AspiringProGenji]

That's not a problem. You consumed the product, and you can do ti as many times ad you want. NO extra fee, no Mts, no publisher trying to nickel and dime you. The End!

[SegaGamer]

Ok, so you got your fun out of GOW, now go play something else. Am i missing something here? why do gamers these days feel they must be limited to handful of games that they should be playing for months and months?

I play games that take me a few days to complete, i play games that take me a few weeks to complete, some games i play and complete and never play again, some games i come back to every so often to complete all over again.

I don't need my games to last me months. I love having having so many choices. I would get bored of gaming if i just played a handful of games for months and months.

[Vizigoth04]

So you'd rather play one game forever and ever and ever instead of getting the next new game out there and playing it? That's like reading one book over and over again but not reading a new one. That would be boring.

[rainslacker]

And when I play a MP game for that long, I tend to get bored with it as well, and once I put it on the shelf, I'm not likely to want to go back to it. In fact, the vast majority of people are like this, as a user base drops off sharply for any MP game after the first two months. They may still maintain a healthy user base, but it's not like people just play a game endlessly because there is a constant stream of content.

People get bored. people move on. People want to try new things. Whether its SP or MP, it doesn't matter.

[Rimeskeem]

Oh really? God of War doesnt have a content plan (none that has been said anyways) still sold extremely well and is a SP only game. Bullshit M$

[paintedgamer1984]

Not to mention Horizon Zero Dawn

[ludicrous]

Didn't HZD has DLC that released within a relatively same as other games with planned DLCs like witcher for example? Is DLC not considered contents? What is the purpose of HZD DLC? Do contents just appear out of nowhere without planning?

Can you elaborate on your reasoning for how DLC comes about if you dont have a plan?

[Liqu1d]

@ludicrous Horizon didn't have a DLC plan, there was no plans for DLC announced. A while after launch they then confirmed that they are working on DLC.

[showtimefolks]

And some on this site are expecting ms to make huge impact at E3. They have totally given up

[PhoenixUp]

I’ve seen Microsoft having trouble just managing its first party developers since 2007

[TFJWM]

People love Spencer but since he became the GM of Microsoft Studios in 2008 they have only gone downhill. And since he become head of Xbox he hasn't improved on them either.

[InTheLab]

People forget that he was apart of the crew that ruined Xbox. He comes along and reverses the horrible decisions that he himself was apart of and played the roll of "Just a gamer" and people bought it.

The guy has done nothing but release watered down Halos, unnecessary Gears, annual Forza franchise, canceled game after game, embarrassing titles billed as AAA, and backward compatibility which is pathetic as old games are the only good thing on Xbox.

[MasterCornholio]

“With games being as large as they are, with the move to games as an ongoing service…It is difficult to pivot quickly and try to chase after trends that might happen even on the scale of a year. In business terms a year can be a long time, but development time being three to four years these days, that’s the span we need to think about.”

That's an interesting direction for Microsoft.

[Srhalo]

It's the same direction they have been talking about for 3 years.

[UCForce]

And that’s something I’m just completely lost confidence on MS.

[Jinger]

So then they should have some decent stuff to show coming up, right? I guess this e3 will show if all that talk meant something.

[Srhalo]

I find it funny that there are people who think Microsoft has changed the plan or learned from recent events. That is not the case, Microsoft will continue to pursue games as a service. Nothing has changed from Phil's original messaging and it's been repeated over and over by all executive staff.

The people who were expecting a new set of single player announcements to rival Sony at E3 this year will be disappointed yet again.

[Jinger]

What does single player mean to you? Like, single player ONLY? No co-op, or a separate MP mode?

Just literally a single player and that's it? Because if you meant the latter then MS has plenty of those. If you mean Single Player ONLY then yeah... slim pickings.

[BlackIceJoe]

If MS was smart that'd make a Dinosaur game. Right now zombie games are huge, but the first one that can get out a Dinosaur game is going to bring in the big bucks. I can see many dinosaur games just like there is many zombie games. I can see an open world game like Far Cry where you kill Dinosaurs or a game like The Last of Us, but with Dinosaurs instead. Maybe a horror game like Silent Hill and it is shocking that type of game hasn't been made yet.

[Srhalo]

I think your on to something, except not just dinosaurs, robotic dinosaurs!

[Jinger]

Robots are boring tho, give me real dinosaurs

[BlackIceJoe]

That is a great game, but that isn't what I'm talking about and I'd like to See a pure dinosaur game instead. But with how many down votes I've gotten I guess I'm the only one.

Something like a real version of these demos, but be a new IP instead.

https://youtu.be/gIhT--qHQU...

https://youtu.be/J5f91H0c1i...

[IRetrouk]

That new Jurassic world game looks pretty cool

[ArchangelMike]

Check this out, someone's already thought of that.
Ark Survival Evolved - https://store.steampowered....

[BlackIceJoe]

Ark Survival Evolved is a great game, but I'm not a big fan of playing online and the reason I said what l said was, because MS believes you need those big online games and I think a good single player campaign game wouldn't ever need multiplayer at all. Look at Bethesda's Fallout, imagine instead of going out and instead of fighting Deathclaws you came across creatures like a carnotaurus or therizinosaurus. Seeing how cities survived and became their own hub like Diamond City or Megaton would be cool, then outside of the safezones you'd have find food, supplies and all at the same time wild humans and dangerous animals. I just personally feel like there is a lot of potential for a game like that, but seeing as that isn't what developers are working on I must be the only one that thinks a game like that could work.

[Rachel_Alucard]

So Turok?

[BlackIceJoe]

That would work and hopefully a developer will make one this generation, because all the Turok games are from the past console generations and it would be nice to see one that was for the PS4 and Xbox One. I understand there was the rerelease of the classic ones, but I so would enjoy seeing one built from the ground up utilizing the power of these consoles.

[mrmikew2018]

So you want them to make another Turok game?

[BlackIceJoe]

I honestly don't get how so many people can disagree with wanting true single player dinosaur game. I know people have said different games, but a lot them are from a different generation and the dinosaurs games that are out now aren't single player only.

[DialgaMarine]

So basically what they’re saying is they can only release quarter-assed games at a premium price, under the premise that the game will get better over time through updates and DLC? And what’s the guarantee that users who buy in will receive that support, if the game sells poorly and loses its player base like SoT? This is why people don’t trust GaaS. It’s one thing to have a solid core game, and then add DLC that expands and compliments the experience, but promises like this are almost never kept.

Here’s a thought: stop making garbage games that revolve around DLC. Get some real talent and make something good that people will want to play.

This is MS’s admission that they simply can’t produce any games of quality. I can’t for the life of me understand how there are still people that by this brand and would probably smack their own mother if they found out she didn’t like Xbox.

[LordJamar]

SOT already had a road map

[DialgaMarine]

So have many other games in the past, but a lot of them still offered a complete experience at launch. 4 1/2 years of development, and only offering 3 fetch quests and chasing around chickens is absolutely pathetic.

[dreue]

So from the beginning the cut stuff to had to the road map? How can you a road map if a game on launch is not finish?

[rainslacker]

I think I understand the problem here. MS is under the assumption that all games, and gamers by extension, need to have a 1-2 year content plan for their games. They believe that people aren't interested in games that have no MP, or no way to continue playing the same game for 1-2 years.

But recent events show that there are more than enough people that are fine with a one and done kind of experience. Or fine with expansive SP games that have plenty of content to keep them entertained for a while.

On top of that,MS is now pretty much committed to releasing all their new games on game pass....of course until they find a reason not to....so they need those games to have a 1-2 year content plan to keep people subscribed to their service, because they feel that people would prefer that service...or maybe just want people to use that service.

[Muzikguy]

MS doesn't seem to ever learn from their mistakes. How on one hand can they think that games need to have a year or 2 of extra content to get people to keep playing, but on the other hand release GaaS model and give gamers so many games to choose from it's no wonder they get bored fast. If they'd just release good games that people enjoy and stop trying to milk gamers for every dollar they can get on one single game they'd be in a better position. As it stands, I can't see the GaaS model being able to support great AAA games because incomes would be far more spread out even if the costs were less (to create games since you'd be making less essentially)

[Muzikguy]

@gamerzero

I agree. I don't trust Microsoft at all and wouldn't own an Xbox either because of it. They've been trying to force a future upon us and I'm glad that gamers have been putting up a fight over it. Their idea of the gaming future and GaaS is something I want no part of. I stick with Sony because of that (along with the great games they keep releasing). I'm not paying for online play either but that's mainly because I get plenty enjoyment from single player or local multiplayer games and the f2p ones. I've felt the same about competition too for awhile. Yes, it's good. Microsoft isn't trying to compete though. They'd rather take over and change everything.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@muziky

They are the reason we have microtransactions, paid online, and tons of other terrible industry norms. They just bring in things that maximize profits with disregard to the end user. They'll continue to do this until they leave the industry. Nothings changed

[yeahright2]

" How on one hand can they think that games need to have a year or 2 of extra content to get people to keep playing, but on the other hand release GaaS model and give gamers so many games to choose from it's no wonder they get bored fast."
Answer: gamepass. Release something bare bones like sea of thieves, you pay $10 to jump in, get bored quickly, but then you hear "new content is coming, we have a 2 year plan" So you re-up your subscription to play the new content, rinse and repeat.

[Muzikguy]

@yeahright

Exactly and that’s what I’m talking about with getting less games in the long run. Sooner or later with that model people would wise up (at least I would hope so) and start demanding more complete games right away instead of waiting and hoping things will change in the future

I was thinking more about this yesterday. Sony has gotten some bad press lately over some games that have been released and needed fixing post launch with content and other things. Even though they’ve worked through these and the games turned out great, it’s not something that Sony is trying to do. Microsoft on the other hand is actively saying that they want to release games this way. While not saying “incomplete” exactly, that’s still what they’re talking about. Especially with GaaS

[CrimsonWing69]

Right because God of War has that whole DLC plan, amirite?

This is why Sony is steamrolling Microsoft. I was a huge supporter of the Xbox 360 but this gen... woof... until MS does a 180 I’m pretty much over them.

[The_Jackel]

i donno MS
Nintendo and sony seem to be able to do it for the gamers, why cant you?
what was zelda botw 6 or so years?
horizon zero dawn 6 or so years
the last guardian 10 years
and even a 3rd party
final fantasy xv 10 years

we always seem to get the same old song and dance for a company that the fans keep reminding us about how much money the company has yet the company has nothing to show for it. the only thing ms has gotten right this gen is the adaptive controller the rest is just spew and excuses

[BlaqMagiq1]

Anyone that believes this is a certified idiot

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

Sony and Nintendo seem to manage.

[AspiringProGenji]

Yeah, releasing Sea of Thieves incomplete and State of decay with bugs is the way to go. Finish games later am i right?

no!
Glad I sold my xbox

[SquareBurgers]

I guess Microsoft is betting the future will be mostly multiplayer, just like they bet the future would be Kinect. They need better prognosticators.

[ILostMyMind]

I would play if it was free and on PS4.

[King_Lothric]

Xbox is going nowhere. Sinking ship. There is no sign that says otherwise.

[Italiano1234567]

Microsoft says some of the stupidest shit i swear.

[ghostrider32]

Xbox staff is proof that Zamasu did nothing wrong. What the hell is Microsoft Headquarters doing? They all need to be fired and replaced. Every single one of them.

[Godmars290]

*Dull surprise*

*Actually reads article*

Uh...Actually said "1-2 years" for a content plan. 1-2 years to consider content that will take 3-5 years to make for a game system expected to be on the market for upwards to 10 years...

**CANNOT PROCESS STUPID**
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**REBOOT**

This explains so much about MS...

[trooper_]

...They can't be serious with that comment.

[StormSnooper]

Seriously? They are complaining?

[GrimReaperGamer]

Comments like this from Microsoft is exactly why I want them to fall out of the console business and for Sega to make a magical return.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Man, I would love another PS/Ninty/Sega console rivalry!

[GrimReaperGamer]

Same man mainly because I'm a huge Sega fan. I spend more time playing my Genesis and Dreamcast over current gen consoles. I still have love for the Saturn too, just not as much as the other 2 because it lacked the support.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Man shut the fuck the Microsoft. This coming from a long time Xbox loyalist. You guys put no effort in.

[choujij]

Wow. Kudos to you for saying that.

[dreue]

I take out my hat... More xbox people need to see this

[chiefJohn117]

Without content plans? MS has their priorities messed up.

[deno]

I have my original xbox and 360, that's it fellas. Microsoft is next to dead in the console division. Look how bad the gaming has been on xbox one. Best of luck but I'll stick with Nintendo and Sony. Might even switch to mac from PC.

[MorpheusX]

Linux.

[deno]

At this point I would have to do more Linus research. I know it's a flexible OS.

[paintedgamer1984]

Oh ms how you never cease to amaze me with your fnckery...

[laoboy_Smoke]

Looks like all that purchasing/relying on 3rd party content from last gen and not investing in 1st party content (wisely) has finally caught up to big bad MS. I hope they turn it around next gen.. for gamers sake...

[Petebloodyonion]

Where did MS say in the article that they were stopping making some single player game?
FFXV is mostly a single player game and there's a 2 years plan.

And if they were?
Perhaps their numbers show that multiplayer game makes more profit compared to a single player game on Xbox?

[yeahright2]

"Perhaps their numbers show that multiplayer game makes more profit compared to a single player game on Xbox? "
Isn't that the problem? It seems kind of short sighted. You make more on this one game, hazaa! But then all your customers buy PS4's. God of war may not sell as much as COD, but when people see it, Detroit, spiderman etc, all highly anticipated and getting lots of love post release... Simply putting out a multiplayer title that you make an extra profit on and gets reviewed poorly because you decide to hold back content to release weeks after launch in hopes of retaining game pass subs because you see that as a money maker...
It's like Laden said "I could say, 'I heard about games as a service, make me one of those.'" But he doesn't there's more of a balance between what gamers want and what makes them money.

[dreue]

Dude first party games.... And well since thr launch of xbox one tell me a good single player experience from xbox one only? The ones like god of war, u charted, zelda etc? One game?

[Artemidorus]

2013-2018 and I don't see anything massive for change.

[RuleNumber5]

No. Just no.

[joab777]

Here we go again! They seem to right the ship and then we get statements like these.

[kevnb]

Here’s the thing that Microsoft doesn’t seem to get, if you want to do gaas successfully you have to make the consumer feel like it’s worth constant investment. This is why gta v is successful and games like destiny 2 die out after all the marketing hype is over.

[techsquisite]

Excuses. And pitiful ones at that.

[Urzusix]

Thank God that Sony and Nintendo and creating content

[Pancit_Canton]

Please Microsoft, get out of gaming business. You are no better than EA.

[Chocoburger]

This guy is full of crap. I gave up on Microsoft the day they revealed the disastrous Xbox One back in April 2013, this only confirms I made the right decision all those years ago.

[DivineAssault]

Theyre just trying to make me hate them at this point

[2pacalypsenow]

Sony doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

[neomahi]

Sony appears to be tearing it up. God of War, Detroit: Become Human, Spider-Man, Days Gone, The Last of Us: Part II, Concrete Genie, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, should I really go on? Difference is, Sony aren't picking consumers pockets with Microtransactions and so much friggin DLC. Microsoft simply doesn't care about consumers since the introduction of the Xbox One. They're still banking on their online service as their claim to fame, Xbox Live but PlayStation Network has surpassed it. Multi-player games are cheaper to develop, but that's not the demand. Sony are taking the gaming world by storm and character driven games are at the center. Sony doesn't need to worry about multi-player games, they just provide the online service, Activision takes care of the multi-player with Call of Duty and Destiny that make a ton of money, Sony gets a portion of those sales and more copies are sold on PlayStation hardware so, Sony only needs to focus on single-player games, that again are doing just fine.

[neomahi]

Oh shoot, my bad. How could I forget Dreams! They're PSVR is doing well, hopefully it doesn't go the way of the PS Vita, 3D, and PlayStation Move where they just tried to make a few bucks but this competes against: Annual Halo, Gears of War, YEARLY Forza where Sony paces themselves giving you a big experience while Microsoft gives you minor upgrades, like Madden or NHL games from EA, etc.

Let's face it, Sony - much like Nintendo actually - have been in the gaming business a while. They've cultivated relationships with studios, they've worked hard to earn trust, carve a name, and really bring games like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Tekken, Street Fighter, Crash Bandicoot, Grand Theft Auto, Need for Speed, Oddworld, Ridge Racer, Persona, I could go on forever. Sony made big names like Hideo Kojima and brought them to the forefront taking games into homes they may not have been in before. Unless you really lived in that time and era, you have no idea what Sony brought to the industry. And now, late comer Microsoft? Let's buy everyone up. We don't have years of experience so, let's dig deep in our pockets and do something called DLC. Microsoft want to act like they know the business but it's mimicking. Under Don Mattricks final years he tried to imitate Sony even more. He pushed to get Final Fantasy on an Xbox E3 stage and they've been their since, did they lose momentum on PlayStation? No, did Microsoft have to work hard over decades to earn their trust, nope. He went for the jab "please welcome on stage, my friend, Hideo Kojima." Phil Spencer had the nerve to introduce Insomniac on the stage mentioning their portfolio of Resistance and Ratchet and Clank. Guess what, publishers have producers. Sony had some definite input on those games in those series but without regret, forethought, and zero gratitude ran on stage to, and he certainly did, took a jab at Sony with Sunset Overdrive. Could the same be said of Sony with Bungie? Yes and no. Destiny was mostly Activisions call, Sony worked the deal with Activision and Activision voluntold Bungie. That's what people don't get. It took decades for Sony, Nintendo, and even Sega to establish relationships and work hard to make developers what they are today, and to see them carelessly head to the competition sours their integrity and their loyalty. They could thrive on Sonys console alone. There really wasn't any need to put Crash on the Switch and Xbox One. Their sales on PS4 were more than sufficient but, they're greedy. Bobby Kotick is still sitting in his office with that smug, maniacal, devilish look on his face like an a&$hole.

[meka2611]

That is some next level autism right there. Jesus that's a hell of a tirade

[dreue]

Man you shoudl be on top.....

[neomahi]

Well, what have Microsoft done? Alright, they created a controller for disabled gamers, that's good! But they're nickel and diming their consumers to death. They couldn't compete with Sony during the 360 era so they approached Rockstar with GTA IV and said: "Crap... You've been with Sony for years. We've got this idea we're toying with called DLC. It's like unlockables content on older games except now you pay for it. So our plan is this, direct your game, ya know cut out a few missions, and then sell it later. How we get around this is we tell consumers that following completion of the game you went hard back to work to create something more. We know this is bull crap because your team has been working on the game for five years and upon completion they go on vacation but, consumers don't know that. That's DLC!" Then, Microsoft watches the mobile market and pushes for Microtransactions. Sony are guilty of this as well with Uncharted, The Last of Us, and LittleBIGPlanet, but Microsoft have taken this to a whole new level. God of War and Detroit have Zero microtransactions and neither does Gran Tourismo Sport. Microsoft have enough money as is, they don't need to be finding excuses to tick on consumers, it just helps in the success of Sony of Nintendo, both of which must be sitting back in their offices looking out over Tokyo and thinking, "dang Microsoft, you just keep making my job easier and easier, you really have no experience and no business being in this industry but keep going because your incompetence just makes it all the sweeter." And to coin Phil Spencer is his interview with Geoff Keighley and Jack Tretton in his interview "For once, youre not kicking me in the shins" to Jack Tretton. No Phil Spencer, youre an incompetent and inexperienced retard kicking yourself in the shins. I think your bottom jaw is pulling your brain too hard up against your skull creating an inability to think and reason properly.

[TheColbertinator]

If the game launched from the start isn't good,there is no point for the DLC.

Its like FFXV. Sure you have tons of DLC but the truth is that the original core game was severely afflicted with problems. Square has spent years on DLC but the truth is people moved on.

Same with State of Decay,Destiny,Halo or The Division. Unless the launch is solid,all you will be doing in putiing band aids to stop bleeding fans

[Jinger]

So what about single player games where they bleed completely out a month down the road? Id rather have content plans to possibly go back to when I decide to revisit the game.

[TheColbertinator]

So avoid them. Avoid SP games that are not good. Avoid MP games that are not good. Choose what best suits you based on your lifestyle,genre preference,online features and sometimes eagerness to try a new type of game.

Expand your horizons beyond what Microsoft or Sony tell you to get. That goes without saying more.

[Razzer]

Aside from sports/racing games, I'd rather play a good game for a month than an average game for a year or more. And Microsoft has to prove to me that they have the ability to create great content before they ever mention a "content plan".

[Nyxus]

If a game is good you can always replay it. I just replayed Uncharted 4 and it was great, just like the first time.

[dreue]

Dude stop that, and go back to the shallow sea of thiefa, dude you have no clue what a good game is....

[Dragonscale]

I'd rather play a great game that lasts a month than waste 1 second on vapid bargain bin titles like sot or sod2. Tbh if I enjoy a single player game enough it gets revisited. I must have put hundreds of hours into the Souls games alone, great single player games tend to have a feature called replayability which doesn't always equate to just one playthrough. For a platform to truly thrive it has to have variety and great exclusives and great single player games as well as multiplayer. This narrative from ms is just the usual fud and excuses, the real reason is their lack of the studios, talent and patience to create great single player experiences. Its also all about the quick buck with ms. Sorry but after 3 generations in the console business there are no excuses.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

To the sdf referencing Gow, would you like to have the same game, plus a kick ass MP mode?

[AmUnRa]

I stopped reading after " to the Sony Defence Force.".🙄

[Razzer]

Nope. Game is awesome. Wouldn't change a thing.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

I didn't ask whether you'd change anything, I asked if you would like a great MP mode IN ADDITION TO the games great campaign.

[Razzer]

MP would have diverted time and resources away from SP. So my previous answer stands.

[SegaGamer]

No, i don't need or want multiplayer in every game i play.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

BULL..... SHIT. They could of put MORE resources in and had a great MP mode to go along with the stellar campaign. Basically, you are saying you don't want more of a great game.

[SegaGamer]

No, i'm saying i don't need or want multiplayer. I'm not a big fan of multiplayer anyway, i have always preferred single player and always will. I don't even bother playing multiplayer that has been shoehorned into single player games. If it's an option, it's usually an option i don't even bother with. I don't get much joy out of playing multiplayer games.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

So would you take away tlou MP mode? I mean, that was 1 of the greatest sp games of all time, but it had a MP mode. I don't understand how you correlate a good sp campaign with no MP mode.

[SegaGamer]

Take it away, keep it, i don't care in all honesty, i still wouldn't play it. Like i said, i don't need multiplayer in single player games because the majority of the time i wouldn't use it.

[Dragonscale]

No thanks.

[owwie]

Well maybe if they didn't send their first party IPs they acquired into the bin they would have something. They killed perfect dark, they killed conquer, banjo kazooie, and other IPs. They have themselves to blame for acquiring and destroying those IPs.

They should've focused on making their console stand on its own instead of trying to imitate and destroy the competition.

[Tross]

Maybe you can make a AAA game for a change and then we can talk. When was the last one? You know what's less profitable than singleplayer games? Not releasing any games period. You will get zero from the forced MTs in a game that doesn't exist.

[bluefox755]

Translation: It's difficult to make a game that's actually a complete game upon release, because then how will you monetize it?

[zodiac909]

They better start making those plans soon if they expect to compete in the console market.

[chris235]

my job is difficult, too. so please stfu and either leave gaming completely or, you know, do something.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This entire thread is comical to read. A few intelligent comments / criticisms amongst a myriad of "I hate them ....boo!"" comments.

[Platformgamer]

sorry microsoft, i don't want games that needs 2 years to be complete

[Xavi4K]

As much as many people disagree with what’s in the article...everything there is true a prove of that is the number of people watching games on Twitch at this moument the top five games in twitch are multiplayer games....so if that tell us something it tell us that people go more with multiplayer games rather than songle player games.

[Razzer]

And the top four are free to play. Which tells us people like free games. Hardly a shocker, but not something I would be drawing many conclusions from. And there is a difference between what people want to watch and what people want to play.

[SegaGamer]

Watching games and playing games a two totally different things.

[rainslacker]

Hooray. Top viewed game is relevant to me how? I play games, not watch them.

All the twitch metric says is that more people spend time watching MP games.

[Mister_Wolf]

You fuckers.

It's because you hardly have any studios anymore.

You've relied on the same fucking franchises for 3 generations now. And any new ones you try to start you rush out, any new ones that are good, don't seem have have a follow up investment in them.

This is pure bullshit, and laziness to be frank.

Let's see what turds of bullshit they serve up this E3.

[doggo84]

Lol

[PETE1985]

I have an Xbox one X and enjoy playing on it but the platform most definitely does need strong single player games (like the plethora of games that PS4 has now and planned for the future).
I agree that online games might generate more revenue over the extended life time that people play them and they are not going anywhere.
That being said, there is definitely room in the market for these and single player (as Sony has proven with fantastic sales for single player games).
I don’t have time to play online games really and I love a good single player game.
If I’m only going to get those from 3rd parties on the Xbox then I will get a PS4.
Xbox fans need to be vocal about this and Microsoft really needs to listen.

[spambot0815]

it's also difficult to convince myself to spend any money on microsoft products.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

more bs from MS.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

More Corporate PR...Nintendo and Sony have no issues with this, as a platform holder MS acts like a third party...at this point they would be better off. Their suits simply do not get gaming at all, thus their position in the industry these days. MS does not want to invest in games they cannot nickle and dime through Micros...it's sad. All they end up doing is competing with more popular third party's, meanwhile all types of gamers flock to nintendo and Sony/

[iplay1up2]

It really sucks. Microsoft had a chance with State of Decay. I played an hour and was bored. Sea of Thieves NEEDS a single player camp. Not all of us play with others all the time.

[FernDiggidy]

Now this???? MS, what the f$ck happened to you?

[iplay1up2]

As , a owner of XB1 X. I say to Microsoft, Nintendo says hello.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Umm Sony?

[Stanjara]

Oh shut up!

[Saranya]

Oh Booty, You're wrong and get the F out of Xbox please.

[dreue]

Lol excuses every where from ms..... Sad.......

[PGRfox]

I am so sick of their excuses. I am seriously considering trading my One X for a Pro. I'm just waiting to see if they drop the price of the Pro at E3. Enough is enough.

[SixFragz]

M$ should just keep its mouth shut at this point, it's just digging a deeper hole for itself.

Just stop. No need for the bs excuses, it just makes them look worse. Just be silent, don't say anything at all.

But somehow, someway, in whatever dimension they live in, Xboners will still find a way to defend this weak excuse. And as long as they continue to defend the fail that is M$, more mediocrity will be released under their failing brand Xbone.

[corroios]

Game set and done. For all that are waiting for many SP games at E3, well better buy another console. That ship is gone.

Microsoft gold are MP games and nothing else. Games where they could get money with tons of microtransactions, games that can be launch without content, but with the idea that later it will have... Money, money and money and more money.

Get ready for Halo Battle Royale, Gears Battle royale, Forza demolition derby battle royale and so on.

[tontontam0]

MS: it is easier to rack in cash if we go GAAS, even with less than half the install base of ps4, our games are effectively milking our fanbase so we earn more than sony.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

But they are earning way less then sony as well...

[jcole97]

It’s crazy how microsoft just doesn’t get it

[Psychosious]

You know when a Microsoft executive is telling you a lie??? when their mouth opens up. Microsoft turned me off 4 years ago with the no trade bs, I’m not coming back they can eat my @$$.... I had 45k gamer score on Xbox 360, I’m not biased, and I am surely not an idiot.

[MilkMan]

MS is done. The only way I can see MS staying in the game business is if they give away the hardware and have people pay for software.

[neomahi]

Ya know, now that I think about it, they need games like these. If they don't have these, it hurts their bottom line in where they really make all of their money. Since the original Xbox, piggybacking off of SEGA, Microsoft consoles and their services have ALWAYS been about Xbox Live. Where they make most of their money, probably their biggest return on investment more than they care to reveal. If experiences go back to single-player based ones, then that hurts their biggest money making business service. So they really rely on marketing this aspect heavily while you really can tell Sony and Nintendo don't care. PlayStation Network exists to make some money sure, but it's not the priority. Nintendo, the same because everyone else is doing it and it's expected but Nintendo is about spending time with the family on the couch, while PlayStation is about locking yourself away. Developers tell Sony they want to create something meaningful, they want to use their creativity and Sony buys that and clearly finds that profitable and has the resources to accomplish that. Nintendo as well. I wonder if Sony are finding either 1) Their PlayStation Plus subscriptions don't really sell and thus aren't so profitable or gamers are renewing their subscription less frequently. Microsoft perhaps knows this and don't want to see it happen so they have to base their game design on requiring online for the "best" experience. The Division was heavily marketed by Microsoft and not so much Sony because of the dependence on online while Sony heavily marketed Watch Dogs. Microsoft doesn't want to lose their bread and butter problem is, gamers are seeing what Sonys doing and are saying "We want that". Single-player games do require more money. Actors, etc. that cost a lot of money. Multi-player games are created by very small studios and are much cheaper no doubt.

[welly300]

Wow has this guy, seen the sales of first party single player games on Nintendo's switch. Gow on ps4 is doing fantastic. Just shows how out of touch Microsoft are.

[DJ_Professor_K]

Microsoft is still playing games with their customers instead of making them they don’t deserve to be in the game industry at this point they really don’t have the respect or the love for the business

[babadivad]

It's true. Kinda

[quenomamen]

Guess its easier to put out a new console every 3 years.

[SirBradders]

God of war, horizon, bloodborne, nioh, nier, grand turismo, monster hunter, resident evil 7, last of us... Etc all say hi.

[zarbor]

MS watch your XB1 gamers say bye.

[zarbor]

Well, based on what MS does at this E3, the XB1X might be my last MS console for a while. They seem to be going in a different direction than my gaming taste and I'm about to bounce. I normally get all the consoles. Already got me a PS4 Pro and I am about to get a Switch but waiting for the Metroid game and one other exclusive that ain't Mario to be announced this E3.

Back to MS, they hired this dude named Booty (not kidding...you can't make this up) and I read his comments from an interview and its seemed to have confirmed my suspicion with MS all along. They cannot make great AAA single player exclusive games and they aren't going to try anymore. They have failed over and over again and Mr. Matt Booty who is now the head of Game Studios could not have made that any clearer to me at least. I think they have thrown in the towel on great single player experiences and will leave that up to third party studios. The final nail for me will be this E3 and the announcement of XB1 exclusive games.

MS always was about LIVE and every game they do has to have a big LIVE presence. Not a problem with me but I need balance. I need great single player games that is exclusive to each console that I can't get on the other consoles. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore with the XBOX platform. They have not produced a great single player exclusive experience in years. Even when they produce an average one like Quantum Break, these clowns refuse to invest in the franchises to make them into AAA games. We will never see part two to this game. Here are a few more like it to name, Ryse:Son of Rome, ReCore, Sunset Overdrive and of course we all know what happened to Scalebound that never even made it.

Sony on the other hand understands there are huge number of gamers that love those AAA single player games. Its what made console gaming. Its why they invest in a number of them and to be fair a few of them do fail. They also know that's what separates them from XBOX and will continue to crush them when it comes to installed user base. I ain't mad at MS, they have to choose. I think they have, and it will be time for me to choose as well. They seem to want to play to their strength, cater to a specific group of gamers and really believe in esports as the future. Not liking the smell on this one so I hope they make it very clear next week at E3. Mr. Booty seem to be leaning that way strongly so we will see if MS exclusives will follow. I fully expect if the exclusives are not up to snuff for gamers, there will be a ton of Booty jokes to be had......

[Chexs1990]

God of War, Horizon, Persona... Go home MS, you're drunk

[SublimeStylee2]

MS has had years to watch how Sony does it with success, crushing xbone every month for years, and yet many years later they produce nothing but flops and barely invest in the games. The whole gaming division at MS needs to be reworked its an embarrassment to gamers.

[EpicFruityPie]

why do I keep hearing online articles saying we don't want SP games when most of everyone I know love SP on the basis that there are no winning little kids screaming down the mic etc
I love getting a new SP game and starting a party chat and chatting to my mates about it while we play
and SP game often have more content then MP because they don't have to focus on online stability

in fact I would say we need more SP games also being a shift working in a hospital its easy to come home and unwind on SP over MP when you have to invest more time I play MP more on my days off in games where you can just have my mates and I so we can get away from the 12 YO and the stupid parents allowing them to play R rated games and ruining it

[warriorcase]

Sounds like a change of management is needed.

[Einhander1971]

Come on Microsoft you've had more than 2 years to build the foundations of some AAA games. It's all poor excuses I'm afraid. From the original Xbox Microsoft should of been planting the seeds for strong amazing games like Sony have been doing.