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10 Developers That Have Never Made a Bad Game

Greysun from Twinfinite writes: “There are a ton of amazing developers who have created superb games, but a lot of these developers have had some rough patches, and there are some who are just consistent and always on their game.”

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FallenAngel19842293d ago

“With games like Chinatown Wars, L.A. Noire, Red Dead Redemption, Vice City Stories, San Andreas and Grand Theft Auto IV under their belt, Rockstar North knows how to deliver a great game.”

Rockstar North didn’t develop L.A. Noire, Team Bondi did.

_-EDMIX-_2292d ago

Saw that too.

It's very questionable when you have an article trying to talk about development teams yet their actually uneducated on who actually made those games. 😂😂😂

Something is wrong when the comments have to correct you, I would argue it's easier to just read the comments to get a good sense of this than the article itself.

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thorstein2292d ago

Oh, look, the ten people that are affiliated with Twinfinite downvoted you. Weird how it is always 10 downvotes anytime someone calls them out specifically. Lulz.

_-EDMIX-_2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

@thor- exactly ,why are they even mad? They're the ones who wrote an article without even researching even slightly who even makes those games..

I mean at this point it make more sense to just have me and Fallen just make our own list and thoroughly research the development teams as opposed to just writing an article based on assumptions.

To my understanding it was Rockstar San Diego that made Red Dead Redemption.

I'm also positive it was Rockstar Leeds that made Chinatown Wars

Even if somebody wanted to argue that Rockstar North gave assistance will Sony Santa Monica in many teams at Sony actually give assistance to various games, but we do not see "giving assistance" to a game as being the actual team that developed the game.

Microsoft has been known to have some of their team members give assistance for stuff like Dead Rising no different than Sony can actually be seen in the credits of some of their Developers for the Yakuza series or even the Metal Gear Solid series.

It is not out of the ordinary for a third-party sometimes to outsource certain team members if they need help. Rockstar North is no different but at the end of the day we cannot literally say Rockstar North alone developed a Red dead Redemption or Bully or LA Noire or anything like that.

If they want to talk about Rockstar North develop games in regards to them being the primary developer I mean that sounds like an interesting article but this sounds like a bunch of uneducated assumption. I mean they seem to have more disagrees than they actually do real logical reasoning on why they believe I'm wrong.

Keep in mind nothing is wrong with disagreeing everybody is fair to agree or disagree.

lex-10202292d ago

Same with Ninja Theory, Does no one remember Enslaved Oddesy to the West?

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lptmg2292d ago

plus they developed a very bad game for the Dreamcast called Wild Metal Country, but I bet the guy who wrote this thinks Rockstar North started making games only 15 years ago...

coffeemaster2292d ago

I wrote this and when I added Rockstar North to the list, I only counted games that were developed under the name of “Rockstar North.” Wild Metal Country was technically not a rockstar game

DogJosha2292d ago

@coffee
Put your personal opinion aside for a minute. DmC would be found on a top 20 most hated games list at a minimum, if not the top 10. I never even got into old DMC myself, although I enjoyed what little I played a long time ago, and I found it to be irredeemable. Gameplay felt poorly designed Donte was especially unbearable. Why are you putting games that the gaming community largely hates on a "never made a bad game" list?

mcstorm2292d ago

Tbh this is subject to personal preference. I've never liked a rock star game but then loved over games lots of people have hated so this is just one guys opinion rather than a statement

_-EDMIX-_2292d ago

@coffee- I'm sorry buddy but there's just no excuse for this actually research who makes those games because this is just riddled with inaccuracies.

Rockstar North never actually developed LA Noire you're thinking of a team called the team Bondi.

Nothing's wrong with making an article like this but if you're going to make a statement regarding a game a team developed you actually need to make sure you're even talking about the entire team.

This article basically ignores team Bondi Rockstar Leeds Rockstar San Diego and so much more

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DarXyde2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

Sorry to quote you, but I'm only doing so because Twinfinite is being stupid (again) and I'd like as many people to see this without spending time going through the pages.

The list...

1. Sucker Punch
2. Retro Studios
3. Ninja Theory
4. Monolith Soft
5. Media Molecule
6. Team Ico/genDESIGN
7. ThatGameCompany
8. Kojima Productions
9. Rockstar North
10. Rocksteady

You have ads on your website and you STILL have page click-throughs. Eat me.

_-EDMIX-_2292d ago

Exactly on top of that the article is just completely riddled with inaccuracies and literally misinformation they don't even know who develops these damn games.

Smh

This is the type of stuff that needs to be denied from being actually approved.

If you make an article it needs to be a single page if it's going to be a list as opposed to trying to abuse.

If it's a long article sure two pages is no problem but there's no damn reason why somebody has a list of something like this with multiple Pages for each individual item. If somebody wants to create a website that's devoted to this type of stuff I mean they're free to do that but I don't believe this website in general should be approving articles like this. Especially with the amount of misinformation on this article itself I mean dear God you could simply go on a Wiki or look at the back of the game you own to see who developed it to prove this wrong.

Rachel_Alucard2292d ago

Media Molecule made a very forgettable game called puppeteer and I had no idea it even came out because they showed it back when PS move was being spammed and nobody wanted it. I personally did not like Infamous: Second son because they removed all the side quests and just made a smaller map then previous entries and just filled it with the same Ubisoft style collectathon crap. You can say these devs never made a bad game I'll say, but they've made at least few average games. Also DmC is garbage.

DarXyde2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

Rachel_Alucard,

I have to disagree with you on Puppeteer. I thought it was a fun, whimsical game (but for the record, wasn't that Sony Interactive that made it?). Played it on Plus and enjoyed it.

Different strokes, I guess.

_-EDMIX-_2292d ago

@Rachel_Alucard-"did not like Infamous: Second son because they removed all the side quests and just made a smaller map then previous entries"

huh?

Ummm ok. So confirmed you never actually played the game huh? Second Son is BIGGER then Infamous 2 by about 50%, but...I guess you know more then the developer. Check out the mark 48:11 please, that is the developer literally confirming the map is bigger.

No side quest? oh wow, this is just insane sooooo you literally don't know Second Son has side quest? "removed all the side quest" that doesn't look like "removed" to me.

No issue if you personally don't like it, it happens, but lets not lie about facts please, this is just sad and makes no sense. So literally lying about size or content when facts show otherwise.

http://infamous.wikia.com/w...

http://www.ign.com/articles...

Rachel_Alucard2291d ago

@Ed_mix

Why are you in every single article ready to defend any given comment? What I played was worse then what I played in the previous entries. Leave it at that instead of going off in an autistic information dissection. This is a video game not a private investigation

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AspiringProGenji2293d ago (Edited 2293d ago )

Rocksteady? Batman Arkham Knight was a dissapointment.

Deep-throat2293d ago

It wasn't bad. Uncharted 4 was a big disappointment but it wasn't bad...

doos_vd_kak2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

haven't seen many games that comes near Uncharted 4 this generation.

doos_vd_kak2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

Uncharted 4 is a masterpiece and it tears you to pieces which is always great to see :) 8 million plus copies sold. 93% score. Shame man, and you won't respond because you know whenever you comment, it's merely worthless dung

TallonIV2292d ago

Agreed Uncharted 4 was a big disappointment. Really enjoyed 1-3 but 4 took a step back.

Razzer2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

Amusing seeing those who are far from fans of PlayStation call UC4 disappointing. Funny, but not surprising

Rachel_Alucard2292d ago

I agree with @Deep-throat and I don't care if everyone just cries troll or accuses me of not being a playstation fan. Game was just boring and the the revealed script change made everything worse. They had a trailer for the uncharted series released in 2013 that had Sam speaking as the villain before they changed everything. Really disappointed by that and the multiplayer requiring ungodly amount of grind to get anything.

AspiringProGenji2291d ago

@Razze

I know! It’s been a known trend since the game came out.

@Rachel

Ok that’s your opinion but really? A cancelled script made the final game worse? Did you really play the game at all? The final game was a solid one without henning. It is time to stop crying for what never happened

Rachel_Alucard2291d ago

@Genji

A cancelled script that was far more interesting by comparison to what we got. Everything in 4 is too by the books and expected. Only twists were minor and weren't shocking to me. I know you guys jump to the "You didn't play it" line every-time someone criticizes a supposed "GOTY" winner but this isn't a Krabby patty catch all world.

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chaos-emeralds2292d ago

Arkham knight was amazing. What's wrong with you?

aarogree2292d ago

A disappointment of a game and a bad game are two different things. A disappointment is a game that fails to live up to expectations. A bad game is, well, a bad game.

Rachel_Alucard2292d ago

Those bat-mobile sections were really never-ending and they used them way way too much, and the reveal of the Arkham knight was a huge letdown.

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porkChop2293d ago (Edited 2293d ago )

Ninja Theory made the trash DMC reboot. Rockstar North made some trash before hitting their stride with GTA and changing their name to Rockstar North. Rocksteady made Urban Chaos: Riot Response, which was also pretty trash.

Every dev makes a bad game. And if there's a dev who hasn't done so yet, one day they will. It's only human to make mistakes. Even Naughty Dog started out with "Math Jam" for the Apple II, followed up with "Dream Zone", back when they were JAM Software.

Segata2292d ago

Don't forget Way of the Warrior from Naughty Dog. Easily one of the worst MK clones.

AsunaYuukiTheFlash2292d ago

Naughty Dog didn’t develop WOTW Jam Software did 😁

lptmg2292d ago

@Asuna nope, Naughty Dog made that game. Not only that, but the guy who directed it was Crash and Jak's own Jason Rubin...

SurgicalMenace2292d ago

Way of the Warrior was, in fact, a parody of Mortal Kombat. It was never meant to be taken seriously. Lmbo I loved everything it did when I purchased it at 11.

jmtstan2292d ago

@Asuna, back when Naughty Dog was called JAM, they made these games.

Yui_Suzumiya2291d ago

Way of the Warrior is classic though. I've been wanting to play it since it was in development.

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aarogree2292d ago

DMC wasn't trash. It wasn't great, but it was far from trash. It's marred by annoying characters, but the combat is fairly solid, the levels are gorgeous, and the story could be one of the best in the Devil May Cry series, but then again it never was big on story to begin with so that's not too difficult a feat.

Cyro2292d ago (Edited 2292d ago )

DMC reboot is actually good. Don't knock it down before you try it.

porkChop2292d ago

I do have the game. I really didn't enjoy it. The visuals were great, but everything else fell short for me.

Yui_Suzumiya2291d ago

DmC is awesome and everything Rockstar has developed is crap except for the Red Dead series and they helped with L.A. Noire which is amazing too.

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Segata2292d ago

Sucker Punch, Second Son is awful it suffered from what so many open world games suffer from, little variety and just a checklist of icons on the map. Ninja Theory made Kung Fu Chaos and the terrible DmC, Rockstar, State of Emergency was trash. Before ANYONE says Naughty Dog...Way of The Warrior exists. As much as I love Monolith, Xenosaga II wasn't great and Project X Zone games are not good. I own both.

SurgicalMenace2292d ago

You guys are aware that those games were "bad" because most of them were self funded, right? If you've ever owned your own business, it is a fact that your first outings are rough ones. So they are not bad, just underfunded. Look at them now. If half of people would realize that it takes money to make money, they'd be better off. What's bad about putting out your best efforts to become great?

Segata2292d ago

You don't need millions to make a good game. You need millions to make a bigger budget game. If money determined if a game is good then Undertale would be a pile of crap.

Rachel_Alucard2292d ago

It takes time and talent to make money. You can make fantastic low budget titles if you are smart about it and manage your time. Self publishing has nothing to do with it if you just look at many of the popular indie games we've gotten over the years.

SurgicalMenace2291d ago

Look at computing now compared to then, you might as well have been developing in the dark compared to now.

Knushwood Butt2292d ago

Playing Second Son now and it is far from awful.

Little variety is a valid comment but game is enjoyable and well made. Looks great too.

KillZallthebeast2292d ago

i love a few devs, but they aren't immaculate all of them have made 1 bad game. They usually learn from it.

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Why is Steam Blocked in Vietnam? Government Shares Reason

Finally, the Vietnamese government has officially responded to Steam being blocked in the country.

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blacktiger1d 13h ago

AMAZING! Thank You Gabe, stand for freedom of speech!!!!

PRIMORDUS1d 13h ago

VPN to buy games, fuck that if it's allowed or not, or just use a VPN and torrent what you can.

seanpitt231d 1h ago

I just cannot believe we haven't had a game from them this generation nearly 4 years in.. crazy!

Knightofelemia1d 6h ago

If the game is crap then yes there will always be negative feedback it comes with the territory. It's called word of mouth or welcome to the internet. Where the truth about a game comes out really fast whether the game is good or crap. If you can't handle the criticism because of a game then why publish the game. Why should people who never criticized or even played the game be punished? Vietnam has some really screwed up laws block Steam because they don't answer us rule. And going on a witch hunt with Steam please. Where's the proof, where's the evidence of this witch hunt. Somebody is butt hurt and has a Vietnamese Karen leading the witch hunt.

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS72d ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Darkegg2d ago

Value of AI and value of humans will both be increased with human-AI complex. Each, by themselves, will not be independently better than the other. Whether AI will ever be independent from humans is the fear question of humans, ironically because of our doing. At this stage, most of the doing is because of humans, not because of AI. AI is doing exactly that by our design, until we have failed ourselves with an AI development that went awry. The biggest take is that humans have only ourselves to blame when things become wrong, and we have to decide what is the ultimate goal with AI we want to accomplish. It would take a person with high morals and high ethics to make right of AI. I would not want businessman to decide what AI should do or what capabilities it can have. AI should be in the hands of people with high moral fiber, or those operating on love, kindness, and compassion.

BlackOni2d ago

AI is SUPPOSED to be used as a tool, not a replacement. It's designed to do two important things artists can take advantage of immediately.

- Make the ideation/reference imaging process much quicker and easier (basically using it as a google search)
- Make mundane and time consuming tasks faster and easier so more time is spent on creation.

Unfortunately, what many have done is used it as a way to replace rather than supplement.

Einhander19722d ago (Edited 2d ago )

CS7

In the ideal world yes.

In the real world where companies have shown little desire to innovate and spent every effort to maximize profits the end result will be the same quality games (if were lucky) made by less people and more AI.

Company Real World: Fires 200 people and makes the same game cheaper using AI and the executives get record bonuses.

Edit:

Lets look at history, specifically auto manufacturing.

In the 70's and 80's the auto unions tried to oppose automation of jobs (robots) stating that they would take peoples jobs. And the people in charge who wanted to make more money said the exact same types of things that are being said about AI. But we can look at history and see that countless types of jobs were in fact replaced by automation, that was of course even compounded upon by computers.

The net effect was that the rich got richer less jobs were needed so wages were forced down by competition for the jobs that were left.

hombreacabado1d 19h ago

that concept works in the initial beginning phase of AI but once AI learns and surpasses the knowledge and coding expertise of even the best human employee than this CEO will no longer need competent humans in that line of work.

Extermin8or3_1d 17h ago

@Hue_My£D_Long

Yes but that is a choice then by massively increased productivity and this greater income and wealth and stagnating with similar levels of productivity and output and not creating much wealth. Usually the option that creates wealth prevails because a rising tide raises all ships.

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Number1TailzFan2d ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

senorfartcushion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

He doesn't, he's just lying. These people lay people off so they can get bonuses. If AI takes jobs, their bonus goes bigger and the workforce goes smaller.

porkChop2d ago

Because he sees AI as a tool to aid development. He wants to use AI to help make bigger and better games in the same timeframe. Other CEOs want to replace devs with AI to cut costs and make lifeless games faster for a quick buck. Strauss has the right idea, this is how AI should be used. To extend and expand the capabilities of devs.

neutralgamer19921d 18h ago

There will be few companies who will go overboard and try to replace their employees with AI tech. The ones that will make the most money will be the ones that utilize ai, along with their employee talent, to make the best product possible

AI could handle some of the most time consuming processes. To expediate the development, so in return, costing the publisher's last money end time.

Extermin8or3_1d 17h ago

Not reliably they haven't. Coding done by ai is generally abysmal for all but the most generic tasks.

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jambola2d ago

Ceo says stupid thing
Part 5837384

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

DarXyde1d 22h ago

I think you mean candor, not intelligence.

If you take him to mean what he's saying at face value, sure.

I don't. And I think he's clearly lying.

romulus232d ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody2d ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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Every PlayStation Studios game available now on Windows PC

Windows Central writes: "Many PlayStation Studios games that are ported to PC get dedicated PS5 DualSense support, which allows users to experience haptic feedback and adaptive trigger support without actually having to own a PS5.

According to Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, it's still the company's intent to launch the bigger single-player games on PS5 first, before later bringing the games to PC. This might not be the case for multiplayer games however, which are considered okay to launch simultaneously on console and PC."

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ocelot074d ago

My guess is after god of war. Probably last of us 2 that's a almost 4 year old game now and by the time it's released on pc it will be more than 4 years old or close to 5.

Elda3d ago

Every old Playstation game that is now on PC.

shinoff21833d ago

Right. I definitely see what a headlined from a website named windows central was trying to do though. It's cute little wordplay to help out the green box

Flewid63811h ago(Edited 11h ago)

They are a unique website for sure.

Flewid6383d ago

Are PlayStation games no longer good or worth playing once they are old?

Elda3d ago

I'm guessing my comment went over your head.

Flewid63818h ago

I'm guessing you were never really saying anything that made sense.

Elda18h ago

You're still ranting on an old article. Your comment to me 2 days ago didn't make any sense including this recent one. It's time to move on, get out of your basement & go on about life.

Flewid63811h ago

Ooof, I had no idea you were this down bad. Sorry to hear you hate life.

Ah well....stay salty! 👍

Elda9h ago

"You were this down bad" What does that even mean? LMFAO!! Please learn how to articulate words in sentences or better yet take some English classes.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good at least they can sell hardware