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Why Microsoft knows it needs to beef up its Xbox leadership

VB: "Microsoft announced today that Phil Spencer has appointed a new boss of games to handle the role that the executive had previously handled as head of the company's games business. I talked with both Spencer and Booty in an interview, as both me explained what the changes will mean for Microsoft’s game business and all of the developers and executives reporting to them."

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Gazondaily2335d ago

" but it’s also become very clear to me that we’re going to invest more in content, which we are doing, and that a unified studios leadership organization was going to be critical to our long-term success."

Agreed- a unified leadership well enable MS to focus on its end goal, particular regarding new content.

" Matt is in charge of our current game content portfolio, but also, as we invest more in content to drive our gaming ambition, he will play the leadership role in driving that growth."

This will help with more accountability rather than the blunderbuss being pointed squarely at Spencer.

"On the creative side, I’ve always had a golden rule, to stay out of the way of game teams as far as where they go with design and the craft of making their games. "

Tis a good attitude to have. As a dev you dont want the higher-ups to be too invasive on your efforts. Unless you're Peter Molyneux; in which case you need someone sitting on your head as you create a pile of shite lathered in hubris.

Well lets see how Booty fares. The results will speak for themselves.

Godmars2902335d ago

While the only thing that's going to prove anything are results, if the "exclusives don't matter" mentality persist, if they only focus on online MP, this new effort to "fix their s**t" is going to fails just like all of the others.

Obscure_Observer2335d ago (Edited 2335d ago )

@Godmars290

Save us from hypocrisy. I can see the fanboys trolling the new Xbox games as soon as it get announced. Be that Single or Multiplayer.

Godmars2902335d ago (Edited 2335d ago )

@Obscure_Observer:
If a game is good, sells well, what difference will fanboy squawking make? Except to other equally asinine and thin skinned fanboys of course.

Using a hot button as example, the argument may go on and on about how much better Forza is than GT, but at the end of the day there's really little difference between them.

bluefox7552335d ago

They want GaaS because it's more profitable, but unfortunately for them, this doesn't seem to be what the majority of gamers want.

TheCommentator2335d ago

When you refer to exclusives, Godmars, are you referring to MS 1st party only being released on Xbox?

I don't personally mind if someone can buy an Xbox game for their PC. I'll still buy the next Xbox over a PC to play MS games, as will many others, but having more game sales only gives more profits to the developers to continue making games with. I only see advantage to Xbox/PC as a singular community. Even Sony fans with a PC will help pay for MS to make Xbox games if they purchase the PC versions.

OTOH, I agree that diversity and quality will make a big difference in whether MS succeeds or fails to capture gamers interest again. So far, this generation has been mostly failed attempts at releasing new IP, cancellations, and sequels that no longer hold the same appeal that they once did. MS definitely has their work cut out for them if they want to turn things around but please don't expect things to be better overnight, as it took MS ten years to sink this low.

AngelicIceDiamond2335d ago

"exclusives don't matter" mentality persist"

Wait whoa who has this mentality? Everyone knows MS needs the games.

Godmars2902335d ago

@TheCommentator: Would be best for the platform to make it the priority over PC. If MS is going to keep in an all access direction, that what games they offer will end up under performing against the PS4 is just something that they, and their fans, are going to have to accept.

@AngelicIceDiamond:
That's been MS's motto since the 360. Nevermind the irony of them buying and relying on limited exclusive content. Repeatedly presenting themselves as the best platform for 3rd party while actively ignoring SP 1st and 2nd party titles.

TheCommentator2335d ago

@ Godmars290

I'm assuming you're talking about console sales underperforming, because game sales performance would rise with the addition of PC sales and graphics performance is only limited by the device it's played on (or lazy developers, I suppose). I don't know, I guess I don't see total console sales as a big deal as long as I'm happy with my purchase and the exclusives MS offers (which I am) and MS has a profitable ecosystem to keep my system of choice alive (which they do).

Godmars2902335d ago

@TheCommentator:
Talking about hardware performance only.

darthv722335d ago

Which exclusive mentality godmars? The PS side who thinks exclusives are the ONLY thing that matters and define them as not being on anything but PS. Or the XB side who feel exclusives just dont carry the same weight as they once did and define them as just not being on any other console (they see PC like Switzerland: neutral territory).

Godmars2902334d ago

@darthv72:
How many times do have to repeat MS saying "exclusives don't matter" for it to sink in that MS said it?

And its not about exclusives, but game diversity. MS isn't doing anyone any favors by being overly focused on arena MP, just as Sony isn't by repeatedly remaking SP story driven set pieces from Uncharted to Last of Us or the new version of God of War.

At this point 3rd party titles give systems more meaning than AAA where AAA get most of the attention. And the issue with that, because MS turns their noses up at such leaving Sony - and now Nintendo - to pick up those "crumbs" there's more consideration towards them taking 3rd instead of leading it.

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Angainor72335d ago

After a great generation with Xbox 360 which managed to keep the crown of the total sales until the very end and with lower specs and install base than Playstation' s, then came the Don Mattrick fiasco which cost a generation to Microsoft. It needs time to make a comeback. The comeback, finally, came with the X. A beautiful, powerful and very precise console, what the original Xbox One and true successor to Xbox 360 should have been. Now that they did the hardware right and building the foundation for the next gen, it's time to build on games. Gears of War, Forza Motorsport / Horizon & Halo are critical franchises just like God Of War, Uncharted and Gran Turismo. These franchises must keep coming because are the identity of each console, so many great memories from all those games, they must keep coming but with new additions every time in order to keep the games fresh. Sony has the advantage in this regard and also regarding new IPs, but im sure MS will follow, maybe not in this scale right away, but they will.

AspiringProGenji2335d ago

Don’t blame uncle Mattrick only for that. All the execs including Phil also were part of that original vision.

Markusb332335d ago

That's one thing that makes me laugh mattick didn't just appear from no where he was working with the 360 and ms for years. It's easy to blame him alone when the whole division was driving the same direction too.

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Tko11112335d ago

Yes they were there but he made the call. Just like phil is doing now.

yomfweeee2335d ago

360 only ever had a lead on PS3 because of a 1 year head start.

Plus you seem to forget about the Wii who won overall. Microsoft finished in 3rd.

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yomfweeee2335d ago

Sorry, but I didn't make any contradictions and clearly you just don't understand.

360 was ahead of PS3 in global sales for many years because it was released earlier. In the end though, PS3 surpassed it and 360 ended up in third.

The argument isn't stupid, it is a fact. PS3 sold faster and if you align their launch dates, 360 would have never been in the lead.

denawayne2335d ago

@MakoD - It still amazes me how many Sony fanboys wind up in Xbox articles.

"At this point, Microsoft really doesn't want people to buy Xbox branded PCs (Xbox Ones), they would rather you just boot up your Windows 10 PC and download from the Microsoft Store and play on that"

Didn't MS just release the X?

Professor_K2334d ago

2nd. Lamp by the the time next Gen started the 360 was still in the lead by a million and remained ahead.

andibandit2334d ago

Really who cares, MS should not even have been a contender.

by mid 2006
PS2 sales 103Million
Xbox 24Million

by the end of the next generation, they were equals, how is that a success for Sony?.

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Mister_Wolf2335d ago

The Xbox One X isn't a comeback. It isn't even close to a comeback. Do you think the issue with the Xbox was that it didn't play 4K games? PS1 had less powerful hard compared to its competitors at the time, but it's the games which pulled it ahead. PS2 was the same. 360 was less powerful, even had the red ring bullshit. But it was games which pulled it ahead.

Xbox One X might be the most powerful right now, but by the time Microsoft pulls it's act together and first party picks up, people will be talking about next gen.

wobblypops462335d ago

So what happened to the PS3 and PS4 both systems had nothing for big exclusives for almost 2 years yet still sold. Further more the Xb1 launched with some big first party hitters as well as some third party exclusives I believe MS refered to it as "the perfect storm of Xbox games" and how did that work out for them? See your argument falls apart after the PS2 and that's because times have changed and you can thank PS fans and the games media for pushing power down our throats.

Also, exclusives only appeal to 2-3% of the PS4 user base facts don't lie look at the sales numbers of each exclusive and compare that to the supposed 70 million + PS4's out there. EXCLUSIVES DON'T SELL HARDWARE! At least not any more.

Professor_K2334d ago

The PlayStation 1 was a fad lol. A lot of casuals bought it up because it was the cheapest DVD player bro. As for the games, publishers simply sided with PlayStation due to the cartridge problem.

nitus102334d ago

@Professor_K

The PlayStation 1 was a CD player, not a DVD player.

The PS2 was a DVD and CD player.

The PS3 could play Bluray (BD), DVDs and CDs.

You are right about the cartridge problem (expensive and limited to 64MB) compared to the CD (cheaper and can hold up to 650MB.

Lokii2335d ago

Ps3 beat the 360. What are you going on about?

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UCForce2334d ago (Edited 2334d ago )

@Angainor7 But the problem is that is not troll ( I do believe these people do exist). It’s more about how MS have shift their direction and forget about console brand. Xbox One isn’t going to make a comeback like PS3 did. The reason PS3 made a comeback because Sony didn’t forget about console brand and was willing to do anything to fight back. So Sony did.

rainslacker2334d ago (Edited 2334d ago )

Despite Mattricks casual kinect focus towards the end of the gen, the man actually did deliver on his promises, and managed to keep the Xbox 360 relevant in the market for his time managing it.

Spencer OTOH, has made a lot of promises that havent' actually materilized. He panders more than he delivers, and that is why I don't liken him to Don Mattrick at all. Mattrick was unapoligetic with his vision, Spencer makes excuses and can't even really state what his actual vision is. A recent interview with Venture Beat though actually did put it more concisely the vision that MS has for Xbox. It's that Xbox isn't going to be all about the hardware, rather that MS is going to work to try and become a forerunner within the gaming industry. This focus does include software releases, but Spencer was talking about the billion gamers that exist within the world. Those billion gamers are not on console hardware....even when looked at cumulatively. They're on consoles, mobile, arcade, and PC. MS wants it's products to be used to make games(DirectX), and they want their services to be used for these games(Azure). They want their platforms to be thought of as a place to play games(Windows, Xbox). MS has a grand vision which Spencer talked about, which means nothing for the X1 right now. Sorry, but the X1 gen is a bust or MS. They made money, but for the consumer, they have driven their software portfolio into the ground, only to have to build it up and work extra hard to actually gain the recognition that they gained during the first half of the 360 gen.

I find it really sad that I actually think that Mattrick did a better job than Spencer....at least up until they revealed the X1. Despite Mattricks flaws though, he made his vision clear, and stood by it as long as he could. He obviously had to succumb to consumer pressure, but he held strong for longer than he should.....for better or worse. Despite what I think of Mattrick, I at least could take him for his word.

I said a while ago that MS was looking to change Xbox to a service. The recent interview with Spencer pretty much affirmed I was right. Xbox fan boys won't see it, because they only see Xbox as the hardware, and now a bit as the PC/Windows. Xbox is changing. The hardware may not be going anywhere, but MS vision certainly has changed....at least in terms of how to achieve their goals.

MS will probably have one last hoorah in the next couple years where they'll finally have some good years of software releases. But that doesn't remove the fact that they haven't been trying to remedy their biggest criticism for the past three years up until recently. With MS having cancelled several games last year, it's readily apparent that MS didn't have much left in reserve. MS front loaded the gen, and came up short for the rest of the gen.

Professor_K2334d ago (Edited 2334d ago )

Lower specs? Pffft lmao the ps3 may have been more powerful than the 360 ON PAPER but half of it was usable and half was shovelware. Making its hardware advantages obsolite.Not to mention the ridiculous freaking price.

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PhoenixUp2335d ago

“The only way Microsoft can deal with that is to keep making great games. And Booty is now in charge of that.”

I just love this statement on so many levels 😁

“We’re one of the few teams that has publishing relationships with Sony and Nintendo, which adds some complexity.”

Yeah it’s quite peculiar that a Microsoft owned dev team like Mojang has relations with the competition. It’s a strange thing to behold, even when you understand why it naturally is the way it is.

“More to the point, it’s going to be helping expose the studios to what’s unique and innovative in each of our studios. Maybe we can get some cross-pollination and shared learning there.”

You rarely see the Microsoft dev teams having some sort of comraderie the same way the teams in SIE Worldwide Studios tend to do.

“I’m not deaf to the meme out there regarding our content and our need to invest more.”

It’s more than just a meme Spencer. Microsoft cut first party support for Xbox 360 in its latter years to focus on its successor and your company allegedly spent $1 billion on exclusive support in 2013. How dafuq can you say you’re not deaf when your company still comes up short coming off XO’s 4th year?

“The various studio executives will report to Booty”

Tee hee

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DiRtY2335d ago

, not gaming related, but I always get redirected from N4G to some strange websites telling me I just won a new iPhone.

Do something about it!

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Phil Spencer Confirms More Xbox Games Will Come To Other Platforms

Phil Spencer confirms that more Xbox games will be available on new platforms during a new interview after Xbox Showcase.

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shadowT18h ago

Starfield, Hellblade 2 and Halo...

Cacabunga15h ago

Perfect Dark and Gears and the game with the girl and the huge croc

Eonjay14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

That last article where everyone is having a baby over a showcase is ridiculous because the Xbox showcase was really a multiplat showcase...

MrBaskerville13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

@Eonjay

I think people are just happy that they gave us something to be excited about. It being multiplatform stuff makes it even easier to rejoice as everyone gets to enjoy it. This show was really what Summerfest should have been, just with less of an xbox focus obviously.

These shows are fun to watch because we get to be excited about new games.

With that said, I imagine Perfect Dark, South of Midnight and perhaps state of decay 1-3 would be possible candidates for ps5. Doom might also be a given. They didn't really try to hammer home its exclusivity.

Eonjay13h ago

@MrBaskerville

Totally agree. I did enjoy SGF though unlike the majority. My personal taste is more eclectic than most. I found stuff at each show to enjoy.

Cacabunga11h ago

Eon

Come on man, yes it’s multi but as a PS5 and switch owner i enjoyed the show yesterday far more than i did with State of Play.
Most announcements came from nowhere to me, and MGS was a massive surprise to finally see some gameplay.
I’m excited to play some of the games on PS5 one day!

Like i said earlier credit where credit is due.

CobraKai8h ago

@Eon
That’s something i have to get used to. I have to see it more like when Ubisoft does their showcase vs Days of Play or Nintendo Direct.

I wished some of these games stayed exclusive. Make it seem like my Series X was a more worthwhile purchase. I use it more for backwards compatibility now so it’s not entirely bad.

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MajorLazer13h ago

Elder Scrolls 6 for PS5, please. Also I'd like the Forza franchise, I owned all four of the OG motorsport titles and FM4 is still one of, if not my favourite racing game ever.

VenomUK3h ago

NO. This can’t be true. The Xbox influencers on X/Twitter & YouTube who got angry at Phil Spencer then forgave him, guaranteed no other Microsoft games would come to PS5.

@ColtEastwood
@DestinLegarie
@SnapBlastPlay
@MrMattyPlays
@RyanMcCaffrey

ocelot071h ago

@VenomUK

I have seen that colteastwood on x. If you look ul embarrassment in the dictionary a picture of him as a example would be there.

I think people deservidly give obscure a bashing on here. But Colteastwood makes Obscure look like a PS5 cultist haha.

RaiderNation13h ago

The two Ori games as well. I have a feeling those will get announced too.

RaidenBlack3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Why forget Sunset Overdrive?
Also there are older titles like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse Son of Rome.

gigoran811h ago

they can keep their starfield. yawn

RaidenBlack3h ago

Single-player Bethesda games usually gets better over time with future patches and DLCs

just_looken58m ago

Why not xbox is the new sega a direction they should go towards.

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italiangamer18h ago

Satya Nadella wants that PlayStation's money, Phil Spinster now is as relevant as MySpace

purple10117h ago

Phil Spencer (February 15th 2024):

"Looking forward so 4 games no promise beyond that, so if you're on those other platforms and you see these four games coming please don't take it as some signal that everything is coming, it's not."

Phill Spencer (June 9th 2024)

'Our commitment to our Xbox customers is you're going to get the opportunity to buy or subscribe to the game, we're going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms and we just see that as benefit that the franchises we're building and we see that from players and the players love to be able to play'

Jingsing17h ago

I won't be buying any Xbox games anyway, Not going to subsidize their vision of changing gaming industry into streaming everything via a netflix subscription and they are the only choice. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It's us or no one" You can't complain after they have taken over either.

Shane Kim16h ago

Especially when they "give" it to Xbox users and expect playstation users to pay full price for it. Like second class citizens.

Ironmike12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

U won't be missed

Einhander19724h ago

Ironmike

He will be missed, if he wasn't going to be missed Microsoft wouldn't be putting the games on PlayStation.

Make up your mind xbox guys, do you want to brag about Sea of Thieves success on PlayStation or do you want to cry about all your games going to PlayStation?

neomahi15h ago

So, the benefit of having an Xbox is the option of a subscription service that's more like a buffet and not a deluxe plate. By staying loyal to Xbox means day 1 "free" games of your choice. Xbox is a service.

If rumors are true Xbox is going the 3DO route, Xbox is basically a PC. I mean, since PlayStation caved and started using off the shelf parts to "make it easier on developers", which is a croc as were how far into this console generation and the only devs to really support PS5, kind of, is Insomniac, San Diego, and Santa Monica and we've seen nothing from other devs. PS4 was supposed to be easier so PS5 would be even easier, right? But what've we really seen from Sony first party when it comes to PS5 games? Nothing, they're all still possible on PS4. Xbox? Same thing. Hi-Fi Rush was possible on at least Xbox One X (another lie from Xbox with No one gets left behind). Wow

MrBaskerville13h ago

The original comment still stands, as long as they withold one or two series of games on xbox. Most could come but that still wouldn't mean that you could expect every game to arrive.

I suspect they want people to speculate, because then you don't know whether you should wait for a ps5 port or buy an xbox. Every game is Schroedingers exclusive.

Eonjay12h ago

The interpretation of his first comment is not to expect more than these 4 games. The interpretation of the second comment is not to expect any game to be exclusive to Xbox.

His communication is all over the place. The fact that we can't decipher what he means is what people are complaing about. He should simply say, games are coming to PlayStation but we don't have a set policy that applies to all titles. Sometimes less is more.

Crows9012h ago

Well seeing as most Xbox games aren't worth it then it's probably fine

ChasterMies8h ago

You can go back further to last year’s Kinda Funny interview with Phil. Microsoft has been slowly getting the Xbox user base ready for this. It’s like the parable about putting a frog into a pot of water and slowly turning up the heat. We will be at boiling when Halo comes to PlayStation.

gold_drake8h ago

thats what i mean when i say hes a big bullshitter, girl doesnt rly know what hes talking about.

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-Foxtrot17h ago

There’s this small part of me which wants to think that the reason for Sony being so calm lately, especially after Microsoft’s showcase, is because they know this themselves, and they could know more than what’s being said publicly.

neomahi15h ago

But, Lego Horizon is on the Switch. Why is Nintendo the only comfortable one here. They're not even on PC

Extermin8or3_14h ago

Stupid take. The Lego game has been made by a Lego studio with advice on the IP from guerilla games. So part of the negotiations/requirements to make it happen will clearly have been done kind of multiplatform release.

LucasRuinedChildhood10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

That Lego game definitely exists to get kids to want to buy the proper Horizon games on PS5/PS4 (plus the multiplayer game). It's basically a giant advertisement. And kids love the Switch.

gold_drake8h ago

nintendo is comfortable because their first party games sell in the tens of millions.

Extermin8or3_14h ago

They definitely know more than is being said.

italiangamer13h ago

Sony gives them the PS5's development kit so they know exactly which studios are making games for their consoles, or at least they can make an estimate based on the number of kits requested.

People just loves to talk but in a couple of days this showcase will be already forgotten, and by the way 90% of the stuff shown is multiplatform.

just_looken56m ago

If they wanted xbox cash they would allow gamepass on PlayStation 5

Or just let microsoft buy sony as they could without any issues to there bottom line.

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truthBombs15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

It seems the idea is to have other platforms(PS and PC) offset the cost of game pass.

Xbox users get the games on game pass while others pay full price.

Gamepass seems to be Xbox's idea of "exclusive".

These guys are so inconsistent with their messaging. It's difficult to know exactly what they want to do with their games. I've stopped caring. I just focus on the games.

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Interview on Indika with the Actress for Indika (Isabella Inchbald)

Interview with Isabella Inchbald, Actress for (Indika) in Indika which is an emotional, thought provoking journey through a nun's tale in questioning her religion.

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Mark Cerny: When making consoles, we're not trying to build low-cost PCs

PlayStation legend Mark Cerny discusses PS5, the challenges of making consoles, and his 42-year games industry career

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darthv723d ago

Well... they used to design their own chips. Emotion Engine, Cell, RSX... when they switched to using X86 based chips is now more akin to low-mid cost PCs than before. It may not look like a PC but it pretty much is one. I'd bet it could do productivity stuff just fine if they allowed it to.

Cockney3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I think series consoles are closer to pc than playstation seeing as they used the full suite of rdna 2 functions, didn't Sony strip a lot of that away to streamline their machine to be games focused? Its probably lacking in the office and productivity department, don't ask me what their custom chip does or doesn't do I just remember reading a lot about at the time, "rdna 1.5" was the call and yet what we see is pretty much level pegging as far as games go

GamerRN3d ago

Actually, stripping that away doesn't streamline, it hinders. Those features are actually helpful for gaming.

And they didn't strip them out, they just didn't work closely enough to be able to use them all since specs weren't finalized. Microsoft took an inside line on that one.

The reason why things are equal is because Xbox rarely has games designed on their box, they are usually designed on PS5 and ported over. So Xbox loses the power edge it has to making up the poor optimization.

It's ok, I think the lesson is you have to have a significant increase in power of 30 percent or more to be noticeable. And you have to sell enough to become the lead console for development otherwise you lose that power.

Einhander19723d ago

@GamerRN

PS5 outperforms series x because it uses custom chips to process things that on xbox need to be done by the GPU/CPU.

Things like Tempest Audio, and it's custom compression chip for SSD as well as having a separate chip for upscaling using checkerboard and presumably FSR runs off it as well.

OlderGamer172d ago

O please stop the myth that the seriesX mythe is the only console that is using the "the full suite or Rdna2" is already debunked al long time ago.

Number1TailzFan3d ago

The consoles use video ram as system ram as well since it's all shared, so nah.

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Christopher3d ago

You should probably read the whole quote and not just go based on the title.

darthv723d ago

I have read it... I dont think anyone can build a PC that equates to the performance of a PS5/Series X for anywhere close to their selling point. Not for a while at least.

And my comment about them switching from custom chips to more PC related just adds to that fact. whether people want to believe it or not... Sony has built a low cost (not spec, there is a difference) PC.

neutralgamer19923d ago (Edited 3d ago )

We need better games on these consoles. This generation has been such a huge letdown so far. Moving forward these current consoles will be supported even when newer Playstation and Xbox are in the market. AAA games have been so expensive to make and it seems fun is taken out of games and loot boxes take their place. Try playing a NBA 2k game it's like a casino with slot machines

just_looken2d ago

The cost of making these games is a scam

Nba 2k19 to 2k14 its like madden the budget to make went stupid high but the fundamental of the game and the game modes never changed.

Anything now even basic intersection construction is tens of millions but pre coivid few hundred grand.

2018 here is $400 landscaping now here is the pink slip to my car.

I swear the cost of everything is the same but there taking of that huge profit top for there own pockets.

Einhander19723d ago

The PS5 is incredibly customized.

The SSD, the Tempest Audio, the APU itself is a mix of cross generation AMD hardware in order to be more optimized for gaming and cost efficient.

The PS5 Pro also has features from cross generation AMD hardware with RT features from RDNA 4 plus it's own custom upscaler PSSR.

PlayStation 5 Pro features next-gen RDNA 4-based ray tracing engine, allows 2-3x faster RT
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

PlayStation still uses custom designed hardware.

darthv723d ago

honestly... I dont know why some are taking offense to it being called a low cost PC. It really is... and low cost is a good thing. the article did not say low performance PC... that is totally different.

Einhander19723d ago

I'm saying they still are designing their own chips, they just use AMD templates.

The PS5 APU has features from RDNA 1 2 and 3, and the PS5 Pro adds features from RDNA 4, and the CPU is the same with it own customized features.

Then all of that is paired with other custom chips.

just_looken2d ago

What you all said my rig in my bedroom can do it no issues

That plastic box has a 2020 cpu with the pro using a 2021 6700

The custom is do to them being dirt cheap with a 2 prong power supply so they made a cpu/gpu combo chip aka apu.

Get a amd laptop with there new mobile chips get the same performance.

VincentVanBro3d ago

You’re right but downvoted for some reason.

just_looken2d ago

Its this site even the head admin banned me for awhile being but hurt over my "anti" sony comments.

n4g is pro sony nothing sony will ever do can change that.

Pyrofire952d ago (Edited 2d ago )

When you only look at the big flagship chips that seems true, but there's a lot going on in a modern console that takes advantage of being a dedicated kit. The various elements put into how the pipelines are connected shape the direction of games. End to end decryption and data streaming is something big that PC can only kind of do and with less certainty for example. Dedicated audio chip that rivals the main CPU in the PS4 is a big paradigm shift, devs used to fight for cores and audio was often last priority, whereas in traditional PC design the main CPU does both of those jobs of processing audio and decryption, while also performing all the other CPU based tasks.
It's not the custom silicon that used to be what made consoles but there's a lot more to consoles now. Data storage was not even a consideration and almost no RAM was on old consoles. Now there needs to be an enormous amount of SSD storage, and RAM to make these games tick with how much is demanded from them.

just_looken2d ago

@darth

Your comment show how many sony blindboys are on here

You are 100% correct but to add on the gamecube-ps3 also had a gpu/cpu combo back in the day unlike modern consoles that are just glorified tablets using apu/igpu's.

I miss the ps3 era start of ps4 era that sony was awesome

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MIDGETonSTILTS173d ago

Yah, hence the majority of the PS5’s hardware investment going towards an SSD instead of a GPU.

There are countless custom pc gaming rigs out there, and I bet none of them took an SSD-centric approach to their design, like the ps5 did.

just_looken2d ago

LMAO wow sony blind boy's are mad in love

That is called direct storage windows 10 has had that for over 5 year's every computer with a nvme based ssd has had that tech for years.

https://www.thewindowsclub....

The ps6 will then have this new amazing tech you all will go crazy over resize bar
https://www.howtogeek.com/8...

But that tech has been out for 2 years all 40series gpu's intel gpus and the new amd cards have that tech.

There is nothing a ps5 can do over a 4+ year old computer 2019 rig want resize bar? get a cheap amd/intel card for half the cost of a ps5.

MIDGETonSTILTS172d ago

Clearly you did not watch Cerny’s first ps5 breakdown, so you don’t appreciate EVERYthing Cerny did to leverage their extremely fast SSD.

bigfish3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I can see where he’s coming from re ps5 not just being a box with parts like a pc. They must also spend an awful lot on r & d just to design the thing so it has aesthetic appeal and typical Japanese with some sort of Philosopy behind the design. Would also think other factors around the custom airflow and the like would cost a lot given that it’s not a standard box shape

gold_drake3d ago

true, but the alternative is, relatively, a expensive ordeal.
unless you dont game at all ha.

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just spent 2000k on a 4070ti super 7800x3d 1440p gaming pc. Honestly consoles will never be replaced at this wide a gap in price. I plan to get a ps5 pro too.

just_looken2d ago

@mk

You waisted 2 grand you mean

At 1440p a amd4 chipset with a 5600x3d combined with a 6750xt even a 6800 can push 1440p just a much for half the cost or less used/new and or sales.

I have a 75hhz monitor in my bedroom 1440p playing games maxed out spent around 1200cad but aio 5800x3d 32gb of ram and a 6750xt 28 or 30 inch monitor.

Every time i hear pc so expensive i just laugh you can spend less than $500 buy a used ebay rig fix it up or a office pc toss in a cheap low profile card.

Pyrofire952d ago

If you look into the hardware beyond just the CPU and GPU things start to look different, and there's plenty beyond just those two parts, those two parts even are modified to their own design in some degree.

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