I Feel Bad for The New Colossus, I Really Do

Players and developers are probably going to look to Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus to prove whether or not EA was right to shut down Visceral Games' Star Wars project. Based on what The New Colossus is up against, that's just not fair.

[DarkOcelet]

I feel bad for both New Colossus and Evil Within 2 because they are two great single player titles coming out in such a busy month.

Bethesda should have delayed both of them and marketed them more especially The Evil within 2.

[JMRamee]

I couldn't agree with you more. I wanted to play The Evil Within 2 soooo bad, but I was finishing up a bunch of games on my back log, and by the time I was done I had to jump into the maelstrom we're in right now. Maybe after Christmas? Idk...did you play it? Was it good?

[DarkOcelet]

Yeah, I already finished it four times. I personally loved it. In my opinion, its a really damn good game.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Mannn...The Evil Within 2 is the SHIT!

[The_Devil_Hunter]

I have yet to beat it, on chapter 8. I have sunk about 12 hours into it. I know it sounds stupid but it's the best game I've played this year.

[KickSpinFilter]

Ya wanted to jump in to New Colossus as well, but I'll be getting Horizon Frozen Wilds, COD WWII, SWBFII before, while still trying to finish Middle Earth, RE7 VR, Before Shadow of the C, Spiderman, God of War, and Detroit come out!
Bethesda should have moved those to a more open time like March/April.
Seems like the only one getting that is Sony for the most part and just avoiding the Holidays for their exclusives. Although perhaps MS is finally catching on to that with the Crackdown 3 delay (but that might be for other reasons)

[mikeslemonade]

lol you guys are so off base with Evil Within 2. I'm playing on 4k and on high settings and the game has parts that look last gen. So far it's not even as good as the first one. I don't think EW1 was that good, I just liked the game. Same thing with EW2, it has flaws but I like these types of games. The analogy is I may think McD taste good but I'm not gonna say it's one the critical successful food places I've been too. Game of the Year.. haha it won't make the top 10.

[mikeslemonade]

Also Wolfenstien is probably not even as good as Bioshock and Metro. Single player shooters are meh for the most part.

[Spike20XX]

Evil Within 2 is a huge contestant for GOTY yet it's not going to get it or even get mentioned
due to just this you're mentioning.

[Ashunderfire86]

Hell no Horizon Zero Dawn, Zelda Breath of the Wild, or Mario Odessey will get it.

[TheLEGENDofTydo]

Divinity Original Sin 2 by far deserves game of the year but probably won't get it because of the type of game it is.

[trooper_]

Yeah, I'm compelled to get Wolfenstein.

[FullmetalRoyale]

I saw an ad for TEW 2 while skippping through the commercials for the premier of The Walking Dead. So that’s something.
I guess since the first one sold beyond expectations, they think they don’t have to work for it.

[IamTylerDurden1]

The New Colossus should sell in the long run due to the overwhelming quality and kick-azz nature, similar to The New Order. Just like the previous game i expect word of mouth to keep sales steady over time as opposed to it making a big splash then falling of the table. The story dlc should help support sales as well. I expect Wolfenstein to be fine in the end considering just how spectacular the game is. Tbh, Machine Games is the best single-player FPS developer in the business and The New Colossus deserves to do well. I encourage ppl to play The Old Blood as it was a full single-player game at the price of a dlc. The Old Blood is a fantastic title that can be had for proverbial peanuts and it's even available in physical.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

What you expect from the original developers from Starbreeze who made The Darkness and Chronicles of Rddick? :3

[CarlosX360]

Off topic, but The Darkness was a good game. I only wish it was 60fps.

[Apocalypze]

They can market Destiny 2 excessively and I still wouldn't buy it! Point being is that marketing doesn't always work now that people can tell what's BS and what isn't... All thanks to the Internet <3

[CarlosX360]

It'll do just fine. Relax everyone.

The marketing for the game was on point, and pandered pretty much to Trump's America.

It. will. do. fine.

[OpenGL]

If publishers don't want to keep making single player games, I will gladly not give them money. This whole narrative is bullshit anyway, the games industry is making tons of money.

[OffRoadKing]

Remember when piracy was supposedly gonna kill the industry?

[spartan112g]

Stop pretending like piracy is in the same league as this. Not gonna validate your cheapness.

[OffRoadKing]

@spartan112g

Guess my comment went over your head, jeez kids these days.

[freshslicepizza]

Yes the industry is making money but you have no idea on what. Another game I hope does well but might be squeezed out too is South Park. The fact is single player only titles are not as desireable for publishers since they cost quite a bit to do and as the article states, is hard to keep getting revenue from months after release. So many gamers trade titles in for new ones after they finish, who gets that money on trade-ins?

[OpenGL]

I don't give a shit if it's desirable, if they think they can make more money on multiplayer games and loot crates they can go for it, they won't get a dime from me.

[yeahright2]

I place huge portion of the blame for this shift right at the foot of xbox fanboys (not fans, fanboys). While the rest of us have been saying xbox needs games to compete with uncharted, last of us and such. the xbox fanboys have been doing their best try and negate that argument by saying things like "those are one and done." "everybody buys multiplats". rather than admit box has a problem, they pull mental gymnastics to find a way to say xbox is right. And guess what, the industry listened. When the most vocal of the consumers are out there spewing this crap, that's what they hear. that's why xbox is getting new hardware instead of games, because their fanboys told them PS4 fanboys were being mean to them with resolution gate. That's why Spencer is out there crapping on horizon and Zelda for being single player. And of course companies like EA saw that and started pushing even more for games as a service. Because the xbox fanboys basically begged them to rip them off just to try and have a response to Xbox's weakness
As for trade ins. the best way to slow that down is first, make a quality product that people will enjoy, and second, market it properly, ie price it right, pick a good release date, advertise it to generate some buzz, and guess what, people tend to buy it at or around release. And if it's a quality game, people will hold on to it. moreover, things are trending towards digital. So this is becoming a less strong argument by the day.

[JJShredder]

@yeahright2

What a load of bullshit man. It's xbox fans' fault?? Xbox is ONE of three players in this game and is getting their ass kicked in sales. They aren't dictating the path these publishers and developers go with their games. Destiny 2 is the best selling game of September (and probably the year when all is said and done) and I bet it sold best on Sony's platform by far. There is no fanbase enabling this more than others and you are trying to find boogeymen under the bed when in fact you live in a society of boogeymen.

Just because people like Moldy cannot get off his knees for Microsoft doesn't mean he/she speaks for everyone.

[freshslicepizza]

@yeahright2
"I place huge portion of the blame for this shift right at the foot of xbox fanboys (not fans, fanboys). And guess what, the industry listened."

I didn't realize Xbox fans had that power to change the industry, thanks for insight, very informative!

"As for trade ins. the best way to slow that down is first, make a quality product that people will enjoy, and second, market it properly, ie price it right, pick a good release date, advertise it to generate some buzz, and guess what, people tend to buy it at or around release. And if it's a quality game, people will hold on to it. moreover, things are trending towards digital. So this is becoming a less strong argument by the day."

Really? Then why would industry leaders like Naughty Dog feel the need for online passes? You are never going to get away from the used market no matter how good your game is. Engaging players longer by adding more content and/or multiplayer is a prime example of the industry adpating to player demands.

Mobile, online gaming, and so on has evolved yet some of you guys are still stuck in the 90's. Wishing games would also stay the same price. That's not how a profit driven market works.

[yeahright2]

@ JJ and moldy. not all the blame, no. But xbox fanboys are the biggest cheerleaders. And JJ, I said fanboys, not fans. Xbox fans want more exclusives, less MT, etc. they don't cheerlead no matter what like the fanboys do. And lets be honest, as bad as Nintendo and PS fanboys are, they don't go pushing for games as a service to become the norm. They aren't happy with getting next to no single player games because those are "one and done". They're not out there defending microtransactions. So no, "they're all boogeymen" is a false equivalency.
And yes, the fanboys do influence xbox, more so than its fans. Because that's who Phil and company listen to. The fanboys cried because they were losing resolution battles. the fans and critics were all telling them they needed more and better games, but Phil thinks jumping on twitter is a direct line to fans when it's actually a direct line to fanboys. that's why you got new hardware instead of games.
And moldy, they're not adapting to player demands. They're finding new ways to make up the lost revenue of us not wanting to pay more for a game than $60. This is like when you were praising the original xbox one reveal. You're not representing gamers, just xbox fanboys.

[Realms]

Same here it's BS if they want to treat paying customers like chumps then so be it let the chumps buy their crappy games filled with DLC paywalls and MT or pay to win. If CD project red can deliver a good game as an independent developer there is no reason or excuse for why these huge corporate publishers and developers can't do the same.

[DrumBeat]

Star Wars Battlefront 2 is awful. Clunky, boring shooter gameplay with fuzzy, dithered image quality. I'm so lost as to why/how people enjoy it.

[The_Sage]

Do you have it?..

[Akira2020]

There was no need to have it since we've all played the hell out of the Beta for several days and came to the same conclusion......Star Wars Battlefront 2 is awful.

[DrumBeat]

No. I'm avoiding it like the plague after playing that egregious beta.

[SirBillyBones]

Preach! I (stupidly) raised my hopes, gave it a chance, and inevitably came away disappointed. Another nail in the coffin for my interest in gaming. Anything multiplayer-centric from one of the AAA publishers seems doomed. The suits are smothering games to death, and people who purchase anti-consumer season passes/DLC/loot boxes are predominantly the ones to blame.

[Concertoine]

Ultimately it just feels like a battlefield game with a star wars texture pack. Because it basically is.

The campaign caught ny eye but the gameplay looks painfully dull. All the old battlefront games had to do was multiplayer maps + bots and theres your campaign. It was way more fun than corridor shooting.

[The_Sage]

I'm only interested in the single player. I was going to ask about that. So far it looks awesome. Even if it's only 6 hours I may still grab the game. It's not that I don't like multiplayer games at all, I simply don't have the time for them anymore. The amount of time I've spent in Battlefield 1 is ridiculously low. I loved the single player aspects of that game though.

[BigTrain]

I am in the same boat. Single player has always been more my cup of tea. No time to invest in MP games like I used to. The older you get life demands more of your time.

[Kornholic]

Those are exaxtly my thoughts after the beta. Thank you for voicing them!

[shammgod]

I bought all three big releases today

[SuperRaccoon]

Have you tried all of them? Any favorites so far?

[REBORN71]

same here - i have no fkn time to play as i have newborn but i got: AC ORIGINS, SHADOWofWAR, Destiny2, New Colossus.
1 - colossus by far best smothest incredible looking piece of art - fantastic characters - funny - shocking - and fkn fun
2 - its a tie between destiny and Shadow - im enjojing both equaly even though one is FPS one 3d person
3 - only got to mission 3 on AC Origins - same old ubisoft - world looks great but populated with boring as bat shit enemy and shitload of UI icons pointers map scatered with icons etc as usual. i hope their art directors take a look at shadow of war/mordor and make their characters bit more interesting

[shammgod]

Only have played ACO so far and love it. I am just like the poster below. Kid with one on the way. I have no business buying three games in one year let alone one day. Lol.

Either way, I will eventually finish all of them.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

I would have too if I had a switch but I'm happy getting the other two

[OpenGL]

I got Wolfenstein on PC and Odyssey. Both are great so far and neither one is trying to milk the player with loot crates or micro transactions.

[Tankbusta40]

Don't feel bad for these games. I love single player games as much as the next guy, but publishers and developers need to stop releasing these games against EVERY DAMN hit franchise before XMAS. I will never in my life understand why certain games try and compete against Giants when they can release in March, April, May etc against nothing. Its incredibly stupid(They must believe people take a 4-5 month gaming break or something)

[Kavorklestein]

What if it started way back when as a way of ensuring more sales because games were purchased as gifts?

The average kid has 4 grandparents.
If each grandparent gave a game for a gift, that's 4 games. Or if they teamed up, that 2 games... one for each side of the family.
Perhaps in the 80's and 90's, when gaming was maybe not taken as seriously, that was a good way of ensuring full prices games being sold at highest profit margins to kids or families etc..?
Just a random what if.. but hey! You never know!

[arkard]

But none of them are sold at full price. Black Friday is right around the corner and anything releasing this week will be able to be had for 40$ or less in a matter of a few weeks.

[REBORN71]

bullshit - outside of concoles market, majority of people BUYING games are grown up men and women that buy games to play themselves - kids either pirate - or in case of consoles swap with friends.

[Kavorklestein]

arkard- some people don't go do the whole black friday thing, in fact MOST of the population doesn't participate in it.

REBORN71- plenty of kids get spoiled. Also, I don't get why you assumed I meant MODERN DAY GAMING IS MOSTLY KIDS... I meant that games USED to not be as much for adults.. or taken seriously.
I'm fully aware that in today's world, most people who buy games are adults.
My comment was more talking about the ORIGIN of why holidays might have a tradition of having mutiple large releases within a few months.

You both are way off base with your replies.

[Dirtnapstor]

I get what you're saying, but the late Spring and Summer months are not necessarily the opportune times for the heavy hitter releases. It's a business. Winter will be coming to a close, schools will be letting out, the great outdoors and travel will become a thing again. Individuals are not confined to obligations like they are during the fall and winter. That's my theory as to why the big AAA games come in droves when they do. There have been exceptions to the rule obviously, but I not counting the game delays because of coding issues, etc.

[CarlosX360]

No, this is the perfect time to release Wolfenstein before Halloween. It has that scary, violent vibe going on in there. Same with Oddyessy, it's cutesy, but it's perfect for a halloween release thanks to the whole "change into new character, costume, or enemy" schtick.

[Hardiman]

I beat The Evil Within 2 and enjoyed it! I took my time and put 20 hours in and now I'm playing Assassins Creed Origins and enjoying it! As soon as I'm done Wolfenstein 2 it is. As for Battlefront 2 maybe around Christmas and pre owned. I haven't bought a Call of Duty since Modern Warfare 2 so.....

[yeahokwhatever]

I got my Wolfenstein! No way I'm not playing this game. I've been waiting for it since the other one came out. SO GOOD.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I can't wait either. Replayed The New Order more than any other current gen game.

[yeahokwhatever]

oh god, its so good already!

[showtimefolks]

Could someone explain why publishers put all their focus on releasing their games between September to November yet rest of the year is open and a lot less competition

Games like nioh, neir, horizon, persona 5 etc proved that launching early in the year will make just as much money all sold million plus

A game like evil within 2 would do great in July or August. A game like wolfenstein would do grey between March or April

Sony has it figured it so do many Japanese publishers look at Capcom and resident evil 7 a know ip yet still launched in January instead of October

Than publishers blame gamers for not supporting yet how can they expect us to support every single game between September to November

Time to change thinking and focus on all year round product releasing

[Tankbusta40]

I said the same thing lol +1

[MrSwankSinatra]

Exactly, whoever is running the marketing team for these publishers should be fired because the failures of those games rest on the publishers themselves for not analyzing the market correctly.

[oof46]

Because everyone believes that their game will be "the" game.

[NerveGearneeded]

so perhaps there advertising dollars sticks in peoples brains till christmas?

[franwex]

Most sales occur at the end of the year, and they want to be the "it" item?
Maybe they want to get a revenue boost at the end of the year?

To be honest I've been wondering the same thing for 20 years.

[davand114]

They are trying to take advantage of holiday shopping.

[MrSwankSinatra]

It has little to do with single player games, dying because in actuality they're not. It has more to do with the release schedule that these publishers put them out. Putting The Evil Within 2 and Wolfenstein II out within weeks of each other in october is just flat out retarded on bethesdas part. You are suppose to release those games during the summer where there isn't much coming out, not near the quarter where the biggest blockbusters come out. The failure of those single player games falls directly on the publishers themselves. They commit that stupidity continually.

[crazychris4124]

Just played first 3 missions, game is amazing. Gameplay is better, graphics and sound are top notch and soundtrack is typical Mick Gordon, badass and loud

[MeteorPanda]

Im loving wolfy atm. Oh my the oscar winning scenes feel right outta tarintino.

[ZeekQuattro]

This sort of things happens every year unfortunately. I recall Titanfall 2 was released in a during crowded release schedule and suffered for it last year. Even good games can be hit by it.

[franwex]

Yeah, but after a few months why can't gamers pick up Titanfall 2? Is it less enjoyable later on? Why can't they try it out today, it should be legit cheaper and more balanced. Titanfall 2 is a major tragedy, gamers no longer have an excuse to not play one of the best games to come out this generation. One can blame EA all they want-and to a degree they are at fault-initially. But it's been a year, now the responsibility lies on gamers.

Sorry about my Titanfall 2 rant, it just irks me that gamer complain about the industry state, and a game comes out and fixes everything and we shun it. We want paid DLC, we want microtransactions, we want bland gameplay apparently.

[TallonIV]

At least Wolfenstein will get another boost when it launches on Switch in 2018. It will prob get more people to buy the game when they ads for it again.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I'm still going to give Wolf and Doom the buy they deserve soon. Both on Switch.
To me, it doesn't really matter what else they're up against; if they're good games, they'll stay on my wish list no matter how they compare to other games coming out at the time.

[Jayszen]

Anyone who has played Wolfenstein: The New Blood should know that that Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus is worth getting and now! I got it a day early and I have been playing it since and I am glad that I missed out on Battlefront 2 and Call of Duty WWII in order to buy Wolfenstein, Mario Odyssey, and Evil Within 2.

It is a pity that Wolfenstein and Evil Within 2 have both arrived during the October/November rush and many gamers will probably opt for Battlefront and COD instead even though I 'll bet neither are as good as the single player games. The last Wolfenstein came out in May and I was surprised this one arrived during the Holiday rush but either Bethesda felt that game was strong enough or it has a crap marketing strategy.

Both games are very good and I hope they sell well.

[greywolf39]

Who likes horror games and shooters( and there are a lot of People) will buy it over any star wars and other mp focused games. Lot of People dont like space shooters and some do, but feel sorry for a game release is just stupid. When they delay game it is not good, when they release game soon, again it is not good. Make up your mind

[opinionated]

Bethesda studios have nothing to prove to EA. They make single player games, they don’t have the same pressure that ea studios do.

It was not right to shit down visceral, they are an old studio that never made a bad game. I wish publishers would sell their studios off instead of liquifying them but that’s just how it goes.

[KilluaX3]

This whole panic mode about single player games is funny to me because it feels like we had this exact same discussion a couple years ago, when Titanfall and Battlefront launched without a campaign mode. Six months later, nobody cared anymore.

I suppose it's cyclical, but still, it would be nice if we could spend, say, a month without getting worked up about "the future of videogames".

Even worse when I see people who somehow believe that the future of single player games depends on Wolfenstein (those same people go on to berate Bethesda for launching it alongside Mario and AC... which are also single player games).

I must be the only one who's not worried at all. Single player will never go extinct, because if that happened, the multiplayer-only market would become too crowded (it already is, with a few big names taking the majority of the players share)... and then someone would get the idea of trying a single player game again.

[1nsomniac]

Come on people this naiveness has to stop. Single player isn’t dying, stop listening to what your told & look at the facts.

They’re trying to kill single player because of greed. To upsell on a single player game it costs more money because there’s story, writing, voice acting etc. Up selling multiplayer games is easy no real work is needed as it’s just using recycled & cut assets. Therefor it costs them very little or even nothing but yet raking it in.

Gaming is no longer a hobby for developers it been turned into “just business” by these big money hungry publishers. That’s why when you see these people playing games they’re so terrible that we all shout out that our nans could play the game better. All they care about is making as much money as possible while putting in the littlest cost to themselves. Simple.

[mochachino]

Well it's been in the top 2 on steam since launch if that's any indication.

[Bjorn-c-blocker]

I bought all 3 of the best games in October. Mario, Evil within 2 and Wolfenstein and they are all fantastic games and will sell very well despite what people keep implying about Bethesda`s marketing they know exactly what they are doing.

[gantarat]

not everyone can buy all game.

[mad-dog]

I'll just buy the games i like. Like i'm sure many will. In this case: Mario and Wolfenstein. I'm always kinda hyped for AC, but i'm quickly bored when i actually play one (aside from AC2).

[Hyperstrada]

I don't play that many single player games , but I will be buying The New Wolfenstein_ game.

[BenjaMan64]

It came out the same day as Super Mario Odyssey and AC Origins. It's going to be an uphill battle for Wolfenstein 2.

[dp5212]

Good thing they have skyrim! The cow they have milked so hard it's nipples have scabs and if you squeeze them just right it emits one more cloud of dehydrated milk dust otherwise known as Skyrim VR.

[Cobra951]

This guy is eminently full of it. Paragraph after paragraph, he completely misses the mark. And what the hell does EA's closing Visceral have to do with Wolfenstein II, a *Bethesda* game? I searched down his misguided prose, and got nothing.

[GrimDragon]

Evil within is an excellent game. Worth an award or two. Much better than the first one.

[hiawa23]

Bought digital copy of Wolfenstein 2 as the games are fantastic. Absolutely love it. I don't feel sorry for the games I thank devs who continue to make primarily sp games for gamers like me. Will also get The Evil Within 2 as soon as I finish the first. Delay them for what, these companies to show revenue this fiscal year, I don't see what delaying them would achieve. Gamers like me buy games as soon as they are released year round but most probably buy around the holidays, so this is the best time to release your games.

[hiawa23]

This debate is an easy one for me. I am in my forties been gaming since the late 70s, own almost every console between then and now, plus own all my favorite arcade games on my pc, so I prefer sp to online, if devs don't want to make anymore sp games, I am fine with that. They won't get anymore money from me, and I am fine with that as I have decades worth of great games.

[Aaroncls7]

This is all concern-troll and media fed drama.
October has ALWAYS been a busy month. SP games are not going away, MP only games do not appeal to everyone, the industry will balance itself out because how that is how the free market works.

Evil Within 2 seems to stand out above all other releases for anyone interested in a meaningful game experience.

[Sokol]

Make a quality single player experience and i will buy it, otherwise I don't bother. Simple as that..

[Yohshida]

Vote with your wallet and buy SP games if you want devs to keep making them

[bigmalky]

Well, if people were more choosy about their purchases, these games wouldn't be ignored.

All the multiplayer first titles seem to have micros and lootboxes, which should be a turn off for everyone but casual gamers. Hell, the amount of people I see that can't wait for SWBF2 and it's basically a pay to win game is ridiculous.

Seriously... 'I can't wait to buy a £45 game, just to spend another £300 so I can compete!'. Idiots.

If gaming turns into GaaS, I really hope the publishers and companies pushing it end up with nobody but a couple of 'whales' to put them under.

[Elda]

I bought this,TEW2 & Death of an Outsider for my support of single player games by Bethesda.I have a great job & I will continue to buy & support single player games of my interest.

[chris235]

why would anyone play evil within 2 when there is a first one that already proves boredom is real? also the new colossus... cool first one. this one will be cool, too, just more of the same and therefore underwhelming.

[mkis007]

picked it up with mario and assassins creed.

[Ashunderfire86]

Wolfenstein 2 is my first choice, and you know what! I also bought Mario Odessey and I still didn't open the game yet! I am so damn hooked with Wolfenstein and its awesome level design, gameplay and story.

[Bjorn-c-blocker]

I am playing both. No point holding back on either. Totally different experiences.

I finished Evil Within 2 in a week so I could fully dive into Wolf and Mario.

[DeadManMMX]

I just don’t get why the keep releasing these great single player games in the most busy season of the year. To launch head to head with Mario and Assasins Creed. Why? I want them to keep making these games but they are making poor decisions. Why is no one learning from the last few years.

[Bjorn-c-blocker]

Because Bethesda has its own massive fan base and can survive just off that fanbase.

[DeadManMMX]

No the sales from Dishonored, Prey and The Evil Within are too low. If this was Fallout or Elder Scrolls you would have a point. It wouldn’t matter when they launched it. These games aren’t in that league they are just getting started.

[Gman32]

Yeah that wasnt smart to release it this next month would've been better