Is Splatoon 2 Really a Sequel?

Since it was first announced Splatoon 2 has been criticized for appearing to be nothing more than a "Splatoon Deluxe."

[PhoenixUp]

It's funny how when footage of it was first shown people thought it was a port

[porkChop]

Yeah, it really doesn't look like a sequel. Most journos seem to agree that the game is fun, but seems more like a Deluxe edition or remaster. I thought it was a port myself.

[-Foxtrot]

It's basically what Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is but they can't get away with two ports

Since Splatoon is new they could get away with calling it a sequel unlike Mario Kart where people expect a big jump for each new instalment

[EddieNX]

Its not though.

[Highlife]

Is Mario kart really a big jump from game to game? Almost everything in that game is recycled. Other games get murdered for that.

[bluefox755]

@Highlife Nintendo seems to be held to a different standard than other companies for some reason.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

@Highlife
Yes from Mario Kart Wii to 8 is a big jump
Even Mario Kart 64 to Double Dash and DS to Mario Kart 7

[NotoriousWhiz]

@Highlife, Mario Kart games don't come out annually and you rarely see 2 on the same console.

[TekoIie]

@bluefox755

As was said above Mario Kart typically only has 1 release per console. I'm not sure what game series is analogous to Mario Kart to bring us to the conclusion that nintendo is getting a free pass on something.

[Uken12]

I played the Test Fire, the controls are better and the graphics are better to say the least. Maybe it will have a more fleshed out Single Player and more fleshed out multiplayer. Then I would consider a real sequel.

And to everyone who is complaining about it being a Deluxe Splatoon and acting like Nintendo is terrible, by your logic all COD, Ass Creeds and Battlefields are just "Deluxe" versions. But they aren't, so why do these rules only apply to a Nintendo shooter?

[_-EDMIX-_]

You beat me to it lol

absolutely all of us we're listing it as that because what we really to do?

It made a lot of sense it kind of fell in line with rumors and what a lot of us thought they would be doing.

I'm not going to sit here and argue about the game being very much similar to the first game or more of the first game because I would actually say that's kind of what I want from Nintendo at this point.

One of the things I actually didn't care for Nintendo in the past 10 years or so is that they keep basically destroying series trying to reinvent something nobody asked them to do.

We've been hearing lots of Nintendo Gamers about this "quality over quantity" bs but the reality is when you look at Star Fox Zero how many crapy Star Fox did we go to just to land at one of the worst Star Fox games? This is one of those situations where I look back at Star Fox 64 and then just say maybe they were better off just releasing the same game with different levels because at least that would have been more enjoyable than the crap that we just had to spend the better part of almost 20 years of garbage.

Some games make sense to progressed and some games that are static makes sense to just focus on the Core Concepts.

Nintendo has lost an absolute ridiculous amount of market share and I believe mindshare from consumers that probably would have been opened purchasing games like Star Fox if they just have the damn dog inside of the plane flying straight with the occasional all range mode.

I was never asking for him to be outside of the ship I was never begging for motion controls or any of that crap so in my opinion they basically lost a potential Market of consumers that probably over the last 20 years would have had no problem just purchasing the same type of game.

So of course they didn't milk Star Fox 64 but let's be honest it's not as if they did miraculous things with that series over the last 20 years they've basically kept trying to change it and turned it into other crap to the point where I would have been completely happy if they just redid the same thing over and over.

I'm sorry folks but nothing is wrong with keeping a concept that way it is if it's not meant to be Progressive in the first place do you seriously think I'm crying over all the Mega Man games? I'd rather have a bunch of Mega Man games that are actually great games, then have Mega Man 1 and then spent 20 years with crappy and crappy titles that continuously move away from the core concept of the original.

So if they released several Splatoon games that only just add levels and different weapons and keep the same core mechanics trust me I'm all for it and I don't even play that series.

Believe me when I say this you don't want to be a star Fox fan Waiting for a Star Fox 64 types equal that clearly would have been easy as pie.

They wasted that opportunity chasing something that no one was asking for and it might have been one of the stupidest decisions I've seen a company make.

If people like flying straight and shooting stuff for god sakes continuously work on flying straight and shooting stuff they wasted an opportunity that I just don't believe other Publishers would have been messing with.

Leave it to Nintendo to ruin a series that had no place with Dinosaurs in crappy motion controls so I'm definitely for Splatoon to being like Splatoon one I don't want them doing any more of this stupid reinventing the wheel crap over again .

[zuul9018]

Dang sir, that was a long one.

[TekoIie]

@zuul9018

It's EDMIX. You expect it at this point.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

come on like chill with these wall of text.
Aint nobody got time fo dat

[DashMad]

People forget or just dumb enough to realize that splatoon is a shooter game. game on this genre have kept the same formula or just minor change example they all have the standard PvP mode which in case of splatoon is the turf war and kept the same mode that loved by fan over the year just look at every new COD release have zombie mode ever since the nazi zombies appeared on COD world at war.

seriously what do you think you want then ?? The inkling sudenly to become monster squid and shoot real bullet??

[pcz]

The game is a deluxe version of splatoon.

Nintendo are just trying to fool consumers by calling it a sequel

The switch already has a load of wiiu ports so Nintendo are trying to pass this splatoon off as a new game.

Pathetic really

[Summons75]

Only idiots thought it was a port. I knew it was a sequel with that second clip.

[Monster_Tard]

Partly due to people like Laura Kate Dale and Emily Rogers who claimed they had inside information that said it was going to be a port.

[EddieNX]

Yes, its an iterative sequel with all new levels, content and campaign. Its also portable and be played with LAN. Is Forza 6 a sequel to Forza 5?

[PlayableGamez-]

People were contemplating if Forza 6 was a true sequel to. So you are not helping your case..

[EddieNX]

Except Forza 6 handles much better than Forza 5 and includes tons of new features, content , tracks ertc like Splatoon 2.

Splatoon 3 probably won't look much different to Splatoon 2. Just a sequel with new stuff. Did you expect Splatoon 2 to look like Uncharted 4 lol. Its a bunch of squids in some ink.

[pcz]

People expect racing and sports titles to be updates.

But people expect other genres to give them a totally new experience with each sequel.

Even call of duty gives you a new game. Why would splatoon be any different.

Nintendo are known for reinvention, if they can reinvent Mario several times over for more than 30 years, why is splatoon an exception?

Nintendo are simply getting lazy and sloppy.

[The 10th Rider]

Exactly. I don't get what people are expecting. Most shooters see new maps, new campaign, new customization options and weapons, and minor gameplay tweaks . . . All of which is what Splatoon 2 has. Most people who played Splatoon recognized it was most likely a sequel from the first short burst of footage we first saw. How many people saying it doesn't look like a sequel actually played the first game? From the outside looking in, many series look nearly identical between entries: Uncarted 2 and Uncharted 3, Forza (as you said), Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4, Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3, Bioshock 1 and Bioshock 2, Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 . . . The list could go on and on.

[Prince_TFK]

Does it matter what they call it? Because they gonna charge it full price either way no matter if it has "deluxe" or "2" at the end.

For me I dont care what its called, as long as it good i will buy it.

[PapaBop]

Will it really matter? I imagine a good chunk of Switch owners never picked up a Wii U so it'll be their first experience with Splatoon and one they'll likely enjoy.

[Takwin]

Think of it like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Madden, NBA2K, and every racing game.

Iterative sequels.

[_-EDMIX-_]

The fact that all of us originally thought the footage we saw was from a port is enough to question its existence.

I still remember when all of us were listing it when we saw it at one of the presentations as Splatoon port.

I think when they first showed the game through one of their highlight reels I think that might have been a very bad way of showing it, because lots of gamers for months simply believed it was a port, I don't remember many people thinking it was a sequel and I think that's what's lending lots of people to realize just how similar it looks so similar that people might question if there's even a point to having a sequel anyway.

When the sequel looks so much like the original that for months people believed that's what they saw during the Highlight Reel something is definitely wrong. It's definitely not the way I think you should debut a sequel.

Mind you I don't really think it's THAT bad that Splatoon 2 looks a lot like the first game simply that if the team understood this maybe it probably wasn't a good idea to debut it through a highlight-reel that essentially led consumers to be confused at what they were looking at......For months.

We were all listing it as "port" and it was just strange to hear at their official reveal to say Splatoon 2.

[The 10th Rider]

That's not true. There's literally less than ten seconds of footage from the Switch reveal trailer, over half of which is just inklings emerging from their spawn points. Even with that short burst of footage people recognized the new map and that you can further customize your inkling. Although it's within the realm of possibility that those could be added in a port, many people assumed it was a full sequel. Many of the people who assumed it is a port were people that didn't play the first one or have much experience with it. If you went to any Nintendo news sites or hung around people that played the first game, it was commonly thought that the game is a sequel.

[_-EDMIX-_]

That's nice but there was many of us on this site that's all that original trailer and it was enough for all of us to come to the conclusion that it was simply just the first Splatoon

Mind you it was just an assumption on our part and can you really blame us? Looking at the footage it wouldn't shock any of us that it was really the first game so none of us really paid it any mind and just assumed it was the first only because you would have been such a strange way to even announce Splatoon 2.

I'm sorry but we were all free to speculate and a lot of our opinions originally was that it was simply just the first game ported over because it made a lot of sense.

You're saying that people recognize the new maps, I mean that's nice ,that's cute ,that they made new maps that doesn't really mean it's a sequel it could simply mean that they're adding on maps that's something a lot of us believe that they were going to do.

If you look back at those N4G articles you can actually see that the absolute vast majority of us believe it was just Splatoon one with more maps.

Even people that are die-hard Nintendo fans believe that please dear God stop attacking everyone on this site all we're saying is that a lot of us thought it was the first game.

So are we free to not make a mistake? Are you telling me for fact we should have known it was the sequel? That's like saying if the DICE showed some footage of Battlefield footage from what looked like to be Battlefield 1 through a series of trailers only to announce later and say it's really the sequel to Battlefield 1, how on Earth are we really to know such a thing? It's just a bizarre way to announce a game and you cannot deny that the game looks literally exactly the same.

Many consumers could have just confused my hypothetical as DLC, so all I'm simply saying is stop trying to attack and demonize every user that thought it was the first game because there's a lot of people on here are fans of the company who also believed it was the first game with some extras.

I would argue the absolute vast majority believed it was simply the first game with some extras only because of how it was shown in the first place it's just very strange and unnatural to reveal a sequel to a game through a highlight reel.

Sorry but if they told us today that this is Splatoon Deluxe, I would believe them.

I'm sorry but there is no other possible feasible way that any human being could ever decipher that the footage shown to that highlight reel was really the sequel, especially with how similar they look they literally look like carbon copies of each other so it's very hard for anyone to know that's the sequel other than Nintendo themselves.

That would be like you arguing with Nintendo right now if they said this was really Splatoon Deluxe so you're going to tell the company that made this game it's really slow tune to and not Splatoon Deluxe DLC extras?

Are you not getting that it's only Splatoon 2 by Nintendo choosing? It's not that by anything other than the company choosing to they could have technically just called this Splatoon Deluxe with all of the extra stuff that's coming and with the first game.

Think about it.

There's nothing visually that you technically could see that is going to tell you that this is the sequel.

Sure you could guess that it's the sequel but to be honest it's something that you're not really going to know based on any real visual cue.

Mind you people who played the first one are the ones that were just thinking it was a port because of how similar it looked.

[zuul9018]

Who is "all of us"?

[The 10th Rider]

All those anti-Nintendo people who hang around.

[_-EDMIX-_]

You are correct ,I should have just said most of us.

@10-

http://n4g.com/news/1976579...

https://youtu.be/B0Hj_MpfoH...

So as you see, a lot of people believed it could be a port I don't think they're haters or anti Nintendo or anything like that they just believe the footage that they saw could possibly be a port that's not saying you're against the company.

Smh.

[Gemmol]

the reason your point do not make sense and the reason his point made sense the 10th rider, is because Nintendo already stated splatoon stop getting updates and features..........so if they said that already, common sense would kick in when you see new map in video that its a new game........but nope the people on here who come to complain on every nintendo article who do not know anything about the game just like to open their mouth

[Summons75]

*faceplam* If you have to ask then you paid ZERO attention to any of the information. I guess if taking place 2 years after the original, having a completely new hub city, new characters, new story, new weapons, all new specials, revamped and rebalanced returning weapons, new maps, and new modes means it's not a sequel then I guess there has never been a sequel ever in the history of games....How stupid can people be.

[middletonb]

Suggest that you read the article.

[Platformgamer]

I don't know, but it's sure that is a mediocre game like the first one

[corroios]

In other words another game frow the wiiu that runs barely at 720p docked and portable is sub hd on a cartony game. Amazing . Only nintendo can get away with this.

[brewin]

Its only the 2nd splatoon game. People buy and play cod, madden, batlefield etc etc etc every single freakin year but yea sure, splatoon 2 is more of the same so nintendo gets flak for this?! Wtf is wrong with people?!

[WPX]

Responding to that question, I'm going to quote an earlier post:
"Nintendo seems to be held to a different standard than other companies for some reason."
... uh huh, sure.

[namEuser]

All im going to say is, might as well get used to it people...ths is what the WiiU was supposed to be, so expect alot of "Good" games that were on the WiiU to be brought to the Switch. To be straight up, im not really going to get one just now because i want to wait and see if there is going to be a Call of Duty releasing for it, i like my shooters but Splatoon is not for me sorry, and dont tell me that they will not have a Call of Duty for it because the WiiU had Black ops 2, and it ran better than my X1 Ghost did..looked better too lol

I love Nintendo, i grew up with them as one of my main consoles back in the day, as of right now i dont have anything...im not going to explain why i traded my X1 and my Windwaker HD WiiU Edition in for money...i had to 😕 So im starting fresh, trying to figure out what to get i know PS4 is killing it, but im just not into Playstation anymore...

What really pisses me off about Microsoft is when i had my Xbox One it didnt even fit my tv, no settings to adjust or anything, on console or tv, yes the console had a fit setting but the setting my tv fit was a setting that cut out half of the picture........one of the reasons why i got rid of the X1, my WiiU had no issue fitting my tv and has a correct fit setting in the console, so why didnt Microsoft? Yes, my tv is older but its a Vizeo Full 1080p Plasma didsplay and it does not have a "shut off" feature for "Progressive Scan" so i guess thats my problem i guess, but i shouldnt have to buy a new tv to purchase a video game console to correctly work on...unless its a new format like 4k...

So do i want a Nintendo Switch? Sure i do, but i dont want to here about no 3rd party support, especially for different generations..i understand its a Nintendo console and alot of 1st party games will be there so thats good, and u cant tell me the feature of it being a portable is not a great idea ☺

[Pricey]

10/10

[3-4-5]

They launched a ton of content with Splatoon 1....that will all be there plus more free DLC.

It will eventually have a whole 2nd games worth of content, and if they are going e-sports with it then it for sure will have enough content to be a full sequel.

The last 4 call of duty's looked the same....that didn't stop millions from buying it.

[kangolkyle]

It's a shooter. It's confirmed to have:

1. A New Campaign
2. New Weapons
3. New Maps
4. A New Hub-World and Setting (Two Years Later)

What else would it need to be "really a sequel" ?

[Athos]

It would need to say Sony on the package.

[Gemmol]

it have to say Sony on the package or have Sony publish it

[vickers500]

Is this "campaign" similar to Splatoon 1s "campaign"?

[Prince_TFK]

It needs to have the word "PS4 Exclusive" on the box.

[NotanotherReboot]

Even Call of Duty sequels differentiate themselves to their predecessors more than this has to the first game.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You've just proven you know nothing and paid very little attention to the reveal.
GG

[NotanotherReboot]

You've just proven you're butthurt over facts regarding a little kids game.
GG

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Inkopolis is redesigned, New maps and weapons, new story, New music, and yet people are still downplaying it despite not having seen all there is..
Why are they doing this to Splatoon when they never do so to other sequels that look like they could "just be dlc"?
Some people have a real hate boner for Nintendo...

[antikbaka]

Nope, it's just fan-base rip off due to a move to new system.

[captainexplosion]

For this to be a successful sequel it needs a longer campaign, more modes, and without the many silly design restrictions of the original. It better have new modes but right now it sounds like it won't. I really hope it has a mode that incorporates enemies from the game. And it also really needs team deathmatch which I think would work well in Splatoon. The main mode turf war is pretty boring and tower control or whatever it was called was nearly broken.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Well I never played Splatoon since I don't own a Wii U. This will be a new experience for me and I never heard any Splatoon fans complaining.

[Gaz_KnightofNylrac]

Where is this line of thought coming from? Is it because it "looks" like the first game? It's called Splatoon 2 for a reason, presumably that it's a sequel and not a "Deluxe" port like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but I'll ask anyways.

If it's simply being based solely on looks, then I kinda get that. At first glance, I thought it was an updated port as well, but that's the art style in this case. Looking at the gameplay for longer than a few seconds reveals a ton of new additions and gameplay tweaks. Having played the Global Testfire last weekend, it does look similar but with a few subtle improvements I feel. Granted this is also able to be played portably on Switch this time around, at least matching the fidelity of a Wii U game is quite impressive, but I guess it's disappointing if you were somehow expecting something different?

If it's the gameplay, what were you expecting? Splatoon was and still remains such a unique experience and concept that I was fully expecting a Splatoon 2 to use the same template that was introduced only 2 years ago. No other game plays like this series, so "more of the same" but with different maps and loadouts and being portable is enough for me to be excited having loved the first game to death. When you're the only game doing something in a particular way, I don't see the harm in playing to that strength, especially on a console that only had theoretically less than 10 million players having experienced the game.

There's enough newness that I've seen and played myself that I'm not seeing what the blowback on this is. If it was simply Splatoon with a few extra things, why not call it Splatoon Switch or something? What would make it seem like a "real" Splatoon 2 that it isn't doing?

I'm genuinely curious and fascinated by why this doesn't seem like a "real sequel" to some.

[DashMad]

What do you all expect then? it's a shooter at it's core. changing formula too much on shooter, fighting game and sports you will get huge backlash from raging fans that why most shooter or fighting game from any devs kept the same formula or just have only minor change every iteration.

[DrierofLeaves]

Is Forza 7 really a sequel?

[sk8ofmnd]

Nope... Just like with mario kart and whatever wiiu game that did well sales wise.

[Sm3000]

Gimped azz launch lineup
Btw, who else thinks edmix sniffs ritalin/adderall/coke and types comments here all day? Dude never types a comment shorter than four paragraphs minimum

[Dragonscale]

Splatoon ver 1.2 lol.

[EastOfTheAnduin]

Let's see...
Splatoon...
Splatoon... "2"

Yep.

[EastOfTheAnduin]

Honestly, the first game was so great, they could have done a straight port, with new Splatfests and I would have bought it again.