PlayStation Neo Rumor Says Lower Console Production Prices Forced Sony To Make A New PS4

PlayStation Neo rumors suggest that Sony's new PS4 was never intended to exist. Find out how AMD production shifts may have spawned this very divisive console!

[uth11]

So if consoles devolve into a smartphone or PC like situation where your hardware is barely usable after 2-3 years, blame AMD for forcing the change?

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

Rumors state that both consoles will play the same games, so your question is not applicable to the situation. There is no answer.

[bouzebbal]

This is only possible because ps4 is selling so much.. The more they sell the cheaper it becomes to produce.
Games will run the same way on both.. PS4K will have extra power for the 4K resolution imo.. If that extra power helps games to run 1080p 60fps then it's all good even people without 4K TV can invest if they wish.
No idea why people believe this upgraded console runs exclusive games. It would be suicidal to kill the hype train PS4 this way

[NewMonday]

this is a Reddit users speculation not a rumor at all

AFAIK AMD dose reference design not actual manufacturing, so nothing for them to streamline

[GordonKnight]

@abzdiine

If there are exclusives for the PS4K they will be PSVR experiences, not normal games. Also, PSVR is the bigger reason for creating neo.

[AndrewLB]

@NewMonday

AMD's manufactures these APU's at GlobalFoundries.

Also, you didn't seem to read the reddit posting because if you had, you'd know that it came directly from VRWorld.

From the original VRworld article:

"At the same time, we managed to learn that SONY ran into a roadblock with their original PlayStation 4 plans. Just like all the previous consoles (PSX to PSOne, PS2, PS3), the plan was to re-do the silicon with a ‘simple’ die shrink, moving its APU and GPU combination from 28nm to 14nm. While this move was ‘easy’ in the past – you pay for the tapeout and NRE (Non-Recurring Engineering), neither Microsoft nor Sony were ready to pay for the cost of moving from a planar transistor (28nm) to a FinFET transistor design (14nm).

This ‘die-shrink’ requires to re-develop the same chip again, with a cost measured in excess of a hundred million dollars (est. $120-220 million). With Sony PlayStation VR retail packaging being a mess of cables and what appears to be a second video processing console, in the spring of 2014 SONY pulled the trigger and informed AMD that they would like to adopt AMD’s upcoming 14nm FinFET product line, based on successor of low-power Puma (16h) CPU and the Polaris GPU processor architecture."

http://vrworld.com/2016/05/...

[ILostMyMind]

@GordonKnight
No. All games will run on PS4, including the PS-VR. The reason for the creation of the Neo is technological advancement and cost reduction. They will offer the best option for you if you want.

[donthate]

Andrew:

Sony's move to a mid-cycle upgrade is forcing MS hand, and this seems consistent with Sony being the first to release a new console. In a twist of fate though, I suspect this benefit MS more because it sort of resets the generation, giving MS the chance to catch up hardware wise.

[JackBNimble]

Still waiting to see any evidence that this (ps4k ) is anything other then just a rumor . Everyone excited about the ps4k talk about it as if Sony has made an announcement and the ps4k is fact. Fact is it's not , and may very well be just a pipe dream .

@ chuckyj1
If we need a ps4k to use the psvr then Sony screwed up bad. Considered this, Sony has 40 million ps4 in the world and all Sony needs to do is convince us to buy the psvr. That's alot easier then to try ti convince us to be a ps4k and a psvr.
Beside that if I have to spend a $1000 on ps4k and psvr, then I may as well buy an oculus on my pc instead considering consoles are going to be replaced every 3 years.

[chuckyj1]

I always thought the main reason behind the PS4 NEO was additional power for the PlayStation VR. PS4 didn't have enough... So PS4 NEO is the answer.

[FITgamer]

f they are continuing to produce current models, it doesn't make sense that they had to make new model.

[ninsigma]

In what world is a PC unusable after 2-3 years??

[uth11]

If you don't want to shell out $300+ for a new graphics card, then good luck playing the latest AAA games after 2 years

[lelo2play]

@uth11

Did you just say a $300+ graphics card becomes obsolete after two years?

Oh, the ignorance!

[skidmarc]

Totally agree. A good $300 video card will last at least 5 or so years. I have a gtx 560ti back from 2011 that will still play games.

[killer_goat]

Every world

[itsmebryan]

The world of a person that doesn't understand PCs and. APC gaming.

[Stapleface]

@Uth, last I checked there are still people running 600 series, while playing modern games. I know my 780ti, although not $300, but several years old, still does quite well.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@uth11- "If you don't want to shell out $300+ for a new graphics card, then good luck playing the latest AAA games after 2 years"

If you don't want to Shell out $300 for a new PlayStation 4 or new Xbox One you could actually still play your original and all the games that release so I have no clue what you're talking about..

Even in your stupid analogy it's incorrect simply because the new 1080 GTX that's releasing is not required to play the games releasing in the next two years it's nice to have but in no way shape or form is it required as a minimum to play any game releasing anytime soon.

Somebody that games on both PC and console I could tell you right now you're incorrect and by the number of disagrees you have the fact that you're actually still stating the same stupidness only shows just how little you actually know.

So how many times does somebody need to correct you for you to understand?

Why is it that when somebody uses a 1.1 example to show you the similarities between console and PC you disregard it and then run away?

The new PlayStation 4 and Xbox One is no different than the GTX 1080, it is nice to have, it is not required to play the latest games for the rest of the generation and is completely optional.

[Sharky231]

I don't think it's unusable.. I think every 2-3 years they've got some kind of upgraded hardware.

[AndrewLB]

@uth11

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

https://youtu.be/wQmTcm5voj...

[2v1]

With out update hardware all you have is a console

[Germaximus]

People need to stop the nonsense of "my five year old card can still play games". That's great but you're sure as hell not playing them on Ultra settings at max FPS.

[boodi]

I'm using to make 2 kind of different jobs 2 Lenovo Thinkpad ( t61 and another similar ) , and it runs pretty fast and do anything I need ..

[Kleptic]

there is some goofy information floating around from both sides of the fence...

yes, you can get half a decade out of a PC gpu...but only with the assumption that you bought a high end beast initially...

One example thrown around was a $300 560ti 'still playing games'...the most recent multiplatform release worth mentioning would be Doom... a Ps4 can run that at decent settings usually safely in the 1080/60fps range (the dynamic res messes with that, but w/e)...a 560ti couldn't even load the game...

I have a 280x, which is based off a gpu from 2011...in 2013 I paid just under $300 for it, and it runs anything above 60fps, but definitely needs to have some settings tweaked in order to do so on newer games...but, in 2011 (5 years ago ironically), that card was closer to $700...not $300...7970/280x's are also over twice as powerful as what is in either current console, for reference...again, that is a card...from 2011...

[R6ex]

Resolution is the main factor. If you stick to HD-Ready 720p monitor, your graphic card will last forever!

[WelkinCole]

Its a rumor but it kinda make sense. PS4 is already the most powerful console of the 3. Its already very easy to dev for. Its beating the competition sales wise and is getting closer to their PS2 dominance.

I never hear PS fans wanting more power nor devs complaining about not enough power on the PS4. The only exception is VR where it might be under powered and PSVR devs might be asking for more. Why I still think this new version is really is for PSVR.

There are no highly sort after feature like cross game chat that warrant spec upgrade. Nothing.

Neo in this sense makes absolutely no sense but instead its dividing the existing PS4 base.

If Sony are forced to use the new AMD chips because they can't continue to reduce the cost of the existing CPU/GPU chip then at least that would make some sort of sense. Traditionally console holders continue to reduce cost of components to save cost. If they can't then some things will need to change.

AMD is a business and its seems like they at least have Sony by the balls if this rumor is true.

We shall see.

[joeorc]

Good article's content thumbs up.

But.

Being an engineering person myself..what The Rumor is stating is while this is just my opinion alone , but there is a very good reslason why I think this Rumor to not only be false. But also my reason for my disagreement is more Sound .

If you look at chipworks xray scan of the chipset of the PS4's system on a chip and how it differs from the Xbox one design layout on its xray also by chipworks.

I doubt this rumor to be True.
Reason being one of the things that I think many have forgotten is Sony's process is 3D stacked TSV. While Microsoft is not using such for its Xbox one design.

If you do not know what that is or have not known that. Than its no wonder many may think this Rumor is true.

Which is exactly why I doubt this very much to be true. Since its 3D stacked TSV it require custom production that more expensive upfront but saves cost in reduction on the Soc later. As nano meter shrinks further increase.

The PS3 did not use such. But the PSVita and PS4 however does.

Many not taking this engineering production template technology in consideration may no doubt think this rumor to be true. But by chipworks xray and break down of the hardware on a xray level show's to me its more than likely not true.

Example:

SCEI (Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc.) CXD90026G SoC (includes AMD "Jaguar" Cores and AMD Radeon Graphics GPU)

Do many here think AMD is the one in production fabrication of this chip?

http://wccftech.com/amds-ps...

No ..thus its not AMD its partners of AMD! Its far cheaper to reduction of the current Die than having to change the power requirements by increasing on that die. Higher GPU, Processor and connection Bus and also than having to upgrade the passive and active thermal dissipate material to go along with it on top of that , that means more expenses toward Engineer costs and design.

Reduction in current fabrication of die size is far cheaper.
With people disagreement with my assement, go right ahead, but at least say why.. If not than at least show why with valid Arguments on the opposite view points. At least with my points I am showing Valid response and with link support by independent collaboration.

Those disagreeing, can have an opinion on this , but at least say something.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@joe- very good read and I agree with what was stated.

[Ashunderfire86]

If GameStop, Amazon, and other outlets have a promotional deal to trade in your old PS4 and get the upgraded one for $100 bucks! It' will help sell the PS4 Neo. Yes it will kind of divide the community, but I just hope it doesn't blow up in their face. They are so dam close to PS2 sells.

[AndrewLB]

@joeorc

Your whole argument gets thrown out the window because PS4 does not use 3D Stacked Through Silicone Via (TSV) Interconnects because it's not using Stacked HBM memory.

[ninsigma]

That just isn't remotely true. You just can't play it on the highest settings. 750 ti is now 2 years old and far behind the newest cards out there yet is still used to play the newest games.

[lelo2play]

Well, with all these rumours I just sold my PS4 and I'm in no rush to purchase a new PS4k or Xbox 1.5. My PS4 was collecting dust and at this moment my PC is more then enough for my gaming needs. Simply put, the PS4 or X1 don't have that many obligatory quality exclusives.

In all honesty, this gen has been quite poor in PS4/X1 exclusives.

[Kaneki-Ken]

Lol, PS4 have poor exclusive. You very funny mate, I guess you a troll.

[NatureOfLogic_]

I'm thinking of selling my PS4 as well since I have a gaming PC, I can't pull the trigger yet due to FFXV and GTSports. my PS4 is currently collecting dust right now. Now that I think about I should probably turn it on to make sure it still works. It's been a while since I've had it on. These rumours had the same affect on me.

[hiawa23]

But your PS4 currently is useable. If you don't want to upgrade then you get the same games as you currently do as the current specs wI'll allow, but those who want to uparade can. What PC is barely useable in 2-3 years.

[subtenko]

Except thats not the case, its like ps3 fat -> ps3 slim with extra incentive.

[Tsar4ever01]

I wouldn't blame AMD for this "iterative upgrades", I applaud them.

No more static 5-7 yr console cycles. Constant upgraded specs that shifts & update with the technology. No more broken software compatibility after every new console hardware updates, backwards & forwards software compatibility, but the console hardware keeps getting better. No more holding back high-end PC games since most 3rd party games are being designed off "lowest common denominator" console specs. And as a console gamer, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT!! You have a choice.

As a base Ps4 owner, I'm not the least bit bothered by this. I'm perfectly fine with 95% of my ps4 games running native 1080p at unstabled 30 or 60 fps. I already decided not to buy the Neo, because I feel that the Jaguar cpu cores still inside will hold back the Neo's TRUE POWER. So I'm holding out for the PlayStation after NEO,( "Not callin' it the Ps5") in 2018-19, because I'm sure the PlayStation after Neo will be running AMD's new Zen core(smt) APU with HBM2 memory with a much more powerful Radeon VEGA or NAVI gpu.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"hardware is barely usable after 2-3 years"

I'm sorry buddy but there's no excuse to be this slow and ignorant you've posted way too many times on this topic to not know, for how long you've posted on this. Too many people have been correcting you for you to not understand why your post doesn't make any sense other than sheer ignorance.

But I guess we're going to use the classic it's "kool to be a fool" stance huh?

So One More Time since apparently it's not enough to be told a dozen times ..where did you hear that the other platforms would be obsolete once a new one released?

Where did you hear that this is a new generation starting?

Where did you read that games would not be supported for the older platforms?

But then again this isn't your first time being positioned like this is it? So why on Earth do you keep asking saying the same statements only to be corrected by like a dozen users?

[Aenea]

Nah, AMD didn't force Sony to do this, Sony had a choice, invest around $220 million and have AMD make APUs with the exact same specs as the PS4's or use AMD's newer stuff without the cost of $220 million (or at least a hell of a lot less).

If you were Sony what would you do?

[iTechHeads]

A 3-year of iPhone works perfectly fine.
The problem here is that people want the best there is.

[kenwonobi]

Arguing over getting to play the same games. Get over it.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Somehow, someway, people will blame Nividia instead.

[PeaSFor]

"is barely usable after 2-3 years"

wut?

[Nivekki]

I'm still playing games on pc with a 670gtx and a 2500k. It's more than possible. I'm only now starting to feel the bite from my hardware and feeling like an upgrade. I've had this setup since 2011. I paid £180 for the card and just over £100 for the cpu back than. That's not bad going really.

I'll probably still get £100 or so back selling them on.

[Obscure_Observer]

Forced? I doubt that! If the rumored leaked NEO specs is anything to go by, the processor will be the bottleneck for NEO

[nitus10]

Sigh! another rumor.

Wake me when we get official specifications and a release date, then I will take notice but until then Yawn!

[Rookie_Monster]

Loving it. If the games are backward/forward compatible between Neo/PS4, then I see nothing wrong with that. GT sport can take advantage of the new higher spec for power hungry gamers like myself and still be playable to current PS4 owners that are happy with how it looks currently. Option is a nice thing.

[MasterCornholio]

Didn't you say it would hurt current PS4 owners?

P.S This is what happens when you abolish the ignore function from N4G.

[Rookie_Monster]

LOL@MasterCornholio, 

This is like the second time you had done this and you just lied to the general public again.

If you are going to use my old comments, please use all of what I said...it only makes you look like a fool and a desperate hater. LOL

Here is my full comment. 
"SONY don't care. They will throw out the Neo and people with existing PS4 will all buy it. SONY really have a loyal following and they can do no wrong even though this move is more or less a stab in the back of the existing 40 million console owners. Having said that, Day One! Mid gen upgrade is the future and we should all embrace it like I have been saying previously." 

You are like a shady lawyer trying to withhold the full truth to the jury. LOL

[MachuchalBrotha316]

Nice try...

[Germany7]

Master is right, where the is the ignore function? This Rookie guy is a troll with serious issues, it's not normal to create an account just to make these kind of comments.
Let's be honest, some trolls are funny, but this guy is just dumb and really annoying, a normal person more than fifteen years old would be ashamed to have this kind of behavior.

[ziggurcat]

Again, Rookie, the full quote doesn't change the context of your comment - which was saying Sony is stabbing people who already own a PS4 in the back if they release the Neo. And you literally edited in the last sentence *after* you got swamped with disagrees.

[Orionsangel]

What are you gonna do with your old PS4? Use it as a doorstop? The value is gonna drop significantly when the Neo is released. You're not angry that you spent over 400 dollars on a console and now so soon they'e basically replacing it with a superior version? You must have money to burn.

[TFJWM]

My old PS4 will go into the bedroom...

[FamilyGuy]

Give it to a sibling, other relative, friend or spouse that doesn't have or couldn't afford a Ps4?
It's a nice gift

[MasterCornholio]

I didn't lie at all.

You said this move is a stab in the back to current PS4 owners. Which means your suggesting that it's hurting them.

The only one being shady here is you.

"SONY really have a loyal following and they can do no wrong even though this move is more or less a stab in the back of the existing 40 million console owners. "

All you did was prove me right and make yourself look silly in the process.

P.S Don't bother editing your comment since I take pictures of them.

@Staple

Why not?

I mean it's more efficient than to read someone's posting history to find something to use against them which is what Rookie does. I mean you just need to look at his comment history to see that.

[Rookie_Monster]

"You said this move is a stab in the back to current PS4 owners. Which means your suggesting that it's hurting them. "

ROTFL, I think you are confusing my metaphor of "stabbing" in the back and an actual stabbing that actually hurt people. That was too funny.

Example: I bought an IPhone today, and Apple release another one with higher specs 6 months later without warning. Many people that bought the older model iPhone will feel cheater..ie..like a stab in the back by Apple. But in the end, they understand it is a neccessary technology advancement cycle and they can either upgrade to a new one or stay where they are.

Hope you learn something new here today. :)

[Stapleface]

Damn dude, you take pictures of his comments? That's a little bit mental. Does Rookie really get to you that bad? He must have had a great laugh after that comment. If he is a troll, he's got you good.

[tinynuggins]

You take pictures of comments!? Come on man, go outside today and get some fresh air. Don't take this stuff so serious.

[ziggurcat]

@Rookie:

saying sony is stabbing current PS4 owners in the back with the Neo is saying that sony is doing figurative harm to those people because they might feel deceived/cheated/wronged. master wasn't confusing anything.

@Staple/Nuggins:

He has a tendency to edit his comments after the fact, often to cover up his hypocrisy. Why else would he edit (in an honestly sad display of cowardice) a 34-day old comment about 40 hours ago? It had only been edited because someone had cited it in order to prove he was lying. The comment went from:

"Haters gonna hate. What else is new coming from you regarding a xbox game? I hope you will at least stop commenting on these Xbox thread so it will at least be better for us fans. Don't you have anything better to do on a Saturday, notgenuinexbox-user?"

to

"Smh"

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

Hell, even the portion of his comment stating Sony was stabbing people in the back was edited after the fact (from, "having said that..." on was added afterwards in a poor attempt to seem "neutral").

[Rookie_Monster]

Wow, you actually take picture of my commets? ROTFL. Dude, this is a fantasy videogame forum, it is not a Political election race.....you cats don't need to take this so seriously, hardcore style. :)

But for you, it don't surprise me as you have stolen one now my copyrighted picture before and try to pull off the stunt...Isn't that right? LoL

[maniacmayhem]

I agree, if he is a supposed troll like you and others claim and now he has you not only sifting through past comments but also taking pictures then the joke is truly on you @Corn and Cat

[ziggurcat]

Actually, maniac, it speaks more to his character that he feels he has to edit his comments - especially ones that are over a month old - to hide what he's actually said.

And, no... I don't take any photos.

[OB1Biker]

I dont want Neo to be 'forward compatible' though because I want the PS5 to have exclusive games taking advantage of the new hardware day 1 and be a real new generation instead of just a step up with the same 'enhanced' games'
Neo is still a PS4 even if it play the same games but 'just better' its not a major reason to upgrade for most gamers although it gives more choice for new buyers

[Xavy]

Damn you AMD lol.

Day 1 buy

[Next_gen_2015]

Rebuy a console you already own for a little more horsepower? Yea i doubt that

$ony messed up big time. Vanilla Ps4 should've had better specs

@Xavy

i said its ok for xbox one to upgrade because the specs were weak from the jump. Its more understandable if MS makes a more powerful X1 since its lagging behind competition. Also when did i ever say xbox one was my platform of choice? Thats just an assumption you made because im against the PS4.5....Grow up

[Xavy]

Yeah 40 mil is messing up loool.
Tell that to everyone that buys a new gfx card and they will spit on your face, or better yet accoring to your comment history you clearly are an xbot who said this ""I dont mind the xbox one getting a hardware upgrade"

just STFU.

@Next_gen_2015

You said its ok for xbox one to have an upgrade BECAUSE thats your platform of choice, and it would kill your little fanboy heart to see an even more powerful PS4 infront of you.
Man just stop with the BS your comment history is there for everyone to see.

[Tsar4ever01]

"$ony messed up big time. Vanilla Ps4 should've had better specs"

Sony could've put better specs in the base PS4, than YOU would've been Pissed and Bitched about why it has a High price.

[Spyroo]

"Vanilla PS4 should've had better specs"

K, so you wanted a $500 PS4 at launch?

Lol your a fool. Hardware becomes cheaper to manufacture over time and the hardware they manufactured in 2013 for PS4 at $399 made them no profit until later when the hardware becomes cheaper.

If PS4 launched at $500 then it wouldn't have sold this well.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Why?

People replace their GPUs all the time for more power this actually really isn't that different....

PlayStation 4 specs are the reason why it's the fastest selling current console right now and why it's destroying competition. Well-placed specs well priced too. Of course PlayStation 4 could have had better specs but at what cost to Consumers? I'm sorry but many would not favour purchasing base PlayStation 4 at 700 or $800 just to have better specs that seems to be a bit wild I think Sony was correct by going with the specs that they had for the price that they had, there's still a business.

I'd rather pay that for an upgraded optional console then the base, not everyone wants the latest GPU and upgrade just like not everyone will buy a PlayStation 4 with the upgrade many would rather just play the base which is the reason why it was best Sony priced and spec the PlayStation 4 as they did.

[Next_gen_2015]

@Spyroo

$500? Looking at PS neo specs...it probably would've been a $450 console at launch (which is fine)

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Says the guy that said he don't mind the Xbox One getting a upgraded hardware. #Hypocrite

[FamilyGuy]

If it plays 4k movies and video content I'm all-in. Why buy a stand-alone player when you could get a PS4k?

[lipton101]

I just bought a $2,000 SUHD 4K tv and if you can afford it, why not. I'll buy it that first day, F it. I make enough

[DrJones]

Did anyone read the source article? It said that the ps4 neo will not be using the Jaguar CPU but Zen Lite instead, if so that's great news as the processor will be more powerful than thought.

[mike32UK]

I really hope Sony doesn't skimp on aesthetics for the Neo because the PS3 slim and superslim were ugly as hell in comparison to the OG PS3. My PS4 is a centrepiece of my media setup, I'm definitely going to be getting the Neo if/when it releases so I hope I dont have to hide it behind my setup in shame haha

[ILostMyMind]

The housing of the PS4 is already a slim model. I think its appearance will not change.

[mike32UK]

I'd be totally cool with that! The PS4 fits nicely into my media space. However, I do feel that Sony will make some aesthetic changes in order to differentiate the two models

[ShaunCameron]

LOL. The PS3 Slim was the best looking model of the 3.

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[DillyDilly]

Weak fucking excuse Sony just say you wanna scam more money out of the customers & be honest about something for once

[Kaneki-Ken]

I think you are paranoid and selling at 200$ that just non sense since it's not a slim which would be understandable but is an upgrade. Plus PlayStation wouldn't be that stupid to split their fanbase by making exclusive game for the upgrade version only. Fun Fact: You are not forced to buy it so please stop saying is scam since you got no evidence to prove your statement.

[DillyDilly]

Like I said give it a year & I would not be surprised if Neo got an exclusive game or 2 so that it can "show its true potential" or some stupid bullshit like that. There is certainly no guarantee that it wont happen somewhere down the lines

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Random- buddy your statements are Beyond slow , you're saying it's going to have exclusives so which publisher is going to release exclusives for the upgraded option neglecting a 40-plus million install base? So they're going to spend more money on development for Less install base? Amazing what business school did you graduate from?

You know what guarantee will have that it likely won't happen? Most consumers will not have the upgraded option that's probably the best guarantee you could have consider do you see many big titles releasing exclusively to the new Titan cards?

Did you hear of a developer saying they're going to make a GTX 1080 exclusive? So why are you saying this about a consoles upgrade when that doesn't even happen on PC? Lol

There actually is no benefit to splitting the market by a publisher because it makes no sense there's no benefit from splitting the market even buy Sony because there's still a publisher that still makes games to make money having the higher install base is to sell a specific number of games not actually to sell the hardware. Software makes more money than Hardware.

it would be easy for you to try to prove your stupid point if you actually used great examples to back them but you keep just saying "wait and see" or "no guarantee" so you're just guessing? You have no real definitive example to prove your point?

How is it so many users have examples to prove their points against you, yet you have no real definitive examples to prove your own Point? Other than a stupid guess that's extremely uneducated based on other markets..

Answer these questions

who is it benefiting to have an exclusive game on Neo and why haven't we seen this done on gpus if you believe it's something that's such a possibility?

[joeorc]

So Sony is going to do it, when this is still just a "Rumor" again there is many acting like this is a fact now..for all we know this so called Neo PS4.5 is a Hometheatre version of the Playstation 4.

[rlow1]

It's because jaded fanboys think Sony can do no wrong, so this gives them an out. Logic flys out the door because it's easier to think Sony is being forced into it. So they will take an opinion of someone that has no clue themselves (not an insider) and hold onto it for dear life. That's fanboy logic for you.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Though it's still a rumor at this point I believe it's enough to say that it is indeed true.

[rainslacker]

Could also mean that the newer system will just naturally work better without any effort on the devs part, not unlike people who upgrade to PC can see steadier frame rates or less pop in. In which case, baseline spec will still likely be the PS4 itself, because that's the only way to get it to work no matter what, with or without Neo exclusives

I guess having Neo features would be acceptable to some degree, but this rumor makes it sound like a business decision to be able to keep competitive, and the end result is just a byproduct of the cheapest alternative for them....which will be even cheaper going forward.

MS wasn't in a much different situation with NVidia on the OGXbox, although the pricing dispute wasn't due to changes in NVidia's company manufacturing processes. But end result is MS would have to pay more for chips which they were trying to reduce the cost on, thus taking them in the opposite direction they wanted to go. No real difference here.

Ultimately, implementation would matter on if it's good or bad for the consumer, and it'd probably be divisive either way they go. If they don't allow devs to make improved versions, people will be pissed about it. If they require a Neo version, people are going to be pissed about it. It's a no win situation really.

I just hope it doesn't set a standard where console makers feel that mid-gen upgrades are perfectly acceptable because everyone is buying into them.

However, given this rumor, assuming it's true, it also means that the original PS4 isn't likely to be sustained for sale on the market for the long term...probably until sourced supplies run out.

Anyhow, it's all conjecture and assumption, with a healthy dose of console war rhetoric thrown in to appease the simple folk.

On a side note, it does help explain why Sony is keeping quiet. They may not have finalized their plans yet, or they don't want to give any indication of what they're doing to their competitor. Since MS is going to be in the same position Sony is right now, MS will have to make a decision as well, and if MS knew for sure Sony was going ahead with it, they would be compelled to as well, or risk having even more competition to face. Depending on when all this started to come to fruition with AMD and the realization that a decision had to be made, it may be why Spencer first posed the question on how people felt about an upgraded console.

This is really the most intriguing rumor to come out of this whole mess to be honest. Probably because it was backed up with actual research and not, "Because my pet bunny rabbit told me so".

[TKCMuzzer]

I don't understand all the moaning.
1: Sony have not announced anything or any details, yet you assume the worst and berate them for it.
2: They are not scamming more money out of customers because you don't have to buy it and anyone who doesn't own a PS4 will not lose out, in fact they may gain as the PS4 will probably sell for cheaper.
3: Your telling them to be honest yet you are slagging them off based on a rumour. They may well announce the Neo but I imagine they will also be honest about what it does and how it fits in with their ecosystem.
4: Like most things in life it will be an individual's decision to buy it or not if they already own a PS4.
5: Scam means to be dishonest about something, I repeat Sony have not announced anything meaning it is impossible to have lied to anyone.

People want to cry? That's fine but at least wait until Sony announce something before doing so.

[BLow]

Thank you sir. That's why now days people can get on my nerves sometimes. People are making opinion and assumptions off rumours. Even this article is not been proven to be factual yet here we go again.

The real problem here is the fanboys. All this time, their energy has been going on about how the PS4 is the most powerful and is better than the X1.....blah blah blah. Now somehow not having the most powerful hardware (if the Neo is real), is or will cause a mental breakdown and they will now have to fight against people with NEOs. If it exists of course.

If MS does the same then the Internet will have a shutdown because now the fanboys will have to come up with a new strategy. Because most likely the X1.5 will be more powerful than the PS4 OG. So basically they are going to still be fighting with X1 OGs, X1.5, and PS4 NEOs ( Even though all those people are still supporting Sony and are diehard fans).

It's going to get real ugly and I might just quit reading comments all together . It really bad now but if all this is true then it will get much worse......

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Exactly! gamers today just blow things outta proportion these days without even understanding it first. So annoying!

[lipton101]

Waaaa. Waaa. Then do t buy it then chief

[rainslacker]

Sony hasn't confirmed anything, and while this particular rumor makes more sense out of all the whole thing than the others, it sounds more like a byproduct of a business decision which either way they decided would have long term effects on their ability to compete, than them trying to screw over the customer.

Assuming this is true, and why not since people take all the other rumors as true as evidenced by your post...although no doubt Sony will still be blamed for something....it at least gives a reason to why Sony would do a mid-gen upgrade....which was the one thing that never made sense to me at all.

Actual implementation on compliance standards will be where it will screw over the customer or nor, but doubtless, if it's announced, people will say Sony screwed up, although MS is pretty much in the same position with AMD if the article, or the original source is correct.

It's also not an excuse, it's a reason, and I can say this rumor is at least backed up with more research than, "My brothers college room mate's tortoise overheard a dev at a convention I didn't attend" or some mythical spec sheet no dev, or any member of the community, has seen.

That being said, this particular rumor doesn't really alleviate the concerns some people have, myself included, when it comes to the implementation, but a lot of that implementation can be restricted if Sony or MS deem it necessary...which in itself means the hardware won't get taken advantage of to it's fullest, but .....well there are many scenarios, not worth getting into them all again.

[Razzer]

It is a tough spot if this is true. Avoiding higher costs to support obsolete hardware is bit of a no-brainer. And it would be silly to just push out this better hardware and tell devs they can't take advantage of it. Thus....neo mode. Sony is going to have to work overtime to get their message right on this. The average consumer is going to be confused.

[joeorc]

@Razzer1h ago(Edited 48m ago)
[It is a tough spot if this is true. Avoiding higher costs to support obsolete hardware is bit of a no-brainer. And it would be silly to just push out this better hardware and tell devs they can't take advantage of it. Thus....neo mode. Sony is going to have to work overtime to get their message right on this. The average consumer is going to be confused]

But here is the thing, if Sony releases this So called PS4.5 Neo..what if its being released for the Hometheatre market.

Think about it.
Sony's released the PSX in Asia & Japan in 2003 three years after the PS2 it was made for Hometheatre market it was a PS2 with video recording functions built right in had massive hard drive space at the time. But again did not advocate the developers to make Exclusives for it also.

Think about it. Many of the leaked so called documents those media guys that said they read them and saw it mentioned that VR was not even mentioned in those documents! They were not even sure it would support VR. But yet you heard Rumors that talked about Neo was because the current PS4 was not strong enough for VR and its msinly being made because of VR?

Can the media make up their minds? On the focus of these Rumors for what the purpose of the PS4.5 is?

Here is my points and I have pointed these out before. Unlike Nintendo or Microsoft only Sony has sold their playstation living room systems and marketing them for the Hometheatre market also.

Made a point to also still sell in the game console market at the same time.

Here is another few points.
Hometheatre market is Heavy promoting 4K resolution..so releasing a redesign PS4 built for the Hometheatre market with the way the PS4 has been selling in the game console market would make more sense to do so.

No exclusive to take advantage of the new hardware, no separate Network advantages, but higher resolution to 4K. Which is not really about gaming, but Video mainly.

And a Hometheatre Version of the PS4 would not divide the install base..it worked before with the PSX why now would that now not work the same way with the PS4?

[Razzer]

Can't say you are wrong on any point. Just would like Sony to clarify what the deal is with this thing. Or we going to have to speculate until the fall?

[rainslacker]

I think it's a tough spot because Sony, and likely MS if this is true, are going to be in a position to tell devs they can't fully utilize this tech, and compliance will have to maintain the original hardware of the generation. Anything else, and it puts them in a tough spot with the consumers where no matter what they do, they're likely to be heavily criticized, attacked, and berated. We already see that now with the rumors themselves, so actual implementation could cause all sorts of problems in perception. Most people aren't going to care about the reasons all this happens, they're just going to see that Sony has a new system. Looking at it historically, many people didn't care that MS would have had to pay NVidia more to keep the OGXbox on the market...heck most people don't even know that's why the 360 was pushed out a year early....and not just to beat Sony to the market....and it's still a criticism that they get sometimes, and it was very pervasive at the start of last gen.

I understand the reasonings given with this rumor, and it's just a bad position to be in for the console makers, because I can't fathom any way where they can keep everyone happy, or at least a sizable majority. Every implementation has it's pros and cons, and if people are happy with it really depends on what someone expects or wants.

Ultimately, the console makers will want to keep the consumers happy, which means Neo implementation is probably not going to be anywhere near what the rumored specs can handle. Forcing devs to enable a Neo mode doesn't make sense if this rumor is true, as Sony's impetus isn't to push new hardware, but to make it as cheap as possible. Allowing Neo mode(not mandating it) makes sense, so long as it has 100% compliance with the original hardware, which lessens what could be achieved on the better hardware, and puts more resources onto the development side of things.

It also lessens the concern I had about Sony dropping legacy support quickly, because it would take a while to filter out all the legacy consoles on the market, which will likely be at 50 million by the end of the year, because again, Sony's intentions wouldn't likely be to push new hardware specs. With this rumor, assuming it's true, it just means a beefed up revision, which can show some improvements, but nothing that requires Sony to mandate the new hardware's support, and a strong reason for them to keep legacy support for a longer term due to their current install base which they won't want to piss off.

However, we will and can only speculate until Sony says something. Hopefully when they do it's with enough information to keep the opinion articles at bay. If this rumor is true, they should be very upfront about it, otherwise too many media sites will take the opportunity to criticize them for it. At least if they're transparent on the reasons, they can be mitigated. I expect if this particular part of the whole Neo rumor stream is true, MS will also be showing new hardware unless they just decided to bite the bullet and pay some money to refab their current chip...which wouldn't be smart if Sony does indeed intend to offer a hardware upgrade. Ugh...so many different scenarios to try and have a discussion on.

[ARESWARLORD]

I just got a new PS4 about a month ago and I already have an Xbox one so I don't see myself getting this right away. but I may sell my PS4 and got the Neo if the graphic difference is well worth it . Hopefully if they're going to go through all the trouble they make it quite a bit more powerful

[Orionsangel]

I already have a PS4 and it took me almost a year to save up to get one with my tight budget. Now you're releasing a superior version that improves the games and has extra perks? Way to slap us in the face, Sony. Sure, I'll buy the PS4 again. No, I won't! The worst part is no matter what Sony tells us, they're gonna start concentrating more on the Neo system. While neglecting the original PS4 as a way to entice us into buying the Neo. I've been following the gaming industry since 1977 and I think the only time I've seen a system so early in it's life cycle do a thing like this was the 3DS XL. I mean I could sell my PS4 to buy a Neo but by the time I do prices will be down because most people will be doing the same thing. Be nice if they offered a trade in program or something.

[Razzer]

The rumor is that Neo games will have some graphical improvements. That is it. No "extra perks".

And no, Sony did not "tell us" they are going to concentrate more on Neo. Sony hasn't said the first word about any of this. They haven't even acknowledge that Neo is a thing.

[Next_gen_2015]

"The rumor is that Neo games will have some graphical improvements. That is it. No extra perks."

Did you just read what you said? Better graphics/framerate are the extra perks...perks which IMPROVE gameplay.

[Razzer]

@Next_gen_2015

Did you read to the post I was responding to?

"Superior version that improves the games and has extra perks"

There are not going to be any "extra perks" which implies special content or features. Improved gameplay....obviously.

[Orionsangel]

They're not gonna tell us. Your first mistake is believing what corporations tell us.

[TKCMuzzer]

Thats pure conjecture. To say Sony would neglect a fan base of over 40 million just like that assumes they have no business sense.
If it is true and it's only slight performance gains games will benefit from then there will be few overall issues. I imagine Sony will have it locked down that games must run on the PS4 and devs will not be allowed to release exclusive content for the NEO. Plus you then assume publishers would also only release exclusive content for the NEO excluding a potential 40 million sale base.
Sony are on a roll with the PS4 I can't imagine they will throw that away will some ill timed business manoeuvre (they have seen what happens to their competitors when that happens). I think everyone is over worrying, we need to let Sony have their say before assuming.

[rainslacker]

Did you read the article? Sony, and potentially, MS are rumored to have had a difficult decision to make. They had several choices(extrapolated from the article)

1. Keep the current 28nm chips which would end up costing more money due to less production facilities.
2. Refab their current design to take advantage of the new fabrication process for the chips themselves, which would cost a lot of money up front.
3. Go with a new chip, which costs less up front, and has more potential to reduce in costs over time.

According to the rumor, they went with option 3, because it makes more sense. The byproduct is that it makes the new consoles more powerful. I doubt it's a situation any console maker wants to be in, because it goes against their original plans fairly quickly in a products life cycle.

In any case, it's not worth getting pissed off or upset about until you know what the implementation will be. Even then, before getting pissed off, come to understand what any new implementation will be. For all we know, it won't have any effect on current game development because the console makers will restrict what a dev can do with the new hardware. I understand having concerns over a new console paradigm...I have them myself, but this new rumor changes a lot of things and absolutely makes it something that final implementation will have to be known before criticism or purchasing decisions can be made.

[dcbronco]

This rumor makes zero sense. The chip on the PS3 was different. The 360 different. The One and PS4 different. Why would the shrink to 14nm suddenly force a whole new console when it was already a special line? Plus moving to Zen and Polaris wouldn't be slight improvements, they would be massive improvements.

If anything this would be a voluntary move based on potential savings through bulk purchase. Remember AMD has referred to design wins, not we forced them into this. It would make sense as a bulk purchase, not as a need forced on Microsoft and Sony. AMD has Vega coming out in January, does that mean new consoles next year too? Nonsense.

[Aenea]

You might want to read the actual VRWorld article: http://vrworld.com/2016/05/...

Because of this article to me the whole Neo thing makes sense. Before I never could fathom why they would do this, costs makes sense...

[dcbronco]

I read the VR article and still disagree. Here's why. If Sony moves to Polaris/Zen they will again be doing another chip. That totally new chip will cost them twice what the shrink redesign would. The other option would be an off the shelf APU. That's never going to happen. The point of semi-custom is getting a chip made specifically for your needs. Plus Microsoft could come back next year and get a chip based on Zen/Vega. Or Zen+. Then it would be playstation with inferior equipment.

Here's the reason I believe for the change. One is the advances on CPU and GPU architectures. These consoles were outdated and underpowered at launch. Two, the efficiency of the new architectures. Polaris has a version with almost twice the power but with a third of the power demands. That means a cooler system with a cheaper cooling system and a smaller power supply. Meaning a smaller package and all of that adds up to additional savings.

The idea of trying to avoid paying $125 million when you already need to build a new console in the next two years because of VR and current lack of power makes no sense. Though I believe Neo is a mistake if it is only twice the power. They need to wait at least another year and go with a machine based on Zen + and the architecture for GPU in 2018 with third generation HBM.

The next consoles should be the last traditional consoles. A slightly better Neo puts Microsoft back in the driver seat. Microsoft can wait till 2018 with far superior equipment and depend on the cloud and further DX12 improvements.

[rainslacker]

From my understanding, and even reading both articles some of it was unclear, it would appear that AMD itself is switching over to new fabrication processes(possibly across the board), which would require a refab of the current chip to be able to get it to work on the 14nm technology.

It wasn't clear in the article if AMD was doing away(or replacing) all their current fabrication process plants, which could theoretically make smaller chips, however, the new fabrication plants will be using a different process for their 14nm chips which isn't directly compatible with the old processes. This is why keeping the same chip would cost money to fabricate at 14nm, because AMD doesn't have any(or now has fewer) 14nm fabrication plants for the older process, thus driving up the cost to produce the old stuff....or making it impossible if they have no 14nm fabrication for the old process.

Anyhow, this was the best I could glean from the articles themselves. There's some stuff I'm unsure of so can't say for sure.

However, there is also the potential this was a voluntary move to save money through bulk purchases as well, so won't discount what you say there.

Either way, it seems the byproduct of it all is that a newer more powerful PS4 would get made. Also either way, seems to be more business related rather than Sony having an interest in offering a mid-gen upgrade....although I'll concede that may be a consideration for them as well. We'll probably never know for sure, as it's unlikely to ever get discussed by people at Sony. Sadly, that means it'll be console war tripe for God knows how long.

Implementation would be the only thing that would make or break the idea for me....and every scenario I can come up with has pros and cons, and even those are subjective to one's own outlook on what they want or expect.

However, I also think this means it's not likely slated for this year, which does kind of suck because I was kind of hoping for a new PS4 which was UHD compatible....which is the only reason I'd really consider one for the immediate future.

Have to say though, this is the most intriguing rumor of all this Neo talk. Hopefully one that gets explored more because I find this stuff fascinating. Hopefully those exploring it are better adept at research than those reporting the other Neo rumors.

[Angerfist]

I don't like the Idea at all. Just think of online games and one could play at 60fps while the other would be stuck at 30. And these instances will occur if the systems powers are that big of a difference. Otherwise why should people get the new system? Sony is creating a problem here

[eferreira]

Wouldn't make a difference. I've listened to developers who are supposedly working on the neo and there won't be a difference with online matches. Google it you'll see

[NatureOfLogic_]

Then Neo becomes a rip off for selling people false hopes of better performance. The whole ideal is just stupid and Sony has lost my support.

[rainslacker]

Funny...I've seen hundreds of devs on Dev.net who haven't heard jack squat about the Neo outside the rumors. If you don't know, Dev.net is an actual private dev forum hosted by Sony where this information is made available and devs come for dev related topics....such as if there is new hardware they have to consider.

I'm sure anonymous devs on google are more worthy of attention though.

[Apocalypze]

PC gamers in a Console article?

[NatureOfLogic_]

So PC gamers can't own or comment on consoles?

[rlow1]

I like what joeorc said, It's very unlikely it's AMD. Sony has a lot of experience reducing the cost of a chipset, its more likely that VR is the reason for the jump. I'm sure they also wanted to have something for 4k bluerays as well, considering they sell 4k tvs.

[joeorc]

rlow113m ago
[I like what joeorc said, It's very unlikely it's AMD. Sony has a lot of experience reducing the cost of a chipset, its more likely that VR is the reason for the jump. I'm sure they also wanted to have something for 4k bluerays as well, considering they sell 4k tvs]

Thanks, and also a Hometheatre version of the PS4 would cover all of those wants or needs , without alienated game console users.

Due to the fact , those that would want that 4K movie experience with better resolution upscaled to be more conducive to a 4K viewing experience could do so.

It would be offering for the console market the standard PS4 and in the Hometheatre market the Higher end of the market.

If someone wanted a better PS4..than a Hometheatre Playstation 4.5 would cover that as an option.

Same Idea Sony had with the PSX.

[rlow1]

I agree, Sony does do more than just games.

[Aenea]

It is AMD's fault, sorta. Said it before while replying to joeorc, the real reason the Neo is coming (if it's true), is because Sony can save a lot of money using better chips instead of investing into having AMD make a smaller sized version of the old tech.

Really makes sense, before this VRWorld article it really didn't make sense at all to me why Sony would do this...

[rlow1]

I'm not saying your absolutely wrong and could be the reason. But from what I've seen in the past, Sony has just spun off the chip to a cheaper supplier. They did that with the cell chip and no reason they can't do it now and save even more money. I really believe that with new tech coming in form of disc, VR, and with possible more powerful hardware from the competition they decided to upgrade. But considering that we are all just speculating, any one of the reasons including this article could be true and possibly a combination of all of them.

[rainslacker]

Sony didn't really spin off it's production of the CELL. They sold off the plants which fabricated them. However, Sony was the maker of the chip. In this case, AMD is the maker of the Jaguar APU's, so Sony wouldn't be at liberty to just go get it made somewhere else. AMD makes it's money off the design, and eventually the production of the chip itself, and it would be harmful to them to just allow Sony to take their design and use it wherever they want, even though Sony has exclusive rights to whatever was designed. This is the same problem that MS ran into with the NVidia price disputes on the OGXbox, they couldn't just go make the chip somewhere else.

Anyhow, reducing the costs of a chip set is just a natural part of chip manufacturing. Over time, it becomes more efficient, or new processes are made which allow for more yield, which reduces costs.

In this case, the problem is is that it would cost more to go to a smaller chip design(which was Sony's intent since the beginning), because AMD themselves, the makers of the chip, are retooling their production facilities to not use the same processes that are currently use. If any facilities will remain in tact for the old process, it means less yield due to economies of scale and a bunch of other market metrics not worth getting into.

Sony had the choice of spending a lot of money to refab their current design for the new process, or just go the cheaper route of a more powerful chip. The former would cost them a lot of money, thus negating the cost reduction factors, particularly for the long term as it would just become more expensive to produce the chips (same problem they're going to have with the CELL as plants retool what they make). The latter was cheaper, and as a byproduct, it allows them to have a more powerful chip which will continuously reduce in price since the fabrication process is likely to be around for a while.

[rlow1]

I agree its a AMD chip, but these guys are always retooling. Retooling never fully stops and they have some fabs on older processes and some going to the new thing. As well as the PS4 has been selling, it still doesn't make total sense. Whatever the case, Sony is doing what makes sense for them and a supplier wouldn't risk putting a strain on the relationship to force them into something that they don't want. More likely Sony saw some kind of opportunity and AMD was able to provide it. Right now AMD isn't doing bad, but neither are they doing awesome as a company. They can't afford to loose Sony, so no I don't think they pressured or forced them into anything.

The other point is Sony isn't discontinueing the ps4. If they keep selling the same ol ps4 when they launch the new system, then that means they are still making the same ol' chipset for it. Which means they still are using the same fab to pump them out. I could see your point if AMD were only making the new chipset and forced Sony to adopt it for both systems. But at least for now that does not seem to be the case. Two system, two different chipsets. Which means two different fabs.

[opinionated]

That's obvious. The base ps4 will be affordable to the cheapest gamer. They phasing out the PS3.

[Aenea]

It's not exactly an analysis that had to be made, if you read the original VRWorld article you see that author already did the same thing.

Besides, after I tipped a Dutch PlayStation site they wrote an article about it 9 days ago (3 days before it even appeared on Reddit):
http://www.psx-sense.nl/233...

Original VRWorld article: http://vrworld.com/2016/05/...

[esmittystud101]

I just want B.C. for PS4k

[STK026]

If that's the main reason behind the Neo, one would assume Microsoft is in a similar situation as both are being supplied bu AMD.

[jmc8888]

Well we need to know concrete numbers. We have some ballpark figures which are like an i3 and a GTX 960. Which is definitely better. It'll definitely help PSVR. If it comes with a UHD blu-ray player it would be a worthy upgrade. It could run some games at 4k.

Really interested in what advances the CPU got besides just a relatively small clock boost (if the rumors are true).

If AMD did this to Sony, it would indicate also that this ISN'T going to be iterative. As the reason for AMD putting pressure on Sony was because of the double node process shrink. These don't happen all the time. Additionally there aren't a ton of them left. We're reaching the limit of silicon and we'll see if carbon nanotubes or the other contenders can take us below the atom level. Because remember folks 14nm is basically 14 atoms across.

Additionally AMD isn't always going to be 'streamlining' their product line. There will be times (as in the past) that products are made on multiple nodes. The problem with 28nm is... it's freaking old.

So because it's so old, they need to move the entire production lineup to the new node. This will help refresh their entire product cycle.

What would be interesting if this is true, it would also hint at a possible Xbox 1.5. Though at the same time they could leave that performance on the table, or take the choice given to Sony to have a separate line just to crank out the old chips for the Xbox One. That's interesting. Because I don't see how Sony or Microsoft would somehow be in a different situation as to AMD.

[gamingisnotacrime]

Its very simple, developers wont develo for the ps4 neo advantages. Games will keep being ps4/xone standard and the new hardware will go tremendously under used. Just like it happened with the NEW 3ds upgrade

[2pacalypsenow]

So make a new console so Sony can make less money from??

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Per usual with comments in Neo articles, I think someone should call a waaambulance. Save the cry for once it's actually announced.

[kenwonobi]

Stop being dumb. PS4 Neo doesn't effect you if you don't want it. You just get upgraded looking games.

[SavingPvt_Highon]

Rumors, thats all Neo still is, a frigin rumor. Lets wait and actually hear from Sony instead of speculating.

[ILostMyMind]

"While some gamers feel that Sony upgrading hardware this early in a console cycle is a slight to original PS4 owners, others see the revision as an optional performance boost for those that truly want it."

One of these statements is a fact, the other is just an opinion.

[PurpHerbison]

I swear my PS4 is just a Netflix/Hulu/HBO Go machine these days.

[Fin_The_Human]

PS4 Neo > PS4 vanilla.

Just saying that the Almighty PC master race need to watch out.

[Crazywhitie]

This is just like when they'd come out with Slim Models.. Just this time they are biffing up some hardware... I don't mine it.. I get the new one once mine dies

[chaosx]

reason = money

[iliimaster]

i dont understand where the people who already purchased the system and now a few short years later be screwed over by the Real PS4 not ps3 2.0 and be happy about the situation? blows my mind,,,, hopefully the sheep wake up and vote with their wallets and don't make it to where consoles are going to be coming out like call of duty if it keeps going the way it is.....

[NextGenCeo]

I never gone pay every 2-3 years 400$! No way. This is not a PC or Gaming Tablet! This is Game Console that's all. I never gone buy it again if it's happened! I paying and I'm enjoying because every 5 or 6 years it's enough for console gaming. I don't like the pay for play a good games ever 2 years 300-400$ if i want that way than i join the PC family and every 2 years I upgraded my PC and i play with more detail and more resolution right? And i can even use torrent games right?

What they thinking I don't know but I really angry for Sony now! (Sorry for english. I'm Esl guy)

[Lord_of_Cinder]

If this is true, then it makes sense. I just need Sony to explain this matter.

If this NEO rumor turns out to be true, then the best way that Sony can support it is with a trade in program where you trade in your current PS4 and they give you the PS4 NEO for 199.

[Bogan]

So AMD entered into a contract with Sony to produce some of it's components.

Wouldn't AMD be in breach of their contract obligations?

Sony like any other manufacturer love decreased production costs and throw a price cut in at E3 would just make it and other consoles in Contracts with AMD sell even more.

[Captain_TomAN94]

Exactly what i have been saying to the cry babies. All past consoles had overly complicated designs that made the consoles keep abnormally high prices in their later years. Now with the streamlined x86/GCN design we can finally have reasonable price reductions and hardware upgrades that cost LESS for Sony to make.

[dcbronco]

These are sham articles or they've been fooled by misinformation. Saving 125-200 million isn't a good enough reason to launch a new system. Going from 28nm to 14nm will save $20 per chip on its own. If Sony sells 10 million PS4s in the first year that shrink saves them 200 million. Add the additional savings of everything else from a shrink and it's more then double that. And Sony will sell more PS4s than that. That's basic console cost reduction so that makes this reasoning wrong.

Add that AMD has both major fabrication companies working for them, plus maybe Samsung if necessary. Semi-custom chips are a major part of AMDs business. It would be a complete joke if one of the more profitable parts of the company was cut back. They can handle more than three chips.

Sony should just admit, Microsoft too, that this generation should have put parts ahead of immediate profit. That mistake is costing Microsoft sales and Sony has to launch a new machine already because they are pushing VR. Ultimately nothing saved by either.

[dcbronco]

Moving to 14nm from 28nm should save at least $20 per chip. Even selling only 10 million consoles would generate 200 million in savings. Then you add all of the other savings like cooling and packaging and power supply.

This is the authors bad judgment or a disinformation campaign to kill people's anger over the early upgrade. Both Microsoft and Sony chose early profits over power. AMD has a whole section for semi-custom chips. It's one of the easiest things they profit on. They can handle more than three chips.

[bluebenjamin]

I was hoping this would happen every since the reveal of Ps4 and XOne at E3, seeing how minimal of an upgrade they were from ps3 and 360. I Mean tbe graphics are not much better than what we had on 360 and ps3 hell GTA V which is a last gen title only ran a whooping 30 FPS! on the ps4 and x1 8th gen consoles.LOL this is the first playstation i didnt buy but maybe I'll change my mind and forgive them since Neo is coming,are just maybe not since Ive already crossed over to the darkside PC master race!!!!!

[MagicBeanz]

Can we please stop posting "Rumor" articles about Sony because all they end up doing is changing from rumors to perceived facts in the comment section.

[Brohan]

I don't see consoles lasting if they are only 2-3 years. It's not the reason why the majority of people buy them.

[babadivad]

This doesn't make a lick of sense. AMD doesn't even own their own fabs.