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The Witcher 3 PC benchmarks with Hairworks shows why downgrade was inevitable.

The Witcher 3 benchmarked with Nvidia and AMD GPU's shows why the downgrade from the original version was probably justified.
The results have been taken with and without the Nvidia Hairworks option.

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affrogamer3285d ago

Most PCs with the Geforce 980 can't even keep a steady framerate with Nvidia's hairwork addition and you got these PC elitists here crying and blaming consoles for the downgrade. No the downgrade is cuz CDPR realized that even with great optimization, most high end PCs couldn't even handle the quality of the 2013 trailer, plain and simple!

methegreatone3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

1) So why not ditch hairworks, and not downgrade everything else ? A 980gtx performs incredibly well without hairworks on. Hairworks is taking away b/w 10 to 20 fps !

2)Not sure if you know this, but the patch actually upped the graphics quality on PC. Better detail, draw distance etc etc. In other words - they already upgraded it, so performance is going to be slightly worse. A website comparing the two said that the difference was like an extra graphics setting.

3) CDPR are not stupid mate, they've made 2 PC games earlier. You really think what they were targetting on PC was soooo beyond current hardware ? It's funny, I remember them teasing all those detailed graphics for TW2 in pre alpha. It actually came out with better graphics. The downgrade on TW3 was mostly because of consoles, and that's only common sense.

4)"most high end PCs couldn't even handle the quality of the 2013 trailer"
Same story with TW2. Did that ruin the game or something ? No. Instead, because of that, people enjoy it to this day and it still looks good. Options. If the PC version has options for these things, then who cares if no one can run it maxed ? They'll do that a few years down the line.

Anyway. Play the game without hairworks and the game still looks great anyway. Not bashing the game here, only arguing against what you said :P

MWH3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

"Options. If the PC version has options for these things, then who cares if no one can run it maxed ? They'll do that a few years down the line."

^this.
thank you.

nveenio3284d ago

I've been playing just fine with Hairworks on and everything at max, and I'm playing on a 770.

comebackkid98913284d ago

I'd comment but the sensitive snowflake master race will target my bubbles ;)

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darkslayer2083285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

stop your nonsense if Xbone And Ps4 can run the game 900p and 1080p with their mid range gpu (1.2 teraflops and 1.84 teraflops respectively ) and with their weak 1.6ghz Amd cpu.
for pc this should not have been a problem to run game with earlier settings nowadays a mid range Gpu has atleast 2.5 teraflop of compute power and cpus are way powerfull than the console to match.And GTX 780 is more than enough to run the game with 2013's settings with Hairworks.
so basically this not nothing but console parity stunts pulled by CDPR..

uth113285d ago

Its because PC games aren't nearly as well optimized as they are on consoles. Developers like John Carmack have said that PS4 and XB1 would typically perform as well as a PC double their spec due to optimization

Dynasty20213285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

No.

The downgrade happened because the consoles couldn't cope with the PC version, so they had to make ONE version (that would run on consoles) as they didn't have the time or resources or personelle to make more than one version of the game.

So...it's 100% because of consoles that the game was downgraded.

And I'm sorry, but PC elitists are being very, VERY quickly overtaken by console elitists.

"All PC gamers care about is graphics."

Oh, hypocrite much? Have you seen the Uncharted 4 comment section of any article related to Uncharted 4? Wake up.

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comebackkid98913284d ago

If consoles vanished tomorrow all of your games would become f2p.

starchild3285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

The thing is, the more and more I play and see of the game the more I realize there hasn't been much of a downgrade. Certainly not a game-wide downgrade. Some things have even been upgraded. Most of the changes that have been made are not anything that can be called a technical downgrade. Most of them are just stylistic or artistic changes. Then you have time of day and weather differences between certain screenshots, and that really seems to throw off a lot of people.

Here are some comparisons showing what I'm talking about. Top shots in each comparison are from older trailers/demos and the bottom shots are from the final game.

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methegreatone3285d ago

Oh, yes, definitely. The game probably looks better in many ways !

The downgrade is definitely not as big as some have been claiming . I remember back in the 35 minute demo, which I think could have been from a build that looked just as good as VGX, people kept saying downgrade for that. The comparisons they made were laughable. Completely different locations, time of day, angle, everything.
Comparing close ups to sweeping shots and comparing texture quality ? lol.

It's definitely there though, as can be seen in the grass, the removal of reflections altogether from swamp water water and puddles. Blood decals are hardly there anymore, and as much as devs say that's a bug, I can bet it's because they toned it down for performance. No blood on water either - that's removed too, because of the changes to water, all for performance.
Building tesselation was also removed, and lots of other things you can notice.

FastRedPonyCar3284d ago

It's the overly colorful look of the retail build that annoys me. I'm sure I can use something like sweet fx or whatever to tone down the color saturation but overall, some stuff looks better and some stuff looks a bit worse.

Time of day differences in the comparison pictures make it a little harder for some to accurately compare.

kraenk123285d ago

Actually CDP RED already stated that they simply couldn't work on two different versions due to budget and small team size. Prepare for the inevitable enhanced edition on PC :P

zidane13413285d ago (Edited 3285d ago )

Yeah cuz that wouldn't piss off people that already bought it. Not to mention they already UPDATED the pcs graphics. So your funny.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3285d ago

I feel like people like you don't understand how computers work, so just in case there are more than 1 of you I'll point this out.

With pcs, you can CHANGE the parts within them. If a graphic preset is too much to handle right now, it probably won't be with the next set of graphics cards.
I.e. I remember ubersampling KILLING framerate on pcs when witcher 2 came out. Now? It's a joke.

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Perjoss3285d ago

I dunno man, played it for a while last night and it looked jaw dropping with everything fully maxed @ 1600p.

Lev19033285d ago

People have to complain about everything. Specially some pc gamers who thinks that they are the master race.

ninsigma3285d ago

Getting bored of this master race crap. It's just become entitlement!

MWH3285d ago

it's people thinking and talking like you forces this sentiment. yes there are idiots in both camps but this is not about mastery it's about options and credibility. can you get that?

Lev19033285d ago

No No, me talking about master race doesnt force anything. You know what forces the sentiment? people calling other people peasents because they prefer a console above a pc.

You see how pc gamers react because some pixels were different then 3 years ago and then go on harrasing the developers and the console users because somehow they got the bad side of the deal.

There are idiots on both camps. But the most loud idiots are coming from the deluded Master Race. Console users dont harras developers for some pixels and options;)

methegreatone3285d ago

Yeah, whatever said and done, if you have a good rig, this game should look great.

darksky3285d ago

The benchmarks show that even a top pc with a gtx 970 can't get past 45fps on ultra without Hairworks turned on. In effect a near top end pc is barely faster than a ps4 in this game, unless you have SLI/Crossfire cards.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI3285d ago

Well that simply isn't true at all. I have everything on ultra and hairworks off(let's face it hairworks doesn't even look great) and I'm getting a solid 60fps at 1080p.

ninjahunter3285d ago

There's definitely a technical issue somewhere the performance gap between high and ultra settings is insane, yet both settings look almost identical.

I can play this game on a 750TI on high and 90% of the time it will look identical to a 970 that is getting the same framerate on ultra settings. The sick joke is, a 970 is 2.5x more powerful than a 750ti.

T9003285d ago

There is no difference between high textures and ultra textures. However if you load Ultra Textures then more textures are loaded on to your GPU.

This results in less pop ins, however if your GPU has less VRAM then it will start stuttering. So for people below 3GB of VRAM its recommended to keep high settings, this wont lower the graphics it just may cause popins. If you GPU has the VRAM then by all means keep ultra.

xTheMercenary_3285d ago

That recommended vram stuff is a load of crap. I've got a gtx 780 everything on ultra except for shadows and gameworks turned off and getting 40-60 averaging roughly low 50's and the vram has never gone over 2gb.

KrystofKage13285d ago

I was well above the minimum requirements, but it was stuttering and struggled to stay above 30fps. Played around with the settings, even used the nvidia experience settings, no luck.

Picked up the ps4 version, I think I'll wait next time instead of preordering PC games.

MoeStedley3284d ago

You have zero friends.

(its a South Park quote calm down kids)

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RPGs are often huge, sprawling endeavours. With limited playtime, we have to choose wisely, so here's the best western RPGs available today.

SimpleSlave40d ago

"I started playing games yesterday" the List... Meh!

How about a few RPGs that deserve some love instead?
1 - Alpha Protocol - Now on GOG
2 - else Heart.Break()
3 - Shadowrun Trilogy
4 - Wasteland 2
5 - UnderRail
6 - Tyranny
7 - Torment: Tides of Numenera

And for a bonus game that flew under the radar:
8 - Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden

DustMan40d ago

Loved Alpha Protocol in all it's glorious jank. Great game.

SimpleSlave40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Not only glorious jank, but the idea that the story can completely change depending on what you do, or say, or side with, makes it one of the most forward thinking games ever. The amount of story permutation is the equivalent of a Hitman level but in Story Form. And it wasn't just that the story changed, no, it was that you met completely new characters, or missed them, depending on your choices. Made Mass Effect feel static in comparison.

Alpha Protocol was absolutely glorious, indeed. And it was, and still is, more Next Gen than most anything out there these days. In this regard at least.

Pity.

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thorstein64d ago

.... from the 2000s (mostly).

shinoff218364d ago

I can't fk with this list. They missed on alot of games probably before the writers times. Also I know people loved some portal but I was never a fan.

Cacabunga64d ago

Tomb Raider 1
Driver 1
Abe’s Odyssey
FF6
King of Fighters 94
Mortal Kombat OG
LINK 2 the past
Street Fighter 2
Resident Evil 1

Inverno64d ago

Infinite but not the first two games? Witcher 3 but not the first two games?? GTA V but not literally any of the games before it??? Portal 2 but not the first? Also if you're going to play Shadow of The Colossus play the remaster and not the remake. Can't say I disagree with the list but my man it's all over the place.

Name Last Name64d ago

I mean some sequels are objectively better and you don’t need to play the whole series.

Inverno64d ago

But most of these games have a story to follow, sure you can catch up with a YouTube vid but where's the fun in that?

LucasRuinedChildhood64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

A list like this isn't telling you not to play the previous games if you want to. It's just giving you legendary games to play.

But tbh, you don't always have to force yourself to play every entry in a franchise to get to the better ones.

- The vast majority of Witcher 3 players never played the first 2 and had a great time. The first 2 games aren't in the same league.
- The GTA games are self-contained with the odd fun reference. You can easily jump into any of them.
- The Shadow Of The Colossus remake looks and controls better than the original (plus it has a 60fps option while the remaster is just 30fps). New players will enjoy it more.
- Portal 2 is a lot better than Portal 1 and takes the concept much further gameplay-wise. Storywise, Portal 1 is fairly light too. Not that you shouldn't play it but realistically ... you'd love Portal 2 whether you play it or not (at lot of Portal 2 players have never played 1).

Bioshock 1 is the only one I agree with you on simply because it's one the best games of all time and arguably better than Infinite. No other setting like Rapture.

Looking at the list, I'd recommend playing Uncharted 1 before 2 but no doubt, 2 is the legendary one you have to play.

Inverno64d ago

I get it, but that's just my opinion on his opinion. I just think that before you play a sequel you should still play what came before it. Maybe it's just me but i find it fascinating playing through the first game in a series and seeing how it has evolved through its sequels. Like I said I don't disagree with the list, other than SoTC which I strongly believe the remaster of the original should be played above the remake.

AuraAbjure64d ago

Awesome list! Hot take on Fear (and it's hard af expansion Persaus Mandate!) Bioshock Infinite is stellar, so is the Witcher 3 and you nailed it by having Ocarina of Time. So many fantastic games! Gotta play 'em all! Next one on my list is Prey after I beat Dead Space 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction.

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