Wired Preview: Too Human in 10 hours

Wired: But for that sort of player who enjoys playing through a game once to see the story and get the experience, Too Human will end long before its time and with not nearly enough payoff for all the story exposition. And it's an uneven 10 hours at best: Sometimes I had a great time mowing down enemies and racking up combos, but sometimes the gameplay just felt frustrating and/or repetitive.

[DarthTigra]

10 hours for a rpg???

[Dark_Vendetta]

stop telling it was 9 years in developement. I don't know how often it was cancelled and they had to start from the beginning.
Still I have to agree. I'm REALLY disappointed. I know it's a triologie but come on 10 hours is nothing!
Now only very good scores could change my opinion (to buy this one ...)

[LastDance]

Im not very familiar with this genre...the use of RPG seems to get used in many contexts.....

Is this game similar style to say...Oblivion? (obviously not in aesthetics or theme design but in core gameplay mechanics - Finding lots of weapons, selling them, having a maximum weight for weapon bags, and talking to people in an open end world?)

[Winter47th]

So much for a decade in the making.

[hack6464]

Against.

[CrazzyMan]

but that game had a good replaybility with random dungeons and new quests. =)

If Too Human is only one story mode, then it`s not very good..

[The Lazy One]

"next to no replay value"

Where did you hear that? It's got good replay value. Each level is supposed to scale by your level in loot dropped and difficulty every time you replay them. You can play co-op, and each class plays completely differently.

Replay will be fine.

[aftrdark21]

Sounds like a rental...

[season007]

but i guess the story plot from 9 years ago stayed...or else it won't even be called Too human

10hours of gameplay i don't expect a really long and good story either...

[plenty a tool]

the other week, there was a thread saying that game would take 15hours to complete playing co-op with all the cut-scenes not on because they are off for the co-op??!!

anyway, if true 10hrs is short for an rpg, but i'll still be getting on day one.

[gaffyh]

10 hours is ridiculous, I thought Mass Effect was short and I did pretty much all of the side missions... 10 hours doesn't even seem worth playing (and for others that play on Live I doubt this will have any sort of online play, maybe some sort of ranking system)

[Hoggy1983]

The author states that you can hammer through the game in 10 hours "if so inclined". Is this not the same "inclination" that leads to MGS4 being beaten in 3-5 hours? (this is not an attempt to bash MGS4 by the way!) Furthermore, although the author gave a fairly balanced opinion, if he's got the full game, why is it not a review rather than a preview? If its because its not the final code why would the studio hand it out?

[jaysquared]

Sweet! So its twice as long as MGS4 if you go through it without the cut scene.. 3 times as long as Heavenly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Uncharted which were games that were 3-4 hours long! And all of this on one DVD? Did we really need blu ray Sony? Or were you just using that as an excuse to win the Next Gen DVD wars?

[lessthanmarcus]

What's that? like 3 MGS4 cutscenes? Doesn't really matter though. It's going to be a mediocre non-exlusive

[TheForgotten0ne]

Don't be stupid!

None of the games you mentioned are RPG's. RPG's are supposed to be long. The story and long dungeons and so on.

So as I said, don't be stupid!

[Palodios]

Maybe we're playing a different game, but my first playthrough of Metal Gear Solid took 25 hours. a Big Boss runthrough takes about 5, but the majority of people playing won't be able to do that the first time through.

[Silver360]

of Rpg's, action and dungeon crawlers. Silicon Knights said it was a genre of it's own. When did Dennis Dyack ever say it was and RPG? The game that it was compared most with is Diablo.

[Acidicpack]

10 hours or not I still think that this game will be a blast to play co op with 3 friends. Which is is the only reason that I am going to buy it in the first place.

Also this is just a review by one person as with all other games I will make my own conclusion about this game. Like all others I have bought or rented. Its still a day one buy for me just knowing it will have 4 player co op

PEACE....

[jaysquared]

"None of the games you mentioned are RPG's. RPG's are supposed to be long. The story and long dungeons and so on."

And games are supposed to be played not watched! Hmm.. wonder what game has 5 hours of gameplay and 15 hours of cut scenes?

[daous]

You DO realize that every Metal Gear Solid game can be beat in less than 5 hours IF YOU'VE MASTERED the entire game and all the enemy movement patterns, as well as played through the game several times to determine where the shortcuts are? Typical gamers take at least 12 hours to complete a Metal Gear Solid game in their first playthrough (it took me 15 hours for MGS1 and 17 hours for MGS2. I haven't played MGS3 nor MGS4 yet). Same thing can be said about the whole Resident Evil series (where some people have beaten the game in less than 2 hours in some iterations).

Also, the whole "short gameplay vs. long cutscenes" has been synonymous with the ENTIRE Metal Gear Solid series. So stop trying to make it seem like MGS4 is the only one in that series. Kojima intentionally made long cut scenes in order to flesh out the story for all his games, especially in part 4 in order to close any loose ends and plotholes. He KNOWS. ANY gamer who has paid attention to any Metal Gear Solid related news for the past games know about this. This is not new, and arguing this for MGS4 shows how uninformed and ignorant you are of previous games in the series.

And btw, MGS4 is definitely not 15 hours cut scenes and 5 hours gameplay. That's fanboy talk and completely false.

Regarding the actual game for this article, Too Human has been in development for an INCREDIBLY long time, originally planned for the PS1, then moved to the Gamecube, then the Xbox, and finally the Xbox360. That's definitely over 10 years buddy, considering they ANNOUNCED THE GAME BACK IN 1998! By the time they went to the original Xbox, they definitely should've had the story completed, the character designs completed, the enemies completed, the settings/maps completed, etc. The only thing they would've had to do is enhance the visuals and maybe revise the game's story script to lengthen the game more.

10 hours = fail, because Too Human is planned to be a trilogy, and 10 hours per game is a RIP-OFF to anyone who purchases it at full price. Who the heck would pay for three 10-hour games at $59.99 CDN EACH when they can play a single 30 hour game at $59.99 CDN to finish that story? Especially a game over 10 years in develop. The same thing happened to Xenosaga Episode II (which was also ten hours long and an RPG), and sales plummeted for part III.

Even if Too Human's gameplay turns out to be extremely good, 10 hours of gameplay doesn't justify for a game which was planned as a trilogy 3 years ago (back in 2005). Even Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (which is also a planned trilogy) had me clocking in 24 hours on my first playthrough (with a player's guide too to speed things up!).

I was originally interested in this game during its development on Gamecube, but after so many inexcusable delays, I'm skeptical it'll turn out as ambitiously great as the Silicon Knights originally wanted it to be. Hopefully this doesn't follow the way of the Xenosaga series, but I'm not exactly optimistic anymore.

[Daxx]

You people are so quick to judge games. It's almost humorous how quick you all react to something that you consider negative.

Life is too short for this type of worry and angst for something that in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter. 10 hours is fine. It's a hack n slash with rpg elements.

/thread

[jaysquared]

"10 hours = fail, because Too Human is planned to be a trilogy, and 10 hours per game is a RIP-OFF to anyone who purchases it at full price. Who the heck would pay for three 10-hour games at $59.99 CDN EACH when they can play a single 30 hour game at $59.99 CDN to finish that story? Especially a game over 10 years in develop. "

You know whats a bigger rip off a 3-5 hour game like Lair, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm.. The PS3 itself is a rip off if you bought when it first came out.. Not even a year later you could've gotten $200 cheaper.. Now thats a rip off!

[Condoleezza Rice]

I'm afraid this is what most of us anticipated would happen,people will either love it;Or hate it.

Kinda like when Haze released.

[Acidicpack]

I remember a game called FABLE that was short in play time but was a blast to play. It to was a RPG. don't judge game TILL YOU HAVE PLAYED IT !!

PEACE.....

[Rims]

EPIC FAIL

[Megaton]

Yeah... by RPG standards that's inexcusable.

[dachiefsman]

yea thats short but you supposed to be able to go back and play through for even better gear right?

[Mozilla89]

I dont know about the rest of you but once I beat an RPG I dont stick around for long. Whats the point of beating a game and going through it and getting all the cool stuff after beating it. All it does is make it easier to do what you already did.

Basically I'm not playing an RPG with lets say Weapon A and then replay it just so I can beat it with Weapon B. But then again thats just me.

[Transporter47]

well see the thing about this rpg types, which are like Baldurs gate and like diablo, are that even though you beat the game, you can come back on a harder difficulty with new gear and the game will still be fun, but this game i doubt it has that sorta of stuff implemented

[Mozilla89]

I guess it would still be fun, but I havent played RPG's like the ones you mentioned. I've really only played console RPG's like Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, and FF. The main draw to me for an RPG is the epic story so once I finish the story I prefer to move on,to something else.
So for me 60 bucks for a game I'll oly be playing for 13-15 hours isn't really worth it. I'd rather just rent it beat it and give it back.

[Palodios]

Well, games like Baldurs Gate and Oblivion... they both can take anywhere as much as 100-200+ hours per playthrough. That's what makes them much replayable.

[ChampIDC]

Diablo 2 wasn't all that long but people loved it. Why is that? Because there's more leveling to do after you finish it and more loot to grind for. That's going to be the longevity of this game, and it's why he says it's not for everyone.

[Deadman64]

Wow this game will get zero sales. Good thing I was not purchasing it.

[ISA_Scum]

All I know about this game is this opening: http://www.gametrailers.com...

And man does that suck!

[ikiru3385]

aw man. i was looking to this game. oh well. but they did say that it will be part of a trilogy.

[rucky]

That's not good. I would imagine since they're planning to make it a trilogy that you could use your old save file to load your character's level and equipments onto the next one. Otherwise that would be plain retarded

[mintaro]

Thankfully you can, they said you would be able to transfer your character into any part of the trilogy

[incogneato]

I feel bad for anyone that buys the whole trilogy. That's like $200 for 30 hours of gaming with no replay value.

[ikiru3385]

yeah, kind of like what they're doing in Mass Effect 2, right? Sounds like this game is a rental, but if I am mightily impressed I will purchase it.

[kazuma]

doomed

[Xi]

but it requires about 4 playthroughs to get all armor purmitations and to reach level 50.

Like diablo there will be a lot of replaying the same thing over and over.

[fenderputty]

though, there's no 4 player co-op. The game just keeps getting more and more gimped as we learn about it.

Against ...

[Relcom]

Thats very disappointing, i thought at least it would be a alright Diablo clone. Too bad

[Menchi]

And this is supposed to be an RPG?
RPG-Lite, I guess...

[crck]

is ridiculously short. Thats usually how long it takes to get accustomed to the game. Plus a cliff hanger for an ending? Thats just bad, bad, bad. For example I just finished Mass Effect and logged 45 hours...

[devilhunterx]

next Fable 2. 15 hours long.

[Figboy]

the first Fable wasn't exactly epic in length (i think i beat it in about 10 or more hours), but i'm looking forward to it anyway.

as for Too Human, i like Silicon Knights, and while i was at E3 two years ago, when they showed the very buggy, nearly unplayable version of the game (i was going to play it myself, but after seeing so many gamers struggling to play through the horrible framerate, i passed), i still had high hopes in the game.

the only thing that really concerns me is the combat system doesn't sound very fun. i've never been a fan of using the right stick for combat. it's very rarely, if ever, executed properly. i'll wait until i have an actual hands on with it, however.

as for game length, if the story is good, and the gameplay fun, i can accept a short game length, as i'll probably replay the game a few times anyway. i beat Uncharted in about 15 hours, and have since played through it SIX more times. it took me 22hours and 45 minutes to get through MGS4, and i beat it AGAIN (taking 21 hours), and am currently in the middle of my third playthrough. i beat Heavenly Sword in about 9 hours, and played through it an additional 4 times to unlock everything, each of those playthroughs taking about 5-6 hours.

the point i'm trying to make is that, story or not, if the gameplay is good, i'll replay it and get my money's worth out of it. there are many parts in Metal Gear Solid 4 that i'd gladly play over and over and over again, because they are simply THAT amazing (which is why i have saves before each of those parts; which is many).

i say hold off on judging Too Human too harshly for it's length until you've played the game.

with that said, i do agree that for an RPG, that game length is despicable, especially when i've sunk over 25 hours into Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core, an Action/RPG on the PSP of all gaming platforms, and i'm STILL barely halfway through the game.

don't let other people's opinions sway you, even mine, and at the least give Too Human a rent to see what it's all about. that's probably what i'll do, if i don't outright break down and buy it anyway.

[devilhunterx]

Good answer mate.

[Superfragilistic]

@Figboy

Well put mate. Bubbles.

It seems to me that this game is much more an action title than the RPG I first thought. Which isn't a bad thing, it's just different to what I was expecting.

If they sell me on the combat, which seems like DMC meets Fight Night, then I'll be playing it multiple times over largely based on the scaled difficulty and enemies, co-op, finding hidden loot, levelling my character up, and playing through all those differently playing classes.

The story had me sold with it's Matrix meets Norse Mythology vibe, but unless there are wildly different endings (like Eternal Darkness) then it won't sustain multiple playthroughs.

It is reminding me more and more of Diablo, which played great but lasted about 10hrs in lenghth, the more I look at it. I'm not concerned about the story so much, I just hope to hell it plays well - which none of us will know until we try it! :)

@devilhunterX

Fable only lasted 10hours but I enjoyed it enough to play through it a second time. If Fable 2, delivers on the wildly varied narratives promised then 15hours is fine. If the gameplay, coop and player choice significantly change player created narratives (outside of the main developer story), then that extends the life of a title immeasurably and in such a case I'd be sold! :)

[mintaro]

While dissapointing game-length, im sill pretty excited

[HiddenLynx]

the game looks good imo.

[Pornlord]

10 hour RPG is probably the silliest thing I've heard of in a while. You can't even tell a proper story in that time. I'm used to 40 - 100 hours for my RPG's. But that also begs the question of why?

Why create an RPG and not make it as epic as you can? Is the the space constraints on the DVD. If so, why not make it multi disk? This makes no sense.

[Boldy]

Fable was not that long and was still one of the most innovative RPG's of last generation.

[Qbanboi]

Is this a RPG?? 10 Hours?? God what's next?

[bigcheda]

Wow, they better get this game out ASAP before the Diablo3 hype train rolls in and destroys it.

[zapass]

it's not even the same league, diablo3 completely destroys it: great day for the 360, BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

Blizzard wizzards!

[Darkiewonder]

or an action game with RPG element?

Never really heard of an RPG that is 10 hours long. story that short? wow.

[The Lazy One]

With a leveling, class, and gear system.

People should be comparing it to God of War, NG2, and Heavenly Sword. Don't compare it to Oblivion or any of the FFs, because they aren't even similar.

edit: I'm not saying it's not short, I'm just saying not to compare it to those games.

[hack6464]

Its an action game with rpg elements. 10 is still short though.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Because it is not an RPG. 10 hours is plenty. When you add in the leveling/looting and Multiplayer/CoOp the game is going to have plenty of play time.

[HateBoy]

Ng2 is waaaaay longer than 10 hours. There, I compared it, what shall we compare next, combat? ROFL. I was kinda psyched for this game, but no more! Seems I'll be renting it.

[daous]

Staring with Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando (part II in the series on the PS2), they added RPG elements to the action/platformer/shooter game. Even that game, which had a ONE YEAR development period, was over 25 hours first playthrough.

There's no excuse for a game 10 years in development and only 10 hours long! I can accept at least 18 hours gameplay (even though I would have misgivings of it being 10 years in development vs. games which are 18 hours but only 1-2.5 years in development).

[The Lazy One]

A game in development for 10 years should be longer...

lucky for SK they weren't developing this for 10 years.

They made 2 games between 1998 and now on top of Too human.

[Angelitos]

Poor Xbots

This game?

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[The END]

at least it is twice as long as MGS4!! hahaha

anyway, hoping for more from this title

gameplay wise, not talking about the 95% MG movie

[juuken]

Lmao, The END...MGS4 is much longer than this piece of garbage. It's longer AND has more replay value. If it's true that the game is ten hours...then that's a major floppidy flop there.

[why do droids cry]

juukey for the 1st time i agree wid you. 9 years in development for what 10 hours. pointless, should of released 05-06 IMO

[juuken]

You should actually change your name to that because your words reek of desperation hon.

[incogneato]

We all knew from the videos this game would suck. Some were in denial though but who can blame them?

[kewlkat007]

we hear the same thing. This is an Action-RPG, I'm not sure how it was played, was it a sped through? is there exploration? Different modes...well who knows.

I'm still getting it, I've played games this gen that are less then 10 of ACTUAL GAMEPLAY and still enjoyed the game. It also depends on difficulty and skill of players playing it.

For the record, this is not your "TRADITIONAL" RPG and this game ws not being developed for 10 "STRAIGHT" years.

This fall in the same boat as Folklore, an Action Adventure game with RPG elements, as far as Weapon Upgrades and Combos.

Hopefully it's a good story and those that are pissed are those who actually have Xbox 360's and was thinking about getting the game. If not, well you know.

Now how did Wired get the game before other dedicated game Mags and Sites?

[Baka-akaB]

Come on , this is silly if true and you know it . Those current gen that were that short were shooter or action games . We are talking about a rpg here ...

Diablo 2 isnt 10 hours long , nor are most hack slash games . Replay are a major factor of those games , however they are still thick healthy meal in one play . How long do you think such a game would last when fully used to the gameplay and its mechanics and replaying it over and over ? 5 hours ?

I know i'm biased agaisnt the game , but if true this no excuse for that game , with such a long developpement , to not include a bigger campaign .
Come on , was one hour of content developpement each year ?

[crck]

Its a dungeon crawler like Diablo or the X-men/Marvel games from Raven Soft. Still these games usually go well into the 20-30 hr range. 10 hours is ridiculously short any way you try to slice it.

[kewlkat007]

What about an Action-Adventure?

Do you think everyone beats a game at the same time intervals? Because one reviewer beat a game at 10hrs and automatically the game is labeled 10hrs long?

What if someone beat it at 13-15 or 15-20?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...I do not know the game and about the quest, given maxing out your character, side quest, difficulties or anything like that.

-I beat Eternal Sonata in 24 Hrs and thats a traditional JRPG.

-I put 135Hrs into Lost Odyssey.

-Folklore took about 10-15 hours and I wasn't a fanatic about MAXING out.

I think this is where this game will fall. then Again it is 2-player Co-Op which should make it faster to beat. I think, some people are thinking Traditional RPG here and it's not.

[daous]

Eternal Sonata is technically not considered a TRADITIONAL JRPG, since it's more action-RPG oriented (similar to Star Ocean III and Radiata Stories, which were also done by the creators of Eternal Sonata). It's a relatively recent trend in RPGs (and I believe Kingdom Hearts was among the first BIG games that influenced this RPG sub-genre).

Lost Odyssey IS a traditional JRPG, since it uses a turn-based battle system. Sakaguchi's previous Mistwalker game, Blue Dragon, as well as pretty much EVERY GAME he made back at Squaresoft, were traditional, turn-based JRPGs (e.g. Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy I-X, etc.). So it makes perfect sense if you clocked in that many hours =)

Folklore is definitely not traditional JRPG. It's kind of cutting the line between RPG and action-adventure, but I guess the whole "gotta catch 'em all" gameplay can be considered a staple in RPGs since Pokemon.

[Skerj]

Dude this better have hella replay value or something or I will be ever so pissed.

[Mwaan]

Knowing this before hand will soften the blow. Most action games are about that length, so I wouldn't feel cheated. I'd rather have a short game than a long one with a lot of boring segments.

[The Wood]

i enjoyed that game as it was kinda a splice between an rpg and action adventure game too

[Rims]

This game is an ugly piece of poopoo no one should play, not to mention it's a UE3 game with bald space marines.

[ceedubya9]

Did you miss the whole SK/Epic falling out over the Unreal Engine? SK went back and started from scratch and did not use the UE to make the game.

[Daz]

Its funny this came up after mgs4 lol ;p so predictable.

[GarandShooter]

Now that you brought up MGS4 that reminds me, don't we have to deduct the total cutscene length from those 10 hours to get the TRUE length of gameplay?

[Isaac]

They made one hour for each year it has been in development, good job Too Human, I guess they must be the best ten hours of gaming. Oh wait.

[rebirthofcaos]

nothing that a baked 10 hrs long rrod 180 game on dvd XD XD.Everyone prepared for "Too Flop" XD XD

[The END]

told you the RROD comment was coming.... this site is way too predictable.... i win

[Harry190]

that the close-range weapons produce. It feels strange.I hope there is a way to disable it.

Seems like Dyack is going to get into trouble on Neogaf.

[cliffbo]

that's the problem with DVD9s ya know

[AllroundGamer]

i agree partly with you, all the games based on UE3 engine are not long, because the UE3 is known as a big resource eater (the levels takes too much space) and if a game is long it is mostly on more than 1 DVD9s (Lost Odyssey).

Edit: dachiefsman i'm not flaming, can you show me a link showing which engine they use? because i am sure, they developed the game on UE3.

[dachiefsman]

fail

it doesn't use the U3 engine. flame away some where else.

[kewlkat007]

That was based off Unreal Engine...Plus where the hell have you been when SK was having issues with the UT engine and decided to cancel it and use their own? Did you miss that dispute?

Looking at Blu-Ray and the space available how long are PS3 games on average?

Disk space have not much to do with it, it's what the developers puts in and how the space is used.

Yeah technically you could add more data on a BD disk but like I've said the most hours I put into a single player game has been with Lost Odyssey, (obviously a tradition Jrpg)

The PS3 games I've played are not any longer because they used BD or a certain Game Engine compared to DVD9.

[Voozi]

It was originally developed on UE3 but then after the lawsuit they had w/ Epic Games they switched over to there own in house internal engine that they're using

I dont think it has a name though

[Elginer]

that they don't require installs?

[Cuddlefish]

There are XBLA games that use UE3, Roboblitz and Undertow are 2 of them. Undertow is 50mb.

[AllroundGamer]

ok thx for the info, did they show some gameplay footage with the new engine?, because what i remember watching the latest videos, it was definitely still the UE3 engine, the looks were the same as all the UE3 based games...

kewlkat007 - i'm not interested in Too Human so much, so i'm not following all the stories about it, because from the videos it looked mediocre at best.

Cuddlefish - yeah, but that are arcade games with simple textures and small number of low polygon objects etc. so you can't really compare it to normal full games.

[kewlkat007]

"kewlkat007 - i'm not interested in Too Human so much, so i'm not following all the stories about it, because from the videos it looked mediocre at best."

So will this be the last article about Too human you visit?>

I mean you haven't been following it for the last year..

[GiantEnemyCrab]

This has nothing to do with DVD9. I've played 35 hours in Mass Effect and over 25 hours in something like Oblivion which are both on DVD9. Take your stupidity to the Open Zone.

And no this game was not made with the Unreal Engine. They started using it then scraped it and made their own engine.

[Truplaya]

10 hours is short for any game, but an RPG? People moaned that BioShock was too short at about 20 hours!

[rebirthofcaos]

Im wonderind about if msg 4 takes about 5 hours long on a speed run, then too flop is about 30 sec to finish. Im waiting for the bots to say that at least too flop is about 10 hours not like MSG 4 XD XD XD XD negation is at disease at best for the poor bots

[OmarJA]

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[wangdiddy82]

this game is going to bomb in a bad way.. the shouldnt even release it and go bact to the drawing board..

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'm sure no matter what it does you will be right there screaming flop.

Not like you even own the system or planned on buying this game.

[Xi]

mgs4 is only 5 hours long without cutscenes :P

[Baka-akaB]

wich is why its even worse ... mgs is no rpg and yet , cutscenes included it seems longer than too human

[JVIDICAN]

5 hours without cut scenes and knowing were everything is and the fastest route to the acts end
the people going for the big boss emblem usually spend another 8 hours just doing trial and error ;)

[crck]

Because if you watched that video of the guy who was playing, it was ridiculous. He knew the shortest path with the least resistance for every level by heart. He knew where enemies were going to come from and waited for them to appear. He even knew how enemies were going to react to certain noises and just ran right by them. It was pretty amazing. He must of played the game countless times.

[rhood022]

ok, for the last time...MGS4 is not 5 hours without cutscenes.

IT CAN BE BEATEN 5 HOURS by just running from point A to B and only fighting the boss fights and get a special emblem.

Just like you can complete the game in over 30 hours and get a special emblem.

[Daz]

THis is not like a normal rpg thought.

You dont select attack take your turn then the enemy takes theres like lost odyssey,
Longer game would be nice but if its fun to play im not going to mack a fuss about it.

[n00bzRtehgey]

Twice as long as MGS4.

Even still, not a game for me. Hated it since the beginning. It sucks. I'll stick to God of War.

-

edit: why?

[hack6464]

You know you have to own a ps3 to play God of War 3 right? That may be a problem for you.

[TL24]

Your name serves you right... You noob God Of War 3 is coming to the PS3... you xbots are pretty funny.

[liquidsnake]

hahaha he even edited "why?". I'll tell you why you boner, it's cause its developed by a Sony first party studio.

Now suck on it.

[juuken]

Lol, what a n00b.

[Masta_Killa]

MGS4 is around 20 hours, bout 17 without cutscenes. It's not exactly easy to complete the game in 5 hours. Factor in the replay value and its easily 40-60 hours depending on the emblems you try to get.

[n00bzRtehgey]

of course jewkin had to chime-in.

you people are n00bz!!!! not everyone is like you guys and only has one console.

n00bz

[Baka-akaB]

I dont like the game to begin with , so i'll refrain from further bashing , but do we even know if its 10 hours solo or 2 players ?

For the players sake i hope it was a co-op time .

[Rhezin]

so ps3 morons, yah your not helping yourselves either so stfu.

[xxBATTLECATxx]

10 hours is a shooter-lovers RPG

[Covenant]

Maybe they need to start calling it a shooter (with RPG elements) rather than just an RPG. Might help reception of the game...maybe.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

10 hours? wtf?

I remember last year (lol @ that) they were saying that each game in the trilogy would span 20-30 hours

smh... I guess Denis Dyack stuck to his guns when he said "nobody wants to play a 30 hour game anymore"

[LastDance]

i guess we know his motivation behind that comment now.

[dachiefsman]

dyack said 50-80 hours to lvl 50.

Today is another sad day for me. Just like when co-op was kicked to 2 people.

[Whoooop]

I'll say it again. I will wait for release to pass my judgement on this game.

:)

[DJ]

Fable's only in the 10~12 hour range.

[allforcalisto]

tell me you mean fable 1?

[The Lazy One]

The main story in a lot of open world RPGs is really short. Oblivion you could finish really quickly. Especially because the levels were generated off your level.

Fable you could do quickly too, but you had to skip at least 2/3 of the content.

[DJ]

At least, that's what Molyneaux said.

[RememberThe357]

That guy (Molyneaux) seems to think that he knows what people want in his games. Then the game releases and it misses the mark. I like Fable but we all know it it way lower then he said it would.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

if this turns out to really be real... then I've lost all faith in this title... after I backed this game so much because I'm a fan of Silicon Knights... but telling me it's a 30 hour game... then cutting that down to 10 hours.. and still calling it an RPG.. that's just.. ugh that makes me pissed.

[TL24]

10 hours is pretty damn short, i wonder what excuse your xbox 360 fans will come up with now.

As far as Diablo III goes, nothing can beat Diablo III! I will take that game over anything else out there, just thinkin about it brings back good memories =D.

I love my PS3 but i'm buying a PC just for Diablo III

[Drekken]

I had no intentions of upgrading my PC. PS3 has been taking care of all my needs... but D3 has me saving for a PC now!!! I CANT FREAKIN WAIT!

[allforcalisto]

SIGH. this gen is really iffy

the game's i thought i'd really hate this gen like mass effect i've really enjoyed and have actually managed to feel like an epic rpg (especially the last couple of hours!)

certain games i thought i'd really like (assassin's creed) i've only found alright and far from grounbreaking.

GTA iv. a game i'd been really anticipating turned out to be horrible, and hardly worth playing now.

i've yet to play a game this gen that i thought would be AMAZINg and then was AMAZINg. closest has been bioshock, i thought it'd be above average, and was wowed. Mgs4 was AWESOME till the last two acts.

but this game, this stupid ar$e concept game had fail written on it since forever. The character designs are ugly as hell, the gameplay looks crippled in a way i can't really describe, and it has lousy lazy western dev work written all over it.

signs game would be lame:
haze - cheesy trailers, lack of that wow factor (check mirror's edge trailer for wow)
Lair - when they confirmed you cant fight off dragon + repetitive gameplay clips
Too human - the p*ss poor attempt at imitating jpnese slash-em-ups, and horrible artistry + lack of anything compelling story wise in the cut scenes

all these games suck from miles off

[The Lazy One]

It's more similar to diablo than anything japanese.

... and did you play the game already? because I don't know how you can judge all the cutscenes in the game off of the one released teaser.

[Frost-Wraith]

wasnt the game in development for 10years?? oh well...i guess i took them 1whole year to code 1hour of the game :)

[BaMYouRDeaD]

What is this world coming too? Now with all this casual garbage flooding the market, 10 hours is LONG and "not for everyone"? In my opinion if you're paying $60 for a game it should be 10 hours at LEAST! And for an RPG? Come on, this is ridiculous. Let the industry take a few lessons from The Elder Scrolls, Half Life, and Metal Gear Solid so they can learn what a game should meet in terms of standards for story, length and overall value. There is no reason a game should be this short after 10 YEARS of development, no matter the genre.

[-Maverick-]

LOL Here come's the next Haze.

[n00bzRtehgey]

Wow! I agree with you, hairyassholeeatsmenintubs.

[-Maverick-]

haha you stoner scum

[-Maverick-]

BTW Xbox 360 is a fuking failure.

:''(

I'll b1tch slap your fried brain for saying Metal Gear Solid 4 in terms of this failure.

BTW MGS4 is the highest rated exclusive on either PS3 or 360 and also one of the greatest games ever conceived : )

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

PS3 is still in 3rd and you have one AAA game after a year and a half and it hasn't broken any sales records, now thats a f++king failure.

[n00bzRtehgey]

ouch

[Homicide]

10 years in the making folks.

[t-0_ot-]

Oh well, I wasn't looking forward to how long the campaign on this game is. I'm just wanting a Diablo like game that I can play threw with buddies and slash the hell outta the baddies. =O
And, plus, with just 10 hours, which is probably just the main story, I will be able to play through the game a few times with different styles of play.

Sucks the main story aint longer, but oh well. I'll have Diablo 3 for that. But, I mean hell.. Diablo is king. =) Can't for Diablo 3.

[truncheon]

that's 2 hours of gameplay per year. 2 HUMIN AM MAED OV WIN111

[wangdiddy82]

Believe me it will take you a very long time to beat the game.. Not because of the cut scenes but because you will want to adventure through the game to find everything.. Im on act 4 with about 20 hours in the game on my first play through.

You need to ask the guy who beat the game in 5 hours how many times he played it.. I can bet you he beat the game like 3 or more times before he did it in 5 hours.. and i can bet you it took him awhile to do that.. ALot of trail and error.. You can tell by his video. He looks like he worked on the game with kojima.. The thing about MGS4 is there so many ways to play and beat the game. So much replay value in the single player campaigne its ridiculous.. I never wanted to beat a game so bad and replay it right away..

[Bombomb]

and we seen that guy did it in 5hrs, which is the only true way to beat a spy game.

so yeah the games was 5hrs long of actual gameplay, beating the way its suppose to be played.

[Drekken]

They give you the options to play it any way you want. If you want to play run and gun you can. They also give you rewards for it... sooooooooooo your point is moot.

[jkhan]

I played the game normally, like i didn't rushed through it nor did I played it too slow, but still it took me around 21 hours & those who are saying it can be done in 5 hours, well somebody finished Halo 3 in 77 min.

[Bigbangbing]

WOW

i was thinking "after cancel it 9 years this game maybe 50 or 100 Hours long"

but 10 Hours !!!

to everyone: if you waiting for this game don't wait go buy Mass Effect

[Covenant]

Ouch. This may have just gone from "must-buy" to "rental" for me.

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Maybe not!!!

we have waited ten years for this HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, a 10 hour long RPG? I mean is that actually some kind of joke? How dare they foist this piece of crap upon us gamers!!!!!!!

Of course I hear its a planned trilogy so they made a 30 hour RPG (reasonable) and split it into 3 in order to rip off gamers and of course made it xbox exclusive cus they know that 360 tards dont mind being ripped off HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!!!!

please nobody buy this so they cant afford to make the 2 sequels!

[mesh1]

wait wait i thought ppl were comparing it to dmc4.ng2.god of war ooohh i see now its a =n rpg to sony droids eye hahaha we all knwo they main story is 10-15hrs gwtting to lvl 50 and getting all the powers lvled p wil take you atleast 50hopurs not to mwntion the co-op .

[Homicide]

LMAO! So the bots don't care about this game anymore ;D

[Obama]

A poor man's diablo 2. Actually putting the title along with the mighty diablo 2 is an insult to blizzard and dialo. This will be the next haze no doubt.

[InMyOpinion]

I wonder if they mean it in the same sense as "MGS4 is 5 hours long" or as in "MGS4 is 15-20 hours long"? I mean for me MGS4 would probably be 25 hours long. I'm a nook-&-cranny-gamer.

If it's only 10 hours without speed-running it's too short. The controls look kinda "floaty" in the movies I've seen. Not really sure about this one. I predict it will be a strong 7/10.

[ceedubya9]

It seemed like he was saying that If you wanted to, you can get through the game in a little over 10 hours. His exact words were "slam through." I take that as meaning going through the game just to finish it and nothing else.

There are plenty of games out there that could go on much longer depending on how you play it. And the game seems to have some replay value if you want to max out to level 50 with scaling enemies and alternate versions of dungeons.

I agree with you though, I think the game will probably get a 7/10 average. Too bad about the 4 player co-op.

[OmarJA]

and another flop let's add it to the list ...

Hour of Victory
Bullet Witch
Vampire Rain
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Two Worlds
Kingdom Under Fire
Overlord
Ninja Gaiden 2
Too Human

... ( Sigh )

[thereapersson]

Everything else is pretty dead-on accurate, however.

[SL1M DADDY]

I am expecting something as good as Diablo 2 and will probably get something like Sacred... Good, but not epic. It's a rental at best for me.

[RememberThe357]

I was thinking the same thing. I want this game to be really good, but from what I've seen, I'm not too impressed. Will all the time they've had I don't see things changing. I'm hoping that it turns out to be fun to play and not so much to watch, because thats all we've been able to do. We'll see what happen, but I'm not going to count this game out, yet.

[FwanK]

Trash! even MGS4 has 20+ hours

[MetalProxy]

Sure glad I wasnt excited about this game..ROFL!! Oh man there isnt much to look forward to now..Gears 2..Meh.time to sell the box.

[DICK]

god off war was like 10 hours and look how it turn out

[Massive-Delusion]

God Of War wasn't an RPG....

[GiantEnemyCrab]

and neither is Too Human! Stop calling it an RPG because it is not. It may have RPG elements but it's more action oriented.

[RememberThe357]

But aren't they calling it an RPG? Is it supposed to be an action game with RPG element? If that is true than his comparison is valid.

[Says you]

Or had hyped at all for that matter!.

[juuken]

...*dies laughing*
My...my stomach...*falls off chair*

What the hell?! This is supposed to be an rpg/action game and it's only ten hours?!

[The END]

5 hours of GAMEPLAY for MGS4.... mmmmmm

[juuken]

Sorry, but no. Oh, you must be referring to that video where the person beat MGS4 in five hours? Sorry but you failz. Joo failz badly! That person actually did a speedrun of the game. If you take your time, like I'm doing...the game is longer than ten hours.

[Not the Face]

same ol crap that makes you look like your trying to be a sony fan boy just to make friends? i am serious, your comments just sound desperate. and no i am not an xbox or nintendo fanatic, i just cant stand reading comments by sad losers like yourself without putting in my judgment. the fact that you have so many bubbles just goes to sho that this site is full of morons, i have never seen you post a meaningful comment yet.

oh and about too human, 10hrs isnt great but there is coop. you can replay the stages with you original character and continue to level and collect new items. also there are different versions of all the levels if any of you read. plus you can bring all your gear into part 2, not so bad really is it? sounds just like mass effect. all i know is silicon knights have made good games in the past. this looks solid and pretty darn stylish/unique. dont buy it if all you want to do is beat it in 10 hours... dont post here more than once if you dont plan on buying it.

[juuken]

"same ol crap that makes you look like your trying to be a sony fan boy just to make friends? i am serious, your comments just sound desperate. and no i am not an xbox or nintendo fanatic, i just cant stand reading comments by sad losers like yourself without putting in my judgment. the fact that you have so many bubbles just goes to sho that this site is full of morons, i have never seen you post a meaningful comment yet."

I'm trying to be a Sony fanboy to make friends? Um...I'm a girl but thanks once again for being one of the many idiots on this site who asuume that I'm a male. I actually do own a PS3, and will soon own a 360 because the games that I want are on the god-forsaken thing. I just hope it doesn't break on me because I'm getting one with the Falcon Chip. I also can't stand reading comments from people who judge others immediately without cause or reason. If you're trying to pick a fight with me, then you're messing with the wrong person. Time and time again I *have* made meaningful comments. I support Sony, so I don't see what's wrong with that. I defend the PS3 and especially Sony because good things are finally happening for each and every owner who owns a PS3. And I don't give a rat's ass who insults me because in the end it doesn't matter.

Thanks for judging me, but no.

"oh and about too human, 10hrs isnt great but there is coop. you can replay the stages with you original character and continue to level and collect new items. also there are different versions of all the levels if any of you read. plus you can bring all your gear into part 2, not so bad really is it? sounds just like mass effect. all i know is silicon knights have made good games in the past. this looks solid and pretty darn stylish/unique. dont buy it if all you want to do is beat it in 10 hours... dont post here more than once if you dont plan on buying it."

Ten hours is still pretty short for a game that's been in development for a while. And while you may be right about the game having some kind of a replay value, I still don't think it'll be worth the money. I wasn't planning on buying this for the 360 anyway. I only want a few rpg's and Ninja Gaiden 2 because I got hooked with Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I have a right to an opinion.

If you don't like it, tough nuts.

[t-0_ot-]

I don't know what is wrong with, you certainly have something wrong with you. I don't know if it's cause your a "girl" and you think your "special" or what, but seriously.. you need to stop.

This is what I am talking about:

Here you are talking about someone beating MGS4 in only FIVE(5) hours.
"That person actually did a speedrun of the game. If you take your time, like I'm doing...the game is longer than ten hours."

Now.. did you read the article, at all? This was in the third paragraph.
"If you're so inclined, you can slam through Too Human's campaign in a little more than 10 hours"
So, in other words.. he did a "speedrun" as you put it, and still took him about 10 hours. Making it longer than the speedrun of MGs4 by about 5 hours. And, hence he said "campaign," not the whole game, just imagine all the side quests that he missed.

So if he took his time like you are doing with MGS4.. I wonder how long Too Human would be then? What do you think?

[t-0_ot-]

And, you need to calm down when someone calls you a fanBOY. It's a name for something, not a label for your gender.. And, it's the internet.. how the hell are people supposed to know if your a "girl" or not?

Yes, Too Human has been in development for 10 years, but that does not mean they were continuously working on the game throughout those 10 years. It was a side project. Silicon Knights have released other games and such throughout those 10 years.

"If you're trying to pick a fight with me, then you're messing with the wrong person." Ahahaaa. Is that a threat... over the internet? Wow. Nice going Juuken. You just keep trying to prove that your a "girl" eh?

"I also can't stand reading comments from people who judge others immediately without cause or reason." I don't believe that he was immediately judging you without cause or reason. It's a blatant fact that your are a Sony Fanboy.. er, excuse me Fangirl.. -.- from reading the comments that you post. If you don't want someone calling you a Sony fanboy/girl then stop posting your anti-MicroSoft comments. It really is that simple.

[DontH8DPlayaH8DConsl]

in 5 hors you cant even use health items! Truth is without a guide or several playthroughs it cant be done! So beating it in 5 hours is a great accomplishment not a knock on the game. You can beat any game(except "real rpg's") quickly on the right setting, with cheats, or walkthroughs!

[Deadman64]

lmao i think juuken just got pretty f'ing owned

[meepmoopmeep]

Due to the lack of standard HDD, risk of overheat by long periods of play and a last generation optical disc format found exclusively on the Xbox 360, Silicon Knight had to cut corners and shorten the game to 10hrs of gameplay, which most likely includes the cutscenes as well.

Had Silicon Knights developed Too Human exclusively for the PLAYSTATION®3 their vision for the extremely interesting concept would have been fulfilled because they would then have 50GB of Blu-ray disc space and a standard HDD to work with, which is only found on the PLAYSTATION®3.

Developers need to realize the developing constraints that the Xbox 360 imposes on them and that their true visions for their games will never be achieved if developed for such poor outdated hardware found exclusively on the Xbox 360.

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[The END]

for the sony fanboys to show up on a 360 exclusive title....mmmm so sad!!

get ready for the RROD comments......so sad... get a life!

[meepmoopmeep]

read my bio.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Your bio is a lie

[RememberThe357]

Isn't Gears 2 suppose to be even longer than that?

[meepmoopmeep]

10hrs is fine by me as long as the characters are cool and the story rocks. that's what's more important to me, like Uncharted for instance. love the game no matter how short/long it is.

but it's true, for an RPG that's very short, but isn't Mass Effect not much longer as well?

[dragunrising]

But you would have to rush through it...not something I'd recommend. I took my time and racked up 40 hours. If you want to get special achievements, you are looking at multiple plays averaging 40 hours at least for a 100% play through. Definitely not as short as Too Human. However, Too Human is an action rpg and shouldn't be compared to a story driven game such as Mass Effect.

[ceedubya9]

Unless we are playing a more traditional RPG, we shouldn't expect our games to be really long anymore. Long games are becoming an endangered species.

[RememberThe357]

...But really sad.

[heyheyhey]

are you kidding me?

it took 10 years to make a 10 hour game with average visuals?

wow- give 10 years to the Vampire Rain devs- i bet they could make something better

and i realize this is ten years on and off with the Xbox 360 switchover being quite recent.... but still

that's still 10 years of planning, design etc

[joeymoey]

Looks as if they could of made one game out of the trilogy but that might have taken them 30 years to accomplish at this rate.

[dkgshiz]

This game is a flopper. Well too bad so sad. It was bound to be a short piece of doodie. Just by looking at the videos, hell even the screenshots I knew it was going to suck! Plus this game was in development for 9 years! They finally picked out a generation to finally make the game on. But in the end, it just did an epic fail. Its funny this game isn't even out yet, and everyone hates it already! You know the game must suck when people are already complaining about it lol! :)

[dragunrising]

You can play the game again with the same character and stronger enemies. Online co-op should offer something new...as well as achievements for extra incentive. Harder difficulties add more replay value. Downloadable content was promised at a later date to tie together the first game with the inevitable sequel. Too Human is unfairly compared to an rpg; it seems to be much more action oriented. The level grinding, weapon/armor customization, character class, and exploring for loot are all rpgish...but most of the time your fighting. The game is an action rpg for sure and for those expecting a long story experience have every right to be disappointed. I admit being slightly disappointed myself. If this game is anything like Ninja Gaiden II (which I have a feeling it is) I will enjoy it quite a bit. NGII was short (8-9 hours) and didn't have co-op; Too Human is right around the same length with co-op included. I don't understand all the bashing to do with this game. Too Human has always had unrealistically high expectations and this negative revelation (or more specifically revelation portrayed negatively) is another weight on the devs shoulders. I hope people appreciate Too Human for what it is rather than hate it for what its not.

[himdeel]

...has the potential to be a fun game co-op. Even if it is 6 hours I'm pretty enthusiastic that it could be fun playing through with different friends. While I won't have the chance to play via Live (don't have the service anymore) I feel this could be great for friends I have swing by the house. Like all exclusives the prospect of this game not being good scares me but oh well...I can always rent it.

[ThanatosDMC]

So is it because it's not Bluray? Lack of disk space? I dunno, what do you think?

But, yes... if they were able to pack Oblivion in dvd9, why is this so-called RPG have less gameplay time? Is it because they're using Unreal Engine which eats up a load of space?

[GarandShooter]

SK filed a lawsuit against Epic over UE3 and didn't wind up using the engine.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

what makes you think you could beat mgs4 in 5?
you have been playing too much kiddie games with the xbox360!
try beating mgs4 in 5 hours with the solar gun after you unlocked everything else & including multiplayer you will have found yourself playing all day & all night since release.

Too human was hyped only by m$. Just like shadowrun.
if you fell for the hype that makes you a Xbutt.
Too Human will be pretty floppy, what surprises me is that it will retail full price & that's a shame because if you just have a xbox because you are broke. Then, you are getting ripped off all over again.
Xbutts may be delusional but you don't have to be playing outdated, limited, little DVD games.
upgrade!
Too Human is a generic arcade game.
m$ is so pathetic its unbelievable, they should follow sega steps in this business.
just make cheap software games, the referee should stop the fight. Sony is pounding on a knocked out opponent!
its not even fair no more.
I'm gonna call the cops! Xbox360 has been murdered!
Fable 2 is the next piece of crap to be exposed.

[OSIRUSSS]

DVD limitations shows its ugly head?

[AngryTypingGuy]

This is one of those "wait and see" games. Hopefully they'll release a demo. In Too Human's defense, there is no such thing as a game that's "for everyone".

[CallOfWar22]

Microsoft already said Fable 2 and Gears 2 are their flagship titles for 2008. I can't wait to see what these morons have to say when Gears 2 rapes Resistance 2 once again. While Killzone 2 gets raped by COD 6 later next year! Just wait for DA real gears and u'll all be drooling. After the Metal Gear era has already come and gone I am even more confident that I made the right decision in November of 2005!!!

[DontH8DPlayaH8DConsl]

didn't know cod6 was a exclusive? Or even coming out when kz2 drops?! why don't you save us all in taxes and donate that claymore mine that you call a console to the United States Army, I'm sure they can put it to good use!

[Ali_The_Brit]

man i had my 360 on earlier and i thought it was going to take off..so damn loud, then i switched to my silent PS3 and was in heaven

[SkolarVisari]

I'm more concerned about whether the story is told properly within the game time. From the article the answer may be no. It's not about the length of the game so much as whether the game ends when it is supposed to.

[KeiulZen]

OMG this is gettin on my last damn nerves. First people complain about 100+ hour rpgs they dont wanna run through. Then its MGS4 and its long cutscenes. And now its freakin Too Human and that the story "MIGHT" only last 10 hours. Stop being so freakin picky people. These games are supposed to deliver an experience. Even if it might end up short, I'm sure that this game will deliver an experience thats worth while.

Also, Mass Effects main storyline can be beating in like 6-8 hours if you know what you're doing, but because of the optional quest, it extended to 20-24 hours. So we dont really know how many optional quest that might be in the game, just stop freaking whining about stuff.

[1stKnighT]

Well most RPG's you can beat really quick if you want to miss out on the rest of the game. Mass Effect can be beaten in 10 hours but I beat it in 40 hours since I played the whole game. This game is more of an action game with RPG elements so 10 hours is still more than most current games........AHEM, MGS4's 5 hours!!

[Tacki]

Ah, 1stKnighT... unbiased as always. -_-

You can't beat MGS4 in 5 hours on your first playthrough. Even by skipping the cutscenes it's very unlikely. Check out some speedruns for other games and you'll see some meaty titles get cut down considerably. This seemed to be there first playthrough of Too Human and yet they say you can punch through it in about 10 hours. That is almost certainly counting cutscenes as well. Please keep your BS to yourself. Gears of War's campaign is very short but it's still a good game and I doubt I'd see you complaining about that.

In Too Human's defense I think it probably will sit more around 15 hours for most on their first playthrough. You gotta watch it with these sites. You never know how exagerated the comments might be. Not that I'm really disappointed or anything since I never saw how this game got so hyped to begin with. But I just think people should wait till the game is released. All this crap about MGS4 having 90 minute cutscenes came out and that was far from the truth. The longest not even being up to an hour. So I think Too Human should be given its chance.

[Big Jim]

That whole "beating MGS4 in 5 hours" thing is BS. There are people who can run through Portal in a half hour, but it takes most people 3. There are people who can beat Metroid Prime in 4 hours and it took me 40. People play through a game a million times and become so good that they can pass it insanely fast. It doesn't mean anything. Any sort of normal person with a life CANNOT pass MGS4 in 5 hours.

[Boldy]

You obviously haven't read this part in the preview:

"If you're so inclined, you can slam through Too Human's campaign in a little more than 10 hours, and the story of cybernetically enhanced Norse gods ends with a cliffhanger."

Translation: If you've played it once or twice through and just skip all the searching and are playing it just to beat it then you can beat it in a little over 10 hours.

[joeymoey]

2 hours max on the highest difficulty.

[Tacki]

I did see that. In fact I read ALMOST the entire thing. I did skip a few small paragraphs detailing some of the gameplay.

"Translation: If you've played it once or twice through and just skip all the searching and are playing it just to beat it then you can beat it in a little over 10 hours."

That's not exactly what they said. In fact I don't think they detail enough there to really draw an accurate conclusion on what was meant. They didn't specifically say that after playing through it once you can play through again in just over 10 hours. They said 'if so inclined'. It's kind of up to interpretation so I'm not saying you're wrong. Y'see when I see it I think "If you're not one of those players who searches alot then you can get through it pretty fast." They also didn't mention whether this was skipping cutscenes or not. Provided you can. Notice I did also say people should give the game a chance though. I believe there estimation could be off by a few hours.

Just because I'm not interested in the game doesn't mean I think it shouldn't be treated fairly. I'm for waiting till a game's out to pass full judgement on them.

[crank]

In my honest opinion this game was my great hope for the PS2.

It has simply been too long, too many wasted hours, and way too much bit**ing from the developers.

LOL 10 hours with another cliffhanger story.

180 dollars for this tripe that should have all been on one disc, three episodes long and at least 30 hours of true gameplay.

Too Human is too confused for me. I will pass. And I don't think I will ever be buying a 360 at this point.

Note: anyone playing MGS knows what they are getting into. There is nothing else to say. Fanboys can die, and then die again.

This is not MGS, it has none of the background, none of the intensity LOL it's a first year franchise, and the developers are taking waaaaay too long to put out games.

I for one love The Twin Snakes but that was.......... long time ago.

Silicon what happened?

Note 2: MGS in five hours skipping everything by the best players on extreme difficulty, memorizing everything you faucken dooshes.

[rawd]

DVD limitations

1993 called, they want their optical disc format back

[Mc187]

What Rawd said
lol

[Xlll]

10 years in the making. 10 hours of game. Nice..... lol. I love the xbots trying to compare it to MGS4. Considering Too weak is a RPG. 10 hour RPG really? Thats it?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What excuse do you have for MGS4 (5hrs) or HS (6rhs) Uncharted (10hrs) and R&C your longest game at (12hrs) infact the 360 has the longest games this gen with it's JRPG's at 30 to 50 hrs and Mass Effect at 30+ so..............?

[Xlll]

None of the games you listed are RPG's. Jason once again you show us all what xbots have in common with 360's. A large fail rate.

[Big Jim]

I am getting sick and tired of all these 10 hour long western RPGs like Fable, Mass Effect and Too Human. Except for Oblivion, it seems like every western RPG is super short. RPGs are supposed to be LONG, they aren't supposed to be the same length as a shooter. Damn it!

[JokesOnYou]

"As I said after watching the game's opening sequences at this year's Game Developers Conference, Too Human is technically a very well-done game. All the loading times are concealed. The frame rate is generally smooth. There's no pop-in, there's no gaps between the story and gameplay. Everything runs seamlessly together and looks very nice. The humans are perhaps the one exception -- although I like the design of many of the characters, they're still stuck deep in the uncanny valley."

"Now, those who have enjoyed their time in the world of Too Human up through the story's conclusion will have plenty to do if they want to keep building Baldur. By the time you finish the campaign, Baldur will likely only be at level 25 of what I believe is a maximum of 50. He'll have some decent armor and weapons, but there will be lots more out there. You can begin a new campaign with the same character you finished with, and the enemies will scale up accordingly so the challenge can continue. You can even jump into alternate versions of each level with more and different enemies and drops."

hmmm, its NOT a standard RPG, its more of a hybrid of rpg and hack n' slash, action based game so saying its not 40 hrs isn't surprising...still I have to admit 10 hrs is dissapointing, I was thinking more along the lines of 18 to 20 hrs, but again maybe it depends on how you play??? and if nothing else the game itself is running well and even he admits theres some good replay value since the first playthrough will likely only put you at level 25 out of 50 and you can carry everything over for a new game. damm, should have been longer for first play through though, still its sounds all too interesting for me to pass up.

JOY

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

5hrs longer than MGS4

[DontH8DPlayaH8DConsl]

you have neither the skill or console to beat metal gear in 5 hours! Or ten hours or 15....

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Not bad, it's longer than most games that come out and it's longer than all the games on the PS3.

[JVIDICAN]

wrong zone and incorrect statement all in one :D

[Miacosa]

Should make for a good rental.

[juuken]

Blah, blah, and double blah. That's all I heard from you tootietoot. And I wouldn't even bother with your so-called argument there. It's really not worth my time.

[Gerard Way]

I still expect the game to be longer. Usually things I read about games on N4G end up being wrong---mostly just flamebait to start a name-calling war amongst the fannies.

I dont mind a short game. As long as that game has great replay value(online included), then I'll buy it. If its fun, it wont matter if its 5 hours long.

[DFresh]

So your telling me Silicon Knights spent 10 years developing this and it's a flop.
This is not good or either the developers or Microsoft's side of the bargain.
A exclusive is a flop on the 360.
I was thinking about getting a 360 for this game but now I'm glad I didn't.

[Baka-akaB]

@kewlkat007

Well that's one of your problems here ... there arent really many next gen hack and slash games .

You're trying imo , to make the description fit the likes of God of war , heavenly sword , dmc , or NG2 and turn Too Human into something not traditional.... but those games are pure action games , not rpg , not dungeon crawlers . i'd even dare say "beat them all" with or without platform elements . It's expected from these games to be short , or did people used to play 50 hours final fight or shinobi and i didnt get the memo ? (with a limit being stuff far too extremes like heavenly sword in that area ) .

A game like guild wars despite being heavily multiplayer (but wich i consider to be diablo 25 and turned mmo) and partially at least a MMO , features campaigns that are at least twice longer (for each campaign)

Titan quest is over 40 hours long , and that with the addons . Sacred was about 25 hours long , and its upcoming sequel is slated to be even a bit bigger .

Dungeon siege 2 ? 40 to 50 hours ...

With a stretch you could even consider Overlord in the list , and it's around 20-25 hours .

See the patern here ? Basically titles of ACTUALLY the same genre than Too Human are 2 to 4 times longer while still featuring the same replaying factor with coop and item drops .

Of course there isnt an official database about game length but gamesites often draw close estimate for normal players .
I also said earlier that i base those opinions about the game's length , upon weither or not the article says the truth .
Something we'll only really know with other previews/reviews and gamers impressions .

[chidj2]

xbots what the hell 5 hrs mgs4 damn idiots thats SPEEDRUN all the xbots brains are dead with the 10 hours - 10 years - toooooooo little human.

[deno]

I could give a rats butt about reviews. This is a day one purchase for me, infact I already paid it off. So take that!!!

[OJ_juice]

This gonna flop more than a fish out of water.

[jkhan]

An RPG that is 10 hours long, what has the world come to? I mean what will be next gen games like 10 hours rpg, 5 hours shooters? I mean they charge 100 bucks (if you are in Australia)!

[dwjohnson011211]

Very hypocritical people i swear MGS4 can be beaten in 5 hours without counting cinematics. What is the big deal? Length does not ever equal greatness and i call this preview fishy. 2 months away from release and already played everything it has too offer??? Very funny.

I expect this game to range in the low and mid 80's.

[dwjohnson011211]

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

after reading it looks like im right. It will average in the low-mid 80's which is just fine. I need a good dungeon crawler every once in awhile.

[blinker flewid]

why not just wait to play before you bash it on someone else's word?

[RadientFlux]

In the end Too Human will most likely be my game of the year. I have nothing but respect for Silicon Knights and brilliance of their storytelling.

[nycredude]

Seriously its getting old! It is not possible to beat the game in less than five hours with the Big Boss Emblem requirements (the way the video showed) on your first play through without cheating (e.g. using guides and watching a video of someone else doing it)! Even if you finish the game a couple of times and then tried it, it would still be very hard! You saying that it is only 5 hours only shows how retarded you people are.

And why all the hate on Juuken? She usually post very reasonable comments. Even though she favors the PS3 it is allowed, isn't it? Isn't that what the xbox fanboys, and girls do also. So stop being a stupid retard and get off the MGS4 hate train cause it is going nowhere.

And for anyone, I mean anyone defending this game go look at some gameplay videos and then come here to argue! This game looks worse than God of War 1 on the PS2!! Yeah that's right go check!!! Don't let the fanboyism blind you to the fact that this game is sh*t! I also heard that this is supposed to be the 1st of trilogy. Leave it to xbots to lap up a sh*t game like this and ask for more.

And on a parting note, btw If you really believe MGS4 to be a 5 hour game then every single xbox 360 and ps3 game just got owned by a 5 hour game!!!

MGS4 FTW!

Edit: I challenge any MGS4 haters to play it for the first time with the big boss emblem requirements and if you can do it in under 5 hours. Loser get an uppercut to the chin.. Seriously...

PSN: nycredude

[Obama]

Wonder if you can speedrun too human. Coz if you can, then it can completed in an hour and a half lol.

Apparently the bots don't have the ability to comprehend the fact that mgs4 can only be completed in 5 hours by speedrunning.

[FAQS]

Q: Talking about of having great exclusives?...talking about of having only AAA games like this one?...talking about of flop games like Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden 2 and now Too human? Talking about of PS3 have lack of games, just like MGS4, Uncharted, GT5 prologue, Ratchet Clank, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, and the incoming Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Motorstorm PR, FF XIII, Tekken6, Little Big Planet, GT 5, God War 3, HOME against one exclusive Gears of War 2?
A:...................
Q: Did you know that if you rush in this game, running whithout doing anything else, you can finish it in 2 hours? Wow great, isn't it?
A:.................

[ben806]

yes ten hours is short but im not one to go for world records in speed completing games. how long will the average gamer get out of it?

[thereapersson]

If it tanks, i'm going to be sad for Silicon Knights because they brought me the once-proud series of Legacy of Kain which is one of my favorites of all time. I will wait to see what reviews say about this game before I attempt a purchase.

[mistertwoturbo]

Just give it a rent folks. Better to gamble renting time from gamefly, than drop $65. Gamefly saved me $65 from Haze lol.

[PirateThom]

The thing is, Uncharted is also about 10 hours long but has replayability.

If the game is worth going through again, it's instantly doubled in length.

I've spent the same amount of time on 2 playthroughs of MGS4 as my first playthrough of Mass Effect because, to me, MGS4 has more replay value but Mass Effect is just the longer game.

So I wouldn't worry about the length, it's to do with how many times you can play through.

[himdeel]

...for me but GOOD point and Uncharted is absolutely fantastic and has HUGE replay value. Still one of the best games I've gotten my hands on.

edit: Just a thought maybe now they can make me a good Legacy of Kain game.

[DARK WITNESS]

does anyone have a link or know were it was stated that this is an rpg ?

i know it was said by the devs that it had some rpg elements, but all of a sudden everyone is saying its a 10 hr rpg... i would just like to know where that was stated.

on the flip side i am sure you could run and finish Mass effect in less then 10 hours ( remember the key word here is run through it ) and mass effect is meant to be a real RPG.

[PirateThom]

When it was on PlayStation it was a 5 Disc Action RPG.

[DARK WITNESS]

well i mean in its current state... we all know its changed over the 10 years its been around.

i mean from the time it was confirmed on 360.

[misterssippi]

Ten hours of gameplay for an action title is great. there's uber-replayability with co-op and the custimization level of characters/weapons/skills. Also there is a boss mode. This ones gonna be a smash.

[Daxx]

10 hours is fine.

/end discussion

[titntin]

Thus appears to be Diablo with better combat so if 10 hours is even close to being correct, thats a real short game for this sort of dungeon crawl.
Particularly when you realise that there are long cut scenes that can't be skipped, so a proportion of that time must be cut scene time.

I hope the guys wrong, but it looks like this is shapping up to be a disappointment.

[max-jeager]

this game (i hope so cuase i have already order it ) wil have alot of replayabvilty because of the co-op it will be awsome, unless is a crappy game not even co-op can save u take a look at HAZE