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Pachter to Nintendo fans, “Put your money where your mouth is and buy a Wii U”

Pachter says consoles are a dying breed and Nintendo fans should put their money where their mouth is.

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zeal0us3834d ago

Some already did others however are waiting for certain games to come out before they make the purchase.

mikeslemonade3834d ago

Sorry the core Nintendo fan base just isn't that big. When you look at all the core gamers who bought the N64 and Gamecube. The install bases for those two systems were small.

Just face it.. the 3DS install base is made up mainly casual gamers. Don't believe me? Just look at the software sales outside of Pokemon.

BosSSyndrome3834d ago

Fire Emblem Awakening says hello.

mii-gamer3834d ago

What? The best selling games are traditional Nintendo franchises

Animal crossing: New Leaf
Super Mario 3d World
Mario Kart
New Super Mario Bros
Fire emblem
Kid Icarus
Mario & Luigi
Luigi ghost mansion
Ocarina of time 3d
paper mario

plus there is a huge array of succesful 3rd party games

layton
castlevania
resident evil
monster hunter
kingdom hearts 3d
street fighter IV
Ace attorney

Casual titles like brain age and nintendo cats and dog are not nearly doing as well as its predecessors. Casual titles are clearly overshadowed by the sheer amount of quality Nintend games on the 3ds

Sly-Lupin3834d ago

Not really the best counterargument. You're assuming Nintendo hasn't arcued any additional core fans with the massively popular Wii, NDS or 3DS. You're also failing to account for the large library of high quality games the WiiU has access to thanks to the virtual console and Wii backwards compatibility, both of which (I am very sorry to say) absolutely dwarf the competition.

Compared to the PS3, the WiiU may not look so hot, but next to the XB3 and PS4, it's a much better machine for gamers.

mikeslemonade3834d ago

Well if you say there are that many games then why isn't the install base growing at a fast rate. It's because those games don't sell. You can argue that they are quality games but they don't sell.

Metallox3834d ago

Do you just care of sales or what?

jcnba283834d ago

"Just face it.. the 3DS install base is made up mainly casual gamers."

That has got to be the biggest fail comment I have read on awhile lol

Why is it then that the top selling games are mainly triple A titles? Casuals don't play Fire Emblem, Monster Hunter, Pokemon, Ocarina of Time, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus, Super Street Fighter 4 etc.

Nice try though.

mikeslemonade3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

^
This article is about sales. Patcher says Nitendo fans need to own up and buy Wii U.

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Thanks for supporting my argument. So the core games are the bestselling but however it doesn't translate to high system sales. ..Prooving my point that there's not that many core gamers to begin with for Nintendo.

..What it does say is the core gamer buys the most games where as the majority of sales(just like in the other systems are casual gamers). Just that Nintendo has the most casual gamers. Those casual gamers have a low attach rate. They probably buy the 3DS and then have only 3 games in 2 years typically.

^ regards to the article
It's not about the DS anyway! Patch says 30 mil for Wii U, 90 mill for X1, 110 mil for PS4. I'd say 120 mil PS4, WiiU 30 mil, X1 40 mil.

And then my orignal argument is that the core gamer has already bought the Wii U. Which is the 2-3 million Nintendo console fans. PS4 and X1 have a large demographic in COD or Sports games which account for 20 million. COD sells in the 15 millions.

Yes the marios, zeldas, DKs, metroids, fire emblem etc. and etc. sell systems and games. But their ceiling is somewhere around 30 million. Because when you look at the SNES, N64, and Gamecube. They all sold 60 million and under.

The Wii1 found the casual market. With Nintendo's focus on WiiU they are not innovative enough compete in the casual market or strong enough to compete in the hardcore market. What's left is just the Nintendo 1st party fan. The Nintendo fan that only accounts to several million.

mii-gamer3834d ago

mikeslemonade @ Dude you are contradicting yourself.

First you make the claim that majority of 3ds owners are casual games and the Nintendo fanbase isn't that big.

Yet the evidence shows that the best selling games are in fact core nintendo franchises, therefore the correlation is that Nintendo fans are indeed buying the console and games.

then you make this claim

"So the core games are the bestselling but however it doesn't translate to high system "
sales."

and yet the 3DS is selling extremely well better than any console thanks to the core games mentioned above. So your point is wrong

."What it does say is the core gamer buys the most games where as the majority of sales(just like in the other systems are casual gamers). Just that Nintendo has the most casual gamers. Those casual gamers have a low attach rate. They probably buy the 3DS and then have only 3 games in 2 years typically."

wrong as this stems from your previous point. And where is the source for your attachment rate. Unless, you can provide evidence, you are pulling stuff out of your arse without any substance

Skip_Bayless3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

Yes I meant to say WiiU since the article is about the Wii U NOT THE DS.

No.., where is your proof that these games sell that well. When I look at VG chartz the top 10 games are not DS games and certainly not Wii U games(besides Pokemon). However system sales the 3DS is selling well.

Excuse me for mixing the systems up.. I don't play Nintendo games anymore. I just got carried away giving more examples on why there's more casual gamers.

And I did not contradict myself about the Nintendo fan base. Nintendo fan base and install base are two different things. I own a Wii but that doesn't mean I'm a NIntendo fan, but however that counts as 1 sale in the install base. Ya get what i'm saying?

guitarded773834d ago

Nintendo fanboys are the biggest detriment to Nintendo. Whenever someone voices a reasonable criticism of Nintendo, they lynch the person. Nintendo needs these criticisms to advance. Nintendo's current model is years behind Sony and Microsoft in terms of online gameplay and features. If someone is REALLY a fan of Nintendo, they would voice their concerns to Nintendo. If enough people say the same things, Nintendo will have their hand forced, and ultimately add features/support which would sell more units. With a bigger install base comes more games... more features... more everything.

Shnazzyone3833d ago

Since when is pokemon a casual title? It's pretty much as hardcore as monster hunter. It's as hardcore as you want it to be. Pokemon is more hardcore than call of duty because it's infinitely more complex.

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THamm3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

He's right, unfortunately.
Nin fans: "We want more 3rd party games"
However, only a speck of the owners even purchased a 3rd party game.
Nintendo did this to their own image by catering to kids with the Wii and moving away where the Gamecube actually was getting great ports at the time while being weakest
mikeslemonade is absolutely correct

Concertoine3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

When 3rd party games are late ports, gimped ports or overpriced ports... why would you buy them.
Rayman legends sold comparitively well, in some reports better on wii u than the other platforms. Zombi u sold 600,00 copies, i dont know how it wasnt profitable considering the game was hardly big budget.
Sonic all stars racing transformed sold best on wii u.
Otherwise there are no 3rd party titles WORTH buying.
The gamecube got great sales on good 3rd party games like soul calibur 2, but when games were missing features like splinter cell or i believe timesplitters AND lacked online multiplayer (nintendos fault there) of course they didnt sell! Gamecube owners embraced good games not crap ports, same with wii u

truechainz3834d ago

Gamecube was not the weakest. It was stronger than PS2.

THamm3834d ago

Sorry I meant 3rd place

Concertoine3834d ago

Why is THIS getting disagrees.
This is the case with every console ever. It's no different with wii u. When theres NO games out, no one will buy it. When the big titles come out the system will sell. Even the whole core nintendo fan argument is flawed, i doubt the wii invited NO additional fans onboard. Look at the sales of 1st party nintendo stuff compared to the gamecube, although the percentage is lower, sales increased across the board.

Neonridr3834d ago

Vita was no different, look how it sold for the first year and a half. Especially in Japan. It's only now that sales are starting to take off there.

Let's see how this little machine does over the holidays before we dig its grave prematurely.

Chupa-Chupa3834d ago

Patcher doesn't own gaming consoles and he drinks milk on hot summer days.

ritsuka6663834d ago

Once an idiot, always an idiot. Don't bother listening to a word he says, it's better for your health..

InTheLab3834d ago

The man is good at what he does. Unfortunately, most gamers have no clue what Pachter's actual job is and it most certainly isn't gaming predictions.

He's also a very smart man. Wedbush doesn't hire any chump off the street.

Studio-YaMi3834d ago

"Once an idiot, always an idiot. Don't bother listening to a word he says, it's better for your health.."

Says the fanboy.

Blastoise3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

I'll pick it up at some point

Just waiting for a reasonably priced Monster Hunter bundle with the Pro gamepad

ricochetmg3834d ago

The wii u gaming pad works fine for wii.

-Foxtrot3834d ago

I think I'd rather play Mario Kart to Smash Bros to Monster Hunter with the pro controller to be honest

ricochetmg3834d ago

I played mh with the pad and it grows on you.

AJBACK2FRAG3833d ago

Arrrrrggghhhhh! It's gtowing on me!!!!!!!lol!

ricochetmg3833d ago

Its a great controller just needs games.

LOL_WUT3834d ago

This goes out to those who defend the WiiU but don't actually own the system yet. You guys need to go out and support your system and yes that included 3rd party games ;)

Thepcz3834d ago

yes, i have been saying this for a while now.

wiiu has no games, and the proof for that statement is the fact it isnt selling. meaning there are millions of nintendo fans who wont even buy it themselves.

i am one of them

just because i like nintendo doesnt mean i will splash out £200+ on a console with nothing going for it

Chrischi19883834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

I am happily willing to buy third party stuff for my Wii U, just like CoD Ghost, but as many have already mentioned, I dont have endless money and I dont want to spend my money on games, that are better everywhere else. I am not talking about graphics, I can easily live with that, but getting no DLCs, having no multiplayer or getting a late port for full price, while on the other consoles for the same price, you get the whole trilogy. I mean, what do you expect? Nintedo was always suppodes to be a cheap console to get and it is like that, but with what third parties do, it is not really cheap anymore. I mean, on amazon you can get a Wii U for under $250 in the warehousedeals.

The only games, which were not gimped down, but also had its issues, was Rayman Legends and it sold best on Wii U, not that it sold very well, but best on Wii U. This just shows, that people are willing to buy a full game. I own a PC, why should I buy AC4 for Wii U, knowing it wont get any DLC, if I can get the whole game, with all DLC for cheaper than any console version and with better graphics, than any of the console version? OK, I dont care that much for graphics, as long as they dont look like utter crap, but getting more for less is an argument, that make sense.

I am talking to a lot of people who own a WIi U and who want to play third party on it and we didnt have only one conversation about how third party is somehow sabotaging all their Wii U games in a way.

Name me one 3rd Party game for Wii U, which was not gimped down, bad port, no DLC, released date pushed to later that year to make it multiplat, no multiplayer or overpriced, because the whole trilogy with same graphics just released for the same price on the other consoles. There is not 1 game.

JackieCruise693834d ago

I agree with all of that besides the 3rd party, unless that's aimed at me directly for my previous comments On third party...
I'll gladly go buy more third party games, as long as they're not gimped. which there aren't many.

ELpork3834d ago

Nawww... No I'm good... I've got my 3DS, and that's the only one really worth owning.

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How Many More Victims, Like Garry's Mod, Will Nintendo's Hurtful Crusade Create?

Hanzala from eXputer: "As Nintendo takes out 20 years' worth of stuff from Garry's Mod, I watch in shock, thinking why it continues to hurt and discourage its fans."

RiseNShine9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

The irony that some of the most disgusting business practices come from companies like Disney or Nintendo, i can't even begin to understand what terrible damage was Garrys Mod making to Nintendo bottom line, imho they're getting pretty nervous about where they're heading in the future, handhelds are no longer something exclusive to Nintendo, from Steam Deck to many others, now you can play the latest games and pay a fraction of the price on Steam sales, so it's up to their exclusives, which just on their own would make hard to justify purchasing a closed overpriced hardware with outrageous price policies (Super Mario Odyssey is still 60 euro 6 years later!), and as a home console they're always underperforming compared to Sony or Xbox.

gold_drake9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

i cam guarantee you, that their exclusives alone is what drives switch sales. they sell in the 10s of millions of copies.

nintendo created their franchises to be sort of nostalgia driven, exclusive only on nintendo.

people will always buy the pkmn games as they always bring in new younger fans amd is family friendly

mario kart, the same thing, mario games in general.

zelda games are system sellers. animal crossing for the casual gamers.

nintendo doesnt need third vame devs essentially. they made sure with the switch and the limitations that they looked more to pc ps and xbox.

its sad, but nintendo is more than fine with what they're doing. they positioned themselves to appeal to the more casual gamers.

but to your point, im not sure why they're doing this rly.

Inverno9d ago

Look at how they handled Nintendo games being streamed or uploaded on YouTube in the past. They killed Yuzu and Citra even when they had nothing to do with ToTK being leaked, not to mention it was basically unplayable on emulation the week it was leaked. Smash Bros tournament, that was fairly recent. They shut down their online services without any care for purchases made. I bought a switch after skipping their last 2 consoles and handhelds but I don't plan on buying anything Nintendo in the future. They take things to the extremes, they legitimately hate their fans. They're honestly right up there with the likes of Acti, EA, and Ubi, only difference is that they disguise themselves as being family friendly all the while being shady.

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