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13-year old kid attempts to rape mother & ends up killing her for taking away Call of Duty

13-year old kid attempts to rape mother & ends up killing her for taking away Call of Duty

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LOL_WUT4035d ago

What is the world coming to? ;)

abzdine4035d ago

this is insanity, human being has no more morality

HammadTheBeast4035d ago

What the hell....

Why would you give a kid a gun....

Sigh.

Why was CoD brought into this?

kevnb4035d ago

things like this have always happened. Internet spreads news more easily and quickly though. Just look up what happened 200 years ago, its rather shocking.

coolmast3r4035d ago

Nothing. Just another psychopath. They always were a tiny part of the society we live in. Don't advertise this case as a sensation.

NukaCola4035d ago

I'm pretty sure this has zero to do with COD and 100% a clear case of a sick disturbed bastard who has no ability to control himself. Either way, this is disturbing and sad

bigrob9044035d ago

mistake number 1 give child gun.

InMyOpinion4035d ago

@NukaCola - "100% a clear case of a sick disturbed bastard who has no ability to control himself."

It's a 13-year old kid. He might have been born "evil" as you suggest, although that's the easiest and simplest conclusion to jump to.

I find it more likely that he either was shaped this way while growing up (the article mentions nothing about his background, personal life or family relations), or that he suffered from an illness (ADD etc) and was not given any treatment.

insomnium24035d ago

1. Do not give a kid a gun.

2. Do not let kids play a mature rated games.

I bet if I gave my 7yo boy a gun he would friggen shoot me the next time I tell him to clean his room. Kids do not have the kind of understanding a gun requires.

I'm not even sure if I feel that sorry for the woman. She gave the boy a gun and let him play mature games for years presumably since the boy wouldn't be THAT hooked to it otherwise. How effing completely STUPID can you be?

A 13yo is not old enough to be the one to blame for this. This idiot of a woman got what she asked for and she ruined her entire family's lives in the process. Slow clap. What an effing waste.

Boody-Bandit4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

IT'S VIOLENT GAMES PEOPLE!
Humans have NEVER been violent before the creation of video games! NEVER! /s

It's asinine incidents like this that give some opportunistic Ahole politician a way to score political points and take the focus off the real problem. A 13 year old with access to a gun. Let alone an M (17+) Rated game. Gee I wonder how he got that?

But to be honest I don't believe the rhetoric that games cause people to act out in any way. We are aggressive by nature and if not games it would be sports, politics, religion, money, health, relationships, etc and so on. Why is it that certain outlets (mostly politicians and some whack head doctors) try to link video games to violence? Oh that's right. I already answered it. Because they want to do the whole, "NOT ME, LOOK OVER THERE. That's the real problem." *SIGH*

Sorry but one more point. I get a little sick of hearing people saying what a good boy, no known problems, never acted out, nothing medically wrong. Yet he tried to RAPE his own mother before killing her? Seriously. I am a father of 3, all grown, and even I don't kid myself thinking I know everything about my kids.

Humans are animals by nature. We may "think" know what we are truly capable of most of the time, but sometimes we do things we really wish we could take back or do things we didn't really think we were capable of until it happens.

ZombieNinjaPanda4035d ago

The world isn't coming to anything. YOu think the world is bad now? Ever been drawn and quartered before? Then ask what is the world coming to.

HappyGaming4035d ago

@abzdine I seriously dislike your point of view on this. One psychotic child is given a gun and he shoots his mother. Firstly he wouldn't have done it if he wasn't given a gun. It was a heat of the moment thing where his mental problems all fired up.

Secondly the world is improving. 60 years ago people in Germany were using human soap bars. 100 years ago the Ottoman empire was still sentencing people to death by making them sit on a long sharp metal pole till it reached their neck (through their a**) and killed them.
In ancient Rome it was entertaining to round up slaves and Christians and feed them to lions every weekend.

When did we ever have more morality in the first world then we do now in the 21st century?

1 kid with a mental illness and a gun in his hand just says we have insane parents who actually think their kids would be safer with a weapon that can take lives with just one click.

Darrius Cole4035d ago

Miss me with all the gun control crap. This boy tried to rape his own mother. Let me write that again, RAPE HIS OWN MOTHER. He had deep issues that go beyond simply having access to a gun, or simply having a video game.

Gaming1014035d ago

This just in, the NRA has an announcement:
That mother should have shot back with her own gun! The answer is never less guns, or background checks, or sanity checks, the answer is crossfire with the kids!

Unbelievable. Gun manufacturers have politicians in the back pocket. Any legislation that would limit the sale of guns, even to crazy people or criminals is voted down by American politicians who are completely bought and paid off by the NRA. Gun manufacturers make money by selling more guns, so they don't want crazy people and criminals to not have guns because that hurts sales. It also means sane people will be scared to walk the streets unarmed, so they'll be fear-mongered into buying more guns, thus more profits for gun manufacturers.

Given that every country in the world with 40 gun deaths a year compared 40,000 in the US thinks the US is absolutely bat shit crazy with its archaic insane thinking, it is clear nothing will ever get done so long as the NRA keeps buying politicians.

snipes1014035d ago

I find it ironic that people say "don't blame CoD, blame the gun," which is just people targeting another scapegoat. Double standards much?

The kid tried to rape her corpse. What part of that sentence makes you think that he wouldn't have been just as likely to grab a knife and stab her twenty times?

Use some sense people, and follow your own rules, too.

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thechosenone4035d ago

The fault here lies totally with the parents for giving this little psycho a rifle at the age of 11 for fack's sake.

"Noah Crooks’ attorney is not denying that his client killed his mother, but claims the boy suffered what he referred to as a “tumor of rage”.

a child psychiatrist will testify Crooks suffers from ‘intermittent explosive disorder’ – a mental illness marked by repeated episodes of impulsive, aggressive or violent behavior."

awi59514035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Giving a child a gun causes less problems than keeping gun safety from them. I grew up with guns like a lot of kids from the south like me. The only kids that shoot themselves accidently with guns are the ones that know nothing about them. Thats why for the last say 200 years my family has always taught our kids about guns and like his father and his father before him i got my first gun at like age 10. It's been a long tradition in states that actually hunt forever. I knew from a early age that guns kill and was taught to respect them.

When you grow up on a farm and you have to kill, cows, chickens, and Hogs all the time you know what death is and you learn to fear it. City boys maybe think they are immortal when they are young but us country folks know better.

This kid was screwed up in the head from the start and blaming guns isnt going to fix the mental health problem in the U.S at all. I see sick people walking the street everyday, everyone in town knows they are totally nuts but we cant lock them up untill they do something stupid.Its against their civil rights to lock them up before hand against their will.

@DragonKnight

You're probably from a stupid state like New york that have no gun rights anyway so you have no problem taking away rights you dont have in the first place. I can't stand people who dont own guns, never shot guns, don't know anything about guns, trying to tell me what i can and can't do with my guns. Kids have been going on their first deer hunts at 8 years old forever so why is it a problem now. Because pansy people like you keep making excuses for their bad behavior. This kid was just sick that's it there will always be one a-hole out of 1000 that will do something stupid We cant stop it that's human nature. But im not going to punish the 99 percent of people for the 1 percent of idiots out there. If we did that non of us could ever leave the house.

DragonKnight4035d ago

Why in the actual f*** would anyone give a kid a REAL GUN?! See, that's the REAL problem these days. Terrible parents. You give a kid a gun, you let him play a game whose primary objective is killing an enemy with guns, you obviously place no restrictions and make the child spoiled, and then you wonder why s*** like this happens. I swear, it should be mandatory that every new parent be required to take parenting classes whenever they have a baby and take refresher courses at the necessary stages of development. Either that, or someone invent common sense classes and require that of parents.

I mean even if this kid had a mental disorder, which isn't even mentioned as being a possibility, it's still up to the parents to create structure and discipline. Any of his deficiencies are due to them not doing right by their child.

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DeadIIIRed4034d ago

@Gumtrol, Human tallow makes for terrible soap. Nazi soap is just war folklore.

shivvy244034d ago

AND ONCE AGAIN IM BLAMING PARENTING !! WHY THE FUCK IS A 13 YR OLD PLAYING 18+ GAMES !! THERES A REASON WHY THERES A HUGE FUCKING STICKER ON THE SIDE READING 18+ !! oh btw notice how its from america lol

Dee_914034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

gave a child a gun
let child play a shooting game for mature audiences.

Another case of bad parenting reaching a peak.

@awi5951
Are you serious?Like really are you serious?
Your saying the only kids that shoot themselves dont know nothing about guns?First off KID SHOULDNT HAVE GUNS PERIOD!
I have a friend in the army that probably has 100x more knowledge of guns then you ever will and he still managed to shoot his self in the foot.
I cant even comprehend what you typed.Like its impossible for me to put myself in your shoes and say what you said and actually think it makes sense.
I agree blaming guns is very stupid.But saying giving kids guns and teaching them about them would be safer because YOU and people YOU KNOW just happen to not have had an accident yet is probably stupider.

Ravenor4034d ago

@awi5951

Don't be ignorant, a kid having a gun in his possession with ammunition is grade A stupid. I'm all for gun education and for people of all ages to learn how to shoot, but don't be daft.

Is it really so wrong for it to be locked up at all times when not supervised? Or does that not jive with your infallible down south wisdom? Like the kid lived in a rural area, not a farm.

ThanatosDMC4034d ago

Stupid parents who give teenagers a gun. Dont they remember how being a teenager was?

hellvaguy4034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

Actually this kind of stuff has been going on since the dawn of time (in low percentages, thankfully). It's only thru all the media we have out now, that we hear about it.

If anyone bothers to read about human history, we are living in the most peaceful time ever (relatively speaking) by far.

grimmweisse4034d ago

@awi, you are a very special kind of stupid. Justifying kids with guns! Really?

Ser4034d ago

Please, Gaming101.

If you think that the firearm is to blame in this situation, you're incorrect. Brb, I've gotta get ready for my hunting trip tomorrow - me and my buddies are bringing a few rifles and we're going to have a perfectly safe and responsible time.

The kid is to blame, and the mother for providing the gun and allowing her child to play an M-rated game at the age of 13/14. GG.

RedDevils4034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

Let just say the kid is totally fucked up/mental problem. Gun don't kill people, but stupidity do!

Autodidactdystopia4034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

problem is people don't beat their kids no mo.

sorry but its true. those little authority challenging people to be need their ass beat every once in a while so they don't get god syndrome.

then they wont shoot you cause they know you'll beat their ass. (works in kid logic)

teach them right from wrong we wouldn't have this problem. but politically correct America with its lazy ass kids, want everything for free NOW!, or else they will kill you haha fuckin little bitch needs to be taught... family didn't teach it so look what happened.

in all seriousness this politically correct bullshit America is pulling is getting 20yrs old I for one am tired of it. mind your own fukn business and beat your kids when they display absolutely unacceptable behavior and life will cruise.

I had my ass beat and because of that I didn't think I could kill people without repercussions. hence kids need to be brought up, they don't come pre-programmed to be awesome people. you give them that and later in life they learn to thank you for it.

this kid will grow up in prison all because his mom/dad didn't show him who's boss.. cause that would be abuse... HA!

facepalm!

edit: likely one of you will pull the mentally unstable card.

what do you think would've happened if his mom/dad disciplined him in other ways besides "taking away his COD". he would fear them over god. and love them just as much.

guns aren't the problem. and if you want an honest debate start here.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

SolidStoner4034d ago

He is a child, he must be in some weird state of mind... this must be parents fault, like in all cases involving children since they must 100% follow and understand theyre child nature, help him and be responsible for everything he does... if parents cant control a kid then I dont want to sound mean.. this is life.. and in life shit happens, we have to understand that human being is only an animal, and if you dont put work into animal it will stay an animal... you have to learn human being how to be a human being.. and I now it sounds weird or crazy for some.. but you cant argue with reality, shit happens if things get out of control!

Karpetburnz4034d ago

Clearly the kid was mental. he tried to rape his own mother. WTF, that's sick

who hell gave this kid a gun?

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Irishguy954034d ago

Well that escalated quickly.

darthawesome904034d ago

I saw someone insomnium2 say this "A 13yo is not old enough to be the one to blame for this."

Well when I was 13 I was already in High School...he was old enough.

Now if he had mental issues that's another story altogether.

snipes1014034d ago

Obviously a very unpopular point of view, but I was raised the same way @awi was. I've been shooting guns since age 8 and I know what they can do. By being taught about how dangerous they are, using them on a regular basis, and using proper safety techniques, I realized what a gun was, and what shouldn't be done with it.

I get the strong feeling that the people crucifying @awi did not grow up in a similar fashion. It's not about "being stupid," as you people are suggesting. It's about having an understanding of a powerful piece of machinery from a young age so as to avoid incidents like this.

Long story short - the more I was taught about guns, the less I ever wanted to shoot anybody with one.

Dee_914034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

@anubusgold
You and awi might not realize this but living in the country isnt the only dangerous place in the world.You had to worry about animals,people in cities had to worry about muggers rapist and kidnappers.Hop off your high horse thinking your some how better because you learned "survial skills" at a young age.We ALL learned survival skills at a young age WE DONT NEED a gun to survive.You NEED TO BE SMART to survive.Why the hell would someone who live in a city need to know all of that stuff?If we entered another dark age we would have enough food to survive on in our life time.By the time we die off and if we are still in dark age our kids will learn all that crap you listed.Its unnecessary to know that stuff now, yea it would be cool to know but chances of me needing to know that crap is slim to none.

To everyone else.As someone who grew up in the "wilderness" and had to kill rattle snakes and possums on my front porch, everyone from the country isnt a dumb "redneck" like awi and anubusgold.They think that because they didnt have any incidents with guns that, that means teaching kids about guns is the winning solution.That little thing about everybody being different doesnt apply to them for some reason.

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Lior4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

for a call of duty game damn, why are these stories only from america? as a member of the UK this is pretty stupid giving kids guns for their birthdays, in the uk guns are very very very hard to come by and knife crime has gone straight down thanks to the new knife crime control acts. it funny how we made the best guns around 100-200 years ago and now there is nobody is allowed to own one

Nicolee4035d ago

hope they ban guns in USA one day , where on the earth they allow freedom to buy gun like in USA.

papashango4035d ago

They allow civilians to own guns so that we wouldn't be at the mercy of the government should they become tyrannical. Our forefathers gave us a way out.

Unfortunately I don't think they foresaw future generations of americans becoming fat and lazy that tend to look the other way when our country needs us the most.

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nypifisel4035d ago

The amendment on gun ownership was pointed at the British since the US didn't have a standing army at the time. It's horribly outdated today and just stupid. If the US were to ban firearms the homicide rate would drop dramatically. At least successful ones. Hadn't there been firearms in that house OR they had been properly locked away that woman would still be alive for sure.

Statix4035d ago

@nypifisel:

Banning law-abiding citizens from legally owning guns would barely put a dent on gun crime, because the vast majority of gun homicides are committed by illegal gun owners.

Just look at Chicago, where you have the strictest gun control laws in the country, but paradoxically the highest rates of gun homicides. This should tell you that banning legal guns would only take away the rights and abilities of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from illegal gun owners. Rather than doing this, we should be focusing on cracking down on ILLEGAL gun ownership instead.

Dirtnapstor4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

@Statix...agreed. Obviously you are an aware citizen. The world needs more minds like you.

@jommy999...learn from history, that's all I can say in regards to that asinine statement. Besides, there are plenty of laws that don't do a damn thing, say for instance the issue of rape.
Laws for the most part keep honest people honest. Unfortunately nowadays (in USA) laws are beginning to criminalize everyone prior to any infraction. We need common sense leaders, not commonwealth ideologues.

awi59514035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Taking away guns from law biding citizens is stupid you will just turn them into criminals. The criminals get full auto weapons for 300 dollars off the street it will cost me 17 thousand to get one legally? The funny thing is i never hear of the gang bangers going to jail for their illegal ak's. It seems only the law bidding citizens get all the governments attention.

Salooh4034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

Exactly. But you should know that leaders are important in that issue because if they are idiots then chaos will spread. For example we have a little different issue then you but it have the same meaning. In my country the only ones that kill are the police(mercenaries). Rulers here give their children and men weapons so we hear that they shoot some buildings or anyone they hate wether in political or religion or disagreement every while.

What i'm saying controlling who get the guns is important. I don't think giving the citizens guns is a good idea. It's not really for protecting. It's just an excuse. People shouldn't kill each other. My country is a prove of how people respect each other. We don't see this kind of things here. We raised that way and religion itself is the law. We really don't care about the law the dictators here put. So i advice you to have some kind of law that all people agree on and if anyone go against it means it effect people in a bad way which means apply that kind of law on him. It's as simple as that. But as we know the law isn't for people right now.

hellvaguy4034d ago

Look at all the anti-gun zealots coming out in ignorant force.

If it wasn't a gun, it would have been a knife or shive. Probably more logical to have better parenting and common sense, than to blame a game or a gun, or even a pencil used as a poker. You know those plastic knives are serious. Outlaw them since they were used to take over planes for 911.

Ser4034d ago

Pry 'em from my hands, jommy999.

You'll not get mine. I'm a law-abiding citizen with a clean record, and I own tons of firearms. Just because a few putzes can't control themselves doesn't mean we should all be punished for it.

Where else but the USA, indeed!

Salooh4034d ago

Guys, don't get me wrong. I would love to get a gun. It's just not a good idea to let all people have them so i can sacrifice my self need so others don't use it in a bad way. Collecting guns doesn't worth someone killed. Guns should be used for defending the country and i respect that but not assault people or other countries like what is happening right now..

I'm not saying guns only the way to kill. It's just one of the easy tools to commit it. So removing them will lower the rate of these crimes and to prove my talk look at my country Bahrain. It's rare when these things happen.

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ApolloTheBoss4035d ago

The media is about to eat this up, too. Get ready for more of the blame game.

kneon4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Hopefully they won't gloss over the fact that giving a 13 old easy access to firearms is never a good idea.

Kids do stupid things, they always have and they always will. Making it easy for these moments of stupidity to become lethal is a whole other level of stupidity.

LackTrue4K4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

jeezus christ!!!

i blame most of this problem on the government!!!
cuz of the government, we can't really do much to punish a child. (lack of spankings) control/lack of respect/ and discipline.

its just another way of the government/society to blame it all on the parents, and the media only helps the government add to the fire!
U.S. trys to control EVERYTHING!!! and its slowly turning it in to another 3rd world country.

and if the child is just crazy, the media will say other wise...."violent in games needs to stop"

DeadSpaced4035d ago

You don't need to physically harm a child to teach the right from wrong..

kingmushroom4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

@deadspace

I disagree, It puts you in line and sets you straight.

but in this kids case he has a condition, the people at fault are the parents :

1.buying Cod for 13year old.
2.not taking the kids condition serious
3.buying the kid a gun..(are you freaking serious)
4.ignoring red flags.

If the media and people are gonna keep blaming video games and not accept the real truth. then death and tragedy are the only outcome of such ignorance.

ZombieKiller4035d ago

You bought an 11 year old a gun, then gave him free reign to play COD, WHICH MIMICS GUNS.....fail. I'm sorry, I definitely feel for the family, but this was asked for.... there is an age limit on stuff like this for a reason. Why wasnt the gun locked up? I was a different person when i was a teenager. Filled with rage and a complete misunderstanding for the world. The more i live my life, the more i umderstand and care about whats important. How can you risk your life and the lives of others around you by placing your faith in an 11 year olds PRIMITAVE, UNDEVELOPED mind? I wouldnt give any 11 year old a COD game yet alone a freakin .22 Im sure you guys saw the latest campaign where Menendez slits everyones throats. Hell, the OPENING SCENE alone is enough to make any parent say no

strauser3604035d ago

Whether or not you agree with the age he was playing the game at, the fact is that kids all over are playing call of duty and other violent games (I saw a 5 year old with a MW3 cap on). To assert that CoD did this would be silly, although what responsible parent buys an 11 y.o. a gun and ammo? A very disturbing story.

lizard812884035d ago

It comes down to parenting.

#1 Don't give a 13 year old a freaking gun.

#2 CoD is rated 'M' for Mature, via 18 years or older to buy it, which would imply to be 18 to play it (granted, it is based on your maturity level, but just to steam line this).

I feel bad, but huge mistakes were made here.

kparks4034d ago

Its so funny reading city folks comments so its the parents fault and the guns fault the kid has serious mental issues lets not even look at the rape attempt yeah the kid was all there... Ive been shooting guns pretty much my whole life from when i was about 4 and had full access by the time i was 8 and so did just about everyone i know by the time i was this kids age i was skipping school with my buds to go hunting with no adults in sight.. Its good to introduce kids to guns at a young age u should prolly keep a lock on the gun if ur kid has one but thats on the parents. if the gun wasnt there be would of just usex a knife or something then everyone will be OMG who has knives around a 11 year old

showtimefolks4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Oh great now all gamers are the worst people on face of this earth

Just what the people who hate gaming needs

WTH a kid doing playing COD(I know kids play it but t should be on the parents to make sure their kids don't play games that are meant to be for adults)

ZombieKiller4034d ago

@kparks there are laws on these things for a reason. Same sort of reason why its illegal for an 11 yr old to drive a car. The mind has not matured entirely to warrant that sort of responsibility. Just because your parents allowed you to have a gun at an early age doesnt mean its right. There are MILLIONS of things to do at 11 guns should NOT be one of them. Go play a freakin nintendo and leave the real games to the adults. Not like we want any kids on COD anyway. I just dont get the parents giving the freedom to the kid....have a lil patience, everyone grows up one day, give him the gun then and let him play games a 13 yr old deserves to play at that age.

legionsoup4035d ago

Why does a 13 year old kid have a .22????

Chidori4035d ago

I wanted pokemon games at 13. Not a freakin gun.

What on earth was the mother thinking getting him a gun? Horribly sad story, but huge mistakes like that will definitely come with consequences. Now the mother is dead and the boy has lost his chance at life. Sad. I can't seem to get over the rape attempt. So it's not just about the gun he got for his birthday or COD. This kid obviously had serious mental issues. Something tragic was probably sure to happen involving this kid.

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Gh05t4034d ago

Because some children have responsibility and discipline and aren't mentally ill and are taught safety and respect.

Lots of children have guns so if guns were the problem you would hear a lot more stories like this. Just because you don't think its appropriate for a child to have a gun doesn't mean that there aren't thousands of kids with rifles. Not too many of them shoot their mom... even less try to rape their mom afterwords.

THIS kid should not have had access to a gun (obviously) but he did and this happened. Cause and effect it is over now lets move on.

shadowst174034d ago

It's America, having a gun at the age of 8 is seen as normal in allot of states. America is cool but fuck them and their right to bear arms, the fact they didn't pass the bill to have background checks for people buying their first gun, seriously why wouldn't you want background checks? I think if someone has murdered someone in the past i don't think they should legally be allowed to obtain a gun.

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GrownUpGamer4034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

@ abzdine "this is insanity, human being has no more morality"

That is OLD NEWS and... Godd/Bad people <--- see the difference?
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"Halbach said that he slapped handcuffs on Noah's wrists and placed him in the patrol car. He added that the teenage suspect was not crying and did not appear emotional.

mmm...

"Crooks suffers from intermittent explosive disorder - a mental illness by repeated episodes of impulsive aggressive or violent behavior."

mmm... Let me guess NOW i lose my rights because of this and lets destroy the second amendment?

Call of Duty?
Gun?
Mental Illness?

Watch and see how the Gun grabbers use this soon as an excuse to gun banning.

TopDudeMan4034d ago

It's not even remotely to do with the video game. The kid was messed up and shouldn't have had access to a gun in the first place. It's just the media's hate war against video games that lead to the title of the article being named like that.

ps3_pwns4034d ago

anyone has his xbl gamer tag? this is what cod and achievements has done to the world sucking kids in with addiction. i had a friend who always wanted to play video games back then on snes and stuff now with all this added stuff its even more addicting and bad. kids need to have games that open there minds not shuts them like cod mp. need more games like beyond 2 souls, journey etc. xbox has none of this.

Ravenor4034d ago

You're not in too deep. /Sarcasm

Someone is dead and in your small mind it's likely the platforms fault. Stay classy.

exfatal4034d ago

wow you my friend are ridiculous, really a good time to bring in console wars? fuck man grow up

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kparks4034d ago

Whats wrong with giving a child a gun i was prolly 4 the first time i shot a gun, 6 when i shot my first deer with my dad, 8 when i got my first 20gauge and my dad got a pistol when i was 12 and i used to shoot that all the time by myself i had a key to our gun room and everything now im 23 and own several guns.. Its not the kid having a gun thats the problem its the kids obviously fucking crazy! Its actually safer to introduce kids to guns at a younger age but most people will put and should put a trigger lock on weapons and if the kid wants it they can ask and so on.. Im tired of hearing all this gun BS or its the parents fault the kid was crazy if he didnt have a gun he would of just used a knife or something else!

IAmLee4034d ago

And this is why Call Of Duty should never have been made..

ThichQuangDuck4034d ago

I feel as a game designer and a human being really I should comment on this. I make video games right? I make worlds right? So I am liable for what the person does fully. Not necessarily when making a game I realize that I am taking the responsibility of telling someone exactly what they must do to "complete the game" or get full enjoyment out of their purchase. Why a 13 year old was given Call of Duty and a Gun is beyond me. Do videogames build murderers? Am I constructing the killers of the future? No I am not some may believe themselves to be a factor,but media is not to blame for the reality of the violence in our society. Wars, Murders, Genocide all exist and have for countless years and stem from a lack of empathy for others. Rest in Peace to the mom. May our society at some point evolve to one that does truly cares for each other enough to not utilize violence.

Some think us game deigners or any artist is a cult leader with blind followers who do everything they do. We are conscious of what we are making.

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Shnazzyone4034d ago

The real lesson, never leave a loaded .22 rugar lying on the couch when you take away your kids videogames... as for the attempted rape... I don't think there's any explanation for that.

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P_Bomb4035d ago

omfgwtf

just, i don't even...

Thatguy-3104035d ago

Individuals like him shouldn't be able to play games like Cod and why on earth would his parents get him a gun O.o?

excaliburps4035d ago

Same here. Who on earth gives their kid a gun??!

ColinZeal4035d ago

Piers Morgan will, if he already hasn´t, go apeshit over this.

TKCMuzzer4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Give your kid a gun and let them play mature rated games with guns in them, makes you wonder sometimes........

kneon4035d ago

It really depends on the kid, it's not necessarily a fact that all kids can't handle it.

I have a friend who is heavily into competitive shooting and hunting and has a couple hundred guns. His kids have been shooting since they were old enough to hold a gun.

But the guns are not easy to get at. Every gun is in a gun safe, which is in a locked room. In addition every gun has either a trigger lock or is partially disassembled with the parts in separate locked safes. Ammo is stored in yet a different safe in a different room. There is just no way for someone to get a gun and load it without a lot of effort. By then most people will have had time to cool down.

And needless to say the kids don't have access to anything. They are allowed to shoot only while supervised and they have been trained in gun safety.

TKCMuzzer4034d ago

@kneon
Kids are kids, they are not legally adults,they take no responsibility for their actions until a certain age and there fore should not be aloud access to guns, supervised or not. In a world where you have to be a certain age to smoke, drive and even drink the fact that this kids dad could buy him a gun is a big failing in any lawful country.
Your friends kids may not be able to get to the guns but what they will be is well trained in fire arms, there fore possibly making them even more dangerous if they wish.
The idea of putting age limits on things is to try and teach children that responsibility comes with age. Children should be playing sports and building tree houses and having fun, not learning how to become a more effective killer. Kids are growing up learning about these weapons to early and with access, then when one of them walks into a cinema and kills loads of innocent people, America turns around and says "why did this happen?".......

Qrphe4035d ago

Awful parenting plain and simple. I'm sure the kid had already displayed huge anger problems to begin with the parent/s chose to ignore.

NBT914035d ago

Giving guns as gifts is actually a thing in America.
And well, there is no age restriction.
Plenty of people not just in America, let their kids play COD.

I'm not trying to defend America's bizarre gun culture, I'm just saying it is what it is.

wolokowoh4035d ago

Something is obviously deeply wrong with this kid. Maybe it's bad parenting, other negative influence, or a genetically inherited condition. I'd like to say it's not a problem to give someone a gun for a birthday if you restrict access to it for certain things and make sure they know when and why to use it. I took my seven year niece hunting without incident. I sure as hell took every precaution reasonably possible but nothing ever went wrong. The main thing I was worried about was self-injury of course. The kid loves hunting yet doesn't have a psychotic fascination with killing things. How is this possible? It's a combination of good parenting on my brother and his wife's side and myself setting the best, most responsible example I could.

Most "M rated games" are also not that bad, especially COD. I was playing God of War on launch day when I just turned thirteen. Way more violent and sexual content in that game, yet I didn't try to rape or kill someone. The game is also quite "addicting" in the sense it was fun enough that I played it dozens of times. However I was never obsessed and obsession seems to be key here. Unlike suicide indicators, the signs of obsession are fairly obvious ones if you're paying as much attention as you should. Violent media has been present in my life since early childhood but nothing affected me so why should I believe it alone can cause a heinous act. I believe guns and violent media simply can't screw you up when put in proper context. Maybe it makes you temporarily slightly more aggressive but many things do including sports or any competition. If you just had the most happy experience in your life, you'll temporarily perceive all things more positively.

Snookies124035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Um, no. Giving guns as a gift is not a thing in America. At least not where I live.

I like guns, I like shooting them at the range. I will most likely own a gun at some point. However, no one under the age of at LEAST 18 should ever be able to touch a gun period. It's not a toy, it's not 'cool', it's dangerous. You have to know what you're doing when handling one.

Really, as much as I don't like Call of Duty, that's not at fault here. It's the parents who decided it would be a good idea to give this kid a gun.

Imalwaysright4035d ago

Is it legal to give a child a gun in the US?

LakerGamerEnthusiast4034d ago

hmmm.... The mom noticed how great and amazing he was playing on CoD? so decided, "He can control a gun"

Nah, im just messing. this is sad.. I can't imagine going through such anger and remorse afterwards doing this to my own mom... no bad Relationship or Addiction for a game should lead to this.

I would seriously go into a deep depression knowing what my mom did for me earlier that day(Homemade Doughnuts) and ending it like this. would be extremely difficult to recover from.

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LOGICWINS4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

I understand why he felt he needed to kill the mother due to his unnatural attachment to the game, but the fact that he tried to rape her is interesting to say the least. It seems like he didn't even know why he wanted to rape her but did it instinctively.

Things like this are proof that Freud's Oedipus complex theory is no joke. Deep down in his unconscious that kid had desires for his mom. It was the mental anguish that he couldn't play COD anymore that brought those desires to the forefront of his mind, thus resulting in him a acting out the deed.

Gazondaily4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

I wouldn't say that this incident proves Freud's Oedipus Complex to have substance. This kind of incident is a rarity and his actions/ mentality will most likely be attributed to his ‘intermittent explosive disorder’.

In any case, shoddy excuses for tabloids such as the Daily Mail will no doubt use this serious and disturbing incident to sensationalise their agenda with regard to gaming which they have done so many times before.

LOGICWINS4035d ago

Right. His disorder was the chief cause of his outburst. The mother's death was her own doing. If you know your kid has this a temper, why are you giving him a gun at 11 years old? Just stupid.

Gazondaily4035d ago

*shrugs shoulders* I think the real issue here is gun control. Here in the UK, the zeal with which Americans hold on to their so-called right to bear arms seems really odd to us.

Is it really a necessity? I'm not saying that it is or isn't but we look at the likes of the NRA and the passion with which many Americans defend bearing arms and we just don't get it. Well I don't.

DarkBlood4035d ago

But isn't that what america was founded upon *rights to bear arm* or did i read thier history all wrong?

SirBradders4035d ago

@septic its just part of their culture its been their right for so long its hard to change things like that overnight. You give someone something and its not nice to take it away and to start to rid america of guns will cause uproar and potentially cause a civil war.

Gazondaily4035d ago

@sirbradders

Yeah I think you're right. I'm sure it is a complicated argument and I'm not even going to begin to pick a 'side' because it isn't a black and white discussion.

Watching the documentary Bowling for Columbine however, I noticed that it seems to be a case of the culture as opposed to the presence of weapons itself that was an issue. Canada seemed to have similar gun laws but significantly lower gun crime.

Why o why4035d ago

So true septic. The right to bare arms just seems so odd after all the crimes and accidents that happen due to the same constitutional right. Im also with you on the daily mail....tossers, sorry.

It's part of the culture so un-programming would take decades. Fascinating topic form an outsiders perspective. Polarizes people across the globe.

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-Gespenst-4035d ago

Freud's ideas just struck a chord with people because of how coherent a NARRATIVE they made, not because of how accurately they described reality. Think of it like writing a story and getting carried away writing mythologies and character backgrounds and other voluminous details. It's like writing an alternate VERSION of the world you actually live in. The fact of the matter is that the mind is far more complex than a psychoanalyst would allow. You can't reduce everything to sexual desire and violence. Not only is it completely untrue, but it breeds dangerous ideological usages.

LOGICWINS4035d ago

"Freud's ideas just struck a chord with people because of how coherent a NARRATIVE they made, not because of how accurately they described reality."

Prove it.

"Not only is it completely untrue, but it breeds dangerous ideological usages."

Again. Where is your proof? I can agree that I might have taken this too far. This ONE incident along with many scattered incidents in history can't prove that Freud's theory is true for everyone. What we DO know for certain is that incest between children/parents DOES occur, but it doesn't happen in a large enough frequency to prove anything.

Still, assuming this is true for everyone, this "desire" is buried VERY deep in the unconscious. Even if it was there, 99% of people(including myself) would be too afraid to attempt to explore it.

wolokowoh4035d ago

@LOGICWINS Freud's ideas are not falsifiable. They're also so general and vague they could applied anyone. Jung's ideas while not perfect are far more applicable to a general population. The Oedipus complex is one of many in his theory and not everyone develops it. There's also the complex known as "the shadow". Freud also simplified instincts too much into life instincts and aggressive instincts. While Freud had some great ideas, they are more in the vain of hermeneutics than science.

Heisenburger4035d ago

Really? It's interesting to you?

To me it's disgusting and repulsive. The last thing I want to do is sit and think about it.

That sh*t you're doing is not a natiral human reaction.

At least show some remorse or sympathy. Jesus.

DarkBlood4035d ago

We can't keep looking at this at a primitive level for the rest of our lives sir.

LOGICWINS4035d ago

Ever heard of a criminologist or psychotherapist? These people WILLINGLY attempt to get into the minds of killers, rapists, and troubled youths in order figure out what caused them to snap as a precedent for avoiding future crimes and/or situations like the ones in these articles.

Ever heard of True Crime authors?

Have you ever seen a Quentin Tarantino or Martin Scorsese movie?

Just because your interested in macabre things doesn't mean you condone them.

ThyMagicSword4035d ago

Your logic sucks as much as this story, who cares about what freud said, a person who lived almost hundred years ago, things change faster than you can think ... just look at all "milf hunters" on the internet today, or should I say motherfuck3rs? That happens when you feed your mind with mindless BS ...cannot stop laughing, how pathetic ...

LOGICWINS4035d ago

"Your logic sucks as much as this story, who cares about what freud said, a person who lived almost hundred years ago, things change faster than you can think"

So what if someone said it "a hundred years ago"? Ever heard of the Pythagorean Theorem, Newton's law of gravitation, or Einstein's Theory of Relativity? Do you have any idea where we would be today without these formulas from a hundred(or more) years ago?

Imalwaysright4035d ago

You're talking about laws of physics which are universal and immutable. Society on the other hand keeps changing and evolving or de-evolving, depending on how you look at it so you're comparing apples to oranges.

DangerouslyJack4035d ago

The fact that at no point during that ridiculous rant you even gave the SLIGHTEST hint of compassion really shows how much of a sick puppy you are.

I'm honestly flabbergasted.

There is nothing wrong with trying to break down something terrible and try to figure out what went wrong.

But you just rub me the wrong way.

I guess there's no room for soul in that big smart brain of yours, huh?

Absolutely sad.

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Ashunderfire864035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Him admitting that he was on psychiatric drugs proves that it reinforce him to try to rape his, but it made him kill his mom. This is a bombshell of proof that psychiatric drugs cause many murders like this. It's not the game, it's not the gun that his mom bought him, but the drugs as to blame. This is bizarre.

Pozzle4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Is this a satirical comment?

How does one kid with a possible mental disorder (who doesn't seem to be on any medication at all, since the article doesn't mention them) prove that medication for mental illnesses cause many murders? How is this a "bombshell of proof" that there is a connection between medication and murders at all?

Not to mention, comments like that only perpetuate the stigma and negative (often dangerous) stereotypes that surround psychiatry, medication and people with mental illness.

Ashunderfire864034d ago (Edited 4034d ago )

He had some form of ADD man!!! He was definitely on meds. I had ADD and they gave me ritalin, and its a good thing my mom eventually stop me from using it. It is a bad drug comparable to crack and etc. This kid might of been on these meds. Tell me what other kid had a bizarre case like this?

"Not to mention, comments like that only perpetuate the stigma and negative (often dangerous) stereotypes that surround psychiatry, medication and people with mental illness."

You say stereotype when these companies are making millions labeling almost everything a disorder? Just look at their latest edition DSM book, it has more pages than the bible, and it's nothing but crap they made up in meetings. did you know that they label homosexuality as a disorder? They recently took it down for politic reasons. There is a reason why man of these bizarre violence happen and the drugs are the main source. Even my New Jersey governor admitted a lady chop the heads off her two kids due to drugs(Sad story)!!!! As a matter of fact here is a great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Pozzle4034d ago

The kid said he THINKS he has some form of ADD. Nowhere in the article does it state he has been diagnosed with it, let alone indicate that he's on medication.

Also, your own anecdote is not proof that ritalin (or any other psychiatric drug) doesn't work, let alone potentially cause murders. Different people respond differently to different drugs. To imply that your story is somehow applicable to all people on ritalin IS perpetuating a stigma, because you are ignoring the good that those drugs do for many people around the world. Not to mention, putting the blame on pharmaceutical companies for the murder, instead of blaming THE MURDERER WHO KILLED HIS OWN MOTHER OVER A VIDEO GAME. The same thing happens with video games. Instead of blaming murderers for murdering, politicians and the media blame video game companies for "corrupting the children" and turning them into killers.

Maybe the reason there is a supposed link between psychiatric drugs and murder is because the people on those drugs are mentally ill. People with healthy minds don't need to be medicated. Though I suppose it's easier for people to blame big pharmaceutical companies than it is to admit that a child might be a crazy, murdering asshole.

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Elda1d 22h ago

Most folks that have a Gamepass subscription will not spend the $70, they will use Gamepass instead to play COD. MS will most likely make their money from some solely PC players & some solely PS5 owners. Even some PC players may opt to use Gamepass instead of spending $70. I would think MS would want to make every dime they could from retail sales. As long as they put new releases of COD day one on Gamepass, MS will lose out on some sales of COD.

porkChop1d 20h ago

COD makes truck loads of money on microtransactions. That's likely the play. Get more people in the door through Game Pass and sell more microtransactions. Have a steady stream of events to keep people interested so they keep their sub, and then just the sub alone would double the revenue from that player each year.

Elda1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Buying the game at $70 a pop including the deluxe versions is much better than people subs for a dollar to $15 a month. Die hard fans that usually buy the game also buy into the transactions. Again putting any new COD day one on Gamepass is definitely a sure loss of making some retail money for every copy of COD. With the last iteration of COD being bad most likely people are going to sub to Gamepass to play COD basically saving themselves $70, that is a loss of retail sales.

Kakashi Hatake1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Most that don't have Gamepass will just buy the game and he done with it. People that do will just result in a retail sale being lost. Some will buy the subscription for the month then be done. This is lose lose. Casuals aren't going to pay almost 300 dollars a year for COD.

ApocalypseShadow1d 17h ago

The reality is that Microsoft already knows the answer as stated by them in their documents. PlayStation gamers have built up an ecosystem of games and they aren't migrating over and dropping what they have to buy an Xbox to play one game in a service you have to pay monthly for. Cheaper to just buy the game. And, I'd bet many casual COD players don't know or care about the acquisition.

Which is why Jim Ryan pushed to make sure that that one game continues to be sold as usual on Sony's platform to keep the status quo. Every other IP owned by Activision are worthless. And Activision has shown they don't care about other IP like Tony Hawk by cancelling them.

Sales WILL be lost on Xbox. That's for certain. Microsoft can only hope that Xbox gamers continue to buy up those micro transactions to make up for those lost sales. Only positive for Microsoft is that they get to dip into PlayStation game sales that we all know from history and NPD, that Sony's console sells more games. But increase subs from Sony fans for game pass? Not happening in any way that matters.

Sony, on the other hand, can have their cake and eat it too. They get COD and they can continue dropping more content for their fastest selling GaaS game which is Hell Divers 2. As the game passes 12 million sales and doesn't beat you over the head with micro transactions, Sony has a win win situation and can support the game getting more content to keep players engaged.

As a side note, COD is probably going to turn into some version of Sea of Fortnite Duty. Games as a service sitting in game pass being milked dry with micro transactions and constant updates making you feel you're playing an unfinished game that keeps going and going with no soul.

Tedakin1d 16h ago

I'm not sure why everyone is acting like COD is a surprise. That was always the plan. They said in court during the FTC case they were doing this. They have said repeatedly and recently all first party games are going to Gamepass.

badboyz091d 9h ago

gamepass like PS Plus are rental services. Games like COD you buy not rent. So in my case unless I plan on keeping gamepass for 2yrs minimum than the benefit of adding cod is pointless.

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peppeaccardo1d 21h ago

Throwing bananas at the monkeys' cage.

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Jin_Sakai4d ago

And so it begins. Game Pass days are over.

ThinkThink4d ago

How come? Because there's a rumor of adding an additional tier?

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

CoD is just a way of raising the prices and pushing people into paying more for Game Pass. It’s losing its value and the day 1 first party games aren’t really worth it anymore.

purple1013d ago

yes, because people were sold on the promise of one price, activision games included, now they want another whole tier to include cod,

not what people initially brought into, (well gamepass had many subs even before Activision, but you get my point)

So, One more lie, to add to the stack of lies, perpetrated by these scumbags,

jin_sakai probably think this ones the nail in the coffin, id tend to agree

Cacabunga3d ago

Sony better take notes and rethink their future plans.

this really couldn’t get worse..

peppeaccardo2d ago

If you pay attention to the target audience of this so called gaming service it all starts making sense and MS is doing exactly what they r supposed to do to get their money back ... if you really understand the reasoning of the lower side of the spectrum of the cod players MS has found its gold vein ... we r in business territory as entertainment is long deceased on the MS vocabulary.

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Hofstaderman3d ago

Best deal in gaming??? We think not.

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GamerRN2d ago

So you probably don't like all three tiers of PSN either.

notachance3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

If they’re as stupid as to make it more than $5/month increase from the highest tier I’d laugh my ass off.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

That would be a way of getting to say they kept the promise of all games on GamePass without cannibalizing their sales

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GamerRN2d ago

Isn't there an 8 dollar difference between bottom and top tier PSN?

Bathyj3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Making gamepass worse value by making it more expensive, as well as CoD losing Xbox sales and PlayStation gamers will want it less if Xbox gamers are getting it for "free".

Takes real talent to damage 2 things with one move.

Chocoburger3d ago

Call of Duty needs to be taken down a notch, its too popular for its own damn good. So yeah, it seems like MS is going to help make that happen. So good job, I guess?

crazyCoconuts3d ago

If they price it so high that people won't want it, they won't sign up so MS won't lose out on sales. Not all of those bad things will happen, just some of them

PhillyDonJawn3d ago

Really? You think CoD on PS would sell less cause Xbox gamers get access thru gamepass? I doubt that. COD fanbase is huge they're gonna play where they want to play and not care how the next person got it

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Notellin3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I ended my subscription right around when they announced the purchase of Activision/Blizzard.

No offense but I'm not paying a subscription fee to get the worst 3rd party publishers games for free. It's like paying a monthly fee to only eat at Chili's or Applebee's while everyone else is having all the amazing food.

My hope was Gamepass would bring more games like Grounded or Hi-Fi Rush. We have all seen how that's going.

I'll never spend another dollar on an Xbox service ever again after the recent studio closures. I've defended them on here and elsewhere but they don't deserve any trust from any consumer at this point.

PhillyDonJawn3d ago

I understand your feelings but your analogy made no sense lol

VariantAEC1d 16h ago

Never eaten at Chilis or Applebees... are they really that bad?

Notellin1d 2h ago

@PhillyDonJawn

It makes perfect sense and I can't figure out how you are unable to comprehend the words.

S2Killinit3d ago

And soon you will have the option to opt for the Sports package, but if you want sports you also need to pay for the weather package.

As Ive said since this thing was introduced. Prepare to get nickel and dimed.

PhillyDonJawn3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They do that that'll be the end of them. They're not that crazy. Only way that would work is if you could build a game pass package $5 sports, $5 shooter, $5 rpg, etc. But even then it's bad business for MS cause ppl that only play sports and shooters would get it cheaper compared to an all game bundle and they'd lose money.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

@Jin Sakai
But you're totally fine with paying for psn with no day 1, 1st party...

crazyCoconuts3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

The PSN essential value you get with base online access is unparalleled, puts Xbox core to shame. The PSN extra package however seems to be diminishing in value as it probably should. With any luck we'll have people buying their frickin games again as these sub services lose popularity

PhillyDonJawn3d ago

@Coconut not gonna lie I wanna start buying games again lol. (I do but not day 1 releases) I still feel bad for not buying Ori 2. Had it not release day 1 on GP I would've bought. So if they move day 1 titles to a new tier (which I'm not subbing to) I'd buy the games I really want day 1. While the ones I want to play but not badly I'd wait til it's available on the lower tier to play.

lodossrage3d ago

@InUrFoxHole

oh come on, There was a time Xbox fans were ok with just paying for the right to play online without getting anything for it.

ironmonkey2d ago

He's fine with paying for better games. Xbox ain't got it. Redfall day one enjoy....

InUrFoxHole2d ago

@lodossrage
And here both xbox and and sony fans pay still pay for online

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1Victor3d ago

@Jin by Microsoft standards another $10 should do the trick🤦🏿

PhillyDonJawn3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Nah I disagree, the value of GP has been crazy they were screwing themselves for quick subscriber gain. I always felt the day 1 releases would eventually stop and they only did it to get ppl to sub faster. That's why it quickly surpassed PS sub. Now that they hit a ceiling and picked up Activision they can only A. Take away the day 1 releases and hope the sub count remain or B. Increase the cost and hope they keep the sub count. Seem they went with
C. Add a new tier which is likely a mix of A and B.
If the new tier is only Activision games and they leave ultimate alone I'll be happy. I don't play COD so

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SPEAKxTHExTRUTH2d ago

Did you say that when Sony raised the price of PS+ and didn’t offer anything to justify the increase? I doubt it…

Chevalier2d ago

Yeah and Xbox tried to DOUBLE the price of Gold remember?

badkolo2d ago

if they add more top tier games , more value and charge more for this tier, cool thats just normal business and an option for its users. how does that affect you or us in any way. there is still a cheap option and so on. and yea over time we did expect it to eventually go up a few bucks. every other company has but now its a problem when ms does it?

jeromeface2d ago

anyone who thought microsoft was a good idea for leading the industry into a period of better games doesn't know Microsoft...

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gold_drake3d ago

gotta make back that money somehow. but its definitely a scummy move before cod comes to gamepass haha.

Tacoboto3d ago

Similar kind of thing happened back when Starfield came out.

The dollar new accounts for a month, trials, various promotions kinda dried up as they finally had a big game coming, following a price hike in July. But reception was eh.

And they haven't delivered on letting us cloud stream our owned library yet either.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

I think you're hitting on the core issue with Starfield. All of this breaks down of they can't make good games. Whether you're leasing or selling to one platform or multiple, the games gotta be good. That's the thing that's absolutely bonkers about this whole thing: making good games has been Microsoft's Achilles heel for many years now

mrcatastropheAF3d ago

Where did they promise allowing you to cloud stream your owned library? Lol anything downloaded to your console you can play remotely anywhere. Don't recall them making that promise.

New tier for gamepass solely due yo call of duty is a garbage move though. They keep shooting themselves in the foot

Tacoboto2d ago

@catastrophe

They said it June 2022

https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

"We’re excited to share that later this year, it’s our intent to roll out the ability for Xbox Game Pass Ultimate members to play, from the cloud, select games they already own or have purchased outside the Xbox Game Pass library."

LG_Fox_Brazil3d ago

It doesn't surprise me, it's very clear that MS is trying as hard as possible to recover all the money spent on Activision and Bethesda, they will do whatever they can, doesn't matter if people will like ir or not, as long as the higher ups see money arriving, it's all fair game

Profchaos3d ago

Pretty much Xbox wrote a cheque that Microsoft can't cash.
Inflated metrics egos and a belief that they could get the casual gamer playing hardcore titles via cloud on mobiles really lead them to belive they were in a better position than the reality.

I don't believe gamepass was ever that strong with many gamers likely signing up multiple fake emails for the dollar trials over and over boosting that count along with Xbox live gold hacks and other methods of getting gamepass for next to no money a month have been well known and exploited for years.

Microsoft have a belief that everyone's grandma wants to play halo on a mobile if they could just reach them because they played Wii bowling once so they must want to play halo

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Oof this is Microsofts grand plan?

Fishy Fingers3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

While a rumour cant say Id be surprised if true.

Certain other subscription services I sub to have increased in price while adding nothing and we expect theyre potentially offering up the biggest game of every year and its back catalog for "free"?

But I'd happily skip it if there are options (or upgrade for a month for the campaign)

Outside_ofthe_Box3d ago

People expect the price of games to stay the same forever so why wouldn't they expect the same for subscription services?

Crows903d ago

Price increases are fine. As long as they make sense. Games at 60 was a good price point. Things don't have to go up in price just because.

I used to buy some games at 60...how many do I buy at 70? None. It's a loss for the industry. The higher the price the likelihood sales won't be as high. For $10 more they lost $60.

Same thing with subscriptions. As long as it's affordable people will set it and forget it. If it stops being affordable people will be more picky...so a price increase of $5 could net them a loss of millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box3d ago

Let's be honest, nobody wants prices to increase. I personally have always thought that $40 was the perfect price and never liked it when they increased it to $50 for the PS2 generation and then $60 for the PS3. The $60 price did hold on for a good while though.

Same with sub services. The whole appeal is 'the best deal in gaming' mantra people love to chant, but we all know that they will increase the price eventually especially if they are putting CoD that will actually sell a ton even at that $70 price point.

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