Another PS3 Game With Mandatory 5GB Install?

Kotaku writes:

"And it's...Hot shots golf 5. Really? Hot Shots Golf 5? Look, small mandatory installs, those are fine. We've had plenty of those before. And with a game like Devil May Cry 4, you can understand a developer wanting to get the most out of the hardware (even if they should have given us the option of an install)."

[Jack Bauer]

im not liking this trend...its why i dont play PC games, i dont like installing games, i dont mind load times, i wish they would be optional.

[zambrota]

eg in RR7 there was installation too but that was OPTIONAL TOO

same goes to MG ---It is rumoured to have an installation WHICH IS OPTIONAL

[Martini]

Why are you yelling ?

[mikeslemonade]

I never understood why would this be considered a negative. The developeprs can develop knowing that every PS3 has a hardrive and they don't have to work as hard making the game stream the most efficient way from the disc. I mean it's 20 minutes if you're really that uptight about having your games ready to play then you got a problem.

Uncharted, game with no load times after the initial one, doesn't have this large of install because the developers chose to do the more efficient way because they're probably more skilled, have more man power, and more tech savy with the PS3. Smaller developers like Japan Studio have the option use the HDD with large install and get by to make a good game.

[BobDog]

@ above, i totally i agree with you, games can be so much greater if the developers develop with a hd in mind....

but this is hot shot golf, seriously look at the game, im sure they could compress the hold game to <500 meg if they wanted to

[InMyOpinion]

I'm not sure it's a trend. This game is pretty old, I think it was released in Japan as a launch game. No idea what took it so long to be released over here.

[mikeslemonade]

Why does it matter what game it is? If the developers need to use it then let them. The developers who chose to use 5 gigs aren't taking advantage of the system like Naughty Dog and Insomniac, but if they want to use to make the game work then freaking let them. 20 minutes isn't a long time and i'm probably the most impatient person that I know. It's a one time install.

[ravinash]

If dev know whats good for their game, they'd better not force you to install anything over a Gig.
This will shorten the time the game will be on your system as when people run out of space for their new games, the old games that take up a large amount of space are the first things to go.
Imagine when MGS4 comes out and if it took up that much space...by this time my hard drive might be full of UT3 maps. So how do I make space...easy, I uninstall devil may cry4. now if I ever want to go back and play that again, it'll be a 20 min install...so I wouldn't do it any time soon.
If all I'm getting is faster load times for all this installing, then why not run it from the disk, or better still have the game use temp files on the hard drive which loads during game play.

[TeCh77]

It wasn't a Japanese launch title. The demo didn't come out in the Japanese store til last March.

[phony force slayer]

REAL TIME READING TIME FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[M_Prime]

The wii has pretty good loadtimes and no instal..

but 5 GB of instal for that.. and i was not aware PS3 needed to have games installed to play until this article. I mean how slow must the BLURAY be? I don't see 360 using installs (that i am aware of) and yeah 5GB for a golf game is kinda bad.. and do u still need the disk to play?

and for PC gaming installing is nothing bad, cause you can mod the games (usually) and usually no disk is needed. And we know PCs now usually come with MASSIVE storage.

Soon you won't be able to play all the game you want cause you will have to uninstall the old ones..

So who here thinks MGS will have to install ?

[zambrota]

Blu Ray has a constant DISC READ speed and the reading speed is faster than what the x360 dvd drive takes to read a DUAL LAYERED DVD disc.

The installation is made optional/mandatory when the Game is usually rushed . In a sense the installation causes data to stream MUCH FASTER which produces better texture and a MORE STABLE FRAMERATE.

even if MGS requires an install it is not bad. Atleast we would be installing for an ultra realistic game not a cartoon game

Go Play your wii rather than trolling the PS3 threads.

[xplosneer]

But Zambrota is partially right. The Read speed of a 2x BluRay(PS3 drive) is actually slightly faster than a x 16 DVD-9 Dual Layer (most Xbox 360 games). Which is why it's so weird that the PS3 gets all these installs. Maybe it's chocking in transfer pipelines, but I can't see where.

[Legion]

You are incorrect Zambrota... the Bluray 2X player that is used in the PS3 is not faster at reading then the 12X DVD system in the XBox 360. The PS3 has one of the lowest quality Bluray players on the market currently. And constant speed is only constant when the disc is spinning. Access time changes when the disc has to spin up to read, thus effecting the constant variable of the Bluray player. A Bluray movie is no issue. Constant rate with constant play. (still at the X2 speed limit though) A game Bluray is different due to it reading, stop, reading, stop... etc.

When Sony gets a better Bluray player into it's system then it might solve some issues it has. But until then they will have the bottle kneck that is the Bluray speed. This option of loading to the HDD was talked about a LONG time ago... and some said it would never come, and others harped it as a good thing. Little did they know it was going to take 20 minutes and 5 GB for each download! See below for an old conversation that discussed this issue with Oblivion title around the corner:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

And another showing the Bluray vs DVD speeds and fans marking it as a win without realizing their system was only a 2X Bluray.:

http://boardsus.playstation...

As you can see the Bluray 2X only meets the minimum level of the 12X DVD player. And the 12X DVD maximum nearly doubles it.

[Martini]

Why is it that developers duplicate the data on discs to help with the loading speeds on the PS3 if the BR drive is as fast as you make it sound it is ???

[DJ]

And has been done since the PS1 days, and is still done on the PS3 and 360; it simply decreases the amount of time the laser needs to travel to start loading up data that it needs.

Also, the Blu-ray speed info is completely wrong. 2x Blu-ray, on average, actually reads data faster than a 12x DVD drive, especially when reading a dual-layer DVD drive. Blu-ray discs are read at a constant speed at every point of the disc, and on every layer. DVDs are only read at their theoretical peak speed at the outer corners of the disc; Dual-layer DVDs are read even slower.

[BobDog]

yes legion, get your facts straight

[Diselage]

Look at the charts he's provided. He is correct. Until Ble-ray makes the jump to 3x or 4x DVD is faster. Not their min. speed but their max. is. Come on guys comments are going to start going bye bye unless you can get links to argue with the only guy who has provided proof of the speed.

[solidt12]

Install is not required for all PS3 games you &$&*. DMC4 is the first one I have seen that required it. I don't think Hot Shot Golf should require it, thats strange.

Either way after to beat the game you could always delete the file, it will not mess up your game saves.

[ruibing]

Some developers can do it just fine without the installation, like Naughty Dog's Uncharted. But it's just an option that they have at their disposal to improve the gameplay experience since every PS3 come with this standard feature.

[lilwingman]

While I won't be buying this game, I don't see where the problem of a mandatory single-installation lies. If it makes the game run significantly smoother, with few-to-no load times, than I'm all for it. I'm not so socially inept that for 20 odd minutes I have absolutely nothing to do except whine.

[zambrota]

if the installation produces faster and more stable FR, better texture quality and less load times then why should we complain.

since every ps3 comes with an HDD

[Martini]

Zambrota quit the crap dude it's getting old, installing game data on HDD does nothing to improve frame rate or textures.

[Legion]

Actually it would improve the frame rate but not so much that it would serve as any huge advantage over a 12x DVD speed. But it would improve it over the slower speed of the Bluray. Lucky for PS3 users that they have the option to upgrade their HDDs looks like they are going to need it.

[Graphics by ATi]

Hey Legion, ever heard of VBR?

No?

Ever heard that Blu-ray reads at a constant rate from anywhere on a disc?

Ever discover that the 12X is only the THEORETICAL performance limit for the 360's DVD drive?

Did you ever take the chance to notice that with a Dual Layer DVD (which most 360 games are on), you are almost NEVER reaching 12X?

Just a little insight for ya' since you decided to quote 12X DVD as an advantage over Blu-ray.

[RoboChamp]

As if Hot Shots was even so popular for people to notice. It's been out in Japan with the install for months and NOW people think it's a trend?

[CaliGamer]

People are really impatient and just seek to turn everything into a negative. If you can't wait 10 or 20 minutes for a ONE TIME installation, then your parents seriously failed in your upbringing.

Its one time, and its how the PS3 functions depending on the game. I seriously doubt that any real gamer would allow a one time installation deter them, it will become the norm and fools such as the one that put this article together will find something else insignificant to complain about.

Sorry about the rant, but complaints about trivial SH!T just annoys me, especially when the inconvenience is one that occurs once in a blue moon. I'm sure that in any given day the average gamer waste more time than it would take to install anything on a PS3.

And just a note of caution for those 360 owners who want to gloat, if MS implements a policy where more often than not and HD is required you will have to endure this too.

[gEnKiE]

Is it really bothering people that bad to install a portion of the game on the HD? It's never been a problem for me atleast. You might as well figure hey, theirs a HD, use it. Waiting 20 min for DMC4 to install should'nt be an issue and if it is, you got problems...go get some fresh air while you wait. It'll be worth it.

[Imallvol7]

geez, everyone acts like this is the end of the world. JUst put it in and walk away. However, I don't mind this ONLY IF it improves stuff. However, if it just makes it equal to 360 version, then this is ridiculous.

[cmrbe]

If these installs means better graphics/frame rates/short load times then its ok BUT they must be optional. If all new PS3 games require installs then i will defiantly run out of HD Space this year.

[angel604]

oh god..countdown to mart or somebody else ranting about this for no reason

installs arent that bad people dont use up 60/80 gigs of save data/demos/videos anyway..at least i dont

[SSCOOLCHEA]

go take a dump , people that bitcl owns a 360 and people that dont bitcl owns a ps3.... strange , what gives ??? why should you xfarts even care ? if you dont have one it shouldnt bother you ... if you know the history about videogames its all about , wait and changes ...you want to go backward like the Fn WII or have a shilly system like the xbot ..Its time to go forward morons....

[phony force slayer]

you have got to install 5gb of data to play wii golf hahahahahah
why do you need to install that
i bet this game dosnt evan use 5 gig of storage on the disk
bottleneckstation3 lol
phony defence force battle fleet online
evan the sony fanboys see this as pointless what happened to the 25 gig storage on the disk
you have a go at dvd9 but you dont need to install games on the hdd because allmost all games fit on the dvd(there are a few exeptions i admit). but IT COMES ON BOO RAY. PLAY COMPUTER 3

[pwnsause]

oh god, here we go again, deja vu I've been in this place before!! (Initial D Music)

anyway way,last time we talked about this, it was about DMC4, I brought this game yesterday and it got installed on my Hard drive, now did I lose a leg or a arm when this happened, No. in fact it was the oppisate, I want you guys to compare the load times that DMC3 had to DMC4 with install, then come back to me, also compare the 360 version to PS3, its about a 3 second difference, you know what, its very worth it.

[Legion]

You might need to fix your stop watch?

[Skerj]

Yeah I was playing the Patapon demo which I had just got and watching TV while DMC4 was installing and you know what? It was over an hour before I even went back to finally play DMC4. Moral of the story? It happens once and if you find something else to do you'll forget all about the install.

[Legion]

Sorry to be graphic here but that is like saying... "Hey, I'll just watch some TV while someone cornholes me. And then afterwards I'll forget it even happened." Except for that big pain in your @SS! Face it, the system is screwing with you and all you can say is lets watch some TV?

Small downloads might not effect you that much. Small save files, add ons... blah,blah, blah. But when you eventually are saving 5 GB of data to your HDD for each major title then you are going to be facing more of an issue. Erasing data from the drive, data corruption, everything that PC lovers have been dealing with will be coming to the console world!

And with pear to pear UT file saves. Well, the limits have just been reached and virus makers are salivating on their next fix.

The SKy hasn't fallen yet... but chicken little has realized his world is a PC look alike and things aren't looking good.

[pwnsause]

Legion, thats why I can upgrade my hard drive whenever I want. BTW during that DMC4 install, I went to get some lunch. whats the big deal, nothing.

[DJ]

and the guy in front of me had his on reserve, but the 360 version. He actually asked the clerk if he could get the PS3 version instead, and I asked him why he was doing that. He told me to mind my own business, but after explaining he said it was 'cause he heard the loading was faster.

Never thought loading would sway dollars, but I guess I was wrong. Oh yeah, and Legion needs to stop spreading false information about DVD and Blu-ray specs.

[Skerj]

I have a 250gb hard drive in my PS3, a 5gb install would have been nothing on the original 60gb, much less now. Besides if I'm running out of space I can just delete stuff. OMG it's SO difficult to hit triangle on an item and delete it. How many times am I going to play old ass demos, especially after I buy the games? It's not like another system I know of that has a 20gb hard drive with only 13gb usable, and charges out the ass to get the higher capacity proprietary drive.

The installs are trivial as long as it's to the game's advantage. If I don't see any noticable gains then I'll be one of the ones slagging it. For now people are just complaining just to have something to complain about, because there have been games with mandatory installs before DMC4 and Hot Shots.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Nice Initial D.

[patterson]

I'm glad developers are making use of the hard drive.
That's why it's on every PS3!

[chrisin3]

Who cares about this petty stuff? You people act like whiny kids. A hard drive comes standard in all PS3s, so the Devs utilize it. Get over it. As if an installation is going to ruin your gaming experience and bring the world to a screeching halt . . . talk about sweating the small stuff.

[Gitaroo]

if installation mean no texture pop up like those Unreal Engine 3 games, then thats good. Otherwise it should be optional. Maybe alot of developers dont know how to optimized the load time for blu ray properly. Like DiRT, codemaster said they optimized the PS3 version for blu ray disc, so the PS3 version actually load 10-15% faster than on 360.

[Not the Face]

do i still need to wait twenty mins to play it? can i play other games while i wait? can i install ps2 games? can i say play stationary? hmmm

[pswi60]

wow...reading the comments section at kotaku, gamers are becoming little internet b1tch cryers. everyone is complaining about these installs that improve loading times/gameplay, and i don't see the big deal.

they are probably all 360 owners whos console is out for repair and they wanna find something to crybaby about

[DJ]

on installation, otherwise we might get devs trying to put 10GB installations down our throats. I understand that the PS3 version of DMC4 is a port of the PC version (thus the 5 gig installation), but dayum. Then again, I am LOVING the nonexistent loading between cinematics and gameplay. Going from area to area is just as fast as it should be. =]

[rushbd]

Give up Kotaku. You have no factual negative PS3 news now-a-days. so you just make it up?! you guys suck

[Bladestar]

This will be a trend for most PS3 games in the future... why because it's a lot easier to developer to deal with the loading issues...

Also, DJ... why are you calling Legion a lier? He provided articles to prove his argument... I can find lots of articles that show that the PS3 drive is not faster than a 12X DVD player(xbox 360)... and even if that wouldn't be the case the simple fact that blu-ray disc capacity is 3X or more than a DVD9... shouldn't be at least a 36X DVD player in term of speed?

Also, if the reading speed of the PS3 drive is not a problem... please educate me and tell me... why do developer need to do "data duplication" or hard drive installation tricks to improve loading time? you don't see any flaws on that? How would you feel if you were asked to install a blu-ray movie into the PS3 before you can watch it.... never in history consoles required games to be installed before playing them...

but hey to each it's own... at least PS3 fans are ok with this.... so, they don't have a problem.. then there is no problem...

Many people here speak of future proof and stuff... when it comes to the PS3... but as games grow bigger... and Sony released blu-ray disc with more capacity... how much more hard drive space are you going to need? 10GB... 1 hour installation? 20GB? To me... this proves that blu-ray weren't fast enough for things other than playing a movie... I'm sure when the next console is released and use a blu-ray drive... this installation nonsense will not be a requirement nor a workaround... instead the proper drive will be added with at least 6X blu-ray drive...

[BobDog]

blade star, a whole lot of games on ps3 use the disks to 25gigs (most likely because the developers are just too lazy to compact it, but thats not the point) , there is no install required for most of the games that big...

[Graphics by ATi]

Ok bladestar, you don't know the details of the drives in the PS3 or the 360.

Blu-ray reads data at the same rate across all parts of the disc.

DVD data is read at different rates depending where on the disc the data is located.

Also, Dual-layer DVDs (most 360 games) revolve at 2/3rds the RPM of single layer DVDs.

----"and even if that wouldn't be the case the simple fact that blu-ray disc capacity is 3X or more than a DVD9... shouldn't be at least a 36X DVD player in term of speed?" ----

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

A dual-layer BD (50GB) is 10 times larger than a single-layer DVD (4.7GB), and 5 times larger than a dual-layer DVD (9.4GB).

A little side note:

Disc capacity for Blu-ray means NOTHING for read speed, so don't try and compare it to DVD in that respect.

DVDs suffer from Variable read speeds due to RPM changes when reading from various areas of the disk. Blu-ray does not.

The whole DVD vs. Blu-ray argument is pointless and is argued in defense of DVD by people who think 12X DVD means 12X DVD at ALL TIMES, which it is not.

Read this, and maybe you'll come away enlightened:

http://www.ps3forums.com/ar...

And then check out this graph as well:

http://img25.imageshack.us/...

[azzam]

first of all i never saw any positive news of Ps3 in kokatu.
and second its not official news yet.
and how ever if this is true don't blame to bly ray or drive.
Check out the Uncharted.No installation required.
just wait for few months when devs will learn how to develop games for Ps3.
This is just fault of devs not of Ps3

[sak500]

Wow you sony droids dont even see anything wrong with your bottleneckstation. Every issue / problem of ps3, you turn it into something positive. WHy the hell are you glad that devs are using HDDs on ps3? For a game like this? What about poor chaps who picked up 20/40 or even 60 gb? How many games / videos / music can they store on it if with just 10 games you have 50gb taken away from the hard drive.

THINK CLEARLY....You guys seriously need some sort of brain implant.

Atleast for us, we know what problems 360 has and had and recognize it.

[Snukadaman]

Thanks.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Agree, they will run out of space and then have to uninstall to play new games and if they ever want to play that game again, well... It's like a constant install, uninstall shuffle, just to play a game. What ever happened to put the disc in and play? oh thats right the Wii and 360 are still doing that :) Can we say "Bottleneck"? and to top all this off, they still have 9yrs left of this and it's only going to get worse. It's like having the fastest engine in the world and putting in a Pinto with flat tires.

[spandexxking]

the "bottleneckstation" ha! even with the "BOTTLENECK" it can produce games like uncharted. at least the ps3 has the HDD space unlike the xbox. installs on the HDD are fine, it makes the games better. oh and you think clearly, how many times have you sent your box in for repair? your a blind MS tool.

[phony force slayer]

I HAVE 120GB HDD SO PHONYS THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE GOT ARCADE
BOTTLENECKSTATION3
UPLOAD BEYOND LOL

[BrianC6234]

What problem does the PS3 have? Oh yeah, the RROD that forces us to send it in for a repair. Oh, that's a 360 problem? I don't see any problems for the PS3 at all. It's great. Just a bunch of whiny pukes like you who for some reason love lousy Microsoft.

[snoopgg]

dosen't mean they go away. I mean everybody thinks xboxlive is great, well it sucks and I hate playing call of duty 4 on it these days. I had send two 360s back and that sucks, I see the problems with my 360, but they don't magically dissappear. So what if they have to install 5gb to play. Its not that big a deal. I also own a ps3 and really see this year being better for Sony. Sonys first party games are going to trump all over the 360's. Sad but true, at least I can see this and admit it. Sonys machine has way more potential at this point, and you will see it in 2008.

[tudors]

Lets's get this out of the way, 1st I like how the idiots have been seperated from the ones who want a grown up debate.

My opinion of this is simple, there is nothing negative about using the HDD for installs, the Blu-ray drive is not known to be fast, so to have the install option is a plus.

I prefer my Xbox-360 to the PS3 for a number of reasons but has a true gamer I welcome anything that improves the gaming, when I hear Burnout requires the HDD, to those who moan there is a reason why the Core as it was known is cheaper than the PRO or the Elite.

[The Wood]

I cant believe this is something to gripe about. I may feel pissed when my drive is full but even if i had the smallest hdd for my ps3 id figure something out (delete what im not playing). SOME people are just sounding desperate to knock aspects of the ps3. I personally don't feel that all xbox owners are enraged by using the hdd to install to just the vocal minority who NEVER have anything good to say anyway. SOME 360 owners seem to forget that devs want to use the hdd to better their games if only small aspects and would of preferred the 360 came with a hdd as standard. Most have worked around this and kudos to them you can see that nobody would of foreseen burnout p needing a hdd JUST for online aspects. If its there and using it is beneficial to the experience, use it

EDIT

you might be a touch misinformed about the BD drive speed though

[McValdemar]

I'm not against HDD installations, I'm against this PC-style that is ridicolous.
Ok, due to the fact that Sony had to bush her BD in PS3 we got a slow performing drive, so I understand this and accept HDD installation.

But PLEASE do as Xbox used to do it.
Trasparent, and make the system automatically remove the older ones.

With 5GB per install (and this is just the beginning with TWO "small games", what will be the future?
Sony used to say that BD is for games so, or they sayd bullshits or we'll be facing greater installations with games with a size of 20/25 GB.

And what they expect?
120 mins of installation??
At the half of the game "Please install disc 3" like Amiga times???
Install just a part so I play half the game with quick load (via HDD) and half with jerky load times (via BD)????

Thanks Sony for you PC-in-a-box. Great for movies, getting day by day worst for games.
:(

[SilPho]

Does anyone here know for a fact that this installation IS actually mandatory?

Does anyone here know if the installation means you no longer need the disk?

If either of these are true, then what are you complaining about?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The only way for PS3 gamers to continue to play games is to do an "install, uninstall shuffle" everytime they get somthing new. At 22 min for each install, going multi disc is just easer and "actualy" saves more time. I wonder how much the big Blu-Ray games like MGS4 will have to install? 20gb? I would be more than happy changing the disc 3 times, than have to wait an hour to install a game that makes little difference in loading times.

[Wraith001]

Well look, im not going to comment on things i don't know about regarding drive speed ect.

However i am a long time gamer, and this install trend has me worried. Not once in my life have i had to upgrade a console. For the rest of the fanboy PS3 owners who keep saying "get a bigger HDD, delete your old games blah blah blah" why the hell should i?

Do you people not play several games at a time? Like online games, and single player games? Guess not thats why the 360 has a bigger attach rate. But anyways my point is, when there are several killer apps out on the PS3 you will play them depending on what your taste is at the time.

With more and more games offering online multiplay and content this install business could be a real problem in the future. For those of you who own the 20gig model i feel for ya and maybe Sony knew this would become a trend and thats why they dropped it?

So before you all boo me of the stage let me make it clear that i am not goin on about the time it takes, merely the fact that Sony, knowing this would become a trend, should have made the 80gig the entry model.

[TheMART]

Damn! So how fast is that 40GB PS3 running out of space with games like this needing 5GB of space?

Nice! Putting a slow BetaBluRay drive in a console as the Trojan horse to push the own format and screw over the gamers that thought they bought a gaming device...

Wrong choice for gaming Sony, it's proven over and over again

[ravinash]

At lest we have a hard drive to use.

[Liquid Ocelot]

what are you smoking you do know that the format war is more or less won and part of why it won is because Sony put a Blu-ray drive in the PS3.

Also for the record 5GB is not much and if people run out of room all they have to do is upgrade they're hard drive which is very easy to do and cheap unlike the 360 where you have to pay a outrageous amount for a small hard drive.

It shows that Sony did the right thing by putting a hard drive as standard for all versions of the PS3 and by putting the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 and that will help them win the console war.

[ruibing]

First of all, the 360 would have this feature implemented too if only they provided a HDD with every console, but even then you are usually limited to 20GB unless you have an Elite. Take your multiplayer Burnout Paradise for example, can you play that on the 360 Arcade without needing to purchase an overly expensive HDD add-on?

Second, this is just a rumour for being a 5GB install. They are all features that developers have every right to implement to provide for a better gameplay experience. If this is the way you are going to target PS3 exclusives then it's a bit sad.

[angel604]

didnt take long for him to rant his mouth about a matter that doesnt involve him

what happened your 7th 360 broke or something

[snoopgg]

destroy Microsoft in 2008. Ha HA

[cputeq]

I really do think web sites post this to up their user hit-rating, because I see no other use for this "news".

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At first, I would have said this is a disturbing trend, but now I don't really care, and I think it's being blown way out of proportion.

My gut feeling is the 360's DVD drive is faster, overall, than BD-2x, but who cares? I much prefer the extremely quiet operation of my PS3 over my loud-as-a-jet 360's DVD drive.

I'm not here to argue that particular point - but there is no data I've found that actually compares drive performance in any tangible way, so I'm going off official DVD and BD Mbit/sec specs.

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Besides, the hard drive in the pS3 is *standard*. It's there so developers can use it!

What would be worse? I will tell you -- the hard drive being standard and NOBODY using it! Then you would have owner after owner griping about how they have a hard drive that never gets any developer love!
Personally I'd be pissed if they *weren't* using my hard drive for games.

Really, these large installs are only hurting 3 types of people:

1) The people that must play the game RIGHT THEN AND THERE when they open it up. Sorry, you have to wait...

2) The people that actively play more than like 8 games, simultaneously, that ALL have 5+GB installations....these people (if they have the 40gb) will need to either upgrade their HDD or remove a game.

3) The people that have filled up their internal drive with music / videos. To those people, I have to say, upgrade to external HDD or upgrade the internal HDD.

Otherwise...for everyone else that owns a PS3...it's a moot point. Enjoy the fast loading times, and less stress on your bluray drive because it's not being used as often.

Just my thoughts. Do I wish the installation was faster? Yes. But do I care I lose 5gb of data? No.

I must admit, it's a little surprising to see HOT SHOTS use 5gb...but admittedly this is an OLD Japanese release game, so perhaps the devs didn't know too much back then and took the "easy" way out instead of optimizing BD transfer rates while the game is played. Oh well, no biggy.

[Wraith001]

"Besides, the hard drive in the pS3 is *standard*. It's there so developers can use it!

What would be worse? I will tell you -- the hard drive being standard and NOBODY using it! Then you would have owner after owner griping about how they have a hard drive that never gets any developer love!
Personally I'd be pissed if they *weren't* using my hard drive for games."

I use it for, Demos, Movie Trailers, Music, Pictures, and soon im sure Movie downloads. I think Devs also use it for caching, profiles and save games.

"1) The people that must play the game RIGHT THEN AND THERE when they open it up. Sorry, you have to wait..."

I spend £45 on a game and cant wait to play it, i worked 6hrs to buy that game. That being said, im not to fussed about the install time, while irritating, its livable.

"2) The people that actively play more than like 8 games, simultaneously, that ALL have 5+GB installations....these people (if they have the 40gb) will need to either upgrade their HDD or remove a game"

I play Forza2, COD4, Halo3, LOTRME, PGR4, Mass Effect, DOA4, Blue Dragon, Chrome Hounds ect. I don't play them simultaneously, which was really a stupid comment, but, IF these were HDD install games i would be really peed of if i had to install delete every couple of days when my gaming interests changed.

"3) The people that have filled up their internal drive with music / videos. To those people, I have to say, upgrade to external HDD or upgrade the internal HDD."

Again why should i have to? Sony gave me the choice to do these things with my console out the box, now your telling me if i want to i cant use it to play games? I bought the 40gig model as, in lincoln, i couldn't find an 80gig model anywhere. I find the thought of upgrading
a console ridiculous and goes against my very reasons for giving up on PC games.

While it is not a problem at the moment, when there are more games that i want and presuming this install trend continues, it will be. You fanboys might not be bothered with upgrading your console, however i am not one, and will not support the idea of a console needing upgrades to play certain games and that goes for my 360. My PS3 will gather dust, and i will only use it for exclusives.

If this happens and continues into the next gen, i will give up and go back to PCs.

If you spent £400 on a 20gig when it came out, i think you would be getting mildly upset right now, and im not talking about fanboys on here, im talking about all the people who don't know this site exists in the real world and are currently installing there new copy of DMC4 and realizing that they need to get rid of some music, game/movie trailers and demos!

[kewlkat007]

Nobody answered..

Thought I agree 5 gigs is a bit much. Now can you play the game without the Original Disc in there or it needs the HDD "hand in hand" to work?

Another good point, what is the whole deal of having Blu-Ray and still installing games? I figured the 360 would be mandatory for DMC4 on the 360 but it is not...

If this is to make it play better why isn't it mandatory on the 360 is what I'm asking? Which is missing the space..Now this game?

A GOLFING GAME?
someone..

Oh yeah I'm getting this game anyways, addicted to the PSP version.

[forcefullpower]

They are only jealous that they don't have a HDD.

Difference is when you are swapping from discs 1 to disc 2 i won't be.
While you are sitting there and waste more that 2 to 3 hrs of load times between scenes. You think about that 20 min install.

You moron

[Liquid Ocelot]

Sorry double post.

[paracardium]

Makes the games run so much better graphically and quickly.That why i bought a 250 gig HD.If your concerned with space you can buy them pretty cheap anywhere and takes 10 minutes to install.

[otherZinc]

I play many games and when I switch from 3 different games to play online with the fellas, I don't want to wait for 20 minutes.

What about for the consumers that have the 20 gig, that's 4 games at 5gigs each.

[aftrdark21]

But I upgraded my drive to 120GB. Took only 5 mins and now I don't worry about installs. Got the HDD off Ebay for 55 bucks.

[Wraith001]

But wouldn't it of been nice to get it in the box of the shelf? Not have to worry till you found one on ebay?

[Wraith001]

I also meant to say that you have upgraded your future proof console, something not right there.

[ScottEFresh]

I don't get what people are complaining about either. There is PLENTY of room on my HDD with demos/installs/movies/music. Not like that piece of S*it proprietary HDD with the other console that has 11GB out of 20GB already used up on it. That 9GB getting you along ok Mart?

[kewlkat007]

needs 5 GIG install.....

Someone got some Explaining to do..?

PLUS we all know a PS3 or a 360 out the Box you do not automatically get the Gigs Advertised.

1 game, that's OK,
2 games, no problem
3 new trend, hells No!!

I wanna hear why this is a good thing? and Why it is mandatory?

I don't mind faster loading on games if it is from the HDD. Maybe consoles are becoming computers after all. But I see the issue with limited drive space for some users.

Some of us are never "effected". We hardcore gamers can install new drives and upgrade our consoles and such but not everyone will ever go that route or dare to try(easy as it may be).

On the other hand: This is nothing new this game has been out in Japan for a while. DMC 4, brought this in to light.

[xbox360migs]

consoles are not pc's and should not require the user to initially download 5gb to the hard drive to play a game, it's unheard of and sends alarm bells ringing in my my mind.
when I buy a console I want to fill the hard drive with movies, music or downloaded games, I would not expect and would be dissapointed to have that space filled with data just so I can play games that other consoles play right off the disc! with no real performance difference!

[avacadosnorkel]

I would rather install than have to change discs.

More than one disc for a game is lame

[Rusted]

I have a 60 gig. I don't want to install every freakin game in my system. Can i switch my HDD? yes, but i don't want to spend more money, At least not for now. 20 min to install DMC is ridiculous. Sorry but is the truth.

[angel604]

if you just stare at the screen it seems like an eternity..but in two weeks it wont even matter that you spent 20 minutes installing a game..people are really just impatient these days

[snoopgg]

THAT WHINE

[Salvadore]

I hope this doesn't become a trend.

[Rusted]

Im not bashing Sony, i love my system and i know it's not a big deal, but i don´t understand why we have to wait the install in our powerful PS3 and this is not necesary in the 360. Sorry but i don't swallow the loading time stuff and have to say Capcom failed us in this topic :S

[phony force slayer]

Real Time READING SPEED for Massive Damage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jay2]

Add GTA 4 to this list guys.

[wageslave]

Thought this is kinda funny, and learning that another game has a mandatory HD install, it is relevant here too.

You can get a copy here:
http://img227.imageshack.us...

[travelguy2k]

installs, but they should try to limit the size to like 2 - 3 gigs. 5 gigs is alot considering the avg. ps3 has 40 that would only give you the option to install 8 games at a time. I currently own 13 and 2008 is going to be a great year for games. Not to mention games off of the PSN, if you DL Warhawk and such games you would be limiting yourself tremendously.

All in all its not a hard fix though.

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

and you should not have any problems for quite some time.

[sephy 9 2 5]

DVD does not read at its theoretical max. Dual DVDs are even slower. The majority of 360 games are on a dual layered DVD.

Now on to the article, why does HSG 5 install more than games like UT3, HS, NGS, etc?

That doesn't make any sense.

[Gitaroo]

http://www.qj.net/Monster-H...

WOW! Capcom think all the PS owner loves installing or what? They even went as far as a PSP game.

[altimako02]

nobody

[xionpunk]

Kind of annoying but no big deal really. I hope this doesn't happen to a lot of games.

[googleguru]

Alright, so what happens in 2 years when games start taking up 10GB of space? I can hold what... 5 games on my PS3?

[akaFullMetal]

I dont see why its 5 gigs but then again, that sucks and its good, cause it helps the game out, but also takes the space, it should be smaller, but the developers should use the harddrives

[SpikeSpiegel]

This would be the second game out of how many PS3 games that require mandatory installs? So far this is not a trend or something people should worry themselves about.